Speaker 1: Uncertainty such a popular word in our world recently, one
Speaker 1: that reminds us that we never know what each new
Speaker 1: day brings. However, we do know that today brings hope
Speaker 1: that as we pull together apart, we can finally celebrate
Speaker 1: what the future holds. This weekend, two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: five dreams will come true as professional football welcomes in
Speaker 1: a new wave of talent. The NFL's Roaring twenties officially
Speaker 1: kick off tonight. It's the twenty twenty NFL Draft on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com. The following is a production of
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dallas Cowboys dot COM's live Bumper to Mumper
Speaker 1: coverage of the NFL Draft with David Hellman, Kevin Turner,
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, Cowboys coaches, draft picks, and special guests. Now
Speaker 1: your host, Kyle y Yeomans, And it is the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty INFL Draft here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. It
Speaker 1: looks a little bit different than drafts that we've had
Speaker 1: in the past. It's all virtual, all socially distant, and
Speaker 1: this is going to be a fun and interesting night
Speaker 1: to say the least as we get you ready for
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty five picks. We've got two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty five picks over the next three days. This
Speaker 1: is going to be incredible. Kyle Yeoman's, Dave Hellman, Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: and Kevin Turner all with you here for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Draft show. And Dave, you're looking very
Speaker 1: dapper this evening, even though you're socially distant and you're
Speaker 1: on your couch, You're looking great. Man. I have a
Speaker 1: tradition to uphold Kyle. I know this is your first
Speaker 1: go round, but on Thursday night we wear ties. So
Speaker 1: I'm in my living room instead of the studio. I
Speaker 1: don't care. I'm dapper, got my draft guy, got my TV,
Speaker 1: got my Miller Lite. I'm ready to pick some players.
Speaker 1: Let's do this thing. Bar ready, And of course we've
Speaker 1: got the great Dane Brugler in the house from the
Speaker 1: Athletic all the way from Ohio. Dane, so glad you're back.
Speaker 1: And it seems like a tradition in its own to
Speaker 1: have you as a part of some of the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft coverage. Tell you what at this time last
Speaker 1: year I thought it was going to be my final
Speaker 1: draft show and then pumping to you guys to combine
Speaker 1: and say let's do this, let's do this again, and
Speaker 1: then it just worked out perfectly. You know, I have
Speaker 1: just had this special relationship with Cowboys fans that started,
Speaker 1: you know, six seven years ago now, and I really
Speaker 1: enjoy talking draft with everybody. So this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a fun three days. Can't wait at with us today.
Speaker 1: He's the first round man. As always, Kat, it's not
Speaker 1: your first go round either, but it is wanted to remember,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. No, this is gonna be really exciting.
Speaker 1: And the fact that Dave wore a tie kind of
Speaker 1: embarrassment a little bit. But I get the sweet Draft
Speaker 1: show shirts. Yeah, sponsored by Miller Lite of course, there
Speaker 1: we go. So yeah, and I'm really excited picking in
Speaker 1: the middle again. That seems to happen almost every other
Speaker 1: year with the Cowboys kind of picking right there in
Speaker 1: the middle. But it's gonna be an exciting tonight. Not
Speaker 1: for many reasons. A lot of uncertainties, trades, miscommunications, perhaps,
Speaker 1: what are the Cowboys gonna do? What's the rest of
Speaker 1: the league gonna do? There's a lot of questions about
Speaker 1: this year, maybe maybe more so than any year that
Speaker 1: I can really remember. I think that's really kind of
Speaker 1: the intriguing part, and it kind of adds to the
Speaker 1: fun of draft night. I mean, what's so fun about
Speaker 1: the draft in the first place. It's the fact that
Speaker 1: there's uncertainty, there's that intrigue of things could go so
Speaker 1: terribly wrong. But at the same time, it gives you
Speaker 1: hope for the future. That's kind of that back and
Speaker 1: forth tuggle boar that you have with the NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: and then you throw in the wrench of what our
Speaker 1: society has had to deal with over the past couple
Speaker 1: of months. It adds to that as well, gives us
Speaker 1: a chance to take a break and to live a
Speaker 1: little bit in our sports teams like we would normally.
Speaker 1: And as it being my first draft to be with
Speaker 1: you guys, it's one that I'm never going to forget.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much about it. But I'm certainly
Speaker 1: ready to get into some of these prospects. And we've
Speaker 1: got the first thirty two picks today. Like ka team mentioned,
Speaker 1: picking in the middle of the first round, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: pick at seventeen. It should be right around nine o'clock
Speaker 1: just before nine o'clock is when the Cowboys would be
Speaker 1: making their pick. Will be all the way up through
Speaker 1: all thirty two picks today and then all two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty five over the course of the weekend. But Dane,
Speaker 1: you put out a mock draft today, your final mock draft,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys kind of, at least over the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, it's been interchangeable who they could go with.
Speaker 1: Who did you have with the Cowboys at seventeen in
Speaker 1: your final mock draft? Yeah, And it's tough because I
Speaker 1: think CJ. Anderson Florida is a player that they love
Speaker 1: to have and played on Chase On a pass rusher
Speaker 1: at LSU is a player I think they'd love to have.
Speaker 1: And it's tough to see one of those two guys following.
Speaker 1: But in my final lock, one of them big a
Speaker 1: player that obviously uh, Dave is very familiar with. Uh uh.
Speaker 1: This team added to pass Alden's man, uh, but they're
Speaker 1: not done. They're gonna still add some more pass rush
Speaker 1: talent and I think they can do that for a round.
Speaker 1: In Chase on follow the seventeen speed, off the edge, explosiveness,
Speaker 1: He's not a free to extend, convert that speed to
Speaker 1: power rock tackles into the batfields. Joe Burrow ladwords player,
Speaker 1: all those offensive playmakers at LSU had was a big
Speaker 1: part of why they won the national title was defensive dudes.
Speaker 1: We're gonna hear their name called tonight, SA LSU is
Speaker 1: can be pretty well represented and one of those guys
Speaker 1: could end up in Dallas in the first round. What
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Yeah, I mean I just
Speaker 1: have to embrace it. Like, obviously, everybody knows I got
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson over my shoulder right here. Everybody knows where
Speaker 1: I went to school, But I swear to God it
Speaker 1: really has nothing to do with the fact that I
Speaker 1: graduated from LSU. I mean, Dane's done enough drafts with me.
Speaker 1: I think he knows. You know, I'm not just a
Speaker 1: blind homer for LSU prospects. But when you think about
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys need where they're drafting, what this first
Speaker 1: round presents, I think Calevan Chason is about as best
Speaker 1: case scenario as you could add for c Jaerson would
Speaker 1: be amazing. I think that's a little of a pipe dream.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. We're gonna find out here in
Speaker 1: the next couple hours, but I think it's far more
Speaker 1: likely Chason is there for you at seventeen. And when
Speaker 1: you consider your other options, would they love a cornerback shirt?
Speaker 1: But his Chason have more upside than the other cornerbacks available.
Speaker 1: I think so. And that's why you know he's not
Speaker 1: a perfect prospect. He's definitely not bustproof, but there's so
Speaker 1: much upside and so much potential. I just think when
Speaker 1: you're picking in the back half of the round, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty best case scenario if he falls there for you.
Speaker 1: This is where the game gets really fun watching names
Speaker 1: come off the board, picking a guy that you like.
Speaker 1: If you're a Cowboys fan, you might have a couple
Speaker 1: of guys on your short list. It kind of maybe
Speaker 1: checking off who might be there. Well, four quarterbacks go
Speaker 1: before the Cowboys pick at seventeen. Does Miami end up
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback knowing that Miami picks at eighteen, that
Speaker 1: could be an interesting thing. If Miami doesn't take a
Speaker 1: quarterback at five, maybe they want quarterback at eighteen. Well,
Speaker 1: if you want to get ahead of Miami, you gotta
Speaker 1: call Dallas at seventeen to get ahead of them. So
Speaker 1: that opens up some possibilities as well. I think we're
Speaker 1: just in for quite a ride. This is gonna be
Speaker 1: terribly fascinating, not only from a Cowboys perspective, but from
Speaker 1: the rest of the league as well, because you're just
Speaker 1: looking at this and this can fall a number of
Speaker 1: different ways, especially right there and picks ten through twenty.
Speaker 1: I think, kind of intriguingly, going off of what you
Speaker 1: just said, Katie, it's not just the Cowboys to have
Speaker 1: a lot wide open. It really starts with the third, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth pick, and then so on and so forth. There's
Speaker 1: so many question marks going into this first round. What
Speaker 1: kind of scenarios, Dane, are we going to see kind
Speaker 1: of play out early on? This is the chaos is
Speaker 1: going to start at three. I think we feel pretty
Speaker 1: good about one, we feel pretty good about two, But
Speaker 1: then what's going to happen at three and risk some
Speaker 1: trade action. We're gonna see some different things happen, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see. You know, team mentioned
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. How many quarterbacks going to top six? We
Speaker 1: know Joe Burrows going one, but then what about Justin Herbert?
Speaker 1: What about two? Of what's going to happen with these quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: That's really going to I think, set the stage for
Speaker 1: the trades that are going to happen. And then the
Speaker 1: tackles are coming off the board. It's just there's a
Speaker 1: lot of dominoes in front of the Cowboys that really
Speaker 1: are going to make these things, make it interesting to
Speaker 1: see who falls. And then, like I said, teams are
Speaker 1: gonna be aggressive. I think, you know, the Broncos, the Falcons,
Speaker 1: the two teams right in front of the Cowboys at seventeen.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised at off we see both of
Speaker 1: those teams or at least one move up to go
Speaker 1: get a player they're looking at. I see a deal
Speaker 1: getting done Dave over the next couple of moments that
Speaker 1: could ultimately make a difference in that first top five
Speaker 1: before um wow, man, that would be intriguing. I mean, God,
Speaker 1: we've talked about the Dolphins and the Lions so much
Speaker 1: it's it's been beaten into the ground. U I think
Speaker 1: at this point we're fifteen minutes out. I mean, if
Speaker 1: something's gonna happen, unless I'm missing something live on Twitter,
Speaker 1: something's gonna happen. I feel like it'll happen when these
Speaker 1: teams go on the clock, I think it was gonna
Speaker 1: happen ahead of time. They could have ironed it out
Speaker 1: by now. I think typically when the bullets start flying
Speaker 1: is when these things kind of come together. It depends
Speaker 1: on like how many of those teams want to get
Speaker 1: aggressive there and move up, you know, Like I'm sure
Speaker 1: the Giants at four might be a team that might
Speaker 1: might want to get out of there a little bit
Speaker 1: and move back. Maybe even Detroit would want to move back. Perhaps,
Speaker 1: But if no one's really calling and knocking on the doors,
Speaker 1: like we've seen in years past, where there's been trade
Speaker 1: ups for guys like Mitch Drubisky, there's been trade ups
Speaker 1: for guys like Carson Wentz to get up to the
Speaker 1: top two. I mean, if there's not someone really knocking
Speaker 1: on the door to really go up to and what
Speaker 1: we assume would be TUA in that case we assume
Speaker 1: at quarterback, then you know, maybe there's not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to be much business done up top. And that's
Speaker 1: I think the business is going to be done. As
Speaker 1: Dane was alluding to a minute ago, Atlanta and Denver.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the range of teams that might want
Speaker 1: to move up a little bit and that's also kind
Speaker 1: of where it's where Dallas is sitting at seventeen. I
Speaker 1: think there's some interesting teams at the back end of
Speaker 1: the top ten. What's jackton Ville been in? Are they
Speaker 1: really gonna just roll out Gardner Minshoo next year and
Speaker 1: go for it? Like there's so many fascinating teams with
Speaker 1: so many decisions to make, And I just I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a lot of trades in a lot
Speaker 1: of chaos tonight. I think this is the worst year
Speaker 1: possible for that, given the circumstance stances of doing this
Speaker 1: virtually and social distancing. But I do feel like we're
Speaker 1: probably looking at five, six, seven trades tonight that could happen,
Speaker 1: and another bit of intrigue tonight and the overall weekend.
Speaker 1: And I know earlier today we were on Fox Sports
Speaker 1: Southwest for Cowboys Draft Day Insider, and Rob Phillips came
Speaker 1: out and said that he thinks that they're going to
Speaker 1: break the record for trades because you're sitting around on
Speaker 1: your phones and you're in your room, things could get
Speaker 1: a little bit nuts. I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 1: By no means do I foresee nineteen trades going on
Speaker 1: but how do you guys kind of see that happening
Speaker 1: with the technology, with the virtual side of this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Is there a possibility that trades are really kind of
Speaker 1: dialed back? I think you go either way. I think
Speaker 1: I think fans would be surprised how many trades are
Speaker 1: actually how many. The framework happened during the week before.
Speaker 1: That's when teams really have a chance to lay out
Speaker 1: what they're looking for. If player A is here, that's
Speaker 1: when we would possibly move up. I mean, all the
Speaker 1: groundwork has been laid, so it's not like I don't
Speaker 1: think that we're gonna have a scenario where teams are
Speaker 1: cut off guard, where okay, we're out of options, so
Speaker 1: let's get on the phone try to work a last
Speaker 1: minute deal. All the framework has been laid, so they
Speaker 1: know who could call. We're teams looking to move up,
Speaker 1: if they want to move up, who they can move
Speaker 1: up with. So you know, there's a lot of interesting
Speaker 1: teams that are willing to move And it starts three
Speaker 1: and four. The Lions and the Giants then really started
Speaker 1: to get interesting. I think the main the main headlines.
Speaker 1: I think in the top half of round one two,
Speaker 1: we're dego the tackles, how many tackles go top ten,
Speaker 1: top twelve. And in the trade action, I do think
Speaker 1: we're going to see plenty of trade action happening, and
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be interesting to see how that
Speaker 1: shakes thinks, goes Dane, I wanna. I've been thinking about
Speaker 1: that since we kick this off. I read your mock
Speaker 1: this morning. I think to bring it back to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That's what's so fascinating to me is you think, and
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, there's no guarantee that C. J.
Speaker 1: Henderson Calevan Chason are available at seventeen, right, right, But
Speaker 1: if those guys go, and you got three wide receivers
Speaker 1: who probably go, you know, there's ninety five tackles that
Speaker 1: are in consideration in the first round of this draft.
Speaker 1: If those two guys are not availing a bowl, it
Speaker 1: seems like a pretty good bet that somebody we're not
Speaker 1: counting on could be pushed down into that seventeenth draft spot.
Speaker 1: And that's that's a good point. Especially we'll see how
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks go to go out of the Cowboys that
Speaker 1: that's another factor that put one of these players down.
Speaker 1: And we've talked so much about guys like Javone kin Law.
Speaker 1: And you know, whether the team they made some important
Speaker 1: free Asian editions at the defensive tackle squot, would they
Speaker 1: still go with a kin Law? You know, there's some
Speaker 1: metal stuff you got to worry about there. If they
Speaker 1: get wiped out in their top two walls, which we
Speaker 1: assume the top seaquahings with Jason and Henderson, then I
Speaker 1: think we're looking at corner right, Is that what we're thinking?
Speaker 1: AJ Terrell Travon Digs. That seems like the most logical
Speaker 1: approach that where they'd be looking at seventeen based on
Speaker 1: my social media feed. Uh. And I maybe not be
Speaker 1: helping with this because I don't have a J. Terrell
Speaker 1: is one of my top five cornerbacks rated. Uh, Dane,
Speaker 1: Can we go ahead and talk about AJ Terrell a
Speaker 1: little bit because that has been a name that's been
Speaker 1: bounced about a lot, and I think Cowboys fans may
Speaker 1: want to know. Okay, why does it seem like the media,
Speaker 1: at least here locally is kind of down on AJ Terrell? Uh?
Speaker 1: Because you know, that's a that's a scary thing for
Speaker 1: some fans if that name gets out there and then like,
Speaker 1: well everyone's saying that he's not very good. He's a
Speaker 1: good player. Why don't you give us a little bit
Speaker 1: more on him? Yeah, I think he picked the two
Speaker 1: worst games to play his worst football and at the
Speaker 1: final two games of the year for Clemson and notably
Speaker 1: in a national title game or a Jamark case just
Speaker 1: kind of had his way up and down the field.
Speaker 1: But it, you know, context being what it is, Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase is if he were in the draft, you'd be
Speaker 1: the first receiver drafted, probably among the top ten. But
Speaker 1: the body of work for a j terrell Is is
Speaker 1: still pretty impressive. He is a big body, corner, very
Speaker 1: good athlete at six four for two in the forty
Speaker 1: year dash. So I think when you look at the
Speaker 1: totality of this player in college, the full body of work,
Speaker 1: you see a quality player. Now twenty that's still be
Speaker 1: a little rich for me, just my personal opinion. But still,
Speaker 1: they don't make corners that are six one that run
Speaker 1: four for two, just you know, they're just hanging out
Speaker 1: there waiting to be picked. This is a talented player
Speaker 1: who if he doesn't, if the Cowboys don't take him,
Speaker 1: he would I could seem going nineteen, I could see
Speaker 1: him going twenty two. I don't think it's out of
Speaker 1: the top twenty five. So Aj Terrell, it's not just
Speaker 1: the Cowboys that are interested and possibly making him their
Speaker 1: first round draft choice, but underneath ten minutes until the
Speaker 1: draft actually gets under way, it seems like the corners
Speaker 1: are kind of one of those areas where there's just
Speaker 1: a jumbled mess right at the beginning, not just with
Speaker 1: Christian Fulton, Trayvon Diggs, and Terrell, but also a guy
Speaker 1: who Kevin Turner is very very high on, and Jeff Gladney.
Speaker 1: Where do you kind of see Jeff Gladney's a DFW
Speaker 1: product coming out of TCU. This is another individual that
Speaker 1: I think cornerwise the Cowboys might not be very high on.
Speaker 1: Where do you kind see him flalling in the middle
Speaker 1: of this. I don't have any idea how the Cowboys
Speaker 1: valued Gladnee. And you know, sometimes you get you hear
Speaker 1: James like they might be in on, you know, Chavon Diggs,
Speaker 1: you know, whispers of names like AJ Terrell, and you
Speaker 1: hear things. I haven't heard much about how they feel
Speaker 1: about Jeff Gladney. I think abou Jeff Gladney. I think
Speaker 1: the number one thing people do is They knock him
Speaker 1: for his size, but if you look at it, he's
Speaker 1: got really long arms, he's got good length, and I
Speaker 1: think he's a very aggressive corner I think he's very
Speaker 1: good as a man player. But I really find him
Speaker 1: to be a guy who can kind of get in
Speaker 1: the mix. And I think there's so much emphasis put
Speaker 1: on being a little more aggressive defensively, whether that's from
Speaker 1: the scheme who's gonna blitz more, whether it's from just
Speaker 1: overall frustrates not getting turnovers over the last few years.
Speaker 1: I find glad need to be a very aggressive cornerback
Speaker 1: and someone who I think deserves to go in the
Speaker 1: first round. But you know, for me, you know, I
Speaker 1: like him maybe more than the rest of the world does.
Speaker 1: But that's fine. It's why we do this, right. We
Speaker 1: all have varying opinions on players, and we agree on
Speaker 1: some players as well. But for me, I would prefer
Speaker 1: Gladney at seventeen over a J. Terrell. But you know,
Speaker 1: based on what you kind of hear around the league
Speaker 1: and just looking around, I don't know if the rest
Speaker 1: of the league feels that way, Katie. To your point,
Speaker 1: I think when you look at ball production, you look
Speaker 1: at stats at the college level. In my experience, one
Speaker 1: of the best stacks that translate from college to the
Speaker 1: NFL passes defended. If you get your hands on the
Speaker 1: football in college, chances are you're gonna do it in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And only two players in college football and
Speaker 1: over fifteen passes defended each of the last two years,
Speaker 1: one of them being Jeff Gladney. The other meet robertson
Speaker 1: the movies the Nattack. So really talented corners in this
Speaker 1: class that neither are the biggest guys in the world,
Speaker 1: but both of them are ballhawks with that mentality that
Speaker 1: you want and that immediately leads to ball production. Let's
Speaker 1: talk safety. We're sticking with the secondary where we've talked
Speaker 1: about some of these corners, but at least going into
Speaker 1: the offseason, it seems like safety was really that go
Speaker 1: too for the Cowboys. What is something that you can
Speaker 1: look at with maybe where the value is where you
Speaker 1: kind of find yourself at least evaluating an Xavier McKinney,
Speaker 1: a Grant Delpit, some of these later safeties, even an
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield junior from Minnesota. Dave I know, it seems
Speaker 1: like the value may not be there. For these safeties
Speaker 1: at pick seventeen. But if you trade back and you
Speaker 1: find yourself in the middle of the twenties or even
Speaker 1: early thirties, this might be the sweet spot for those guys,
Speaker 1: Thank Kyle. And I'm a cynic. I'm a cynic by nature,
Speaker 1: so maybe that's my cynical attitude. But I've been burned before. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've fallen in love with a lot of safeties over
Speaker 1: the years. I've convinced myself on numerous occasions that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were going to draft one. You know. Obviously, last
Speaker 1: year it was want Thornhill, Old Taylor Rap, this year Adderley,
Speaker 1: those guys. That's not to say that they can't do
Speaker 1: it or that they won't do it, but at this
Speaker 1: point I almost need to see it to believe it.
Speaker 1: And if I mean, if you're talking about the first round, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think McKinney is in consideration. I hear more about
Speaker 1: McKinney than I do about Delpit, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: but I think that they're interested in both of those guys.
Speaker 1: But I think at seventeen, I definitely think they would
Speaker 1: have to be wiped out. And then if you're talking
Speaker 1: about a trade back again. You talk about value. Let's
Speaker 1: just imagine that the Cowboys trade back to like twenty five,
Speaker 1: you know, say they trade with Minnesota. Are you going
Speaker 1: to draft one of those safeties there? Or is there
Speaker 1: an aj Terrell or a Trevon Diggs that you feel
Speaker 1: a lot better about. I think everybody would agree drafting
Speaker 1: a cornerback is the bigger priority. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to rule it out completely, but I think a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff would have happen for them to pick a
Speaker 1: safety over some of the other likely options. I think
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I will do want to ask
Speaker 1: if we let's rule out cornerback, let's rule out edge
Speaker 1: for a minute. But if they traded back into the
Speaker 1: twenties and something was there that we were maybe not
Speaker 1: thinking about, Like, is there any chance that they would
Speaker 1: pull out twenty thirteen again and trade back and take
Speaker 1: a center given that Travis Frederick just retired. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's what they should do. But you know how
Speaker 1: this team thinks about, or at least over the years,
Speaker 1: have thought about, you know, running the football and establishing
Speaker 1: dominance up front. I don't think they would, um. I know,
Speaker 1: you know, people talk about Caesar Ruise. You know he's
Speaker 1: a great player. UM, I don't think so, because you
Speaker 1: just you you address that last year, like Connor McGovern,
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern was not a need pick. He was the
Speaker 1: best player available. That's why you draft guys like that,
Speaker 1: because you never know when you're gonna need him. They
Speaker 1: have Joe Looney, they have Connor McGovern, Mike McCarthy, and
Speaker 1: the pre draft press conference. Even through Connor Williams in
Speaker 1: there as an option, it's just, I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: need a first round pick at every position on the
Speaker 1: offensive line, or you shouldn't in order to be able
Speaker 1: to function. Um. I would be pretty surprised by that, honestly.
Speaker 1: And look, you guys know, I'm on Team forty Burger.
Speaker 1: I would love to see the Cowboys spend a big
Speaker 1: pick on a receiver, but I really think something crazy
Speaker 1: is going to have to happen for this pick to
Speaker 1: not be a defender. I just's I got feeling. And
Speaker 1: you haven't had a chance to shine in on Team
Speaker 1: forty Burger. Are you captain trade down or a usergeant
Speaker 1: trained down? One of those? I guess h sub series
Speaker 1: of Jeff cavanalls thinking where are you kind of at
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys draft strategy overall. I mean it's cliche,
Speaker 1: but best player availables or I always lean towards because
Speaker 1: you just oh boring football. Football is a game of attrition.
Speaker 1: That's your point. With the government pick last year and
Speaker 1: especially the first list, you're seventeen best play in the draft,
Speaker 1: you're going to get one of them. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where you look at it. Played on Chase on
Speaker 1: a C. J. Henderson H and if ed the being
Speaker 1: a receiver, it'd be tough to pass on one H.
Speaker 1: For just me speaking personally, I think they better maybe
Speaker 1: better off the chasa on Henderson. But if even if
Speaker 1: the Justin Jefferson were there for me at seventeen, that's
Speaker 1: a high wayed player for me on my board. And
Speaker 1: so that's the direction I would leave, even though I
Speaker 1: think we're you look at receiver and this team I
Speaker 1: think is a good spot, but it's you want to
Speaker 1: get better and you want The best way I can
Speaker 1: sum it up is I think you want to take
Speaker 1: the player that the rest of your division is going
Speaker 1: to look at and say crap, you know, like just
Speaker 1: the Cowboys added who like you know, and that that's
Speaker 1: kind of how I look at it. So yeah, they
Speaker 1: could go with maybe try to address a need, go
Speaker 1: best player, go the guy that's going to make the
Speaker 1: rest of your division look at it and say just
Speaker 1: shaking their heads because the Cowboys just kind of a
Speaker 1: lot better. Mister Burglar, in your many years of covering
Speaker 1: these drafts, would you not agree that the Cowboys tend
Speaker 1: to use need as their tiebreaker when it's even remotely close,
Speaker 1: No question. And that's I mean, Kyle ast what I
Speaker 1: would do. That's kind of where I l this team.
Speaker 1: They tend to lean towards where they you know, they
Speaker 1: I don't want to say they pick up their mind
Speaker 1: before the raft in terms of the position, h but
Speaker 1: it's still something that they have an idea of where
Speaker 1: they want to go this year. We feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if Chason's off the board, I think we can all
Speaker 1: agree there's a high likelihood it's going to be somewhere
Speaker 1: in the secondary of pick seventeen. I think secondary is
Speaker 1: a good solid spot there at seventeen, but also edge
Speaker 1: rusher and you mentioned calevan Chase on and I don't
Speaker 1: think we've gone in depth at least on who he
Speaker 1: could be because right now, as we enter the seven
Speaker 1: o'clock hour, we're nearing the first round. It's right around
Speaker 1: the corner, and it still seems like Calevan Chason out
Speaker 1: of LSU. Is that go to or at least the
Speaker 1: prediction for most Cowboys Nation. Dave, you're an LSU alum,
Speaker 1: you've had an eye on Chase on for a couple
Speaker 1: of years. Now, what is your scouting report overall on
Speaker 1: the kind of player that he is for those of
Speaker 1: Cowboys Nation that maybe doesn't know who Calevan Chason is, Kay,
Speaker 1: Calevan chase On, Um, you're gonna look at him and
Speaker 1: think of a three to four outside linebacker. He's he's
Speaker 1: He's not like drastically light, but he is light for
Speaker 1: an NFL defense then, at least at this point in
Speaker 1: his career. The interesting thing about him is he didn't
Speaker 1: get to do Pro Day. He didn't work out at
Speaker 1: the Combine because he thought he would have a Pro day. Um,
Speaker 1: so you know, scouts and teams might have it, but
Speaker 1: we on the outside do not have his testing numbers,
Speaker 1: which I assure you would be freakish if they were public.
Speaker 1: Incredibly athletic, he is a quick to guy. He's got
Speaker 1: a great first step, and the thing that I think
Speaker 1: people need to remember about him. You know, people are
Speaker 1: scared because of his lack of college production. He had
Speaker 1: nine and a half college sacks. He had six and
Speaker 1: a half for LSU's national title team. So that's six
Speaker 1: and a half sacks in fifteen games. It's not great.
Speaker 1: The guy's also twenty years old. He's only started one
Speaker 1: season of college football. He tore his ACL and the
Speaker 1: season opener of the twenty eighteen season. He was a
Speaker 1: rotational guy as a freshman, so he grabbed the starting
Speaker 1: job as a true sophomore, lost it because of injury,
Speaker 1: and got better every season as the year win along
Speaker 1: in his only season as a starter. To borrow a
Speaker 1: phrase that Dane Brugler uses all the time, everything about
Speaker 1: this guy points to him being an ascending player and
Speaker 1: as far as intangibles go, which I think are important.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people outside the LSU program
Speaker 1: know this, but he won't eighteen for a reason. That
Speaker 1: number is given to guy as a designation of leadership,
Speaker 1: good attitude, being that right kind of guy, first in
Speaker 1: the building, last to leave. They give it out every
Speaker 1: year to players that they think are worthy and it's
Speaker 1: it's a big honor within the program, and for them
Speaker 1: to give it to a twenty year old is pretty remarkable. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, he's got short arms for
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. His college production is not off the chart.
Speaker 1: I understand why it scares people. He's not a slam dunk,
Speaker 1: but I feel very comfortable betting on that upside, especially
Speaker 1: given that you are all the way back at pick seventeen.
Speaker 1: You know, i'd see watching him play and watching those
Speaker 1: LSU games one thing you may notice. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people might just go straight to the box
Speaker 1: score and look, Okay, maybe the production is not where
Speaker 1: you want. He's at your Classics fourteen sack guy. Well,
Speaker 1: if you just watch the tape of LSU games, he's
Speaker 1: all over the field and he's in the mix all
Speaker 1: the time against the run and when pressuring the quarterback.
Speaker 1: So to me, I think what Dane said about him
Speaker 1: being as sending player, I think it is a great point.
Speaker 1: And I think you also have to look at the
Speaker 1: team right now. You're in trouble if you're counting on
Speaker 1: your defensive end group to be DeMarcus Lawrence. An injury
Speaker 1: history of Tyrone Crawford Alden Smith and Randy Gregory a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick in dorch Armstrong. They need some boost,
Speaker 1: they need some juice. They need a guy with a
Speaker 1: little bend at a little speed off the edge after
Speaker 1: losing Robert Quinn. And that's what Chasun can give you.
Speaker 1: My biggest concern with him is play strength, you know,
Speaker 1: just a little bit stronger. It's like he's a bad
Speaker 1: run player, but sometimes it's gonna struggle to set the
Speaker 1: edge and things like that. But look, that's your guy
Speaker 1: at seventeen. I think we should all be perfectly fine
Speaker 1: with that. I definitely like that than the alternative of
Speaker 1: maybe an aj Terrell or Dryfon Diggs. Are you to
Speaker 1: gross Matos out of Pinn State there as well? But Dan,
Speaker 1: you call him an ascending player. Where's he ad on
Speaker 1: your board? And would you be happy if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: selected Chase On with that seventeenth pick? I mean I
Speaker 1: would be happy for the Cowboys, Yeah, I mean because
Speaker 1: I think, uh, he's fourteen on my on my board,
Speaker 1: so getting him a seventeen And I mean the only
Speaker 1: thing missing from Dave's report was a social security number.
Speaker 1: I mean, he really he put it all together for
Speaker 1: you right there. I think the lack of production is
Speaker 1: a good point. You can count his career sacks on
Speaker 1: one hand. Uh, he had nine and a half. And
Speaker 1: so it's it's something where you're banking on the trades.
Speaker 1: The medicals have to come back clean because, like Dave mentioned,
Speaker 1: the ACDL last year had had a banged up ankle
Speaker 1: this past year as well. So you know, I think
Speaker 1: that you're you're banking on the trades, You're banking on
Speaker 1: a guy that is on his way up. The trajectory
Speaker 1: of where you're getting this player is very appealing. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the fact that I think he's pretty far from
Speaker 1: his football skilling, that's what he gets excited about. I
Speaker 1: mean he plays the second most important position on your roster. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean you have the number one position, well we
Speaker 1: think haveing number one position. Now you address that number
Speaker 1: two position, and uh, you know you're wow, Dan just
Speaker 1: throwing out the fire. He comes on the Draft show
Speaker 1: just really quickly and then just spits it. That's what
Speaker 1: we expect out of you, mister Brugler. If two is
Speaker 1: still hanging there around like pick twelve, this is the
Speaker 1: Twitter is gonna get that. I see Twitter is gonna
Speaker 1: get real weird. I'm here for it, and I absolutely
Speaker 1: think that Twitter and the entire Cowboys nation will get weird.
Speaker 1: And we've got about ten minutes or so until we
Speaker 1: hear the commissioner and we officially get the Bengals on
Speaker 1: the clock. Coming up in the next ten minutes or so,
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Speaker 1: Kevin Turner, Dame Brugler, David Hellman. We are here all night,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty five picks, all presented by Biller Light,
Speaker 1: our Draft day partner as always. And one of the
Speaker 1: fun things about this, guys is it's it's a crazy time.
Speaker 1: It really is. And we're not going to shine a
Speaker 1: light on on COVID nineteen because it's a it's a
Speaker 1: sad time and there's a lot of things that are
Speaker 1: wrong right now. But you also get a unique opportunity
Speaker 1: being able to have every single player, every single prospect
Speaker 1: in their homes with their families and kind of surrounded
Speaker 1: by family and friends. You take all of the extra fluff,
Speaker 1: you take all of the money side out of it,
Speaker 1: and ultimately this is the draft in its purest form.
Speaker 1: It's exciting, it's nerve wracking at the same time, but overall,
Speaker 1: this is a draft that none of us are going
Speaker 1: to ever forget kind of Katie will start with you
Speaker 1: go into what you expect tonight. You expect trades? Do
Speaker 1: you expect anything crazy to happen at least starting here
Speaker 1: in the next ten minutes. Well, the first thing I
Speaker 1: expect is to remodel my living room to the wood
Speaker 1: paneling that the Commissioner's going with. But I would also
Speaker 1: say that no, I really expect an outstanding number of trades,
Speaker 1: especially in the back half of the draft. Teams looking
Speaker 1: to get back, teams looking to get more picks, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, day two or Day three, I do think
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a lot of trade downs and things
Speaker 1: like that. So I think, you know, I think my
Speaker 1: over undergoing into the day was seven trades. Maybe that's uh.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how how that would rank on
Speaker 1: the average, But I'm expected a lot of trades, um
Speaker 1: and you know, for for the first time. Uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like us there's a rush for the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft, and that's not happening
Speaker 1: this year. I don't think anyone's gonna go up and
Speaker 1: go get two. Uh so I think that's very very
Speaker 1: interesting thing. Look, we're gonna get offensive lineman, baby, you
Speaker 1: like offensive lineman's And after night, the tackles are flying
Speaker 1: off the board. I don't know how many, Dane, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many of you mocked in the first round.
Speaker 1: I know on mine I had seven offensive tackles going
Speaker 1: tonight plus Caesar Ruis, so eight out of the thirty
Speaker 1: two picks being offensive linemen. Same here. That's and then
Speaker 1: well the only tackle I didn't have that is still
Speaker 1: probably gonna go some more top fourty, top fifties Josh
Speaker 1: Jones in Houston. So, uh, it's gonna be tackle very early,
Speaker 1: and there could be four, maybe even five offensive tackles
Speaker 1: off the board for the Cowboys pick, which again you're
Speaker 1: hoping for more offensive tackles push some of those other
Speaker 1: talents down the board to you at seventeen, which is
Speaker 1: gonna make it really interesting. But yeah, I mentioned before
Speaker 1: the storylines to this fact. Where does he go? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we know the first two picks, and then
Speaker 1: you're we're on two. Go watch to see what happens there.
Speaker 1: And then I think you look at the trade action,
Speaker 1: We're gonna see a lot of trades, and then offensive tackles.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see a lot of offensive tackles. Four and
Speaker 1: the top ten, top eleven, and then there's gonna be
Speaker 1: that first wave of top four and we'renna have a
Speaker 1: second wave the next top four, and it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be too long before we hear those names. So to me,
Speaker 1: therese are kind of the main storylines I'm looking at today.
Speaker 1: The name or two that might shock you to be
Speaker 1: taken in the first round. Um, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: just thinking about maybe that wide receiver group. I feel
Speaker 1: like maybe we talked about rubs, We talked about Judy
Speaker 1: and Cedee Lamb from Alabama and then Oklahoma Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson from LSU, who might be that fifth wide receiver,
Speaker 1: sixth wide receiver that might sneak into the mix and
Speaker 1: the back end of the first round. You know, I
Speaker 1: think you're look, I think the oper undrun receivers in
Speaker 1: the first round should be about five and a half.
Speaker 1: I think that we're gonna get five and then with
Speaker 1: whether or not that we get that sixth you mentioned
Speaker 1: the four with bugs Lamb, Judy Jefferson, and then I
Speaker 1: think either Iyuk or Mims Brandon Iuk at Arizona State
Speaker 1: and Denzel Mims at A Baylor, and then even Jalen Regor.
Speaker 1: There's a few teams on every team, but a few
Speaker 1: teams in the last ten or twelve picks in the
Speaker 1: first round that are big fans of Jalen Reger. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of interesting receivers in this class. When
Speaker 1: we know that, and a lot of teams are gonna say, hey,
Speaker 1: I took great about my options in the second or
Speaker 1: the third or the fourth, and so we're gonna see
Speaker 1: some teams passed on receiver or the first round. But
Speaker 1: we still there's too much talent that we're gonna see
Speaker 1: these guys still go early. I think if we're looking
Speaker 1: for a surprise name, I think these running backs. You
Speaker 1: know that would surprise me if we see these running
Speaker 1: backs go early and somewhere in the first round, just
Speaker 1: because where are they gonna go. There's not many obvious
Speaker 1: landing spots for Baking Dobbins and going basically Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 1: Clyde Edwards a layer In most years, I think all
Speaker 1: four of those guys belong in the first round and
Speaker 1: they would go that high. Today's NFL where we are
Speaker 1: and I think just hold different the landing spots at
Speaker 1: the end of the first round. It makes it really
Speaker 1: tough to project those guys in the first round. But
Speaker 1: I think it'll be interesting to see who's that first
Speaker 1: running back rounded and where does he go did go
Speaker 1: in the first round? Do we get one, do we
Speaker 1: get two? So the running backs are really interesting in
Speaker 1: this class. Well. You could also say something very similar
Speaker 1: about the tight end group as well, even with the
Speaker 1: success that some of the best tight ends have had
Speaker 1: in the NFL as of recently. You talk about the
Speaker 1: two Super Bowl teams, the forty nine Ers and the
Speaker 1: Chiefs have greg Or George Kittle and then also Travis
Speaker 1: kell see on the same side. But I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting that you don't hear as much hype around some
Speaker 1: of the tight ends that are going at least early
Speaker 1: in this draft. Cold commats up there. I mean, other
Speaker 1: than that, really, it's it's kind of a very small
Speaker 1: list of tight ends that are getting any attention right now.
Speaker 1: And maybe we hear a tight ends name Cold tonight,
Speaker 1: maybe Cole commit at a Notre Dame. But even that
Speaker 1: seems like it would be a little bit of a surprise.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like cool Commet. Did I think he's
Speaker 1: one of the thirty two best players in this draft. No,
Speaker 1: I think it'd be a little bit of a reach
Speaker 1: if Poule Commet ends up going in the first round.
Speaker 1: I think he's still a really good player, but more
Speaker 1: of a guy. You consider the top fifty early in
Speaker 1: the mid second round, and it's not the same extent
Speaker 1: as tight end. But I throw safety in there as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like Xavier McKinney, but I don't love him,
Speaker 1: and I knew him as more of an early second
Speaker 1: round pick. Now, could he go in the twenties or
Speaker 1: even as high as seventeen. It's certainly possible. Cannot rule
Speaker 1: it out, but I think the second round's gonna be
Speaker 1: a sweet spot for these safeties, whether it's Jeremy Shin
Speaker 1: or Antoine Winfield or Kyle Dougger, And we can go
Speaker 1: one and on. There's a lot of interesting safeties in
Speaker 1: this group, but I don't know if any of them
Speaker 1: are slam dunk first round picks. Well, as we near
Speaker 1: about five minutes until we hear from the commissioner, it's
Speaker 1: time now to do a couple of predictions. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about seventeen and then give a bold prediction. Dave will
Speaker 1: start with you. Who's your final pick to go to
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys to pick seventeen. Let's assume their staying put.
Speaker 1: We're not captain trade down at least at the moment.
Speaker 1: Let's try and stay put here and predict what's happening
Speaker 1: at seventeen, and then also give me a bold prediction
Speaker 1: as well. Have to do both both at the same time,
Speaker 1: one or the one or the other first, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Picking the players not bold enough for you, jeez, not
Speaker 1: even a little bit. Um okay, well, I mean I
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly when it happened. It was before
Speaker 1: quarantine that it kind of clicked in my head that
Speaker 1: Caleb and Jason made a lot of sense. So I've
Speaker 1: been on that trade ever since. I'm not gonna hop
Speaker 1: off right before it comes into the station. Who knows
Speaker 1: if he'll be there, but if he's there, I really
Speaker 1: believe he will be the pick. If he is available,
Speaker 1: I think he's the seventeenth overall pick. Um. As far
Speaker 1: as a bold prediction, um, yeah, man, I wasn't ready
Speaker 1: makes bold. Has it got to be for the first round? Nah? Yes,
Speaker 1: let's do first round so we can do the later
Speaker 1: ones tomorrow. Okay, I just um I have a gun. No,
Speaker 1: I gotta I got one because I've been just passing
Speaker 1: this around. So the Kansas City Chiefs, right, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be on team forty Burger. They already score a lot
Speaker 1: of points. They need a cornerback. There won't be any
Speaker 1: left by the time they pick. So my bold prediction
Speaker 1: is the Chiefs are gonna draft the first running back,
Speaker 1: whether that's JK. Dobbins, whether that's DeAndre Swift. I also,
Speaker 1: you know, I've heard from well played sources that the
Speaker 1: Chiefs really like Clyde Edwards Hilaire, which maybe thirty two
Speaker 1: is a reach, but not that big of a reach.
Speaker 1: So I think the Chiefs draft are running back and
Speaker 1: make that offense even more dangerous than it already is.
Speaker 1: I'll go next, and I do kind of agree with Dave.
Speaker 1: Clyde would make so much sense. Hilaire from Clyde Edwards
Speaker 1: to Laire from LSU would be so fun in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Although a lot of players would be fun in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: I would say, for me, it's aj Terrell, the cornerback
Speaker 1: from Clemson. Just a little too much smoke. There hold
Speaker 1: too much concern on my end that Jason doesn't make it.
Speaker 1: My bold prediction is that after months of talking about
Speaker 1: quote tanking for Tuah and then not accomplishing it, the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins passed on to Tuah falls to the Chargers
Speaker 1: at six. That might not seem so bold now, and
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert will go at the top ten to a
Speaker 1: team about in Florida, but not the Miami Dolphins. You
Speaker 1: can do the rest of the work yourselves. Context clues.
Speaker 1: It's the Jaguars. There you go, there, you go? All right, Dan,
Speaker 1: you got I'm going with Chasa on who I had
Speaker 1: in my final mock, and I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: going to make it, but I'm gonna say that it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. That's my pick for the Cowboys. It's seventeen
Speaker 1: and then and in terms of a bold pick, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with Seattle is a you never go there
Speaker 1: to do every single year? Actually do you do? Probably
Speaker 1: know they're gonna try and trade out of there, but
Speaker 1: if they stay put in the first round, you know
Speaker 1: two years ago for Penny last year's Lja Collier from TCU,
Speaker 1: like they're just a wild card every year. This year,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Jonathan Taylor Wisconsin. Uh. And honestly, if
Speaker 1: they did happen that at the moment he is drafted
Speaker 1: by the Seahawks, I think he'd be the best running
Speaker 1: back in the NFC West so and that's why I
Speaker 1: think we would consider that if you're the Seahawks. That's
Speaker 1: my bold prediction for the night. Oh sorry, Kyle, Oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: you go ahead, Dave. The Seahawks are so good at
Speaker 1: finding running backs out of nowhere, like Carson um McKesson
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, Like why don't they keep
Speaker 1: trying to draft running backs in the first round. It's
Speaker 1: a terrible idea for shod Penny two years ago. And
Speaker 1: I mean, John Schneider doesn't care. That's the thing. He's
Speaker 1: gonna take you. And I mentioned this earlier. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: draft to the other three teams in that division are
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh no, Jonathan Taylor, I think would
Speaker 1: do that to the Niners and the Rams and the
Speaker 1: cardin balals where you added in all the Suns to
Speaker 1: backfield with Russell Wilson and Jonathan Taylor. I think they'd
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun to walk guys. I will
Speaker 1: have to I gotta cut this off because we do
Speaker 1: have a big adouncement. Cincinnati Bengals are officially on the clock,
Speaker 1: and Dave, I know this is your time to shine here. Man,
Speaker 1: You're an LSU alum, you got your championship, and now
Speaker 1: seemingly it's going to be Joseph Burrow as the first
Speaker 1: overall pick. What's going through your mind right now? But honestly,
Speaker 1: I found this out right before the draft. This is insane.
Speaker 1: If Hill Burrow is the pick, which we are very
Speaker 1: confident he will be, LSU, which has been garbage at
Speaker 1: quarterback for the vast majority of the last like fifty years,
Speaker 1: will be tied for the most number one quarterback picks
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl era with three, which I would
Speaker 1: never guess they would be up there with like Stanford
Speaker 1: and some of those other schools that reliably put out quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You know, that doesn't say great things about like JaMarcus Russell,
Speaker 1: but whatever. I'm very biased, but I think Joe's a
Speaker 1: franchise changer, man. I mean, not only does he have
Speaker 1: the talent, but he's got that in factor. He's very
Speaker 1: much like Dak Prescott in the way that he gets
Speaker 1: people to follow him. I don't think you can understate
Speaker 1: that enough. I think it's going to be a slam
Speaker 1: duck now. It makes a lot of sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look at Joe and the season that he had.
Speaker 1: I think that you might have concerns of, well, he
Speaker 1: only did it one year and everyone talks about that offense,
Speaker 1: which was load and we all know that. But I
Speaker 1: think that the traits are all there. You look at it.
Speaker 1: He's just mobile enough. He throws with anticipation. That's something
Speaker 1: that you see. He's very good in the pocket, understanding
Speaker 1: you know where the rush is coming from. The accuracy
Speaker 1: is there, and it may not be uh, you know,
Speaker 1: great at a hundred different things, but he's just kind
Speaker 1: of really good at everything. And you know, he did enough.
Speaker 1: I would be interested Dane if to Ah were one
Speaker 1: hundred percent healthy, do you think you know it would
Speaker 1: be a close grade right there or where? How do
Speaker 1: you think you could have that ranked? If it's to
Speaker 1: it getting hurt and had an outstanding season, you know
Speaker 1: how close is that at the top? It could be
Speaker 1: a consensus in terms of Joe Burrows the top guy.
Speaker 1: For me, I'm sold on Joe Burrow. He would be
Speaker 1: in my number one quarterback regardless it was fully healthier
Speaker 1: or not. But I don't think that would be the
Speaker 1: consensus among teams run the league. I think there'd be
Speaker 1: several who would lean towards Tua and everything that he offers. Um.
Speaker 1: I just with with Joe Burrow. He whatever he did
Speaker 1: at LSU this past year, and I know people are
Speaker 1: going to harp on it was just the one year
Speaker 1: we could go back to his junior year stretch the
Speaker 1: final four games to play the last nineteen twenty games
Speaker 1: and he played in college. It's not even like he
Speaker 1: played an average game, or it's not even like he
Speaker 1: played a negative bad game. He didn't even have an
Speaker 1: average game. I mean he was above average in every
Speaker 1: single game. And everything that he does well it translates
Speaker 1: to the next level. Talking about the confidence, just his
Speaker 1: ability to understand but everything where everything is on the
Speaker 1: field at all times, what's going on. He just has
Speaker 1: a great understanding a field general and everything that tails
Speaker 1: then as a passer, the decision making, the accuracy, the anticipation.
Speaker 1: He's a surgeon out there. So that and just the possibility,
Speaker 1: the ability to navigate through pressure impressed me more than
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that we usually talked about. His
Speaker 1: first round caliber players. So Joe Burrow sold me, I
Speaker 1: think the band Goals are getting a big time player.
Speaker 1: And tell you what, the AFC North with those quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: you know, with Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayfield and Robins
Speaker 1: Burger he's healthy, and then now Joe Burrow, it's going
Speaker 1: to make the AFC North a little more interesting. Fifty
Speaker 1: six hundred passing yards, sixty touchdowns, and over a seventy
Speaker 1: six completion percentage for Joe Burrow this past year. And
Speaker 1: I mean, and you guys mentioned all of it, and
Speaker 1: going up and down the scouting report, the accuracy, the
Speaker 1: mental process and just the pocket awareness that he has.
Speaker 1: It's all translated into the next level. But it's also
Speaker 1: kind of fun to see a guy go home. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's an Ohio kid, he was mister Football Ohio and
Speaker 1: now he gets a chance to go and play for
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals. So this is gonna be fun to watch.
Speaker 1: And now the pick has not been in I know
Speaker 1: a couple of moments ago. It kind of scrolled past
Speaker 1: on the ticker got ahead of ourselves. The pick's been
Speaker 1: in for like ten days. It's ten days, you mean
Speaker 1: like two months. No, I mean you gotta wait and
Speaker 1: see if somebody's gonna offer you something. But I think
Speaker 1: it became pretty clear at least yeah, ten days, two
Speaker 1: weeks ago. I mean, Schefter reported before the coverage started
Speaker 1: that Mike Brown sent him a nine jersey on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think that's about as clear as
Speaker 1: it can get. The running Yeah, yeah, he's running. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I got one comment and then I promise I'll
Speaker 1: take my Homer hat off. I'm I'm bad. I'm in
Speaker 1: a bad position tonight because they're gonna there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a five Bellshue picks. But I just want to say
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was good in twenty eighteen. Okay, he was
Speaker 1: playing in a scheme that was not conducive to good
Speaker 1: quarterback play, and obviously he was much better in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: But anybody that thinks he's a one year wonder should
Speaker 1: go back and watch more tape. He was plenty good
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. He was just playing in a caveman offense.
Speaker 1: Also I think you include the context that he had
Speaker 1: just transferred in. I mean, he was still getting used
Speaker 1: to the coaching staff, the offense around him, the playbook.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had never started before. So I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of people say, well, you know it couldn't
Speaker 1: beat out Dwyne Haskins. Well, in practice setting, I mean
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins. Let's let's remember this guy through fifty touchdown
Speaker 1: last year for Ohio There a year or four for
Speaker 1: Ohio State. It's not like he was a bumb and
Speaker 1: so in a practice setting, I can understand that Dwayne Haskins,
Speaker 1: that big arm and everything that he can do, would
Speaker 1: look a little bit better than Joe Burrow. But his
Speaker 1: junior year at at LSU it was a little rough
Speaker 1: early on, you know, thinking about what that Miami game
Speaker 1: and you know some of those early on games. But
Speaker 1: I think when you consider the context that he had
Speaker 1: just joined the program, you factor all that in and
Speaker 1: then watch the trajectory throughout the course of the season. Now,
Speaker 1: the Alabama game wasn't great, but again towards the end,
Speaker 1: people forget he was a Fiesta Bowl MVP as a junior.
Speaker 1: To your point, Dave, I mean he did not have
Speaker 1: a bad year. Did he have a great year? No,
Speaker 1: But I mean watching his tape over the summer, I
Speaker 1: thought he was a fourth round pick. That's what I
Speaker 1: thought of him at that point. So that's not to
Speaker 1: say that, you know, he had this tremendous year as
Speaker 1: to Junior, but he wasn't a bump either. Well. I
Speaker 1: also think like it's gonna be interesting, assuming, of course,
Speaker 1: at the Bengals go ahead and make this official in
Speaker 1: the next few minutes. Googles have had such bad luck
Speaker 1: the last few years in the first round, and Jonah
Speaker 1: Williams got hurt Bill Price, remember he got hurt. John
Speaker 1: Row three years ago has been a guy who's battled
Speaker 1: injury for a long time. It's been a while since
Speaker 1: the Bengals have really been able to stockpile their system.
Speaker 1: And look, there's a reason they were the worst team
Speaker 1: in the league last year. It's a bad team and
Speaker 1: it may be a rough transition period for him. But
Speaker 1: the Bengals are an interesting team to watch throughout this draft,
Speaker 1: throughout this overall draft, because you know, they've got some
Speaker 1: needs that they could really they need a wide receiver weapon,
Speaker 1: they could use some offensive line help, and they could
Speaker 1: use some linebacker help for sure. On defense. There's a
Speaker 1: lot that the Bengals can do to stack up and
Speaker 1: get that situation turned around a little bit up there
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati's so there'll be a fun team to watch. Obviously,
Speaker 1: they'll have you know, we picking tomorrow or be on
Speaker 1: as well well. And he kind of said it earlier
Speaker 1: this week. He said he's never been in a position
Speaker 1: where he's lost. He's always won, all the way up
Speaker 1: from high school, his prep even he was a winner.
Speaker 1: And he's going to go into a tough situation, there's
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Now the pick is in, so
Speaker 1: we're waiting on Commissioner Goodell too. I would say the stage,
Speaker 1: but it's more like stand up in his uh in
Speaker 1: his lobby or whatever you would call it, his loft
Speaker 1: in his house and delivering sweet. And it's the sweet basement.
Speaker 1: It's got the wood paneling and everything. Here's Roger get draft.
Speaker 1: The Cincinnati Bengals select Joe Burrow, quarterback LSU. There it
Speaker 1: is Joe Burrow, officially a Cincinnati Bengal. The hometown kid
Speaker 1: is going home. He's the first overall pick out of LSU.
Speaker 1: The quarterback is going to Cincinnati and Dave, this is
Speaker 1: a proud moment for you. I mean, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's cool. I you know, yeah, it's it's no,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's been really crazy. I mean, you know, professionally,
Speaker 1: like I think he's a great player, Stoked for him,
Speaker 1: stoke for the Bengals. Obviously, you can't one hundred percent
Speaker 1: remove emotion from the equation. And I was higher on
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow than a lot of people just by nature
Speaker 1: being an LSU fan. But I could have never predicted
Speaker 1: this um Heisman Trophy, all those touchdowns, being the number
Speaker 1: one pick in the draft. It's it's pretty surreal. Especially
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know anything about LSU football, I
Speaker 1: never would have seemed that an LSU quarterback would be
Speaker 1: capable of all those things. So, uh yeah, I gotta
Speaker 1: I got a soft spot for Joey be and I'm
Speaker 1: not afraid to admit it's a sorry Kazuh. If I
Speaker 1: told you in August h that Joe Burrow is going
Speaker 1: to be the number one pick the following April, what
Speaker 1: would your response have been. I would have said, great,
Speaker 1: So I need to be buying tickets to the National
Speaker 1: Title game. Uh yeah, I mean, you know, I thought
Speaker 1: LSU would be pretty good. I thought Joe would be
Speaker 1: a good player, but I mean they it surpassed even
Speaker 1: the biggest Homer's wildest expectations. Yeah, I think it's the
Speaker 1: situation too. Like when you when you watch him, he
Speaker 1: was so fun to watch in that offense is so
Speaker 1: fun to watch. It's like elis you finally realized, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we needed to catch up with where football is going,
Speaker 1: and that's how we're gonna beat Alabama, like once they
Speaker 1: finally got with the time and stop sticking to what
Speaker 1: they you know which, and maybe that's something the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to start doing now with a new head
Speaker 1: coach and things like that as well. Bring it all
Speaker 1: back to Dallas. That wasn't enough. That was that was
Speaker 1: professional there from Katie turning it around and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: new coaching staff, let's figure it out and let's play
Speaker 1: play some modern football. But now with all of this,
Speaker 1: it was funny. They showed a quick clip of of
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow in his house. He's in his living room
Speaker 1: just with his parents right next to him. He barely
Speaker 1: even cracked a smile. Guys, Like, we're talking about the
Speaker 1: mental toughness and kind of the leadership of this guy.
Speaker 1: I know, like you said earlier, Dave, this is a
Speaker 1: top ten or it is going to be the top
Speaker 1: pick overall, and it doesn't matter. He could have been
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, same thing. Not a surprise,
Speaker 1: but even that moment, that first overall moment, it's not
Speaker 1: too big for Joe Burrow. It's a cool customer man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that he cried at the Hydeman ceremony.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was capable of having emotions. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's, like I said, you know, being as
Speaker 1: close to the LSU program as I am, he's a
Speaker 1: different guy in terms of his mindset and his approach.
Speaker 1: Like I said, he reminds me a lot of Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: If they could keep off the ground, fix that offensive line,
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be able to do some stuff. Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, things getting interesting with the second overall pick.
Speaker 1: They're also showing Edward Jeron and his entire coaching staff
Speaker 1: clapping along as well with the pick that was being made.
Speaker 1: But now you get to Washington and this is a
Speaker 1: spot in the draft where you would normally see Chase Young,
Speaker 1: a defensive end and edge rush were out of Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Is there any any reason we should be at least
Speaker 1: concerned or looking at maybe a trade here or something
Speaker 1: crazy going on instead of Chase Young. No, this is
Speaker 1: this is gonna be Chase Young. And I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're the Redskins, you keep the phones open because you
Speaker 1: never know. Could get a trade offer here. But I
Speaker 1: just don't think they're going to get the draft capital
Speaker 1: that it would take to trade away from a player
Speaker 1: who I mean I'm trying to be too hyperbolic here
Speaker 1: with Chase Young, but you think about all the pass
Speaker 1: rushers that have come out in recent years, with Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett the bossas that, we've had a lot of pass
Speaker 1: rushed talent at the top of the draft in recent years.
Speaker 1: Chase Young can be the best of all of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, he has all the talent and like he
Speaker 1: won the DNA lottery. You look at a guy that
Speaker 1: has the size, the frame, the strength, athleticism, but he
Speaker 1: also works at it. I mean he understands how to
Speaker 1: use his hands, he understands how to set up blockers.
Speaker 1: So not only does he have the physical traits, but
Speaker 1: his football I Q, his work ethic, you put that
Speaker 1: all together, you have a special, special player. And look
Speaker 1: the Redskins, you they're they're the biggest needs on their team.
Speaker 1: Pass rushes not at the top, but you just don't
Speaker 1: pass on pass on special. Chase Young is special. I'd
Speaker 1: be shocked if if there's any other pick other than
Speaker 1: the Redskins taking Young year so real. I'm sorry if
Speaker 1: you just said that, comparing him to Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa,
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, just in terms of how you had them graded,
Speaker 1: how do you think that would have shaken out? I
Speaker 1: know that's tough, Yeah, no it is, But I think
Speaker 1: Jay Young he would be at the top. I really
Speaker 1: do think. I think Nick Bosa is probably the rookie
Speaker 1: year he had is gonna be tough to top. But
Speaker 1: I think when we look back those two players five
Speaker 1: years from now, I think we'll be looking back as
Speaker 1: Chase Young being the best or pro and I think
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa is awesome. I think he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: pro bowler. That's just how much I think Chase Young
Speaker 1: and his sky high skill well, and I know it
Speaker 1: wasn't just the Bosas and even Miles Garrett that we're
Speaker 1: kind of talked about in that same conversation with Chase Young.
Speaker 1: I know Khalil Mack in the way that he kind
Speaker 1: of runs a defense and it kind of anchors down
Speaker 1: and forces offenses to kind of scheme around him. At
Speaker 1: least they've been in the conversation. Now the pick is
Speaker 1: in here for Washington, and if it's anything other than
Speaker 1: Chase Young, it's a surprise and it's gonna be nuts.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, this is one of the
Speaker 1: best edge rushers we've ever seen coming up through the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, even with some of those names
Speaker 1: that were just mentioned. Dave, Yeah, no, I mean I
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's boring because we've been talking about
Speaker 1: these guys for two months, but I think we all
Speaker 1: know what these first two picks are going to be.
Speaker 1: I'm I don't want to say I'm surprised, but I'm
Speaker 1: impressed to hear Dane say that he thinks Chase Young
Speaker 1: is much better than Nick Bosa, because Bosa was was
Speaker 1: very similar last year. I mean, the writing was on
Speaker 1: the wall for forever about how high he was gonna go.
Speaker 1: He obviously, you know, turned in a defensive rookie of
Speaker 1: the year performance big part of the reason why the
Speaker 1: Niners defense helped get them to that Super Bowl. So
Speaker 1: to think Chase Young could be better than that is uh. One,
Speaker 1: it's impressive and two, if you're a Cowboys fan, it's
Speaker 1: scary thinking he could be in Washington for the next
Speaker 1: five to ten years. Three, if you're a pass rusher
Speaker 1: in high school, why aren't you going to Ohio State?
Speaker 1: Because they know how to turn out these guys on
Speaker 1: a great point. And Nick Bosa was my top prospectum
Speaker 1: August to the draft last year. Chase Young was my
Speaker 1: top prospect from August to the draft this year. They
Speaker 1: ran gam both years ushers. Pretty impressive room they've got
Speaker 1: going there. At a Columbus he had eighteen sacks last
Speaker 1: year's seven hits, thirty one hurries. And this comes from
Speaker 1: a guy who was a consensus five star. As we
Speaker 1: are just about there waiting for Roger Goodell, and here's
Speaker 1: the commissioner. In the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Washington
Speaker 1: Redskins select Chase Young, keepensive end, Ohio State. Chase Young,
Speaker 1: defensive end, Ohio State, second overall pick. No surprise there.
Speaker 1: Now we can get underway with the NFL Draft, because
Speaker 1: those two were certain those two were the ones we
Speaker 1: kind of knew about, and we've kind of even got
Speaker 1: to talk about it a little bit here. But now
Speaker 1: we finally get to look ahead and see exactly what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. The Detroit Lions are on the clock,
Speaker 1: and this is where things could go haywire here, Dane,
Speaker 1: Oh question, this is where the chaos, the potential for
Speaker 1: chaos starts. And the Lions have made it no secret
Speaker 1: they would be perfectly fine trading back because again, they
Speaker 1: a defensive playmaker and that could be Derek Brown, that
Speaker 1: could be a spense like Jeffcuda. I think they'd be
Speaker 1: rely fine with any of those guys, and so they
Speaker 1: know they could fall back to five six and get
Speaker 1: their guy. Now, if a team like Baxtonville comes calling
Speaker 1: and you're to move time, is that still appealing to
Speaker 1: a team like the Lions. So a lot of intrigue
Speaker 1: with his pick. The Lions have a general manager and
Speaker 1: a head cooat to you know there. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I maybe necessarily a hot seat, but it's a pretty
Speaker 1: warm seat. The Lions need to take a step forward here.
Speaker 1: They're going in the wrong direction They're in a tough division,
Speaker 1: so the Lions need to get a core playmaker here,
Speaker 1: and I think it'll be on defense. But it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting to see which structure they go. I mean,
Speaker 1: it feels like, oh, Kuda makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: given that they, you know, just traded Darius Slay and
Speaker 1: moving him to Philadelphia. But you know, you couldn't blame
Speaker 1: him for any of the other guys, whether it's Derek
Speaker 1: Brown or Simmons like you mentioned. You know, I, for one,
Speaker 1: going into it thought, hey, as Matthew Stafford starts to
Speaker 1: get old, it might be hard to go ahead and
Speaker 1: look at quarterback. But just haven't really gotten that vibe
Speaker 1: that they would be very interested in going that direction. Me.
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer of if you're up there in
Speaker 1: the top five, if if it really checks out, then
Speaker 1: quarterback is where you should probably go. But you know,
Speaker 1: these other defensive players who are really really good players,
Speaker 1: it feels like, Okuda, that's what I'm boked there. I
Speaker 1: think that's a great fit for what they're trying to do,
Speaker 1: what they're trying to build, But it could be it
Speaker 1: could be one of those other big names. And I
Speaker 1: think this is interesting with the Giants on the clock Miami.
Speaker 1: We've talked about being a hub for potential quarterback This
Speaker 1: is this is where we finally spice things up a
Speaker 1: little bit. This is pouring hot sauce on the draft.
Speaker 1: If it's my analogy, I'm going with there, guys, sorry,
Speaker 1: bringing hot sauce in the middle of the top five.
Speaker 1: I like that a lot, and you guys talked about it.
Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda or excuse me, Isaiah Simmons. You've got plenty
Speaker 1: of options here, but there's also the option for a
Speaker 1: team to come in here and potentially take this pick away.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Jacksonville. I know they have at least questions
Speaker 1: around their quarterback. Dave made the joke a little bit
Speaker 1: earlier they going to roll out Gardner Minshew or is
Speaker 1: that actually what their strategy is going to be at
Speaker 1: the quarterback position? Who do you see at least clamoring
Speaker 1: here to potentially move up and try and make a
Speaker 1: swamp as Kat's joke, not mine. I thought it was
Speaker 1: you who said, that's okay, that's we look alike. We
Speaker 1: both got the beard, the cornthine beard going. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: that's what I keep thinking about is like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: people talk about Detroit trying to get out of this pick.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like it's going to happen, Which makes
Speaker 1: sense because Detroit is in a situation where ownership and
Speaker 1: general manager came out and said, matt Patricia needs to
Speaker 1: impress if he wants to keep his job. So if
Speaker 1: that's the line you're going with, add some talent, stop
Speaker 1: trying to get out of that pick. And I mean
Speaker 1: certainly don't draft a quarterback while Matthew Stafford still has
Speaker 1: gas in the tank. Um, I'm going to assume this
Speaker 1: is Jeffrey Okuda because again, if if you can't get
Speaker 1: out of that pick, I think that's the best course
Speaker 1: of action going forward. I know we're going to you know,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the lines a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: want to just take one step back. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to derail the whole night. But man, I just think
Speaker 1: about that Redskins defensive front all and obviously moving Ron
Speaker 1: River in there. But you know last year spending that
Speaker 1: first round pick on Montes Sweat and then what they
Speaker 1: already have there with those Alabama guys and Theron Payne
Speaker 1: and Jonathan Allen. It's like, yeah, Ryan Kerrigan is still
Speaker 1: in the league, believe it or not, Like that is
Speaker 1: going to be a tough front seven. I don't know
Speaker 1: how well they're gonna cover back there. There's gonna be
Speaker 1: a tough front seven to contend with twice a year
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. Second thought, maybe should we be talking
Speaker 1: about tackle US seventeen or maybe offne reinforcements. Half joking here,
Speaker 1: half joking. That's a little scary for I think the
Speaker 1: majority of Cowboys nation. Now the pick is in. The
Speaker 1: Lions did not trade away, so we haven't seen movement yet.
Speaker 1: And here's the NFL Draft. The Detroit Lions select Jeff Okuda,
Speaker 1: defensive back Ohio State Jeffrey Okuda, DFW product down a
Speaker 1: South Grand Prairie High School and the second straight Ohio
Speaker 1: State Buckeye off the board. And you guys said it
Speaker 1: a moment ago, if you're not going to get out
Speaker 1: of that pick, go get the best player available. He's
Speaker 1: obviously the best player available at that point. I think so.
Speaker 1: And like Casey said, Darius Slay now in Philadelphia, they
Speaker 1: need more help in the secondary, and so Jeff Ocuda
Speaker 1: to me, in a lot of ways, he's the prototype
Speaker 1: of position, size, length, speed, h he is. He was
Speaker 1: a five star at of high school. He lived up
Speaker 1: to it in Columbus. And you know we talked about
Speaker 1: producing those pass rushers. How about this run Ohio State's
Speaker 1: been on with corners. Pretty impressive. So the pettigrees, they're
Speaker 1: not a surprise to see Jeff Acuta. High character kid too.
Speaker 1: Not surprised to see Jeff off the board here at
Speaker 1: number three. You take a look at Okuda's numbers and
Speaker 1: kind of what he meant to that Ohio State program overall.
Speaker 1: Sorry to cut you off there, Katie Well, I say, look,
Speaker 1: he's got a situation where he a lot of opposing
Speaker 1: quarterbacks only had a quarterback rating of fifty two against him.
Speaker 1: The number one thing when I was watching Jeff Okud
Speaker 1: that just jumped out of me was this guy is
Speaker 1: so soothing to watch because he's just so smooth, great footwork,
Speaker 1: that's the easy hip turned, the fluid hips. Um. I
Speaker 1: believe he'd never give up more than fifty yards in
Speaker 1: a single game, which that's that's pretty nice. It's just
Speaker 1: unbelievable balanced and just really good player. And it sure
Speaker 1: feels like he's the type of guy who can just
Speaker 1: kind of travel too if he needs too, against the
Speaker 1: Marti Cooper of the league or the Vante Adams of
Speaker 1: the league. You know, there's not many guys I think
Speaker 1: you do that very much anymore. You Yeah, you go
Speaker 1: have him travel with the number one wide receiver. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't see that as much as you used to.
Speaker 1: And this day and age oft thefl he feels like
Speaker 1: the guy you could just match up with. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: we got Michael Thomas this week. Let's go put Okuda
Speaker 1: on him. He's sure really good player, so smooth, he
Speaker 1: could run with anyone. I think he's that good instincts.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to like about him. And once again
Speaker 1: Ohio State cranks out another good high end draft player.
Speaker 1: No surprise there. Well, and you kind of mentioned how
Speaker 1: quick he is as well. Whenever you look at the
Speaker 1: combine that he had, he had top three numbers in
Speaker 1: the cornerback class in arm length, wingspan ten yards split.
Speaker 1: Now he was right on the outside of that in forty.
Speaker 1: His forty wasn't great, but then you got his vertical
Speaker 1: forty one inches, and then you've got a broad jump
Speaker 1: of eleven feet and three inches. So he was all
Speaker 1: over the place and all of those us and brought
Speaker 1: out at least the show the fact that he's not
Speaker 1: just a coverage corner he's an athlete on the same token. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he absolutely is. And I think it's it's very interesting,
Speaker 1: like we're talking about c J. Henderson a lot. I
Speaker 1: did think the Lions might be a team that might
Speaker 1: try to get out of there. And if they got
Speaker 1: out of there, how far would that pushback Okuda? How
Speaker 1: far would that pushback Henderson? Then at cornerback too, and
Speaker 1: him going obviously that high and not falling back. Next
Speaker 1: team that wants or needs a quarterback is going to
Speaker 1: a cornerback is going to be able to go get it,
Speaker 1: and life would be CJ. Henderson. So I think not
Speaker 1: only does that you know, make sense as a great
Speaker 1: pick for the Lions and Jeff Okuda, but it also
Speaker 1: I think might have minor potentially might have had Cowboys
Speaker 1: rampifications just because we are on the Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com Draft show, and I think you're I think you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right, Katie Is I mean Henderson, I will be
Speaker 1: shocked if he's not the next cornerback taken. I think
Speaker 1: everybody agrees that that's probably what's going to happen. And
Speaker 1: there's twelve thirteen picks that need to happen before the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are in range. And I just I don't like
Speaker 1: the odds that he laughs that long. And you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you're right and Jacksonville gets crazy and drafts a quarterback,
Speaker 1: but they let go of both of their starting cornerbacks
Speaker 1: in the last nine months. There's a lot of teams
Speaker 1: between here and there that could use a guy with
Speaker 1: henderson skill set. That's why for a while it just
Speaker 1: hasn't seemed realistic that he would be there for you.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough to see even if any of
Speaker 1: those corners kind of fall, because there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: teams up in front that dude need some cornerback help. Now,
Speaker 1: with the Giants on the clock here we mentioned how
Speaker 1: things could get a little bit crazy. With the Lions.
Speaker 1: Of course, they didn't trade out of their pick. They
Speaker 1: take Okuda. Now you've got Isaiah Simmons, who's a tantalizing
Speaker 1: pick and a prospect that's right there on the cusp.
Speaker 1: But you also have a chance to field some more
Speaker 1: offers here guy, And this is you know the Lions
Speaker 1: always didn't get the offer that they were looking for.
Speaker 1: Trade out of three will the Giants? And it's been
Speaker 1: well publicized. Dave Gettlman never has traded back in the
Speaker 1: first round, and couldn't this be the year that he will?
Speaker 1: He talked about he said publicly that he will consider it.
Speaker 1: But will they get the offer that's going to entice
Speaker 1: them to move down? I think you stay put and
Speaker 1: take the tackle. You know, in order for your running back,
Speaker 1: your quarterback who you took in them first round the
Speaker 1: last two years, and the order of those guys that
Speaker 1: reach their potential, you need to upgrade the offensive line
Speaker 1: and this this draft has plenty of options to tackle.
Speaker 1: But why not stay put get the best one on
Speaker 1: your board? I think the bigger question is just which
Speaker 1: one is the favorite? Received a text message Fine about
Speaker 1: four or four thirty this afternoon and it was just
Speaker 1: a little heads up like hey man, the Giants are
Speaker 1: trying to get out of there, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense, and it says that
Speaker 1: relayed the information over to Dane. Dan goes, yeah, who
Speaker 1: wants to go up there? That's kind of and what
Speaker 1: are we going up there for? You know, so if
Speaker 1: there's no really urgency for that quarterback too, and apparently
Speaker 1: there's not because the you know, the deal would have
Speaker 1: been done there, you're right now. I guess my next
Speaker 1: question would be who is your offensive tackle or offensive
Speaker 1: lineman one? Who is your Who's your pick here? Dan?
Speaker 1: If you're the GM, it's Jedrick Wills from Alabama. I
Speaker 1: think he's the best tackle that I scouted the entire year. Now,
Speaker 1: will Dave Gentelman and the Giants feel the same way,
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. I'm mock rist and Worths to
Speaker 1: the Giants earlier today, and it's it's it's tough to
Speaker 1: know how well what you know. There's certain things with
Speaker 1: each one he's tackle that you can really focus on
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, that's what we like about with me
Speaker 1: and the upside with works it's the athleticism for a
Speaker 1: big man. Uh, Andrew Thomas is kind of the battle
Speaker 1: tested guy of the group. And then to me, Jeddrick Wills.
Speaker 1: He brings the power. He also has enough movement skills
Speaker 1: where you trust him in pass pro So, I mean,
Speaker 1: weren't these guys I think you can sell me on.
Speaker 1: But you know which one or the giants sold on it.
Speaker 1: That's that's obviously the question we're wrestling with right now.
Speaker 1: Both Tristan Worse and McKay Beckton both having very good
Speaker 1: combines and good weeks up in Indianapolis. That kind of
Speaker 1: caught the attention and at least put them in that
Speaker 1: conversation along with a guy like Jedrick Wills and Andrew Thomas,
Speaker 1: who were on film some of the better players. I
Speaker 1: think I would agree with Dane in terms of Wills
Speaker 1: being my number one guy, But don't overlook kind of
Speaker 1: the expectations that are put around Andrew Thomas of Georgia
Speaker 1: and then Tristan Worse out of Iowa, and like the
Speaker 1: great Brian brought us who will join us tomorrow always says,
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot like your ice cream, which flavor
Speaker 1: you like? It's much. That's a great explanation of how
Speaker 1: these tackles are kind of perceived. And of the two,
Speaker 1: I know, Wills and Works both, you know some people
Speaker 1: project him more as a guard than a tackle. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that? Who's more likely to make
Speaker 1: that move? I think that both those guys would be
Speaker 1: tremendous guards. But I'm not moving them unless I have to,
Speaker 1: so I worked. I think people were worried about the
Speaker 1: arm length. Then he goes to combine thirty four inch arms.
Speaker 1: And then with Wills, I think because he is such
Speaker 1: a dominant run blocker, that's where people trying to latch
Speaker 1: onto well if you put them pick him and put
Speaker 1: him inside. But I mean, I think both these guys, Wills,
Speaker 1: especially because he has just over thirty four inch arms.
Speaker 1: His arms are actually two inches shorter than Andrew Thomas,
Speaker 1: but they had the same exact wingspan, which is tells
Speaker 1: you how wide Jedrick Wills is so broad. And that's
Speaker 1: where I think that you know, people talking moving him
Speaker 1: inside because of what he can do there. Both these
Speaker 1: guys I think would be tremendous guards and the guys
Speaker 1: that are long time pros similar as that Martin. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm keeping them outside a tackle until they
Speaker 1: show me that they can't do it. So this is
Speaker 1: a this is gonna be an interesting pick for the
Speaker 1: Giants which direction it decide to go? The pick is
Speaker 1: in a way continue well, I say, obviously this is
Speaker 1: a global program here or airing off throughout the world,
Speaker 1: but obviously is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com draft you
Speaker 1: as well. Just for a reference here, they picked up
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming in the off season. I don't think they
Speaker 1: want to throw Cam Fleming out there as a starting tackle.
Speaker 1: This kind of that gives you any reference of how
Speaker 1: badly they might need a tackle. No offense to King
Speaker 1: Fleming in his family. Of course, You're you're wanting to
Speaker 1: protect a potential franchise quarterback and who you invested a
Speaker 1: top ten pick in last year, Daniel Jones. So there's
Speaker 1: some intrigue there. I think it really does come down
Speaker 1: to one of those four tackles. Princeton Worse, McKay Beckton,
Speaker 1: even Jedrick Wills. But I know going into the season,
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas is one of those guys. Let's go to.
Speaker 1: In the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the New York Giants
Speaker 1: select Andrew Thomas. Tackled Georgia Andrew Thomas. I was just
Speaker 1: about to talk about Andrew Thomas, but the commissioner kind
Speaker 1: of shifted it toward him. Anyways, just a bully offensively.
Speaker 1: This is an individual that once you're locked on, and
Speaker 1: I remember watching his tape. He was one of the
Speaker 1: first guys that I watched his past year. He takes
Speaker 1: you for a ride as a defensive wind in because
Speaker 1: once he gets his mits onia, he's tough to lock
Speaker 1: off of. And Andrew Thomas, Yeah, I think he's he's
Speaker 1: battle tested in the SEC and kind of like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: teams they like offensive linemen that can latch, run and
Speaker 1: sustain and this guy he he can do it now.
Speaker 1: My my issues with Andrew Thomas were some of the
Speaker 1: balance issues got to them at times in space. But
Speaker 1: I mean, he is going to be a long time
Speaker 1: starter in this league in my opinion. The size, the length,
Speaker 1: he has, quickness with his punch even though he is
Speaker 1: so long the limb, he still keeps tight, keeps the
Speaker 1: inside that really helps him. He'll overset at times. That's
Speaker 1: where the balance issues come in. But this is this
Speaker 1: the player who's gonna be an immediate tackle, but he
Speaker 1: can also play right tackle if the Giants need him too.
Speaker 1: So I think that versatility, the fact that he had
Speaker 1: four one starts the SEC. There's just tough holes. And
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas bargue Dane that that might pay Ah might
Speaker 1: be safer than than Wills or worse, given that you
Speaker 1: know there are a high teams who may be were
Speaker 1: concerned about those two guys moving inside. Yeah, that's it. No,
Speaker 1: he is the safe pick, I think because he's battle
Speaker 1: tested in the SEC. He was at right tackle as
Speaker 1: a freshman All American. Isaiah Wynn goes to the NFL
Speaker 1: as a first round draft pick. He moves to the
Speaker 1: left side, and he holds it down the last two years.
Speaker 1: He's durable. I think he just his clear packaging on
Speaker 1: the box. You know exactly what you're getting with Andrew Thomas.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's much projection here with with this player.
Speaker 1: He is a just a really good rumbucker, really good
Speaker 1: pass pro, just an overall solid off It's attack. I
Speaker 1: really hate how smart I think this pick is. I
Speaker 1: guess I'd rather they draft Andrew Thomas. I was worried
Speaker 1: they're gonna draft Isaiah Simmons, which I think would have
Speaker 1: been a really good pick and a fun pick for them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, Andrew Thomas just strikes me as
Speaker 1: the classic light, very very high floor. Like I just
Speaker 1: I can't imagine this guy being a complete bust. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's not Tyrant Smith, but he's gonna be a good
Speaker 1: starter for you for the foreseeable future. And that's a bummer,
Speaker 1: given how much of a shambles the Giants O line
Speaker 1: has been for most of the last five or six years.
Speaker 1: The weekend, I will step away and Jeff Kevinaugh and
Speaker 1: Brian brought Us will join the party. And one thing
Speaker 1: that we always hear about is Jeff Cavanall's you know,
Speaker 1: captain tradeedown and the idea of just talking about a tradedown.
Speaker 1: I think this might be exhibit a of why sometimes
Speaker 1: just to say a traddown as an option is a
Speaker 1: bad thing to do, because the Giants probably would have
Speaker 1: loved to trade down. Guess what, no one wanted to
Speaker 1: call you. No one wanted to get up there at
Speaker 1: number four. And that's where I mean, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: about it that the Giants are probably would have considered
Speaker 1: getting out of there, you know, and sometimes it just
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. So but a good pick and obviously filling
Speaker 1: a need helping out that offense a little bit with
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and Mark Columbo over there on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the football. And now I think to me,
Speaker 1: I would call this the most at least leading up
Speaker 1: to it, the most intriguing pick of the night. Obviously
Speaker 1: that could change is the night goes on. But to me,
Speaker 1: Miami at five, is it quarterback? Is it something else?
Speaker 1: To me, this is probably the most anticipated pick of
Speaker 1: the night for maybe one of the most i would say,
Speaker 1: one of the most franchises in the NFL over the
Speaker 1: last twenty years. That is just kind of blah. They
Speaker 1: actually got a really intriguing night ahead of them. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you get three first round picks and you stay put
Speaker 1: at five. You don't have to lose any of those
Speaker 1: first round picks, yet you still get your pick, and
Speaker 1: you get your choice of the number two quarterback off
Speaker 1: the board, if that's where you want to go with
Speaker 1: this election. That's where kind of the predictions have lied
Speaker 1: with Miami over the course of at least the last
Speaker 1: couple of months. But even then, it's not a certain
Speaker 1: that they're gonna make a selection here. There's a chance
Speaker 1: they trade this pick as well. Was the hashtag over
Speaker 1: the summer that the Dolphins fans start a tank for Tuah.
Speaker 1: That was something that has been going on for a
Speaker 1: long time now, and here we are, They're sitting on
Speaker 1: the clock at five and they have a shot to
Speaker 1: go get them, and it's It's just it's going to
Speaker 1: be interesting with the injury situation. That's the Dolphins seem
Speaker 1: like they are pretty confident, and it's with three first
Speaker 1: round picks, I can understand why they have a chance
Speaker 1: to really have a facelift with with their offense or defense,
Speaker 1: which their in direction they want to go. They can
Speaker 1: get there, quote unquote franchise left tackle, they can get
Speaker 1: the quarterback, they can get a running back later on.
Speaker 1: They have a chance to really change their offense. And
Speaker 1: I think it's going to start here with an offensive player.
Speaker 1: Is just which do they go? Quarterback? Do they go
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle? I think it's it's one of those
Speaker 1: two positions. Really just don't see them going away from
Speaker 1: to a tongue of viloa here. I mean, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's been kind of that whole mantra of two in
Speaker 1: the tank for twa which it ultimately ended up beating
Speaker 1: Joe Burrows the first overall pick. But now you get
Speaker 1: a chance to to have your guy and have a
Speaker 1: chance to kind of go there, Katie. And look, if
Speaker 1: you're up there at the top five, you should take
Speaker 1: quarterback if you're if, because you may not get a
Speaker 1: chance again at eighteen and it may not be able
Speaker 1: to package up, so mat I think, so sorry, Katie,
Speaker 1: Well to me, I'm even rolling the dice a little
Speaker 1: more on quarter quarterback on an injury. If medicals scare me,
Speaker 1: I'm filling to roll the dice a little more on
Speaker 1: that position than any other position. If you feel even
Speaker 1: remotely good about to his medicals, he's a franchise changer.
Speaker 1: I don't even think this should be hard, assuming assuming
Speaker 1: you feel okay, which like all of the reports are
Speaker 1: that he's he's looking good, he's looking fine. It's just
Speaker 1: it's too important, and oh my god, he's so good
Speaker 1: when he's healthy. He's so much fun to watch. He's
Speaker 1: so accurate, he's got a cannon, he's smart. If you
Speaker 1: feel even remotely good about the medicals, I don't see
Speaker 1: why this is even a difficult decision. You got to
Speaker 1: trust David Hellman because he had to play against him
Speaker 1: as an LSU Tiger fan for four years or I
Speaker 1: guess three years, and he was terrified, didn't play to
Speaker 1: watch team had to play against him, and you kind
Speaker 1: of had that that feeling. I saw Nick Saban said
Speaker 1: this on some of the free draft coverage where he
Speaker 1: was like, I hope you're prnerback Alabama and it is two,
Speaker 1: which means for the first time since telling more, it's
Speaker 1: kind of what we expected here, guys. That's uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's the medicals. That's what we didn't know.
Speaker 1: Talent wise, two. It was always a top five talent.
Speaker 1: He does go in the top five. The ability that
Speaker 1: he brings is makes him worth the risk and the
Speaker 1: instincts that that's what really wollowed me when watching his film.
Speaker 1: He's so good, especially in the Arko game, and that's
Speaker 1: where he really shows his ability to quickly to read.
Speaker 1: He can process, gets the ball out and just like
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, he had ridiculous talent around him. Probably two
Speaker 1: of his receivers we'll be talking about later tonight being
Speaker 1: drafted in the first round and then next year two more,
Speaker 1: probably in the first round. But it still takes a
Speaker 1: point guard who can get the receivers the football, who
Speaker 1: can move the chains. He just needs to take better
Speaker 1: care of his body in terms of you know, watch
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, how he doesn't take those square hits, whether
Speaker 1: it's throwing the ball away, whether they're sliding, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Ta has so much ability. Hopefully, hopefully he's able to
Speaker 1: stay on the field. The fl A, the league is
Speaker 1: better off with a healthy to him. Absolutely, I think, well,
Speaker 1: you see too, you'd like to see him handle the
Speaker 1: pressure a little bit better. Like you said, almost like
Speaker 1: avoiding hits is almost can be a trait. I mean
Speaker 1: you said perfectly with Russell Wilson. The thing that I
Speaker 1: would say too, it was like, hey, you also have
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen as a backup if he does get hurt.
Speaker 1: Keep developing Josh Rosen or is Josh Rosen trade bait?
Speaker 1: That's another interesting name that sometimes gets forgotten. And now
Speaker 1: with the Chargers coming up next, what does that do
Speaker 1: to their plans? Because I feel like they probably had
Speaker 1: two a graded higher than Herbert. I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but is Herbert the next pick for the Chargers? There's
Speaker 1: another quarterback? Go now? The now we start to see
Speaker 1: the run go a little bit. I for one didn't
Speaker 1: think the Dolphins were going to do this, and I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people did, but I just didn't
Speaker 1: think they were gonna do it. They're so many questions
Speaker 1: and so many it's too it's too smart. You can't
Speaker 1: afford it. You can't afford to be the team. And
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say before Godell announced the pick.
Speaker 1: Save Nick Saban went on and said, you know, I
Speaker 1: hope the Dolphins don't do the same thing we did
Speaker 1: when I was there and we got scared by Drew
Speaker 1: Brees's medicals and we let him go to New Orleans. Now,
Speaker 1: New Orleans is viewed as one of the five most
Speaker 1: successful franchises in the last twenty years, and the Dolphins
Speaker 1: have been a disaster for that entire stretch. It's just
Speaker 1: you can't afford to not do it. And if he's
Speaker 1: if he can't stay healthy and it doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: that's a bummer. But you'd rather do that than watch
Speaker 1: him freaking lighted up for another franchise for the next
Speaker 1: fifteen years, well said, because you know, it's the greatest
Speaker 1: predictor of future injuries is past injuries. And you know
Speaker 1: there's there's so much going on with two us body
Speaker 1: and all that, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, roll the dice on a guy that has
Speaker 1: the talent and you just kind of have to. You
Speaker 1: have to hope that he's able to stay healthy. Now
Speaker 1: with two other first round picks. This is going to
Speaker 1: be interesting. I think you have to come away with
Speaker 1: the tackle with one of those picks, and then with
Speaker 1: the other one, you look at running back and maybe
Speaker 1: that's where you know, you feel comfortable getting a guy
Speaker 1: that is comfortable carrying the ball three hundred times a
Speaker 1: game or excuse me a season at the luffing game
Speaker 1: three hundred times this season. Because you're taking press from
Speaker 1: your quarterback, you know you're you're getting them more opportunities
Speaker 1: to not just be in those passing situations where a
Speaker 1: pass rusher is able to tea off on you. So,
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, I think the Dolphins have a
Speaker 1: chance to facelift their offense. It's gonna start with two
Speaker 1: h they have to get a tackle, and then I
Speaker 1: think they look at running back as well. And they
Speaker 1: played some competitive games. There's freason They had a roster
Speaker 1: that looked like it might be, you know, last in
Speaker 1: the league and might be had the number one pick,
Speaker 1: but they played pretty hard for for Brian Floor as
Speaker 1: a new head coach, so obviously added Byron Jones in
Speaker 1: the off season, they made some additions and then they'll
Speaker 1: have some a couple more picks tonight assuming they don't
Speaker 1: trade out of them. So twoa gone. That's been a
Speaker 1: fun top five. Maybe big surprise and Andrew Thomas. But
Speaker 1: and now you have the Chargers on the clock and
Speaker 1: we could be staring down another quarterback. That's a good point, Katie,
Speaker 1: is the fact that we haven't had a ton of
Speaker 1: surprises so far. All five picks were made when we fought.
Speaker 1: Maybe the top five could have seen some trades and
Speaker 1: could have seen some nuttiness whenever it comes to some
Speaker 1: other teams, maybe trying to get a piece of the
Speaker 1: action of the top five. We didn't see that. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's a product of the virtual draft. Of course, the
Speaker 1: stories will come out over time. But now you get
Speaker 1: the Chargers pick. And even then, when you think quarterback
Speaker 1: is a certain here, you've got a couple to choose
Speaker 1: from Jordan Love Justin Herbert. Where do they have those
Speaker 1: guys up on their board? Where could they go from here?
Speaker 1: Even if quarterback is the answer. And now, if you're
Speaker 1: thinking about kind of the way that this top five
Speaker 1: has worked out, think about how happy Carolina and the
Speaker 1: Panthers are right now. Because there's a chance that Isaiah
Speaker 1: Simmons is sitting there for him at seven, just unless
Speaker 1: something crazy happens here with six, that's certainly possible. And
Speaker 1: I think we're looking here at six of the Chargers.
Speaker 1: They've been looking for that left tackle for a long time,
Speaker 1: and you know they signed Brian Bulago, He's more of
Speaker 1: a right tackle. So do they go Herbert here? Do
Speaker 1: they go with left tackle? Obviously they have you know,
Speaker 1: three key options with McKay beck Beckton, Jedrick Wills and
Speaker 1: Tristan Worths. So do they go with franchise tackler? Were
Speaker 1: they convinced enough by where Justin Herbert was able to
Speaker 1: show them through the pre draft process? So some interesting
Speaker 1: choices here for the Chargers. Big Byrod Taylor is a
Speaker 1: quarterback that doesn't make sense for a team that might
Speaker 1: be wanting to develop a guy like Justin Herbert. If
Speaker 1: you think he's a guy that might or they could
Speaker 1: use some time before you just throw him right in there.
Speaker 1: I know I have my questions about Justin Herbert quite frankly,
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy about Justin Herbert. But it's just the
Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks have that talent and have that potential. They
Speaker 1: likely go into top ten. But Tyrod Taylor not a
Speaker 1: bad guy to have on your roster if you are
Speaker 1: in a situation to take a guy who who just
Speaker 1: had some question marks, as Justin Herbert from Oregon does.
Speaker 1: And I think with quarterback here it could go either
Speaker 1: way because who's gonna excites you more? Jordan love Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert for a team that's also looking to kind of
Speaker 1: get their fan base excited. This is a team that
Speaker 1: struggled a little bit ever since the move from San Diego.
Speaker 1: They're opening up a new stadium. Of course it is
Speaker 1: going to be shared with the Los Angeles Rams. But
Speaker 1: there's kind of that that marketing aspect to it too.
Speaker 1: We're all adults here, we all know that football is
Speaker 1: a business. At the same time, you kind of got
Speaker 1: to throw that marketing aspect in it. But you want
Speaker 1: to win football games. So who's gonna win football games
Speaker 1: for you? But is it also going to be the
Speaker 1: right pick for your fans? Yeah? The Chargers are just
Speaker 1: they're they're tough to figure out because they've look you
Speaker 1: mentioned they're in LA and there's just no bus on
Speaker 1: the Chargers as as a franchise, and so you don't
Speaker 1: make a pick based off of marketing, based off of money,
Speaker 1: You make the pick based off what's going to help
Speaker 1: point before they get off because the commissioner is up
Speaker 1: with the six pick. In the twenty twenty NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers select Justin Herbert, quarterback Oregon. Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: the quarterback out of Oregon. Sorry to cut you off
Speaker 1: there a game, but the pick is in and they
Speaker 1: made it is gonna be Herbert the new quarterback for
Speaker 1: the Chargers. That's and that's interesting that, you know, because
Speaker 1: we always wondered, okay, if is it as simple as
Speaker 1: the Chargers are going to draft the quarterback that the
Speaker 1: Dolphins don't And that's how it played out. And I
Speaker 1: think it probably played out if these two picks were
Speaker 1: swapped and the offense went with Herbert, I think the
Speaker 1: Chargers would have went with the two of us. So
Speaker 1: a really interesting back to back picks here. You know,
Speaker 1: we thought about, Okay, what would happen if these guys
Speaker 1: fell out of the top six. They don't. Neither of
Speaker 1: them do. And so for a lot of these teams
Speaker 1: that are picking in the back half of the top
Speaker 1: ten and the teams this is a good sign to
Speaker 1: see the quarterbacks come off the board. Justin Herbert. He's
Speaker 1: a guy that on paper he's got everything. He's six six,
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty pounds. He's a four to six athlete.
Speaker 1: Most you know guys that are that side six six,
Speaker 1: two forty they're kind of awkward as athletes. Not Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: He is a really good athlete. Smart, four point one
Speaker 1: GPA student or again won the academic his and coming
Speaker 1: off a senior year where they won the Pac twelve,
Speaker 1: they won the Rose Bowl. And this is a player
Speaker 1: has all the trades the big time. He's a really
Speaker 1: smart player, but just seems like there's something missing from
Speaker 1: his evaluation. I think a big part of that is
Speaker 1: when the pressures getting down on him, he kind of
Speaker 1: makes some ill advised decisions that ars own at tape
Speaker 1: really stands out to me. So I like Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: I don't love him. There's something missing from his evaluation,
Speaker 1: but he has played a lot of football, and I
Speaker 1: think he's stepping into a situation where Kyte, you mentioned
Speaker 1: they've got a bridge quarterback right there where it with
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor. They don't have to throw out Herbert from
Speaker 1: day one. But I think at some point during his
Speaker 1: rookie season, we're gonna see Herbert on the field and
Speaker 1: as a starter for the Chargers. I mean you said
Speaker 1: it too, like the measurables there. I mean, he's the
Speaker 1: guy who actually can throw the football over that mountain
Speaker 1: over there, like Uncle Rico. Like you have questions about
Speaker 1: his accuracy, very frustrating sometimes on some short throws you'd
Speaker 1: see on tape, we're very frustrating. I think he if
Speaker 1: you look at him and Burrow, the way they handle
Speaker 1: being pressured in the pocket to me polar opposites. I
Speaker 1: didn't think Herbert handled pressure very well while inside the pocket.
Speaker 1: Has the potential though, and this NFL to be an
Speaker 1: RPO machine as a guy who can't run on him
Speaker 1: for being almost too hundred and fifty pounds, you know too,
Speaker 1: and being six foot six, like he can't run. He
Speaker 1: ball security a bit of an issue. Had had a
Speaker 1: ton of fumbles. I just yea. You always, it felt
Speaker 1: like more times than not watching justin Herbert, either live
Speaker 1: or on tape, you just we're always going question mark,
Speaker 1: question mark, question mark, And at the quarterback position you
Speaker 1: really wanted to be exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point.
Speaker 1: It was just always question mark with him. But I
Speaker 1: understand how you're talking about marketing though, and no buzz
Speaker 1: in La. You said you don't make a pick for marketing,
Speaker 1: but do you make a trade for marketing? Okay, they
Speaker 1: could have traded up in front of Miami and got
Speaker 1: to a TWA would have been a huge buzz in
Speaker 1: LA and that fan base. That would have been a
Speaker 1: huge buzz. You don't think an Oregon native who played
Speaker 1: for Oregon and grew up a season ticket holder for
Speaker 1: the team he ultimate played college for could have some
Speaker 1: success over on the West coast little bit? You don't
Speaker 1: think so in terms of the buzz. But I just
Speaker 1: think two is a a more exciting player, a more
Speaker 1: of a household name. Uh. They've got an outstanding Polynesian
Speaker 1: fan base from years of great players at USC that
Speaker 1: we've seen over the years. I think that's two would
Speaker 1: have been the guy, uh maybe more so than anyone
Speaker 1: else in this year's draft to bring a buzz to
Speaker 1: that fan base. Maybe bring some guys over from uh
Speaker 1: you know who may be like, oh, he's I'm done
Speaker 1: with being Raiders fan, you know, or or you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really like what the Rams are doing. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't even know how Californians think.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't know. I felt like two
Speaker 1: would have been. That's that's your buzz buzz meter guy
Speaker 1: right there, that's a good point. Go for it, Dave.
Speaker 1: Let's well, let's talk about and the pick is in,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure Goodell is gonna cut me off. But
Speaker 1: I think every mock in the world has mocked Derek
Speaker 1: Brown or Isaiah Simmons to the Panthers at seven, and
Speaker 1: they're sitting here with a choice of either of them.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how many people thought that was
Speaker 1: a slam dunk. So I'm very curious to see to
Speaker 1: which of these two guys they like more. I assume
Speaker 1: it would be one of the two. Well, and if
Speaker 1: they think about it here, if one of those guys fall,
Speaker 1: then you get eight and you have the Cardinals. That's
Speaker 1: a team that's been very vocal about wanting to trade
Speaker 1: out of their pick. It's it's not certain that Isaiah
Speaker 1: Simmons is the guy here. Of course, Luke Keikley did retire.
Speaker 1: There's a chance that it could be, Like you said,
Speaker 1: Derek Brown, you can maybe even throw maybe a Javon
Speaker 1: Kinlaw in there depending on where he is. They need
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, no doubt about it. But even though
Speaker 1: Simmons is sitting right there, you can't necessarily think that
Speaker 1: that's automatically the pick. But I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: think it's one of those two guys. I think it's
Speaker 1: Brown or Simmons, but it could go either way depending
Speaker 1: on how the board lies for those guys. Look at it.
Speaker 1: Matt Rule coming in, He's looking to rebuild a roster
Speaker 1: his way, and I think there's a good chance he
Speaker 1: does start in the trenches, and that would lead you
Speaker 1: to leave the turnround of the pick. But I see
Speaker 1: Simmons the defensive planemaker, potent chel that he has. He's
Speaker 1: a dynamic athlete. I think he's really going to appeal
Speaker 1: to head coach like Matt Rules. So this is gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting. I think I agree with Dave. I think
Speaker 1: it comes down to those two players. I had leaned
Speaker 1: I gave him Simmons and that I would have been surprised.
Speaker 1: I have dirt go for it, Katie, Is that real? Quickly?
Speaker 1: I have Derek Brown graded higher than Isaiah Simmons. For me,
Speaker 1: that's my pick. I have him graded higher than Simmons.
Speaker 1: I have Germans higher than Brown, but kind of thinking
Speaker 1: of the way that Matt Rule thinks now. I grew
Speaker 1: up in Waco, I was around the Baylor program last
Speaker 1: year whenever Baylor was kind of in the middle of
Speaker 1: that rise. He loves to build around some big, meaty
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. He's done it ever since his time at Temple.
Speaker 1: He moved on the Baylor had Phil Snow with him
Speaker 1: and both stops. Now he has him as a defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator at or excuse me, at Carolina as well. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if Derek Brown's the pick here, just
Speaker 1: solely based off of what Matt Rule has done in
Speaker 1: the past. Even though I do have Isaiah Simmons as
Speaker 1: a bigger at least a better prospect on my board.
Speaker 1: It just kind of depends on the fit in the
Speaker 1: ice cream flavor that Matt Rule and company kind of
Speaker 1: have in mind here. I like Derek Brown, I really do.
Speaker 1: I just if you're gonna draft the defensive tackle in
Speaker 1: the top seven picked, he needs to give me some
Speaker 1: type of pass rush value. And that's where I struggle
Speaker 1: with Derek Brown a little bit. As much as I
Speaker 1: like I think he's a really good player. I just
Speaker 1: it would be hard for me to draft him over
Speaker 1: a playmaker like Isaiah Simmons or some of these other guys.
Speaker 1: But kind of, you know, talking we are about Matt
Speaker 1: Rule and what he will prioritize in terms of his
Speaker 1: rebuild of this Panthers team, it would make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. Still waiting on Roger Goodell to finally give
Speaker 1: the pick. The pick has been in here for a
Speaker 1: couple of moments. It's the Panthers, the Cardinals, the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: the Browns to round out the top ten, followed by
Speaker 1: the Jets, Raiders, forty nine, Ers, Buccaneers, Broncos to round
Speaker 1: out the top fifteen. As we are seven or excuse me,
Speaker 1: six picks down, about to have the seventh pick here
Speaker 1: in just a moment. So far, it's pretty much been chalk.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of the mock drafts that the
Speaker 1: Draft Show has done, the one that the live drop
Speaker 1: mock draft that we ended up doing a little bit earlier,
Speaker 1: has everybody except for Isaiah Simmons picked right. So far.
Speaker 1: We had Simmons going to the Giants at four, and
Speaker 1: of course Andrew Thomas was that pick the offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: the only offensive tackle as here's Roger Goodell. With the
Speaker 1: seventh pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, Carolina Panther
Speaker 1: select Derek Brown, defensive tackle covering defensive tackle. Derek Brown
Speaker 1: out of Auburn. They pass up on Isaiah Simmons. Dan
Speaker 1: you said, that's gonna be tough to do. Kind of
Speaker 1: hurts me a little bit because as a guy who's
Speaker 1: kind of rooting for Matt Rule, I understand why he
Speaker 1: went with Brown here based off of his past, and
Speaker 1: they still get a great player. A man passing on
Speaker 1: Simmons must have been to Yeah, And like Derek Brown,
Speaker 1: there is so much to book about him, both as
Speaker 1: a player and as a person. He came back first year,
Speaker 1: he would have been a first trod pick last year.
Speaker 1: He comes back for a senior year and he was
Speaker 1: a big part of our success this year. And you know,
Speaker 1: I watched in that Iron Bowl tape. That's what really
Speaker 1: when I think of Derek Brown, that's what I think
Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter. Most three d and twenty five pounders,
Speaker 1: they're gas, they're done. Derek Brown, He's still going full go.
Speaker 1: The motor is not quitting. He is making effort play
Speaker 1: after effort play. So Derek Brown has the character, he
Speaker 1: has the explosiveness both our body and lower body, where
Speaker 1: I think he fits in a lot of ways exactly
Speaker 1: what Matt Rule is looking for. But like I said,
Speaker 1: this is a player that's ever had more than four
Speaker 1: and a half sacks in a single season. And that's
Speaker 1: what bothers me a little bit about Derek Brown. But
Speaker 1: I understand when we talked about it, why Matt Rule
Speaker 1: would go this direction type of pick where you're kind
Speaker 1: of driving in the right lane of a five way,
Speaker 1: a five lane highway. We're gonna get there, We're gonna
Speaker 1: get there safely, and surely I feel like it's got
Speaker 1: to contribute. But what this does to me Arizona is
Speaker 1: a team I'm fascinated with because of my admiration for
Speaker 1: some reason of Cliff Kingsbury. I don't know why. I've
Speaker 1: just always been fascinated with the gay Maybe it's just
Speaker 1: the years of crazy offense at Texas Tech. I've just
Speaker 1: always enjoyed pulling for Cliff Kingsbury. They're so fun with
Speaker 1: Kyler now very fun here. Now those wide receivers that
Speaker 1: we've talked about, if you're a team who's got your
Speaker 1: eyes set on one of those, guy, Maybe you want
Speaker 1: to call up to Arizona and see what's up, because
Speaker 1: with Andrew Thomas being the only offensive tackle that's gone
Speaker 1: so far, tackle would make sense. I'm sure they like
Speaker 1: Jedrick Wills. I'm sure they like Tristan Worf's. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they also like Isaiah Simmons a little bit on defense.
Speaker 1: So very interesting to see what the Cardinals might be
Speaker 1: thinking here at pick eight. And you know, quite honestly, though,
Speaker 1: you can maybe get some value by moving back now
Speaker 1: as we've seen officive tackles maybe fall just a little bit,
Speaker 1: only one taken in the top seven picks. While and
Speaker 1: with the trade possibility here for Arizona, who would you
Speaker 1: think they could hone in on here? Because Simmons is
Speaker 1: still on the board. That's the at least I believe
Speaker 1: across the board right now with all of us, that's
Speaker 1: probably the best player available. But is that the type
Speaker 1: of player that you would see having some success in Arizona.
Speaker 1: It's interesting with it now, you go ahead. I say
Speaker 1: it's interesting with the Cardinals because you know they the
Speaker 1: first round a couple of years ago when they drafted
Speaker 1: a hybrid linebacker, Hassan Redick, who hasn't worked out, So
Speaker 1: you know, Isaiah Simmons is kind of another hybrid linebacker
Speaker 1: who you know, in order for him to reach his
Speaker 1: full potential, you better understand how to use his strengths.
Speaker 1: And that's I'm not sure every defensive coordinator is going
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. This this pick with
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, you look off at the tackle that they
Speaker 1: need help at right tackles, So that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense if they want to keep them get the
Speaker 1: offensive tackle train back on track. So Isaiah Simmons is
Speaker 1: really going to be the interesting name now now that
Speaker 1: two is off the board. Isaiah Simmons to me is
Speaker 1: that they need to watch at one that is not
Speaker 1: gonna fit perfectly with every team. But I just don't
Speaker 1: know how you can pass on the talent. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you how, Dan, And that's like I'm just gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna flaunt or flout draft rules right in the face
Speaker 1: because Isaiah Simmons is probably the best player left on
Speaker 1: most people's boards. But Arizona is not going anywhere if
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is running for his life, and that is
Speaker 1: my goal My goal is protecting my small statured cornerback
Speaker 1: who now has all these awesome skill players. We're doing
Speaker 1: the draft las year on day three even going or
Speaker 1: is Arizona ever gonna draft a quarterback? I mean an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Is Goodell about to do it? He didn't
Speaker 1: do it here. It's Isaiah Simmons. Oh, it is Isaiah Simmons.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything from from our producer, at least
Speaker 1: in in terms of Roger Goodell coming up, but it
Speaker 1: is Isaiah Simmons. The Arizona Cardinals do go with the
Speaker 1: Clemson product. And I think this is a value pick
Speaker 1: if ever had one at eight. Still haven't seen a
Speaker 1: trade in the first eight picks, but man, that's a
Speaker 1: That's an entertaining selection, no doubt about it. Interesting and
Speaker 1: Alas Simmons again, I think you need a creative defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator who will think outside the box, who understands that
Speaker 1: the key Isaias Simmons, being of the eighth of roll
Speaker 1: pick is the fertility is the fact that he can
Speaker 1: do so many things for you. That he can be
Speaker 1: a safety, that he can line up as an edge rusher,
Speaker 1: that he could be outside back, he can cover he
Speaker 1: do all these things and he can manipulate what the
Speaker 1: offense is trying to do, and so speed is outstanding.
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of funny to see. Uh, you know
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, like I'd mentioned, they drafted Hassan red a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, couldn't figure out how to best
Speaker 1: use him. Now they're going to draft Isiah Simmons. I
Speaker 1: just hope they don't break their flashy new toy guy
Speaker 1: who is a lot of fun to watch, and they
Speaker 1: need to pay attention to how Brett Nnables and Clemson
Speaker 1: used him and then try to try to replicate that
Speaker 1: in Arizona. The point I was making real quick, I know, Dave,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry right to earliers, like remember Day three last
Speaker 1: year and you're begging the Cardinals, will you take an
Speaker 1: offensive environment? If you glossed over any Arizona Cardinals game
Speaker 1: last year or rather to watch a red zone or
Speaker 1: sitting down and watching the Cardinals play, you would just
Speaker 1: see an exhausted Kyler Murray because he's been running for
Speaker 1: his life all game long. Maybe they can, you know,
Speaker 1: attack that need later on in the draft. You know,
Speaker 1: with Simmons, he's very fun matchups coming our way in
Speaker 1: the NFC West, to see how Kyl Shanahan game plans
Speaker 1: for a guy like Isaiah Simmons, and to see if
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons and you know, spying or Russell Wilson or
Speaker 1: you know, things like that. So the pick makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's just not what I wanted to see that team
Speaker 1: do because I don't think we've gotten the chance to
Speaker 1: see Kyler get a chance to fly yet. That's a
Speaker 1: good thing. I'm gonna spoil this. I'm gonna spoil this
Speaker 1: for you guys. I mean, obviously they could trade, things
Speaker 1: could change, but as it stands right now, thanks to
Speaker 1: the DeAndre Hopkins trade, the Cardinals don't pick again until
Speaker 1: seventy two, so they're down there in the third round
Speaker 1: before they get another shot at this. And look, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the world of Isaiah Simmons. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say I wish Todd Bowles was still the DC in
Speaker 1: Arizona because I think he could come up with a
Speaker 1: few fun ways to use him. But I just think
Speaker 1: it would have been start to get a guy who
Speaker 1: can protect Kyler Murraus. I mean, Jedrick Wills, Tristan Worth's
Speaker 1: you could you they're each the best tackle in this
Speaker 1: class and they're still available at eight. That's pretty good
Speaker 1: value too. It's go for a k I'll be quick.
Speaker 1: It's kind of similar to the same discussion we had
Speaker 1: about the Giants at pick four. Hey, you drafted Sake
Speaker 1: one Barkley Daniels, Joe Tie, Let's do something for him.
Speaker 1: Hey drafted Kyler Murray high. Let's see if we can
Speaker 1: do something for him. So they got they have to
Speaker 1: attack that that need, you know at some point in
Speaker 1: the draft. Go ahead, Well, I think this is kind
Speaker 1: of working out in favor of maybe even some of
Speaker 1: those teams that are looking for a wide receiver or
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. Right now, you've got one of those
Speaker 1: offensive tackles off the board through the first eight picks.
Speaker 1: The Browns, who are sitting at ten are gonna most
Speaker 1: likely have their pick of an offensive tackle. The Jaguars
Speaker 1: at nine, where are they gonna go? Of course, this
Speaker 1: is a scary pick for Cowboys fans because they need
Speaker 1: some secondary helps, more specifically at the cornerback spot. This
Speaker 1: is one popular spot that C. J. Henderson's been mocked too.
Speaker 1: But the way that things are kind of working out
Speaker 1: and at least being laid out on the board at
Speaker 1: the moment, there's still a lot of defensive talent and
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of offensive tackle talent that could
Speaker 1: go before the Cowboys even pick at seventeen. That leads
Speaker 1: some wide receivers, That leaves some secondary players that could
Speaker 1: eventually be there. The way things are kind of working out,
Speaker 1: it's in favor of what Dallas could want at least
Speaker 1: up in front of them and just being a jumbled mess.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville sitting here at nine, they're a very interesting team
Speaker 1: that we've talked about how they're in a spot where
Speaker 1: they need to get better a lot of different spots.
Speaker 1: They go several different positions here, but they need to
Speaker 1: get better pretty quickly for the head coach, for the
Speaker 1: general manager to keep their jobs, so to go. With
Speaker 1: a playmaking defensive tackle, Kin Long going know they like
Speaker 1: quite a bit do they offensive tackle? They've done some
Speaker 1: work on these tackles. Wouldn't be surprised that that was
Speaker 1: maybe a surprise pack here. CJ. Henderson is a player
Speaker 1: that you know, you look at the cornerback depth chart
Speaker 1: Jacksonville two years ago, it was a strength. One of
Speaker 1: the best cornerbacks depth charts in the league now, it's
Speaker 1: one of the worst with several replacement level players at
Speaker 1: the top. CJ. Henderson I think would come in. I
Speaker 1: don't think it'd take them very long to ascend to
Speaker 1: be the top point corner on that team. To go
Speaker 1: for it. Katie Well, as I said, I just think
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense, especially for a team
Speaker 1: that's rebuilding. I'd be interested to see what their pick
Speaker 1: would be if maybe maybe Herbert was still on the board.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing that makes the most sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's full rebuild time right now. Who's your who's your
Speaker 1: highest graded player for them? And that's kind of where
Speaker 1: I think that that pick needs to be. So well,
Speaker 1: everybother interesting team. They need defensive tackle, they need safety.
Speaker 1: Each one of those they could potentially have a chance
Speaker 1: at a little bit later on in the first round.
Speaker 1: Of course, they pick at twenty. You could say maybe
Speaker 1: Javon Kinlaw could make it all the way to pick twenty,
Speaker 1: even if they did like him a lot. If they
Speaker 1: think that they can have a chance to maybe snag
Speaker 1: him a little bit later in the first round, they
Speaker 1: may pass up on him here and go with a
Speaker 1: guy like C. J. Henderson who obviously won't be around
Speaker 1: by pick twenty, because if he's there at seventeen, then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, then I think a certain team
Speaker 1: in at least Frisco Dallas area would probably select c. J. Henderson.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, at least off of the value pick,
Speaker 1: it just seems like corner would be the spot to
Speaker 1: go here. Think it just it makes so much sense
Speaker 1: when you can say, you know, they shipped Alan Ramsey
Speaker 1: out of town, they got rid of A. J. Bouier,
Speaker 1: and again C. J. Henderson is an elite prospect like
Speaker 1: cornerback number two doesn't typically last very long. It just
Speaker 1: seems like if they're not gonna do something totally crazy
Speaker 1: and all of the viable quarterbacks are off the board anyway,
Speaker 1: it just seems like it makes way too much sense.
Speaker 1: You say, Jordan Loves not a viable quarterback, not at
Speaker 1: nine overall, I'll know, I believe we haven't seen a
Speaker 1: trade yet. That's been a big surprise so far. Now
Speaker 1: I think here the next two picks, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: we could Cleveland being one of the main ones, but
Speaker 1: and so far only one tackles off the board. If
Speaker 1: you're Cleveland at ten, we know they need a left tackle.
Speaker 1: It'd be pretty tough to trade away from one of
Speaker 1: these tackles that is still available for them. Got that up,
Speaker 1: Go for it, Katie Well, I just say I feel
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be real difficult for me to take
Speaker 1: Jacksonville seriously next week next year with Gardner Minshew is
Speaker 1: kind of there what they're gonna go with, you know,
Speaker 1: no offense to Gardner in the magic that he had
Speaker 1: for about a month last year. It's just it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like a team that's gonna be trying real hard
Speaker 1: to compete next year. Maybe that's offensive. I think that's
Speaker 1: a great, great point. But here's the pick from Roger Goodell.
Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Jaguars pick pat number nine. Let's go to
Speaker 1: the commissioner. Keep it up. With the ninth pick in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty NFL Draft, Jacksonville Jaguars select c J. Henderson,
Speaker 1: defensive back Florida. Ce J Henderson, the defensive back out
Speaker 1: of Florida. That's a heartbreaker for Yallas Cowboys fans. That's
Speaker 1: your number two safety on the board behind Jeffrey o'cuda.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that you really wanted to maybe slip,
Speaker 1: but we all kind of knew realistically that was going
Speaker 1: to be out of reach. It is officially out of reach.
Speaker 1: Henderson selected by the Jaguars here at the ninth overall slot.
Speaker 1: And Dave, this is the pick that you made in
Speaker 1: our live mock that we had a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. So
Speaker 1: it's not super surprising, but it still hurts nonetheless. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be mean, but like, would you
Speaker 1: call it a heartbreaker if Kylie Jenner turned you down
Speaker 1: for a date? It's I mean, this is just this
Speaker 1: is such a no brainer that it couldn't possibly be
Speaker 1: heartbreaking when you factor in his tape with the fact
Speaker 1: that he's six one two oh four and ran a
Speaker 1: four to three nine at the combine. As soon as
Speaker 1: he ran that four three nine, and I know forties
Speaker 1: aren't everything, but the minute he did that, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: there's just no way in hell this guy's gonna be
Speaker 1: there at seventeen. It's not possible, And sure enough it
Speaker 1: turned out to be right. It sucks for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but I just don't think it was ever realistic. He's
Speaker 1: star too talented to slip that far, and we talked
Speaker 1: about Jacksonville's needs at cornerback. It just made way too
Speaker 1: much sense imagery of Kyle going up to Kylie Jenner
Speaker 1: and saying, Hey, do you have the draft? My man?
Speaker 1: My man does not lack for confidence. So I know
Speaker 1: that he would. I know that he would, but yeah
Speaker 1: you would. Yeah, you feel like there's kind of I've
Speaker 1: got the Bieber haircut going because there's no barber shops
Speaker 1: open at the moment, So I think I wouldn't stand
Speaker 1: a chance regardless. One thing I say about him tackling
Speaker 1: his question mark how much does he like to tackle?
Speaker 1: And I can't get out of my head that Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick and Nick Sagan saving documentary that aired on HBO
Speaker 1: a few months back, where they're both asked, Hey, what's
Speaker 1: the number one thing that matters to you when you're
Speaker 1: look at the prospect like Canny tackle that's the number
Speaker 1: one thing. And you just don't always see him want
Speaker 1: to tackle. That's the problem. There's a difference in not
Speaker 1: being able to tackle and not really wanting to tackle,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you ask the willingness questions. Yeah, yeah, a
Speaker 1: little bit there as well. But I do think we
Speaker 1: might have a little potential here for some trade action
Speaker 1: with Cleveland up at ten day, and I remember you
Speaker 1: were kind of calling calling this or throwing this out
Speaker 1: there a few weeks back. This could be a spot
Speaker 1: where Cleveland might want to get out of there. My
Speaker 1: question is, we haven't seen the run on tackles go yet.
Speaker 1: Could cornerback that run began? You know, at some point
Speaker 1: maybe teams start getting antsy and moving up to get
Speaker 1: a corner that they might like. You also got to
Speaker 1: talk about wide receiver at the same time. All these
Speaker 1: great wide receivers are still on the board. Now, we
Speaker 1: kind of expected that at least to happen early on.
Speaker 1: Was maybe a wide receiver run here in the early
Speaker 1: or the middle parts of this second round or this
Speaker 1: first round rather, but I think offensive tackles where Cleveland
Speaker 1: has to go here. Guys, whether it's a Wills or
Speaker 1: a worse, both of those guys still kind of on
Speaker 1: the board. And you can even throw McKay Beckton in there.
Speaker 1: To day. The question was if Isaiah Simmons were still
Speaker 1: on the board. Here's the commissioner. Thank you, Fletcher. We
Speaker 1: are so happy to see that you're home and doing well.
Speaker 1: We're proproud. We're very proud to support you and Saint
Speaker 1: Jude in the fight and childhood cancer. And we're all
Speaker 1: in your corner, Fletcher, go get him. So I have
Speaker 1: the Browns pick. With the tenth pick in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select Jedrick Wills, tackle Alabama.
Speaker 1: I hope you'd like if Edrick Wills out of Alabama
Speaker 1: the second offensive tackle on the board. Sorry to cut
Speaker 1: you off. The their day, the Browns drive to the
Speaker 1: best offensive tackle on the yah. I think the big
Speaker 1: question with him again playing right tackle at Alabama in
Speaker 1: high school, can he make that transition to the left
Speaker 1: side exactly what the Browns need. They signed Conklin from agency,
Speaker 1: who is been the right tackle most of his pro career,
Speaker 1: and so that's where he's gonna play in Cleveland. Jedrick Wills,
Speaker 1: it's there's a projection to from on left side, but
Speaker 1: I think he's all the talented do it. I think
Speaker 1: that he was top five player on my board. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, I think the Browns is drafted the best
Speaker 1: tackle in this draft. They're a little fist pump in there, Dane.
Speaker 1: We know you're happy now out of the top ten picks,
Speaker 1: there hasn't been any shifting. There have been no trade
Speaker 1: so far, and really it's almost been chalk. It's kind
Speaker 1: of what we expected. There hasn't been a whole lot
Speaker 1: of craziness. I think the next ten picks that could
Speaker 1: pick up a little bit. Now, if we're going off
Speaker 1: of some of the mock drafts, this is where the
Speaker 1: hy receiver sweet spot is. You've got Cduam, Jerry Judy,
Speaker 1: Henry Rubs the third all right here, the Jets, the Raiders,
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers, Buccaneers, Broncos. The next five picks
Speaker 1: could really use some wide receiver help, but they could
Speaker 1: also use some offensive line help. Some of those tackles
Speaker 1: are still available. And then you also got some of
Speaker 1: the better defenders on the on the board here as well. Guys,
Speaker 1: the Jets, I'd feel pretty good about, you know, Worf's
Speaker 1: the idea of getting Worf's at pick eleven. I know
Speaker 1: the dude to wide receiver help that they do have
Speaker 1: to help Sam Donald out, but you know they did
Speaker 1: Advershod Perriman, which is not like, hey, you know, but
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of help at wide receiver. After
Speaker 1: losing Robbie Anderson. But you know, Tristan Worf's, I think
Speaker 1: is a pretty good name. If I was the Jets
Speaker 1: or the Browns and you're gonna tell me, Okay Wills
Speaker 1: or Worf's, we're gonna be there, you know, might make
Speaker 1: a little sense to to go ahead and pull the trigger.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a pick that makes the most
Speaker 1: sense to me. I Hey, I'm gonna plug in my
Speaker 1: computer and charge it up and also refill my diet
Speaker 1: PEPSI I'll be I'll be bag plug there. Nice plug now.
Speaker 1: Of course, with the Jets also kind of needing some
Speaker 1: offensive line help, like like Katie was just saying, how
Speaker 1: big would that be for Dallas, the fact that maybe
Speaker 1: the wide receivers are still on the board here if
Speaker 1: they end up with an offensive tackle. I don't want
Speaker 1: to speak it into existence because I don't want to
Speaker 1: get my hopes up. We're still we're too far away,
Speaker 1: We're too far away from pick seventeen for me to
Speaker 1: be thinking about a Jerry Judy or CD Lamb slide.
Speaker 1: That would be um way too convenient. Especially you know,
Speaker 1: Denver's still still on the board. Oakland or not Oakland,
Speaker 1: Las Vegas is still on the board. There's way too
Speaker 1: many landing spots for those guys to get excited. Hey,
Speaker 1: but whether no matter what, it is the griddle of
Speaker 1: Team forty Burgers starting to heat up a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's starting No, I don't know. I'm just saying now
Speaker 1: one thing I was just reminded of. It's not just
Speaker 1: us here on this stream. We've also got some inside looks.
Speaker 1: We've got the Jerry Jones war room cam that we
Speaker 1: can go into, We've got Mike McCarthy's war room cam,
Speaker 1: and will continue to look through a couple of those
Speaker 1: as we take a look inside right now as some
Speaker 1: of the deals and the wheeling and dealing could potentially
Speaker 1: be going on here now. Of course Team Trade Down
Speaker 1: wouldn't be too happy about it, but there's some spots
Speaker 1: up here. You could potentially look at Jerry looking pretty
Speaker 1: settled right now in his very comfy and very pristine
Speaker 1: looking war room inside his house. But I think there's
Speaker 1: options here when it comes to the Cowboys. Now you're
Speaker 1: starting to look at some of those potential prospects one
Speaker 1: already off the board and C. J. Henderson. But these
Speaker 1: are guys that you at least had to do your
Speaker 1: due diligence on in the middle of the draft process.
Speaker 1: And however, the next six picks go, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: huge at how things are going to turn out at seventeen.
Speaker 1: Let's when you look at the next few picks, the Jets,
Speaker 1: I'd be pretty surprised they don't book tackle here to
Speaker 1: protect Sam Darnold. And I think it'd be tempting to
Speaker 1: go with one of the receivers, especially none of them
Speaker 1: off the board yet, but I think it's more likely
Speaker 1: to tackle. And then you know, I think that's when
Speaker 1: we start talking about these receivers with the Raiders. I
Speaker 1: think the Broncos are still in play a clause to
Speaker 1: make a move up. So it still surprised we haven't
Speaker 1: seen any trade action, but it's it's been pretty much
Speaker 1: chalk so far. But it just saw come across my timeline.
Speaker 1: This is the first time there hasn't been a trade
Speaker 1: in the top ten since twenty fifteen out You can't
Speaker 1: tell me. I have to believe. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say they're scared, but I just think you know, you're
Speaker 1: talking about an incomplete data set. You know, the whole
Speaker 1: process got turned on its head by COVID nineteen. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of these teams are like, man, let's
Speaker 1: just let's just try to be smart and safe, and
Speaker 1: we can get crazy when we when it's easier to
Speaker 1: do so, you know. And that's not to say there
Speaker 1: won't be a trade in the first round, but at
Speaker 1: least while these blue chip players are going off the board,
Speaker 1: people are like, ah, maybe maybe let's wait for a
Speaker 1: more opportune time to try to get nuts. Well. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good point because even going into it,
Speaker 1: we were asking the question, how tough is it going
Speaker 1: to end up being to make a trade, to get
Speaker 1: on the phone and to try and at least pull
Speaker 1: the trigger on some of these deals. Especially, I don't
Speaker 1: think the communication between teams would be necessarily the hard part.
Speaker 1: It might be the communication between your own organization and
Speaker 1: having everyone in separate rooms. You're not in that war
Speaker 1: room where you can kind of have that back to
Speaker 1: back conversation and say, hey, let's go up and get
Speaker 1: a guy here, or hey, I like this guy, we
Speaker 1: don't have a chance to get him at seventeen, let's
Speaker 1: go make a trade. There's plenty of those those conversations
Speaker 1: that happen in a war room, they may not happen
Speaker 1: as organically as we normally would think, at least in
Speaker 1: the middle of a virtual reality in which we live
Speaker 1: in right now. For the sake of conversation, any name,
Speaker 1: if you're at seventeen, any name that jumps out at
Speaker 1: you that would make you want to get on the
Speaker 1: horn to maybe move up to eleven or twelve. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: ceedee lamb. But I can't do it, man. I need
Speaker 1: I need these picks, and and I feel good about
Speaker 1: who's still there with what you know, six picks to go.
Speaker 1: How bad do you want Chase On? I mean, I'd
Speaker 1: be happy to draft Chase On, but I don't need
Speaker 1: to trade up for him, Okay, with Terrell or digs
Speaker 1: see if you stay put? Okay, is is the right word?
Speaker 1: I'd be Okay, I'm not gonna be celebrating, but I'm
Speaker 1: fine with that. Well, and the pick gets in here
Speaker 1: for the Jets, by the way, go for it, Katie.
Speaker 1: We're still in the range where you'd have to give
Speaker 1: up your second to move up this far. Um. Maybe
Speaker 1: we can rehash this in or maybe we'll open up
Speaker 1: the discussion again in a minute to where you get
Speaker 1: to the conversation, you can get to thirteen probably for
Speaker 1: like a third round pick, and we know San Francisco
Speaker 1: doesn't want to keep that pick. But it's I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, man, this receiver class is
Speaker 1: so loaded. How am I getting rid of a guy?
Speaker 1: We'll think about it this way, Dave. If the offensive
Speaker 1: tackle is where the Jets end up going here at
Speaker 1: pick eleven, then that guarantees that either Ceedee Lamb or
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy are going to be there at thirteen. Would
Speaker 1: you trade a third round pick to go get Jerry
Speaker 1: Judy or Ceedee Lamb? Oh? Because the receiver class is
Speaker 1: deep and I need picks. I need players, y'all. Like
Speaker 1: this team isn't one player away? Dave. Yeah, I said
Speaker 1: it's just for the sake of discussion. I know, no,
Speaker 1: But like I can feel y'all, I can feel y'all
Speaker 1: pushing me toward the edge. You're trying to get me
Speaker 1: to jump off. Well, who are you team forty Burger?
Speaker 1: Are you captain? Trade down? Where are you happening here?
Speaker 1: I'm team responsible drafting most of all. That's my number
Speaker 1: one priority here is Roger Goodell with the eleventh pick
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty NFL Draft the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: Flack Macai Beckton Tackleuisville Wow McKay. Beckton, tackle of Louisville,
Speaker 1: is the pick at pick eleven for the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: The wide receivers are still on the board here, Dave,
Speaker 1: I say, Kyle, there's a lot of land mines left
Speaker 1: to navigate. Man. I like pushing you to the edge.
Speaker 1: I want you to don't want you to come. I'm
Speaker 1: getting Nancy. Yeah, Beck Then, I don't think there's a
Speaker 1: big surprise here. Just six seven and a half three
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five pounds. He has the most upside
Speaker 1: of this group of tackles. Just he benefits from the
Speaker 1: planet three. There's so many people on this planet that
Speaker 1: are I can move like that at that length. Um,
Speaker 1: I feel really feel good for us. Sam Darnell, he's
Speaker 1: finally gets protection, uh be able to help him keep
Speaker 1: him time to throw the ball down the field. So
Speaker 1: not a surprise, as he becked in here A little
Speaker 1: surprised that Tristan Worse is going to be the fourth
Speaker 1: cool drafted among this group. I don't think it's to
Speaker 1: wait very long. I don't think he's gonna get past
Speaker 1: Tampa at fourteen at the latest. But now this is
Speaker 1: where we start to see the run on receivers. I
Speaker 1: think it's starting here with Las Vegas and then with
Speaker 1: San Francisco at thirteen. A good chance we see two
Speaker 1: receivers here if as long as they don't trade it out.
Speaker 1: Fuked a lot about Atlanta at sixteen, Denver at fifteen.
Speaker 1: Teams who might want to move up. You know, that's
Speaker 1: a teams to keep an eye on if if there
Speaker 1: were to be some trade action right there. With Beckton,
Speaker 1: it's pretty incredible watching him on tape. You just don't
Speaker 1: see many guys who are that big move that well.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a freak of nature man to be
Speaker 1: that huge, you know. You think the bigger guys that
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, oh, the Orlando Brown, well he
Speaker 1: couldn't move very well. Ended up being a solid player too.
Speaker 1: But McKay beck Dion can actually bend a little bit
Speaker 1: and move. You would see him kind of in latent
Speaker 1: games were down a little bit sometimes watching on tape
Speaker 1: and you'd see that kind of be a little bit
Speaker 1: of an issue, and we start playing a little bit
Speaker 1: a little bit higher, but I mean six seven, three
Speaker 1: sixty five. There's probably a little bit you know, bust there,
Speaker 1: but really great player, really fun to watch on tape
Speaker 1: as well in preparation for the draft. The thing is
Speaker 1: is he was a basketball player back in high school.
Speaker 1: He's got that basketball background. I really wanted to see
Speaker 1: him run those change of direction drills at the combine.
Speaker 1: Didn't run a ton of those, and of course didn't
Speaker 1: have a pro day to run it at either. But
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the largest offensive tackle in the class
Speaker 1: in terms of weight, and he's actually the largest to
Speaker 1: run a sub five to forty in the forty yard
Speaker 1: dash in Indianapolis since two thousand and six, I believe
Speaker 1: it's it's been more than a decade since we've seen
Speaker 1: a player of his size move the way that he does.
Speaker 1: That's why I really wanted to see those types of
Speaker 1: change of direction drills with the tone and and things
Speaker 1: like that. But I really do like him fundamentally because
Speaker 1: I think he's got room to grow, and maybe that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why he was picked against or
Speaker 1: above Tristan Worse. But I don't think he's reached that
Speaker 1: ceiling yet, and I think That's why you look at
Speaker 1: this as a great pick for the Jets who are
Speaker 1: trying to protect Lady on Bell Sam Darnold, who's had
Speaker 1: some injury issues in the past. It makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. Yeah, Dan, how how surprised are you that
Speaker 1: of all the tackles that are gone, How surprised are
Speaker 1: you that Worse is still on the board. Surprised? He
Speaker 1: was my number two ranked tackle? Is my number two
Speaker 1: ranked tackle ahead effect and ahead of columnus. I think
Speaker 1: the questions that come back is he can he play tackle?
Speaker 1: Is he a guard? Of these four guys had to
Speaker 1: be the fourth drafted, you know, and it just happens
Speaker 1: that it's going to be Worse. But I'm be surprised
Speaker 1: if he gets past the bucks at fourteen, I plug
Speaker 1: him in a right tackle and protect Tom Brady. I
Speaker 1: think that'd be a natural fit there. Worfs was an
Speaker 1: absolute workout warrior at the combine, plus he came in
Speaker 1: with thirty four inch arms, plus the tapes good. I
Speaker 1: mean with Worfs, you know there are times where he oversets,
Speaker 1: and you know there's some things about him that he
Speaker 1: needs to tighten up. But still, this is a really
Speaker 1: good player who I don't think I have to wait
Speaker 1: very long to hear his name. Cole how the pick
Speaker 1: is in for the Las Vegas Raiders, I get a
Speaker 1: chance to say that for the first time. That's kind
Speaker 1: of fun. But the Las Vengers, it's really not a
Speaker 1: foregone conclusion. But I feel like we're pretty confident that
Speaker 1: this is going to be a wide receiver. The question
Speaker 1: is Ceedee Lamb, Henry Rubs the third, or Jerry Judy.
Speaker 1: Which of the three are the ones that are going
Speaker 1: to the Raiders. And if you go back to John Gruden,
Speaker 1: he likes kind of taking the against the grain. He
Speaker 1: likes some of those different picks. He likes some speed guys.
Speaker 1: It may be a little bit different than Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: or even Jerry. Here's the commission part of this draft,
Speaker 1: including the first ever official draft selection by the Las
Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders, and I've got it right here. So with
Speaker 1: the twelfth pick of the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders select Henry Ruggs, wide receiver, Henry Rubs
Speaker 1: the third. What a change. You can change the regime,
Speaker 1: but you can't change the DNA of the franchise. They're
Speaker 1: always gonna take the facts of this guy. What are
Speaker 1: Raiders pick? Yeah, classic Raiders. Wow, that's that's that's I
Speaker 1: guess it's sort of surprise that Henry Ruggs is the
Speaker 1: first receiver drafted. Uh, I mean, what's that speed? That
Speaker 1: exploded space of his tape is just silly with the
Speaker 1: corners of shot. The closest thing to Tyreek Hill in
Speaker 1: this draft is Henry Ruggs. And who is more familiar
Speaker 1: with Tyreek Hill than the Raiders haven't played him waste
Speaker 1: a year in that division. This is the this is
Speaker 1: their answer to Tyree Hill is to draft their own
Speaker 1: version of that, uh, for the Las Vegas Raiders. So
Speaker 1: this is a fascinating pick. Uh. There was no consensus
Speaker 1: on these receivers who would be the first one drafted,
Speaker 1: so interesting that it ended up being Henry Ruggs. I
Speaker 1: like about him is as fast as you are? Didn't
Speaker 1: the really the ability to stop? I remember talking about, uh,
Speaker 1: you know Luca don Chet's with the Mavericks, his deceleration
Speaker 1: and how that throws off defenders. Henry Ruggs, we know
Speaker 1: the speed, we know the four two seven combine time,
Speaker 1: forty comment time, but we watch him on tape the
Speaker 1: ability to stop just really quickly. He's just he's as
Speaker 1: dynamic as they come. And uh, you know, not my
Speaker 1: number one graded wide receiver. But it's hard to blame
Speaker 1: Las Vegas at all for taking that pick. That's a
Speaker 1: great player. Crazy. If I think it is easy to
Speaker 1: blame them, I mean he must not be a Mayock fan.
Speaker 1: I just think CD Lamb offers you the same explosive
Speaker 1: playmaking ability with better route running, just a better all
Speaker 1: around game. Am I crazy? Dan? Am I crazy? I
Speaker 1: think the Big twelve is part partly to blame for that,
Speaker 1: with some of the bad tackling in that that conference.
Speaker 1: Uh like Ceedee, Lamb's no question a better route runner.
Speaker 1: He is better at the catch point, but in terms
Speaker 1: of explosiveness, in terms of the ability to create separation
Speaker 1: and then create after the catch. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any any comparison between these two guys. Henry Ruggs is
Speaker 1: just he puts corners in a blender and does not
Speaker 1: let them get out alive. He has some special special ability,
Speaker 1: And I like CD Lamb is my top receiver, so
Speaker 1: I still think very highly of him. I think he's
Speaker 1: more DeAndre Hopkins where I think Henry Ruggs is more
Speaker 1: Tyreek kill and both are going to make an impact immediately.
Speaker 1: But I can't go wrong. I do want to point
Speaker 1: this out. The phone is ringing off the hook in
Speaker 1: San Francisco right now, any of that right now because
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb is there and San Francisco has been very
Speaker 1: adamant about the fact they want out of this pick.
Speaker 1: But now that Ceedee Lambs sitting on the table for
Speaker 1: him at thirteen, are they even going to pick up
Speaker 1: the phone now? I wouldn't Could could dt be a
Speaker 1: play here, Kim Law to help replace the Forrest Buttner.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's something they would do, but
Speaker 1: they're they're picking here because they traded to Forrest Buckner
Speaker 1: to the Colts. That's a pretty good way to restock
Speaker 1: the cupboard right there, and be to take javon Kin Law,
Speaker 1: assuming they were down with the medicals, that would make
Speaker 1: some sense. I know that's in our beat writer mock
Speaker 1: draft at the Athletic. I know that's where our San
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers beat writer went was javon Kin
Speaker 1: Law at thirteen. And you have to wonder, you know
Speaker 1: one reason Dante Pettis isn't working out with the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers. Is just he doesn't have I think the
Speaker 1: toughness that Kyle Shanahan wants. How does he view a
Speaker 1: guy like Jerry Judy, who is very similar to a
Speaker 1: Dante Pettis type. Does he think that Jerry Judy has
Speaker 1: that type of toughness? What about Ceedee Lamb? How does
Speaker 1: he fit within that offense? So? I think you know,
Speaker 1: if they're are they getting the trade action? Do they
Speaker 1: see a receiver that they want badly enough? Here? At
Speaker 1: this point, I don't think forty nine ers they have
Speaker 1: picks thirteen and thirty one. I'd be pretty surprised that
Speaker 1: they've made both of those picks. I think they're a
Speaker 1: trade out of at least one of them. It could
Speaker 1: be here, but are we I'm still shocked. We're still
Speaker 1: waiting for our first trade us say that Henry Ruggs
Speaker 1: just put on an old Spice Rowe what a legend
Speaker 1: at his house, earning some Brownie points with Menie Spice.
Speaker 1: I would have really liked to see what he would
Speaker 1: have done picked by the Raiders. You talk about the
Speaker 1: flashiness of John Gruten, but hey, he's a he's a
Speaker 1: flashy guy himself. He loves the attension and the spotlight.
Speaker 1: It would have been fun to see him walk across
Speaker 1: the stage. But ceedee Lamb, Jerry Judy. And then you
Speaker 1: also got a couple spots behind the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: that could potentially pull up a wide receiver in the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers at fourteen. I know they've got other needs other
Speaker 1: than a wide receiver. But you've got the Broncos and
Speaker 1: the Falcons of fifteen and sixteen, and then you get
Speaker 1: to our Dallas Cowboys, so there's a lot of I
Speaker 1: think we might be getting some I'm sorry, Kyle, I
Speaker 1: think that we might be getting a little action here.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the forty nine ers are going
Speaker 1: to be the team that makes this pick right here. Oh? Really,
Speaker 1: do you have some insider information there, kat Well? I
Speaker 1: figured out are they gonna if we'll get the audio
Speaker 1: of it. I was the commissioner going to come out
Speaker 1: and announce trades? Should I just go ahead and say
Speaker 1: one of the rules. Yeah, let's go ahead and say it.
Speaker 1: Don't believe me in the dark, bro, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: spoil anything. Multiple reports on Putter saying that Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: is sliding up one whoa okay, interesting trading with the Bucks.
Speaker 1: So that's Ian Rappaport reporting that it just makes too
Speaker 1: much sense to for Tampa to get a tackle for
Speaker 1: for Tampa, Tom Tampa Bay that's worried that team would
Speaker 1: trade in front of them to get worse. It's always interesting.
Speaker 1: It's always just when you have that one street up,
Speaker 1: you know that that one spot because I mean San
Speaker 1: Francisco is definitely in play for an offensive tackle when
Speaker 1: you look at you know, Joe Statily's not a spring chicken,
Speaker 1: and Mike McGlinchey on one side, they could they could
Speaker 1: go tackle at some point in the first round here.
Speaker 1: But interesting that they Tampa made that move one spot
Speaker 1: up to eliminate any possibility of maybe worth not falling
Speaker 1: there are we sure worse is the pick? I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: But if it is worse, that is the most clearly
Speaker 1: defined tier uh in terms of a position group maybe
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, Like, okay, there's there's where the good
Speaker 1: guys are going. Now here's the okay, tackle are next?
Speaker 1: Like if that's the pick, but we'll see. I can't imagine,
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine Tampa's doing this for a
Speaker 1: receiver when they have Godwin and Evans and they just
Speaker 1: got Bronk back. I just so, what would they do
Speaker 1: this for? One seventeen goes to San Francisco. So San
Speaker 1: Francisco gets fourteen and one seventeen that's a fourth rounderth rounder.
Speaker 1: And then Tampa Bay we'll go to thirteen and they'll
Speaker 1: pick up a seventh rounder from San Francisco, their last
Speaker 1: seventh round pick in the draft. Now it puts Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers at fourteen, though if you're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it might be a little bit cheaper for you to
Speaker 1: move from seventeen to fourteen if you like a guy,
Speaker 1: Does that change your mind? Dave? Do you? Hey? Do
Speaker 1: you at least meet the offer of a fourth rounder
Speaker 1: plus seventeen to go get your guy? Do you at
Speaker 1: least try to make that offer? Right? If it's a
Speaker 1: fourth rounder, I just can't be given up top one
Speaker 1: hundred picks. But also, look at look at this lists,
Speaker 1: and I mean, don't you feel pretty damn good about
Speaker 1: who's gonna be there for you right now? And I know,
Speaker 1: I mean there's still there's still some picks in front
Speaker 1: of them. I mean, you're we're targeting a certain player.
Speaker 1: Right we're talking about Chaseall So I think you're still
Speaker 1: worried about sixteen Atlanta. Yep, I'm counting on Atlanta to
Speaker 1: draft Javon ken Law, who I don't think the Cowboys won.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm perfect I don't know what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: feel about ken Law's medicals, but I'm perfectly comfortable taking
Speaker 1: ken Law Chase on Jerry Judy or CD Lamb. And
Speaker 1: I know that we feel like they need to go defense.
Speaker 1: But I feel like if you look past Cooper, who's
Speaker 1: got an injury history, I feel like this is a
Speaker 1: team that needs to pick up two wide receivers in
Speaker 1: this draft, because wide receiver three right now for them
Speaker 1: is Cedric Wilson. I'm one hundred percent with you. I am.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, Dan, I hear you. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I only have to give up a four round pick,
Speaker 1: if they feel that strongly about Chase on the question
Speaker 1: just is do they feel that strongly or do they
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, that's the best case scenario. We'll
Speaker 1: take our chances with what's there, Jason, And you're looking
Speaker 1: at the corner, and that's where we get to a
Speaker 1: j Terrell and Trevant Digs and are those guys really
Speaker 1: worthy of top twenty picks. I mean it's debatable where
Speaker 1: I think Jason, I don't think there's much debate. He
Speaker 1: is to at least in my mind, a much better
Speaker 1: prospect than those those other guys. The thing that gives
Speaker 1: me pause is that I'm starting to wonder if these
Speaker 1: if one of these receivers is going to be there,
Speaker 1: because I don't think the Cowboys wanted d after receiver,
Speaker 1: but I do think that they would have to take
Speaker 1: a longheartened at either Ceedee Lamb or Jerry Judy. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean the Broncos want a receiver, the Niners might
Speaker 1: want a receiver. So it's not just the pick for
Speaker 1: your courage and sacrifice on behalf of our country. The
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers have created the thirteenth pick
Speaker 1: to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. With the thirteenth pick in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select
Speaker 1: Tristan Worf's pack home Yoma. Triston worse offensive tackle out
Speaker 1: of Iowa, is the pick thirteenth overall to the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. They give up pick one seventeen to move
Speaker 1: up one spot. I think this is genius GM move
Speaker 1: by San Francisco. You give up one spot, you're potentially
Speaker 1: still gonna get the guy you're gonna draft anyways, and
Speaker 1: you pick up a top one hundred and twenty pick.
Speaker 1: But it's also great for the Buccaneers because now they
Speaker 1: get a chance to protect their new goat quarterback, mister
Speaker 1: Tom Brady back there as well. The thing with the
Speaker 1: Bucks is they have a different motivation because they know
Speaker 1: they have a small window right now and they couldn't
Speaker 1: afford a miss on one of these top tackles, you know,
Speaker 1: because if Tristan Worfs goes thirteen to San Francisco or
Speaker 1: someone else, then they have to did they reach on
Speaker 1: that X group Austin Jackson, israc Cleveland or do they
Speaker 1: go a different position. They took all doubt out of
Speaker 1: it and went and get their guys. So I thought
Speaker 1: both Pampa Bay and making this happen for a great career.
Speaker 1: John Lynch a fourth, Hey Dave four picks till the
Speaker 1: Cowboys pick. I have Chason, I have Javon kin Law,
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle from South Carolina. I have Jerry Judy.
Speaker 1: I have Ceedee Lamb on my board. Those are my
Speaker 1: four far and away highest graded players right now, four
Speaker 1: best available right there to me. I know we would
Speaker 1: need to get cornerback help. I know that's the thing,
Speaker 1: no excuses. One of those four guys needs to be
Speaker 1: your pick at seventeen and key designation. It's three picks
Speaker 1: until the Cowboys are on the clock. So one of
Speaker 1: those four is guaranteed to be there. And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to trade. I like my odds that
Speaker 1: Chason can hang on, and I want to see what
Speaker 1: happens with these receivers. When you also got to think
Speaker 1: about how happy right now the Broncos are. That's a
Speaker 1: team that wants a wide receiver in the first round,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have their pick of either Jerry Judy
Speaker 1: or Cede Lamb. So there goes one of the guys
Speaker 1: those wide receivers. It's most likely gonna be Ken Lawn
Speaker 1: Chase on as those top two guys. At least out
Speaker 1: of those four, it's gonna be whoever the Falcons like
Speaker 1: the most that's picked at sixteen. It's gonna be the
Speaker 1: one they had on lower on their board. That's available
Speaker 1: at seventeen, but there's still a lot of things that
Speaker 1: can kind of go out in these next three picks.
Speaker 1: This is what we were worried about. This is kind
Speaker 1: of that tease that Cowboys Nation has been talking about,
Speaker 1: because the teams in front of you have similar needs
Speaker 1: to you. So as soon as the boards kind of
Speaker 1: starts filing out the way that it has gets you excited,
Speaker 1: but even then it's still could at least crush your dreams.
Speaker 1: It's totally possible that these next two picks could be
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy and CD Lamb and Saul. Conversation was moving
Speaker 1: how I don't think it's moot though, because if you're'm
Speaker 1: not getting a wide receiver but Chase on or kin Law,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you be happy with one of those guys? And
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, I'm wrong all the time, but
Speaker 1: just doing this job knowing people around the organization, I
Speaker 1: don't get the sense that they want to draft Javon Kinlow.
Speaker 1: So I I think I think you're right, and we've
Speaker 1: got three picks. San Francisco Denver who said could be
Speaker 1: back to back receivers here and then at sixteen, to me,
Speaker 1: that looks like Chase on and so I mean, we're
Speaker 1: getting to the area where I mean, if I'm maybe
Speaker 1: it's not maybe maybe one of these two teams, Atlanta
Speaker 1: or Dallas, maybe they prefer an A J T. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe they prefer a DIGS. You have both these teams,
Speaker 1: Atlanta and Dallas needs a corner. It's possible. But once
Speaker 1: we get closer, once Denver's on the clock, I mean,
Speaker 1: do you do you call them and see if you
Speaker 1: make a move. I mean, would you? I know you
Speaker 1: hate giving up draft picks, but as soon as you
Speaker 1: told me it didn't have to be a top one
Speaker 1: hundred pick, I my radar picked up. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I gotta, if I got a part with a Day
Speaker 1: three pick to get my guy, I can stomach that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now we're in we're in that territory where I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to cost a top one hundred
Speaker 1: pick to do it. Dane, you're telling like, I can't
Speaker 1: draft Lynn Bowden if I don't have pick one twenty three. Man,
Speaker 1: Come on, it's also true, but this is something work
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Think about the sting it would feel if
Speaker 1: you lose your guy at sixteen and you know the
Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, I would feel just deflated
Speaker 1: and I've got to go with my plan B. To me,
Speaker 1: draft god, I am just a lowly lsu homer and
Speaker 1: sports fighter. You told me, is Caleban Chason worth going
Speaker 1: to get for that price? Rounder? Yeah? Yes, absolutely? Okay,
Speaker 1: because what's your plan B that I guess that that's
Speaker 1: the quarterback I don't feel great about and hope for
Speaker 1: the best, and that's in Chason's not the you know,
Speaker 1: he's not a top ten player in this draft, at
Speaker 1: least in my opinion, but he's a good player and
Speaker 1: part of why I would go up and get him
Speaker 1: because I don't feel quit about the plan B options. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you're telling me you don't feel good about ken
Speaker 1: Law's medicals at all too, because that would be my
Speaker 1: plan B if I could take Jalen Smith at pick
Speaker 1: thirty four, that I can pretty much. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I'm willing to kind of kind of roll the dice
Speaker 1: on medicals. You've kind of proven you've got a track
Speaker 1: record on that one of like you know what red
Speaker 1: flag there will be? Okay, where do you feel worse
Speaker 1: about backs than knees? I mean, don Terry Poe Gerald McCoy.
Speaker 1: We still, you know, we can't forget about the second
Speaker 1: round of Flash Year. I mean, I don't know, defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: To me, you've a group of guys you can you
Speaker 1: can play with, and as much as I'd like Javon
Speaker 1: kin Law, I would rather go with I'd rather chase
Speaker 1: on myself. Well, and the fact that San Francisco is
Speaker 1: still kind of taking their time here doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 1: that they're going to be the ones making this pick.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been on the clock almost for what
Speaker 1: twenty minutes now, because they had the pick prior traded
Speaker 1: it to the Buccaneers, and now they're still on the
Speaker 1: clock and the pick is not in at least at
Speaker 1: the moment. So there's still plenty of shifting to be said.
Speaker 1: Whenever the forty nine ers are done with this, if
Speaker 1: they end up trading out of this pick, then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you may see somebody else come in
Speaker 1: and take one of these guys, depending on how high
Speaker 1: they are on the board. But I tend to agree
Speaker 1: with you, guys, I think right now, overall, it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily Javon kin Laws the top guy out of those
Speaker 1: four that Kat was mentioning earlier out of Chase on
Speaker 1: Kin Law rugs or excuse me, Lamb and Judy out
Speaker 1: of those four guys kin Laws. Definitely, I believe the
Speaker 1: least of that, which is crazy to talk about. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's the medicals, maybe it's the feeling we have being
Speaker 1: around this organization, but it's definitely not necessarily lining up
Speaker 1: at least for seventeen to be the value pick you
Speaker 1: wanted to be plats of having some bandwidth issues and
Speaker 1: and maybe skip that pick, and maybe that throws a
Speaker 1: little wrench. We just need one of these three teams
Speaker 1: to do something crazy. I remember I'll never forget how
Speaker 1: shocked I was when the Raiders picked Cleveland Farrell fourth
Speaker 1: overall last year, Like nobody in the world saw that coming.
Speaker 1: So we haven't. We haven't had anything like that so far.
Speaker 1: We just need one of these three teams. We need
Speaker 1: John Elway to be like Jordan Love, You're our guy.
Speaker 1: That's what we need here. And then something crazy though,
Speaker 1: because what if they don't go wide receiver that's gonna go?
Speaker 1: They just a tackle maybe law that would be interesting.
Speaker 1: I would have said offensive tackle, but they just traded
Speaker 1: away from the best available. So that doesn't seem likely. Yea,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they had some kind law buzz leading
Speaker 1: up to this. They had a lot of kin law
Speaker 1: buzz and that debot. They weren't able to get a
Speaker 1: trade for Marquis goodwoman. They weren't able to make that move.
Speaker 1: I think restock in the cupboard is a genius move
Speaker 1: if you're final. As long as we're doing this, Katie
Speaker 1: started this precedent at a Oh no, I almost got oh,
Speaker 1: I almost got faked. It was a fake one do anything. No,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything. It was a fake tweet. I
Speaker 1: caught myself. It was a freaking thing. It was a fake.
Speaker 1: Here's Roger Goodell with a pick. Guys, I'm not tipping
Speaker 1: them tonight. Let's just go going. I am just got
Speaker 1: with the fourteenth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft
Speaker 1: to San Francisco, forty nine Ers select Javon kin Law,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle Javon Kimi. South Carolina goes to San Francisco
Speaker 1: at fourteen. That is huge. Let's go baby hot. So
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers basically trade the boner for a
Speaker 1: younger version at someone that is a ton of ability,
Speaker 1: that is you know, just six five through twenty five
Speaker 1: with Figers ability, that's interesting adding him to the mix there,
Speaker 1: Uh Seriusisco defensive line. Talk about strengthening a strength. That's
Speaker 1: what the Niners doing. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've done a pretty good job of drafting
Speaker 1: up the middle there. Um, it's got you get you
Speaker 1: some great success and able to go get wide receivers
Speaker 1: later in the drift. I know they don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of picks, but we'll see they've got action at
Speaker 1: thirty one. You know, maybe they could have their eyes
Speaker 1: on someone like a Jalen Raker, maybe someone like that,
Speaker 1: you know, Tee Haggins. We can throw out all the
Speaker 1: names from that next tier of wide receivers the point
Speaker 1: of disc us and now leads us to this three
Speaker 1: picks until the Cowboys are on the clock. Three big
Speaker 1: names on the board Ceedee Lamb the wide receiver Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy the wide receiver Alabama, and calebon Chase on
Speaker 1: the edge from LSU. It's definitely something that we kind
Speaker 1: of talked about early in the season or in the
Speaker 1: offseason rather, was with these wide receivers and it being
Speaker 1: such a deep class. What was the possibility that these guys,
Speaker 1: even these top guys, are gonna slip because teams think
Speaker 1: they could pick one up later. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: necessarily the case for the Cowboys, because when you get
Speaker 1: to fifty one, that's a little bit of an issue.
Speaker 1: But you've got some wide receivers here. You've got Chase On,
Speaker 1: the guy that we really have pegged as a Cowboys target.
Speaker 1: Really from the beginning, it's not a certain that either
Speaker 1: one of those guys are going to be there. But
Speaker 1: either Jerry Judy, Ceedee Lamb or Calebon Chase On are
Speaker 1: gonna be on the clock when the Cowboys pick at seventeen.
Speaker 1: Now it's just who do you have higher on the board?
Speaker 1: Passing league, Let's go, Let's go, let's I mean, okay, now,
Speaker 1: actually you know, now I'm curious about Day's point about
Speaker 1: trading up with Kim Law off the board. I've got
Speaker 1: to believe Atlanta has taken a long look at Calevan Chase.
Speaker 1: I have to, I mean, I have to assume that
Speaker 1: unless they're just as they're just as enamored by these
Speaker 1: receivers of everybody else. But you know, they have a
Speaker 1: guy named Julio Jones, and they just drafted Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 1: and I literally needs corner help. So they they draft
Speaker 1: or they signed h Fowler, Ed Rusher picking free agency
Speaker 1: Tack McKinley, though it sounds like he's probably not going
Speaker 1: to be back. Uh, it doesnt sound like they're gonna
Speaker 1: pick up his fifth year option. They could use Chase
Speaker 1: use a corner, would they would they prefer a J.
Speaker 1: Terrell the third corner off the board at sixteen over
Speaker 1: the Patch Rusher. I still think dayson would be the
Speaker 1: pick sixteen Denver here, it's kind of a receiver. I
Speaker 1: would think two pair Jerry Judy or Ceedee Lamb with
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton and you know Drew Locke. You know that's
Speaker 1: that's that's you know, because it'll make some make some plays.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. This is where if I'm if
Speaker 1: I'm Dallas, I'm making that called Denver and saying, look,
Speaker 1: one of those two receivers is still gonna be there
Speaker 1: for your seventeen. Let's make a deal. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: cost that much, and I'm gonna go get Chason. It
Speaker 1: sounds the television. The television says Denver's picking so it
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like that picks getting traded. And now, if
Speaker 1: I could be brutally honest and cynical with y'all, I'm
Speaker 1: terrified about the prospect of Dallas having Jerry Judy or
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb available and not picking them. I am too.
Speaker 1: It's happening. Who do who do you have great? Who
Speaker 1: do you have great? And hire Dane Chase on Judy
Speaker 1: and uh and Lamb? Well, I mean overall Lamb duty
Speaker 1: and then Jason I study. Lamb and Judy were literally
Speaker 1: back to back in in August my first top fifty four,
Speaker 1: they were eleven and twelve. My final board they were
Speaker 1: nine and ten, so they did not move one. Lamb
Speaker 1: was first, Judy was second. They were back back the
Speaker 1: entire year. What you're saying here is that receiver, it
Speaker 1: could end up being Jerry Judy here, even with some
Speaker 1: of the injury issues, even with some of the concerns
Speaker 1: around him medically, it could still end up being Jerry Judy.
Speaker 1: And you're talking about a guy who's gonna compliment Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 1: You want a guy in the slot. You want a
Speaker 1: guy who's going to be able to at least find
Speaker 1: an easy target for Drew Lock. Jerry Judy might fit
Speaker 1: that mold a little bit better than Cede Lamb would. Oh.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be a perfect compliment for Courtland Sutton
Speaker 1: on the other side, because, yeah, Jerry Judy he can
Speaker 1: uncover it will with his route running, and that's exactly
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. Courtland Sutton's not He's not a
Speaker 1: terrible route runner, but that's not his game. He wins
Speaker 1: with size and speed and ball skills, where Jerry Judy
Speaker 1: is going to give you a little more separation at
Speaker 1: the cat and help out your quarterback. So if you want,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for complimentary receivers, Jerry Judy, no doubt.
Speaker 1: But I mean there's nothing wrong with having, you know,
Speaker 1: two types of Courtland Sutton's out there, because I think
Speaker 1: that's more of what Cede Lamb would prove into that offense.
Speaker 1: It's a great point. And John Elway is on the
Speaker 1: phone right now. He is having those conversations, and you
Speaker 1: talk about some of the drafts that they've had in
Speaker 1: the past. They need some hits on wide receivers now
Speaker 1: because they need here NFL draft, the Denver Broncos select
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy wide receiver Alabama. Congratulations, Jerry, Judy, why did
Speaker 1: some of her element of dinner at pick number fifteen?
Speaker 1: So now it's down at least in our minds. It
Speaker 1: may not be down to that in the Cowboys front
Speaker 1: office minds, but it's down to Caleb On, Chase On,
Speaker 1: and Cede Lamb. The Atlanta Falcons are on the clock,
Speaker 1: and things are starting to get a little bit exciting here, guys.
Speaker 1: Oh bit, I'm freaking the hell out, man, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about how about how about this? How about this? Let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and turn this, turn this down a little bit, Dave,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here. If Jerry or excuse me,
Speaker 1: if Ceedee Lamb is on the clock or is on
Speaker 1: the board, come pick seventeen and they don't select it,
Speaker 1: how disappointed would you be? Chase on there? No, okay,
Speaker 1: if Chase if if let's put it, If Chase on
Speaker 1: and if it's just Lamb, yeah, I'll be disappointed as hell.
Speaker 1: You're talking about it. I mean Dan just said he's
Speaker 1: like a top you know, ten, and I've been great. Okay,
Speaker 1: what about if Caleb and Chason and Ceedee Lamb are
Speaker 1: both there? Um? I I mean I me personally like,
Speaker 1: go with go with Lamb, but I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna kill him for picking chase On even I
Speaker 1: mean it's it would be a classic Cowboys maneuver, which
Speaker 1: is to window dresser board in the name of need.
Speaker 1: But I can't hate on it because I do think
Speaker 1: Chason is worth that pick um. So I mean, I'd
Speaker 1: be happy with either of those two. These are the
Speaker 1: clear two, Lamb or chase On, And it's there's a
Speaker 1: chance that turns out that that's all you got to
Speaker 1: choose for him right there. I mean, I said, take it,
Speaker 1: take that back a J. Terrell, all these names, digs
Speaker 1: talked about them all. It's Lamb or chase On. They're
Speaker 1: did you think Lamb would be there? Quite frankly, ceedee.
Speaker 1: Lamb for me grated quite a bit higher than Calebon Chason.
Speaker 1: This is no brainer. If he's there on the board,
Speaker 1: you take it. He's your wide receiver. Three. You're gonna
Speaker 1: go score a bunch of points and you're gonna see
Speaker 1: if we can cover. We're gonna get aggressive, We're gonna
Speaker 1: get some more turnovers that we have in the past.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna play a safe on defense. This is
Speaker 1: and there's and we're gonna attack defense here on day two.
Speaker 1: This is just look remember the focus here. We talked
Speaker 1: about how they could go Chase On, but corner is
Speaker 1: their top need. And I know they were making calls
Speaker 1: to the top ten because they wanted to see about
Speaker 1: going up against CJ. Henderson. They make calls to get
Speaker 1: into the top five to go get Okuda, So they're
Speaker 1: still looking at corner here. You cannot rule out an
Speaker 1: AJ Terrell pick here at number sixteen, which I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would love because then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you are you're picking between Chase On and CD Lap
Speaker 1: at that point. So but I would hate because we
Speaker 1: know what they would do. Yeah, No, that's that's two
Speaker 1: good players there. Yeah, you're right, You're right, it would
Speaker 1: be It would be better than the Cowboys going a J.
Speaker 1: Terrell over CD Lamp. Yes, big facts. Well, and also
Speaker 1: you got to think about overall if they end up
Speaker 1: going corner and both of those individuals are there. You
Speaker 1: talked about addressing your your team need is need at
Speaker 1: wide receiver bigger than we thought. We kind of had
Speaker 1: that as a top the conversation going up to the
Speaker 1: draft So even with Chason and Ceedee Lamb being there,
Speaker 1: which I don't think any of us really saw happening.
Speaker 1: If that was the case, it looks like at least
Speaker 1: right now, team forty Burger is having a better conversation
Speaker 1: than captain. Trade down would be at least out of
Speaker 1: the themes that we've had on the draft show. I think,
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know, I don't ever speak too soon,
Speaker 1: but like I feel like trading down is is gone
Speaker 1: now because one way or another, guy, a guy with
Speaker 1: a great grade is gonna be there. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: the guy that you've had targeted this whole time, or
Speaker 1: maybe this five receiver that is a consensus top ten prospects.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you trade away from
Speaker 1: those options. Well, let's let's reset the board. I've had
Speaker 1: seventeen for strung grades on my personal board. Three remain
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, Cleaveon Chason, and then Justin Jefferson. So they're
Speaker 1: sitting at a good spot to get one of my
Speaker 1: own personal remaining first round grades. But they might have
Speaker 1: a few more strong grades on their board if Jason
Speaker 1: goes here to sixteen. Oh man, I think when you
Speaker 1: think about that offense last year too. It's not like
Speaker 1: they were putting teams away in the second half of
Speaker 1: last year. And I know there was a lot of
Speaker 1: things going on with that Cowboys team last year. Right now,
Speaker 1: your wide receiver three is Cedric Wilson. We can talk
Speaker 1: about depth of the draft all day, but that means
Speaker 1: nothing until you show me what you drafted with that depth,
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, we can't talk about that until Friday
Speaker 1: or Saturday. Ceedee Lambs on the board at seventeen. You
Speaker 1: do it. You don't look back, You high five your friends,
Speaker 1: and you cherish. This world's going through a weird thing
Speaker 1: right now. But let's at least take a little bit
Speaker 1: of solace with that. We got Ceedee Lamb at seventeen.
Speaker 1: That is the play right here, guys, you have the choice.
Speaker 1: I will say the pick is in for Atlanta at sixteen.
Speaker 1: That the selection is still unbeknown to us, but the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are officially on the clock, so they are at
Speaker 1: least sifting through what's left on the board. It could
Speaker 1: either be calevon Chaise on Ceedee Lamb and a bevy
Speaker 1: of second tier corners. You've got every safety on the
Speaker 1: board here, as well. But the Cowboys are on the
Speaker 1: clock because Atlanta has made their selections. We're still waiting
Speaker 1: on Roger Goodell. Now, the Falcons could go with calevan
Speaker 1: Chase on here. They need some edge Rudger health, edge
Speaker 1: rusher help. Excuse me, they also need some corner help.
Speaker 1: We talked about aj Terrell, We talked about maybe a
Speaker 1: Christian Fulton in a spot like this, but there are
Speaker 1: plenty of those corners that are out there that could
Speaker 1: be at least in Atlanta and Atlanta's eyes a potential
Speaker 1: at Hick seventeen. Overall, this is where where we were worried.
Speaker 1: This is where we saw Atlanta, a team with very
Speaker 1: similar needs come up and potentially take this pick because
Speaker 1: we still await Roger Goodell. But right now things shaping
Speaker 1: out exactly how the Cowboys would want it to. Here's
Speaker 1: Rod your good out as well. Meanwhile, let's take a
Speaker 1: look at Mel's Best Available, brought to you by Low's Mel.
Speaker 1: What do we got? So you got Philadelphia and Minnesota,
Speaker 1: New Orleans all looking and we got faked out. So
Speaker 1: no no pick yet. So we got so I tell
Speaker 1: you no, no, no, no, no, We're gonna wait on
Speaker 1: good down. Okay, Katsne, just because you've got to step
Speaker 1: up on us doesn't mean I don't. I haven't done
Speaker 1: it all night. But the world's already tweeted this one out.
Speaker 1: This is the whole world's spoiling this one. I haven't
Speaker 1: been spoiling. I'm just staying away from it, trust me.
Speaker 1: But I do know this one because all the Cowboys
Speaker 1: beat riders are tweeting about it and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Because you told me not to do it, I'll do
Speaker 1: it or no, no half measures. That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give it away because we are
Speaker 1: still waiting on the commissioner. But the good thing, even
Speaker 1: with the cowboys tweeting about this, that excuse me, cowboys
Speaker 1: beat writers tweeting about this, that things could get nuts
Speaker 1: here in the next couple of seconds. Kat Yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: this is things getting nuts every time. The Cowboys are
Speaker 1: almost the man see and Arthur blank in one of
Speaker 1: those ugly Falcons uniforms just made my whole night. Those
Speaker 1: are weird uniforms. That is some XFL stuff. No offense Falcons,
Speaker 1: sorry numbers really sixteen testtuff in the twenty twenty NFL
Speaker 1: traft the commissioner. Finally, Jarell defensive back A J. Terrell
Speaker 1: defensive back my job, and we've talked about it that
Speaker 1: it was not gonna be surprised. That's where the Falcons went.
Speaker 1: They wanted a corner badly, and when they couldn't trade
Speaker 1: up for CJ. Henderson, they went with DJ Terrell. And
Speaker 1: here we are pick seventeen. We got what Cede Lamb
Speaker 1: and Clevion Chase on both on the board. A more
Speaker 1: perfect draft exercise has never been created in my time.
Speaker 1: Maybe it happens in the fourth round when we don't
Speaker 1: really know what a board looks like. But right here
Speaker 1: you are looking at best player available versus the guy
Speaker 1: that you need. You need the pass rusher. You don't
Speaker 1: feel great about what's there after. Calebon Chason, a receiver
Speaker 1: that you never dreamed would be there, is sitting in
Speaker 1: your lap. I would venture a guess that basically everybody
Speaker 1: in the world has his higher grade on Cede Lamb
Speaker 1: than Calebon Jason. And that doesn't mean Calebon Chason is
Speaker 1: a bad player. You just never thought Cede Lamb would
Speaker 1: be here. And I just think what the Cowboys do
Speaker 1: in the next five minutes is going to speak volumes
Speaker 1: about how their draft process works. He's got a little
Speaker 1: influence here. He's saying this, he's an offensive minded guy.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'd be doing. I know what
Speaker 1: I would be doing if I were him. And the
Speaker 1: thing is is we still haven't known exactly how this
Speaker 1: new coaching staff is going to handle a draft process
Speaker 1: like this. No better way of trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how a new coaching staff has an influence on a
Speaker 1: draft process than the situation that you have right in
Speaker 1: front of you. It's gonna be obvious best player available
Speaker 1: or the player UNIQ. Like David just said, it's there's
Speaker 1: no in between, there's no gray area here. It's Cede Lamb.
Speaker 1: I have Ceede Lamb as a top ten player on
Speaker 1: my board. I was that impressed by it. I think
Speaker 1: he would be the pick here if you're going place
Speaker 1: best player available, but by far edge rushers kind of
Speaker 1: the need you had. Now here's the potential that I
Speaker 1: kind of want to go back with. When you talk
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys offseason, they've done their due diligence and
Speaker 1: they've done their duty as a free agency market to
Speaker 1: address some of these issues. That way, if a best
Speaker 1: player available situation popped up at this pick, which it has.
Speaker 1: You have some edge rushers like an Olden Smith than
Speaker 1: a Randy Gregory who still need to be reinstated. You
Speaker 1: have addressed your defensive line, You've addressed some of the
Speaker 1: spots in your secondary. They've done enough at free agency
Speaker 1: to where they could go best player available here and
Speaker 1: still have some fun and be able to address needs
Speaker 1: later in the draft. I want to hedge my bet
Speaker 1: because I obviously I think calebon Chason is a good player.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good pick. But the pick should
Speaker 1: be Cede Lamb. It should be, I mean, absolutely should be.
Speaker 1: That's just it's some different day. You're walking your dog
Speaker 1: around the neighborhood, trying to get some exercise. Obviously, you're
Speaker 1: probably wearing a mask, you're staying away, and you find
Speaker 1: a twenty dollar bill on the ground. That's what this is.
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb is there for you. You take it. You
Speaker 1: will rue the day. If you do not. That is
Speaker 1: your pick. Go. I can't wait to see what they
Speaker 1: actually do. Because you do it. I just have this
Speaker 1: sneaking suspicion, sneaking suspicion that it's going to be Chason. Man,
Speaker 1: you kind of have to have that in the back
Speaker 1: of your head, you really do. And of course, no
Speaker 1: matter who the pick is, we're gonna have a toast
Speaker 1: that brought to you by a Miller light coming up
Speaker 1: here in just a couple of moments. Man. But man,
Speaker 1: this is this is exactly what you've wanted. You wanted
Speaker 1: CD Lamb there, you wanted an adge rusher there. Either way,
Speaker 1: you're walking out of pick seventeen with a player that's
Speaker 1: gonna change your football team. Now one's gonna make a
Speaker 1: lot of Cowboys fans happier than the other. But even then,
Speaker 1: you're still getting a great player. And what do we
Speaker 1: talk about from the outset? Chase On has a chance
Speaker 1: to be a big time pass rusher in this league
Speaker 1: and a guy that's ascending, who still still has some
Speaker 1: growing pains, but he is all the traits are there.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ability. And I think when we
Speaker 1: started the night, if you told us that Chason was
Speaker 1: going to be available at seventeen, Okay, we'll take that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Steve Lamb still big in the mix. That
Speaker 1: definitely throws a wrench in this whole equation. I have
Speaker 1: I said this on Twitter during the I have not
Speaker 1: been this nervous sight. I mean, this is our job.
Speaker 1: We do this every year. I typically stay, I stay
Speaker 1: pretty calm. I haven't been this geeked out by a
Speaker 1: Cowboys pick since it was Johnny Manzielle and back Martin.
Speaker 1: This is just ing. This is riveting stuff. That's what
Speaker 1: the middle will do to you, right there, being right
Speaker 1: in the middle. And I think this is probably the
Speaker 1: most polarizing situation since Zack Martin and Johnny manziel They
Speaker 1: went with the better player on the board there, even
Speaker 1: though you had a guy like Johnny manziel who was
Speaker 1: going to come in and at least at the time
Speaker 1: looked like a solid selection. It of course now in
Speaker 1: hindsight not and thank goodness, they went with a future
Speaker 1: pro bowler or excuse me, a future Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: at the moment, in Zack Martin. And so I think
Speaker 1: since that pick has been made, the Cowboys as an
Speaker 1: organization have not had a pick this polarizing to even
Speaker 1: have to deal with. Well, and I go ahead, Dave, No,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything smart to say. I'm just stressed
Speaker 1: the hell out. I just want to say this and
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier Cedric Wilson is your wide receiver three?
Speaker 1: Right now? I know you just to sign just signed
Speaker 1: to Maury Cooper to a big deal. Michael Gallup only
Speaker 1: has you know what, two more years left or is
Speaker 1: it one left on his rookie deal? That's two years
Speaker 1: I believe. But if you look at that like a
Speaker 1: little bit of injuries with both Gallup and Cooper, let's
Speaker 1: just to me it's like there's not some like no
Speaker 1: brain or some clear thing like that. Oh, there's depth
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. We can get one later. Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: is higher granted player. He has dynamic he he does
Speaker 1: change your offense a little bit. He takes it up
Speaker 1: a lot. Do we need to do we need to
Speaker 1: talk about any of the players here? I mean, are
Speaker 1: we sure it's gonna be chased on or Lamb here?
Speaker 1: Do we need to talk about digs? Do we need
Speaker 1: to talk about McKinney. Do we the players to talk
Speaker 1: about here? Oh? Not? Guys to pick is in by
Speaker 1: the way, I hope not. Idele hasn't announced it, but
Speaker 1: the decision has been made. Jerry is being congratulated by
Speaker 1: his family in the Jerry Jones war room now here's
Speaker 1: the final moments. Here's the waiting Ceedy Lamb of Oklahoma
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Here's the pick. With the seventeenth pick in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select t
Speaker 1: d Lamb, wide receiver, Oklahoma. Ceedee Lamb, Dallas Cowboy, Holy Cow.
Speaker 1: Team forty Burger is alive and well, two under ninety
Speaker 1: six pounds. He's a four to five five athlete. For
Speaker 1: this guy, he reminds you of DeAndre Hopkins at the
Speaker 1: catch point. He is a somebody east, somebody catching me, sorry, dame,
Speaker 1: making our sponsors happy. Here toast a Team forty Burger.
Speaker 1: Let's go. I'll open one up to that as well,
Speaker 1: mister David Hellman. I've got one on my own, and
Speaker 1: I'm here's my boards, glasses, so I'm even gonna get
Speaker 1: a little fancy with this. But Ceedee Lamb is a
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboy, the top receiver on my board. Dane said
Speaker 1: he was the top receiver on his board, Katie, I
Speaker 1: believe it's the top receiver on his board. And then
Speaker 1: same thing. Whatever, This is a pick that I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody expected. They didn't necessarily think he was gonna
Speaker 1: make it this far. But Lamb is a Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have a star on the side of his helm.
Speaker 1: Lamb has been productive no better where he's been. I
Speaker 1: want to read you his stats from senior year at
Speaker 1: Foster High School in Texas. Catches two thousand two yards
Speaker 1: thirty three touchdowns. This guy has been productive everywhere he
Speaker 1: has gone. He goes to Oklahoma, he had three different
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks out three different pretty good starting quarterbacks, Bay
Speaker 1: from Midfield, Jalen Hurts and Cala Murray. But this guy
Speaker 1: has been productive no matter what. Is an All American
Speaker 1: top receiver on my board. He has for a guy's
Speaker 1: decent decent size, six one two six two, two hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: He moves like a much smaller players foot quickness, the fluidity,
Speaker 1: and like I said, he is a beast at the point.
Speaker 1: While I personally, I mean I thought Claivion chas On
Speaker 1: would have been to pick. I'm very surprised that they
Speaker 1: passed on him. I'm not surprised they went with the
Speaker 1: offensive firepower because again they went best player available. They
Speaker 1: were a player that my boards ranked top ten. So
Speaker 1: I applaud the Cowboys for going with the best player
Speaker 1: and upgrading that offense. So I mean, if you're Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk contract and get you signed long term
Speaker 1: because we got a weapon. You think you think those
Speaker 1: teams in New York, Washington and Philly all just said,
Speaker 1: ah damn, he a draft another corner various slay is
Speaker 1: not gonna be enough. Philadelphia is sitting there twenty one two.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they were. They're probably helping CDL
Speaker 1: would get to them. So, I man, it just got
Speaker 1: so fun. You're now going to play fast. I can't
Speaker 1: help but think year one of a new era with
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy coming in that he wouldn't have had a
Speaker 1: little bit of influence right there. I just look, with
Speaker 1: all due respect to Caleb and Chason, who I think
Speaker 1: they all would have been fine with. This was the
Speaker 1: play that layded in your lap, and they they they
Speaker 1: didn't like. Did you did this happened to you a
Speaker 1: few years ago when you took Taco Because you're kind
Speaker 1: of overthinking about day two and day three, they overthought it.
Speaker 1: They'd overthink this best player right here? Oh oh good, Now,
Speaker 1: Cidrick Wilson is your wide receiver for guys. Yes, this
Speaker 1: is huge. I mean, it's like, again, thanks to Middle
Speaker 1: of Lake for this draft pick um, what's kind of
Speaker 1: if you're well, sorry, Katie, I just I know there's exciting.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be Cowboy fans that are confused or upset
Speaker 1: by the seeming no response to a defense that was
Speaker 1: mediocre last year, and that's totally valid. They gotta do
Speaker 1: something about their pass rush. They need cornerbacks. You can
Speaker 1: find cornerbacks and say season the later rounds of this draft.
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about where you're going to find
Speaker 1: that edge rusher. But if you gotta, if you gotta
Speaker 1: put Tyron Crawford and Alden Smith and Randy Gregory in
Speaker 1: there for a year and make it work. It might
Speaker 1: not be pretty, but we can fix that later and
Speaker 1: our offense will not miss a beat. I mean, hello,
Speaker 1: mister Clowney, would you like to sign a one year deal? Oh?
Speaker 1: You would? Okay, all right, let's not get carried away.
Speaker 1: Why not because the Cowboys don't do things like that,
Speaker 1: although they typically don't do things like draft CD LAMB either.
Speaker 1: So let's party. The economy of this league might change
Speaker 1: over the next year, and I think we should maybe
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. If Clowney thinks he's gonna get
Speaker 1: five and one hundred, that's a whole different discussion. I
Speaker 1: think it absolutely is. It's at least in the discussion
Speaker 1: now because defense is the priority. You got your offense
Speaker 1: taken care of, at least in wide receiver. It's wide open.
Speaker 1: Defense is the rest of the draft here. Now. I
Speaker 1: do want to address this really quickly. Dave Alp on
Speaker 1: Twitter just reminded me I sent out a tweet about
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, and this might be the dumbest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever done. Yeah, you did you. I know exactly
Speaker 1: what you did. Yeah, said. Somebody asked me what the
Speaker 1: possibility of Ceedee Lamb was at seventeen. I said, I
Speaker 1: would love that. But if Lamb is there at seventeen,
Speaker 1: and then I put in parentheses, if and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: take him, I said, I'll run from my apartment in
Speaker 1: Little Lamb to the Star and back. That's about fourteen
Speaker 1: miles in one sitting. I'm gonna have to do that
Speaker 1: sometime soon. I ran a five k this morning. I've
Speaker 1: got some work to do, but I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do it. I'm not doing it right now, or yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't do it now, you can't do it now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna end up doing it over the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, but hey, I've got to get some running
Speaker 1: in because I'm that happy. I could probably run to
Speaker 1: the Star and back. When the last time we since
Speaker 1: since we started doing this, where we entered a draft
Speaker 1: thinking the Cowboys were going to go in this direction
Speaker 1: and then they ultimately in the first round went a
Speaker 1: totally different direction, when because we kind of dot and
Speaker 1: band rash, you know, we kind of felt good about
Speaker 1: not good about Taco Charlton, but that they could go
Speaker 1: that direction. And what was it last time you felt
Speaker 1: this type of feeling with a Cowboys first round draft pick?
Speaker 1: Haven't been this blindsided by a Cowboys first round pick
Speaker 1: since they traded back for Travis Frederick in twenty thirteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we weren't even doing the show back then. We
Speaker 1: knew we knew they In fourteen, it was Andy Barr,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, and Ryan Shazier with a little Johnny Manzel thrown.
Speaker 1: In fifteen, it was Byron Jones all the way. Sixteen,
Speaker 1: it was zeke Er Ramsey. Seventeen it was Best pass
Speaker 1: rush are available, which was Taco eighteen was lve all
Speaker 1: the way, and then nineteen they didn't even have one.
Speaker 1: I I just we knew that, we knew that they
Speaker 1: had the capability of doing this because they did it
Speaker 1: with Connor McGovern last year. But to do it, but
Speaker 1: to do it at the top of the draft, especially
Speaker 1: when the guy that you've kind of had circled since
Speaker 1: early March is sitting there for you, It's really impressive.
Speaker 1: And that's the way that good drafting is supposed to go.
Speaker 1: Like I said, you're not going to find a bigger
Speaker 1: Caleb and Jason Fan than me. But it was clear
Speaker 1: and obvious that Ceedee Lamb was the better option. And
Speaker 1: now again for anybody that's unhappy about the pick, or
Speaker 1: for anybody that wanted defense, now we don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about this receiver conversation. We don't have to look
Speaker 1: for our Devin Duvernet or our kJ Hammler or our Bowden.
Speaker 1: You can look at defense the whole rest of the way,
Speaker 1: because short of maybe trying to grab an offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: all your other needs are on defense. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where the Cowboys will be looking from here on out.
Speaker 1: I think that can get ready. Sorry, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say that set you up for success because
Speaker 1: there is some depth in this draft and key areas
Speaker 1: of need. You've got some corners a little bit later on,
Speaker 1: you've got safeties like it's Terrell Burgess of Utah. You
Speaker 1: have your wide receiver out of the way, like Dave said,
Speaker 1: that was gonna be a third, fourth, fifth round sweet spot.
Speaker 1: Now you can at least shift your mindset and shift
Speaker 1: your thinking a little bit to start looking at maybe
Speaker 1: an edge rusher in the middle of this draft, and
Speaker 1: maybe a corner or a safety early at least round two,
Speaker 1: round three, if you're trying to get a couple more picks.
Speaker 1: But man, this is uh. It's definitely like you said,
Speaker 1: it's blindsiding. But I think it's also the smart pick
Speaker 1: because it does set you up for the rest of
Speaker 1: the draft in a good way. Here is the eighteenth
Speaker 1: pick from Roger Goodell for Miami. With the eighteenth pick
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select
Speaker 1: Boston Jackson tackle USC. Austin Jackson tackle from USC goes
Speaker 1: off the board at eighteen. There's the tackle that Dane
Speaker 1: was talking about it a little bit earlier for Miami.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we still want to continue talking about this
Speaker 1: CD Lamp pick here in just a little bit. But
Speaker 1: the Dolphins do get their tackle. You said it. If
Speaker 1: they didn't get it at five Dame, that at least
Speaker 1: eighteen was the spot they were gonna look at it for.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. If you're going to draft two, you
Speaker 1: need to protect him. You need to give more help
Speaker 1: in Austin Jackson has all the talent to do that.
Speaker 1: Now there's gonna be some learning curves. He's literally the
Speaker 1: youngest player in this draft, so they're the growing pains
Speaker 1: are gonna be there. But guys that move like this,
Speaker 1: they don't last very long in the draft. Has high,
Speaker 1: high ability and potential in this league, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: take a little bit of time for him. So not
Speaker 1: surprised Miami went this direction, but now they have one
Speaker 1: more first round pick. Continue that facelift on offense, go
Speaker 1: get that running back and helped your quarterback. So it's
Speaker 1: I could bring it back to the CD Lamb conversation
Speaker 1: a little bit. You have to look at Philadelphia sitting
Speaker 1: there at twenty one. How much do you think they
Speaker 1: consider trading. Oh, they're they're sick. They have to be
Speaker 1: absolutely sick. Yeah, because you have to think they considered
Speaker 1: moving up to maybe sixteen to try and make that
Speaker 1: move once CD Lamb started falling a little bit. They
Speaker 1: didn't do it. And I think they're okay with Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 1: but I don't you know it, not only do you
Speaker 1: get Cede Lamb, you prevent the Cowboys from getting him
Speaker 1: with a trade up opportunity. So there's another interesting wrinkle
Speaker 1: with the whole selection. You know, I'm an ideas man.
Speaker 1: What do you think about spending some of that stimulus
Speaker 1: chick on the number eighty eight Cede Lamb? Jersey? Oh,
Speaker 1: they can't give eighty eight to CD because they're gonna
Speaker 1: sign Daz after the draft, aren't they. Oh, I'll start
Speaker 1: that here. Oh you know where you were. Don't start
Speaker 1: that here. I'm kidding. I don't know, man, I mean,
Speaker 1: I love the eighty eight legacy. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like Dez is too recent. I'd
Speaker 1: rather let him forge his own path. That's just me,
Speaker 1: that's to me. Maybe they feel differently. He can't wear
Speaker 1: a number two, So that's unfortunate because he did look
Speaker 1: good in a number two uniform during his time at Alabama.
Speaker 1: We're spitball in here. I mean, what would be available
Speaker 1: for Cede Lamb? What numbers? I mean, you gotta wear
Speaker 1: either you gotta wear between what eleven or ten and
Speaker 1: nineteen or an eighties number and would look good. He
Speaker 1: could have pen I believe eleven is open, obviously, you
Speaker 1: can't have twelve, thirteen is taken, fourteen is open, Fifteen
Speaker 1: I believe is open. Looks weird. I think they need
Speaker 1: to go back to just all being eighties numbers. No, stop,
Speaker 1: it don't be a Lambs better aspect. When the gold
Speaker 1: the golden years of the NFL, let the kids have fun.
Speaker 1: What are the Raiders going to do? They picked earlier.
Speaker 1: They took Henry Ruggs of Alabama and possibly a pick
Speaker 1: that allowed Ceedee Lamb to kind of help fault to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Cornerback is what I would kind of had
Speaker 1: on my mind there. I thought the Raiders might be
Speaker 1: thinking a little bit of cornerback action. What are you
Speaker 1: guys thinking about for the Raiders? I think corner would
Speaker 1: be a smart play here. They wanted aj Terrell. I
Speaker 1: think that's the exact direction they wanted to go. Well,
Speaker 1: especially when you look at their cornerback pep chart, it's
Speaker 1: one of their taught needs. Uh and that was compounded
Speaker 1: by Eli Apple. Uh not that deal not going through.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot that needs to happen at that
Speaker 1: cornerback pep chart. Would they go Trevon Diggs here? Possibly?
Speaker 1: Is that a direction they could go? Is that next
Speaker 1: corner off the board? Uh? You know what we're talking about?
Speaker 1: Any other corners this early? I mean there, I'm a
Speaker 1: Glad fan. I'm a Glad but I don't know, Um,
Speaker 1: Trevon Diggs, you know, I don't know what Mayock necessarily
Speaker 1: and Gruden would value from a defensive backstand point. Um,
Speaker 1: they did draft Trayvon Mullins that last year. The years
Speaker 1: are running second round last year. Yeah, um, but definitely
Speaker 1: needs some help. All we said, we saw them, you know,
Speaker 1: go up and get to Gary Unconley a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, kind of get a little aggressive on a guy,
Speaker 1: maybe not aggressive, but a guy who had some question
Speaker 1: marks coming out of Ohio State. So I think cornerback
Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense. It maybe something from
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. I think defense whenever
Speaker 1: you still have Chase on on the board, but you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily need that. I mean you could potentially if
Speaker 1: you really thought he need you always need pass rushers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could. You could go in that direction if you
Speaker 1: really wanted to. But the fact that he's still available.
Speaker 1: And then twenty NFL Draft, the Las Vegas Raiders select
Speaker 1: Paymon Arnett defensive back Ohio State paymen our Neett defensive
Speaker 1: back from Ohio State. That was a curveball because that's
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Farrell. Yep, Jeff Gladney. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, here's Damon Arnette. Surprise, it's another Ohio State guy.
Speaker 1: Oh and that is the Cleveland Farrell of this draft
Speaker 1: so far. So you know, no surprise matters doing it again. Look,
Speaker 1: Damon Arnette is a talented guy. If you're okay with
Speaker 1: the character. That was the big hang up the lot
Speaker 1: of team. Uh. He rubbed some teams the wrong way
Speaker 1: and they were afraid to trust him. And so this
Speaker 1: is a really talented guy who came back for a
Speaker 1: senior year. He wanted to come out after his junior year.
Speaker 1: They convinced him to come back, and he really had
Speaker 1: a great turnaround. I think he's one of the best
Speaker 1: tackling corps in this class. He could play inside, play outside.
Speaker 1: He is a really talented dude who talent wise, I
Speaker 1: understand this pick just surprised. I never would have guess
Speaker 1: would have been a top twenty draft. That is a surprise.
Speaker 1: He talked about a late bloomer. He's the definition of
Speaker 1: that pick. I mean, he turned twenty three this past
Speaker 1: season and then or he was all he was twenty
Speaker 1: three of all of this past season. Like you said,
Speaker 1: he's got the versatility to play outside or inside. But
Speaker 1: this is a guy who didn't really see a ton
Speaker 1: of playing time all the way up until twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: because sometimes he just kind of stumbles around and he
Speaker 1: gets beat by some of those big ten wide receivers.
Speaker 1: He was in the mid forties on my board. I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see where he was at on y'all's board.
Speaker 1: But the fact that he was all the way up
Speaker 1: at the pick or pick nineteen, I mean, that's like
Speaker 1: you said, the Colin Farrell of this one, this is
Speaker 1: just crazy. Probably in that announcement, I did actually have
Speaker 1: the audio in my ears. Uh. The commissioner also announced
Speaker 1: that the twenty twenty two draft would be in Las Vegas. Okay.
Speaker 1: Plans for twenty twenty one draft in Cleveland. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: already been announced. It's in Cleveland, Okay, so they'll get
Speaker 1: it in twenty tw two. Yeah, that was a part
Speaker 1: of that announcement as well. That brings us Jacksonville another
Speaker 1: kind of wildcard team today who had multiple picks in
Speaker 1: the first round. C J. Henderson with her first pick,
Speaker 1: I thought why, I thought help on the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball as something they might need to go
Speaker 1: with after getting CJ. Henderson. So, um, just a team
Speaker 1: just doesn't have a lot of sexy osive weapons. I'm
Speaker 1: not a I'm not a scout. I don't ever put
Speaker 1: together aboard the way that y'all do. But I think,
Speaker 1: and you know, Dan is totally right about the character concerns.
Speaker 1: But I like Damon our Nett's tape just as much,
Speaker 1: if not better than any cornerback after like CJ. Henderson, honestly,
Speaker 1: like I think he stacks up with Fulton, Diggs, Glad Need,
Speaker 1: all those guys. Like I'm pretty surprised he went this early,
Speaker 1: but I like what I watched a lot. He's a
Speaker 1: good corner. Don't get me wrong, and I'm not necessarily
Speaker 1: knocking the guy for being a late bloomer, but I
Speaker 1: think in terms of prospects, I would have much rather
Speaker 1: have gone with a Christian Fulton and Jeff Gladney, even
Speaker 1: a Trayvon Diggs at that point. I don't think necessarily
Speaker 1: that at least Arnette was even in the conversation. But
Speaker 1: you never know. But I am intrigued as to what
Speaker 1: Jacksonville is going to do here, Kat, because you mentioned
Speaker 1: it a little bit earlier. They addressed the cornerback need
Speaker 1: with C. J. Henderson, they could potentially go with a linebacker.
Speaker 1: Here you have Kenneth Murray that's still on the board.
Speaker 1: I know that's a name that, at least beforehand, was
Speaker 1: the other Oklahoma Sooner that the Cowboys had been kind
Speaker 1: of rumored around, but more so likely than what they
Speaker 1: ended up getting with c CD Lamb. But I think
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs, the fact that he didn't go nineteen to
Speaker 1: the Raiders kind of opens up some possibilities in the
Speaker 1: early twenties for guys well. I think I say with
Speaker 1: Xinville here at twenty, I mean, Monakin Gockway is probably
Speaker 1: not back. Uh now, whether he gets he's probably not
Speaker 1: coun be traded at this point during the draft. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know you drafted Josh Allen in the first round
Speaker 1: last year, I draft another SEC pass structure with with
Speaker 1: chas On still on the board here, Uh, he would
Speaker 1: take over for in Gockway, and you know you've got
Speaker 1: the makings of a pretty good pass rush duo with
Speaker 1: Allen and Chaseaw. Yeah, that's what I was about to say, Dan,
Speaker 1: considering that Ingaqua was you know Katam Twitter war with Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was what the Pians some the other day. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: a little crazy there. So Chasa makes a lot of
Speaker 1: sense as well. But I do think wide receiver as
Speaker 1: an area they will have to attack at some point
Speaker 1: the draft is it's not, you know, a very pretty
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps for them. But yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think Chase that would make sense as well. Well, let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and run it down while we got a
Speaker 1: quick moment. The second ten pick, starting with the Browns
Speaker 1: Jedrick Wills out of Alabama, followed by McKay Peckton, a
Speaker 1: couple of back to back offensive tackles Henry Rubs. The
Speaker 1: third the first wide receiver off the board. He goes
Speaker 1: to the Las Vegas Raiders out of Alabama. You've got
Speaker 1: Tristan Wirfs, another offensive tackle, three and four picks which
Speaker 1: ultimately set up this success for the Cowboys in getting
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb. Jerry Judy went off the board fifteen to
Speaker 1: the Broncos, right after Javon Kinlaw. Gotta throw Javon Kinlaw
Speaker 1: in there because that was a crucial pick as well.
Speaker 1: A J. Terrell goes to the Falcons at sixteen. Cede
Speaker 1: Lamb a Dallas Cowboy at seventeen. It's still music to
Speaker 1: the years, I will tell you that. And then Austin Jackson,
Speaker 1: offensive tackle out of USC He goes eighteen to the Dolphins. Nineteen.
Speaker 1: The Raiders take Damon Arnett, a cornerback out of Ohio State.
Speaker 1: So Jacksonville on the clock, now, followed by the Eagles,
Speaker 1: the Vikings, Patriots, and Saints the next five picks overall,
Speaker 1: So Jaguars here defensive line, I mean Calevan Jason. Still
Speaker 1: there is there a potential that he could even be
Speaker 1: in the conversation here, I think to me makes so
Speaker 1: much sense. Um, how far I don't name I want
Speaker 1: to do about not necessarily for just Jacksonville as well. Dan,
Speaker 1: what about a guy like Aja Pedessa, who from the beginning,
Speaker 1: you know, was talked about as an edge guy, who
Speaker 1: could you know, maybe be a top twenty type guy
Speaker 1: didn't test grate at the combine, not that I was
Speaker 1: expecting him to test grate at the combine. And how
Speaker 1: far do you see a guy like him? Follam, I
Speaker 1: think that we could see him. You know, the Patriots
Speaker 1: of twenty three. Uh, you know one of these other
Speaker 1: teams in the back round, one who aren't overly concerned
Speaker 1: with the five or four or forty year a dash Um.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in some of these tackles too. Jackson Well,
Speaker 1: I know, maybe Jacksonville they've got a sneaky need a tackle,
Speaker 1: especially when you consider that they want to move deal
Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor inside or Cam Robinson inside. They could go
Speaker 1: with in Edford Cleveland here, that's possible if they want
Speaker 1: to go that direct Uh. Jacksonville, like we've said before,
Speaker 1: they have so many needs. They can go to a
Speaker 1: lot of different directions. Here, they already got the corner.
Speaker 1: Maybe they go offense here. Uh, they could go uh
Speaker 1: with coug receiver Justin Jefferson snipe him right before the
Speaker 1: Eagles are up. Jacksonville really a wild card here. Pick
Speaker 1: is in by the way, safety could be something that
Speaker 1: would consider if they're still trying to kind of rebuild
Speaker 1: the back end of their defense. But I love what
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, like Washington with Chase Young and Montes Sweat,
Speaker 1: you have Josh Allen their first round pick you took
Speaker 1: last year man another first round pick on edge and
Speaker 1: really kind of build that part of your team that
Speaker 1: would be, you know, pretty sexy tandem right there, especially
Speaker 1: that you're likely t commissioner. Well, there you see Caleb
Speaker 1: Calevan and Shasaw Lsu. We were a little bit late
Speaker 1: getting to the pick, but he is the selection for
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars at pick twenty, edge rusher from Lsu.
Speaker 1: He was off the board, or he was on the
Speaker 1: board longer than we thought. We were still kind of
Speaker 1: skeptical on whether or not he was gonna make it
Speaker 1: to seventeen for the Cowboys. Not only didn't make it
Speaker 1: to seventeen, but he made it past the top twenty
Speaker 1: and now lands at twenty. Jason still a really good player.
Speaker 1: We talked about him in depth because this is kind
Speaker 1: of the guy that at least we thought going into
Speaker 1: this draft was going to be a cowboy. He stinks.
Speaker 1: I'm glad Dallas ten draft him. He's done. No he
Speaker 1: like I mentioned this before, how Josh Allen last year
Speaker 1: in the first round go back to the SEC passed
Speaker 1: rusher well And yeah, Jason, who you know we talked
Speaker 1: up since the beginning as an ascending player who is
Speaker 1: still discovery how good he can be. Yeah, athletticism off
Speaker 1: the edge, he can convert a speed power and he
Speaker 1: can drop in space. So with Ynckway likely done in Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: h they've got Chase on Josh Allen. That's the making
Speaker 1: of a pretty good Again, hat prushure do and think
Speaker 1: about the fact you have Josh Allen, you and so okay,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen wasn't supposed to fall to them. And I
Speaker 1: think most people would be surprised that Calevan Chason is
Speaker 1: still sitting here at pick twenty. We've thought he might
Speaker 1: not last to seventeen. And you can trade it in
Speaker 1: Gockway a pick, you know, assuming somebody wants to pay
Speaker 1: for him and get yourself some more resources. I did
Speaker 1: what they're doing a lot and then this is good. No, No,
Speaker 1: you go ahead. I was just gonna say, moving on
Speaker 1: to pick twenty one, now you've got Philadelphia on the board,
Speaker 1: and they've got to be just melting down with the
Speaker 1: fact that Ceedee Lamb not only made it to seventeen
Speaker 1: but is now going to be played twice a year
Speaker 1: by the Eagles because of the Cowboys selection. But is
Speaker 1: wide receiver a need enough for them to take a
Speaker 1: guy like a Denzel Mims or even a Jalen Raker,
Speaker 1: A couple of big twelve guys that are still on
Speaker 1: the board. I received it. You gotta look at Justin Jefferson, right,
Speaker 1: I mean Jefferson too. That's a good point. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: love that h did t team like he'd be the
Speaker 1: perfect target for Carson Wentz and a receiving cord that
Speaker 1: just they were missing that reliable guy. I mean Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 1: He is exactly that. He's that reliable target that can
Speaker 1: mostly I mean, you want him in a slot, but
Speaker 1: he can also play outside if you need him move.
Speaker 1: I just think it's too much of a fit for
Speaker 1: with Juin Jefferson at twenty one. I agree with you, Dan,
Speaker 1: But the other thing I would say just so we're
Speaker 1: throwing out all options. I love what they've done in
Speaker 1: the off season training for Darius Slay. I love adding
Speaker 1: Javon Hargrain, who I know you love densive tackle to
Speaker 1: kind of add to their defensive line. Middle linebackers an
Speaker 1: area that they can maybe use some help. Kenneth Burry,
Speaker 1: Patrick Queen, a couple of names who were still on
Speaker 1: the board haven't been touched tonight. Really, no linebackers have
Speaker 1: been touched tonight. Za Zaa Simmons. That's an interesting area
Speaker 1: as well. Don't put my son Justin in Philly. Don't
Speaker 1: do it. Don't do it. Pick somebody else. No offense, Well,
Speaker 1: I would hate to see. I think the number one
Speaker 1: guy I would hate to see in Philadelphia would be
Speaker 1: probably Jalen Raiger. I'm not gonna lie because I loved
Speaker 1: didn't Zell Mimms, and I've said before, as a kid
Speaker 1: who grew up in Waco, I've I've kept an eye
Speaker 1: on the Baylor program and Didn't Zell Ms and I
Speaker 1: love them. But I think the hardest guy to stop,
Speaker 1: at least for the Cowboys sake, would probably be Jalen Raiger.
Speaker 1: You're gonna take the top off of a defense and
Speaker 1: expect Jordan Lewis to go into the slot and cover
Speaker 1: them in the corner spot. I don't think that's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: at least easily. I think Jaylen Raiger would probably be
Speaker 1: the scariest pick here. I mean, I'll say that during
Speaker 1: their their late season run last year, they were just
Speaker 1: having so many problems getting anyone open. So anyone in
Speaker 1: general who can go get open and help Carson wentz
Speaker 1: out because that was just just kind of a bad
Speaker 1: offense really, you know, at the back half of last year,
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders was the only we got to do with
Speaker 1: the dirty work. So justin Jefferson makes sense. But we've
Speaker 1: talked about this wide receiver class so many times. Stacking
Speaker 1: it was going to be a difficult thing to do.
Speaker 1: Cowboys number one wide receiver might have been Cede Lamb.
Speaker 1: It was maybe the number two or number three or
Speaker 1: four wide receiver for other teams. So but I like
Speaker 1: that you're thrown up Jillen Ragor from TCU. Jefferson makes sense.
Speaker 1: I do want to keep the linebackers in the mix
Speaker 1: here as well. But if I following the Cowboys, I
Speaker 1: think the player you don't want them to have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it might be Rager, or it might be Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 1: something like that. I think it's Jefferson. I think that's
Speaker 1: if I'm a team of the NFC East, I don't
Speaker 1: want to see join Jefferson there because I think he
Speaker 1: is that he said they're missing Yeah, that would definitely
Speaker 1: be scary. And I know during our mock draft that
Speaker 1: we had live on the Draft show earlier in the month,
Speaker 1: we said Patrick Queen twenty one overall, So the linebackers
Speaker 1: at least in the conversation ever since we did that
Speaker 1: mock draft, so you could throw Kenneth Murder, you can
Speaker 1: throw Patrick Queen in there. Justin Jefferson of course a
Speaker 1: great wide receiver. If Jefferson makes it past this pick,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if maybe the Vikings take a
Speaker 1: look and take a flyer on him at twenty two.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's very long before we see
Speaker 1: another bevvy of wide receivers go off the board, whether
Speaker 1: it is Raygor, Jefferson, or even Denzel Mims. At the
Speaker 1: same time, Tee Higgins in that conversation too, to the
Speaker 1: territory where maybe often tackles. You know, the Ezra Cleveland's,
Speaker 1: the Josh Jones, Isaiah Wilston's, and we've got a couple
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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles select
Speaker 1: Jalen Ragor wide receiver TCU. Jalen Rager wide receiver TCU
Speaker 1: is the pick for Philadelphia. I'm I'm a little surprised
Speaker 1: at it, and I don't like that. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I know you're happy, Dave, but I don't like I
Speaker 1: love it. No offense to Jalen Ragor or you, but
Speaker 1: I just I didn't need that conflict of interest in
Speaker 1: my life. That's a watsa hatchee product. He's a DFW
Speaker 1: born and raised type of player, and the fact that
Speaker 1: he played at TCU and was a part of that
Speaker 1: offense with Gary Patterson and company. He was really the
Speaker 1: only offense that they've had over the last couple of years. Dan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Jalen Raiger is a talented, talented kid who did
Speaker 1: not have the production this past year, had some drops,
Speaker 1: but with all in his hands, he's an explosive guy.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to like about him. I know that
Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily have the nineteen season many expected. He
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have the combine performance that many expected, but
Speaker 1: the bloodlines his dad played the NFL for a while,
Speaker 1: one of the most explosive guys. I'm surprised they waited
Speaker 1: him over Jefferson. But you know, once we get into
Speaker 1: that second tier of receivers, that's where things get really
Speaker 1: good shook up. And so it's very interesting pick here, right,
Speaker 1: Jalen Regers got a little boom bust to him. He
Speaker 1: might be really really good, all right, when't surprise me
Speaker 1: if he fizzled out. It's this is a really intriguing pick.
Speaker 1: Minnesota's got two picks coming up at twenty two and
Speaker 1: twenty five. Both well both they need some coverage out,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. And obviously a Mike Zimmer coach football
Speaker 1: team is probably gonna, you know, address the secondary a
Speaker 1: little bit. But that's something. But my question is now,
Speaker 1: with New England at twenty three in the Saints at
Speaker 1: twenty four. Should we be at all on Jordan Love
Speaker 1: watch Yes, good point, yep, trade up scenarios definitely and
Speaker 1: play for Jordan Love. It's you know, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think the Patriots would draft him, but you can
Speaker 1: never rule out anything with the Patriots. The Saints, they've
Speaker 1: done a lot of work on for Love. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this is some interesting scenarios here coming up. Minnesota. They've
Speaker 1: looked at these receivers, they looked at I expect it
Speaker 1: to be a receiver, a corner, or an offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: possibly a pass rusher with each your gross matos still
Speaker 1: on the board. So but Minnesota's got two picks here
Speaker 1: within you know, a four picks fans, so they at
Speaker 1: twenty two. You've got to go with the player that
Speaker 1: you don't think it's gonna make it to you at
Speaker 1: twenty five. Man Antoine Winfield would make a lot of
Speaker 1: sense for them at some point the draft, given that
Speaker 1: the background there with his dad. Oh yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: great point, Katie. I mean, his dad played fourteen years
Speaker 1: in the NFL, the majority of that career coming with
Speaker 1: the Vikings, and I know that he also played for Buffalo,
Speaker 1: which is kind of funny because you talk about Buffalo
Speaker 1: and the Bills and the fact that actually the Vikings
Speaker 1: got this twenty second selection from Buffalo earlier in their
Speaker 1: draft process. So I think it wouldn't make sense for them.
Speaker 1: Maybe not at twenty two though, yeah, twenty two or
Speaker 1: twenty five. I mean they got they got room to play.
Speaker 1: You know, you also have these teams at the back
Speaker 1: end of the first round that notoriously move around a lot.
Speaker 1: Now we've talked about the Saints moving up. We've talked
Speaker 1: about Seattle Dane missioned earlier, the team I used to
Speaker 1: move back. We've seen Green Bay last year, you know,
Speaker 1: a first draft with their their new GM, you know,
Speaker 1: get aggressive and move up about ten spots in this
Speaker 1: area to go get Darnell Savage and safety. They're a
Speaker 1: team who's got ten picks in this draft, so they
Speaker 1: might be a team that might gets aggressive to go
Speaker 1: get something they want, which could be a tackle, a
Speaker 1: wide receiver, or an inside linebacker. Um, you know, you
Speaker 1: have a lot of a lot of action at San
Speaker 1: Francisco at thirty one has also been a team he's
Speaker 1: talked about wanting to get out. But I still think
Speaker 1: this is maybe a part of the draft where maybe
Speaker 1: we start seeing more trades. And I know it's predicting
Speaker 1: a lot of trades before the day started, but maybe
Speaker 1: maybe this is where things start moving around a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get, I mean, San Francisco did their thing.
Speaker 1: I just feel like teams just kind of want to
Speaker 1: hang in there. They're like, look, we let's just go
Speaker 1: with what we know rather than try to get cute.
Speaker 1: And by the way, headlines starting excuse me, sorry, Katie,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say headlines starting to roll across
Speaker 1: on the screen about the Cowboys pick of Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: said that he was indeed their number one wide receiver
Speaker 1: on their board, so you know the front office is
Speaker 1: happy about that. But I think you could also see
Speaker 1: wide receivers start flying off the board here, whether it's
Speaker 1: the Vikings at twenty two or twenty five. Dolphins could
Speaker 1: use a wide receiver at twenty six if they don't
Speaker 1: want to look at a running back there. Seahawks, I
Speaker 1: know they can maybe use one Ravens there. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of spots here for some of those the
Speaker 1: second tier wide receivers behind the quote unquote big three
Speaker 1: that have already gone, but maybe Justin Jefferson. Where's the
Speaker 1: purple and gold. We've talked about him a little bit again,
Speaker 1: So I think there's definitely a spot for a wide
Speaker 1: receiver run. Kind of going against your point there, Kat
Speaker 1: thinks pick us in. We'll give you the announcement here
Speaker 1: in a minute. Patriots are making a trade there. Chargers
Speaker 1: will be on the clock for New England at twenty
Speaker 1: three three. So the Chargers moving back up into the
Speaker 1: first round. They had thirty seven from pick thirty seven, right, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: so they're thirty seven and seventy one. Who do they
Speaker 1: want tackle? I mean, you think with they go Josh Jones,
Speaker 1: Azaah Wilson as Cleveland or could be one of these
Speaker 1: receivers as the run of theis they really like whether
Speaker 1: that's and we'll see who comes off the board here
Speaker 1: at twenty two to the Vikings if it is a receiver.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's interesting that they felt like they
Speaker 1: needed to get in front of New Orleans at twenty
Speaker 1: four and the Vikings at twenty five to make that move.
Speaker 1: They've already got their quarterback. They selected Justin Herbert at
Speaker 1: the sixth overall pick, so there's no need to go
Speaker 1: up for a quarterback. I wouldn't be surprised to take
Speaker 1: another one here. Yeah, let's go get Jordan's love too.
Speaker 1: We gotta get a quarterback battle going here. But I
Speaker 1: think you could potentially look at a wide receiver. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a Denzel Mims or Justin Jefferson, depending on who's
Speaker 1: on the board following the pick for the Vikings that,
Speaker 1: like Katie said, has been in for the last couple
Speaker 1: of moments. But at least it gives an opportunity for
Speaker 1: them to snag one of those two individuals if one
Speaker 1: is whichever one's left over. You know, the Vikings they
Speaker 1: really like Etra Cleveland. I wouldn't be surprised if he
Speaker 1: would be the pick either here at twenty two or
Speaker 1: twenty five. And of course, with the fun things no
Speaker 1: longer in town, you know, they could always go receiver.
Speaker 1: They don't have to force it here. I think each
Speaker 1: mottos as a passion Grinnin like returning to the Vikings,
Speaker 1: he could be someone they look at. This is an
Speaker 1: interesting dynamic here, two first rounders back to back like
Speaker 1: this from Minnesota, and shouldick him up a two and
Speaker 1: a three for a one it's just such a New
Speaker 1: England trade too, though they always kind of been at
Speaker 1: least I feel like it's a win for them to
Speaker 1: pick up a two and a three. Well, and they
Speaker 1: didn't have it too, so this is a chance for
Speaker 1: them too. Then. Uh, there's a lot of picks, but
Speaker 1: not not picks. And it also kind of shows exactly
Speaker 1: where New England lie or where they have Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: I mean, they would have had a prime spot at
Speaker 1: maybe going and picking a quarterback. Maybe they are as
Speaker 1: sold on Jared'stidham as as some had kind of alluded
Speaker 1: to earlier. So I think maybe this is kind of
Speaker 1: a telltell sign that maybe Jordan Love is not necessarily
Speaker 1: the guy that New England is sold on. Yet here's
Speaker 1: the commissioner for the twenty second overall pick. Cool, come on,
Speaker 1: let's go a Viking fan with the twenty second edition
Speaker 1: twenty draft the Minnesota involved. I love it. Justin Jefferson
Speaker 1: wide receiver LSU. Well, here's Justin Jefferson wide receiver out
Speaker 1: of LSU goes twenty second and I made it. I
Speaker 1: made kind of a snarky little comment earlier. But the
Speaker 1: purple and gold stays with Justin Jefferson goes from LSU
Speaker 1: to the Vikings, and that's a pick that's going to
Speaker 1: help out Kirk Cousins quite a bit. Of course, they
Speaker 1: lose Stefon Diggs in the offseason. He needed another target
Speaker 1: to go to because now he's off the Buffalo. Now
Speaker 1: you got one in Justin Jefferson. Jefferson who he dominated
Speaker 1: out of the slot this past year, and so there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of projection there if you want him
Speaker 1: to play outside. But this the production that he had
Speaker 1: this year, eleven catches, over fifteen hundred yards, eighteen touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a throwback as a pass catcher because
Speaker 1: he's so He's Staddy at the at the stem. He's
Speaker 1: very tough, he's a reliable guy, and he could do
Speaker 1: so many things as an inside receiver. Now, I mean, Dave,
Speaker 1: you know this team better than a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Do you think he can kick outside and be just
Speaker 1: as productive as we saw this past year as a
Speaker 1: slot receiver. I hesitate to say that he can be
Speaker 1: just as productive. He had an insane season, but I
Speaker 1: really I think his skill set translates. Like I think
Speaker 1: he's toughinitely gets credit for he's great at going to
Speaker 1: get the ball, Like, if you're watching TV, they just
Speaker 1: showed him make a fantastic back shoulder catch. Him and
Speaker 1: Burrow have the most amazing chemistry on back shoulder balls,
Speaker 1: Like he can create separation against bbs even when he's
Speaker 1: not all the way open. I think that translates really
Speaker 1: well to being on the outside. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're gonna ask him to do it all the time,
Speaker 1: but I absolutely think he's got that versatility. Now you
Speaker 1: go for you. So I'm not sure Minnesota thought Jefferson
Speaker 1: would would make it that far. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought there were a lot of land mines in front
Speaker 1: of in front of Minnesota, namely, UH, the Eagles sitting
Speaker 1: there at twenty one that I'm not I'm sure wasn'tly
Speaker 1: surprised to see Jefferson still on the board for them,
Speaker 1: and UH kind of maybe changed how they were they
Speaker 1: viewed that pick, but I'm sure they were. They were
Speaker 1: happy to do it, and it'll be interesting the track
Speaker 1: now jeff Jefferson's career and to fund Big Buffalo, you know,
Speaker 1: because that that was the pick that they traded to
Speaker 1: uh to not have to worry about paying Diggs and
Speaker 1: worry about all that. He's a very talented player. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I think he's more of a throwback, very
Speaker 1: reliable player. My only question any play outside, Yeah, can
Speaker 1: you line him up any formation? He's still going to
Speaker 1: be in the same productive pro I think he can be.
Speaker 1: He was the last remaining player on the board. He's
Speaker 1: not in Philadelphia, so that's a that's a very very
Speaker 1: solid point. Now with the Chargers on the clock, you
Speaker 1: could be looking at a third straight wide receiver off
Speaker 1: the board. Yeah, I mean there are other deeds in
Speaker 1: LA For a team that's getting a new stadium, has
Speaker 1: a new quarterback, you could come up get a tackle,
Speaker 1: like Dane was saying a little bit earlier. But then
Speaker 1: you've got the Saints, the Vikings, and the Dolphins coming
Speaker 1: up next, and we still haven't seen a safety come
Speaker 1: off the board. And there's still a lot of the
Speaker 1: top corners there as well. I mean, you still got
Speaker 1: Diggs and Fulton on the board here in the late
Speaker 1: first round. There's I think you guys made a great
Speaker 1: point a little bit earlier when you went ahead and
Speaker 1: talked about the trades that could be happening. I mean
Speaker 1: there's Josh Jones, that's a tackle that I know a
Speaker 1: lot of teams like there's Jordan Loves still on the board,
Speaker 1: Grant Delpit either, Gross Matos, you run down the list,
Speaker 1: Zack Bond still on the board, and there are plenty
Speaker 1: of teams that are very high on these individuals. We've
Speaker 1: already seen one trade where the Chargers did take the
Speaker 1: twenty third pick and the pick is in. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of teams I think here in the back
Speaker 1: half of this first round that would be willing to
Speaker 1: back up a little bit. I'll say this too about
Speaker 1: the Chargers a little bit, and we were just talking
Speaker 1: about offsive tackle two areas on my team needs list.
Speaker 1: That kind of pops up one as linebacker. And again,
Speaker 1: none of those linebackers has gone Murray Queen, you're Jordan
Speaker 1: Brooks if you're gonna throw him in there from Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: But also, wide receiver Keenan Allen is gonna be a
Speaker 1: free agent after this year. It's not like they're going
Speaker 1: a ton going on at wide receiver right now. But
Speaker 1: I agree with Dan, I think offensive tackle makes the
Speaker 1: most sense. You're trying to build that thing up and
Speaker 1: protect Justin Herbert for the future. But you know my
Speaker 1: team leads list. Slidebacker popped up as well. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: need offensive tackle, linebacker, wide receiver. I think those are
Speaker 1: the top three needs. But out of those three, who's
Speaker 1: necessarily the top pick. Out of those maybe Kenneth Murray,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe Patrick Queen, depending on which one of
Speaker 1: those guys you have hire. I think the linebackers might
Speaker 1: still be the best players available out of at least
Speaker 1: the needs that the Chargers could potentially have. Here, it's
Speaker 1: a great player right now overall? Is that Janessa? So
Speaker 1: that the Patriots might consider him? So that's uh, that's
Speaker 1: at least who's available for me? So for me, for me,
Speaker 1: it's Jordan Love um and obviously Kenneth Murray linebacker Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray, linebacker out of Oklahoma. And and that's a
Speaker 1: good pick. It was one of the top players at
Speaker 1: least on my board. And like Dane was saying, maybe
Speaker 1: Jordan Love just not a fit because they've already selected
Speaker 1: their quarterback. But instead of going with an offensive counterpart
Speaker 1: to Jordan Love, now you go on the defensive side
Speaker 1: and address that. I mean, I'm not trying to I
Speaker 1: don't like to bash on on players. I mean these guys,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's Kenneth Murray's dream to get drafted.
Speaker 1: But I mean just talking about the value. Not that
Speaker 1: I think Kenneth Murray's a help a player, but a
Speaker 1: fourteen spot trade for an off ball linebacker, I don't know, Man,
Speaker 1: they want him to go be there, Junior say out,
Speaker 1: you know, go be that guy who's your team leader,
Speaker 1: difference maker on defense for years. So that's what that's
Speaker 1: what you're seeing. If you're if you're giving up that
Speaker 1: much inventory to move up that for it's it's a
Speaker 1: quality over quantity. I mean you you are really banking
Speaker 1: on him being an impact player for your defense, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know it puts pressure on player. Uh you remember
Speaker 1: when the Saints traded a first round or to go
Speaker 1: back up and get Marcus Davenport in the first round
Speaker 1: and the type of pressure that puts on a play
Speaker 1: or to live up to that type of hype and
Speaker 1: that type of you know, talk about the value that's
Speaker 1: gonna be that's gonna be attached to Murray that he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to live up to. Put a little more
Speaker 1: pressure on him. Not Trump pick, but he's a fun player.
Speaker 1: I think He's late through things at times, but he
Speaker 1: is a terrific run and chase player. He's a tweak
Speaker 1: his strike zone a little bit, loves to tackle high.
Speaker 1: But the competitive energy, the play speed both off the
Speaker 1: charts for this player. Well, you talk about he's, by
Speaker 1: the way, emotional on the screen right now, a very
Speaker 1: passionate player, and you can see that in his film.
Speaker 1: The lateral movement is there. You talk about the closing speed,
Speaker 1: the process and ability. He's football smart and you can
Speaker 1: see that just how quickly he's able to process. Like
Speaker 1: Dane said, he's got a little bit of a formation issue,
Speaker 1: which is tackling a little bit high. You don't necessarily
Speaker 1: like that in an off ball linebacker, but he's not.
Speaker 1: He's still not afraid to go downhill and hit somebody,
Speaker 1: and so I think that's something that at least you
Speaker 1: like about a guy like if Murray. Second Oklahoma player
Speaker 1: off the board following our CD Lamb. By the way,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw that out there. That's all
Speaker 1: I wanted to do Thereason ever since, oh Man, don't
Speaker 1: don't blame you at all. Yeah, I was just I'm
Speaker 1: also scared and shaking on my fourteen mile run that
Speaker 1: I've got to do. But now you set up a
Speaker 1: potential of where can Jordan Love go? Do the Saints
Speaker 1: want to back up quarterback Drew Brees isn't going to
Speaker 1: be there forever. You do have a couple options in
Speaker 1: terms of cornerbacks still there, there's safety is still available.
Speaker 1: But what are you seeing here, Dane? For the Saints
Speaker 1: at twenty four, the Queen, to me is the perfect fit.
Speaker 1: They need to get younger at linebacker. And when you
Speaker 1: look at this is this is a big time player
Speaker 1: Louisiana in high school. It was to LSU was a
Speaker 1: big reason why they won a national title and had
Speaker 1: some six sun defense. And you know why not? New
Speaker 1: Orleans needs more young, explosive players on that side of
Speaker 1: the ball. And I think Patrick Queen gives to him.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, Dave, I'll let you
Speaker 1: gush about about Queen and what he could bring to
Speaker 1: a defense. Actually, And I mean, I love that I
Speaker 1: keep having to talk about the l two players as
Speaker 1: if I'm not compromised enough. But Queen is interesting to me.
Speaker 1: Queen honestly reminds me a lot of Layton Vanderesh And
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily mean the way they play like that
Speaker 1: sounds silly. Vanderesh has several inches on Queen, like they
Speaker 1: don't look alike, but in a very similar capacity, Patrick
Speaker 1: Queen just flew onto the scene off the strength of
Speaker 1: absurd athleticism. You know. Vanderesh, you know, only played what
Speaker 1: two years of college football. Queen didn't start until he
Speaker 1: was a third of the way through this past season.
Speaker 1: They just couldn't keep him off the field anymore. And honestly,
Speaker 1: as good as this year, I thought of him more
Speaker 1: as like a Day two pick. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Queen's probably like a top sixty pick, but those measurables. Man,
Speaker 1: if you can if you're not a liability and coverage
Speaker 1: and you can diagnose plays and go run and hit,
Speaker 1: that's valuable in a league that's so pass heavy, you
Speaker 1: need linebackers that are not a liability. In the past game,
Speaker 1: I absolutely think Patrick Queen is that, and it has
Speaker 1: been remarkable to see him shoot from I mean, he
Speaker 1: was a backup that people didn't know if he could
Speaker 1: replace Devin White, for like, I hope this Queen kid
Speaker 1: can replace Devin White, and you know, nine months later
Speaker 1: he might go in the top thirty of the draft.
Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. His first career start was, sorry, the
Speaker 1: first career start was when Devin White was suspended the
Speaker 1: first half of the game last year eighteen. And then
Speaker 1: he takes over as the starter, and he got better.
Speaker 1: With the more football that he saw. You could kind
Speaker 1: of still all illuminate more and more and more, and
Speaker 1: you got another young player still only twenty years old,
Speaker 1: but with that explosive ability that you kind of bank
Speaker 1: on that with those traits moving forward, I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, because of what they've done at wide receiver
Speaker 1: with Emmanuel Sanders, that might be off the table right now. Um. Possibly, um,
Speaker 1: he's you know with Queen. And I'm sorry if you
Speaker 1: did this stat already day because you have tons of
Speaker 1: great nuggets and I'm regurgitatings up and you said, but
Speaker 1: I had him down for over five hundred coverage snaps
Speaker 1: and never won for more than twenty yards. That's what
Speaker 1: I had him death for. It's awesome. I hope you
Speaker 1: didn't say that, numb regurgitating it while I'm looking up
Speaker 1: my notes for it. No, I know, go ahead, Jordan
Speaker 1: Love right, I mean that could be that could be
Speaker 1: time to go ahead and go ahead and pull the
Speaker 1: trigger there. At some point we got to figure out
Speaker 1: who their quarterback is after Drew Brees. Drew Brees already
Speaker 1: signed a broadcasting deal. Okay, so like it. It's it's
Speaker 1: getting pretty close. Seems now is as good at times anyway? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the SATs done a lot of work and love
Speaker 1: it would not be surprised at all if that interestion
Speaker 1: they win, Like you said, I mean, Taysom Hill, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's hard to you know, obviously the Saints
Speaker 1: love him. How much do they love Do they really
Speaker 1: think he could be the guy? Could they really hand
Speaker 1: the keys from Drew Brees a Taysom Hill? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that most of us on the outside looking
Speaker 1: in don't think that. But what it Sean Payton think.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's all that matters. So you know that that
Speaker 1: is something to watch him with this quarterback situation. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, are you pressured to maybe go
Speaker 1: for a player that's gonna help you win right now?
Speaker 1: Because you do only have Drew Brees for maybe one
Speaker 1: more season, and drafting a quarterback in the first round
Speaker 1: is not going to help you get any closer to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in the seat in twenty twenty. Well,
Speaker 1: you also got to look at even out of the
Speaker 1: needs that we have Patrick Queen backer obviously there quarterback.
Speaker 1: Is there just as a backup corner, maybe corner a
Speaker 1: little bit. I know they've added some secondary help with
Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins. They had an Emmanuel Sanders to the wide
Speaker 1: receiver corps. I would say wide receiver here, but I
Speaker 1: don't think necessarily that's one spot. Any other needs that
Speaker 1: kind of stick out to you guys that they could
Speaker 1: potentially be looking at here going into the off season.
Speaker 1: I would have said wide receiver, but Emmanuel Sanders really
Speaker 1: does help out with that. They you know, probably like
Speaker 1: to get a little more out of drink one Smith.
Speaker 1: You could still gold receiver. I mean still again because
Speaker 1: like what I just mentioned about going for it, you know,
Speaker 1: having one season, what are the Tampa Bay Bucks doing.
Speaker 1: They're going for it right now with a short window
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady if they have one more teasing Drew Breezes.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how much you're gonna rely
Speaker 1: on a rookie receiver to necessarily put you over the top.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna cool it out. We're gonna cut you
Speaker 1: off here, Dan, here's the pipe. We missed the pick again.
Speaker 1: But Caesar Ruise out of Michigan the offensive linemen, real
Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman. That's uh that's not one of the
Speaker 1: needs that we kind of put out there. I have
Speaker 1: it as a secondary need in my my I have
Speaker 1: their primary and secondary needs. I had interior offensive lineman
Speaker 1: in there, but I thought it was Farchigan. He's dedicated
Speaker 1: his career. Interesting, that's a really interesting move. They moved
Speaker 1: up for McCoy last year, and that's I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: They just traded for Eric McCoy, and I thought he
Speaker 1: played pretty well last year. He had a great rookie season.
Speaker 1: I think this is you're drafting him for uh more
Speaker 1: as a guard, because I mean, you look at Caesar
Speaker 1: of Weeds. He did play some guard in Michigan. So
Speaker 1: unless you're thinking about I don't think they're thinking about
Speaker 1: moving Eric McCoy after the season he had, So maybe
Speaker 1: you're looking to move Ruise inside a guard. I mean
Speaker 1: they what they brought back Andrew's pet at guard, keep
Speaker 1: Louise to right guard. You know, is that an upgrade
Speaker 1: over over Larry Warford? Is an interesting move here and
Speaker 1: we've talked about receiver helping out Drew Brees, adding offensive
Speaker 1: line depth. That's never a poor choice, so usually not
Speaker 1: a poor choice. The final years of Romo talking about
Speaker 1: Hey would rather have pressure on the outside than the
Speaker 1: pressure up the middle. That's the one that bothered him
Speaker 1: the most, the pressure that's in your face more than
Speaker 1: than when it's taking time to collapse the pocket. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, a guy who's not really mobile anymore, Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: we've always talked about his linked and how he needs
Speaker 1: a little room. Maybe staring up what you have there
Speaker 1: up the middle, maybe that makes a little bit of sense.
Speaker 1: But I definitely didn't see that coming. No, I didn't
Speaker 1: see that coming at all. But yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna try to, you know, obviously the Saints are
Speaker 1: trying to make one last push and get over the
Speaker 1: hump and win another Super Bowl before they don't have breeze.
Speaker 1: I'm shocked. I mean, you know, we all would have
Speaker 1: guessed Crews play center. I guess he still could. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they'll have a position battle. Well, So he's so
Speaker 1: quick off the line of scrimmage, he's got those big,
Speaker 1: meaty hands, he's got eleven inch hands. I thought that
Speaker 1: was interesting coming out of the combine. And the thing
Speaker 1: is is he's so young. He's still early in that
Speaker 1: developmental curve, especially as an interior offensive lineman that I
Speaker 1: think you could move him around. And like Dane said,
Speaker 1: he has played some guard. It's not necessarily a pick
Speaker 1: that I think you would have made a twenty four.
Speaker 1: I think there might have been better options, whether it
Speaker 1: be linebacker, who I have a as a higher need
Speaker 1: than center or guard for the Saints. But if you
Speaker 1: were going to pick one, this would probably be the guy.
Speaker 1: But the fun thing is you get to process this
Speaker 1: stuff real in time. So you know, they were linked
Speaker 1: to Patrick Queen and made a lot of sense, but
Speaker 1: they got to Mario Davis. They got guys over there
Speaker 1: they could do that, and if you're going to win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, you might as well just fortify that
Speaker 1: thing up for Drew reason let them go. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I see the logic. I'm surprised by it, but I
Speaker 1: see the logic. Maybe they're getting things beefed up for
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill when Drew Brees retires as a running quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't know, throwing it out there. So at twenty
Speaker 1: five it's Minnesota, and then you have the Dolphins who
Speaker 1: got their quarterback. Then you got Seattle, then you have
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and the Ravens at twenty eight. My Jordan
Speaker 1: loved targets have now moved to twenty nine. The Titans
Speaker 1: maybe start developing someone behind Tannehill and then green Bay
Speaker 1: at thirty maybe time to search Frere Rogers are apparent
Speaker 1: getting a quarterback late in the first round, just like
Speaker 1: they did and Rogers so many years ago. Wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be fitting if it were to be green Bay that
Speaker 1: maybe does Land Jordan Love a guy who may not
Speaker 1: be ready for an NFL career, but could get into
Speaker 1: that spot, the spot that would make sense. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this is Trey trade and Vikings. Yeah, trade pick twenty
Speaker 1: five two San Francisco, and we talked about forty nine
Speaker 1: ers wanting to make some noise. They were right at
Speaker 1: the end of that first round, pick thirty one. I
Speaker 1: wonder what they gave in order to get that selection.
Speaker 1: I thought the Niners would go back again. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of surprised to see him going up. I wonder what
Speaker 1: it costs him because they did not have many picks
Speaker 1: entering today. Um, that is an interesting move someone they
Speaker 1: really want. It could be an offensive tackle to be
Speaker 1: Israel Cleveland. Yeah, it could it be Josh Jones receiver.
Speaker 1: I think Dentel Meim Brandon Ike. That's that's a possibility there.
Speaker 1: That really interesting move for the forty nine ers, who
Speaker 1: they they had two first round picks and they didn't
Speaker 1: pick again into the fifth. But what they did pick
Speaker 1: up what a fourth round pick in the trade back
Speaker 1: with the Bucks. So this must be a twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one draft pick, I would guess to move up from
Speaker 1: thirty just got it? Uh, thirty one, one seventeen and
Speaker 1: one seventy six. That's nothing, Yeah, I mean that's they
Speaker 1: treated a fourth and a fifth to move up. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not much at all. Maybe the maybe
Speaker 1: the Vikings just didn't have a guy they liked, because
Speaker 1: that just doesn't seem like enough to move six spots
Speaker 1: in the first round, either that or the guy that
Speaker 1: they like that maybe a little bit later. I mean
Speaker 1: they have a chance to pick a thirty one still. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have a handful of guys that they like. They
Speaker 1: feel pretty good one of them still gonna be there
Speaker 1: at thirty one. Yeah, went on the trade yard. This
Speaker 1: is where I have to throw it out for the
Speaker 1: sake of discussion. You want to start giving second we
Speaker 1: do you have the San Francisco forty nine or with
Speaker 1: the twenty fifth pick and the two thy twenty NFL
Speaker 1: Draft San Francisco forty nine ers. So like Brandon, I
Speaker 1: you why receiver or a wide receiver out of Arizona State.
Speaker 1: So it was a wide receiver. They wanted their guy.
Speaker 1: They went up and snagged him. Now they did not
Speaker 1: pick a wide receiver earlier. Of course, they went with
Speaker 1: Javon kin Wall and pick fourteen overall, but they did
Speaker 1: go up and get a slot guy in IU. Interesting
Speaker 1: that they were worried about all those teams in front
Speaker 1: of them that they wanted. I got badly and I
Speaker 1: used a really good player. And he's one of the
Speaker 1: most explosive players in this raft, one of the best
Speaker 1: after the catch um and he really exploded on the
Speaker 1: scene his past year. He was stuck going to kill
Speaker 1: Harry Shadow last year. Juco Kid paid a lot of
Speaker 1: corner at the Juico level. He has yet to play
Speaker 1: his best football. So big fan of IUK, I don't
Speaker 1: think this is too early for him. Just a little surprised.
Speaker 1: Niers made it smooth. Now about a guy who can
Speaker 1: take it to the house and pretty much anytime he
Speaker 1: touches the ball, he's very dangerous. And you know that
Speaker 1: offense where it's you know, a lot of creativity in
Speaker 1: the offense, getting guys open, finding a way to get
Speaker 1: guys open, running a look of picks, good route concepts.
Speaker 1: They make it easy to get the ball into his hands.
Speaker 1: They'll do a lot of stuff with him. So it
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. You identify a guy you
Speaker 1: like right there, trade up for him, especially winning on
Speaker 1: the trade chart right there. Solid work again by San Francisco.
Speaker 1: But that's what I was gonna. I'm sorry, Kyle, I
Speaker 1: was just go for it. It's just, you know, it's
Speaker 1: easy to forget the way that drafts actually work because
Speaker 1: we watch these guys and we're like, oh, why would
Speaker 1: you trade up for AUK when you know you still
Speaker 1: have all these other receivers. I mean, what other receivers
Speaker 1: are still available? I don't even have the list in
Speaker 1: front of me. I know, Denzel Mims there, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's you got exactly. And my point being is like
Speaker 1: we sit there and say, why would you trade up
Speaker 1: for these guys. San Francisco clearly identified the guy. If
Speaker 1: they think they can do it the best, they might
Speaker 1: might not like a single one of those other guys.
Speaker 1: And if you're sitting there in your arrange, you do
Speaker 1: what you gotta do to get it done. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, they won the trade as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: that was awesome for them. Well, and you also take
Speaker 1: a team that was in the Super Bowl last year
Speaker 1: who has a ton of young talent, both a young quarterback,
Speaker 1: a young defensive corps. You add another spot on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football, a defensive tackle for javon Kinlaw.
Speaker 1: Then you also turn around and you add a wide
Speaker 1: receiver to help out Jimmy Garoppolo. I think this is
Speaker 1: a magnificent spot. You get a solid, starting caliber player
Speaker 1: on both sides of the football. You pick twice in
Speaker 1: the top twenty five, and then you're almost done. But
Speaker 1: you can still shure up some things later on, depending
Speaker 1: on how many more picks they have. I don't have
Speaker 1: it in front of me, but I mean there's plenty
Speaker 1: of options here, and I think this was one of
Speaker 1: those options that they said, hey, it's worth a risk.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and trade what we've got left in
Speaker 1: terms of draft capital and pick two top twenty five guys. Kat,
Speaker 1: you say with the numbers were in the belly chart, Yes,
Speaker 1: so that would be they won by about sixty points
Speaker 1: on the trade value chart, which is the equivalent of
Speaker 1: you know, a fourth round the middle of the fourth
Speaker 1: round pick or kind of early fourth round pick. Um.
Speaker 1: That's assuming my math is correct, and I do think
Speaker 1: it is, because that's pretty good at math. Is a
Speaker 1: He is a you know, a potential to be a
Speaker 1: yat machine, the way he hits top speed so fast.
Speaker 1: But there's a there's a clip in the game from Colorado,
Speaker 1: I believe where he reverses field and you know it's
Speaker 1: some of those players where the fans you're going, what's
Speaker 1: he doing running backwards? No, he's out running the entire
Speaker 1: defense and taking like, reversing field all the way around
Speaker 1: and turning what was a lost play into a big game.
Speaker 1: Just a really dangerous player to add to the San
Speaker 1: Francisco offense that already has George Kittle and Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 1: And that's just I mean, okay, that's just good work.
Speaker 1: Identifying a guy you like and go get it. So
Speaker 1: I love it. I love what San Francisco has done
Speaker 1: the night, assuming Ken laws, you know, medicals and off
Speaker 1: the field questions still play out. Getting Javon kin Law
Speaker 1: and Brandon Ayuk's pretty good haul for the for the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. Now they're pretty much out of picks.
Speaker 1: Now you know that I'll be doing much. But that's
Speaker 1: a pretty good roster already. Well, I got in Dolphins
Speaker 1: on the clock for the third straight time. Sorry, go ahead, Dane. Now,
Speaker 1: I say the definition of a playmaker is someone that
Speaker 1: turns small place in the big place, and that's exactly
Speaker 1: how you does. So I'm looking at the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers attack with Deebo, Samuel and Brandon au can throw
Speaker 1: George Kittle in there. That's a pretty impressive three headed
Speaker 1: pass catching trio. That that's that's gonna be. Whether it's
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo moving forward or whoever, that could be a
Speaker 1: dynamic group that you can win with. Yeah, adding uh,
Speaker 1: adding Auk and Javan to a team that just lost
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, even if they don't pick again, I
Speaker 1: don't think any buddy in San franz is gonna be
Speaker 1: mad about that. It's interesting that they passed on all
Speaker 1: those receivers earlier in the first round and then trade
Speaker 1: up frying you. It just tells you they must not
Speaker 1: have had a big gap between those that top grouper receivers.
Speaker 1: Then I came up at him pretty closely rated and
Speaker 1: also identifying guys that I fit what Kyle Shanahan wants
Speaker 1: to do too, Like you know, offensive minded coach who
Speaker 1: does have say it in their draft room a little bit?
Speaker 1: Does he fit what I do is is are you
Speaker 1: going to actual think it's It felt like that's the
Speaker 1: type of thing where, hey, they had circled all along,
Speaker 1: maybe we can get Kin Law here. They felt uncomfortable
Speaker 1: in trading back one spot to get Kin Law and
Speaker 1: replace Deforced Buttner who that traded. And then I can
Speaker 1: now we have the Dolphins of the clock, Dolphins, you know,
Speaker 1: pulling up their teammates. They've already got Tuah and obviously
Speaker 1: they got to Austin Jackson the offensive tackle pulling up
Speaker 1: their team age right now. Offensive line always need for them.
Speaker 1: It seems really kind of everything because it's not a
Speaker 1: great roster that look defensive tackle, linebacker, safety, wide receiver,
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything that they could probably add
Speaker 1: this would be the first running back off the board.
Speaker 1: I really could. I mentioned it before how they could
Speaker 1: do a facelift of the entire offense with left tackle,
Speaker 1: the quarterback, the running back, and if you draft two,
Speaker 1: get him as much help as you can. Left tackle
Speaker 1: does that. Standout running back does that. And Dolphins pick
Speaker 1: again pretty soon in a second at thirty nine overall,
Speaker 1: so I don't necessarily have to do that. They can
Speaker 1: draft a running back at thirty nine if they wanted to.
Speaker 1: Could they go pass rusher? Here? Gross motsos at this point,
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe you mentioned all those needs a KT.
Speaker 1: They could go in a lot of different directions here.
Speaker 1: Rappaport has just tweeted out that the Dolphins are in
Speaker 1: aid talks with the Packers right now about potentially trading back.
Speaker 1: So that's the biggest There's a minute left on the
Speaker 1: clock or so right around there and pick still not
Speaker 1: in sod. This be your Jordan Love type area. It's
Speaker 1: right before the Seahawks, the Ravens, the Titans. I don't
Speaker 1: think out of those three it would probably be the Titans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Green Bay is now on the clock. They gave up
Speaker 1: their pick thirty and they give up their fourth rounder
Speaker 1: to get up to twenty six. Another player, Patrick Queen
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Green Bay loss Black Martinez
Speaker 1: to the Giants. They need so much help an inside linebacker,
Speaker 1: also need help with wide receiver, also need help offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the future Jordan Love of That can
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. But Patrick Queen wouldn't surprise
Speaker 1: me either if that was the move. But they value
Speaker 1: linebacker enough to go Queen's time. Do you think I
Speaker 1: would say, given that they didn't even really make Blake
Speaker 1: Martinez an offer, Probably not, um Man, I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I know they've done a lot of work on Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: Um I know the idea of grooming someone is something
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur would like if you're trading up for someone
Speaker 1: from their quarterback mix sense we talked about to go
Speaker 1: feels like. But Queen makes sense to Denzel Mims. You know,
Speaker 1: I thought you trying to put in a nice little
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Run together here at the back end of
Speaker 1: the first they need help there. They don't have anyone
Speaker 1: who can really get open outside Adams. I mean they
Speaker 1: added Devin fun alanzor end up having a good year.
Speaker 1: He is not a classic separator. They do need to
Speaker 1: help Aaron Rodgers out and his closing years, But they
Speaker 1: also lost Bolaga to the Chargers, So you know, you're
Speaker 1: talking about a t got a lot of holes to
Speaker 1: fill for a team that went to the NFC Championship Game.
Speaker 1: To see them trade up, we just kind of talked
Speaker 1: about that with the Saints. You kind of got a
Speaker 1: short window here. Are you gonna start to look at
Speaker 1: the future or go? Now the commissioner for this, let's go.
Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins have traded the twenty sixth pick to
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. With the twenty six pick in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, quarterback Utah State. Lafleur goes out and gets
Speaker 1: the air to the throne of Aaron Rodgers. Jordan Love
Speaker 1: the selection at twenty six overall. They trade up with
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins and select the Utah State quarterback and
Speaker 1: Jordan Loves a great players. He's a project, but he's
Speaker 1: still got every single tool you could potentially have. But
Speaker 1: now Lafleur has the guy, and of course Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: was the guy drafted behind Brett Far and the Packers
Speaker 1: kind of sticking with that same kind of mantra. This
Speaker 1: is a crazy I mean, it's it's funny when you think.
Speaker 1: You think about two thousand and five and Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: sitting there, sitting there, sitting there. Packers finally draft him,
Speaker 1: and he sits behind Brett Far for a few years.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, he sits there, sits there, sits there. Packers
Speaker 1: draft him and yeah, he's the heir apparent. It's love
Speaker 1: talents not the question. It's just can you rain it
Speaker 1: all in and allow him to be a more consistent
Speaker 1: decision maker. You see the flashes at Pat Mahomes. You
Speaker 1: see a guy that can put the ball anywhere he
Speaker 1: wants in the field, throws with anticipation. Candy be more consistent.
Speaker 1: The interceptions went from six to seventeen this year, and
Speaker 1: the context is that, uh, you know, first head coach
Speaker 1: and only one returning starter on offense. He pressed a lot.
Speaker 1: Talent's not a question, it's just can you get him
Speaker 1: to be more consistent? God, there should be some tits
Speaker 1: conversations between the Floor and Rogers over the next three years.
Speaker 1: This is ridging. You think Rogers knew about this. No,
Speaker 1: not at all, because he stays out of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be held accountable for anything. This
Speaker 1: is this is like such a perfect case of like
Speaker 1: the truth is stranger than fiction, right, Like they get
Speaker 1: Rogers at a discount far of as a fiery competitive
Speaker 1: dude who's trying to win at the tail end of
Speaker 1: his career. He's like not great to Rogers. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe not a total jerk, but like didn't really appreciate
Speaker 1: that he was there. They had like a pretty contentious relationship.
Speaker 1: Rodgers is, you know, a fiery competitive guy who's hard
Speaker 1: to get along with. You know, he's dying for the
Speaker 1: Packers to add some receivers and now he's got to
Speaker 1: deal with the quarterback who's supposed to replace him. Like,
Speaker 1: what are the odds that Rogers would have to face
Speaker 1: the same challenge as his predecessor, Like, hey, freaking love it.
Speaker 1: Hey Aaron, it's okay, we got you, Devin Funcius, it's
Speaker 1: all gonna be okay. Yeah, that's not gonna fly. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be That's gonna be awkward, dude. Maybe if
Speaker 1: it's any consolation, If it's any consolation, like a lot
Speaker 1: of these receivers are gone, you know, justin Jefferson's gone,
Speaker 1: Ayuka's gone, Ragor's gone, the Big three or obviously gone.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Denzel Mims is there, but I
Speaker 1: can still get that guy in the second or third round. Maybe, Well,
Speaker 1: how I feel about these future picks like this, because
Speaker 1: sometimes it's smartens it sometimes it works out like it
Speaker 1: did with Aaron Rodgers, But man, I really want to
Speaker 1: see the rest of your draft at the end of this.
Speaker 1: I'll be really interested to see what else they came
Speaker 1: up with, because that is a team who just not
Speaker 1: only not only just wide receivers, but from a protection standpoint,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers needs a little help to losing a book
Speaker 1: in tackle and Bilaga. And then you know that defense
Speaker 1: throughout his entire career has never been really good enough
Speaker 1: to go get him a lot of playoff victories. They've
Speaker 1: lost a lot of playoff games where they've put up
Speaker 1: thirty points. And just to kind of have some guys
Speaker 1: on the board that you think that that you thought
Speaker 1: might make sense that to go ahead and say, you
Speaker 1: know what, but look, Green Bay also had ten picks
Speaker 1: coming in. They could be a team that gets active
Speaker 1: and on day two and gets back in the mixing
Speaker 1: and maybe get some players. We've talked about the wide
Speaker 1: receiver class being deep and things like that, but we're
Speaker 1: all happy for a guy like Jordan Love who could
Speaker 1: have left Utah State, could have transferred, decided to stick
Speaker 1: it out there with a new coach, new system, even
Speaker 1: though the odds were kind of stacked against him a
Speaker 1: little bit. Kind of give him credit for tough of
Speaker 1: day out up there, because we've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: guys go, oh, it's start working out for me. Let
Speaker 1: me go to let me go find Lincoln Riley, you know,
Speaker 1: so respect to him one. You also kind of talk
Speaker 1: about Jordan Love overall, the type of comparisons that are
Speaker 1: being made right now. Of course, Aaron Rodgers was picked
Speaker 1: twenty fourth overall in his draft, and now sixth overall
Speaker 1: goes Jordan Love, both of which California guys. Now, Rogers
Speaker 1: is a little bit more Southern California, or excuse me,
Speaker 1: Love is a little bit more Southern California than Rogers was,
Speaker 1: as Rogers was more of a no no cow guy.
Speaker 1: But there's some comparisons between the two of them, and
Speaker 1: of course the careers of Brett fav and Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: are now going to be compared at that point. But
Speaker 1: moving on to twenty seven and Seattle and the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: this is kind of one of those intriguing picks to
Speaker 1: me because you're still going to see a very high
Speaker 1: caliber player go here. There's so many of those guys
Speaker 1: still on the board, whether it be as zach Baum
Speaker 1: or a Bond excuse me, ter Gross, Mato's, Denzel Mims,
Speaker 1: T Higgins. There's plenty of guys. Even cornerbacks Christian Fulton
Speaker 1: is still on the board here. And the Seahawks could
Speaker 1: go in any direction. Yeah, running back I mentioned earlier
Speaker 1: as could be that you know, you just you never
Speaker 1: know what the Seahawks that could happen. What about Patrick Queen,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of being the guy that's eventually gonna
Speaker 1: take over, uh for uh you know, the the great
Speaker 1: linebackers they have there, Uh, Bobby Watoner and kJ Ruddy
Speaker 1: that kind of deal. So, uh that's something you can
Speaker 1: we see, Uh Patrick Queen come off the board here
Speaker 1: at twenty seven. I don't I don't think it's eat
Speaker 1: your gross mantos. Uh, this this isn't you know, you
Speaker 1: never go Seattle. They always kind of pull out a surprise,
Speaker 1: and so I don't think I'm a little surprised or picking,
Speaker 1: but this, this would be a surprised on the loss. Well,
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about too, Gladnee Fulton digs those
Speaker 1: cornerbacks who are still on the board there as well.
Speaker 1: That might be an area that they, you know, try
Speaker 1: to address too. Um Diggs, he was what they what
Speaker 1: they like? One quick note that just came across, So
Speaker 1: it says that, uh, they drafted Aaron Rodgers when Farv
Speaker 1: was thirty five. So Aaron Aaron Rodgers is thirty six
Speaker 1: and they're drafting Jordan Love. So that's about the time
Speaker 1: Aaron roddag is just gonna be in and out of
Speaker 1: retirement for two or three years and make it real tense.
Speaker 1: But you guys, do you guys ever watch True Detective
Speaker 1: h Yeah? First season time is a flat circle. Baby,
Speaker 1: let's go, yes, sir. Season two wasn't hit it too much,
Speaker 1: but I stopped at season one. It's fine. Season three
Speaker 1: was good. But Seattle, this is the this is what
Speaker 1: we like to call it in fact rapping ports reporting.
Speaker 1: It's not a trade. So Seattle not trading out as
Speaker 1: a surprise in itself. Patrick Queen, you mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: the other linebacker that they just kind of last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. You know, people starting to talk about is
Speaker 1: Jordan Brooks Murkhart right there. Local guy guaranteed it Tech,
Speaker 1: he guaranteed first rounder. So maybe he was promised by someone.
Speaker 1: But Queen Queen makes a lot of sense, and I
Speaker 1: think that's something something I would value. You can't have
Speaker 1: enough protection in Seattle either though, given you know the
Speaker 1: history of protecting Russell Wilson. But we see tackle here,
Speaker 1: tackles still there. Those guys we've been talking about are
Speaker 1: all kind of hanging around Damn Peter's kitchen is dope.
Speaker 1: I still think it's kind of odd that Patrick Queen
Speaker 1: is still on the board at this moment. I'm a
Speaker 1: little surprised by that because I think both him and
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray were pretty close on my board, and I
Speaker 1: think overall, Patrick Queen's a solid player that could help
Speaker 1: out a defense immediately. The fact that he's still on
Speaker 1: the board and that linebacker is obviously a need for
Speaker 1: the Seahawks kind of surprised me a little bit. Depending
Speaker 1: on where they end up going if they go away
Speaker 1: from George or excuse me from Patrick Queen, I'd be
Speaker 1: a little bit surprised here. They added in free agency
Speaker 1: Greg Olsen to tight end, Philip Door said wide receiver,
Speaker 1: Vincent Mayota for a pass rusher, and then of course
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys, and then Chance Warmack and cedric O
Speaker 1: Bouyer in offensive line help. They are pretty active in
Speaker 1: free agency of adding some names to oh Man, some holes.
Speaker 1: That's I think the Seahawks are gonna get weird like
Speaker 1: they always do, aren't they They always do. They're a
Speaker 1: weird team. John Schneider does not care what anybody thinks.
Speaker 1: They're gonna take who they want and they'll be perfectly
Speaker 1: fine with that. What John Schneider found Cam Cancel our
Speaker 1: most valuable. It's great to see our teams and stadiums
Speaker 1: helping those who need it the most in our community.
Speaker 1: So with the twenty seventh pick in the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks for like Jordan Brooks linebacker
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. Jordan Brooks, linebacker Texas Tech, is the next
Speaker 1: pick for the Seattle Seahawks at the twenty seventh overall selection.
Speaker 1: Sorry to cut you off there, Dave, Like you said,
Speaker 1: they're getting a little bit weird. I thought it'd be
Speaker 1: Patrick Queen, but instead they go with Brooks. That's a
Speaker 1: surprise to see George Roscoe, not necessarily in the first round,
Speaker 1: but ahead of Patrick Queen. Definitely surprised there and Brooks. Hey,
Speaker 1: it is a productive guy as a tremendous resume. Instead
Speaker 1: outside versatility, he's a little shorter and you can see
Speaker 1: there are times where he's late to read the backfield action,
Speaker 1: but he's got that range where he can make up
Speaker 1: for it and you see him consistent. So a really
Speaker 1: good player who I thought would be there on day two,
Speaker 1: but I understand why he's coming off the board and
Speaker 1: day one just a little surprise is before Patrick Queen's
Speaker 1: off the board. Honestly, it reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: what they did with Rashad Penny. We were talking about
Speaker 1: that earlier. It's a good point. No, everybody, everybody thought
Speaker 1: Penny was a good player, but I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 1: He went ahead of Sony Michelle in that draft, even
Speaker 1: ahead of Nick Chubb. He went ahead of carry On Johnson.
Speaker 1: Uh And that's I mean, that's not to say Jordan
Speaker 1: Brooks is going to be a disappointment. I think he's
Speaker 1: a good player. I thought he was more of like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you pick him in the forties. Um,
Speaker 1: I agree, I mean he's a good player. But yeah,
Speaker 1: to see him come off the board before Patrick Queen,
Speaker 1: who is pretty universally regarded as the you know, or
Speaker 1: was regarded as a top twenty five pick, it's a
Speaker 1: little surprising. I think a Texas Tech defensive player, you gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta not carruth truth. I mean, so John Schneider
Speaker 1: does not care. He takes he's taken talent and like
Speaker 1: he's the first All American linebacker at Texas Tech since
Speaker 1: a guy named Zach Thomas maybe I heard of him.
Speaker 1: Uh so, not not bad right there, but still surprising
Speaker 1: that he's off the board four Queen um and he
Speaker 1: got a two hundred forty pounds ran four five four
Speaker 1: at the Columbine so he range. Its speed, not a
Speaker 1: problem with the player. How about the the back to
Speaker 1: back picks for Texas Tech head coach Matt Wells. He
Speaker 1: was the coach at Utah State with Jordan Love a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, and now he gets his guy, Jordan
Speaker 1: Brooks back to back first rounders for Matt Wells, and
Speaker 1: like you said, it's a little odd seeing a Texas
Speaker 1: Tech defensive player go in the first round, but he's
Speaker 1: a good ballplayer overall. Now, with the Ravens at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: and I tweeted this out a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I said, it would be extremely scary to see Denzel
Speaker 1: Mims along with Lamar Jackson back and forth for the
Speaker 1: next decade. Is what I ended up saying. I think
Speaker 1: you could maybe go Zach Bond here. You could go
Speaker 1: with some linebacker hell Patrick Queen there as well. I
Speaker 1: think there's options here for the Ravens. But with Denzel
Speaker 1: Mims still sitting on the board and they need a receiver,
Speaker 1: you think that could be an option. I think it
Speaker 1: could be an option. How high are we willing to
Speaker 1: go on? You know, they also could use help on
Speaker 1: defense as well, I get safety. How high are we
Speaker 1: willing to go for someone like a Michael Pittman, a
Speaker 1: good point, someone big, someone reliable, someone kind of counter
Speaker 1: off of Marquist Brown too high, too rich? Real No, sorry,
Speaker 1: real quick, since I mean we're talking about receivers anyway, Uh, ceedee,
Speaker 1: Lamb is saying over the radio that he plans on
Speaker 1: wearing number ten in Dallas, so not gonna not gonna
Speaker 1: rock the eighty eight switching over to ten. IH like it.
Speaker 1: I think that'll good. I think eighty eight would have
Speaker 1: been better. I don't have much more than that, all right,
Speaker 1: Bill Well, I was thinking to Pittman's too earlier, right
Speaker 1: first round here, too early. I think he would be
Speaker 1: especially with Membs on the board. And I think that
Speaker 1: you can make a case for for Pittman at this point. Um,
Speaker 1: do we think Baltimore because they goes back bond here
Speaker 1: Patrick Patrick Queen and Epines are by two highest graded players.
Speaker 1: I mean, Patrick Queen seems like just seems like the
Speaker 1: perfect fit here. I mean he's an explosive player. Baltimore
Speaker 1: needs help, but linebacker inside and outside, they could use
Speaker 1: an explosive player like Queen, so one kind of picks
Speaker 1: them in. Still waiting here on Baltimore, what could you
Speaker 1: give us the updated order? Now twenty eight, twenty nine.
Speaker 1: You've got Tennessee at twenty nine. You've got Miami now
Speaker 1: at thirty after the trade with green Bay, the Vikings
Speaker 1: at thirty one after trading with the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: and then the Chiefs round out the first round with
Speaker 1: the thirty second overall pick. Now, some notables that are
Speaker 1: still on the board. Christian Fulton, You've got Xavier McKinney
Speaker 1: and all the safeties. No safety, he has been taken
Speaker 1: just yet. All the running backs are still on the board.
Speaker 1: Jeff Gladmi is still there out of TCU. Mentioned some
Speaker 1: of the edge rushers, Yeter gross Matos from Penn State,
Speaker 1: aj Epanessa from Iowa, even Ross Blacklock, a TCU product
Speaker 1: that some people thought might be good enough to go
Speaker 1: in the first round. So in Patrick Queen, we've mentioned him,
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims. There's plenty of individuals that are still out
Speaker 1: there that could potentially go in the next five picks,
Speaker 1: just based off of need. But it's still kind of
Speaker 1: interesting to see exactly where you would see Baltimore going here.
Speaker 1: Because you mentioned edge rusher and linebacker. You could go
Speaker 1: either way here and still be Okay, are we going
Speaker 1: to see two positions? I'm gonna be interested if we
Speaker 1: see before the first round ends, safety, running back. Both
Speaker 1: those positions get shut out of the first round. Very possible. Well,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins have moved back to thirty and that trade
Speaker 1: at the Packers, and we were kind of taken around
Speaker 1: the idea been taking a runner there. That seems like
Speaker 1: that can make some sense. But with the quarterback Jordan
Speaker 1: Love off, the board feels that the trading could come
Speaker 1: to a halt a little bit. There. Don't no one
Speaker 1: really need to come up and get some guys. It's
Speaker 1: it's fun because there are some names that we've just
Speaker 1: kind of thought might sneak in. Isaiah Wilson, Ezra Cleveland,
Speaker 1: Josh Jones, the offensive tackles, digs in Fulton, you know,
Speaker 1: the an even Gladney, the cornerbacks. If you want to
Speaker 1: throw Dalen Johnson in there, you can. But you know, again,
Speaker 1: for me on my board, it's still Epanessa and Patrick
Speaker 1: Queen my highest graded players. Well, and I think with
Speaker 1: Minnesota sitting there at thirty one, I think they're looking
Speaker 1: at tackle or a corner, So I do think we
Speaker 1: could still see Jalen Johnson there, or we could see
Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland sneak into this first round before it's all
Speaker 1: said and done. Fun. If you are the Ravens and
Speaker 1: you don't want to go with a wide receiver here,
Speaker 1: where would you go would you go with Patrick Queen?
Speaker 1: Is that the best overall player? You would go edge
Speaker 1: with A J and Essa, But of course I don't
Speaker 1: know if teams are that high because I'm not as
Speaker 1: high on ajp Andessa after as horrid combine. But I
Speaker 1: think you could maybe look at Queen here as the
Speaker 1: best player available, even maybe with the exception of wide receiver.
Speaker 1: And I just keep coming back to Patrick Queen. I
Speaker 1: think both the need and the talent that's available matches
Speaker 1: up very well from Baltimore here. Adding a young explosive
Speaker 1: the Commissioner, Dame the Walter Peyton Man of the Year
Speaker 1: Award is our highest honor and Uklais are truly a
Speaker 1: role model to all of us, and congratulations on being
Speaker 1: a Raven. With the twenty eighth pick in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty NFL Draft, the Baltimore Raven select Patrick Queen linebacker
Speaker 1: Lsu Trick Queen linebacker Lsu is the selection and another
Speaker 1: LSU Tiger off the board that makes war now here
Speaker 1: in this first round. He's one that kind of dropped
Speaker 1: a little bit further than I thought. But this is
Speaker 1: a pick for the Ravens that it just kind of
Speaker 1: fits the mold of the success that they've had in
Speaker 1: terms of adding talent, and you know, Dave kind of
Speaker 1: talked more about just what we meant to that LSU defense.
Speaker 1: But he does not have an extensive resume. He's basically
Speaker 1: a one year starter. He there's some certain things about
Speaker 1: him that he don't love. Shorter arms, again, the resumes
Speaker 1: in my grade. He's not the biggest linebacker that he
Speaker 1: will struggle to the stack and shed blocks, but he
Speaker 1: can run and he's explosive and those two trades, that's
Speaker 1: what you're banking on. Like a player like this, he's
Speaker 1: got three down potential. He can play in coverage and
Speaker 1: I guess said earlier, I think that he the light
Speaker 1: ball really illuminated more and more as he suwhare football
Speaker 1: And I mean we talked pretty extensively about him earlier
Speaker 1: when we thought he might go in the early twenties.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, like I said, it reminds me
Speaker 1: a lot of Layton vander Esh Like I want to say,
Speaker 1: he's got fifteen career college starts to his name, but
Speaker 1: he was phenomenal for LSU. And I mean, if watching
Speaker 1: TV like they are showing you that he's making plays
Speaker 1: in coverage and that's what makes him valuable. I mean,
Speaker 1: any linebacker that's going to go in the top fifty
Speaker 1: can read and react and make tackles like that's supposed
Speaker 1: to be a given. But if you don't have to
Speaker 1: take this guy off the field in passing situations, that's
Speaker 1: what makes him valuable to me. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why he was just made the first round pick despite
Speaker 1: really only starting one season. Man, that LSU team was good.
Speaker 1: They's so many playmakers. Man, it's it's surreal to think about.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got four and we're not done. I
Speaker 1: think that'll probably be the end of it unless Christian
Speaker 1: Fulton goes But that, I mean, that was just incredible
Speaker 1: collection of talent. Was like lightning in a bottle. Well,
Speaker 1: and even mentioning Christian Fulton here, it kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to the point we were making earlier. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of cornerback acts, a lot of safeties. Grant to
Speaker 1: help put another LSU Tiger being one of them that
Speaker 1: are still on the board, and it's starting to stack up.
Speaker 1: You talk about Tennessee here, they're probably their biggest need
Speaker 1: would maybe be an interior defensive lineman, maybe a tight end,
Speaker 1: an interior offensive lineman. There's plenty of options for Tennessee.
Speaker 1: But then you go with Miami, you go with Minnesota,
Speaker 1: two teams that could use a wide receiver. Now I
Speaker 1: know Minnesota just picked a wide receiver, but it's starting
Speaker 1: to line up at least in the Cowboys. Fact of
Speaker 1: fifty one, still getting a team need on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the football and having a great value as well,
Speaker 1: maybe a one better if you really want to get
Speaker 1: up to if you really like Trevon Diggs or you
Speaker 1: really like Xavier McKinney, give up pick fifty one and
Speaker 1: eighty two and go get him, because this is about
Speaker 1: where you can get. You can kind of get the
Speaker 1: thirty thirty one, thirty two maybe early part of the
Speaker 1: second rounds kind of that area. We're getting really close
Speaker 1: to that area. We're giving up fifty one and eighty
Speaker 1: two could get you in the mix. We've seen them
Speaker 1: do the before with DeMarcus Lawrence in twenty fourteen. UM
Speaker 1: trying to get up to the top of the top
Speaker 1: of the second round. Maybe we'll see how the final
Speaker 1: four picks of the night go. But interesting thing to
Speaker 1: think about overnight. I think it's really interesting that we've
Speaker 1: kind of seen a reluctance from teams to trade Day
Speaker 1: two picks. I mean, correctmunity from wrong. Is the La
Speaker 1: Chargers the only team tonight that have traded a D
Speaker 1: two pick? Yes, yes, yeah, because we've seen plenty of
Speaker 1: fourth rounders, we've seen some fifths. You know, day three picks,
Speaker 1: you know those are no problem. But it's been really
Speaker 1: interesting that we have seen reluctance from teams to hold
Speaker 1: onto those Day two picks. I think that speaks to
Speaker 1: the depth of this draft that you know, pick three
Speaker 1: isn't that much different than pick just because at each position,
Speaker 1: I think there there is value that stretches into Day
Speaker 1: two in this this class. That's kind of the conversation
Speaker 1: that we were having earlier this week on the Draft Show,
Speaker 1: was is the value at fifty one better than it
Speaker 1: was at seventeen? Now, seventeen ended up pretty being a
Speaker 1: pretty solid value for the count I don't know about
Speaker 1: that anymore, Ceedee Lamb, but that was the conversation that
Speaker 1: was at least being had, was there's so much depth,
Speaker 1: at least on the defensive side of the football of
Speaker 1: this draft that doesn't make it top heavy, but makes
Speaker 1: it valuable in the second in the third round, and
Speaker 1: now you're starting to see that kind of work its
Speaker 1: way out. You're gonna have some good players available, and
Speaker 1: maybe if you're afraid that some of those players could go,
Speaker 1: I kind of I'm right there with you. Kat, maybe
Speaker 1: not get into the first round, but maybe you go
Speaker 1: and give the Lions a call at thirty five. You're
Speaker 1: not going to call the Giants. You maybe trade the
Speaker 1: Patriots at thirty seven. I mean, there's definitely teams that
Speaker 1: are willing to deal at least at the top of
Speaker 1: that second round. So I think you at least have
Speaker 1: to have some conversations overnight. How much do you like
Speaker 1: whatever players are going up to get? You know, we
Speaker 1: thought if there was a chance they would consider Trevon Diggs.
Speaker 1: It's seventeen even who knows how likely that that was,
Speaker 1: but that was the name that will sprinled in if
Speaker 1: someone they liked. We had kind of kind of heard
Speaker 1: through back channels that they liked Diggs more than Fulton.
Speaker 1: Now interesting, we were talking, I know Tennessee's on the
Speaker 1: clock of the pits and they're about to announce it.
Speaker 1: Minnesota at thirty one, does it feel like Trevon Diggs
Speaker 1: is probably not an option for them, given with how
Speaker 1: it played out with Stefan got asking out of town. Ah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. That'd be pretty surprising if Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think they would go Jalen Johnson if
Speaker 1: they went corner for Minnesota at thirty one, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at two players, Jalen Johnson or As Cleveland to tackle.
Speaker 1: That's that's my guess where Minnesota would go Tennessee on
Speaker 1: the clock. Now, do we Yeter gross Mottos? Is that
Speaker 1: that possibility? Here gets the pass rusher? Could they could
Speaker 1: go tackle us? Maybe a Ross blacklock here possible? I
Speaker 1: mean they went defensive tackle in the first round last year. Uh,
Speaker 1: but you know, I you know, strengthen them strength, that's
Speaker 1: definitely possible. Uh, you know, dressing right tackle makes sense.
Speaker 1: I think you look at pass rusher. They've been looking
Speaker 1: for that guy to go with Harold Landry. Um. It's
Speaker 1: an interesting group right here. Here's the offensive will out
Speaker 1: of Georgia, the offensive tackle, and there's the tackle we
Speaker 1: were talking about. Wasn't wasn't Josh Jones or Ezrac Cleveland
Speaker 1: kind of what we were thinking. But they do end
Speaker 1: up going with an offensive tackle at pick number twenty
Speaker 1: nine to kind of help out with Ryan Tannehill in
Speaker 1: that offense and protect Derrick Henry a little bit too.
Speaker 1: But this is oh sorry, go ahead, Dan, you say
Speaker 1: you lose Jack Conson right to tackle. You draft a
Speaker 1: guy that's only played right tackle to your starter for
Speaker 1: Georgia there playing opposite Andrew Thomas, so a natural fit
Speaker 1: to make sense on arms man with him. I think
Speaker 1: he's a guy who's gonna get a little a little
Speaker 1: better and was, you know, maybe overshadowed by Andrew Thomas,
Speaker 1: who the Giants took with the number four pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. I think, you know, again, this is a
Speaker 1: guy you're gonna need to develop a little bit. Um.
Speaker 1: I thought he looked good against Chase On in that
Speaker 1: LSU game. That's kind of a game where I kind
Speaker 1: of really you had had quite a few notes on
Speaker 1: him playing pretty well against Chase On. I think he
Speaker 1: does a good job of just kind of runk, standing
Speaker 1: his arms and doing a good job of not letting
Speaker 1: defenders get in on him. Again, still a lot to
Speaker 1: work with there. Sometimes he plays high. Sometimes he just
Speaker 1: kind of lazy getting into his pass rush set. But
Speaker 1: now Isaiah Wilson's a guy who I had a second
Speaker 1: round grade on, and you know, I felt I felt
Speaker 1: pretty good about him. I had a higher grade. I
Speaker 1: had a higher grade on him that I did Austin Jackson,
Speaker 1: who went at pick eighteen to the Dolphins. You know,
Speaker 1: and she's just looking. I'm looking at my film notes too,
Speaker 1: And when I wrote down here, I said, blend of size, mobility,
Speaker 1: and power, his technique and footwork holding back from being
Speaker 1: a first rounder. So apparently I was wrong on the
Speaker 1: fact of saying that he wasn't a first rounder. But
Speaker 1: I did have a late second round grade on him,
Speaker 1: so maybe I'm not as high as some are on him.
Speaker 1: I definitely have him a little bit further down the
Speaker 1: board than both Cleveland and also Josh Jones. But the
Speaker 1: fact that, like Dane said, he's an experienced yet young
Speaker 1: he was just a redshirt sophomore. He's still a little
Speaker 1: bit of a younger body that you could potentially work with.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is a terrible pick by any means.
Speaker 1: On the back half of the first round, Dave's big
Speaker 1: half face. I feel that this happens every year, that
Speaker 1: we'll get to the inn one, and then we sit
Speaker 1: there and go, man, there's some really good players left
Speaker 1: there in the thirties, and how long can they stay?
Speaker 1: Do you start thinking? That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 1: I think I've decided this is my favorite part of
Speaker 1: the draft because the top of the draft is boring.
Speaker 1: Like the first twenty players. I mean, we don't know
Speaker 1: what order they're gonna go in, but we know who's
Speaker 1: gonna get picked for the most part. And then you
Speaker 1: get into like Day two and Day three, and it
Speaker 1: starts becoming harder to really judge. You know, how teams evaluate,
Speaker 1: but here you've got a list of about twenty players,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's the media narrative and the fan
Speaker 1: narrative about who's supposed to go, and then you really
Speaker 1: get to find out how these teams feel, and it's
Speaker 1: obvious that sometimes they feel a lot differently. And it's
Speaker 1: not like these guys aren't worth first round picks, but
Speaker 1: they're just not the names that you're necessarily expecting. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna saying, with Miami on the clock, now,
Speaker 1: this is, of course the pick that they traded with
Speaker 1: green Bay. Green Bay goes up, gets Jordan Love at
Speaker 1: twenty six, Seahawks get Jordan Brooks at twenty seven, and
Speaker 1: then Patrick Queen goes twenty eight. So we've had back
Speaker 1: to back linebackers. We haven't seen a receiver since twenty five.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen a cornerback selected since Dame in our Nett,
Speaker 1: which is still probably the surprising pick of the night
Speaker 1: at pick nineteen. There's a couple of cornerbacks on the
Speaker 1: board here. But if you're the Dolphins, are you still
Speaker 1: kind of putting that focus on the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the football. Are you gonna try and address the defense here?
Speaker 1: Both the Dane's idea of running it back, let's see
Speaker 1: it happen. I mean, I think this is this is
Speaker 1: the point where you maybe make that move. And well,
Speaker 1: I think we are we at six receivers and six
Speaker 1: offensive tackles, I'm sure, so those two positions fighting it
Speaker 1: out to be the most represented position in the first
Speaker 1: round with what three picks left, so you know, still
Speaker 1: a chance we could see a tackle at thirty one,
Speaker 1: maybe the Minnesota so that that could could get interesting.
Speaker 1: I still think running back here, and you know it's
Speaker 1: anybody's guests which running back and they would prefer whether
Speaker 1: it's Dobbins or Taylor or maybe Swift. Yeah, as possible.
Speaker 1: So you know, you totally revamp your offensive backfield with
Speaker 1: a little tap of the quarterback to running back. They
Speaker 1: also need pass rusher, and you know we've rattled off
Speaker 1: all these there's no shortage of different positions. They could
Speaker 1: go here, who's your favorite running back? Or what? What's
Speaker 1: your kind of your top five running back ranking? Stay
Speaker 1: a big Dobbins fan. I just think that he is
Speaker 1: such a natural. Some guys are born to play running back.
Speaker 1: I think he's one of them with his ability to
Speaker 1: u re get you the whole with timing, and then
Speaker 1: he can be elusive at the second level. He could
Speaker 1: be a three down player. So I I but I
Speaker 1: have all these guys very close. I have Dobbins and
Speaker 1: Swift than Taylor, than Edwards the layer. But I mean
Speaker 1: I would not fault the Dolphins if they went any
Speaker 1: of those four running backs balls spectacularly. Maybe if that
Speaker 1: was a different draft, it would probably be more of
Speaker 1: an emphasis on running back. But I think, of course,
Speaker 1: like you kind of talked about a little bit earlier game,
Speaker 1: the way that the NFL is kind of moving now
Speaker 1: in the wide receivers being such a big emphasis and
Speaker 1: even with a deep talented draft at that position, they
Speaker 1: kind of get lost in the shuffle. But you can
Speaker 1: still have an impact running back and make a selection
Speaker 1: on one in the first round. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: as the pick is in here from the Dolphins now
Speaker 1: still waiting on the commissioner get the official word here.
Speaker 1: But if it's a running back, I wouldn't necessarily be
Speaker 1: too upset here with Miami because you get that facelift
Speaker 1: of the offense. It makes sense. I guess, you know
Speaker 1: at some point with the Dolphins again, they're not ready
Speaker 1: to win yet, so like there's a there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on there. I just I can't get my mind
Speaker 1: away from all these names who we just kind of considered,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe top twenty type guys. Xavier McKitty
Speaker 1: comes to mind, Fulton Diggs again. I have a bigger
Speaker 1: a j Pidessa fan than than a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Are a bigger maybe Jeff Gladney fan than a lot
Speaker 1: of people. But there's so many names, man, I really like,
Speaker 1: you know what day two, Round two is gonna bring
Speaker 1: us tomorrow? Oh? I agree, you look at all the
Speaker 1: names there Jeff Gladney, Christian Fulton, Trayvon Diggs, Noah Igbinogaty,
Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson, Bryce Hall, and Cameron Danceler. There's so many
Speaker 1: options for a team that needs cornerback help, and now
Speaker 1: all of our are on the board. Here you might
Speaker 1: see one go here with Miami, of course corners in need,
Speaker 1: but I think they would still maybe stick with the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the football. And then you got the
Speaker 1: Chiefs at thirty two that could potentially take a quarterback
Speaker 1: or a cornerback rather with the last pick of the round,
Speaker 1: now I don't see the Vikings maybe taking a corner.
Speaker 1: Oh they could actually now that I'm kind of looking
Speaker 1: at it, they could potentially go corner. So these next
Speaker 1: three picks you could rattle off the same position. David Arnette.
Speaker 1: The shocking pick of the night so far is that
Speaker 1: the one that's kind of like, WHOA, I didn't see
Speaker 1: that coming him and Jordan Brooks, I mean Jordan Brooks,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, there was a little bit of
Speaker 1: buzz about that happening, um, so that that was a
Speaker 1: little bit more expected. But David Arnett to go the
Speaker 1: top twenty picks definitely surprised. Uh. Look, David Arnett is
Speaker 1: not a bad player. Uh. And you know Ohio State
Speaker 1: they watching Okuda. A lot of teams went after are
Speaker 1: because they avoided a Okuda and Arnette held his own
Speaker 1: more than held his own. And like I said, it
Speaker 1: would play them inside, they play him outside. A really
Speaker 1: good tackler. Uh. He really did stop cutting down on
Speaker 1: the penalties this year. The downfield contact some people. Uh,
Speaker 1: some teams said that he rode the wrong way. Um,
Speaker 1: and so that is the factor that I thought was
Speaker 1: draw him farther than that. But obviously the Raiders were
Speaker 1: not one of those teams, and they felt comfortable with
Speaker 1: him over some of the other cornerbacks. Friend, baby hey
Speaker 1: rugs in our net, just like we thought in every
Speaker 1: mock draft, right. I mean, I'm not I had no
Speaker 1: idea that that's what the Raiders were gonna do. But
Speaker 1: in retrospect, I'm like, yeah, those are Raiders picks right there.
Speaker 1: You think that rioting right now? In Las Vegas? I
Speaker 1: know Las Vegas is a little different than Oakland, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're rioting. I mean, they addressed
Speaker 1: their two biggest needs. They got a receiver in a cornerback.
Speaker 1: We'll see if we'll see if they got the right ones.
Speaker 1: I mean I would have taken cd La over Harry Rugs,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. But honestly, I think I said this
Speaker 1: when they picked him, like, I like our net just
Speaker 1: as much, if not more than any of the guys
Speaker 1: that are on the board after j Henderson. And if
Speaker 1: they feel comfortable that he's not a knuckle head or
Speaker 1: not too much of a knuckle head, then I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with it. What were you saying, Katie Us?
Speaker 1: I still like running back here for the Dolphins. But man,
Speaker 1: there's one thing I know about this league. It's the
Speaker 1: Dolphins will screw anything up, so uh, you never know
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. Draft. The Miami Dolphins select no
Speaker 1: big defense him back oh AUBURNI Noah. Igbogeny Corner out
Speaker 1: of Auburn is the thirtieth overall pick. And we were
Speaker 1: talking about corner and I said that as one of
Speaker 1: the second round names. That kind of piqued my interest
Speaker 1: and at least made me a little bit excited about tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But man, the fact that Igbogeny is the selection is
Speaker 1: something special. Second It's it's interesting that he goes ahead
Speaker 1: of full, goes ahead of Dylan Johnson, goes ahead of
Speaker 1: ahead a dig I mean igban is he's a fun
Speaker 1: player because he's a receiver most of his life the
Speaker 1: corner as a sophomore, and you can tell he's still
Speaker 1: learning and putting things together. But terrific athlete. He's not
Speaker 1: afraid to get physical. Not the biggest guy, he's five tens,
Speaker 1: around two hundred pounds, but a really good athlete. I
Speaker 1: think he has the demeanor that the Dolphins are looking
Speaker 1: for at that cornerback position well. And he also has
Speaker 1: an impact on special teams as well if you really
Speaker 1: wanted to. He was a kick returner, a punt returner
Speaker 1: during his time at Auburn, so I think he could
Speaker 1: kind of have some versatility here. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if they really expected or I did. I definitely didn't
Speaker 1: expect even igban Agaeny to be in the conversation until
Speaker 1: we got to fifty one. I don't think he would
Speaker 1: have been at it even before then. That's uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: I really like, I mean like he just strikes me
Speaker 1: as a guy that you can put out there and
Speaker 1: let him handle his man. He was really impressive and honest,
Speaker 1: I think it's ironic that he went a pick before
Speaker 1: Vikings because that seems like something Mike Zimmer would do. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, he loves his quarterbacks. Um, definitely surprising, kind
Speaker 1: of like David Arnette, though like surprising, I like him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think it's a bad pick. I
Speaker 1: just wasn't expecting to hear it so early. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look, he had some flashes and things like that,
Speaker 1: and he's guy he's don't get me wrong, he's got
Speaker 1: some good tape. There's too many times where I then
Speaker 1: I thought he was kind of on roller skates back
Speaker 1: there when it was time to turn and run and
Speaker 1: track the football, you know it kind of sometimes it
Speaker 1: just doesn't look natural, I guess, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But again, I'm talking about a guy who's uh, Dane
Speaker 1: would say, most likely an ascending prospect, most likely a
Speaker 1: guy who's you know, developing it. Also, you know, they
Speaker 1: spent that money on Byron Jones, but uh and Xavian Howard,
Speaker 1: so maybe they see him as a guy that they
Speaker 1: can you know, play in the slide, you know, most
Speaker 1: of the time, because they've I mean, they've got two
Speaker 1: big white, two big cornerback contracts, so I really didn't
Speaker 1: see them going cornerback again one first round. Another note
Speaker 1: that I had on Igmanogeny was that the fact that
Speaker 1: his best tape was the under the bright lights Alabama
Speaker 1: LSU were some of the better games that he played,
Speaker 1: and even though some of the ball skills and some
Speaker 1: of the technicalities of it are a little bit unpolished,
Speaker 1: He's still an individual that I think would have been
Speaker 1: a value pick in the second round. But I'm not
Speaker 1: where Dave is of saying that, I don't think that
Speaker 1: thirty is where that value may lie. This might speak
Speaker 1: to how they feel about Xavian Howard, who has some
Speaker 1: off field issues going on right now, because obviously they
Speaker 1: gave all that money to Byron. Joe tankerously still in
Speaker 1: the mix, played well as an undrafted rookie last year,
Speaker 1: so interesting that they took owner at that point, and
Speaker 1: like it been Agny, I think he fits exactly what
Speaker 1: Brian Flores is looking for. He has that that competitive
Speaker 1: mentality that really shows on his tape and so makes
Speaker 1: it a lot of fun. With the Minnesota Vikings select
Speaker 1: Jeff Gladdene defensive back about Jeff Gladney staying in the
Speaker 1: purple as the Vikings take Gladdney off the board second
Speaker 1: straight corner. It's kind of what we talked about earlier.
Speaker 1: These final three picks may all be defensive backs. And
Speaker 1: I know, Katie, you're extremely high on Jeff Gladney. This
Speaker 1: is a solid selection for the Vikings, even trading back
Speaker 1: from where they originally were a twenty five. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: to me. I know a lot of people are going
Speaker 1: to knock his height at five ten, but again, he's
Speaker 1: got the length of a guy who's six foot, so
Speaker 1: I think that's something. You know, his really long arms,
Speaker 1: good wingspan, and just he plays the football. I think
Speaker 1: he's the aggressive guy of getting there. Dane had the
Speaker 1: stat earlier about two plus two seasons of more than
Speaker 1: fifteen balls batted down or passes defense. Again, I was
Speaker 1: in love with Jeff Gladney from the beginning. Loved his
Speaker 1: tape and love the fit here in Minnesota too. Man
Speaker 1: that that is a perfect place to go if you're
Speaker 1: gonna go, you know, be a defensive back. Immediately we'll
Speaker 1: get a chance to start, I would imagine. I know
Speaker 1: they have my cues who they took a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. But Jeff Glide is going to have a
Speaker 1: chance to shine in Minnesota. I would really love to
Speaker 1: pick for that man. It's a value. Nonetheless, at thirty one,
Speaker 1: now you move on to the defending world champion Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs. They still got Christian Fulton on the board.
Speaker 1: Do you think this could be a spot where Fulton
Speaker 1: goes in the mock draft that we had on the
Speaker 1: Cowboys Draft Show at aj Terrell. Now, of course he's
Speaker 1: off the board as he was so elected at sixteen
Speaker 1: overall by the Falcons, But whenever you look at corners
Speaker 1: available on at least right now, it would probably be
Speaker 1: the number one corner Christian Fulton. What I am I wrong?
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Johnson still has to be in that mix. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think he as long as you're okay with the shoulders.
Speaker 1: He's got a history of shoulder issues. As long as
Speaker 1: you're okay with the shoulders. I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: actually like him much better than Chris Fulton. But Trond
Speaker 1: Biggs is still there. Um, could we see the first
Speaker 1: running back off the board here? Is that possible? You
Speaker 1: look at they just won Super Bowl with an un
Speaker 1: drafted from agent running back, so they know they don't
Speaker 1: have to go that direction, but would add a superior
Speaker 1: talent at the position really bolt them up that much
Speaker 1: where it makes it worth a first draft pick. So
Speaker 1: the Chiefs they could go in several different directions here.
Speaker 1: It would be fun if the Chiefs drafted are running back.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I bet if you told them
Speaker 1: at the start of the night that Kayley Johnson and
Speaker 1: Christian Fulton would both be there and throw in Trevon
Speaker 1: Diggs for that matter, I don't know. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of value at a position that you need. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're totally right. I mean, they just won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl without a real running back, so I don't
Speaker 1: know how drastically they need to do that. When they
Speaker 1: have Mahomes and all those receivers, you're gonna be exactly
Speaker 1: how they value that position. Go ahead, Katie, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to make the obligatory Brian brought us yearly comment
Speaker 1: right now. Don't be surprised if someone wants to trade
Speaker 1: into thirty two to get that fifth year option, the
Speaker 1: very Brian brought us comment, and it's also very possible.
Speaker 1: At the same time, I'm gonna miss you guys the
Speaker 1: next two days. So, like, I just wanted to get
Speaker 1: that in because yeah, definitely miss you too, wish you
Speaker 1: were gonna be here, Katie. This was a lot of fun, man.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you were along for the ride. It's okay,
Speaker 1: and hopefully they'll allow me back next year on the
Speaker 1: Draft Show. There's the again draft Goo shirt. Oh there
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, show that thing off. And that's the
Speaker 1: thing is is we love you, kat and we are
Speaker 1: sad that we we won't have you on our coverage
Speaker 1: the next couple of days, but you will be back
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show over the next couple of weeks
Speaker 1: and we'll kind of talk through exactly how things are
Speaker 1: happening with this draft. It's it's when you talk about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. It's looking really good right now heading into
Speaker 1: the second round. Now, I know we've had a mini
Speaker 1: run of corners at least over the last couple of picks,
Speaker 1: and we may have another one here, but every safety
Speaker 1: still on the board. Most of the solid second tier
Speaker 1: corners are still there as well, like a Jalen Johnson
Speaker 1: or Christian Fulton. Is there an opportunity maybe tomorrow for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to maybe throw in some extra picks and
Speaker 1: try and move up into the early parts of the
Speaker 1: second Did you want to do that? Who are we
Speaker 1: going for? After Christian Fulton? Let's say he doesn't get paid.
Speaker 1: I mean you're sitting here. I mean we we got
Speaker 1: our forty Burghers were feeling great about the offense. If
Speaker 1: there's one defensive position, I feel like I gotta come
Speaker 1: away with its cornerback. So let's see what the Chiefs
Speaker 1: do here. But I mean Fulton did and uh and
Speaker 1: I'm jail Now what about no safeties off the board yet?
Speaker 1: Do they have a high enough great on McKinney where
Speaker 1: that could be attempting option? I think I'd rather just
Speaker 1: wait and see if one of those guys will fall
Speaker 1: to me. And I agree, I think that's fair. I
Speaker 1: think it just comes down to hot how how high
Speaker 1: did they rape McKay where if they had a first
Speaker 1: round great on him, then it gets a little tricky.
Speaker 1: But I would agree with you. I think there are
Speaker 1: enough second round safeties where they don't have to make
Speaker 1: that reach. Say this now that I I mean, I've
Speaker 1: got an impact starter receiver. I'm I'm down to trade
Speaker 1: away my third if I'm gonna get a definitive starter
Speaker 1: in the second round, Like, if we're gonna get a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna start at either corner or safety, you
Speaker 1: could talk me into it. I still, I don't. I
Speaker 1: would prefer not to, but I'm I'm open to it.
Speaker 1: I need some help at Edge, I need some help
Speaker 1: at cornerback. And I still and I'm about to probably
Speaker 1: sign my quarterback most likely, so I need some minimum
Speaker 1: wage guys. So I'm gonna try to keep my picks.
Speaker 1: But we'll, you know, maybe come back to me at
Speaker 1: pick thirty five and thirty six and we'll see how
Speaker 1: these names can fly off the border tomorrow. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: you could talk me into something. I'm just I'm being cynical,
Speaker 1: but I'm kissing Edge goodbye until next year. Like it's
Speaker 1: gonna be Alden Smith and Tyrone Crawford. I mean what,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry who Alden Smith needs to make the team
Speaker 1: first before we start. I'm talking about it. Who are
Speaker 1: we getting? Who are we getting that's gonna do something? Now?
Speaker 1: I'm the ouch and Epanessa won't be there unless you're
Speaker 1: trying to trade up, which I mean maybe you could.
Speaker 1: Gross Matos. I'm not a big fan of his I
Speaker 1: wouldn't trade up for him. I like Epanessa more than him.
Speaker 1: But do you like Epanessa enough to get rid of
Speaker 1: your third round pick? I don't. I don't know, Dane,
Speaker 1: do you h And because I think that's the issue
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys they needed some low price. There is
Speaker 1: a commissioner with the last pick here for the Kansas
Speaker 1: City chief with the second pick, Dane always gets stut
Speaker 1: off by the commission A Super Bowl champion Kansas City
Speaker 1: Chiefs like Flyde Edwards Hilaire running back LSU sometimes another time,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go, glad. I'm so excited. Really, we
Speaker 1: couldn't tell so, I mean, you know, I think I
Speaker 1: said this at the top of the broadcast. Actually I
Speaker 1: just hit my bold prediction. By the way, well done.
Speaker 1: I might have I might have well placed sources in
Speaker 1: the LSU program. And uh, I was told by somebody
Speaker 1: who matters that the thiefs were enamored with Clyde and
Speaker 1: I totally understand why. And oh my god, who the
Speaker 1: hell is going to stop the Kansas City Chiefs this year?
Speaker 1: It's a conjection. Lamar checks. That's a good point. I
Speaker 1: love I love the fit. I mean I mean, Clyde
Speaker 1: Edwards Alaric pretty kind of gone anywhere and that I
Speaker 1: would have loved to fit, but especially this team where
Speaker 1: they're going to give him turget out of the backfield.
Speaker 1: He was number two in all of FBS. It would
Speaker 1: catch his last thirty five. And my favorite part of
Speaker 1: it is he finds us hidden yards four yard runs
Speaker 1: for most running backs. He finds a way to get seven.
Speaker 1: And that's the difference between second and six and second
Speaker 1: and three, and that's huge. So Edwards Hilaire, no problem
Speaker 1: with him coming off the board here. And like we
Speaker 1: said before, the Chiefs just won the Super Bowl with
Speaker 1: an undrafted running back offense and already dynamic offense. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. Good luck Ac West, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And we got to wrap things up because the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys post first round press conference is coming up here
Speaker 1: in just a moment. But before we say goodbye, we
Speaker 1: do want to send our condolences to the Prescott family
Speaker 1: after the news of the passing of Jase Prescott today,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's brother. We wanted to send our prayers and
Speaker 1: thoughts to them in a very sad time. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's kind of bringing a somber into what was a
Speaker 1: great first round. But we didn't want to acknowledge that
Speaker 1: before we got off of here. But the Cowboys at
Speaker 1: pick seventeen pick up Set Lamb, the wide receiver out
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma. Thanks so much for watching, Katie, Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us today. We will see soon. We're gonna miss
Speaker 1: you over the next couple of days, but I know guys,
Speaker 1: love you guys. But for Kevin Turner, for Dame Brugler,
Speaker 1: for David Hellman, I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long, We'll
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow or rounds two and three is The
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