Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of
Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where
Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes
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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the place as we explore.
Speaker 1: So there's been some emails floating around. This is the
Speaker 1: Bear Grease Render podcast. The Bear Grease Render, I've heard
Speaker 1: it is where we gather up a group of people
Speaker 1: and I'm going to introduce some esteemed esteemed guests in
Speaker 1: just a minute. But I feel like this is pertinent
Speaker 1: right now. Is there's been some emails floating around from
Speaker 1: the powers that be.
Speaker 2: Mean spirited emails or.
Speaker 1: Well no, just business emails from meat eater. Okay, of
Speaker 1: the render was never videoed. None of this was ever videoed.
Speaker 1: But we've been born into a time where things rapidly moved,
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden we needed video and which
Speaker 1: is great. So we film here in my office. This
Speaker 1: is the global headquarters. At one time is the global
Speaker 1: headquarters of Bear Honey magazine. Now it's the global headquarters
Speaker 1: of Bear Grease also been called meat Eater South. And
Speaker 1: there's been a couple of little clues popping around in
Speaker 1: different places in my life about this office and the
Speaker 1: way it looked. The first clue was there was an
Speaker 1: article that was written about me in Farm Farm Bureau
Speaker 1: magazine and insurance companies like magazine, and this guy came
Speaker 1: here and interviewed me and we had just a great time.
Speaker 1: I loved the guy. The first paragraph of his introduction
Speaker 1: to me is he basically.
Speaker 3: Says in three different ways, he says.
Speaker 1: I'm standing in Clay Newcombe's cluttered office, which is like
Speaker 1: the man's mind. You know. I think he was trying
Speaker 1: to pay me a compliment, but I.
Speaker 2: Was just like, sounds a little backhanded.
Speaker 1: I was like cluttered, and I was like, this office
Speaker 1: looks exactly the way I want it to. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: getting to what you now miss because the office has
Speaker 1: been a little decluttered. Well, it's not long after that
Speaker 1: article came out. Not long after that article came out,
Speaker 1: the powers that me at Meat Eater may not have
Speaker 1: said the office looks a little cluttered, to which in
Speaker 1: my heart I replied, the office looks exactly the way
Speaker 1: Clay wants it to.
Speaker 2: I believe the words that I uttered for you were
Speaker 2: that Clay like has the office exactly?
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: And it was beautiful, Pablo, it was perfect. It was
Speaker 1: like a museum. And here's some of the things that
Speaker 1: we cleaned up like that museum. Yeah, and you'll no
Speaker 1: longer get to see this anymore.
Speaker 3: Like if your hoard or great grandma had a museum.
Speaker 1: This this deer horn was once on display right up there, yep. Okay.
Speaker 1: And there was a there was an episode that we
Speaker 1: did a few a few episodes back called The bird Hunter,
Speaker 1: and it was the story of Lew and Nukem. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the story, I told about the
Speaker 1: last hunt that me and Lewin Nukem, my grandfather went
Speaker 1: on together, and I picked up this shed horn while
Speaker 1: we were hunting, and I showed it to him and
Speaker 1: I just wrote on it that you know. Soon after
Speaker 1: that day, I wrote Clam Paps Nukem Bird Hunt two
Speaker 1: thousand and two. I didn't know that would be the
Speaker 1: last time I'd hunt with him, but it was. So
Speaker 1: that's what you're missing. You missed it, Pablo, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: one thing you'd miss me. The other thing that you'd
Speaker 1: miss was. At one time I had my collection of
Speaker 1: baculums right up there in the corner. This is not
Speaker 1: this is not all the vaculums that I've collected, but
Speaker 1: this is a lot of them that there are raccoon vaculums.
Speaker 1: And I have a raccoon vaculum that ought to be
Speaker 1: I have a raccoon. I have a raccoon vaculum that
Speaker 1: ought to be in the Smithsonian. Look at that it
Speaker 1: was broken and rehealed.
Speaker 4: Do you see that finds a way? See?
Speaker 1: Look, that's the way a normal raccoon vaculum looks. That
Speaker 1: one has been broken and healed like a collar bone
Speaker 1: that wasn't set right.
Speaker 4: And a baculum is a baculum. You have to look
Speaker 4: that one up.
Speaker 1: Yeah what it is? But it's a bone. And these
Speaker 1: are these are black bears. No, yeah, these are black
Speaker 1: bear bones. Two of these came from Roy Clark and
Speaker 1: East Tennessee. The first time I hunted with Roy Clark,
Speaker 1: one of the Bear Greece Hall of Famers plot man
Speaker 1: in East Tennessee. We killed two boars in two days,
Speaker 1: and right before I left, he had been whittling on
Speaker 1: two vaculums and he gave them to me. This one
Speaker 1: came out of the Boone and Crockett bear that I killed.
Speaker 1: There's a correlation between baculum size and skull size, i'd say,
Speaker 1: But that's what that's what they're missing, the people because
Speaker 1: I had to declutter my office.
Speaker 4: What is clutter to begin with? Clutter? No, it doesn't
Speaker 4: even exist exactly.
Speaker 1: And then and then the other thing that you would
Speaker 1: miss is my stone point collection, which I'm very proud of.
Speaker 1: Most of these stone points I found in my yard.
Speaker 1: And turns out Pablo, who I'm going to introduce, is
Speaker 1: a big stone point man.
Speaker 5: Oh man, it's awful. Yeah, once you get into it,
Speaker 5: it's over with. Yeah, but those are beautiful. And when
Speaker 5: he's in the display.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would have seen them. I wouldn't have had
Speaker 1: to dug them out. And they're just all look how
Speaker 1: sad they look in that zip Like, No, can you
Speaker 1: tell that that is a celebration of life? No? No,
Speaker 1: because because you know there's a lot of great stuff
Speaker 1: in there. I mean, I can show you all the
Speaker 1: points right now.
Speaker 2: You look like a kid with a bag of marbles
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of these I found when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: This one right here, I have written on it blue bucket,
Speaker 1: Howard County. Uh, it's okay, there's there's nothing there to see,
Speaker 1: y'all can all go there. I picked that up when
Speaker 1: I was a junior in high school after I had
Speaker 1: shot my a spike buck with my bow. Was track
Speaker 1: it was blood trailing the deer and picked up it's
Speaker 1: it's a broken fragment. And then this one, uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's come off. But I found this stone point
Speaker 1: when I was trailing a hog when I was a
Speaker 1: junior in high school. I dug a big hole in
Speaker 1: the ground, poured some corn in the ground, skipped class, went,
Speaker 1: no trail cameras or anything. But it was like a
Speaker 1: couple of It was a couple of days after I
Speaker 1: had poured corn in this hole and I had I
Speaker 1: had put it down in like that. It was like
Speaker 1: a big river bottom and there was a floodplain where
Speaker 1: the where the topography just dropped off and so basically
Speaker 1: it's flat and then there's like a ten foot drop
Speaker 1: and then it was flat again. I put the hole
Speaker 1: like right over the lip down in the second flat part, okay,
Speaker 1: and then I scratched out the leaves for about thirty
Speaker 1: yards back. I skipped school, slipped in there, walked on
Speaker 1: my leafless path, and popped up over the rise and
Speaker 1: what would you guess happened? There was a giant hog
Speaker 1: with his head in that hole. And there's Clay with
Speaker 1: his bow seventeen years old Matthew's high Country ex caliber
Speaker 1: sixty five pounds. He told me I could go. I
Speaker 1: got permission.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he told me I could skip school. And I
Speaker 1: draw back and shoot that sucker right in the shoulder
Speaker 1: and he literally shrugs it off. The arrow falls out
Speaker 1: onto the ground, and the hog runs off while I'm
Speaker 1: I do my due diligence to try to find the hog,
Speaker 1: and I mean he was not to be found, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: And that I found that stone point, all these memories lost.
Speaker 2: Yep, all these memories regret resigned to a ziplock bag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to the bear gray Surrender.
Speaker 3: Though I have, is that the first time you've you've
Speaker 3: ever been told that you are somewhat cluttered?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 3: Think think think smart.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it's the first time.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know what Gandalf said on
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings I hate to quote Lord of
Speaker 1: the Rings, but it's a great movie. When he said
Speaker 1: a wizard is never late. He arrives exactly when he
Speaker 1: wants to.
Speaker 3: I think that there's been a lot of conversations in
Speaker 3: the Lucome Home about Clay's propensity towards clutter, and I
Speaker 3: have always received the same message, this looks exactly like
Speaker 3: I want it to look. You know this, this has
Speaker 3: been a topic of conversation.
Speaker 2: It's like my wife going into my shop.
Speaker 3: It well, listen, there's actually I've recently read some interesting,
Speaker 3: interesting studies. I don't have much value to this podcast,
Speaker 3: but I think it's interesting. I think it could help
Speaker 3: you have a better strong marriages here.
Speaker 2: If we were less cluttered, well.
Speaker 3: It might help. You know. They actually did cortisol tests,
Speaker 3: like the stress formone they assessed us, and they found
Speaker 3: that clutter in a home actually does produce more stress
Speaker 3: on average in women than men.
Speaker 2: What if we have designated spots where we can just
Speaker 2: keep our clutter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got no problem. It was fun, though, to
Speaker 3: watch Clay read that article, because you know, it wasn't
Speaker 3: a total surprise to me that someone wrote that. And
Speaker 3: I think your office is beautiful, a great museum. I
Speaker 3: love to take people in it. But when Clay read
Speaker 3: it out loud, I could I could see his face
Speaker 3: just kind of drop and he's like what and then
Speaker 3: he read because it wasn't one time it was in
Speaker 3: the first three sentence, mentioned a couple times different ways
Speaker 3: of saying it was cluttered or kind of haphazardly put together,
Speaker 3: and Clay was just astonished.
Speaker 1: It was a great article the first time it ever
Speaker 1: entered my mind. But Michael Lewis says that the reason
Speaker 1: great writers are great is because they don't care about
Speaker 1: the reputation of the person they're writing about. Like, if
Speaker 1: you wrote an article about yourself, Pablo, you would kind
Speaker 1: of you You probably wouldn't do anything detrimental, but it
Speaker 1: also wouldn't be as interesting to the reader potentially. But
Speaker 1: if the guy that wrote the article about me wrote
Speaker 1: an article about you, he might he would like, tell
Speaker 1: us the real stuff that we really want to know.
Speaker 1: That might be you know, And Michael Lewis says that's
Speaker 1: the key to writing. It's like he's like, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna interview, but I don't care about your reputation.
Speaker 4: He's pretty risky.
Speaker 1: So Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. We have a
Speaker 1: very esteemed guest from the state of Alabama.
Speaker 4: Roll Tide.
Speaker 1: We've got Pablo Escaval Alabama, and you guys would know
Speaker 1: Pablo from the last Bear Grease podcast. And uh man,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming to Arkansas.
Speaker 5: Man, no, man, it's my pleasure's an honor to be
Speaker 5: here with y'all. So I really appreciate this opportunity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1: So we were walking down the road and our neighbor,
Speaker 1: me and Pablo walked down the road to move the mules.
Speaker 1: I got the mules grazing out on some leads and
Speaker 1: we met my neighbor who were in.
Speaker 4: Like thirty seconds thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: Of meeting him, greeted him warmly and in the way
Speaker 1: we do here. But then she was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: see you're an Alabama fan.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, yeah, because I just politely reply. He happens.
Speaker 1: He said, he became an Alabama fan in the Nick
Speaker 1: saban era and got used to winning national time and
Speaker 1: then and then now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because here's the thing. When I came in, my
Speaker 5: stepdad was like, you got to pick up a.
Speaker 4: Team Alabama at Alabama.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like Alabama or r which when you're picking,
Speaker 5: and I was like, well, let me let me watch
Speaker 5: him playing. Within the first season, Alabama is mauling everybody.
Speaker 4: On the SEC winning and I was like, it's no brainer,
Speaker 4: I said, roll time.
Speaker 5: And of course, you know, I fell in love with him,
Speaker 5: you know, like like every Alabamia does, and you have
Speaker 5: Nick Saban rather so we're just winning championships left and right,
Speaker 5: and suddenly he's over and I realized, how it spoll
Speaker 5: I've been for the past wall ten.
Speaker 2: Years, twelve years, how you feel like the rest.
Speaker 4: Of us is?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And now I'm like, oh man, this is this
Speaker 5: is what Auburn fans feels like.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, just now, how long is Alabama
Speaker 1: not been like.
Speaker 4: Just like two years? Last two years?
Speaker 1: Have you been that good?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I remember we lost a championship against LSU again some
Speaker 5: up north that I can't even remember. And then the
Speaker 5: past few years it's been kind of like a bone
Speaker 5: dry okay, you know.
Speaker 1: And always always thought it's interesting and maybe probably some
Speaker 1: of the states with smaller populations would understand this, but
Speaker 1: like in Arkansas, we have one high level Division one school.
Speaker 1: So whether you're in the southeast corner of Arkansas, the northwest,
Speaker 1: anywhere you go, there's this unifying factor of the your
Speaker 1: Razorback fan. Like, without question, even though there's a lot
Speaker 1: of colleges here, there's smaller Division two and even lower
Speaker 1: level Division one colleges here, but they those guys are
Speaker 1: Razorback fans. I mean, you know, like like we're all
Speaker 1: Razorback fans. Go to Alabama, which Alabama has a lot
Speaker 1: more people than we have.
Speaker 4: How they do it's like five millions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got about three.
Speaker 4: Okay, so just a little bit more, but it's still.
Speaker 1: But you got to pick a team when you show up,
Speaker 1: when you get your card. In Alabama, they're like pick
Speaker 1: a team pretty much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to pick a team. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's like so old, he cheerful, and I don't know
Speaker 5: and now, yeah, I'm die hard with Alabama.
Speaker 4: That's it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You can't, No, I can't be a fair weather for Yeah,
Speaker 3: I ain't doing it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, do you do you know the roll Tide
Speaker 1: Willie guy? Have you ever heard that? Okay, he he's
Speaker 1: on social media. It's it's called Role Tide Willie and he's, uh,
Speaker 1: he's an Alabama fan and he's a he's a he's
Speaker 1: Willie's probably like late fifties, sixty maybe, And the story
Speaker 1: is like a Cinderella story of social media influence. And
Speaker 1: I was sucked in from the beginning. And there's a
Speaker 1: few there's a few qualms that I have a lot
Speaker 1: of alcohol, which I just you know, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not into as much alcohol as they promote on right,
Speaker 1: I'll just say that at the beginning. But basically, there
Speaker 1: was this guy that videoed Willie, who was just a
Speaker 1: guy in Alabama, barefoot, sitting in the front of this
Speaker 1: old Alabama gas station. And and this guy pulls up
Speaker 1: and videos Willy, who's in like cut off shorts, barefoot.
Speaker 3: And I think they knew each other.
Speaker 1: They knew each other, but I don't think there was
Speaker 1: a plan. Yeah, they knew each other, but I don't
Speaker 1: think there was a plan for them to be like
Speaker 1: become well known.
Speaker 3: No, Willy was just a big fan and he he's just.
Speaker 1: This guy and rural Alabama. And and Chad goes, hey, Willy,
Speaker 1: how about that game tomorrow? And Willy just goes, oh, Alabama,
Speaker 1: we don't care about nothing but the tide roll tide.
Speaker 1: And he starts stopping around and yelling and the video
Speaker 1: goes viral, and long story short, like three years later,
Speaker 1: they have a pretty big social media presence, and it's
Speaker 1: pretty it's pretty funny most of the time, you know,
Speaker 1: from Rednecks and Little Little Yeah. Yeah. I like those guys.
Speaker 4: I do, but just gonna I'd have Willie on Bear Grease.
Speaker 1: If we could get him up here. So I got
Speaker 1: to give credit where credit is due. I was listening
Speaker 1: to the Southern Outdoorsman podcast with Andrew and Jacob and
Speaker 1: it was back a couple of months ago, and I
Speaker 1: just clicked on the episode that was up and it
Speaker 1: had your name in the title, which you know, I didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't register that that would be significant. Just I
Speaker 1: remember seeing Pablo, which that's not a name you often
Speaker 1: see in honey here in this country, and uh. And
Speaker 1: I started listening to it, and pretty quickly that Pablo
Speaker 1: starts telling his story and I was just like, this
Speaker 1: guy's hilarious. And and you described it to me today,
Speaker 1: because everybody would have pretty much heard the stories that
Speaker 1: you told on that podcast, they pretty much heard on
Speaker 1: barg Grease, just kind of like your life story. You
Speaker 1: started by saying I was born in Costa Rica and
Speaker 1: we you know, did all this stuff with sling shots
Speaker 1: and shooting birds and you started telling your story and
Speaker 1: then you know, anyway, I just was like, we got
Speaker 1: to get the sky on Burgrease.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 5: The opportunity with Andrew and Jacob, even though we live
Speaker 5: like within a couple. I did most and now we're
Speaker 5: in twenty minutes.
Speaker 4: They're like, we got to do a podcast.
Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, man, it took like two
Speaker 5: three years, you know, timing wise, and that they we
Speaker 5: did it, and uh, we've done it. That day Jacob
Speaker 5: gaves me. He gave me a hat from Southern Endorsement.
Speaker 5: It's an orange hat. I was going haunting next day.
Speaker 5: He said, keep it up with you because that's the
Speaker 5: lucky hat. Well, I kind of like superstitious with this hat.
Speaker 4: My wife bought.
Speaker 5: Me an orange hat about twelve years ago on Walmart.
Speaker 5: It's the same hat is destroyed, but that's that's my
Speaker 5: lucky hat. That's the one that I wear. So I
Speaker 5: put the other one inside of my pack.
Speaker 4: I go hunting. Next morning.
Speaker 5: I killed the biggest bug that ever killed in Alabama,
Speaker 5: has six twenty in the morning.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't wear a hat.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, okay, and wearing my lucky hat with the
Speaker 5: other lucky hat and yeah, and I text him and
Speaker 5: I was like bug down.
Speaker 4: They're like no way. And I said, I for the
Speaker 4: God and I send them a pictures. They're like no way.
Speaker 4: You know. So it was it was pretty cool. It was.
Speaker 5: It was a pretty good kind of like experience back
Speaker 5: to back. So and here we are and here we are.
Speaker 5: And actually before I forget, you just mentioned it a
Speaker 5: oh that's mightiest look at that. That's the minded presentation. Okay,
Speaker 5: So this is this is a slingshot frame made out
Speaker 5: of a coffee plant.
Speaker 1: Right, coffee plant.
Speaker 5: Yes, I did this thing when I was like sixteen
Speaker 5: or seventeen years old.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: The tape is the one that it wasn't there when
Speaker 5: I could. So that tape has been there for like
Speaker 5: nineteen or twenty years. And man, you feel how light
Speaker 5: it is? Yeah, now try to squeeze that.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid of breaking n A one.
Speaker 5: It's semi flexible, but yet s thirty sturdy. That's what
Speaker 5: coffee it is for, you know.
Speaker 1: So guys that are making sling shots where there's coffee plants.
Speaker 1: They know this is a good good plant. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: good wood, Yeah it is.
Speaker 5: It's very solid, very light, very solid, jet flexible enough
Speaker 5: nice for it.
Speaker 1: So what would you put on the So if you
Speaker 1: haven't listened to the episode Pablo, he he made his
Speaker 1: I was going to say, make his living. That metaphorical.
Speaker 1: They were sling shot masters. You said that. You said
Speaker 1: that guys could like shoot like forty fifty yards.
Speaker 5: And he'd an aluminum can with rocks that. Now I
Speaker 5: was in one of them, but I have friends that
Speaker 5: they were unrealistically good. It's just pure talent, like seriously
Speaker 5: pure talent. I was good, but but those guys were
Speaker 5: like beast.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: When you told me that story, it made me think about, Uh,
Speaker 1: I do instinctive shooting and archery, and me and my
Speaker 1: son Bear are fixing the go to Alaska and we're
Speaker 1: using these primitive self bows that he made himself, and
Speaker 1: you're you're shooting them instinctively, you know, and it's and
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to be accurate. But I would imagine
Speaker 1: if ever since we were born, if that's the only
Speaker 1: thing that we could harvest meet with, and we'd shot
Speaker 1: bows our whole life are whole life, and there was
Speaker 1: that much at stake, we would be in a whole
Speaker 1: different category of archers. I mean, I just think about
Speaker 1: like you guys, you told me, you know, you didn't
Speaker 1: have guns, you couldn't even shoot bb guns and all
Speaker 1: this stuff in Costa Rica, and I mean these guys
Speaker 1: were just I mean.
Speaker 4: It pretty much every day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you keep a bag of rugs like the
Speaker 5: ones that you wanted. This is gonna sound crazy, but
Speaker 5: not all rugs are equal, right, Like I'm speaking of
Speaker 5: maybe like in a molecular level, some of them are
Speaker 5: denser than others. So the ones like this, the smallest one,
Speaker 5: the most round in heavior, those were the ones that
Speaker 5: you wanted.
Speaker 4: Like you will just walk the creeks picking picking picks
Speaker 4: with cherry, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: And then man, you get very good consistency with them,
Speaker 5: you know. So I mean you can throw anyone, it's
Speaker 5: not gonna fly the same way.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: That kind of makes sense the story in the Bible
Speaker 1: of David killing Goliath, and you know, there's like this
Speaker 1: spiritual component to it, but I've always thought about it
Speaker 1: from a natural sense as well. Is that David the
Speaker 1: shepherd boy now he was using a sling not necessarily
Speaker 1: a sling shot.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like yeah, there was no no wood. But
Speaker 1: he had just like incredible confidence in his ability to
Speaker 1: just hit something about that big you know head. Yeh,
Speaker 1: he knew what he was like.
Speaker 2: You guys said, he went and picked his stone.
Speaker 1: That's what made me think of it. That's why he
Speaker 1: said he picked his stone. So he he you got yeah.
Speaker 5: Because here's here's this story with this one. I wanted
Speaker 5: to say. I was sixteen or seventeen, My little brother
Speaker 5: and my mom were in Costa Rica or about to
Speaker 5: depart back to the States, and it was for Christmas.
Speaker 5: I didn't have anything for my little brother, so I said,
Speaker 5: I know, I'm going to make him a sling shot.
Speaker 5: So I went and him picked this one, which you know,
Speaker 5: this is the base of the coffee plant. Then this
Speaker 5: is gonna split back again. She's just gonna keep splitting
Speaker 5: him to list like a like a bush. So it
Speaker 5: was a younger plant because because they can get massive. Anyways,
Speaker 5: pick this one up and I was like, look, dude,
Speaker 5: what I got you? He was like what, Like what
Speaker 5: is that? And my heart was broken. I was like, man,
Speaker 5: that's a perfect sling shot. Anyways, I was talking to
Speaker 5: him one of these days and he's like, oh, man,
Speaker 5: let me show you something that I got. Now, you
Speaker 5: got to keep the mind.
Speaker 4: He's twenty three now, and he goes and open a
Speaker 4: couple of cabinets and pull some stuff that I gave
Speaker 4: him when he was a child, like a letter, you know,
Speaker 4: when we were apart and I used to write him letters.
Speaker 4: We're like, man, you gotta stay strong and this and that.
Speaker 4: And I was like, man, that's so cool.
Speaker 5: This letters dating back to like seven o six, A
Speaker 5: big brother riding to a little brother.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: And then he's like, oh, what I got too? And
Speaker 5: he pulled this out. I don't forgot about it.
Speaker 2: Oh that one?
Speaker 1: Yes, So you thought he didn't care anything about it.
Speaker 5: No, I didn't even know where it was because I forgot.
Speaker 5: Like I said, this thing is like twenty years old.
Speaker 4: And I say, Indian giver, you know, yeah, And.
Speaker 5: I said no, I'm keeping it. He was mad and
Speaker 5: he's like, no, I'm gonna call mom, And I said
Speaker 5: color you know. So Mom came, you know, and she's
Speaker 5: taking everybody's point of view and I was like, Mom,
Speaker 5: I cut it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I guess it's like serious, this isn't a joke.
Speaker 1: Like he was really upset.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was too, because I was like, how
Speaker 5: come that's that's been inside of that cabinet instead of
Speaker 5: being on display, you know.
Speaker 4: So my mom was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 4: You hear that, folks.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to audio, that's all the stone points
Speaker 1: that you're not seeing anything.
Speaker 5: There's there's no such a thing as cluttering, you know,
Speaker 5: it's always display memories. Anyways, my mom is like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, they're going to have to settle it. And
Speaker 5: I said, let's flip a coin. And I said, let's
Speaker 5: flip a coin and if I if you flip heads,
Speaker 5: I win. If I flip tails, I win. And he
Speaker 5: went for it. He wasn't paying attention, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 1: Oh you said both ways you win?
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. He's like okay, and just finding this
Speaker 2: out now.
Speaker 5: He knew right away, and my mom was like, you
Speaker 5: should have don't pay attention.
Speaker 4: Went yeah. Mom was like she was like, I'm not
Speaker 4: getting in between this, you know.
Speaker 5: And he came home with me and I was and
Speaker 5: he's on display on my yeah, just laying right there.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So crazy. I want to remove the tape.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, I just don't you know,
Speaker 5: like I said, it's been here for so long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: It looks it looks like you put it on there yesterday.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And man, I mean if you peel you can
Speaker 4: see Luke you see how easy Yeah, the pill, how
Speaker 4: easy she goes. Yeah, it's just toasted, you know. So
Speaker 4: don't do it now, Pablo.
Speaker 1: In Costa Rica, you said you you've worked on a
Speaker 1: coffee farm, well for a little while.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was usually like summertime, high school, in school
Speaker 5: and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: You go to the coffee hills and work up there.
Speaker 1: What do you do you picking coffee?
Speaker 4: Yes, picking coffee green? They're green being ed, no red.
Speaker 5: You want the reddish and kind of like no more
Speaker 5: than fifty percent green on the on the on the bean.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you can.
Speaker 1: Did you have a sense of where that coffee was
Speaker 1: going that you were picking in Costa Rica?
Speaker 5: No, I mean you just get it and you imagine
Speaker 5: that this is kind of like for national consumption, if
Speaker 5: we can say like that, but some of that coffee
Speaker 5: gets exported.
Speaker 1: It's coffee big in Costa Rica.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely, you know, and and especially with the
Speaker 5: altitudes and all that stuff, you get these really rich.
Speaker 4: Bold like Arabic flavors. Uh, it's it's really good. Why Arabic?
Speaker 4: Why arab I guess the seeds that.
Speaker 1: They came from.
Speaker 4: Maybe at least.
Speaker 5: I have no idea if he has to deal with
Speaker 5: without location kind of thing or with a screen.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've got a little I know you're not a
Speaker 1: coffee guy, but I'm gonna bring this up because I've
Speaker 1: just never around people that have been around coffee. So
Speaker 1: you're the closest person to receive this.
Speaker 4: No, I drink anywhere.
Speaker 1: That they make coffee. They always make it sound like
Speaker 1: it's something special, just like a vineyard. Like if you
Speaker 1: ever hear somebody talk about a vineyard, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the nicest vineyard in Italy, and it scales
Speaker 1: though it comes down to like, this is the nicest
Speaker 1: vineyard in this county, and then it scales too, this
Speaker 1: is the nicest vineyard in this neighborhood. I mean, like
Speaker 1: people kind of carry a chip on their shoulder. I
Speaker 1: feel like regions with coffee do the same thing. You see, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you feel me. It's always the best of something.
Speaker 4: I want to say.
Speaker 5: I'm almost sure Brazil is the number one in quality
Speaker 5: I mean quantity worldwide.
Speaker 4: Okay, but I want.
Speaker 5: To sit I'm almost positive the Costa Rica is the
Speaker 5: number one in quality. Really, Yes, I want to say that,
Speaker 5: like a very expensive coffee. Oh wow, Like we can
Speaker 5: double check this with Google.
Speaker 1: Or you're confirming exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yes, I believe.
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody in fact check it the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. I'm going to be like, Costa Rica
Speaker 1: is the best coffee in the world. My friend Pablo
Speaker 1: told me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But at the end of the day, it's all
Speaker 5: about opinion, because I could say it. The Razorbacks are
Speaker 5: the best college team in the world, you know, and
Speaker 5: even though.
Speaker 2: They're not, I don't think that can be quantified.
Speaker 4: Wikipedia just kidding.
Speaker 1: Hey, so you told us about Costa Rica to some
Speaker 1: degree in the podcast, but not not a lot. Like,
Speaker 1: so you lived in Costa Rica till you're twenty one
Speaker 1: years old?
Speaker 4: Yes, describe like the the.
Speaker 1: Topography, the vegetation of Costa Rica, Like how big is
Speaker 1: Costa Rica?
Speaker 5: Costa Rica is I want to say this. I want
Speaker 5: to say, we have to check this fact again. But
Speaker 5: I want to say it's fifty one thousand square kilometers, Okay,
Speaker 5: fifty one thousand or fifty two thousand square kilometers.
Speaker 1: How long does it take you to drive across the island.
Speaker 5: Well, it's not an island. Is a country, Like it's
Speaker 5: dead on the middle of the continent. So Puerto Rico
Speaker 5: is an island. Costa Rica is not an island.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So if you're traveling across the country, if it
Speaker 5: was a straight shot, probably like three hours.
Speaker 2: Fifty one thousand square kilometers, so nineteen thousand square miles.
Speaker 2: So it's tiny.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's like nineteen thousand.
Speaker 5: Alabama's like two and a half times bigger than Costa
Speaker 5: Rica and they have the same populations, so about five
Speaker 5: six million. So that goes to show you there's more
Speaker 5: people per square mile than what you have here, right,
Speaker 5: because yet you have these vast areas of no population
Speaker 5: and that's due to the terrains.
Speaker 4: Right. So you're going, like I said, if it was
Speaker 4: a straight shot.
Speaker 5: But three hours on a straight line, but you're going
Speaker 5: through all these different habitats with altitudes, increases, decreases, valleys,
Speaker 5: rivers and all that stuff that the travel some areas
Speaker 5: you're doing.
Speaker 2: Like it's mountains and they have you have a volcano. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's like seven volcanoes, like active volcano.
Speaker 4: It's like okay, so you're dropping.
Speaker 5: You're gonna go from like dry from like dry Arizona
Speaker 5: looking like forest, you know, to the rainforest, back down
Speaker 5: to maybe Louisiana mugginess looking like swamps, to the Caribbean
Speaker 5: side and back down to the jungle on the south
Speaker 5: end of the country.
Speaker 4: And then you cross into Panama.
Speaker 5: So you and that's without talking about the volcanoes and
Speaker 5: the hot springs and all that stuff. Yeah, everything is
Speaker 5: it's like a like I said, the place has two
Speaker 5: percent of the word diversity, just bio biodiversity. Nineteen thousand
Speaker 5: square miles. Two percent of the word biodiversity is located
Speaker 5: in there. So you you can imagine that the flora
Speaker 5: and the fauna is going to be really rich.
Speaker 1: What kind of big game? Are there any big game animals?
Speaker 1: O realize they're not hunting them there. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: part of his story, is that there's no honting in
Speaker 1: coast through it's legal.
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that it's not. But there's some whitetail.
Speaker 1: Whitetail there, yes, which would be invasive.
Speaker 4: I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean the white tails are.
Speaker 5: And there's pigs, you know, feral pigs as you cannot
Speaker 5: run them off. They're going to be everywhere. Jaguars, jaguars
Speaker 5: of course. There's also this creature. I don't know what's
Speaker 5: the name on the English, but we call it Danta.
Speaker 5: She's like, like, go ahead and google it so you
Speaker 5: can maybe describe it. But she's a big, old, like
Speaker 5: a bear, looking like creature. We no longer her, and
Speaker 5: her nose is going to be long like a taper.
Speaker 2: It's like a taper.
Speaker 5: A taper, that's what it is. There's those all over
Speaker 5: the place, all over the no, no, let me take
Speaker 5: the bag. Not all over on the south of the country.
Speaker 5: There's yes, tapers with jaguars usually.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the jaguar?
Speaker 4: Yes, you really? Yes, down there on this south it's
Speaker 4: called cord I.
Speaker 1: Mean, not not in a no, not in a case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell me about I mean, like, how do you see
Speaker 1: a jaguar?
Speaker 4: Well, what how did you see?
Speaker 1: The one you saw?
Speaker 4: That's on the National Park. It's a reservation. So this
Speaker 4: is is crazy.
Speaker 5: But the wildlife is used to the people like not
Speaker 5: messing with them. So as long as you know to do,
Speaker 5: you don't do any kind of like a stupid solmn movement.
Speaker 5: They're gonna behave natural and they're now they're not gonna
Speaker 5: come up to you, right, but they're gonna keep a
Speaker 5: fair distance. That time, I remember we were walking towards
Speaker 5: the bridge, towards the beach because we're gonna do some
Speaker 5: snook fision right there on the on the shallows, like
Speaker 5: on the on the sandbanks. And my body screamed, jagguar.
Speaker 5: And when we look up, he was on the go,
Speaker 5: like like he was moving away from us, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe about seven yards he probably saw us walking to
Speaker 5: him and seven yards seventy oh no, seven yards no
Speaker 5: then and he was on the go. And even though
Speaker 5: he was that far away, man, you know the presence
Speaker 5: of those cats like that being that big, especially like
Speaker 5: mound lions. Yeah, I know there's some mount lines as well,
Speaker 5: not as many color pumas. Yeah, and those are gonna
Speaker 5: be I guess like the Florida panther m.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the I think the mountain what we call
Speaker 1: the mountain lion here puma puma con color. It's the
Speaker 1: same cat. That is, there's different subspecies, but it's the
Speaker 1: same cat that's like in Montana that would be down
Speaker 1: in Central America as I understand it. Yeah, it may
Speaker 1: be different, different subspecies.
Speaker 5: It's the same, but the genes are going to be
Speaker 5: a little bit different. It's just like the white tails
Speaker 5: from the South versus the one in the Midwest, just
Speaker 5: a little bit smaller, Just the same overall stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever seen a black jaguar on pictures?
Speaker 4: Never on person?
Speaker 1: I've noticed that there appears to be a jaguar tattoo
Speaker 1: on your hand.
Speaker 4: A puma?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a puma.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Really, Now, what's the significance of that?
Speaker 4: Nothing?
Speaker 1: Just like.
Speaker 3: Good looking puma.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got yeah, I got that puma. Man.
Speaker 5: I got a bunch of North American and American kind
Speaker 5: of like animals. So I got a puma. I got
Speaker 5: a deer right here?
Speaker 4: Oh really? Yeah? What else do I got?
Speaker 1: Is it like a big buck?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, can you pull your arm.
Speaker 4: You're gonna like that one? Oh wow? Soon on his forearm.
Speaker 4: There's a there's a bison, and then there's that bug
Speaker 4: right there. Oh, look at that redtail hawk from wearing there.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, I.
Speaker 4: Give me.
Speaker 1: Let me see that buck again. Hold on, put your
Speaker 1: shirt up a little bit more. Okay, now the tattoo
Speaker 1: artists that did this there, I noticed there's a forked
Speaker 1: G two. Yeah, I'd say that's an unusual characteristic for
Speaker 1: a white tail.
Speaker 4: I know. And did you request the fork G two?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: I was like, that looks like a mule deer. But
Speaker 4: I mean, here's the thing, if.
Speaker 1: You want it to be a white tail. No, it
Speaker 1: looks like a white tail.
Speaker 4: Let me explain.
Speaker 3: I think there's a story here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me explain.
Speaker 5: Everything that I have is handra like I usually request
Speaker 5: my body matschief Flip that's his name. I know him
Speaker 5: for several years, Templo, since I came to the States.
Speaker 5: And every time I'm like a math, what if we
Speaker 5: do like a like a puma?
Speaker 4: So he will sit down.
Speaker 2: So it was all that done at separate times.
Speaker 4: Yes, and then he will draw by him out of
Speaker 4: his mind right like will he's like sketch it on
Speaker 4: your arm and pin or something depends.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes he will do it on his tablet. Get
Speaker 5: it all done, or sometimes he will do it directly
Speaker 5: in my skin, right, depending on what he's forty. Anyways,
Speaker 5: on this case, I said, Matt, I want to do
Speaker 5: like a buck. He said, what are you talking about?
Speaker 5: And I said, just just a big buck. He's like
Speaker 5: like a white tail deer.
Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, so is this guy this an
Speaker 4: Alabama dude?
Speaker 5: Or yes, he's an Alabama dude, but he's a known
Speaker 5: hunter and he doesn't go outside as much as we do. Right, So,
Speaker 5: so here's the thing. He's like, I look some reference
Speaker 5: points and a few pictures of deer, now white tail
Speaker 5: or nothing.
Speaker 4: This is what I came with. And I look at
Speaker 4: it and I said, that's a mule deer. But we're
Speaker 4: here right now.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna tell him nothing. Oh no, I said, Matt.
Speaker 5: Just put it in there, you get He said, oh
Speaker 5: you like it? I said, yeah, I put it up there,
Speaker 5: so just like that, you know, so it is a
Speaker 5: mule there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but you were You didn't need a white
Speaker 1: tail though.
Speaker 5: It don't matter if it could be a white tail
Speaker 5: for interpretation, Yes, yeah, it's I can see it with
Speaker 5: his eyes on the back of the.
Speaker 1: I think that you've got the right to be like
Speaker 1: pretty picky about which reference drawing they make if there's
Speaker 1: a tattoo on your arm.
Speaker 5: But on the on the throughout the years, the relationship
Speaker 5: that it goes past client tattoo artists and it's just
Speaker 5: comes a friendship, right, it becomes a frame life lessons
Speaker 5: with Yes, so is.
Speaker 1: This would this be like a so Okay, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm not. I'm not seeing it, but I
Speaker 1: would don't trust you're You're just like, I mean, were
Speaker 1: you gonna hurt his feelings?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: But it was like going through the process of like,
Speaker 4: oh he has to draw it again?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I said you didn't want to inconvenience.
Speaker 4: No, just put the I gotta go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I paid for the guy to spent an extra
Speaker 1: thirty minutes on it.
Speaker 4: Now I'd be like, as a double it's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: If it's a white tail, it's I'm a sucker for
Speaker 1: a four G two.
Speaker 3: He's an incredible artist.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, he is pretty good.
Speaker 1: Hey have you ever you got a bison on there?
Speaker 1: Have you ever read Steve Vanella's American Buffalo Book?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: If you're if you're looking for a good book to
Speaker 1: read you ought to read that?
Speaker 4: Does he has that one on audible? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's on audible. I want to say it's
Speaker 1: truly one of my I mean, it would be have
Speaker 1: to be in the top top books. And I'm not
Speaker 1: just saying that because we like to. Yeah wha, he
Speaker 1: does not, Thank goodness, he does not. But it's a
Speaker 1: good book.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely I want to say, like, I'm almost one,
Speaker 5: I got that book on the playlist on Audible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he has to. I will.
Speaker 5: I will show you because I know it's going to
Speaker 5: be like, oh yeah, right after we told him so
Speaker 5: only he got I will show y'all later on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to see that.
Speaker 4: He has to like, yeah, I swear I did. It
Speaker 4: was him or somebody else. Well, now I'm hold on
Speaker 4: and say hold up, but let's just go ahead, let's
Speaker 4: keep it be. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I will pull out that phone later on and it's
Speaker 5: stuff end noll. If you're watching this, I'm going to
Speaker 5: prove I'm want to prove this.
Speaker 1: You know, well, you know the coolest thing about your
Speaker 1: story that I learned on the Southern Sportsman Endorsement podcast
Speaker 1: and what we heard on Bear Grease was that it's
Speaker 1: really cool how you you got into hunting and and
Speaker 1: if you hadn't listened to it, you got to go
Speaker 1: back and listen to it. But I mean when he
Speaker 1: just started from like zero, when he when he got here,
Speaker 1: and you're like becoming a really good hunter white tail hunter.
Speaker 5: Man, I wouldn't say like a really good I will
Speaker 5: say it more like a like a very persistent and
Speaker 5: stubborn hunter. You know, they keep making the same mistakes
Speaker 5: two to three times until I learned from him. Right,
Speaker 5: It's like, no, no, it wasn't me. No, No, it
Speaker 5: wasn't me. And then it's like, okay, it was me.
Speaker 5: It's time to make a change. But but yeah, like
Speaker 5: I said, the progression is being steady slow, but you know,
Speaker 5: step by step. But it's been steady.
Speaker 4: And I was talking with.
Speaker 5: Clay about this that everybody wants to go and kill
Speaker 5: a one fifty. We all do, right, But in my case, man,
Speaker 5: I started from like not knowing how to hunt these
Speaker 5: creatures to where I'm at now. So I've been following
Speaker 5: a process that he has to be respected because I
Speaker 5: feel that if I rush it, I'm gonna take away
Speaker 5: to all the fun and all the joy that I
Speaker 5: have Now, if I kill a one fifty, thank you God,
Speaker 5: it will be amazing. But if I don't, it's not
Speaker 5: going to take the slip away from it, right, And
Speaker 5: then I'm not going to be passing on the small
Speaker 5: bugs that I shouldn't be passing because I'm waiting that
Speaker 5: one fifty. And the only thing that is that I'm
Speaker 5: going to be thinking of is it's a different level.
Speaker 5: And I respect that position from the guys that live
Speaker 5: that kind of like a hunting life. But in my case,
Speaker 5: my particular case, Pablo's life is a process and that process,
Speaker 5: you know, it just takes time and it cannot be rushed.
Speaker 4: It's just what it is. I'm being honest.
Speaker 5: I'm not ashamed to say, like a man, if I'm
Speaker 5: hunting and sometimes it's a bad day to be a spike.
Speaker 6: Just like that.
Speaker 4: It happens, Yeah, it happens. It happens like last year.
Speaker 5: Listen, last year it was the best year ever kill
Speaker 5: the biggest book that ever killed in Alabama. Kill a
Speaker 5: bug on this particular double you may I've been hunting
Speaker 5: seven years in that area without being able to kill
Speaker 5: a legal book. Everything is within less than a week
Speaker 5: time frame. And then the fourth day, No, the fifth
Speaker 5: day of consecutive hunting, a cow horn looking like a
Speaker 5: spike comes up and I was like bloom, yes, and
Speaker 5: everybody's like, you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean?
Speaker 4: This is a huge accomplishment. They're like, how big is
Speaker 4: the spike? And I was like, it's like a food
Speaker 4: long No.
Speaker 1: It was a good It's always funny how people talk
Speaker 1: about it was a big spot.
Speaker 4: It's like as if if the two spikes walked up
Speaker 4: and one at three and one at four, this one
Speaker 4: is a good one, yeah, this one is. This one
Speaker 4: is a good like cow horn looking like a spike. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I can't get enough cal horn spot.
Speaker 5: So I was like, what a better way to do
Speaker 5: it then going back to basics and pull the trigger
Speaker 5: and the spike burn attack and be done in Alabama?
Speaker 4: And everybody's like, okay, so.
Speaker 5: Did you just graduated from this spike management of university
Speaker 5: orre you going to keep doing this?
Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't know. We will find
Speaker 4: out next season. So I went two weeks later to.
Speaker 5: Mississippi kill a book, and I mean, come on, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, right yere man? Yeah, killing the
Speaker 5: best book on the state killing a book and I've
Speaker 5: only made it took me seven years to do that.
Speaker 5: Tagging out. It don't matter what do you tag out,
Speaker 5: but you tag out and then on top of that
Speaker 5: killing now to state book.
Speaker 4: It doesn't get no better than that.
Speaker 1: Right, big year, good year, I've got I've got a
Speaker 1: question for you. So because you've you've you came into
Speaker 1: specifically whitetail hunting so fresh, with such a clean slate,
Speaker 1: like you didn't have any cultural baggage like anybody that's
Speaker 1: raised I mean almost in America. I mean, deer hunting
Speaker 1: is so big in America. I mean unless you're just
Speaker 1: like from like the Inner City and your family has
Speaker 1: been there for like generations, there's a good chance that
Speaker 1: you have some connection to hunting. Maybe it's your grandfather,
Speaker 1: maybe it's your uncle, your cousins, like somebody the hunter
Speaker 1: way back, and and you come with this baggage of
Speaker 1: the way that you're supposed to hunt, like whether it's
Speaker 1: whether it's bow hunting, or whether it's doing drives, or
Speaker 1: whether it's hunting with deer dogs like it is down
Speaker 1: here in some places, whether it's bow hunt whatever. I
Speaker 1: think that in today's like oversaturated whitetail world that's so commercialized,
Speaker 1: and it just is I mean, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: the company I work where we try to sell hunting products.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of what makes the thing go round.
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad about that. But also in like
Speaker 1: the media space in general, it's like we need things
Speaker 1: to talk about, and so it's almost like hunting gets
Speaker 1: more and more complex, like if you were just starting
Speaker 1: from scratch, like when my dad started hunting back in
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies. I mean, it's like you needed a
Speaker 1: bow in a flannel shirt, you know, and maybe a
Speaker 1: baker tree stand that you could climb up and probably die.
Speaker 1: Those things they call them widow makers. But today you
Speaker 1: might get the idea that you got to know about
Speaker 1: all this different stuff. You're an interesting case study because
Speaker 1: you do know, I mean, you've kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of information. You've just been a sponge and
Speaker 1: learned about thermals and learned about feed trees and learned
Speaker 1: about funnels, and like he's a student of deer hunting,
Speaker 1: you know. And so here's my question all that, to say,
Speaker 1: what really are the limiting factors of killing a deer?
Speaker 1: Where you hunt. Okay, because it could be somebody might
Speaker 1: come into hunting and think it's camouflage pattern, which we
Speaker 1: all know is not true. But what what do you
Speaker 1: think the limiting factors are killing deer?
Speaker 5: Based on what I believe personally pressure. I believe pressure
Speaker 5: is a big thing. Also on this particular dog.
Speaker 1: You may tell me what you mean by that. They
Speaker 1: interpret that.
Speaker 4: Like like hunters per squaial mind.
Speaker 1: So you so for you to be successful, you go
Speaker 1: where there's not pressure.
Speaker 5: Yes, Also in this area where I hunt, the deer
Speaker 5: population is very low. The habit that is pretty monocha.
Speaker 5: How well, it's pretty much the.
Speaker 1: Same block like monoculture.
Speaker 4: Yes, so.
Speaker 5: There's different areas where I can move and go and
Speaker 5: kill a deer. Right, it might not be the greatest,
Speaker 5: but he's going to be a deer and I could
Speaker 5: be pretty successful about that. But once again, there's gonna
Speaker 5: be things such as.
Speaker 4: Pressure. That's to me, that's the biggest thing in Alabama.
Speaker 1: So what what when you say that to me?
Speaker 4: I hear you say.
Speaker 1: If I was telling a new hunter what to do,
Speaker 1: I would go find a place it doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of people hunting, and you could be you could
Speaker 1: you could not have knowledge and kind of not know
Speaker 1: what you're doing, but maybe still kill a deer because
Speaker 1: they're unpressured.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: Uh, now, here's the thing that's that's that's kind of
Speaker 5: like a different question. I'm gonna answer in a different way.
Speaker 5: But I think, to me, my blessing, because it was
Speaker 5: a blessing, was that I learned from all school guys.
Speaker 5: Guys didn't have social media. Shoot man, they had paper maps.
Speaker 5: That was the way for them to scalt the areas
Speaker 5: and all that stuff. So that was my principle. You know,
Speaker 5: that was the foundation of where I'm at right now.
Speaker 5: Everything else I don't pick it up throughout the seasons
Speaker 5: and you learn a little bit more about this and
Speaker 5: about that. If somebody asked me right now, based on
Speaker 5: what I know, I'd be like, Okay, the best way
Speaker 5: to try to seal the deal is to figure out
Speaker 5: when is the rut.
Speaker 4: When the rout is on, like on the peak. So
Speaker 4: you're going to find them cruisers and go ahead and
Speaker 4: put yourself nearby a creek crossing or a bluff gap.
Speaker 4: That's what I would choose. Like special so.
Speaker 1: Understanding like when the times are so you can understand
Speaker 1: in topography.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that way you're going to get the most
Speaker 5: daylight movements and the most exposure, you know, because because
Speaker 5: love is in the air, and they be goofing around
Speaker 5: and I'm yeah, you know, and they exposed themselves in
Speaker 5: the ways that they never do. Yeah, I've been winded before,
Speaker 5: but bugs. They's like, man, I have got this crazy,
Speaker 5: but I have got encounters with big deer. Last season,
Speaker 5: I bomb paid Monster a monster and I called my
Speaker 5: buddy Daniel Williams and I said, Daniel, I just bomb
Speaker 5: pay Monster. It's like two thirty in the evening.
Speaker 4: What do I do. He's like, Oh, don't worry, You're
Speaker 4: going to do this. You fix them, kill him. And
Speaker 4: I was like no, like he's gone. He was like, no,
Speaker 4: do this, you fix him, kill him. And I didn't
Speaker 4: listen to him.
Speaker 5: And I think that I should have done it, and
Speaker 5: I might have killed him, you know, but I was like, no, no,
Speaker 5: hold on, I'm going to try to do this.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: He was recommending me, was like trying to circle hook
Speaker 5: that book, but I just couldn't avoid it, and I
Speaker 5: did the opposite and just kind of like straight up
Speaker 5: chasing climb a tree and I was like, he's gonna
Speaker 5: come back, and I bet you he wouldn't run, but
Speaker 5: he was a monster.
Speaker 4: H bet it on the wide up and yeah.
Speaker 5: The crazy thing is I stopped and look at the tree.
Speaker 5: I came out of the thicket, stop looking at the tree,
Speaker 5: and I said, this is a really good transition area.
Speaker 5: This is the climber and the trail comes right here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it. And I did one step and
Speaker 4: he bumped about twenty yards, so you were right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was right there, but he was already there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, I used to think about bow hunting.
Speaker 1: If somebody would have seen me killing deer and would
Speaker 1: have been like, oh, man, you're a good hunter, I
Speaker 1: would have said, I don't know. I don't really think
Speaker 1: I'm a good hunter. I think I just go lot
Speaker 1: and I'm really persistent. So what I saw people do
Speaker 1: is like learn a lot about hunting. And this is
Speaker 1: kind of a fictitious scenario, but like learn a lot
Speaker 1: about hunting, try to find the right time, like basically
Speaker 1: find the right scenario, and then they would go and
Speaker 1: not be successful. And maybe they even knew more about
Speaker 1: what was happening than me, But I was I just
Speaker 1: went more, stayed longer and ended up killing deer, and
Speaker 1: in the process of that you learn a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: so I think the thing that I would say to
Speaker 1: people is just go go climb up in a tree
Speaker 1: and sit there, and when you don't see deer, you're
Speaker 1: gonna learn something. You're gonna go somewhere else. When you
Speaker 1: do see deer, you're gonna be validated. And you're gonna
Speaker 1: watch how they use the terrain, watch what they're feeding on,
Speaker 1: watch the direction they come. When you get winded, you're
Speaker 1: gonna learn Oh dang, I need to be on that
Speaker 1: side of the funnel, and the thermals are gonna suck
Speaker 1: my wind down in that draw. I mean, like you
Speaker 1: just learned so much about being there. But as opposed
Speaker 1: to and I guess I'm kind of combating what you
Speaker 1: and I talked about earlier today about how complex sometimes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the more the longer we do this white tail
Speaker 1: hunting thing, the more fine tuned it becomes, and kind
Speaker 1: of the more complicated it becomes in a way.
Speaker 4: And there's so many members technicologies, so many technicologies and
Speaker 4: things that it seems like we're speaking about like outer
Speaker 4: space kind of stuff. And it just takes the whole
Speaker 4: the fun a way.
Speaker 1: When's what's the last white Tail podcast you listen to?
Speaker 1: Miss nukelem.
Speaker 3: When was the last time you did a Dear Stories podcast?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, you know what, I'm just gonna ask you.
Speaker 3: Well, I was thinking it kind of reminds me. You know,
Speaker 3: Shepherd always our son. Shep always talks about luck favors
Speaker 3: the people who who show up, who are there, and
Speaker 3: if sometimes he'll hear you and Bear talking about about
Speaker 3: whether you should go or not, and if you don't,
Speaker 3: He's like, oh man, they might have missed the air lucky.
Speaker 4: Day, so powerful quote. Love favors the ones that show up.
Speaker 4: Yeah that is so truth. Yeah that's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, segue into this. Pablo told me a quote
Speaker 1: earlier today that I was like, Hey, that's really good
Speaker 1: about nostalgia.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah's here it because you know, here's the thing.
Speaker 5: I was talking with Clay and I said, a lot
Speaker 5: of times I get very nostalgic when I when I think.
Speaker 4: Talking about Coaster Rea, I get very nostalgic. And it happens.
Speaker 4: But but I said, nostalgia is the greatest liar there is, right,
Speaker 4: And that's because it will bring you back to these
Speaker 4: really like cool moments and great memories while hiding the
Speaker 4: real reason why something ended or something was. Don't forget right.
Speaker 3: That's good, Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 5: So so what I get is all these reels of
Speaker 5: high moments of my childhood, pretty much in my teenager years,
Speaker 5: which I had the greatest childhood ever, man, like I
Speaker 5: you know, with you can you can try to put
Speaker 5: in context like oh, there was some limitations or whatever
Speaker 5: was I never felt, you know, I was a happy
Speaker 5: kid with what we had, right, and the greatest thing
Speaker 5: we didn't have internet and we didn't have cell phones.
Speaker 5: That was the two greatest thing it's ever, you know.
Speaker 5: So we grew up everybody in the neighborhood, my area
Speaker 5: pretty much like that, like yeah, wide up and on
Speaker 5: the woods, you know. So you you cannot be asking
Speaker 5: for anything better than that. But I get nostalgic.
Speaker 4: It's normal.
Speaker 5: And especially when I think about fishing, I'm like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, man, oh my god, you know, forty five
Speaker 5: minutes away from from the ocean, yeah, or something like that.
Speaker 5: And then you start recalling, Okay, what was the reasons
Speaker 5: why we left or what do we move forward? This
Speaker 5: and that, and then you start realizing like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's why you know. And so yeah, gotta be careful
Speaker 5: when you get nostalgic, because you can be impulsive.
Speaker 1: Okay, tying this back into deer hunting, have you deer
Speaker 1: hunted long enough for you to be nostalgic about deer hunting?
Speaker 4: Yes? Absolutely?
Speaker 5: About a place in the specific, Yeah, this area where
Speaker 5: I used to be the one that I think that
Speaker 5: shot in that big deer. I don't want to get
Speaker 5: into a lot of detail of the place because I
Speaker 5: will give it up.
Speaker 4: But the place was.
Speaker 5: It's no longer available mm and and that was my
Speaker 5: honey hole, and I hunted it hard, man, every moment,
Speaker 5: every day that I had, I was on the same tree,
Speaker 5: the same sweet come about this big because it was
Speaker 5: the only one that you could climb in that swamp.
Speaker 5: And now I go by the place, even though there's
Speaker 5: nothuntable you can go by, and and man, sometimes I
Speaker 5: just kind of like stayed right there, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: I wish that I could haunt this place back again.
Speaker 5: And even though this nostalgia is like legit, like there's
Speaker 5: not such bad reason for it, Like it was out of.
Speaker 1: My days you sat there and didn't see anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but how much I learned and how much time
Speaker 5: you because there was so much wildlife on those swamps,
Speaker 5: which was incredible.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: I got to see in otters. I got to see beavers,
Speaker 5: all kinds of ducks, coons, bobcads, just walking by me,
Speaker 5: minding their business. And that's quiet that you can stay.
Speaker 5: The more you're gonna learn, you know. That's I learned
Speaker 5: that with deer as well. The first time I seen
Speaker 5: a doubt with triplets. That doesn't happen very often, but
Speaker 5: it happens. Well, it might happiness more often than what
Speaker 5: I think. But the phones were like literally underneath me,
Speaker 5: and I was like hugging the tree, like police go
Speaker 5: away and they're doing their thing. And Mama was like
Speaker 5: forty yards away, ears wide open, scanny. She knew something
Speaker 5: was off, but she could figure it out. So I
Speaker 5: was listening so carefully because there was so many bocalizations
Speaker 5: going on between and back and forth that it was
Speaker 5: just an amazing experience. And they ended up just walking away.
Speaker 5: But I was like, these are the days that really
Speaker 5: make the difference when you learn and experience a little
Speaker 5: bit better, you know, behaviors or things like that. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that place right there. And there's also the one that
Speaker 5: they got away, the one that could never recovered. You
Speaker 5: seeing that book, Yeah, he was a good one to
Speaker 5: as show it to you later, but he was a
Speaker 5: good one. And then what else, like seriously that again.
Speaker 1: Be thinking of a question you might have for him? Anything? Josh,
Speaker 1: you two got it? Do you have any questions?
Speaker 2: Well, I just I enjoyed listening to to your story
Speaker 2: for the podcast, and I think I think your passion
Speaker 2: for the outdoors surfaced when you were so little, and
Speaker 2: I admire your your passion when you got to the
Speaker 2: United States of you know, learning that you could hunt
Speaker 2: and and uh does that I guess My my thing
Speaker 2: is is like, what is that? What has that done
Speaker 2: to you? Is it filled you with more passion? Are
Speaker 2: you still just as excited about it today as you
Speaker 2: were then? I'm actually have you have you like, has
Speaker 2: that branched out into other areas of hunting?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's well to start the question is like he
Speaker 5: has I'm actually hungrier than what it was before. And
Speaker 5: the reason for that is because now I understand what
Speaker 5: I'm doing and now I can actually understand why am
Speaker 5: I doing it?
Speaker 4: Things?
Speaker 5: So it has drew me like crazier than what it
Speaker 5: was before, right because it's like, Okay, now I have
Speaker 5: no excuses.
Speaker 4: Before I could have this excuse of.
Speaker 5: Inexperienced this that like that, like now there's none Like
Speaker 5: now I'm I should be good to go. And yes, absolutely, man,
Speaker 5: I was Remember I was disclosed to be turkey hunting today. Okay,
Speaker 5: I've never done it before. He turned down a turkey
Speaker 5: hunt to come with me Jamie McKay and Alabama. He
Speaker 5: was like, We're gonna go turkey hunting and I was like,
Speaker 5: mister Jamie, I can't. I gotta go with Clay. I
Speaker 5: said we wait until I said we wait for next
Speaker 5: year because I've never done it before.
Speaker 4: He was like, oh gone.
Speaker 5: You know so I want to do some turkey hunting,
Speaker 5: you know, of course, fishing all the time, deer hunting
Speaker 5: and man, everybody, I mean, I don't know, somebody doesn't
Speaker 5: say like elk hunting or any other game like that. Yes,
Speaker 5: I would love to venture into that, but I guess
Speaker 5: that's gonna come with time. When when the time is right,
Speaker 5: I guess yea. But yeah, now I'm more passionate than before,
Speaker 5: because now I understand, Yeah, well I'm what am I
Speaker 5: actually looking for?
Speaker 1: Man, You've had some incredible mentors, all the guys they
Speaker 1: all mentioned. I mean that when when I heard his story,
Speaker 1: that was the thing that stood up to me, is
Speaker 1: that all the all the people that just brought him
Speaker 1: into kind of their inner circle. And uh, that's that's
Speaker 1: as it's honestly a testament to them, but it's also
Speaker 1: a testament to you. I Mean, sometimes I think people
Speaker 1: talk about maybe not being able to find mentors and
Speaker 1: and really a lot of times the fingers should be
Speaker 1: pointed back at Yeah, the person that they're not reaching
Speaker 1: out to the right people, or they're they're they're not
Speaker 1: respecting I mean that I don't know. It's it's it
Speaker 1: can be hard to break into.
Speaker 5: Let me tell you how they started. Well, first and
Speaker 5: foremost mister mister Tony, right, But then I spoke with
Speaker 5: Josh about this friend of mine, Parker McDonald. He had
Speaker 5: he has a YouTube channel, right, so years ago it
Speaker 5: was called Southern ground Hunting right now it's Southern Collective. Anyways,
Speaker 5: he put up their own social media. I'm looking for
Speaker 5: an interm for Southern ground Hunting. So I email him
Speaker 5: and I said, I have no experience with a camera.
Speaker 5: I don't know anything about electronics. I do not on
Speaker 5: a computer. I'm technologically slow, but I have a good
Speaker 5: attitude and if you put a camera on my hands.
Speaker 4: I would love to go out there with you.
Speaker 5: I said, here goes nothing, and I sent the email
Speaker 5: right literally, did I know he texts me back. Well,
Speaker 5: he emails me back, Hey, this is my phone number.
Speaker 4: Give me a text.
Speaker 5: I was like, do what, well, mister Towny, don't talk
Speaker 5: to mister Michael. Mister Michael saw Parker somewhere and talk
Speaker 5: to Parker about me. Parker's like, hey, Michael talked to
Speaker 5: me about you.
Speaker 4: Do you want to meet in this place? And we
Speaker 4: we talk about it.
Speaker 5: We talked a little bit and we became friends. And
Speaker 5: next thing you know, I was out there hunting with Parker.
Speaker 5: There was no inner spot.
Speaker 4: I was just with him.
Speaker 5: He started teaching me as well what he believed he
Speaker 5: was the best approach for me, while being double check
Speaker 5: with mister Tunny, mister Jamie, mister Michael McCabe, and then
Speaker 5: Daniel Williams came along the road and he's like, okay,
Speaker 5: now you're jumping on on on this truck and we're
Speaker 5: fixing the move along and this is when you're going
Speaker 5: to start learning about topographies and learn about this.
Speaker 4: Wow, it's like a like a class exactly.
Speaker 5: Everybody this is this is the best of the best.
Speaker 5: Everybody has a very strong like a subject to each
Speaker 5: other strength. Yes, that that everybody like mister Michael bluff
Speaker 5: gaps and creek crossings, you know, mister Tonny Myers fea trees. Yes,
Speaker 5: he killed a state record on a history. Mister Michael
Speaker 5: killed the muscilow of state record not long ago, like
Speaker 5: a one eight.
Speaker 4: The one who said like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and after that the place look like a punkin patch,
Speaker 5: you know, like opening there. Yeah, nothing but orange. It's
Speaker 5: just an awful you know. I was like, yeah, it's
Speaker 5: over with. But something I have learned is that the
Speaker 5: pressure goes up and then the next year will it
Speaker 5: go kind of like a dive down. Then a couple
Speaker 5: of years we'll go back up. Anyways, Parker is all
Speaker 5: about access, you know how you access? Yes, mister Jamie
Speaker 5: is about travel corridors, like where do you find them?
Speaker 4: Cruising?
Speaker 5: So I've been picking the best out of the best man,
Speaker 5: and I got a feeling that this will pay sooner
Speaker 5: or later, will pay off, and if it doesn't, it
Speaker 5: don't matter because I have got the greatest time eror
Speaker 5: with these guys and and just just being able to
Speaker 5: learn from him is a luxury. Like what a luxury
Speaker 5: do I have to man that?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I've been in scouting with.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I tell you, I guarantee you
Speaker 1: that you are well just from being around you today.
Speaker 1: You're a great listener. It's fun to teach somebody that's passionate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fun to teach somebody that's appreciative. It's fun to
Speaker 1: teach somebody that is taking what you what you teach
Speaker 1: them and in doing and doing it. And actually, I
Speaker 1: mean so my point being, those guys are incredible. A
Speaker 1: hat tip to every one of those guys. Uh, you're
Speaker 1: doing some stuff right too. Yeah, I mean, just just
Speaker 1: in the fact that you could gain these guys trusts
Speaker 1: and well, that's the that's the biggest thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, kind of like throw your pearls
Speaker 1: before the swine. I mean, it's like, if I'm going
Speaker 1: to invest in somebody, I want to know that it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be there's gonna be a return on that investment,
Speaker 1: like in their life, because we all have invested in
Speaker 1: somebody that kind of squandered what you gave them, and
Speaker 1: you kind of learned from that. You're like, wow, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to invest my time in that anymore.
Speaker 5: But you know, my thing, I will say, the biggest
Speaker 5: thing for me was that you have to be aware
Speaker 5: that the people's time is very valuable and the experience
Speaker 5: that they have gained throughout the years is priceless. Like seriously, man,
Speaker 5: they have expent years of their life up in that
Speaker 5: mountain chasing these creatures, and suddenly if you're here for
Speaker 5: a free ride, that's gonna throw you off the door
Speaker 5: right away. Like you see what I'm saying. What I
Speaker 5: want to learn is how you do what you do?
Speaker 4: Now? Where you go to do what you do? You know?
Speaker 5: Like so I don't know, I guess it's the will,
Speaker 5: your attitude, perseverance, you know, how good you're going to
Speaker 5: be able to face the challenges that they throw it
Speaker 5: at you. Maybe I don't know, just the blessing overall,
Speaker 5: that's what it is. Yeah, good lord looking over, there's
Speaker 5: nothing you can do about that, right.
Speaker 4: So it was good, So.
Speaker 1: Did you have a question?
Speaker 3: Actually my question was how did he get his mentors?
Speaker 3: That was actually what I was curious about. I haven't listened,
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't. I wouldn't. Haven't heard the whole
Speaker 3: story yet. So it's kind of hard because I actually
Speaker 3: have a lot of questions, but I feel like it
Speaker 3: would be repetitive. They're probably answered in.
Speaker 4: The yeah, yeah, So how did you get here? It's
Speaker 4: like it cannot be disclosed.
Speaker 5: So real quick. I met this gentleman. I was doing
Speaker 5: some work outside of his house. They took me on
Speaker 5: the backside. My stepdad did well. He had giants, state
Speaker 5: records and all that stuff, everything from public land. I
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, got his name.
Speaker 4: Uh. A few years went by. I'm striking with no
Speaker 4: lock on public land. Three years without seeing a deer,
Speaker 4: without seeing a deer, three seasons honting, no dear. I'm desperate.
Speaker 4: And I spoke with my stepdad and said, do you
Speaker 4: remember that gentleman? He said, yeah, this is his house.
Speaker 5: He's like, I don't know. I said, does he still
Speaker 5: lives in there? He's like, I don't know. So I said,
Speaker 5: I something is gonna happen. I'm gonna get shot or
Speaker 5: I'm gonna find my stani but something.
Speaker 1: They're doing concrete work. This guy's the stranger's house, saw
Speaker 1: his trophy room. And then a year later he goes back.
Speaker 5: It was three three years later, yes, oh wow, yes,
Speaker 5: three years later. I went back to Miss Tony's. Anyways,
Speaker 5: I said, something's gonna happen. I'm gonna get shot or
Speaker 5: I'm gonna find him. I saw the con I was like,
Speaker 5: that's that's it, you know, that's that's the one knock
Speaker 5: on the front door. Nothing, And I said, here we go.
Speaker 5: You just gotta roll the dice and I walk on
Speaker 5: the back, like on the back of the house.
Speaker 1: If you knock on my back door, you're getting shot.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I period. Miss Donna came out and she's
Speaker 4: super sweet and kind with me, and she says, can
Speaker 4: I help you? I was like hell, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I said, don't let the serotypes guiding you to this,
Speaker 5: because I'm fixing the gains shot.
Speaker 4: You know, I have an accent and a bunch of
Speaker 4: the this It's not what it looks like, you know, right.
Speaker 4: I was like, it's not what it looks like. Just
Speaker 4: bear with him and let me explain myself please, and
Speaker 4: I said, mister Tony home.
Speaker 5: She was like, no, he's honey. I said I'd be back,
Speaker 5: and so I came back that evening as mister Tony.
Speaker 5: He was like, everybody, I.
Speaker 4: Remember you, just like that, okay, and that it started,
Speaker 4: and then he he took.
Speaker 5: Me under his wing. He's getting closer to retirement. He's
Speaker 5: a legend, man. And then he's like, I'm going to
Speaker 5: talk to some of the guys from the same generation
Speaker 5: so they can kind of like still help people a
Speaker 5: little bit and all that, and that's how the ball
Speaker 5: went down eventually, all the way, like I said, mister Tony,
Speaker 5: mister Jamie, mister Michael, Daniel Williams, Parker McDonald, Nick Brandon,
Speaker 5: Brian Prosser, that dude, man, that guy Brian Prosser. He's like,
Speaker 5: this is the crazy thing on public Land. He's able
Speaker 5: to pinpoint in the specific individual and do a lot
Speaker 5: of effective prayer that that buck is gonna live until
Speaker 5: he's like four years old. They even know that he's
Speaker 5: been shot since he's like six months old. He's like, God,
Speaker 5: please don't let him get killed this season.
Speaker 1: And somehow this guy, this guy's praying for a specific year.
Speaker 5: Yes, somehow this year end up being like on the one, twenties,
Speaker 5: one thirties. Next thing, you know, they jump from that
Speaker 5: to like an upper one. Photies on public on the
Speaker 5: same place.
Speaker 4: Many praise that they die, and he does that. He
Speaker 4: kills them all the time.
Speaker 5: Like last time that I was with him, he takes me, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm going tomorrow, and I was like, ah, good luck,
Speaker 5: it's the only day that I have.
Speaker 4: I gotta go. He was chasing a giant one fifty
Speaker 4: four a point double brow time mm hmm.
Speaker 5: So text me about seven point thirty he's down and
Speaker 5: I was like, there's no way I go in there
Speaker 5: retrieving that bug with him, My goodness, man, talking about popcorn,
Speaker 5: all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4: I should picture.
Speaker 5: Later, the deer came in and the deer saw him
Speaker 5: drawing back on his bow, so he said the buck
Speaker 5: stop and turns looking at him like that, and right
Speaker 5: when he's about to go.
Speaker 4: He releases.
Speaker 5: So there it goes through the deer nose out in
Speaker 5: the yall into the neck area and he s lip
Speaker 5: and ordering, wow, he was able to kill him. On
Speaker 5: the picture, you see like a cross right here on
Speaker 5: his nose and then where it was. But yeah, every
Speaker 5: year he does that, and he's one of the guys like,
Speaker 5: like I said, everybody else, actually my Boddy Nick. I
Speaker 5: was with him last season, and uh, we're hunting on
Speaker 5: this area where I see the triplet. I heard the
Speaker 5: first thing in the morning. I said, man, he got
Speaker 5: one on top of that ridge. We have receptions and
Speaker 5: Nick is like, hey, man, I shot a big old pig.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go retrieve him, and then you know, we go,
Speaker 5: and I said, cool. Well, I didn't hear anything else.
Speaker 5: And like three hours later.
Speaker 4: I see Nick limping really bad heading my way and
Speaker 4: I was like, what happened? He said, man, I dang pig.
Speaker 4: He wasn't dead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like the pig was inside of a ticket. So
Speaker 5: Nick goes into the tickets looking for him because the
Speaker 5: pig was wounded like really bad. He thought that he
Speaker 5: was done, and as soon as he got two him,
Speaker 5: the pig just jumping.
Speaker 4: He charged on him.
Speaker 5: Luckily didn't hit him with the tusk, but he hit
Speaker 5: him good enough on the leg that he was like
Speaker 5: he was in a binding and he was about a
Speaker 5: mile away from where I was. So to me, it
Speaker 5: was no way to tell that he would have been hurt,
Speaker 5: you know. So I said, okay, next day, I go
Speaker 5: in and during there at night, so I pull up
Speaker 5: my phone and start recording because they're squealing like really hard,
Speaker 5: and I got a green light. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 5: one of them is charging at me. He's like four
Speaker 5: o'clock in the morning. So I just jumped in the
Speaker 5: tree and held like that and I was like sweat
Speaker 5: until the sunlight comes up.
Speaker 4: Because we fixed him. Settle this down, you know.
Speaker 5: So I climbed our tree somel like, came up, took
Speaker 5: a shot. Surprisingly I missed.
Speaker 1: Oh the pigs were still there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, they didn't go nowhere. Apparently I'm not the
Speaker 5: greatest shooter at which I thought I was, but I
Speaker 5: am not.
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 5: Know I hate him, but I didn't hit him right.
Speaker 5: And then I'll start chasing and running behind it and
Speaker 5: just shooting lead like crazy. I bet you everybody in
Speaker 5: that management area was like, what's going on in the hall?
Speaker 5: Or a couple more steps, man, Yeah, it was didn't
Speaker 5: recover Just to make it sure, yeah it didn't.
Speaker 3: It needs to make it short.
Speaker 4: Yeah good, Yeah it happened. Here's the thing with my rifle.
Speaker 4: It was a gift.
Speaker 5: First gun that I ever owned my life Reminton seventy
Speaker 5: seven thirty or six. My stepdad and my mom purchased that.
Speaker 4: Gun for me. There you go, you have a gun.
Speaker 4: You have a rifle. Never have one before in my life.
Speaker 1: So because in Costa Rica you really couldn't have no.
Speaker 5: And calivers like that, I don't really yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't really think that they even provide those things.
Speaker 5: I know, pistols, yeah, but like hunting like that, calivers
Speaker 5: like that. Now, yeah, well apparently you got to side
Speaker 5: the thing.
Speaker 4: I had no clue. I just went honting and I
Speaker 4: so that had a scope on it. Yeah, And I
Speaker 4: just went hunting.
Speaker 2: And then never sided the No. Years ago, a couple
Speaker 2: of years to no.
Speaker 5: Yeah, about three years ago, Daniel asked me because I
Speaker 5: shot and I missed.
Speaker 4: Man, here's the thing. It was a mistake, but it's
Speaker 4: the middle of the rug right, there's the biggest crape.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, right here, right here, it's hot.
Speaker 5: Climb up the street and about I don't know two
Speaker 5: hours later, five those man come in and I.
Speaker 4: Was like dough bloom and she hunched over and I
Speaker 4: was like, yes, got it. Deer. So I text Daniel
Speaker 4: and I said, I just shot a door.
Speaker 6: He's like, what are you doing? Here's the rug were
Speaker 6: shooting dose? And I was like, dang, you man, he's
Speaker 6: actually right, I said, got the money. Well, I mean
Speaker 6: it's I next thing I know, she stands up and
Speaker 6: I was like, oh no, and well, I guess the adrenaline. Man,
Speaker 6: I end up sending twelve shots like I run out
Speaker 6: of ammal.
Speaker 4: Boom boom, beloaded for more and well, man, I got
Speaker 4: down and went up there closer to the scrape where
Speaker 4: I shot her, looking for blood.
Speaker 5: And I turned my head lamp and there's a buck
Speaker 5: literally on this crape looking at me. And I was like,
Speaker 5: of course you show up now it's dark. I can't
Speaker 5: got no ammal, you know.
Speaker 4: And I said, this is well.
Speaker 5: I didn't find it though, you know, like she she
Speaker 5: was gone, like she's just gone. I bet she wasn't
Speaker 5: even mortally wounded. But anyways, Dan, he was like, when
Speaker 5: was the last time you sighted your deer? And I
Speaker 5: said what do you mean? He's like, when do you
Speaker 5: when when it was last time you shot to a target?
Speaker 5: I said, you do you mean like a deer? He
Speaker 5: was like oh my god, no, like I said, I
Speaker 5: never done it. No, He's like, you got to be
Speaker 5: kidding me. He's like, and it was the last time
Speaker 5: you cleaned the rifle, And I said, what you mean?
Speaker 5: When we look at the barrel it looked like the
Speaker 5: entrance of a coal mine. I mean seriously, it was.
Speaker 6: Out and then like you.
Speaker 5: Can see like the strips on the barrel. Then it
Speaker 5: was like, what, which is crazy? Like how good these
Speaker 5: things are? You know, because with a bunch of neglection
Speaker 5: they still functioning just perfectly. Now now I'm cleaning you know,
Speaker 5: here and there. The only thing that I got to
Speaker 5: do is just get a scope because the one that
Speaker 5: I have well, apparently I didn't know.
Speaker 4: That the prize is correlated with how good the scope
Speaker 4: it is. And I was like ninety nine ninety nine.
Speaker 4: I said, that sounds like a deal.
Speaker 5: And if it's not like one o'clock in the evening fulish,
Speaker 5: then you ain't gonna see a thing through.
Speaker 4: It, you know.
Speaker 2: So I was like, that is fun.
Speaker 1: So you never started the gun after that?
Speaker 4: I did, yeah, yeah, And after that.
Speaker 5: I went to a range and I was like so
Speaker 5: this He was like, yeah, like, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 5: You know, and that thing was way off. I wasn't
Speaker 5: a hundred yards. I wasn't even hitting Oh my good paper, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and uh, it's funny.
Speaker 5: And then if you don't, we start dialing in, and
Speaker 5: of course a rival don't hit the ground. A few
Speaker 5: times with me, like more than a few times. I
Speaker 5: dropped him from the tree the same as I did
Speaker 5: with my bow, and and he was loaded and he
Speaker 5: fell with it, stoke down on the mud and just
Speaker 5: stuck up like that. So I was repelling myself on
Speaker 5: the other side of the tree, like oh boy, yeah,
Speaker 5: and I was able to get it off.
Speaker 2: I wish somebody, some little guy had been floating around
Speaker 2: in the woods with a camera video videoing you with
Speaker 2: all these.
Speaker 4: A lot of men.
Speaker 5: A lot of times I'm like, a guy, pulease, don't
Speaker 5: let nobody be right here, because, yeah, I for some reason,
Speaker 5: A lot of times I encounter things that normal people
Speaker 5: want to do, Like with the rattlesnakes.
Speaker 4: I have one. It's not that big. It's about that long,
Speaker 4: but it's not that wide. That's a big old girl. Yeah. Anyways,
Speaker 4: I seen it and I was like, man, I gotta
Speaker 4: take you home.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: You got to keep in mind I don't have a firearm.
Speaker 5: I have with my shady and my walking steak, which
Speaker 5: is the bottom part of a surfing rud. So I'm
Speaker 5: about a mile and a half from the truck and
Speaker 5: I said, you know, want let's let's roll the dice.
Speaker 5: Let's see, let's see what happens. And there's no cel
Speaker 5: from reception too, so I said, let's let's just see
Speaker 5: what happened. Yeah, And for working with a snake, this
Speaker 5: is the best way that I like to describe myself
Speaker 5: as a hybrid, right, fifty percent Hispanic, fifty percent red neck.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, It's just the hybrid. I
Speaker 5: just don't know what they kept. Yeah, you don't know
Speaker 5: what they're capable of. You don't see him all the time.
Speaker 5: So I was like, ah, let's go, and we start going.
Speaker 5: She immediately knew what was up, and she coil up
Speaker 5: and got on the striking position. I whack her penny down,
Speaker 5: reached down, stretcher, step on the tail, pull down on shading.
Speaker 5: When I'm going to strike, she comes loose and strike
Speaker 5: between my legs full force.
Speaker 4: So I jumped back and I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: let's let's go ahead and do this again. Then start running.
Speaker 5: She tries to flee like take off, and when she did,
Speaker 5: I just reached down, which it was pretty stupid, and
Speaker 5: pull her from the tail. And as I pulled her back,
Speaker 5: because she was going on the bloff. As I pulled
Speaker 5: her back, she came back striking.
Speaker 4: Man. I swear her.
Speaker 5: Mouth went like this, like like in a slow mo,
Speaker 5: full wide open, and I was like, I'm fixing two,
Speaker 5: getting get in trouble. Group myself back again, back back again,
Speaker 5: you know, start going at him and whack her again.
Speaker 5: Penny down, pull it, step on it, pull my shitty
Speaker 5: pull cut the head that was, I gotcha, put it
Speaker 5: on my pack, continue with my day. Now she's not
Speaker 5: rattling no more, but you know, reptiles that will be
Speaker 5: moving throughout several hours. Made it home and my wife
Speaker 5: is like, a how to go? And I said, good,
Speaker 5: but something that's been boogering me.
Speaker 4: On my backpack. She said, what are you mean? I said,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I got something here. It's kind of weird.
Speaker 4: She's like, well check it. Keep in mind she's in
Speaker 4: the kitchen fixing lunch and I just grabbed my pack
Speaker 4: and flip it upside down and let it up, and
Speaker 4: and that thing fell on the floor and started moving.
Speaker 7: She was jumping this high, that creepy and my dogs
Speaker 7: were like, whoa, and he's got pit bulls, yes.
Speaker 4: And she got so upset, and I was like, it
Speaker 4: was a joke. It was a joke. I'm sorry I
Speaker 4: ended up picking the snake out. She was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think you get out of there. Help more lunch
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 5: And I was like, I follow you from my behavior.
Speaker 5: I said, he was a bad joke. But yeah, she's
Speaker 5: still don't don't enjoy that memory from that snake, you know.
Speaker 1: So ah, that's funny. Well, hey man, it's been great
Speaker 1: to meet you. Great to have you on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate you coming up here.
Speaker 4: Man, I appreciate y'all. I seriously do. People like you.
Speaker 5: Guys are are the reason why, you know, most of
Speaker 5: us do what we do because y'all have the right
Speaker 5: approach and that means a lot to me.
Speaker 4: So thank you so much, Thank you so much. Opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Pablo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be I'm sure we'll be hearing from you
Speaker 1: in the future. I want to be getting some pictures
Speaker 1: of some big Bucks.
Speaker 5: Yeah man, we'll see. Yeah, well see how it's gonna go.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, definitely yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, keep the wild places wild because that's where
Speaker 1: the Bears live and you might find Pablo there.
Speaker 4: You never know, Hey, just a matter of time of time, yeah,