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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a top Republican talking about some big

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Speaker 1: scary threat set Washington on fire?

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Speaker 4: Is it a sye up spoiler alert? Yes it is.

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Speaker 4: We'll break it all down for you, we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 1: We also have the last addition, I believe, of our

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior focus groups, some really interesting comments.

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Speaker 4: They're kind of pressed on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but if the election is really coming down to

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Speaker 1: it's either going to be Trump or Biden, are you

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Speaker 1: still sticking with RFK Junior. Very interesting responses there. This

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Speaker 1: So again we'll break that down for you. We've also

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Speaker 1: over John Stewart's return. Mary Trump said that he is

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Speaker 1: resist with that one. Also, in more serious news, we've

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Speaker 1: got some breaking news this morning. Israeli forces are storming

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Speaker 1: taking a look at a truly horrifying and disgusting piece

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Speaker 3: What is it? This set Washington a light.

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Speaker 2: My phone has never buzzed more than in the hours

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Speaker 3: This all started yesterday at.

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Speaker 2: Eleven thirty five am with a very ominous statement from

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Speaker 2: Representative Mike Turner. He's the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

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Speaker 2: He said this quote. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 3: You know, some of us may have been wondering whether

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, as the mystery continue to began to leak

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Speaker 2: on behalf of Mike Turner. That all involves FAISA reauthorization,

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Speaker 2: We do know now that this is apparently based on

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Speaker 3: But it is clear crystal that.

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Speaker 2: especially like the like Russian space nukes. Really, if it's

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Speaker 3: Everyone here has known about this. It's declassified.

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Speaker 2: In December of twenty twenty three, the Russians made some

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Speaker 2: Does it you know, require launching some literal panic you

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Speaker 1: I mean, anytime someone in this town comes out and

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Speaker 1: And there are two paces that are incredibly significant. Number

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Speaker 1: because they're saving their firepower for this other faiza ability

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Speaker 1: that really is their top priority right now. And so

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Speaker 4: So it fits perfectly together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the way that we know this and this

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Speaker 2: This is my biggest worry. I go, oh, what is it?

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Speaker 2: As you said, Crystal, about the fate of the Ukraine bill. Now,

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Speaker 2: Morning Joe, this is the new line, is that you

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Speaker 3: Very shortly after the morning Joe's segment, let's take a.

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Speaker 2: So this is what the line is now, crystal, And

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Speaker 2: Jeffries, Basically, the only thing they have at their disposal

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Speaker 4: I thought you're going to say legally blonde.

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Speaker 3: I am a great fan of legally blonde.

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Speaker 2: One, but as we see here the House Minority Leader,

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Speaker 3: However, Crystal, people I spoke to who are.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not sure what you think.

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Speaker 2: would be dead. Let's put this up there on the screen,

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Speaker 2: just to give an idea though of why things are

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Speaker 2: pretty tied up right now. So this is from Jake

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Speaker 2: Sherman over at punch Bowl. They say Johnson has effectively

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Speaker 2: said that bill is dead. The House is in this week,

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Speaker 2: but it is out next and then has three days

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Speaker 2: in session to deal with government funding which comes due

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Speaker 2: on March first. Meanwhile, most Republicans are opposed to Ukraine funding.

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Speaker 2: They are stuck on attaching HR two, which does not

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Speaker 2: have a prayer of passing HR two. By the way,

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Speaker 2: as a border legislation, discharge petition is also an option.

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Speaker 2: But there are a lot of hurdles there, some that

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Speaker 2: Dems will dat because of Israel funding, so some ours

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Speaker 2: will be afraid to put their neck that is on

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Speaker 2: the line. So I think that's a pretty good analysis.

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Speaker 2: As you said, I wouldn't put a past them. I

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Speaker 2: don't put anything.

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Speaker 3: Past these people.

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Speaker 4: Look, yeah, Johnson's also not really reliable here.

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Speaker 2: The problem with Johnson is not even his reliability, Crystal,

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Speaker 2: It's that he is weak and he does not have

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Speaker 2: a total control of the caucus. A lot of Republicans

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Speaker 2: right now are very pissed off at him because for

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Speaker 2: allowing the expulsion of George Santos, the original failure of

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Speaker 2: the Majorcist vote, the fact that the Israel.

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Speaker 3: Bill was put up and then it was failed.

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Speaker 2: Then he then gabbled in a failing vote before the

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Speaker 2: House of Representatives. I know this all sounds like inside baseball, guys,

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Speaker 2: but the reason it matters is because when you're weak

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Speaker 2: and you don't have institutional control, and you lose control

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Speaker 2: of the floor and all that, it opens the door

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Speaker 2: for exact you said, chaos loves a vacuum, and with

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Speaker 2: that vacuum, the Democrats or pro Ukraine Republicans or Russian

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Speaker 2: space laser psyops and all of that could create a

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Speaker 2: situation where they would pass something like this.

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Speaker 1: Let's also not forget about the influence of the Israel

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Speaker 1: lobby here in this time. I mean, that's why the

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Speaker 1: vote was so overwhelming in the Senate. I saw, you know,

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Speaker 1: the people who were in favor of this bill were

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Speaker 1: urging a pack and these other associated groups to apply

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Speaker 1: as much pressure as possible to try to get this

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Speaker 1: bill through one way or another. And so yeah, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm hoping it's dead. The fact that people

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Speaker 1: who want it to fail aren't nervous about its prospects

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Speaker 1: and think that it is in fact dead, that's a

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Speaker 1: good sign. But you have a lot of very powerful

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Speaker 1: constituencies and very powerful ideologies that exist in this town

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Speaker 1: which are used to getting their way, that want to

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Speaker 1: see this aid go through. And so you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that we can completely count it out at

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Speaker 1: this point because of that, you know, array of powerful

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Speaker 1: interests and interest with a lot of money too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: don't forget that APAC funds huge amounts into these congressional campaigns,

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Speaker 1: and you know a lot of these members are not

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Speaker 1: going to want to get crosswise of a pack in

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Speaker 1: the upcoming election season racing.

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Speaker 3: It's all about the Benjamin's Yes, I am.

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Speaker 1: You can say whatever the hell you want to say

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Speaker 1: about that, but that's just reality in this town.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on to RFK guys.

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Speaker 2: So, as we have alluded to, this is going to

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Speaker 2: be the last segment that we're going to be doing

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Speaker 2: on our RFK focus group. The full focus group is

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Speaker 2: going to post for our premium subscribers to get access

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Speaker 2: to that.

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Speaker 3: A more edited version will eventually.

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Speaker 2: Post on all of our public platforms, but if you

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Speaker 2: want to be able to watch it to support future

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Speaker 2: work like this, which is very very expensive in order

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Speaker 2: to put on Breakingpoints dot Com to be able to

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Speaker 2: help us out. Let's get to the actual focus group itself, though,

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Speaker 2: which is we learn a little bit about the people

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Speaker 2: who participated, whether they had voted in the past for Trump,

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Speaker 2: for Biden, or for third party, and who they might

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Speaker 2: support in the future if RFK is not able to

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Speaker 2: get on the ballot.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: Let's think back to how you voted last time. So

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Speaker 10: what a show of hands if you voted for Biden

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Speaker 10: last time? And then show of hands if you vote

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Speaker 10: for Trump last time? Third party? Okay, so shadowing, Why

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Speaker 10: why not Biden this time?

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Speaker 3: His health?

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Speaker 11: His age, I mean, he's he's I don't think he's

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Speaker 11: capable to do another four years?

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Speaker 3: Maybe a year, but not four.

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Speaker 11: Why wouldn't I vote for him this time? I didn't

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Speaker 11: want to vote for him the last time, so I

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Speaker 11: didn't really I didn't really stand behind what he was

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Speaker 11: talking about. I was more Trump, and like I said,

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Speaker 11: I was persuaded to vote for Biden because he was Democratic.

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Speaker 3: I just really didn't.

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Speaker 12: I didn't like how to the kind.

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Speaker 3: Ofy got crippled a little bit.

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Speaker 11: To me, it's like they brought us up to bring

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Speaker 11: us back down, and I just don't like it. Like

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Speaker 11: everything has got risen up, like the way where you stay,

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Speaker 11: everything you eat, the things you buy is just high.

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Speaker 11: And it just doesn't make any sense now, you know.

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Speaker 12: For me, Although I think he's very knowledgeable in politics

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Speaker 12: from his past history, I just think, at this point,

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Speaker 12: close to eighty, I have older parents and we deal

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Speaker 12: with caregiving and different things and not saying that they

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Speaker 12: aren't all there physically and mentally. But I'm more concerned

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Speaker 12: about it taking his health, taking a toll, it taking

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Speaker 12: a toll on him and not being able to make

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Speaker 12: the best decisions that a younger candidate could.

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Speaker 10: Is it the Democrats are going off of or is

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Speaker 10: it Biden?

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Speaker 3: It's Biden? For me, it's Biden.

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Speaker 10: Trump voters tell me why not Trump this time?

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Speaker 13: Even from Jay one, I thought Trump would be good

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Speaker 13: for policy and getting things done. That's why I voted

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Speaker 13: for him initially, and so I think he did that.

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Speaker 13: But I'm Also with that came the personality. You know,

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Speaker 13: he's known to be abrasive with all the lawsuits, with

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Speaker 13: all this stuff, there's so much drama going on, So

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Speaker 13: to me, it's a distraction. And even though I know

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Speaker 13: he's an effective person and getting stuff done in the leadership,

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Speaker 13: and but he just alienates people on the road, and

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Speaker 13: he can create the divisiveness that we have in this

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Speaker 13: country now.

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Speaker 14: There's a lot of drama, and we don't we don't

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Speaker 14: need the drama. I just feel like, between Kennedy and Trump,

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Speaker 14: I'd actually be okay with either, but I would give

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Speaker 14: Kennedy my vote because we really need to be for

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Speaker 14: the people, and I don't think Trump was as informed

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Speaker 14: as he needed to be.

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Speaker 10: How likely would you be to change your vote from

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Speaker 10: RFK to somebody else if people were saying to you, look,

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Speaker 10: only one can win, and a vote for RFK Junior

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Speaker 10: or a vote for any other third party candidate is,

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Speaker 10: as they say sometimes say, don't waste a wasted vote.

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Speaker 14: I really don't know how to answer that, because, like

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Speaker 14: I said, whether it be Trump or Kennedy, I would

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Speaker 14: be happier than it's anybody but Biden.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to stay safe until the campaigns continue, the

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Speaker 7: conversations continue, just to learn more about mister Kennedy and

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Speaker 7: see how the rest of the candidates are behavior.

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Speaker 14: And I'm going to do a lot more research and

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Speaker 14: go from there.

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Speaker 4: I can never say never.

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Speaker 13: I'm a man of principal and so I'm firmly going

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Speaker 13: for him right now. But you put a new dynamic

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Speaker 13: in there saying, you know what, if it's going to

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Speaker 13: be Biden, So that doesn't that complicates things for me?

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Speaker 10: You your film ten movie?

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Speaker 15: Maybe?

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Speaker 13: No, No, I mean, if you're saying it's going to

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Speaker 13: be either one or the two, it's either Trump or

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Speaker 13: RFK Junior, or it's going to be Biden. I'm going

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Speaker 13: to do what I can so it's not Biden.

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Speaker 11: I'm still open to say the chances Biden still can

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Speaker 11: redeem myself. You know, everybody's not perfect.

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Speaker 3: I think this is what every election gets boiled down to,

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Speaker 3: and everyone turns it into this it has to be

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Speaker 3: one or the other. I think that's the problem. I'm

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Speaker 3: with the bearded guy.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree with him by interesting. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean a couple of things there. I love how all

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Speaker 2: of them can see clearly they're like well, you know,

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Speaker 2: with Trump, I thought X, Y, and Z, then this happened.

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Speaker 3: I don't see it all that clearly.

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Speaker 2: With Biden as well, she was like, well, I didn't

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Speaker 2: particularly want to vote for him, and then I did,

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Speaker 2: and I was pretty.

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Speaker 3: Disappointed with the results, so I'm not going to vote

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Speaker 3: for him.

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Speaker 2: And same you know, with the the way they all

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Speaker 2: feel about Kennedy is clearly a total rejection of the

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Speaker 2: current status quo.

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Speaker 3: They're very uncomfortable with. That said, if I was watching

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Speaker 3: I it was Biden was watching.

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Speaker 2: That clip, I would feel uncomfortable because, and this makes

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Speaker 2: sense for a lot of people who are drifting away

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Speaker 2: and they feel that Biden is infirmed, they can't vote

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Speaker 2: for him.

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Speaker 3: For them, that's already a choice.

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Speaker 2: They're like, I'm not going to vote for Biden, So

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Speaker 2: being forced back into voting for Biden is going to

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Speaker 2: be difficult. Whereas Trump, I mean benefited from this when

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Speaker 2: he was running against Hillary was he can capture the

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Speaker 2: anti Hillary agenda. And don't get me wrong, Biden is

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Speaker 2: definitely a beneficiary of this too. I just don't think

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Speaker 2: it would manifest itself in the same way in an rfkjun.

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Speaker 3: Your focus group.

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Speaker 1: So just to recap very interesting the reasons that the

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Speaker 1: previous Biden voters and the previous Trump voters moved off

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Speaker 1: of those candidates. So it's, you know, I think, very

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Speaker 1: consistent with what we see in the polling. Over whel

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Speaker 1: With Biden, it's age, it's age. There's just like, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't even know if he can do another term.

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Speaker 1: And then you had the one lady also talking about

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Speaker 1: and she talked in one of the previous segments we

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Speaker 1: showed us well about inflation and economics and how she

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Speaker 1: just feels like the economy has been really poor under

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. With Trump, it's the personality, the lawsuits, and

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Speaker 1: the drama. I mean, that's what those two both talked about.

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Speaker 1: Even though the woman in particular, I mean the one

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Speaker 1: who said that listen, I just would be happy with

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Speaker 1: anyone of them, and Biden, I'd be okay if Trump

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Speaker 1: got back in there. I would wager that she at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, if it is coming down

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Speaker 1: to Trump and Biden, is going to vote for Trump

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Speaker 1: because she feels comfortable with him. But what she said

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Speaker 1: is also you know, the drama, the divisiveness, and she

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Speaker 1: felt like he wasn't as well informed as she wanted

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Speaker 1: to see. And again, I mean, these are things the personality,

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Speaker 1: the lawsuits, the drama that you see very much when

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Speaker 1: it comes to reluctance to support Trump again is the

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Speaker 1: sense that it's just like chaos. He's divisive, he's tearing

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Speaker 1: the country apart, and those are some of his bigus

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Speaker 1: liabilities with regards to when they're actually pressed on. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if it really is coming down to the wire and

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Speaker 1: it's not looking like it's going to be RFK, it's

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Speaker 1: looking very much like it's going to be Trump or Biden, what.

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Speaker 4: Are you going to do?

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Speaker 1: Then you basically only had one guy who said, don't care,

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Speaker 1: it's still with RFK Junior. Everyone else was like, mmm,

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Speaker 1: that gets complicated for me.

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Speaker 4: Mmmmm anyone but Biden.

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Speaker 1: So if my vote, I can't, you know, cast a

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Speaker 1: vote that I think is going to help Biden get

665
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Speaker 1: back in there by taking it away from Trump, et cetera.

666
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Speaker 1: And this is why you frequently, i mean basically routinely

667
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Speaker 1: in American politics see that third party candidates pull better

668
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Speaker 1: than they end up performing on election day because a

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Speaker 1: lot of people do that calculus at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, and it's logical it's rational that because our

671
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: system is so rigged against anyone outside of the major

672
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Speaker 1: two parties, that they don't want.

673
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Speaker 4: To feel like they're a spoiler.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to feel they're qute unquote, throwing their

675
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: vote away, and so when push comes to shove, they

676
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: do pick whoever they see as a lesser of two evils.

677
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Speaker 1: That's what Joe Biden campaign is really counting on, you know,

678
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Speaker 1: That is what they're counting on, is that when it

679
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: comes down.

680
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 4: To it, the people who are with him before, who you.

681
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: Know, absolutely hate Donald Trump for whatever reason, are going

682
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: to realize that they have no other option than these

683
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: two individuals, and so they got to suck it up

684
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: once again and vote for Joe Biden. But Sager, I

685
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: do agree with you that I think that is I

686
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: think it will work to a certain extent.

687
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Speaker 4: I think that's true.

688
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: A good number of the people who are typical Democratic

689
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: voters who are expressing a lot of disgust right now

690
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: over Israel or his age, or a variety or the

691
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: economy or variety of other issues. I do think at

692
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, many of them will come home.

693
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Speaker 1: But he needs all of them to come home and

694
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Speaker 1: They've used this argument a lot of times, and it

695
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: is a different deal now where we've had four years

696
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: of Trump and I thought it was horrible, but we

697
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: did all survive to the end of it. The world

698
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: didn't come to an end. So I'm not sure that

699
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: it has the terrifying factor that it did. You know,

700
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: once did and even in twenty sixteen, obviously it wasn't

701
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Speaker 1: enough for it to work out, but also in twenty twenty,

702
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, memories fade very quickly. At that moment, we

703
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: had the clear and present example of like, this is

704
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: what it's like right now to be under a Donald

705
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: Trump presidency, and people were so discussed, they were just

706
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: ready to move on. I think a lot of the

707
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: visceral nature of that angst has faded over time, and

708
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Speaker 1: Trump really benefits from that at this point.

709
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. I think Trump I

710
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: could say, I could call it both ways. If we

711
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: if we got to a point where Trump and the chaos,

712
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: what do you hear from all these people like I

713
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: can't handle this man, it's just difficult.

714
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't seem all this.

715
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Speaker 2: What if we're in the middle of a trial in

716
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: a Supreme court, you know, high stakes gamble between the

717
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: two about whether he's even going to be in prison

718
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: or not, and let alone a convicted criminal.

719
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Speaker 3: I could see it. I could definitely see a bunch

720
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Speaker 3: of these people being like.

721
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Speaker 2: All right, well, you know, I'm either going to sit

722
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: it out or I'm going to vote for Biden or

723
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Speaker 2: vote for RFK vice versa two whenever. Who knows what

724
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Speaker 2: the situation is going to look like at the time.

725
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: But it is clear though that it's real that the

726
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: support for RFK. You know, I wouldn't say it's as

727
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: sticky as you would want for a too party camp

728
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 2: in a two party system obviously, but it's not bad either.

729
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: You know, it's as good as it's got been for

730
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Speaker 3: a long time.

731
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is the there are the biggest

732
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Speaker 1: challenge for him, and we're going to talk about this

733
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more in this you know, campaign drama

734
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: piece that media put out. But the biggest thing for

735
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Speaker 1: him is ballot access. And it's not fair because the

736
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Speaker 1: system has been completely rigged. He's already facing lawsuits from

737
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Speaker 1: the DNC. I guarantee you they're going to go after

738
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Speaker 1: him every single state. I mean, they're just going to

739
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: make it as difficult as possible for his name to

740
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Speaker 1: even appear on the ballot.

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Speaker 4: So that's number one.

742
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Speaker 1: Number two is if you're going to defeat this trend

743
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Speaker 1: of you know, pulling decently as just an alternative because

744
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: people are so disgusted with these two, but them actually

745
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: coming to the polls on election day and sticking with

746
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: that commitment and not being scared into Ah. But at

747
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I just got to it's

748
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: only going to be Biden or Trump, so I gotta

749
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Speaker 1: go with one of the two of them.

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Speaker 4: You are going to have to give people more of an.

751
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: Affirmative like, no, I'm not just against these two actively

752
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: for this guy for whatever the set of reasons is.

753
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: And I think he has some of those diehard supporters,

754
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: but not nearly enough certainly to win or even to

755
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: really impact the outcome of the election, especially as it

756
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: appears right now he's drawing pretty evenly from both candidates.

757
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: So to me, those are kind of the two main

758
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Speaker 1: challenges that he has coming upcoming, and really the ballot

759
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: access one just looms so large in terms of what

760
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Speaker 1: he'll be able to accressication.

761
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: If the man can get on the ballot, then this

762
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: is a whole different ballgame. But if he's not, and

763
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Speaker 2: this is where, yeah, we wanted to discuss this for

764
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Speaker 2: all of you.

765
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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

766
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Speaker 2: There was a bizarre report that came out from media

767
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Speaker 2: where they are claiming that there's been a mass exodus

768
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Speaker 2: of RFK junior campaign staffers. Basically they're like, oh, it's

769
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: a campaign in disarray, arranging amateurs, leadership and all of that.

770
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: I will say I had a couple of red flags

771
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: that came to me immediately afterwards, which is, first of all,

772
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 2: like this is not a traditional political outlet that breaks

773
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: like real scoops and or stories that said they did

774
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 2: correctly report media I back in the day that RFK

775
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: was going to do third party, So possibly there's some there.

776
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: They claim that there have been an exodus, but you know,

777
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: when you look at it, they say it's twelve field

778
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: staff and two mean staff who are alleging chaos on

779
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: the ballot access initiative and quote unquote lavish spending. Most

780
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: of the spending, though, has been concentrated at relatively lower

781
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Speaker 2: level in terms of consulting.

782
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: But maybe the one part.

783
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: That we could take away from this is that people

784
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: who were in the campaign, are coming away and are

785
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: leaking at least to this report, and they're like, the

786
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 2: ballot access is a problem.

787
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 6: Now.

788
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: I went, like I said, on the Kennedy website, they

789
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: have an entire ballot access page where they have it.

790
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: And one thing that was definitely a red flag for me,

791
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: for example, we both live in the state of Virginia,

792
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: is they're like, well, it's forthcoming details and I was like, well,

793
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: you guys need to get on this. You know, it's like,

794
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: shouldn't be forthcoming. I even said previously, I'm like, hey,

795
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 2: if you're involved, reach out to me. I actually walked

796
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: past some rfkolunteers where I live and I was like, hey,

797
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: is this for ballot access and they're like, no, no, no,

798
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: that's that's later. They're like thanks for your interest, though,

799
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: but I was like, well, what are you doing here,

800
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: Like what exactly is this? I'm like, you guys need

801
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: to hit you know, hit the pavement. But first, yeah, exactly.

802
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: It's like, look, bumper stickers are great, but you know

803
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: that's not the first thing that we really need to

804
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: get to.

805
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: So that was my look. If there's any grain in

806
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: this of truth or any of that he's still only

807
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: on the ballot in one state. He's got to get

808
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: on the ballot in forty nine more states. Yeah, it's

809
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: a big, big lift.

810
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: It is a It is a massive, massive lift. It

811
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: will require an absolutely exceptional organization. It will require a

812
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: massive amount of money not only to run the actual

813
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, ballot access campaign, but also to fund the

814
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: lawsuits that have already started coming your way. And so,

815
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: like you, Sager, you know, this is the typical like

816
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: initial hatchet job that comes out. They do the same

817
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: thing with Marianne. You see this all the time where

818
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: it's all the staff is in chaos and we got

819
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: this leak, and that leak from whatever disgruntles staff. For listen,

820
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: if you're running a significant organization, someone is going to

821
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: be bitchy and disgruntled. That's just like the reality, and

822
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: they're going to be out for blood and you know,

823
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: willing to leak whatever to some friendly and get their

824
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: story out there. Throw whoever they're pissed off at under

825
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: the bus. This is typical campaign stuff. So I always

826
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: when you see these types of reports, you should take

827
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Speaker 1: it with a lot of grains of salt. So that's

828
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Speaker 1: my starting point that being said, they do have these

829
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: two letters that they got from staffers of you know,

830
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: that they sent to the campaign of why they were leaving.

831
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: And the line that really sticks out above all others

832
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: is this one that says, quote it bothers me every

833
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: day that so many in the campaign can't see the

834
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: iceberg that is dead ahead called ballot access. If that's true,

835
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: that is a real problem. And again it's not fair, right,

836
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: It's not fair that so much of the campaign has

837
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: to be focused around that. It is anti democratic the

838
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: way that our system has been set up and rigged

839
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: by the two major parties, But it is the reality

840
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: of the system that they are going to have to

841
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: be able to navigate. This staffer who left goes on

842
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: to say, sure, you're hiring national folks for these efforts,

843
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: but what about the field where the vast, vast majority

844
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: of the action happens. The logistics for these operations are

845
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: already complicated, made even more ownerus and costly by the

846
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: vault process. I don't know what that is, and very

847
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: in every state, and somehow you expect these things can

848
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: be worked out by mostly volunteers who will be probably

849
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with just the signature gathering.

850
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: Good luck with that.

851
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: So what this staffer at least is alleging in their

852
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: exit letter was is that, you know, this is being

853
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: run by a largely volunteer staff, They're going to be overwhelmed.

854
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: It's insufficiently capitalized. The campaign doesn't have their eye on

855
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: the ball with regards to this. And if that's true,

856
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: that is a major major issue. And I do think

857
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: that the large sums being spent, you know, going to consultants,

858
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: that is a problem too. I will say again, you know,

859
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: it's so hard when you're not one of like with

860
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: the establishment ever of either party, because people.

861
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 4: Don't want to work for you.

862
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, you know, if you are an experienced political

863
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: operative and you go to work for you know, Dean

864
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: Phillips or Marion or RFK Junior or whoever who is

865
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: outside of Joe Biden or Donald Trump, you know you

866
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: will never work and party politics again.

867
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Speaker 3: You're done pint.

868
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: So in terms of getting you know, seasoned professional operatives,

869
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: you basically don't have any available. I mean they're you know,

870
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: the list is practically zero of actual season campaign professionals

871
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: that you can get. So who do you turn to?

872
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: You got to go to people you know, maybe people

873
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: from the business world, people you trust. You know, that's

874
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: another big thing is Yeah, confidence is important, but also

875
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: in this game, it's really important you have people around

876
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: you that you actually trust, and so you can end

877
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: up with some people who are less experienced a little

878
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: more amateurish with regard to actual campaign operation. But that's

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Speaker 1: basically all that's available to you.

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Speaker 4: So this is also.

881
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: Really not fair, and that's how you can also end

882
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: up getting really scammed by consultants who overcharge you, who

883
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: are just looking for a quick buck, who don't really

884
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Speaker 1: care about what the future is going to hold for them.

885
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: They're just, you know, got to get that cash now

886
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: and worry about that later. That's how you can end

887
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Speaker 1: up with, you know, staff upset over. One of the

888
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Speaker 1: things they talk about here is someone who has brought

889
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Speaker 1: in that they felt like didn't have the you know,

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Speaker 1: adequate experience for the job that she was put into.

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Speaker 1: But I actually really sympathize on all of those counts

892
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Speaker 1: because the world of professional operatives with campaign experience is

893
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: effectively completely closed off to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very well said from somebody who has a lot

895
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Speaker 2: more knowledge on this stuff than me. Will continue to

896
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Speaker 2: track it just remains. Though the ballot access is a problem.

897
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Speaker 2: Some of his people will, it seems, go elsewhere if

898
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Speaker 2: they have to, so begin not giving them the option

899
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Speaker 2: to do so seems to be pretty parable.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, having your name on the ballot is mission critical.

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Speaker 3: Here you go. Joining us now is Ryan Gerdsky.

902
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Speaker 2: He's the author of the National Populist Newsletter, of which

903
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: we have a link down in the description and encourage

904
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Speaker 2: everybody subscribe.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us, sir, Thanks for having me

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Speaker 3: so Ryan.

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Speaker 2: The reason we booked you is because you always have

908
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: unvarnished analysis, especially in terms of what Republicans are doing

909
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: wrong and how they are winning votes. So what you

910
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: wrote immediately after the results of Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, and New

911
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: York elections was this is why are we performing so badly.

912
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: We lost high propensity, mostly college educated white voters. We

913
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Speaker 2: gained lots of low propensity voters who don't show up.

914
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 2: The weirdness around conservative culture, Hail Swift's a CIA Plan

915
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: election was stolen, etc. Is only making these people run

916
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: away more. It is hurting up and down the ballot

917
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: almost everywhere we go. And the fact that these low

918
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: propensity voters won't vote early is because they believe in

919
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: nonsensical conspiracies about voting machines.

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Speaker 3: People need to be aware.

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Speaker 2: So Ryan, not only are you descriptively writing about the problem,

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Speaker 2: but you also have.

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Speaker 3: Some solutions and things in order to be able to

924
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Speaker 3: move past this.

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Speaker 2: So just give us your general reaction to those results

926
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Speaker 2: in New York, building on top of what I just

927
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Speaker 2: read there.

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Speaker 16: So in New York, Mazi fill ups.

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Speaker 3: The Republican.

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Speaker 16: NASA County gop IS, which is NASA Keunny's in the

931
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Speaker 16: third congressional district along the Queens is one of the

932
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Speaker 16: most efficient and actually powerful local Republican parties in the country.

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Speaker 16: They've done an amazing job winning Candida, winning elections for

934
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Speaker 16: candidates up and down the ballot. The thing is is

935
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Speaker 16: that to me, they got very cute with how they

936
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Speaker 16: picked their endorsement process. They picked a woman, black Jewish IDF,

937
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 16: former veteran, a mother of seven immigrant I mean they

938
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Speaker 16: went through the checkboxes, but she had She was a

939
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Speaker 16: registered Democrat who had close to no conservative beliefs I

940
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Speaker 16: mean on immigration, on abortion, I mean, on any close

941
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Speaker 16: to anything. I didn't hear her say any Republican or

942
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Speaker 16: conservative speaking talking points, and she ran against a very

943
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 16: long vettle. Tom Swazi has been in an elected office

944
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Speaker 16: since nineteen ninety four. He's been here for a very

945
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 16: very very long time. These short The reason that she

946
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 16: overperformed Trump and overperformed even George Santos in twenty twenty,

947
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Speaker 16: who ran against Swaw twenty was because Nassau County and

948
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Speaker 16: that area of Queens is moving to the right. Nonetheless,

949
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 16: and yet still she lost and she should and a

950
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Speaker 16: better Republican would have been able to win. And it's

951
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 16: not one specific thing. I mean, Mazi's did not campaign.

952
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 16: She wouldn't campaign on Saturday, she wouldn't campaign in the evenings.

953
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 16: She was multiple campaign events she didn't even show up to. Altogether,

954
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 16: she was a bad candidate. But there is something larger

955
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 16: going on. In Oklahoma, we had a special extp state

956
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 16: Senate in a Republican plus twenty six seat that they

957
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 16: won by five. In Pennsylvania there was a Democrat plus

958
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 16: tennesseeat that we lost by like fifty. There is a

959
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 16: problem right now, and the problem specifically is there were

960
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 16: a lot of Republicans used to dominate special elections. We

961
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Speaker 16: would absolutely dominate it just ten years ago, but we

962
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 16: traded a hyperpensity college educated voters for a lot of

963
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 16: non college educated voters of many different political persuasions who

964
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Speaker 16: do not vote in most elections.

965
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Speaker 3: They just don't.

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Speaker 16: And the persuadable independent voter are looking at Republicans a

967
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 16: lot and agreeing with them on immigration, on education, We're

968
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Speaker 16: winning them on on a million different issues. We are

969
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 16: winning them on. But yet they are looking at them

970
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 16: and saying they're weird. Something is really really weird about them.

971
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Speaker 16: They don't want to be around, and that is the

972
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 16: vibe check is a very big problem.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk a little bit more about that.

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Speaker 1: This poll just came out about the alleged Taylor Swift, Nato, Soros,

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Speaker 1: Pfizer si up.

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Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So you've got eighteen percent of the public believes in

978
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: this covert government effort for Taylor Swift to help Joe

979
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Speaker 1: Biden win the presidential election. Seventy three percent say this

980
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: is insane and it does not exist. Nine percent say

981
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Speaker 1: they don't know. But also critically, Ryan, there was a

982
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Speaker 1: large proportion of the public that knew about this insane

983
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: conspiracy that obviously is overwhelmingly rejected by the public, but

984
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Speaker 1: is believed by a significant proportion of the Republican base.

985
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot too your instinct that

986
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: just like normies who may you know, agree with Republicans

987
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: on some issue and be open especially to like a

988
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: more moderate Republican in Long Island or whatever, like, these

989
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: people are just going off the deep end like this

990
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: tailor swift conspiracy, you know, nonsense, and a whole host

991
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: of other down the rabbit hole online conspiracy theories are

992
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: just too much for me to swallow and associate with.

993
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 16: Look, because the media, the establishment media, has failed so

994
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 16: spectacularly at doing their job and presenting honest facts. There

995
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 16: is a business model, a very substantial business model where

996
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 16: if you can get ten thousand people or fifteen thousand

997
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 16: people who like you, and we'll give you three dollars

998
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 16: a month and support you, you have a very serious business.

999
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 16: So you have insert you know, ex Republican conservative influencer

1000
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 16: name sitting there impeddling nonsense to like It's as if

1001
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 16: it's like pure heroine to their loyal people who believe

1002
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 16: they are the only arbiters of the truth, and they

1003
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 16: have to sell the most pure I mean, it has

1004
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 16: to go. Ten you got to go. You got to

1005
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 16: push that envelope every single time, because if you don't,

1006
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 16: somebody else will. That is very, very, very damaging, especially

1007
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 16: when so many of those thoughts are just free of facts.

1008
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 16: A lot of them are peddling, influenced to other campaigns

1009
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 16: in order to get more access to other people in

1010
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 16: hopes of getting you know, invited to the White House

1011
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 16: Christmas Party. It is an extremely toxic trait in our

1012
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 16: culture right now. It is especially toxic right now in

1013
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 16: Republican politics. And I don't know, I mean, it is

1014
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 16: the great irony of the Donald Trump campaign is it

1015
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 16: has never been more establishment. Within the inner circles of

1016
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 16: the Donald Trump campaign, it is the most professional has

1017
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 16: ever been. It is most establishment Republican has ever been.

1018
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 16: And the preferee, the people who hang out of my

1019
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 16: relat go to you know, get one picture with him,

1020
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 16: have never been crazier. And it is just the absolute, true,

1021
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 16: stranged dichotomy of Republican politics right now.

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Speaker 2: That is such a good point, you know, Ryan, And

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Speaker 2: I also saw you tweeting a lot about mail in

1024
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: voting and about early voting. If you could expand on that,

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Speaker 2: I know there's a big war in the Republican party

1026
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: about that. But something that you have to acknowledge is

1027
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: the strength of a lot of mail in voters as

1028
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: long as it is allowed for Democrats. What are some

1029
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: of the thoughts on that, and then how Republicans should

1030
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: think about it as well.

1031
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Speaker 16: I mean Republicans used to dominate early voting because early

1032
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 16: voting was primarily the method that elderly people voted, in

1033
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 16: people seventy five and older who couldn't make it to

1034
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 16: the polls, and that obviously changed really during COVID. But

1035
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 16: there is no excuse why Republicans are losing the early

1036
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 16: in person ballot voting. I mean people can go to

1037
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 16: the polls for two weeks, three weeks whatever ahead of

1038
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 16: time and actually vote in person. I understand fears of

1039
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 16: early voting, and obviously, in the recent case in Connecticut,

1040
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 16: it was shown that early voting did result in some

1041
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 16: temperate out and some changing of the ballots or something

1042
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 16: like that. But there is I understand the fear, but

1043
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 16: there is no fear of in person early voting. If

1044
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 16: you are a two of four voter, that means you

1045
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 16: voted in two of the last four elections or one

1046
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 16: of the last four elections, there is a very high

1047
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 16: chance that you're not going to wake up on a

1048
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Speaker 16: Tuesday for a special election and say I got to

1049
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 16: get to vote someone like me.

1050
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Speaker 3: They will always I will always vote.

1051
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Speaker 16: I vote in every single I've never missed an election

1052
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 16: in my life. But that's the people that Republicans need

1053
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 16: to get out and go vote early. Are those one

1054
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 16: of four, of those two of fours, those people without

1055
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 16: the high perpensitive voting. And the way it breaks down

1056
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 16: in America is the people who will vote the most

1057
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 16: often are college educated whites who are increasingly liberal. Blacks

1058
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 16: are second, non college educated whites or third. Latinos and

1059
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 16: Asians are fourth and fifth. Well, who are Republicans getting

1060
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 16: with Asians and Latinos and white non college educated voters

1061
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 16: while losing college educated voters. So we are trading in

1062
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 16: hyperpensity voters for lower pensity voters. That is problematic and

1063
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 16: there is no and as long as this perpetual fear

1064
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 16: that every election is stolen's going around, we're not going

1065
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 16: to move the needle with a huge mass of people.

1066
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Speaker 16: There's millions and millions of people in that latter pool

1067
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Speaker 16: Republicans gain. You just got to get them to show up, Yes.

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Speaker 1: So famously back in twenty sixteen, Chuck Schumer said, for

1069
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Speaker 1: every blue collar Democrat we lose in western PA, we

1070
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Speaker 1: will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia,

1071
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Speaker 1: And you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.

1072
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: Obviously didn't work out for Democrats in twenty sixteen, but

1073
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Speaker 1: it sounds like what you're arguing is basically like he

1074
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: was right. Over time, that is what happened. And you know,

1075
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Speaker 1: historically Republicans always had the turnout advantage because they tended

1076
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: to do better among wealthier, college educated people, and those

1077
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: were the people who are the more reliable voters. But

1078
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Speaker 1: that dynamic has now completely flipped, right.

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Speaker 16: I mean, that's true, and that's why these special elections.

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Speaker 16: I mean in twenty twenty three so far and all

1081
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Speaker 16: the special elections, and I think twenty twenty two that

1082
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 16: the average number of vote is D plus six from

1083
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 16: where it was in twenty twenty. The electorate is six

1084
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 16: more present Democrat than it was in twenty twenty. And

1085
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Speaker 16: that is not because everyone who was Republican changed their minds.

1086
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Speaker 16: It's because who was showing up to actually go vote

1087
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Speaker 16: in these elections in twenty twenty two. We Republicans in

1088
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 16: states like New York, in states like Florida where the

1089
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Speaker 16: issues were crime in COVID and the Republican independent vote.

1090
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: Was very, very strong.

1091
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Speaker 16: They had a very they had a very very uh

1092
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Speaker 16: you know, great performance in other places around the country

1093
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Speaker 16: when it was about either Donald Trump or abortion and

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Speaker 16: the independent vote was weak, it had this had a

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Speaker 16: negative impact. We've lost a lot of these races. But

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Speaker 16: more importantly is the number of Republicans turning out the

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Speaker 16: vote wasn't high enough because we were losing those high propensity,

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Speaker 16: college educated people. That is a long term problem, but

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Speaker 16: it's not it's not a problem that can't be fixed.

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Speaker 16: It's not like, you know, Lee Zelden didn't get forty

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Speaker 16: seven percent or forty six zo point five percent in

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Speaker 16: New York State, or you know, Governor Ron de Standers

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Speaker 16: didn't get fifty nine percent in Florida. There are places

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Speaker 16: where people have made that impact on that in road.

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Speaker 16: It's just the issues that they talk about, it's the

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Speaker 16: vibe that they sit there and bring about, and it's

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Speaker 16: the fact that they are, you know, really hitting voters

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Speaker 16: where they're at rather than trying to take them on

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Speaker 16: this you know, Merry go around into crazy Land, and

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Speaker 16: I think that that really is. I mean, but there

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Speaker 16: is a big difference between the Pennsylvania governor's election and

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Speaker 16: the New York governor's election. New York had a closer election,

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Speaker 16: you know, than Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania was to the left of

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Speaker 16: not only I think not only just New York, but

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Speaker 16: of California. And it wasn't because the electorate change. It's

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00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 16: because the candidate's change. And that really does mean something.

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Speaker 1: I think that matters more at the state level than

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00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: it does for federal elections, which I think increasingly are

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Speaker 1: more subject just to national trends than candidate quality is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's how you get like an Andy Basheer

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Speaker 1: that can win in Kentucky. That so you can get

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Speaker 1: such an outsize result in a place like Pennsylvania or

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Speaker 1: New York who's unique and well known in the state

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Speaker 1: that can outperform in a governor's race. I think it

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Speaker 1: is a little different at the federal level. But your

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00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: points are all well taken. How do you think that

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00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: it translates for twenty twenty four, because you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is basically the Democratic cope at this point is like, Yeah,

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00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: the polls look really bad for Joe Biden and eighty

1130
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: six percent of the country thinks he's too old and his.

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Speaker 4: Approval ratings are trashed.

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Speaker 1: How in these special elections we are consistently outperforming because

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00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: people are just so disgusted with whatever it is that

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00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: the Republicans are trying to sell them. Do you think

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00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: that that logic works out for twenty twenty four or

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Speaker 1: the dynamics of a special election different enough from a

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00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: national presidential general election that the trend doesn't really hold up.

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Speaker 3: I think they differ.

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Speaker 16: I mean there is they definitely differ spostantially.

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Speaker 3: There's big questions.

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Speaker 16: I mean, minority turnout has been down in almost every

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Speaker 16: one of these special elections. There is no indication of

1143
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 16: whether or not minority turnout, especially black turnout, will be

1144
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 16: where it was in twenty twenty. If it reflects twenty

1145
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 16: sixteen numbers, which was blacks for twelve percent of the

1146
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 16: national elector rather than thirteen percent, that one percent dip

1147
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 16: is enough to swing the entire country towards Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: The other question.

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Speaker 16: Is is that does the white college education The white

1150
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 16: colleges vote will not mean enough if the millions upon

1151
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 16: millions of non college educated voters, both Hispanic, Asian and

1152
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 16: white come out in droves like they did for Trump

1153
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 16: only in twenty sixteen, but in twenty twenty. I mean,

1154
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Speaker 16: Trump a very high turn among those groups in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 16: It just wasn't enough because he was losing independence and

1156
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 16: he was losing enough of non college educated voters to

1157
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Speaker 16: sit there and matter. But nonetheless it does. It's not

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Speaker 16: I don't think. I don't think special elections reflect the

1159
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 16: presidential election, but they do reflect a changing issue where

1160
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 16: we will have issues in mid terms going forwards. We

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00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 16: will have issues and specials going forwards. That is a

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00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 16: serious series, long term problem that needs to be solved,

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Speaker 16: and I don't think it's reflected with twenty twenty four yet.

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Speaker 2: Really, well said Ryan, As we said, he's got the

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Speaker 2: National Populous newsletter. Link is down in the description. Go

1166
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: subscribe to it and help him out. Thanks for joining us, man.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Ryan, good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Ye all right, we could not resist covering some of

1169
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Speaker 1: the continued fallout over John Stewart's return on Monday Night

1170
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: in what was very solid performance, but ultimately this hilarious

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00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: thing about the jokes that John Stewart made is that

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Speaker 1: all of it is really widely accepted by the marriag.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's obviously it is not controversial to say

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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden is old and that people are concerned

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Speaker 1: about it. And yet you know, liberals are acting like

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Speaker 1: the sky is falling and Joe and John Stewart is

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Speaker 1: some like, you know, absolute threat to democracy on the

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Speaker 1: level of Vladimir Putin now at this point. So first

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Speaker 1: I have to turn to our friends over at the

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Speaker 1: View for their trenchant analysis of John Stewart in the

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Speaker 1: threat that he represents the country. Let's take a listen

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Speaker 1: to what they had to say.

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Speaker 17: You have, on the one hand, you've got a Guya Biden,

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Speaker 17: how old, the eighty one eighty one and so his stammers.

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Speaker 17: He's had a stammer all his life. I think that

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Speaker 17: that's part of the reason he sometimes looks a little doddering.

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Speaker 17: He's trying to get the words out. The guy has

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Speaker 17: accomplished a lot, a lot. I don't want to repeat

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Speaker 17: all the things he's done for Americans already. On the

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Speaker 17: other hand, you basically have had a seventy seven year

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00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 17: old criminal who only cares about who only cares about

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Speaker 17: getting out of jat.

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Speaker 18: A difference between age and vitality. There's a difference between

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Speaker 18: age and really being up on things and having that

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Speaker 18: quickness of wit that Joy has.

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Speaker 3: Let me just tell you.

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Speaker 18: That Martha Stewart's eighty two. She's still cooking in front

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Speaker 18: of people.

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Speaker 3: She's growing Kenny Little. She's so exactly.

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Speaker 18: Robert de Niro and Al Pacino are getting it in.

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Speaker 18: They've got babies in their eighties. Jane n eighty six,

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Speaker 18: Representative Mexine Waters eighty five, Bernie Sanders eighty two, Nancy

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Speaker 18: Pelosi eighty three.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 18: They look like they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: They have the wisdom, they.

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Speaker 18: Have the history. The problem with this country is that

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Speaker 18: we don't value people with their wisdom. We don't value seniors,

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Speaker 18: we don't value up there.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sick of this age.

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Speaker 19: As I don't have a problem with Biden.

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Speaker 4: I voted for Biden.

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Speaker 19: I'm in anyone but Trump, but I was voting for

1214
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Speaker 19: Biden anyway. But I also am honest about the gaps

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Speaker 19: I see people concerned with which I think you can

1216
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 19: have both things right now, and I think that it's

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00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 19: voters are concerned, and by telling them they shouldn't be,

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00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 19: or that they're following a Republican narrative by listening to it,

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00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 19: you're literally saying, like, close your eyes to what you're seeing,

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Speaker 19: or you're making them feel bad for raising something. And

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Speaker 19: as John Stewart said in There, replace age with Vitality,

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Speaker 19: he showed stammering in different points with each candidate and said,

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Speaker 19: the only record they're breaking is the oldest one, is

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Speaker 19: the record.

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Speaker 3: They set four years ago.

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Speaker 19: So it is a fair concern to say this, we

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Speaker 19: ask people to keep their eyes open on January sixth,

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Speaker 19: I don't think it's fair to tell them to close

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Speaker 19: their eyes to what they're seeing.

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Speaker 17: Okay, then don't close your eyes to the tape. The

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Speaker 17: the rest of the tape that John Stewart showed, and.

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Speaker 1: Then they go on to show the parts where he's

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Speaker 1: showing Trump's forgetfullness.

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Speaker 4: That's better. And I mean, I just want.

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Speaker 1: To know what is the market for this, like for

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Speaker 1: this absolute delusional view. Joy's saying, Oh, it's his stammer.

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Speaker 1: He stammered, all is lighter. That's why he looks Are

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Speaker 1: you kidding me? Eighty six percent of Americans say this

1239
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: man is tool. A majority of Democrats say, this man

1240
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Speaker 1: is too old, and you're acting like John Stewart is

1241
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: some like traitor to the cause because he acknowledged what

1242
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: is clearly apparent, and you know what he did go

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00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: on to say, like, you know, oh, listen, it's a

1244
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: legitimate issue, especially because there is so much at stake

1245
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Speaker 1: with Trump on the ballot too, and his you know,

1246
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: potential criminal convictions and all of the indictments, et cetera.

1247
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: He even said that thing. So the panic over this

1248
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: and the cope over it, and the complete like other

1249
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: worldly bubble that they insist on inhabiting is just pretty incredible.

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Speaker 2: I remember the two of us getting attacked for this

1251
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: back in twenty nineteen whenever we would go after Biden there.

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Speaker 2: This is when the stammer fakery began, because there was

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Speaker 2: this whole plantic article.

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Speaker 3: It was like, who you go to stutter?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, so he has a stutter that miraculously

1256
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Speaker 2: had as a child, went away for his entire professional life,

1257
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Speaker 2: and then suddenly reappeared whenever he was old or he's

1258
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: just really freaking old, you know, and then to use

1259
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Speaker 2: that as a defense about why we're not supposed to

1260
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: attack him ridiculous. One of my friends who actually has

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Speaker 2: a stutter and now has spent a lot of time

1262
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Speaker 2: in speech therapy, he put out a whole threat on this.

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Speaker 2: He's like, this is deeply insulting to those of us

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Speaker 2: who actually have stutters. It is debilitary, and it could be

1265
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Speaker 2: really annoying. All these things that we've had to deal

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Speaker 2: with for life. But Biden clearly is not suffering because

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Speaker 2: of his stutter, Like, this is not something that is uh,

1268
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: this is not a result of the condition itself. It

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Speaker 2: is driven entirely by age, and that is obvious to.

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Speaker 3: Anyone with the brain.

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Speaker 2: Realistically, what this is is that it's just about political correctness.

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00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: It's about creating and opening the space such that we

1273
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Speaker 2: are not allowed to discuss this at all, even in

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Speaker 2: the context of humor. But that's why Stuart's frankly anodyne

1275
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: observation that all of us see is funny, because we

1276
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Speaker 2: know that he's one of the only people who can

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Speaker 2: say it in that type of space, which is then

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Speaker 2: what invites the crackdown the criticism. I mean, Christal, you

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00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: found this, but here we've got freaking Mary Trump.

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Speaker 3: Who is the resistance what is a niece? Is that

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Speaker 3: who she is?

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Speaker 2: Niece of Donald Trump? She wrote a book, you know

1283
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Speaker 2: all this, why Trump is a threat and all of that.

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Speaker 2: I'm big NBC fan favorite. I'm sure the boom er

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Speaker 2: grandma's out there.

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Speaker 3: I'll know who she is.

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Speaker 2: But now she's saying, you know that mayor that Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is no sorry, that John Stuart is responsible, it

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Speaker 2: seems for Trump for Trump selection.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is incredible. Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So she has a substack apparently, and wrote a whole

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Speaker 1: piece about how John Stuart is a potential disaster for democracy.

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Speaker 1: I did read this piece, guys, I couldn't resist, and.

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Speaker 4: I'll share with you a little excerpt here.

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Speaker 1: She says, not only is Stuart's both sides are the same,

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Speaker 1: rhetoric not funny. It's a potential disaster for democracy. Stuart

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Speaker 1: helped wipe out the motivation generated by Obama's two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight message of hope and change, motivation that led

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Speaker 1: to record turnout in two thousand and eight, the damage

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Speaker 1: done by his rally to Restore Sanity, a DC rally

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Speaker 1: joke which inspired an entire generation to shrug off politics

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Speaker 1: and ignore the dangers The right wing cannot be overstated.

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Speaker 1: It was no small part responsible for helping Donald come

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Speaker 1: to power. This rally we're looking at, is it twenty

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Speaker 1: ten or twenty.

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Speaker 3: Eleven, October of twenty ten. I tire, by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, October of two thousand, a rally that he did

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Speaker 1: in October of twenty ten, is apparently in no small

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Speaker 1: part responsible for helping Donald Trump come to power, and

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Speaker 1: he now represents a potential disaster for democracy because he

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Speaker 1: dared to say what is plainly obvious to anyone with

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Speaker 1: a functioning brain. Eighty six percent of Americans looking at

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Speaker 1: this man and saying, you know what, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: about another four years, and you know what it.

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Speaker 4: Is, really soccer.

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Speaker 1: It is this cult like denial of reality that is

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Speaker 1: mirrored on the right. I mean, they are like two

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Speaker 1: sides of the same coin at this point. It's like

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Speaker 1: anything I have to say, any inconvenient fact or reality

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Speaker 1: that I have to deny in order to avoid giving

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Speaker 1: the other side some talking point, I am going to

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Speaker 1: do it, and I'm going to attack anyone who doesn't

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Speaker 1: follow the rules of the game of just complete denial

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Speaker 1: of the obvious realities in front of our faith.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's totally nuts, and it's also just

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Speaker 2: gets back to the idea that you're not allowed to

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Speaker 2: criticize people within your own side, and I think it

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Speaker 2: really is insulting to people. There are a lot of

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Speaker 2: people who think that Biden is too old and are

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Speaker 2: going to vote for him.

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Speaker 3: You know why, because I hate Trump. Now you can

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Speaker 3: make fun of them.

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Speaker 2: We could certainly discuss it here if you want, but

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Speaker 2: you cannot criticize that because people are informed enough to

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Speaker 2: discuss it, to rationalize it in their head, and to

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Speaker 2: make the choice that they feel best.

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Speaker 3: But here you can do advice versa.

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Speaker 1: Go, yeah, well, I was just Here's the other thing

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Speaker 1: is you could have had an open democratic primary process

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Speaker 1: so that people weren't having to go like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: is this man going to drop dead before we even

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Speaker 1: get to election day. If you thought Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 1: you think Donald Trump is such a threat to democracy,

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Speaker 1: and I personally do not want to see Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: back in the White House, you could have opened up

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Speaker 1: the process so people had other alternatives of candidates who

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Speaker 1: aren't in their eighties, of candidates who are able to

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Speaker 1: formulate a sentence, of candidates who don't routinely tell stories

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Speaker 1: about foreign leaders who died twenty years ago. Okay, thirty

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01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: years ago, you could have done so. The people to

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Speaker 1: blame the DNC and the Democratic Party establishment who decided

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Speaker 1: they wanted to have an anointment of King Biden rather

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Speaker 1: than actually give voters a choice so you had a

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Speaker 1: better shot come November. Because the truth of the matter is,

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Speaker 1: if you had a run on the mill Dean Phillips

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Speaker 1: style generic Democrat, they would be in a much, much,

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Speaker 1: much better position to win come November. And that was

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Speaker 1: another thing that stuck out in that RFK junior focus

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Speaker 1: group is the people who had said we voted for Biden,

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Speaker 1: We're not voting for him this time. They were asked, okay,

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Speaker 1: is this about Bidener's about the Democratic Party?

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's about Biden. It's about Biden.

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Speaker 1: And so all of the celebrations around the special election results,

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Speaker 1: like what just happened in New York three, where people

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Speaker 1: are saying, ah, good, thank goodness, I think we're going

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Speaker 1: to be fine, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: That was for like a generic Democrat.

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Speaker 1: It may be a very different story when people are

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Speaker 1: actually considering the person of Joe Biden, and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: John Stewart who created these freaking dynamics, Mary Trump and Joy.

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Speaker 4: And whoever else at the view. It was the.

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party that forced the public into this horrific choice

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Speaker 1: of you know, it's Joe Biden and that's the only

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Speaker 1: option on the Democratic side.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, it's totally crazy, especially with the way that you

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Speaker 2: have the media that then enforces within this you see

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Speaker 2: why they get away with it. And when the vast

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Speaker 2: majority of these Democrats trust the media, I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: the Democratic base, it's very, very difficult to have an

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Speaker 2: open and a real conversation. It's genuinely a tragedy because

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Speaker 2: if they do lose or if.

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Speaker 3: He dies, imagine, you know, what are we going to do?

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Speaker 3: Are what is going to happen to this country?

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Speaker 2: And it's an entirely foreseeable, predictable event that only you know,

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Speaker 2: after a special counsel writes the obvious, are we even

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Speaker 2: allowed to And now they're trying to get the tapes

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Speaker 2: of that conversation not to come out. Oh that's another thing,

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Speaker 2: you know, we put we won't have time probably to

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Speaker 2: comfort it's not a big enough story and of itself.

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Speaker 2: But you know how Biden said, he said, how in

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Speaker 2: the hair. Hell, dare he ask me when my son died?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, it turns out, for people familiar with the transcript,

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Speaker 2: he never asked him.

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Speaker 3: The special counsel Biden brought up Bo's death and then

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Speaker 3: then he couldn't remember, yeah, when he died. And I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to sound mean.

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Speaker 2: I really don't, but you're gasslighting the whole country yea,

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Speaker 2: and forcing us to walk the plank with you.

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Speaker 3: Dude, Yes, like that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, for the ladies at the view,

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you ever even inform your audience that

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden had opponents? Did you have any of them

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Speaker 1: on your show?

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Speaker 4: So, I mean you actually have direct culpability for.

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Speaker 1: The fact that this is the choice facing the American

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Speaker 1: people at this point. So, you know, don't look at

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Speaker 1: don't put the blame on John Stewart for pointing out

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Speaker 1: the absolute obvious. You know, do a little self reflection

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Speaker 1: about your role in enforcement for Joe Biden that led

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Speaker 1: us to this place that the majority of Americans are

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Speaker 1: disgusted to be in. Absolutely, We've got some breaking news

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Speaker 1: this morning that we wanted to bring to Israeli special

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Speaker 1: forces are storming NASA Hospital in Communists in Gaza. This

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Speaker 1: is the largest remaining functioning hospital in the entire Gaza strip.

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Speaker 1: We can put some images that are coming out this morning.

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Speaker 1: These are courtesy of Middle East Eye. You can see

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Speaker 1: and by the way, this is very difficult to watch,

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Speaker 1: but you can see some of the horror unfolding there

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Speaker 1: in the hospital. I'm actually going to read the report

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Speaker 1: here from New York Times. They say Israel sent troops

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Speaker 1: into Nasar Medical Complex on Thursday in what it described

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Speaker 1: as a quote limited operation against Hamas, raising concerns about

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Speaker 1: the fate of hundreds of patients and medical workers and

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Speaker 1: the many thousands of displaced Palestinians who had sought shelter

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Speaker 1: there from the war. The raid came two days after

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Speaker 1: Israel's military ordered displaced people to evacuate the hospital. Put

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Speaker 1: a pin in that piece because I've got some news

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Speaker 1: for you there as well. This is the largest hospital

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Speaker 1: in southern Gaza and one of the last ones even

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Speaker 1: functioning in the enclave. This, of course, as Israel has

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Speaker 1: made targeting hospitals a real focus of this operation, something

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Speaker 1: that was previously absolutely unheard of. Something was sparking earlier

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Speaker 1: in this operation huge debates about whether this was justified.

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Speaker 1: Of course, hospitals typically completely off limits in terms of

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Speaker 1: the rules of war, not so in terms of Israeli

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Speaker 1: operations in Gaza. They go on to say this came

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Speaker 1: after warnings by health officials that military operation there could

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Speaker 1: be catastrophic for civilians. A Gazin health ministry spokesman said

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Speaker 1: the Israeli military demolished the southern wall of the complex,

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Speaker 1: begun storming and overrunning the ambulance center in an area

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Speaker 1: where displaced people have been living intense He said Israeli

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Speaker 1: forces were attacking the hospital's orthopedic department and had killed

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Speaker 1: one patient and injured several others. As far as the

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Speaker 1: Israeli military, what they are saying is that these special

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Speaker 1: forces soldiers are quote conducting a precise and limited operation

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Speaker 1: inside NASA against Hamas, which it accused of hiding in

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Speaker 1: the hospital among wounded civilians. Israel, which is said Hamas

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Speaker 1: uses hospitals across Gaza as cover for military operations, that

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Speaker 1: it had intelligence, including from released hostages, that Hamas had

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Speaker 1: held captives at the hospital and that their bodies might

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Speaker 1: be there. Israeli authorities, though also lowering expectations that they

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Speaker 1: will actually be able to find and recover any of

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Speaker 1: the bodies of those hostages. So take that justification for

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Speaker 1: what it's worth. Of course, you know this comes in

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Speaker 1: a broader context sagre of You initially had people pushed

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Speaker 1: out of northern Gaza into Conunis. Con Unis became a

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Speaker 1: real center of the population. Conunis has been under massive

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Speaker 1: attack and bombardment from the Israelis.

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Speaker 4: People have been pushed down to Rafa.

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Speaker 1: We are still waiting to see what happens there, but

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Speaker 1: already bombardment of Rafa As started as well. So you

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Speaker 1: had thousands of Palestinians who had sheltered in this hospital,

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Speaker 1: in this medical complex, thinking apparently wrongly, that hospitals may

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Speaker 1: be a safer location to shelter, and now even this

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Speaker 1: hospital also being targeted. One more thing with regard to

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Speaker 1: the initial order to evacuate, because this is absolutely horrifying.

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Speaker 1: Put this report from the intercept up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: They did a good job on reporting this out. So

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Speaker 1: the headline here is IDF sent in handcuffed prisoner to

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Speaker 1: evacuate hospital, then killed him when he left. Basically the

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Speaker 1: entirety of the story here is in the headline. They

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Speaker 1: sent a Palestinian prisoner in in handcuffed I think basically

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Speaker 1: zip tied handcuffs into this hospital to tell them that

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Speaker 1: they had to leave.

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Speaker 4: Or they would all be killed.

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Speaker 1: And then on the way out, his mother, I believe,

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Speaker 1: was there in the hospital begging him not to go

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Speaker 1: back out, but he said, they threatened me if I

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Speaker 1: don't leave the civilians here at this hospital hour at risk.

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Speaker 1: He left and then the Israelis shot him and this

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Speaker 1: was all documented by the intercept and by witnesses on

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Speaker 1: the scene. So yet another scene of horror emerging out

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Speaker 1: of the Gaza strip and hospital that had been serving

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Speaker 1: as a sanctuary for many displaced Palestins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the big pivting is the Israelis are already downplaying,

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Speaker 2: as you said, some of the initial claims about why

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Speaker 2: they're going into the hospital, and they haven't been They

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Speaker 2: didn't exactly have the best track record in terms of

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Speaker 2: what happened earlier in Gaza City, So they're going to

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Speaker 2: have to show results if they want to continue to

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Speaker 2: justify this. As you saw from the footage as well,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's pretty terrifying about what exactly that looks like.

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Speaker 2: And the question too, I believe you can correct me

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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, because it is the last remaining one.

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Speaker 3: The question is is that it is.

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Speaker 2: Going to be reprobably damaged that the can continue medical facility.

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Speaker 2: This is the last bastion I guess of healthcare for

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Speaker 2: doctors without borders for many others. It also is one

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Speaker 2: of the easier ways when supplies were able to get through,

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Speaker 2: to be able to get it to this hospital.

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Speaker 3: So if it does shut down, it would obviously.

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Speaker 2: Constitute complete, basically an absolute shutdown of all healthcare in

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Speaker 2: the entire strip.

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Speaker 3: So very terrifying. Yeah, in terms of what's happening right now.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and by the way, I should say, the doctors

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Speaker 1: and hospital administrators absolutely deny the claims there be made

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Speaker 1: here by the Israelis being used as justification for the

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Speaker 1: stormy of a hospital, which again, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: the news media has almost become accustomed to hospitals being

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Speaker 1: targeted in this conflict. But this is very much outside

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Speaker 1: of the norms of modern warfare. As I said previously,

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Speaker 1: hospitals should be completely off limits and it is a

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Speaker 1: war crime to target them except in the most exceptional

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Speaker 1: of circumstances.

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Speaker 4: And since we.

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Speaker 1: Had sort of these, you know, debates early on, and

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Speaker 1: there was this overwhelming propaganda campaign to justify some of

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Speaker 1: the early hospital attacks. Some of the latter ones have

1521
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: gone barely without notice, not to mention the targeting of ambulances,

1522
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: the targeting of other healthcare clinics and facilities. And this

1523
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: comes of course as there's been a massive shortage of

1524
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: medical supplies as well, such that you've had children having

1525
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: to undergo amputations without anesthetic, women having to give birth

1526
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: and suffer through cesareans without anesthetic. I did see some

1527
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: videos online this morning that, you know, I can't verify,

1528
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: but would comport with the reality of what's unfolding. Women

1529
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: who have literally just given birth half an hour before

1530
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: being forced to evacuate.

1531
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 4: The hospital with their babies.

1532
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: You can, I mean, I can't actually even imagine what

1533
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: that would be like. At the same time as we're

1534
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: watching that, there are other significant developments.

1535
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen. Report from the

1536
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal.

1537
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: The US is reportedly probing some Israeli strikes that have

1538
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: killed civilians in Gaza and the possible use of white

1539
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: phosphorus in Lebanon. The investigation could result in new conditions

1540
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: being set on the delivery of US weapons to Israel.

1541
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: I would not hold my breath on that second part.

1542
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: They even go on to say in this report that

1543
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: the probes are not indicative of a broader policy shift,

1544
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: but Zager. They're basically looking at two separate incidents here,

1545
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: both of which we've reported on here on this show.

1546
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: One was that attack on the Jibalia refugee camp near

1547
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: Gaza City. It killed more than one hundred and twenty

1548
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: five people. According to US officials. Israel had said they

1549
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: were targeting a hamaska and in a tunnel under a

1550
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: high rise building.

1551
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 4: It appears they used a.

1552
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: Two thousand pound bomb in that strike on that refugee camp.

1553
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: That is why there were so many deaths and so

1554
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: many casualties. We're talking about huge numbers of women and

1555
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: children who were killed in that strike. The State Department

1556
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 1: reportedly probing basically to see whether or not this was

1557
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: a war crime. The other incident that they are investigating

1558
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: is one that the Washington posted expensive reporting on and

1559
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: we talked about here as well, and that was the

1560
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: use of white phosphorus in Lebanon in ways that are

1561
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: also inconsistent with the laws of war again. I would

1562
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: not raise your expectations that this is going to result

1563
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: in much, if anything. But you have a quote here

1564
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: from Sarah Jeger, former human rights advisor to the Pentagon's

1565
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: Joint chiefs of Staff, now serves as Washington director for

1566
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: Human Rights Watch. She called the continuing investigations a quote

1567
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: much needed step for the US, but also expressed, as

1568
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,759
Speaker 1: she should, a lot of skepticism about the impact, saying,

1569
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: quote will it lead to anything? That's where I'm less

1570
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: confident about how great this thing is to be effective,

1571
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: she said, very senior US officials will need to take

1572
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: the finding seriously and act on them. This kind of

1573
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: trust of policymakers to do the right thing has a

1574
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: history of not working out.

1575
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 4: So well. Let's see.

1576
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 1: And I believe it was Matt Miller's State Department spokes

1577
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: but it might have been Jake Sullivan or Matt Miller,

1578
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I get all these schools confused, but

1579
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: basically sort of downplayed this probe and what it might

1580
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: also mean from the podium.

1581
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 3: I have a quote here.

1582
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 2: He says the process is not intended to function as

1583
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 2: rapid response. Rather, it is designed to systematically assess civilian

1584
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: harm incidents and develop appropriate policy responses to reduce the

1585
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 2: risk of such incidents occurring in the future. I mean,

1586
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 2: the big question is like, look, I mean at a

1587
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 2: certain point, I almost just find this annoying because we

1588
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 2: reported on it months ago. Anybody with a brain can

1589
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: see that as obviously white phosphorus, not from the attack,

1590
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 2: but because we've been able to assess white phosphorus attacks

1591
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: previously in let's say Russia and in Syria with almost

1592
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 2: instantaneous results. But this has been I mean, how long

1593
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 2: has it been since White Foster attack. I remember covering.

1594
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 3: It in the early early days. It's been several months.

1595
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 2: So why is it that when Russia uses white phosphorus

1596
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 2: we can be like, ah, this is an obvious and

1597
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 2: clear use of white phosphorus munitions, where we don't even

1598
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: have technically like a ground ability or investigation or an

1599
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 2: ally there to be able to verify it. Same with

1600
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 2: the Syrians, like we can automatically say, oh, Asad used

1601
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 2: x exact chemical weapon, you know, whenever this happened. But

1602
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 2: here it's like five months later, whenever we're the ones

1603
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 2: who sold it to them, then it just disappears. Yeah,

1604
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 2: just laughable, you know, It's one of those where don't

1605
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 2: lie to our faces. And because then also what if

1606
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 2: you do conclude What if you do conclude that it

1607
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 2: was used.

1608
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 3: What are you going to do about it?

1609
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 2: Are you going to follow official US law the loss

1610
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 2: has You're not allowed to do that.

1611
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 3: You get cut off. You have a restriction.

1612
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 2: That's what literally what the State Department of the Leahylan

1613
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 2: and other things that ascribe for US military. Now the

1614
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 2: president can waive that, but then it's like, well, what

1615
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 2: are we even doing here? If we all know that

1616
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: you're probably not going to do it. It could be

1617
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 2: maybe a pretext crystal for in the future. They can

1618
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 2: cut it off whenever they want. But I mean, six

1619
01:15:58,560 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 2: months from now, is it really going to matter?

1620
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 1: I think it basically just gives you know, gouls like

1621
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: Matt Miller something to say at the POTO, Oh, we're

1622
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 1: investigating that, and then investigation can take months and months

1623
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 1: and months and never really come to a conclusion, or

1624
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: by the time there is.

1625
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 4: A conclusion, it's way too late for it to even.

1626
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: Matter, and they'll you know, tiss Israel does better in

1627
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: the future, but it'll have no real impact. Something that

1628
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: Ryan and others have been pressing the State Department people

1629
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: about has been you know, their go to justification for

1630
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: like the killing of Hint and the medics who were

1631
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: trying to rescue her, that six year old little girl

1632
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 1: that I did the monologue on. They'll you know, ask, okay,

1633
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: well what about this? What do you think about those?

1634
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: Have you talked about the Israelis about this? Isn't this

1635
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: a war crime?

1636
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 4: And oh, there's this.

1637
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: We've talked to Israelis that an investigation is ongoing. They've

1638
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,759
Speaker 1: done this for months at this point about a whole

1639
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: variety of war crimes that have been reported out and

1640
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: are clear as day, and they always just push you, oh,

1641
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: an investigation is ongoing, And so they start following up like, well,

1642
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: what about that investigation, what are the results?

1643
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 4: What are we going to hear the results? And of

1644
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 4: course it's just a dodge.

1645
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: It's just a way to get out of the moment

1646
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: and pretend like they care at all, when obviously, by

1647
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: their actions they clearly do not. The other thing that

1648
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: they've been getting pressed on quite a bit is, hey,

1649
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: your whole strategy of giving Israel total and complete support

1650
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: and then just occasionally leaking to the press that you're

1651
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: very concerned about this or that.

1652
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 4: How is that going for you?

1653
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: They had to admit the other day, in many instances

1654
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 1: it's not going that well. And I think a case

1655
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 1: in point in that is on something that is so basic.

1656
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:38,480
Speaker 1: It's insane that the supposed superpower, the United States of America,

1657
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,759
Speaker 1: cannot even accomplish pressing the Israelis to deliver a shipment

1658
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: of flower that we reportedly made clear to them was

1659
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: important to us. The Israelis are blocking that shipment because

1660
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: they say it's going to UNRA. Of course, we help

1661
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 1: them with that sigh up by buying into the completely

1662
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: evidenced free claims that they leveled against UNRA, and we

1663
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: cut their funding. That led a whole cascade of countries

1664
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 1: around the world to cut their funding. So in any case,

1665
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan getting pressed about how the Israelis are blocking

1666
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: this shipment of flower to Gaza at a time when

1667
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 1: a majority of Palestinians there are absolutely starving, and Sydney McCain,

1668
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: head of World Food Program, is saying kids are now

1669
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: literally starving to death.

1670
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,759
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to how he responds, Well, it's why.

1671
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 5: We're asking the question on the aid coming through and

1672
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 5: you're right that flower has not moved the way that

1673
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 5: we had expected it would move. And we expect that

1674
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 5: Israel will follow through on its commitment to get that

1675
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 5: flower into Gaza. But we are asking the question, how

1676
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 5: do you do something like RAFA and make sure all

1677
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 5: those innocent people not only are protected physically but can

1678
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 5: have access to aid. That is precisely the point that

1679
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,440
Speaker 5: we are pressing on quite actively.

1680
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 3: As we speak.

1681
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: That flower has not moved the way that we expected

1682
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: it to move. I also love that phrasing, like the

1683
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: flowers the flower's fault, like the flowers just not getting

1684
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 1: it together and moving where it's supposed to move. But

1685
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: think of how pathetic this is and how outrageous it is,

1686
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: even especially in the wake of the ICJ report that

1687
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: called on Israel to make sure they were improving the

1688
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: AID situation, that they were rushing more aid in and

1689
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 1: staid here they are completely blocking the shipment of flower

1690
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: that the US officials at least claimed to say that

1691
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: they care about getting in.

1692
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just reminds me of the Bill Clinton behind

1693
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 2: the scenes quote whenever Netannah who was badgering him, trying

1694
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 2: to get him on the phone, and he said, quote,

1695
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 2: who's the fucking superpower here?

1696
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 3: This was behind the scenes.

1697
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 2: So I've never expected to praise Bill Clinton, but I

1698
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 2: guess here I am.

1699
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 3: Let's put this also up on the screen.

1700
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 2: Please d three the BBC News tear sheet, because this

1701
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 2: is just one of those that we need to watch

1702
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 2: very closely. There was a major air strike yesterday in Lebanon,

1703
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 2: Lebanese government claiming ten people were killed. This was retaliatory

1704
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: after Lebanon or Hesbola launched attacks inside of Israel, which

1705
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,919
Speaker 2: it killed at least some members of the IDF. Israel's

1706
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 2: military said it was hitting quote Hesbola infrastructure in response

1707
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 2: to a deadly rocket attack on norther in Israel. Always

1708
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 2: just a reminder that as tensions and all these things

1709
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 2: ratchet up, this is probably the most strategically important place,

1710
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 2: you know, for where things could pop off. We've seen

1711
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 2: things like this happen in the past. But we also

1712
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 2: know that the Netanyahu government and the Defense Minister are

1713
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 2: chomping at the bit to be able to enter Lebanon

1714
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 2: or to mount some sort of attack, already calling it

1715
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,879
Speaker 2: the Axis of Evil, saying we can do to Lebanon

1716
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: what we.

1717
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 3: Did to Gaza. They should watch out.

1718
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 2: They've been behind the scenes talks about some sort of

1719
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: negotiated ceasefire, but I mean, this is very obvious.

1720
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 3: You know that it hasn't happened. And it's also just

1721
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 3: a consistent.

1722
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 2: Reminder that any explosion of conflict between Lebanon and Israel

1723
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 2: would be ten to fifteen times more deadly than anything

1724
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: that's going on in Gaza.

1725
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 3: Gaza is a basically asometric conflict.

1726
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 2: Hamas has nothing we know one tenth or something of

1727
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,799
Speaker 2: Hesbola's overall military strength. Hasbola is a very very strong

1728
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: military organization. I'm not saying they would win, but they

1729
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: would definitely be able to put up a fight and

1730
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 2: it would decimate the entire country.

1731
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: Haswill A leader, Hassan Sraala, has been warning Israel and

1732
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: Israeli leaders. This is in that piece that we just

1733
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 1: had up on the screen and a speech that launching

1734
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,759
Speaker 1: a war against the group would result in a million

1735
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: evacuees from northern Israel. Right now, I think there's maybe

1736
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand Israelis who have been evacuated from northern Israel.

1737
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: Quote to those who threaten us with the widening of

1738
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: the war, if you widen, we will too, he said,

1739
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: adding that those who think the resistance might be afraid

1740
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: are mistaken. Also vowed that Hezbela would only cease fire

1741
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: when the aggression stops, and there is a ceasefire in Gaza.

1742
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 4: And it is incredibly important to keep.

1743
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: This already widened war in perspective, because I actually NBC

1744
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: News did a great job putting this map together of

1745
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: the way that the conflict has spread, and when you

1746
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: see it, it really is astonishing the number of countries

1747
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: that have been pulled in at this point. I mean,

1748
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:46,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about Lebanon, you're talking about Israel, obviously Israel, Gaza,

1749
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: you're talking about Assyria, you're talking about a Rock, You're

1750
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 1: talking about Iran, You're even talking about frigging Pakistan getting pulled.

1751
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: It's just a huge regional swath of course, Yemen, the

1752
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: Red Sea, and then you have US leaders pertend like, oh,

1753
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: our goal to keep this confined to Gaza is totally

1754
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,719
Speaker 1: working out when we're bombing multiple countries over a single weekend,

1755
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: and when these strikes tit for tat strikes between Hesbela

1756
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: and Israel have been going on consistently since post October seventh,

1757
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: so we never want to lose sight of that. At

1758
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, there was some I was

1759
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: pretty skeptical, but a little bit of renewed hope that

1760
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,480
Speaker 1: potentially there may be some new ceasefire deal lasting potentially

1761
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: six weeks on the table. But it looks like Boebea's

1762
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,839
Speaker 1: backing out of those talks completely.

1763
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.

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01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Benjamin Netnyahu ordered the Israeli delegation not to

1765
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 1: return to Cairo. That's where the negotiations were ongoing for

1766
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: further negotiations for a hostage release deal with Hamas that

1767
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 1: were scheduled to take place in the Egyptian capital today.

1768
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: In light of the move, By the way, the families

1769
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: of hostages are absolutely furious. They said they intend to

1770
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: demonstrate in front of the Idea of headquarters in Tel

1771
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: Aviv in protest of quote the decision to sacrifice the

1772
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: lives of the hostages. And you know, I mean, I'm

1773
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: a broken record on this. We've talked about a thousand times.

1774
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: Babe has no incentive to end this war. He's fearful

1775
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 1: that if there is some significant length of a ceasefire

1776
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: that'll be very difficult to go back to the overwhelming

1777
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: level of aggression that they have been using in the

1778
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: Gaza Strip previously. So he does not want to make

1779
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 1: a deal. The far right parts of his coalition are

1780
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,839
Speaker 1: dead set against it and have basically threatened to completely

1781
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: blow up his government if he goes forward with any

1782
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: sort of significant deal with himas so that's why I've

1783
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: been skeptical that this would work out from the beginning.

1784
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: But you do have this counter domestic pressure of the

1785
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: families of hostages, and not just the families of hostages,

1786
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: but the majority of Israelis who want the primary goal

1787
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: of the war to be returning the hostages. And so,

1788
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, short circuiting and pulling out completely of these

1789
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: negotiated talks, any sort, you know, really short circuiting any

1790
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 1: possibility that they're going to come to a deal in

1791
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 1: the short term could be very politically difficult for him

1792
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: to sustain. Domestically, obviously, the US has made clear that

1793
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: we want them to be involved in some of the ceasefire.

1794
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 4: They clearly don't give a shit about what we have

1795
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 4: to say.

1796
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: And since the Biden administration is completely unwilling to use

1797
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: any sort of actual leverage or pressure I don't think

1798
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 1: our stance on this is it's pretty much irrelevant. Whatever

1799
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: our stands are on this is so sager. Really, the

1800
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: only hope you have for pressure is coming from the

1801
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: Israeli domestic populace.

1802
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,879
Speaker 2: I feel for them, I really do, especially the families

1803
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:31,759
Speaker 2: and all of them, because it's just so difficult because

1804
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: you have a military operation being mounted in your name,

1805
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 2: you've only had two people be rescued, and then you

1806
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 2: have active attempts at this point where the government is

1807
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 2: antithetical to the overall aims. If really when you put

1808
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 2: when you pair it like that, and you look, you know,

1809
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 2: in all that to the future, the government is really

1810
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 2: not responding to the wills of the populace. And that's

1811
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 2: one of those where that's why I do find it

1812
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 2: outrageous in many respects. Is you know, we talk about

1813
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 2: Israel as a monolith.

1814
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 3: It's not.

1815
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 2: You know, it may not necessarily align with some of

1816
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 2: the most propaalacity in people, but it's a nuanced country

1817
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 2: and they they really do want an actual ceasefire, or

1818
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: not a seasfire deal, but a hostage negotiation deal, and

1819
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 2: they probably would be willing to put up with the

1820
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: ceasefire at least for a prolonged period of time if

1821
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 2: it meant the release of all of their hostages.

1822
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 3: So they and the government do not agree on this.

1823
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 2: The government's position is a ceasefire for like maybe a

1824
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 2: portion of time before resumption of hostilities. I haven't seen

1825
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 2: enough polling though to confirm my suspicion, but basically, from

1826
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 2: what we've seen, I think a decent portion of the

1827
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 2: public would probably agree to at least a significant cease

1828
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 2: fire of several months in exchange for all of the

1829
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 2: hostages to be released.

1830
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: There was that poll and I'm going to get the

1831
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: enough numbers roughly correct, but don't quote me on the

1832
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: exact numbers here. But they asked, Israelis, is your top

1833
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,520
Speaker 1: priority for this war bringing home the hostages or eradicating Hamas?

1834
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: And a majority said the top priority should be bringing

1835
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: home the hostages. And it was somewhere in the thirties,

1836
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: like I want to say, like thirty six percent that said,

1837
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 1: you know, the goal should be eradicating humas. But the

1838
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: reality of the net Yahoo coalition is, you know, it's

1839
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: extremely far right and very tied in with the most

1840
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: fringe elements within Israeli society, and that's why they're not

1841
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: only allowing, but encouraging these psycho demonstrators to block AID

1842
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 1: from going into the strip, you know. I mean this

1843
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 1: is being done with the tacit and sometimes explicit support

1844
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: of the Israeli government.

1845
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 4: So that is the type of ideology that you're dealing

1846
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 4: with here.

1847
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 3: There you go, Crystal, what are you taking a look at?

1848
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 4: Well?

1849
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: Israeli liberal news outlet Haretz just published a piece for

1850
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: their Hebrew language audience that reaches breath taking new levels

1851
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: of dehumanization and tone deafness. Piece was highlighted and documented

1852
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 1: by a Twitter user called Gowan mac Quote. Haretz has

1853
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 1: published in Hebrew, not English, an incomprehensibly vile article in

1854
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: the style of a lifestyle cooking feature about israel soldiers

1855
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 1: finding and cooking with ingredients in the kitchens of Gosans

1856
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 1: who had to flee their homes and are now starving.

1857
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: I was also able to pull up the article and

1858
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 1: use Google Translate to verify the content is indeed as

1859
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: represented in this Twitter thread. Basically, for this feature, they

1860
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: interview several idea of soldiers about how they scrounge around

1861
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 1: in the bomb homes of gossens combine these pilfered goods

1862
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: with their own rations, and then prepare bountiful feasts that

1863
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: help them take a much needed mental break from all

1864
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 1: of that hard genocide work. It's replete with images of

1865
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,440
Speaker 1: these thieving chefs and the culinary delights that they concocted

1866
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: in the family homes of terrorized Palestinians.

1867
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 4: Just take a look at this.

1868
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: Scrumptious dish that the article labors labels brushetta a la gaza.

1869
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: I guess the scent of smoking ruins, death and ambiance

1870
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: of utter devastation really brings out the flavor, doesn't it.

1871
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 4: Guys.

1872
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 1: Here we see some war bodies sharing a meal with

1873
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 1: the caption warm meal. We understood that it is possible

1874
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: to fight and take part in campaigns and yet eat well.

1875
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: And this became the story of our unit. How heartwarming

1876
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 1: will time away from rating hospitals and terrorized children to

1877
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,879
Speaker 1: cherish a basic life necessity which you are currently denying

1878
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: to the entire Gaza population.

1879
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 4: The story of.

1880
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 1: Your unit being the elaborate meals you prepare as you

1881
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,520
Speaker 1: impose on gossens, a story of a daily search for scraps,

1882
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,799
Speaker 1: any concerns about the war crime laden context are shrugged

1883
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: off by both writer and soldiers. Aurets ask casually about

1884
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: quote the feelings of cooking and eating in Gaza family homes.

1885
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: The response at least pro Google translate quote There are

1886
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: mixed feelings, no doubt. After all, I use their tools

1887
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: in their house when they are not here. But on

1888
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: the other hand, we have to eat. In the end,

1889
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: the urge and desire to eat increases. It is important

1890
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 1: to clarify that these are abandoned houses, some of them

1891
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: destroyed or destined for demolition. And this is the way

1892
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: the idea fights in Gaza. Oh yes, we are well

1893
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: aware of how you fight in Gasa. Back in December,

1894
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal reported that a full seventy percent

1895
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 1: of Gosen homes had either been damaged or destroyed, part

1896
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 1: of the complete destruction of civilian life that has been

1897
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: one of the actual primary goals of the Israelis reponse.

1898
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: That's part of the context in which this glossy lifestyle

1899
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: feature was produced, soldiers quartering and pilfering in the very

1900
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 1: homes they forced families out of through sheer terror. The

1901
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: other context is the mass famine that these soldiers are

1902
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: helping to impose on Gozzin's as they steal the food

1903
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: from their houses. In fact, we just learned this week

1904
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 1: from the head of the World Food Program, Cindy McCain,

1905
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: that children in Gaza are now actually dying of starvation.

1906
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: Here a Senator Chris man Holland revealing this horror on

1907
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 1: the Senate floor, just before, of course, still voting to

1908
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 1: fund the war criminals.

1909
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 15: Yesterday I began to hear reports of people who have

1910
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 15: actually starved to death in Gaza. So earlier today I

1911
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 15: asked the head of the World Fold Program, former American

1912
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 15: Ambassador Cindy McCain, about these reports. I sent her a

1913
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 15: note text message asking about reports that some children have

1914
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 15: now crossed the awful threshold from being on the verge

1915
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 15: of starvation to dying of starvation. She wrote back, and

1916
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,919
Speaker 15: I quote.

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01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 3: This is true.

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01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 15: We are unable to get in enough food to keep

1919
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 15: people from the brink. Famine is imminent. I wish I

1920
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:20,480
Speaker 15: had better news end quote.

1921
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 1: Now we knew that this was coming back. In December,

1922
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: the UN reported that half of Gazen's were at risk

1923
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: of starving. The entire population was going hungry. The chief

1924
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: economists at the UN World Food Program put it this

1925
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: way to the New Yorker's Isaac Chatner. If you look

1926
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: at the total numbers of starving people right now, eighty

1927
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: percent of the people, or four out of five people

1928
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: in famine or a catastrophic type of hunger are in

1929
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 1: Gaza right now.

1930
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 4: That report, of course, came before the US led the charge.

1931
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: To defund UNRA, the primary aid organization on the ground

1932
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: in Gaza. Also came before Israeli Minister Bezaliel Smotrich decided

1933
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: to use our acceptance of their evidence free attacks on

1934
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: UNRA to block critical shipments of flower were from reaching

1935
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:04,440
Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip. And it was before the most psychotic

1936
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:07,719
Speaker 1: people in the world began blocking aid shipments from entering

1937
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,640
Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip with the tacit and at times explicit

1938
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: backing of the Israeli government, police and military. Here you

1939
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 1: can see a festive rave atmosphere with Israeli's dancing and

1940
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 1: celebrating while they endeavor to starve the neighboring Palestinian population

1941
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: to death. According to a Washington Post report on these protesters,

1942
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 1: every explosion in Gaza raises a cheer dead dead dead

1943
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: Arabs won camper shouts at a roaring volley of outgoing fire.

1944
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 1: Then she notes the presence of a reporter. Humus, she

1945
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: corrects herself. The protester allowed to continue for the same

1946
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: reason that illegal settlers allowed to violently steal Palestinian land.

1947
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: Their actions support official government policy, as you have Galant

1948
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Speaker 1: stated famously at the beginning of the siege, he announced

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Speaker 1: a complete siege of Gaza. We are fighting human animals,

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Speaker 1: and we are acting accordingly. At the pro starvation rave

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Speaker 1: protesters shake hands with Idea of soldiers and absolutely nothing

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Speaker 1: of the single police car on the scene. Per the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, these dancing pro starvation israelis really the perfect

1954
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Speaker 1: side dish to accompany the feasting of the occupying soldiers,

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Speaker 1: because in between courses of their Instagram where the Brushetta

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Speaker 1: a la Gaza Idea soldiers have done their part in

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Speaker 1: making sure Gaza starvation is here to say, here you

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Speaker 1: can see them destroying food warehouses in northern Gaza, an

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Speaker 1: action documented by an IDF soldier who proudly posted his

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Speaker 1: contributions to the famine war crime on social media. In

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Speaker 1: addition to destroying homes and other civilian structures, the IDF

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Speaker 1: has also made a point of raising gosen farmland, destroying

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Speaker 1: greenhouses and olive groves so that Gaza's already limited food

1964
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Speaker 1: production capacity is further degraded for the long term, starvation

1965
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Speaker 1: now and starvation forever. Well, why focus on all of

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Speaker 1: that ugliness when we could instead feast our eyes upon

1967
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Speaker 1: the gourmet treats these soldiers were able to scrape together.

1968
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Speaker 1: Behold their delight at stealing Gaza family provisions. Soldier Nadab says,

1969
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Speaker 1: the Gazen kitchen is rich in spices. In every house,

1970
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Speaker 1: you find a lot of mixed spices like you find

1971
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Speaker 1: in chops. There's lots of lentils, so we did a

1972
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Speaker 1: lot of cooking with lentils. In every house we were in,

1973
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Speaker 1: there were olives they had made, which we tasted. There

1974
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Speaker 1: is olive oil in every house and it helps diversify

1975
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Speaker 1: and make the food tasty. There is this spice sauce

1976
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Speaker 1: that is very good. Sometimes we come across special things.

1977
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Speaker 1: Suddenly we find garlic and we make pasta with garlic

1978
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Speaker 1: and tomato. I came across caramelasses which we added to porrige,

1979
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Speaker 1: and that was delicious, so lovely for them. Meanwhile, the

1980
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Speaker 1: Gossans who have survived the terror of bombardment and knock,

1981
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 1: but two point zero have told reporters that they have

1982
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Speaker 1: been reduced to eating grass. Now, Harats, it's not the

1983
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Speaker 1: worst Israeli news outlet. Actually, it's one of the best.

1984
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: They've done important, and they've done courageous reporting that we

1985
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Speaker 1: have oftentimes relied on that even Harats could casually publish.

1986
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Speaker 1: This appalling, repellent trash speaks to just how thoroughly Palestinians

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Speaker 1: have been dehumanized, how blinded Israeli society is by apartheid

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Speaker 1: in militarism, and how oblivious they are to the way

1989
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Speaker 1: the rest of the world views their actions with utter

1990
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Speaker 1: and complete revulsion and saga. I think it's a bit

1991
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Speaker 1: of a tell that they at least knew.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1993
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Speaker 4: All right, saga are we looking at?

1995
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Speaker 3: Well?

1996
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Speaker 2: Perhaps the most irksome thing about the debate around Ukraine

1997
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Speaker 2: funding is how completely unmoored it is from reality. Ukraine,

1998
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Speaker 2: which is one of the most corrupt countries on Earth,

1999
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Speaker 2: is suddenly the frontline of democracy. We should support Ukraine

2000
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Speaker 2: also so that we don't have to fight a future

2001
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Speaker 2: war with Russia, or we must supply Ukraine now because

2002
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 2: they're right on the cusp of victory. Now. I've done

2003
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 2: multiple monologues about those first two propositions and why they're ridiculous.

2004
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Speaker 2: But let's really focus on the final part here. What

2005
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 2: exact difference would another sixty six billion dollars to Ukraine

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Speaker 2: actually make on the ground. Let's focus on some major

2007
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 2: developments in the Ukrainian military to see who exactly that

2008
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 2: we are supplying. Just days before the Senate passed the

2009
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 2: Ukraine aid bill, President Zelenski fired the overwhelmingly popular head

2010
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Speaker 2: of the Ukrainian military Forces, General Valerie Zaluni. The critical

2011
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:10,759
Speaker 2: difference between the two was Zeluni's crime of telling the truth.

2012
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 2: The split between the two happened after he was too

2013
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 2: frank in a recent Economist interview where he admitted that

2014
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 2: the war was a stalemate between Ukraine and Russia and

2015
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 2: that absence some major change in conditions on the ground,

2016
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 2: very little would change in the future. For this crime,

2017
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 2: Zelenski not only fired him and eliminated a man with

2018
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 2: a ninety two percent approval rating in the country who

2019
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 2: could plausibly have challenged him for leadership in the future

2020
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 2: if things went south. In his place, he has now

2021
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 2: put in a new top general named Alexander Sirski. Sirski's

2022
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 2: pedigree in Ukraine is this. He led a long time

2023
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 2: ago to successful counter offensive in the early days of

2024
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 2: the Ukraine War, but since has now earned a nickname

2025
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 2: inside the country by the armed forces. The people he

2026
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 2: now commands. That nickname is the Butcher. He has that

2027
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 2: nickname because he is the one responsible for the idiotic

2028
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 2: and murderous last stand in the city of Bachmat earlier

2029
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Speaker 2: last year. Sirski, who has educated at the military Academy

2030
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Speaker 2: in Moscow, has embraced fully Soviet style war of attrition

2031
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Speaker 2: tactics in a war which he put on full display

2032
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Speaker 2: in the Bachwent battle. The problem is that he forgot

2033
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Speaker 2: he does not have the Soviet industrial might at his back,

2034
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Speaker 2: and he wasted tens of billions of dollars of US weapons, ammunition,

2035
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Speaker 2: and perhaps most importantly, thousands of Ukrainian professional soldiers' lives,

2036
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Speaker 2: only to end up losing the entire battle. The so

2037
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Speaker 2: called Butcher shows us no signs that he's changing his tactics,

2038
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Speaker 2: which means this an extra sixty six billion to Ukraine

2039
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 2: is a check to this man to continue throwing Ukrainian

2040
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 2: lives into a meat grinder with no discernible goal. For

2041
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 2: a preview of what we could be funding if any

2042
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Speaker 2: dollars continue to flow into this country, look at what

2043
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Speaker 2: Sirski is doing right now. Ukraine is throwing its best

2044
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Speaker 2: troops into the city of Atvika in the hopes of

2045
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Speaker 2: staving off a so far successful Russian offensive. However, analysts

2046
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Speaker 2: are noting that loss has sustained so far by the

2047
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian forces in the battle.

2048
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Speaker 3: Indicate they are being billeted all together.

2049
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:08,799
Speaker 2: The Ukrainians in barracks very tightly, despite frequently being targeted

2050
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Speaker 2: successfully by Russian forces. The surmised reason is dark they

2051
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 2: all have to be kept together to stop them from

2052
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,759
Speaker 2: running away. In effect, they are prisoners of their state,

2053
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 2: being forced to defend the city in old school tactics,

2054
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Speaker 2: with no choice to.

2055
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Speaker 3: Flee of their own.

2056
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Speaker 2: Consider that at this point most of the able bodied

2057
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Speaker 2: patriotic men in Ukraine are either dead or maimed for life.

2058
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Speaker 2: The average age inside the Ukrainian military at this point

2059
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Speaker 2: is somewhere between forty and fifty years old.

2060
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Speaker 3: Consider that average means that there are many who are

2061
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Speaker 3: much older than that.

2062
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Speaker 2: Furthermore, multiple reports now indicate that Ukraine is resorting to

2063
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Speaker 2: literally kidnapping men off the street previously exempt from military

2064
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Speaker 2: forces and joining them to forcing them to join up.

2065
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Speaker 2: More So, it is clear the Ukrainian enthusiasm to fight

2066
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 2: is waning amongst the surviving able bodied men.

2067
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Speaker 3: In estimated six hundred.

2068
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Speaker 2: And fifty many thousand men of conscription age have fled

2069
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Speaker 2: the country illegally. I can personally attest through my own

2070
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 2: recent travels in Hungary and Austria. The streets are crawling

2071
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 2: with Ukrainians and it is an open secret that rich

2072
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 2: Ukrainian men have been living outside the country now in

2073
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Speaker 2: luxury for two years straight. They have no intention to

2074
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Speaker 2: go back and fight. What brings us to a final point,

2075
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 2: Ukraine does not have a major weapons and ammunition problem.

2076
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 2: It has a man power problem. Every dollar and bullet

2077
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 2: shipped East is going to prolong a conflict with the

2078
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 2: most predictable end of all time. The only question how

2079
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:36,719
Speaker 2: much more bloodshed and how many more poor and mentally

2080
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,799
Speaker 2: disabled people will be caught in the crossfire. In the meantime,

2081
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 2: the humanitarian thing to do is to stop military aid

2082
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 2: and pressure both sides to a negotiated solution. President Putin

2083
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 2: of Russia recently told Tucker Carlson that if aid does

2084
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 2: stop flowing to Ukraine, he would consider a peace deal

2085
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:51,839
Speaker 2: with the United States.

2086
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 3: Maybe he's lying. There's only one way to find out, though.

2087
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:57,520
Speaker 2: Unfortunately this was immediately shot down by the Biden administration,

2088
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 2: who seemed to believe that there is some rosy alternative

2089
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 2: ahead where the grim truth is now clear for us

2090
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 2: all to see. Ukraine needs to accept their victory is

2091
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:09,720
Speaker 2: being able to survive with intact territory at all. The

2092
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 2: sooner that we relieve them of their delusions of grandeur,

2093
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 2: the sooner that we can restore peace not only to

2094
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:18,799
Speaker 2: the world, but to save untold numbers of Ukrainian lives.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Christal, it's stunning, like the Butcher.

2096
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:24,040
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2097
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