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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Remember the name Carly Russell, Well, I will never forget it.

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Speaker 2: Carly Russell is the beautiful young twenty five year old

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Speaker 2: Alabama woman who is the kidnap hoaxer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did you see where I was going with that beautiful

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Speaker 2: young twenty five year old kidnap hoaxer? She had it

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Speaker 2: all going for her and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: she fakes her disappearance, claims that she saw a toddler

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Speaker 2: wandering by the side of the interstate and was.

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Speaker 3: Pulling over to help him. You can hear the night

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Speaker 2: It's painful to listen to it because for days we

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Speaker 2: thought someone had kidnap Carlie Russell and was attacking her,

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Speaker 2: raping her or killing her. We didn't know what the

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Speaker 2: whole time. It was a big bat hoax. Oh well,

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Speaker 2: listen to this. Carlie Russell found guilty and now listen

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Speaker 2: to this. She's still walking free. I mean, see, Grace,

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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here

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Speaker 2: at Thanks for being with us here at Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: And on serious x sem one eleven, the twenty five

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Speaker 2: year old just convicted on two misdemeanor charges of lying

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Speaker 2: to cops after she claims she saw a child a

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Speaker 2: toddler on a highway and then claims she's abducted. Each

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Speaker 2: one of those charges is a Class A misdemeanor and

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Speaker 2: carries up to one year behind bars, but she didn't

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Speaker 2: go behind bars. She is appealing the ruling to a

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Speaker 2: circuit court. Well Carlie Russell twenty five snagged all the

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Speaker 2: headlines when she went missing, and her nine mom on

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Speaker 2: call was played over and over and over on every

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Speaker 2: single news outlet you can imagine, and we certainly covered

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Speaker 2: her disappearance on crime stories hoping to find her. She

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Speaker 2: reported seeing this toddler by the side of the road

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Speaker 2: and you can hear her getting out of the car

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, she disappears. She also

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Speaker 2: called her brother's girlfriend claiming the same story about the

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Speaker 3: Screamed into the phone.

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Speaker 2: Then she goes missing for two days in which her

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Speaker 2: family was in excruciating pain.

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Speaker 3: Wondering what had happened to her, only to.

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Speaker 2: Emerge claiming a man with quote orange here kidnapped her,

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Speaker 2: claiming she been kidnapped, and she spun quite an elaborate

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Speaker 2: tell about how she escaped. Well several times to her freedom.

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Speaker 2: A huge search ensued, her now ex boyfriend sharing all

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Speaker 2: their loving photos of them together here, and they're begging,

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Speaker 2: begging for help, complaining that.

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Speaker 3: The media wasn't covering her disappearance the way.

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Speaker 2: He wanted them to. M Well, they broke up, and

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Speaker 2: I guess you can see why. How did this whole

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Speaker 4: Question is where was she for those forty nine hours?

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Speaker 4: She said she stayed ends Hoover the entire time and

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Speaker 4: no one helped her. So where was she for those

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Speaker 4: forty nine hours?

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Speaker 3: Where did she sleep? Where did she stay?

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Speaker 4: How did she leave that area where she abandoned her

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Speaker 4: red Mercedes Sedan.

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Speaker 2: You're hearing our friends at WVTM with me and all

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Speaker 2: Star pal to make sense of what we know right now.

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Speaker 2: But for those of you just joining us on the

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Speaker 2: story of twenty five year old Carly Russell, who says

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Speaker 2: that she is only trying to render a to a

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Speaker 3: Nothing but a diaper and a shirt.

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Speaker 2: Then she goes missing for forty nine hours, throwing her

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Speaker 3: They're not getting any of that money back.

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Speaker 2: The boyfriend that defended her to the hilt has now

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Speaker 2: broken up with her and says, quote, I'm disgusted.

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Speaker 3: Well, I second that emotion. Guys, I want you.

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Speaker 2: To hear what the chief of the Hoover PD has

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Speaker 5: Mister Anthony asked that I read the statement in its entirety,

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Speaker 5: which I will do now. My client has given me

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Speaker 5: was no kidnapping on Thursday July nineteen thirteenth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: My client did not see a baby on the side

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Speaker 5: did not have any hell in this incident. But this

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Speaker 5: was a single act done by herself. My client was

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand that that is Chief Nick Durvis

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Speaker 2: who has been given a statement by Curly Russell. Woman,

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Speaker 2: get out there and apologize yourself for Pete's sake. But

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Speaker 2: you're hearing from Curly Russell, through her lawyer, through the chief.

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Speaker 3: But I want you to hear this too.

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Speaker 2: Now you hear the chief saying there was no baby,

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Speaker 2: there was no one in danger.

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Speaker 3: I was never missing.

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Speaker 2: Now take a listen to our cut seven the nine

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Speaker 6: Is four for seventy one forty Its going to be

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Speaker 6: a child walking on the three four year old child

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Speaker 6: Let's how the child's been abandoned.

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Speaker 7: On the side of the ridge for.

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Speaker 6: A little home. Negative. But she's saying that she would

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Speaker 6: stand by for police. Forty two call RP back, she's

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Speaker 2: Now remember police got to the scene in about four

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Speaker 3: Nine moment call.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's listen to Carl Russell in her own words

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Speaker 2: the detail I was mentioning earlier in our cut thirteen.

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Speaker 9: Where's your records?

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Speaker 3: I am on Interstate four fifty.

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Speaker 10: Nine, and there is a key just walking.

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Speaker 3: By their selves.

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Speaker 6: Hold on, hold on?

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Speaker 10: Where where i'm fourteen?

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Speaker 9: Are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm right next to the exit exit team.

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Speaker 3: Okay? And where you're headed southbound or northbound toward.

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Speaker 10: And what's the child on the left or right side.

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Speaker 10: They're walking towards Tuscalusave walking southbound?

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Speaker 12: The toddlers like maybe like three or four?

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Speaker 10: Did you pull over with them?

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Speaker 3: Are you still with them?

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Speaker 10: Are you with the child right now?

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Speaker 7: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 12: I didn't get out of the car.

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Speaker 6: I'm just I can see them though.

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Speaker 10: Can you do you mind staying and keep an eye

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah.

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Speaker 3: What kind of car are you in?

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Speaker 10: I'm in a red Mercedes Ben and the a Saedana.

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Speaker 9: Or SCV suv.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's a sedan start.

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Speaker 10: Can you put your hazards off for me? Yeah, they're

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Speaker 10: Do they look like they're injured?

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Speaker 6: No, they don't.

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Speaker 2: I love listening to this I woman call because I

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Speaker 2: know every word she says is a big fat lie.

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Speaker 2: And can you imagine her in her red Mercedes at

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Speaker 2: night conjuring up this lie and it's intricate detail.

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Speaker 3: Listen to more Cut fifteen.

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Speaker 9: Are they wife like.

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Speaker 3: A shank or angel? They're white?

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Speaker 10: As a male or female? I think it's a boy,

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Speaker 10: a little boy. I'm right now. Okay. If you wearing clothes, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 9: A white T shirt.

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Speaker 12: And it doesn't look like he has any pants on.

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Speaker 13: It looks like a diaper.

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Speaker 10: And you don't see any cars anywhere?

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Speaker 3: No, no cars anywhere? Okay, all right, what's your name?

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Speaker 10: My name is Carli Russells.

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Speaker 3: And you don't see any injuries on the shop from

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Speaker 10: All right, I've got them on the way, okay, just

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Speaker 6: But the offsters are on the way, okay.

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Speaker 3: They think, man, she's such a good samaritan.

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Speaker 2: A good samaritan that costs the taxpayers that's US about

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Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars and costs well wishers and those

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Speaker 2: who want to help nearly seventy thousand dollars in donations

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Speaker 2: that they're not going to get back.

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Speaker 3: With me an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: But can I first go to Cheryl McCollum, founder director

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Speaker 2: of the Cold Case Research Institute, star of Zone seven,

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Speaker 2: a Hitting You podcast, and you can find her at

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Speaker 2: Coldcasecrimes dot org.

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Speaker 3: Cheryl. Really, he's wearing nothing but a diaper and I

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Speaker 3: can't tell if he has on any shoes.

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Speaker 2: And he's a white male about three or four years old,

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Speaker 2: and I'm so worried. I'm so worried that I'm not

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Speaker 2: getting out of my car, of course, but I am worried,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to follow him for six hundred yards

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Speaker 2: in my car, that six football fields as I try.

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Speaker 3: Boy, that little tot should.

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Speaker 2: Be in the Olympics if it can go that fast

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Speaker 2: and nothing but a diaper and barefoot. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: story reaped on day one. That's why I didn't cover

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Speaker 2: it exactly on day one, because it was a lie.

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Speaker 2: He was obviously a lie. And we have actual people

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Speaker 2: that are really missing, being raped, being sex traffick, being killed.

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Speaker 2: And here's this girl making up a whole big deal

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Speaker 2: because what I just want somebody to love me.

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Speaker 3: Really get online, woman, there are millions of people out

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Speaker 3: there that will love you. But why do this? What

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Speaker 12: You make excellent points, But let's hope for a second

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Speaker 12: about what. We don't hear her say. We don't hear

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Speaker 12: her say please hurry, We don't hear her say help.

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Speaker 12: We don't hear her say I'm going to go out

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Speaker 12: and try to save him so that he doesn't get

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Speaker 2: Curly Russell, the kidnapped faker. She's right up there with

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Speaker 2: same headlines. She was working at a very upscale spa.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I went to that location

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Speaker 2: sap sapp Savannah what and the Hey? If this girl

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Speaker 10: It's it's honestly confusing to say the least. You know,

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, you can't go to jail for telling

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Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong. Shell Nut with me.

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Speaker 2: James shell nutt high profile lawyer out of this jurisdiction

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Speaker 3: But listen to this twenty seven years metro major case.

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Speaker 3: As a cop, including Swatt, that's not easy.

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Speaker 2: Former prosecutor, he actually prosecuted false report cases. You know what,

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Speaker 2: I had so many felonies coming on my ears. I

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Speaker 16: It absolutely is. And it's because you are about to

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Speaker 3: It's perjury. Perjury is a crime.

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Speaker 2: Now I want to point out that Carly Russell is

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Speaker 3: It's so called runaway bride Chloe Stein.

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Speaker 2: But you know another thing when it comes to those cases,

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Speaker 2: Sherry Pepini blamed two unidentified Hispanic women, and she proceeded

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Speaker 2: Who does she blame, Sidney, You got to blame somebody,

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Speaker 2: And in this case, Carly Russell is blaming again a

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Speaker 2: Out all the stops, what all was done to find Carly,

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Speaker 11: They're going to pull every resource they can get on

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Speaker 2: It looks like the kidnapped faker from Alabama, Carly Russell,

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Speaker 3: I do that she.

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Speaker 9: But does she know the difference between right and wrong?

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Speaker 13: She heard Carly scream and then nothing but sounds from

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Speaker 13: the interstate.

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Speaker 2: So I want you to take into account the level

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Speaker 2: of detail in her nine on one call, but also

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Speaker 2: she said the same lie to her own family. Listen

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Speaker 2: to cut three fox ten, just of.

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Speaker 6: Ours, her vehicles on log running, all our personal belongs,

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Speaker 6: you could set for her phone.

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Speaker 13: When police got there, Carly was gone, herms me sades

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Speaker 13: still running. Friends, family, and strangers on the internet did

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Speaker 13: their part to find her, and then perhaps a clue.

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Speaker 8: Saturday night, Montgomery Highway at the red roofs and family

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Speaker 8: members at a flcation and saying they received a call

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Speaker 8: from the female that's missing Carly Russell.

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Speaker 13: Family members say they showed up to knock on doors

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Speaker 13: and find her, but she wasn't there.

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Speaker 2: Police have used every synonym for a lie. They're saying

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Speaker 2: things like, we can't corroborate, we can't confirm, no evidence

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Speaker 2: of so forth and so on.

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Speaker 3: I had nauseum. But what it boils down to.

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Speaker 2: Is this woman lied, sent police and volunteers on a

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Speaker 2: wild goose chase to the tune of at least a

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Speaker 2: quarter of a million dollars, while we think she was

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Speaker 2: shocked up somewhere enjoying the attention vicariously that she was

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Speaker 2: Receiving with Me Again, an all star panel to make

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Speaker 2: sense of what we know right now with me Lee Reeber,

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Speaker 2: device forensic expert, CEO of Oxygen Forensics, Inc.

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Speaker 3: An author of mobile.

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Speaker 2: Forensics investigations, also hosts a podcast, Forensic Happy Hour.

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Speaker 3: Lee.

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Speaker 2: I believe since her cell phone was left behind, she

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Speaker 2: may have had another phone. So how do we go

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Speaker 2: about tracking what she was doing in order to make

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Speaker 2: a case of perjury.

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Speaker 15: Well, you know, it always comes down to you, right

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Speaker 15: is your digital life?

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Speaker 11: If you look at all of.

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Speaker 15: The cases where it turns out that they have been lying,

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Speaker 15: it comes down to you know, law enforcement just looking

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Speaker 15: at that digital life. And the interesting thing about this

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Speaker 15: or is in hohover Allabana is the NCFI, which is

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Speaker 15: a National Computer Forensic Institute, one of the one of

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Speaker 15: the best places to go to learn how to collect

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Speaker 15: digital data. So it's probably the wrong place that you're

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Speaker 15: going to be lying over your social media, if you're

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Speaker 15: going to be utilizing your phone, or if you have

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Speaker 15: another phone, because quite honestly, they're going to be able

495
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Speaker 15: to review your digital life. They're going to find and

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Speaker 15: locate you if you're using another device, if you're just

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Speaker 15: in the area, so again trying to utilize social media.

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Speaker 15: Even prior to this, they had that timeline. Once they

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Speaker 15: had a timeline, I'm sure that they assumes that came out.

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Speaker 15: They had the information that she was not telling the.

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Speaker 3: Truth, not telling the truth.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's one way of putting it. Guys, It's

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Speaker 2: happened many times before. Take a listen to our friends

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Speaker 2: at WZTM and cut fifty nine B.

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Speaker 4: Brother Eric Guster says he worries this case could affect

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Speaker 4: future missing person's cases.

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Speaker 17: Is going to be much more difficult for African American

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Speaker 17: women to be believed, and it may actually decrease the

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Speaker 17: number of actual reports of things because people are already

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Speaker 17: afraid that they won't be believed.

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Speaker 4: Auguster says, the police chief outlined three crimes that they

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Speaker 4: believe Carly has committed. That's that's lying to authorities and

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Speaker 4: filing a false police report.

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Speaker 2: We all remember the case of Jesse Smollette.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to this like a star on the show.

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Speaker 18: Police body camera video shows the moment officers first arrived

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Speaker 18: at Jesse Smollette's apartment after the actor claimed he'd been attacked.

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Speaker 18: Smolette still has what appears to be a noose around

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Speaker 18: his neck.

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Speaker 10: You want to take it off for anything.

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Speaker 18: Smolette told police he was assaulted by two masked men

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Speaker 18: yelling racist and homophobic slurs. For more than three weeks.

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Speaker 3: At least twenty four.

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Speaker 18: Detectives searched for the two men and investigated Smollette's claims.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we're talking about Jesse Smollette. He ended up paying

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Speaker 2: about one hundred and twenty thousand dollars of restitution. He

527
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Speaker 2: got a fifteen days behind bars for filing a false

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Speaker 2: report to Cheryl McCollum, what exactly went into the search

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Speaker 2: for Carly Russell.

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Speaker 12: They had air helicopter land, they had people on foot,

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Speaker 12: they had canines, They had her cell phone being looked at.

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Speaker 12: They were interviewing family, friends and co workers. They pulled

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Speaker 12: everybody off, you know, having days off. This was a

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Speaker 12: full court press. Every available person, including citizens that came

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Speaker 12: to volunteer.

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Speaker 11: Nancy.

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Speaker 12: She had the SBI, the Secret Service, Hoover Police, Alabama

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Speaker 12: State Police, she had you and Crime Online, she had

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Speaker 12: the Today Show. Think of the resources that were given

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Speaker 12: to her. And every homicide, true missing person, child on station,

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Speaker 12: aggravated assault, domestic violence, they were all put on hold

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Speaker 12: to search for her because they believed time was of

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Speaker 12: the essence. But I want to say something very clearly,

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Speaker 12: she didn't fool everybody. Because you and I were talking

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Speaker 12: Saturday and Sundays. We knew it was bogus.

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Speaker 2: On tay one because it didn't add up. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the story didn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: How many times did you and I.

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Speaker 2: Look at that video scouring it, blowing it up, playing

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Speaker 2: in a slow moke. There was no boy walking along

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Speaker 2: the side of the interstate.

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Speaker 3: That was all a big.

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Speaker 1: Light Prime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: I know Carli Russell's parents must be mortified. They're upstanding.

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Speaker 2: Her mother's realtor, her father is a at a bank.

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Speaker 2: They live in a nearly million dollar home, both holding

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Speaker 2: down steady jobs. They never missed a day work. Then

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Speaker 2: up to ups this daughter and fakes kidnapping the judge

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Speaker 2: ordering restitution for all the man hours she sucked up

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Speaker 2: while we were all looking for her, specifically police forces

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Speaker 2: and beyond. But so far she's managed to dodge jail. Why.

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Speaker 3: It's a complicated legal issue. Let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: Following her confession through her lawyer, Emery Anthony, many people assume, well, Hey,

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Speaker 2: she confessed. I guess she's going to plead guilty, but huh, surprised.

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Speaker 2: She pled not guilty to the two misdemeanor charges about

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Speaker 2: lying to police about being kidnapped and seeing a child

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Speaker 2: on the interstate. Well after her not guilty plea, the

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Speaker 2: judge made a procedural decision to find her guilty based

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Speaker 2: on the stipulation for appeal.

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Speaker 3: Now what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: You cannot appeal a case unless you've been found guilty.

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Speaker 2: If you're found not guilty, then the case is over.

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Speaker 2: So this lawyer, Emery Anthony, announces he's going to appeal

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Speaker 2: the case. So therefore the judge says, okay, I adjudicate

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Speaker 2: you guilty.

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Speaker 3: Have at it.

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Speaker 2: So what the lawyer says is we stipulated an appeal

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Speaker 2: and the reasoning is that the state's asking for jail

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Speaker 2: time and we disagree with that. So we're going to

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Speaker 2: appeal this to the Bessemer Circuit Court that is one

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Speaker 2: court higher than the judge. The judge also recommended and

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Speaker 2: Russell spend one year in jail, six months on each charge,

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Speaker 2: and pay seventeen hundred dollars in fines. The City of

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Speaker 2: Hoover also requesting around eighteen thousand in restitution. Now, the

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Speaker 2: defense lawyer found the fines to be fair, but he

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Speaker 2: drew the line at jail time. He doesn't think that's fair.

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Speaker 2: So they're taking this up on appeal. What does that mean.

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Speaker 2: It looks like there may be a jury trial ahead

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Speaker 2: of us.

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Speaker 3: Karen Stark Narcissism explained.

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean that's somebody who is so.

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Speaker 9: Involved with themselves, so much above the law that they

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Speaker 9: could go to that kind of extent to make sure

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Speaker 9: that people see them as a victim and worry about them.

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Speaker 9: And that's attention to speed on what's going on. It

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Speaker 9: makes them really feel loved and wanted.

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Speaker 2: I mean the moment I heard the story heard about

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Speaker 2: her disappearance, we immediately put it as the lead at

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Speaker 2: crimeonline dot Com and put it out on social media

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Speaker 2: over and over and over to get attention and get

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Speaker 2: the tip line out there for people to help find Carly.

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Speaker 2: We contacted people in Alabama involved in the search to

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Speaker 2: try to find out what was happening and how we

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Speaker 2: could help. All the whiles, Cheryl McCollum, there are real

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Speaker 2: victims of real crimes that need our help. I'm not

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Speaker 2: as worried about the media, but I'm more worried about people.

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Speaker 2: I remember working long nights, weekends on Easter on Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 2: on my so called vacation with my family, working cases,

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Speaker 2: working working. If I found out later that the victim

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Speaker 2: was lying, I would be so deflated.

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Speaker 12: Nancy again, the resources that she took from actual victims

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Speaker 12: is astonishing. But I tell you what, they need to

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Speaker 12: be concerned about.

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Speaker 3: Who's next.

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Speaker 12: If you do not send a message that we are

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Speaker 12: not going to put up with hoaxes and lies and

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Speaker 12: outright premeditated crime, then what are we doing in the DAR?

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Speaker 3: You know, just want people to understand what a search

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Speaker 3: like this entails.

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Speaker 2: Mud, rain, dirt, long hours, twenty four to seven, looking worried,

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Speaker 2: dealing with the victims family who are all distraught. I mean,

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Speaker 2: can you imagine if you thought your child was missing.

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Speaker 2: Mike Hassel, You've been through it all. Mike Castle, President

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Speaker 2: founder Peace River Canine Search and Rescue. Explain the blood,

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Speaker 2: sweat and tears it goes into a search like this.

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Speaker 11: Well, the one factor nobody's talking about is the incredible

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Speaker 11: heat that we're dealing with this year. And I just

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Speaker 11: came off a search where we were out last night

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Speaker 11: and the heat injuries were unreal. We lose four or

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Speaker 11: five people going down from meat exhausted and heat stroke.

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Speaker 11: And the dogs are crapping out after thirty minutes because

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Speaker 11: they're just cooked. And there's a lot of resources that

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Speaker 11: go into having to keep the people up. You can

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Speaker 11: get a searcher out there that can work for an hour,

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Speaker 11: maybe maybe an hour and a half if you're lucky,

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Speaker 11: but then they're down for two hours because they got

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Speaker 11: to cool off and get raid. The same thing with

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Speaker 11: the dogs. You can get him for twenty minutes and

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Speaker 11: then Zaga has to rest for fifty minutes because he's

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Speaker 11: got a cool down before and go back out. So

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Speaker 11: there's a lot of injuries involved here, snakes and vines

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Speaker 11: and you know all kinds of stuff that goes on that,

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Speaker 11: and especially for volunteers, because you know we volunteer. We

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Speaker 11: go out, we help a law enforcement on these searches,

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Speaker 11: but we have to cover our own expenses and we

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Speaker 11: have to cover our own health insurance. So we get injured,

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Speaker 11: it's on us.

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Speaker 2: Then there is a Chloe Steine and I bring her

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Speaker 2: up because she's about the same age as Carly Russell.

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Speaker 2: She faked in her own abduction. Who does she blame?

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Speaker 2: A fake cop? I guess she was running out of

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Speaker 2: people to blame. I want you to take a listen

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Speaker 2: to our cut thirty seven. Our friends from WTAA regarding

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Speaker 2: Chloe Stein say.

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Speaker 14: Police say she created an entire scenario to make people

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Speaker 14: think she had been abducted by someone posing as a

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Speaker 14: police officer on our way home from work Monday night.

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Speaker 14: That set off a massive search effort Yesterday afternoon, police ask,

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Speaker 14: admitting the entire ordeal costing thousands, if not tens of

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Speaker 14: thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 3: Stein was found not.

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Speaker 14: Far from her home yesterday evening. Police say at first

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Speaker 14: she told them she was abducted, held at gunpoint, and

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Speaker 14: then released eventually. Court documents they client admitted to never

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Speaker 14: being in danger and making the whole thing up.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I really did, Cherry Peppini Justice. Take

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Speaker 2: a listen to cut twenty seven GMA.

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Speaker 19: In November of twenty sixteen, Sherry Peppini vanished for twenty

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Speaker 19: two days. Then on Thanksgiving morning, she materialized on a

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Speaker 19: highway nearly one hundred and fifty miles from home, a trucker,

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Speaker 19: stopping and calling nine one one for her. That call

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Speaker 19: heard for the first time this morning.

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Speaker 11: What's turning? We're you're chained up?

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Speaker 12: She's chained up.

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Speaker 2: I really don't know how Matt Gutman and our friend

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Speaker 2: from ABC kept a straight face on this.

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Speaker 3: Take a listener cut forty.

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Speaker 19: It wasn't until more than three years later that trace

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Speaker 19: DNA found on Peppini led to this mystery man ex

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Speaker 19: boyfriend James Reyes, who admitted he helped Peppenie inflict those

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Speaker 19: injuries on herself.

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Speaker 11: So there's a brand on her.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, there's significant bruising and she did a lot of that.

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Speaker 3: He pluse she was here. I mean she just hit

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Speaker 3: herself with something I altered. I mean I didn't pinch

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Speaker 3: her anything helped. You just shot the buck off her, lady.

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Speaker 2: The extremes that Peppinie went to to fake her abduction.

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Speaker 2: But how are we going to figure out the truth here?

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Speaker 2: How are we going to determine what happened to Carly

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Speaker 2: Russell during those days that she was missing and we

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Speaker 2: were all doing summersaults to help find her. You know,

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Speaker 2: to you, Lee Reebert, what's the best way of finding

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Speaker 2: out where Carly Russell was during those forty nine hours.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I think the important thing if we look at

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Speaker 15: the teeny case, they got a lot of the leads

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Speaker 15: from call records, right they found out that she was

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Speaker 15: calling some or some boyfriends, and I think in this

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Speaker 15: case too, it might come down to it. I'm sure

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Speaker 15: that they're still going over phone records. We had this

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Speaker 15: whole red mouth in who did she call? You know,

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Speaker 15: did she call someone, whether there additional people. They're going

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Speaker 15: to look at the the phones or the family members

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Speaker 15: of boyfriends. I look at those records to see if

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Speaker 15: any phone numbers from a red rop in or unknown

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Speaker 15: number had come in. So I think they're still going

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Speaker 15: to be some investigation into that, and I believe, you know,

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Speaker 15: I would think that they're going to bring someone else

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Speaker 15: in that had knowledge for discipplant. You know.

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Speaker 2: Another issue, Cheryl McCollum joining us from Zone seven podcast. Cheryl,

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Speaker 2: there have been allegations that she had sent messages while

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Speaker 2: she was missing to the boyfriend.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that.

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Speaker 2: I believe that because the boyfriend was so distraught and

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Speaker 2: I think he was genuine trying to find her. If

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Speaker 2: he was getting messages from her, that would indicate he

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Speaker 2: knew she was alive.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that.

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Speaker 2: But we've seen very often people use cell phones right

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Speaker 2: as if there's someone else texting potentially her abductor texting

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Speaker 2: family or friends, taunting them about what could happen to her.

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to find a digital trail. I

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Speaker 2: think we're going to find a food trail, and I

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Speaker 2: think we're going to find eyewitnesses.

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Speaker 12: I don't think the police are done with anybody. I

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Speaker 12: think they're going to keep interviewing people. He keeps putting

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Speaker 12: statements out. The first statement that he ever put out

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Speaker 12: seemed a little self serving. It was more about him

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Speaker 12: than it was her. Again, I don't think he showed

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Speaker 12: any real fear. He was thanking teammates and telling everybody

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Speaker 12: he's doing this for her and she would do the same.

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Speaker 12: He's put out another statement where he's using words like us,

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Speaker 12: we and with so. Again, the police are going to

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Speaker 12: keep talking to people, whether it's her cousin, her good friends,

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Speaker 12: or her ex boyfriend. Did she have any help and

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Speaker 12: did anybody know that this was a hope before she

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Speaker 12: came clean?

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Speaker 2: Carly Russell, the twenty five year old, just convicted on

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Speaker 2: two misdemeanor charges of lying to cops after she claims

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Speaker 2: she saw a child a toddler on a highway and

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Speaker 2: then claims she's abducted. She didn't go behind bars. She

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Speaker 2: is appealing the ruling to a circuit court, but for

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Speaker 2: right now, the kidnap faker is still walking free.

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Speaker 3: We wait as just as unfals. Goodbye for