1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: What's up his way up with Angela Yee And y'all 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: know it is election season, all right, and so I've 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: been telling everybody make sure you pay attention to who's 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: running for office. 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: Know who you want to vote for, have a plan. 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: And to that point, we had Pastor Kenlock here with us, 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: who is running from mayor of Detroit. 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. 10 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Yes, and you know Mary Sheffield's been here yes, a 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: couple of times. So this is our first like sit 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,959 Speaker 1: down conversation. So first of all, congratulations for making it 13 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: like the way that you have, because I know when 14 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: you first announced that you were running to be mayor 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: of Detroit, you had to kind of jump over a 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: lot of people. 17 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, seven people. It was nine people in total in 18 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: the race. And so we came through the primary one 19 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 3: of two. 20 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: And what was that decision like to even say I 21 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: want to announce that I'm running for mayor because it 22 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: was a big to do with the Fox Theater. But 23 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: I know that's not a decision that taken lightly. 24 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: Ever. 25 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 3: Well, I'm from Detroit and being a part of the city, 26 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 3: I grew up in the city where I was living 27 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: in extreme poverty on the West side of Detroit, and 28 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: I lived in a house with no running water, no 29 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: operating utilities, no front door, no back door. And so 30 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 3: I know what it means to live in that city 31 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 3: where people are saying the city is on the brink 32 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: of a revitalization and renaissance, but it hasn't made it 33 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,919 Speaker 3: to your neighborhood, your street, or come to your house. 34 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 3: And so I know what that feels like. And so 35 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: that has fueled me and gave me the fire, even 36 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: as a pastor, using my platform to lift an entire 37 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: community of people and not as a pedestal to lift myself. 38 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: And so I got in this race because we had 39 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 3: a critical point. You have more than fifty one percent 40 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: of the children in the city of Detroit living in poverty. 41 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: You have so much poverty, it's at the high it 42 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: has been since twenty seventeen. Violent crime is the second 43 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: highest in Detroit in the nation. And then you talk 44 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: about three out of four are just struggling to keep 45 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: a roof over their head. And so this is a 46 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 3: critical time and we need new leadership because of the 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 3: leadership has not been working and come through for us 48 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: it's time for us to step up and stand up 49 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: and do it for ourselves. 50 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: If you could think about some positive things that have 51 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: happened though, because Detroit has been a city, like you said, 52 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: when you think about how you grew up. But there 53 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: have been positive changes. But I feel like it has 54 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: to spread throughout from outside of the downtown midtown area 55 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: to the people who are longtime Detroiters. But what are 56 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: some things that you can say, Okay, there have been Oh, definitely. 57 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: When you look at downtown, being in Detroit, coming from Detroit, 58 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: when you look at downtown, there have been some great 59 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 3: things happening. The people in the city of Detroit, including myself, 60 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: are excited about a lot of things that we see 61 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 3: happening in the city. We want our city to experience 62 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: a rebirth in renaissance, and so we don't have a 63 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: problem with all of the good. Some good things have happened. 64 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: What we're saying is that it's not good enough. We've 65 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: come far, but we still got a long ways to go. 66 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: And we want to see intentional and intense investment not 67 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: just in downtown and in midtown. We want to see 68 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 3: that sprinkle throughout the neighborhoods, we want the residents to 69 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: have access to the equity and the equality that they 70 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: experience and they're seeing in downtown Detroit. 71 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: Now, did West the entire debate that you had, and 72 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: I know you, And are you guys going to have 73 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: more conversations? Yes, before, because November fourth is when you 74 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: guys deadline for voting right first too, and Detroit in November. 75 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: Okay, that's our deadline here. So you know, I got 76 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: my early voting. 77 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: Tell everybody make sure you get out and vote early 78 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: if you have the opportunity to do that, because well. 79 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: That's one of the things that I think a lot 80 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: of people weren't paying attention to. This was the first 81 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: election locally that you can vote forty five days before 82 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: election day avy for the mayor of the City of Detroit, Okay, 83 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: And so early voting polls are open, and so it 84 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: gives people an opportunity to start voting much earlier than 85 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: they used to be able to. 86 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's important to me because anything could happen the 87 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: day of and I would much rather feel like I 88 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: got it out of the way. There's a pressure, I know, 89 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: the day of. They don't schedule a meeting up here 90 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: for me after work. I'm like, I don't even know 91 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: if I'm going to make it home, so I'm like, 92 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: I have to make sure that I do that ahead 93 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: of time. So yeah, So I watched that entire debate, 94 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: and I know there were some things that you wanted 95 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: to clarify. 96 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: Afterward. There was a. 97 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: Headline that the National Guard that you were in support 98 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: or would work alongside the National Guard if they were 99 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: to come to Detroit. And I did watch and see 100 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: what you said. So I want you to clarify what 101 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: you said on that. 102 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 3: Stage, now, Yeah, and you know, to be perfectly honest 103 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: with you, that's the garbage of politics when you start 104 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: talking about miscommunication and missing information. I have always stated, 105 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: even before the debate and even that day, that I 106 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: am never for national Guards being on the street of 107 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: an urban city policing the city. That was on the 108 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: record multiple times and interviews before the debate, and on 109 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: the night of debate, the question was asked of me 110 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: about federal resources which we were talking about outside of 111 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 3: National Guard policing the streets of Detroit. We were talking 112 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 3: about what already happens in the city of Detroit, like 113 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: one Detroit initiative where the FBI, the ATF, and other 114 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 3: law enforcement agencies partner with the Wayne County Prosecutor and 115 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: partner with the police department in order to strategize ways 116 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 3: to bring crime down. We just came from a period 117 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: this summer where it was a bloody summer in the 118 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: city of Detroit, and we need collaboration. We don't need 119 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: people police on our streets ever, but what we do 120 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: need is partnerships in order to make sure that we 121 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: holistically and comprehensively dealing with crimes. 122 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: When you think about partnerships, what does that look like 123 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: to you? Like, what are some of the initiatives or 124 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: plans that you feel like could be great partnerships to 125 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: help bring well. 126 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: You know, the real solution or resolve the crime is 127 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: to deal with poverty. And that's the first thing we 128 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: got to get a handle on. We have to admit 129 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: that poverty is a real problem and it has to 130 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 3: be dealt with intensely and intentionally and not that can 131 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 3: kick down the road. When I look at the table, 132 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: when I look at city council, city council is the 133 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:50,119 Speaker 3: legislative body. They create legislation, they create departments, the mayor 134 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 3: administrates it, and the mayor executes it, and so anything 135 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: that the city needs to make a priority and agenda, 136 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: the city council has that power to do right now. 137 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: And when you start boasting and bragging institutional leadership say well, 138 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: we've done a lot in the city of Detroit. We've 139 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: done a lot in the city Detroit, and we built 140 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: a billion dollars of affordable housing. The question becomes, what 141 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: outside experts have we brought in to objectively measure that. 142 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: What Congress have congressional hearings in order to hear from 143 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: the constituents in order to make sure that the metrics 144 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: are measuring up, that it's really helping the people that 145 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: are supposed to get the results. And so we have 146 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: to do a better job of making sure that what 147 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: we say we're doing are we actually doing What we 148 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: would do to intensely deal with poverty is first of all, 149 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 3: we got to start early. I would start with Children 150 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: Trust Fund, making sure that every baby born in the 151 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: City of Detroit receives a seed investment, and then that 152 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: investment will increase every year until they get to the 153 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: age of eighteen. They'll be able to use that money 154 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: to open up a business. They'll be able to use 155 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: that money to go to vocational school or the college, 156 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 3: buy a house, or invest in their community. We also 157 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,119 Speaker 3: have to make sure that we open up vocational opportunities. 158 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: We have high pay competitive industries in the city of Detroit. 159 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: Why are we waiting so late in order to give 160 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: our residents, our children access to those opportunities. We can 161 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: start those opportunities right now. We can partner with ongoing 162 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: continuous learning opportunities with collegess and vocation and skilled trades 163 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: program in order to give our residents an opportunity to participate. 164 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 3: We can open up the faith based community opportunities. We 165 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: did it at Triumph Church. We created something called Kiss 166 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: College on Saturday and from eight o'clock in the morning 167 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 3: to five o'clock in the afternoon, they got breakfast, lunch, 168 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 3: and dinner. But they were able to take over forty 169 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 3: different mentoring programs, stem classes, other opportunities, and we gave 170 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: them incentives. Because we're going to spend money to get 171 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: children who get into trouble out of trouble, why not 172 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 3: be proactive and invest in them and making sure that 173 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: we keep them from getting in trouble. 174 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you had said one thousand dollars a year. 175 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: Was that the number you did put a number on it, right, Yeah, we. 176 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: Started, we were seen we would start the seed offering 177 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: of one thousand dollars and then every year we will 178 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: partner with private and public in order to seed into 179 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: that every year until they got to the age of eighteen, 180 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 3: as long as they continuously stayed in the city of Detroit. 181 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, as long as you stay in the city 182 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: of Detroit. 183 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: And now I want to ask you about this because 184 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: watching that debate, and I know these debates, we're in 185 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: New York in the middle of a fierce election right now. 186 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: You know it's been really intense. But for yourself on 187 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: that stage, because I know a lot of people. You 188 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: have forty thousand people who attend chiumph touches, right, and 189 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: for you to be on that. 190 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: Stat they know, they're don't to all come at the 191 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: same site. Yeah you know how they do. They don't 192 00:09:59,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: come all on the same sig. 193 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: But you do have forty thousand, And I do want 194 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: to say it is something that I feel like with 195 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: the city. There's a lot of people who look at 196 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: you as a leader for what to do, but then 197 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: they also may not necessarily want to see you as 198 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: the mayor, And I see a lot of that in 199 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: the comments where it's like, you know, he's great as 200 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: our pastor, but I don't know that I want to 201 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: see him in this political position. 202 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: How do you respond to that? 203 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 3: Well, I tell people one of the things that I 204 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: was tutored and taught as a child that any people 205 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: that forget their history is destined to repeat it. Or 206 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: when we think about our struggle and our fight, it 207 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: has always been inclusive of the black preacher and the 208 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 3: black church. Somewhere along the way, we've forgotten that the 209 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: church is not just a place, and a preacher is 210 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 3: not just a personality that massage our miserable spots on 211 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: Sunday so that we can engage in motion release. We 212 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 3: have a responsibility, as doctor King tutor and taught us 213 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: to use our platform for social, political, financial, and entrepreneurial opportunities. 214 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: And what benefit is it to us to be leveraging 215 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 3: just spiritually and theologically on Sunday and watch the world 216 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: decay on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. I come from 217 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: a history Detroit has always had ministers and pastors sitting 218 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 3: at the city council table participating in politics. I'm not 219 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: the first pastor that has got into it, and so 220 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: what has happened is that is an argument of the opponent, 221 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: That is chatter of people who are surrogates and supporters. 222 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, that was the argument 223 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 3: they used when I got in the race. There's no 224 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 3: way in the world that Detroit do just wanted to 225 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 3: see a pastor where out of nine people, they made 226 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: me one of those people. And a primary does not 227 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 3: do the same thing a general do. Primary says and 228 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: it gives the opportunity from the voters to say, we 229 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 3: have one or two people that we want to see 230 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: advance to the general, and the general decides who becomes 231 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 3: the next mayor. And I believe that argument from some 232 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 3: of those surrogates and supporters of other people. Don't realize 233 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: that it don't work because they gave me an opportunity 234 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: to get to the general and now the decision will 235 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,599 Speaker 3: be made by the voters. 236 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: How what have you learned from this, because this is 237 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: way different than things you've had to do in the past. 238 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: And I know I've watched other elections. I remember other 239 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: people running for office who are really nice people educated, 240 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, extremely intelligent, greatest intentions, but when it comes 241 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: to politics, there's a lot of mudslinging that happens, and 242 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: it does get people out of character. What are some 243 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,359 Speaker 1: things you've learned about yourself during this process? 244 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: Well, I believe that environment not only build character, I 245 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: believe it reveals whether or not you got any and 246 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: through this process. This process is an extension of the 247 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: work that I've always have been doing because I don't 248 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: believe that we're on a playground. I know that we're 249 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: on a battle ground. I knew when I got into 250 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: this that people in politics people want to say politics 251 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 3: is dirty. I don't believe politics is dirty. I believe 252 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: sometimes the people we allow to get in politics and 253 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: we electing politics make it dirty. I was hopefully optimistic 254 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 3: but not surprised at the level of toxicity that came 255 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: as a result of being in this campaign, because I 256 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: believe that we as a people can do more together. 257 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: And doctor King told us that you can disagree without 258 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: being verbally and violently disagreeable. You can't change other people. 259 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: But one of the things that I hold true to 260 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 3: is but you can dictate and determine how you're going 261 00:13:59,360 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: to respond. 262 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 2: If I was. 263 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: An institutional politician like so many others, the dirt and 264 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: the toxicity from my camp would be so intense. But 265 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: because I'm still a man of faith, I live by 266 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: this principle. The founder of my faith was a man 267 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: that came to save the world, and they hung him 268 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: up on a cross and they crucify him. Now, if 269 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 3: they gonna do that to him, how much less do 270 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: I expect that they would try to do to me, 271 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: just trying to help my community and help the world. 272 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: You know, so you were at the No King's rally 273 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: as well. What was that experience like for you? 274 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: It was a continuation to remind us that this country 275 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: is not a totalitarianism. We don't reserve government and politics 276 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: to aristocrats and bureaucrats. This government was built by the 277 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: people for the people, to benefit good and deliver services 278 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: to people. And we need to get back to that. 279 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: We need to stop believing that people are entitled to 280 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: these seats and only the privilege to and few should 281 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: sit in d seats of power. I like what Edie 282 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: Gaul says that professor at Princeton University when he says 283 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: on the title of this book, we have to become 284 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: the type of leaders that we're looking for, and we 285 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: got to hold our leaders accountable that we put in place. 286 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: And so being there that day was just a reminder 287 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: that all of us got a responsibility to make this 288 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: country hold true to what it promised, that every man 289 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 3: has an unabable right to pursue happiness in his own 290 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: individual way. 291 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: You know, we are in the middle of this government 292 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: shut down. We don't know when it's going to end. 293 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: How have you seen Detroit affected by this shutdown so far? 294 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: Well, you know, whenever you start talking about resources and 295 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 3: a community that has already been stretched thin, it doesn't 296 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: make it any easier when you got employees that have 297 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: got to find a way to make it do what 298 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: to do without having the resources that is accustomed to. 299 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: And so it's just a microcosm of what we're going 300 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: to continue to have to continue to do for each other, 301 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: look out for each other, because we see it happening 302 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: all across the board. Long before the shut down, we 303 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: saw resources being pulled back from the state level, from 304 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 3: the city level, and so we're going to have to 305 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: continue to do what we've been doing in the past, collaborating, 306 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: and that's what I've spent twenty seven years doing doing COVID. 307 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: When we didn't know how our children were going to 308 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: continue to learn, we stepped up and went out and 309 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 3: bought ten thousand laptops, thousands of laptops and distributed to 310 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: the community. We went up to Mike's Fresh Market in 311 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: Detroit on seven Mile in Libanois and we went out 312 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: and said, hey, man, when you put in your order, 313 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: put in an order so we can feed thousands of 314 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: families on a weekly basis. And so when someone says, 315 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 3: why why would a preacher get into this because we're 316 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 3: not seeing the people in the seat doing what they 317 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: should be doing. Because if they were, I wouldn't have 318 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: to get in it. I would continue to do what 319 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: I have been doing, supporting the people that were already 320 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: on the field. 321 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: I want to ask you this too. I always wonder 322 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: this when people are running for office. There are certain 323 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: people that you were cool with and then you see 324 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: them maybe they're supporting another candidate, and you know, everybody 325 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: has their yes, So how does that affect relationships moving forward? 326 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: I've always wondered that because sometimes you could have the 327 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: best you know, thinking like, okay, this person is definitely 328 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: in my corner. But then when it comes time to 329 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: say who is it that I'm supporting, and who am 330 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: I going to go out and say this is who 331 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm endorsing and it's not you. How does that affect 332 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: things moving forward? 333 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 3: Well, there's a political creole that I heard as a child. 334 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 3: No permanent in it, no permanent and so if you 335 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: walk into it like that, you understand. But the other 336 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 3: part of that is that in the life of Joseph, 337 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: one of the biblical characters that you know, I've studied, 338 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 3: it's a reminder to us that many times you don't 339 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: mean as much to other people as you think you do. 340 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: And when you come to that realization, you don't take 341 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 3: it personal. At the end of the day, I don't 342 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: do good expecting that the person I did good too 343 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: to do good back to me. I do good because 344 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: good is just a good and a godly thing to do. 345 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: And so when you go through life from that perspective, 346 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 3: you understand that you don't move based upon what you 347 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: believe you're gonna get in return. You do it because 348 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: it's the right thing to do. And as long as 349 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: I hold true to that, whatever happens in this race. 350 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: We'll still be able to move past it because all 351 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: of us hopefully want to see the exactly the lives 352 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 3: of the people in that city get better. 353 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 2: Right, you know? 354 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: And I'm also thinking about being in this situation. There's 355 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: a lot of things that get brought up. There's a 356 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: lot of big headlines, and I know you must feel 357 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: like you want to address things, like I saw something 358 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: about this AMC movie theater that was purchased, So I 359 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: want you to just let us know, like what's going 360 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: on with that theater that was supposed to be you. 361 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 3: Well, well, what you have is and a lot of 362 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: that is just garbage, okay, and just flat out lies. 363 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: The Triumph Church is more than one hundred years of age, 364 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 3: and we over the years have made multiple purchases. And 365 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: so when you purchase a building from a land contract perspective, 366 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 3: when we initially purchased it and then we later because 367 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 3: initially we put it down a tremendous down payment, we 368 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 3: later financed the balance of that building after we have 369 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 3: paid much of it down, So we financed a balance 370 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: of that. We created a holding company which I do 371 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,239 Speaker 3: not own, which I'm just the resident agent of, just 372 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: like the church I'm a resident agent of the church, 373 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 3: and that's just the person that files, is responsible for 374 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 3: filing and annual reports at the end of the day. 375 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 3: That's the mere extent of it at the end of day. 376 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 3: And you do that in order to make sure that 377 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: you protect the church and you protect a liability. It's 378 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 3: a two hundred thousand square foot building on more than 379 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 3: twenty acres, and so it's just an entity to restrict liabilities. 380 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 3: The other thing is that when we initially purchased that 381 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: construction was one hundred to two hundred dollars of square foot. 382 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: Now construction is four to five hundred dollars square foot. 383 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: So through this process, when you start a one way, 384 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: you start exploring other opportunities. And right now we've had 385 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: the building under contract for major development and right now 386 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 3: I'm entertaining five developments for that particular property, and so 387 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 3: that property is still the property and the possession of 388 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: the triump Church community. 389 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: Did you anticipate all of this, like digging into everything? 390 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I know it in politics when people run 391 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: for office, this is what happens, but when you're in it, 392 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: it's a little different than before. 393 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: Well, it's amazing to me how people just lie and 394 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 3: it's amazing to me. And when people say stuff coming up, 395 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: we only talking about one guy is doing this, one 396 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 3: guy who came to our camp and we wouldn't do 397 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: this to our opponent. 398 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: So he went to Okay, so I saw that story too, 399 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: Robert Davis. 400 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, they said, yeah, this is the same person. Everything 401 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: that you say coming up is Robert. 402 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: Davis and I he said he was planning to sue 403 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 2: as well. 404 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll see a lawyer. He's suing multiple people. He 405 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 3: has a history of suing at the end of the day. 406 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 3: But that instance, at the end of the day. I mean, 407 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: anybody that's got a filing fee can sue at the 408 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: end of the days. 409 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: I always say one thing about being in business and 410 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: being successful, get ready for some lawsuits. 411 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: I remember my first lawsuit. I was devastated. Now it's 412 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: just a. 413 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to make sure just because people and 414 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 3: our community have to always remember just because people say 415 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 3: something don't mean it's true. And you have someone here 416 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 3: that is frivolous with its claims at the end of 417 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: the day, and social media gives people an opportunity and 418 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 3: platforms to say stuff sometimes that is not just flat 419 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: out true. I've had twenty seven years of honoring the 420 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 3: people in that city with character and integrity, and they 421 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 3: shot all of this, even doing the primary and the 422 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: people can see past the smoke in the mirrors and 423 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 3: know who's been with them all the time. 424 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: You know, you've been doing this work, the Lord's work, 425 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: since you were fourteen years old. Talk to me about 426 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: those early beginnings, because I can't imagine being fourteen and 427 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: knowing what I wanted to do with my life. 428 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: Well, I've always had people around me who supported me. 429 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 3: I came up in a church that celebrated who we 430 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 3: were as a people and as a community, and I 431 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 3: got a sense very early that my life wasn't just 432 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: live for me. My life was called for a greater 433 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 3: purpose and a greater intent, and it was to be 434 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 3: used to be a benefit and a blessing to the world. 435 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: And that wasn't going to come with comfort and convenience. 436 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 3: It was sometimes going to come with much criticism. But 437 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: despite the criticism, we have a calling to continue to 438 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 3: make sure that we lift up our fellow man. And 439 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 3: so just being around people is what motivates me to 440 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 3: make sure we're creating those kind of environments for our 441 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: children in a community, because when we put our children 442 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 3: in the right environments, they don't just survive, they learn 443 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 3: how to thrive. They don't just fly the sowred. And 444 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: so I'm just paying it forward. I'm just doing for 445 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: other people what somebody was able to do for me. 446 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: Now could say this is what needs to happen the 447 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: first thirty days when the new mayor takes office. What 448 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: are some of the first things that you would say 449 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: have got to be the priorities. 450 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 3: Well, we want to make sure that we have the 451 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 3: continuity of services, making sure that people know just because 452 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 3: leadership change, that the quality of their services should not change. 453 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 3: They should not go down, they should go up. And 454 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 3: that's nine one one calls an answered, trash is being 455 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: picked up, lights are kept on. So those continuity of 456 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 3: services should take place. The second thing is we have 457 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: to create a homelessness strikeforce. We have to be intentional 458 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 3: about homelessness in the city of Detroit. That can has 459 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: been kicked down the road too long. The other thing 460 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 3: we need to do is make sure we do an evaluation, 461 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: a valuation evaluation of our leadership to make sure that 462 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 3: they understand that there needs to be metrics in place, 463 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: and what are they going to do different, what strategies 464 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 3: are they going to use in order to make sure 465 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 3: they're delivering services for the people at the level that 466 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 3: the citizens of Detroit deserve. We need to make sure 467 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 3: we reaching out to Lansing, we reaching out going to Washington, 468 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 3: making sure that were having conversations about where we can 469 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 3: collaborate and where we can work together in order to 470 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 3: improve the lives of our people in the city of Detroit. 471 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 3: And then we need to make sure that we have 472 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: the right team in place. And with that team, we 473 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: want to make sure that we bringing together because the 474 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 3: mayor not only can cast vision communicate it, he can 475 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 3: convene the table. And what I'll do is convene a 476 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 3: table of business leaders, residents, unions, philanthropy and create an 477 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: office of Philanthropy where we come together and the community 478 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 3: participates in the reimagining of what their community looks like. 479 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 2: All right, we like that, you know. 480 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to also talk to you more about what 481 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: has been done. What do you think about how would 482 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: you rate Mike Duggan as the mayor of Detroit and 483 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: the work that he's done. 484 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: Well, I'll be honest with you Mike Duggan doesn't need 485 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: me to service as pr person. 486 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: Now, I just want to know what you think of 487 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: as a lifetime detroitter. 488 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 2: You know, just how do you think he did. 489 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 3: Mike Duggan has done some good things as it relates 490 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 3: to downtown and the financial stability of the city of Detroit. 491 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: What I would have liked to see is that to 492 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 3: be more inclusive and more intentional in a way that 493 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 3: pulled not just a sect of the city in it, 494 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 3: but a holistic approach and a comprehensive approach that made 495 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: more of the residents of the city feel a part 496 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 3: of it. 497 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: How do you feel about the balance of outside investors 498 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: coming in and people who actually are from the city 499 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: and have been there having the opportunity also to become 500 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: home own. 501 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 3: Well, we got it, and that's one of the areas 502 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 3: we have to do a better job at. We have 503 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 3: to make sure that when we're talking about contracts and procurement. 504 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 3: We got to make sure that when we talk about 505 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 3: development that the same resources that we give big businesses downtown. 506 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: No one is mad about what they see happening downtown. 507 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 3: What people are frustrated and upset about is that they 508 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: haven't seen that spillover those same resources, those same access, 509 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: those tax incentives, those tax captures, those abatements, those credits. 510 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: They haven't seen that accessible to the rest of the city. 511 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: We got thirty eight thousand small businesses in the city 512 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 3: of Detroit. Just think about if those businesses got access 513 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: to those resources. Just think about if we incentivize those 514 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 3: businesses hiring one person a piece and giving them tax 515 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 3: credits and incentives in order to do that would be 516 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: one of the largest job quotes we've seen in recent times. 517 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 3: And so those are the kind of things that we 518 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 3: want to do to make sure Detroit is working in 519 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 3: a way where it's a city that benefits all. We 520 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 3: need to build a Detroit that works for not just some, 521 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: but works for everybody. 522 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: They have been constantly talking about how the new millionaires 523 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: are the plumbers, the HVAC people, the electricians. I've always 524 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: felt like Detroit has so much work that still needs 525 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: to be done. Like you said, outside that, I was like, 526 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: if I was there full time, I would be like 527 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: a general contractor. That's what I always say, because there 528 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: is so much opportunity. When I look at things that 529 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: are there and I think it's such an amazing place 530 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: for people to be able to thrive. 531 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: And we have to make sure that our citizens are 532 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 3: given the opportunity to be prepared for when the development 533 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 3: come that they can participate and not have developments happen 534 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: in the city of Detroit and they say whether they 535 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 3: can't find quality individuals to do the work. We got 536 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: to do a better job of making sure that before 537 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: these opportunities are in the ground, that our people are 538 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 3: positioned and they are able to take advantage of them. 539 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: Yes, there's nothing like finding somebody good and reliable exactly 540 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: to get some work done. They will get a billion referrals, 541 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: all right, exactly. 542 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: Firstly for me, so I want to go back to 543 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 2: the debate. 544 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: Now, one thing that was said during the debate is 545 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: we need more than rhetoric, we need action, right, And 546 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: you and Mary Sheffield had a back and forth about 547 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: basically you were in a position to have done things 548 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: just like she's in a position to have, you know, 549 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: twelve years in city council. 550 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, But the difference is I'm not an elected official. 551 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 3: I was not elected president of the City Council, and 552 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: I didn't have a three billion dollar budget to get 553 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: it done. What I did was I did it without 554 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 3: nobody asking me to do it. I did it because 555 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 3: it needed to be done. When you elect somebody, you 556 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: elect somebody to do a job. And when you have 557 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: been elected to do a job, they elected her to 558 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: administrate the budget at the end of the day, and 559 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: leadership cannot be rubber stamping. When Mike Duggan comes over 560 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 3: and hand you a budget, if you know that poverty 561 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 3: is going up, if you know that the majority of 562 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: the children in the city are in poverty, and if 563 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 3: you don't know, that's negligence. And if you do know, 564 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: that's intentional to know that that is going on in 565 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: the city. And a budget is sent over to you 566 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: and you see that the prioritization of the budget is 567 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 3: not addressing any of that. That's the opportunity as a 568 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 3: leader to have checks and balances in order to leverage 569 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 3: that in order to say we need to do some reprioritization. 570 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 3: For twelve years to see that going on and you 571 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 3: say it has not been enough, has not been done, 572 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 3: You've been given opportunity sitting at the table to be 573 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 3: the checking balances of the people in order to do that, 574 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 3: and so anything that you know city councils say that 575 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 3: they want to do they got the power to do 576 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 3: it right now. They got the power to create and 577 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: give the mayor the responsibility to administer and to execute. 578 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 3: And when you've had twelve years and you failed at that, 579 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: I don't know a job you can fail at twelve 580 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 3: years and then go on and get a promotion from it. 581 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I would say anybody would say it's never 582 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: enough right when we can say enough has not been done, 583 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: you know, that is always like, look, we've made some strides, 584 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: but it's still not enough. 585 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 3: If yeah, but angel look at Angela, look at this. 586 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,479 Speaker 3: We're talking about the majority of the kids. I just 587 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 3: sat in your green room and saw the paper here. 588 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: That's why New Yorkers, despite all of the rhetoric of 589 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: the media and stuff going on, that's why they are 590 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 3: definitive about we want something different. When you looking at 591 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 3: you know, kids, the majority of a kid in city 592 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 3: and poverty, you can't we can't do victory laps talking 593 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 3: about what we achieve. No matter what we've done, it 594 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 3: ain't work. And so if you see what you're doing 595 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: has not worked, at some point, you got to be 596 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 3: open and receptive to do something different. The best idea is, 597 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 3: it appears to me, are the ones that they've already had, 598 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 3: because if they had better ones, they would have achieved them. 599 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: And so at this point we got to be open 600 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 3: to trying something different, something new. And out of the 601 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: two of us, I'm the only one that has been 602 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 3: a CEO, I'm the only one that is head up 603 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,479 Speaker 3: for organization. I'm the only one that has had to 604 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 3: build organization, that has had to administrate programs and budgets 605 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 3: and staff, recruit and train. And if I can do 606 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 3: that with a church that had less than one hundred 607 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 3: people and mammothan mofed that organization and to more than 608 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 3: forty thousand families across the metropolitan area, if I can 609 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: do that with a church, just give me an opportunity 610 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: to show you what I can do with an entire city. 611 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: Well, listen. 612 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: And one of the things y'all talked about was that 613 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: you guys aren't in charge of the education system, but 614 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: there are things that you can do. Yes, Okay, So 615 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: when you think about those things that can be done, 616 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: and I know we talked first about the one thousand 617 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: dollars grant, but when it comes to the education system. 618 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: What do you see a way. 619 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: That the mayor can help boost Like you said, the 620 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: kids are below the education level that they should be at. 621 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: What are some things that can happen. 622 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that the Kinlock Plan and 623 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 3: promise will deliver is a chief educational officer. The residents 624 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 3: in the city of Detroit have already decided that they 625 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 3: don't want to observe theiruthority of a school board. They 626 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 3: want an elected school board, and they want the elected 627 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 3: school board a point a superintendent. So, although it's not 628 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 3: the mayor's job, it's still the mayor's responsibility because you 629 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 3: cannot have a city that come back and a school 630 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 3: district don't come back with them. And so one of 631 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 3: the things that we would do is a point a 632 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 3: person because we have to deal with the social ills 633 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 3: that's crippling our children from showing up to a classroom 634 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 3: and able to learn before they get there. I know 635 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 3: what that feel like. I know the embarrassment and the 636 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 3: shame that comes with showing up in a classroom when 637 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 3: you ain't got decent clothes to put on, or either 638 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 3: underclosed to put on, when you got holes and the 639 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 3: soles of your shoes and you ain't had no food. 640 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 3: They have to have the resources they need to thrive, 641 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 3: and so what we would do is have a person 642 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 3: that would leverage the city's resources and relationships in order 643 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 3: to make sure that they're getting all of those tools 644 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 3: and those essensions that they need before they show up. 645 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 3: They can't show up and they live in a food 646 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 3: desert and no grocery stores in the neighborhood, they can't 647 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,399 Speaker 3: show up, and they don't have access to mental health 648 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 3: professionals in order to help them and their families. They 649 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 3: can't show up if they can't make it to school 650 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 3: safe because they are living in crime infested areas and 651 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 3: along their route. They can't make it to school, if 652 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 3: they don't have adequate and reliable transportation, and so there's 653 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 3: so many things. They can't make it. If they don't 654 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 3: have housing, they can't make it, if their family don't 655 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 3: have resources. So what the Chief Educational Officer would do 656 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 3: would be not just wait until they get to the school. 657 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: They will make sure that we're making sure that intentional 658 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 3: programs are put in place to give them the comprehensive 659 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 3: assistance and their family comprehensive assistance they need so that 660 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 3: they can show up in a way that they can 661 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 3: win every time. 662 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: All right, Well, listen again, people can vote now, right they. 663 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 3: Yes, they can vote. They can vote right now. They 664 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 3: can vote for Solomon Kinlock right now. 665 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: Well, Pastor Kenlock, it was a good sit down. Thank 666 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: you for coming by. 667 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 2: Thank you. 668 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 3: It's my honor to be here with you. 669 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 2: And spending some time with us. Today. We'll be keeping 670 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: our eye on everything that's been going on. 671 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Thank you for the invitation. 672 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 2: Of course, it's our pleasure. All right, it's way up