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Hello, Slow Chad, Dog days a summer brother. 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: Just count the day until football starts. Listen, you're in 29 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: a massive, avid, rabid Philadelphia Eagles fan. We've had our 30 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: upcoming guest on the show before. Let's keep it clean, 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: let's sleep it nice, because we're gonna We're gonna bring 32 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: in our friend, Tiki Barber, of course New York Giants 33 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: football legend, host of Tiki and Tyrney on w f 34 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: A n in the afternoons. Also you can see him 35 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: on Real Housewives of New Jersey as an all star 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: softball player. We are now, we are now in business 37 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: together because Tiki works with the folks at Nights of 38 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: d Gen the new n F t who. We have 39 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: a sponsorship and description partnership with uh Tiki welcome on man, 40 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: good to see you. I'm glad to be back with you. Guys. Simon, 41 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Are you telling me that you are not comfortable betting 42 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: the over with the A's last night? Because I suggested 43 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: that to my listeners yesterday and it kind of panned out. 44 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: And as Cameron Mayban said, well, I'm actually starting to 45 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: like as a broadcast here you try to sneak the cheese, 46 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: the high cheese by the red takes more than that. 47 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: It was all you started doing show. Did you care 48 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: about baseball? Did you care about the NBA? Have you 49 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: found yourself needing to become a fan of sports you 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: didn't care about in order to fill many hours and 51 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: talk radio a day. My issue was I didn't grow 52 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: up a baseball fan, at least not a fan of 53 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: the teams in the in the city that I currently reside. 54 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: I grew up as an Atlanta Braves fan only because 55 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: TBS had the Braves on everywhere and all the time. 56 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: So in Southwest Virginia, I watched the Braves Dale Murphy 57 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: and Glenn Hubbard and all those guys. Uh. And then 58 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: in those in those early late nineties or early in 59 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: late night nineties days, that's why I was a fan 60 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: of so when I came to New York, I didn't 61 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: really care about the Yankees or the Mets. But ever 62 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: since I started Tekey and Tierney on the national level 63 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: with my co host Brandon Tierney, who was an enormous 64 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: Yankees fan, he's kind of slowly taught me the vernacular 65 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: of baseball. So I've learned to talk to talk, so 66 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: to speak, and become interested in it. So, yeah, I've 67 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: always been a basketball fan, never had really a team. 68 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: You can just kind of, as you know, dive into 69 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: basketball mid first, second, third quarter, don't really give a 70 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: ship what's happening, and by the time you get to 71 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: the end it gets exciting. Well, it's also it's a 72 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: high school drama everything about and like right now all 73 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: the time, you know, between the Knicks and what they 74 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: did on Draft night that was so convoluted and confusing, 75 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: and now the nets between Kyrie opt in, not opt in, 76 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: finally opting in? Is KD You gonna stick around? You've 77 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: got enough fodder to last until football starts. No, without 78 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: a doubt. Look the the the Knicks are just kicking 79 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: it down the road, kicking the can down the road. 80 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: We got time. Our fans are patient. They've already proved 81 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: it for the last two decades. It's all good. You 82 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: got another couple of years. It's true. Simon, do you 83 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: have any memories you want to share with Tiki about 84 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: Eagles fandom? Because I know how much he's broken your 85 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: heart over the year. No, I mean mean thick are 86 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: good man? I would say from my two favorite players, 87 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 1: Tiki was number two and number one was Lawrence Taylor, 88 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: and it was just I just my earliest memories remember 89 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: watching him. I don't know if he picked up either 90 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: a running back or wide receiver, but it looked like 91 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: like one of those like orcs, like picking up a 92 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: little human and just slamming him into the earth. It 93 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: was just like, who is this man? And then uh, 94 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: water Boy came out say years later, and there he 95 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: was again. I was just like, Okay, so this guy 96 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: is a freak on the field and he's hilarious off 97 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: the field. I was all in on Lawrence Taylor, but 98 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: we had this air where when he came in, it 99 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: was like him in Westbrook and there was a couple 100 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: other running backs that again'm not saying you guys were 101 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: on your side, but you were different. You you could 102 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: catch the ball, you could run with it, Yeah, you 103 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: could do punt return. I mean all of it. I 104 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: loved it like that was just a really special error 105 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: for me. And that was when the Eagles were you know, 106 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: we couldn't get over the hump. We just didn't win 107 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: super Bowls. We kept one of the division, and then 108 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: here comes the Giants. They would just always either get 109 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: in the wild card and they would go further than us. So, 110 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, it was a weird time where it was 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: like I didn't hate Tiki because I love the way 112 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: he played so much, but man, I hate Eli, Like 113 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: I really hated Eli. But then Eli did what we 114 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: all wanted. He took down Tom Brady. So I eventually 115 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: loved Eli. Like the old Chucks, Eli kind of five, 116 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's just funny it all it 117 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: comes full circle where I don't really have ill will 118 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: towards the Giants, but like the Cowboys, I hate the 119 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: Cowboys more than you could ever believe. I think it's 120 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: just you know, we're on that New Jersey. I have 121 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: a lot of friends who are Giants fans. It's it's 122 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: just part of life. Like we we are you we 123 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: fight about it. In the end, we really don't care, right, 124 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: I have Dallas friends who I don't talk to the 125 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: whole week Like Dallas week, we don't talk. So it's 126 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: funny that's changed where I just think it maybe some 127 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: New Jersey thing. There's just so much of us together, 128 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: of the Giants fansies, Egos fans. It's not as bad 129 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: as it used to be. Chad and Simon, we gave 130 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: you the game plan on how to beat the New 131 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: England Patriots because they've only lost three Super Bowls and 132 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: they've been to NFC East teams in New York Giants 133 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: twice and the Philadelphia Eagles as we all know. But Chad, 134 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: you asked the wrong question. Simon loves this barber, he 135 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: hates the other barber. That's right, that's right. Who went 136 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: nine two going like this that Donovan McNair to send 137 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: him home, Go home, Eagles closing down the vet? The 138 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: vet was that a pick a pick six to end 139 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: our hopes and dreams are going to a super Bowl 140 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: here it is? So you asked the wrong question, Chack, 141 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: I did. I totally did. I completely forgot about that. Uh, 142 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: what do you think of this offseason? There's been a 143 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: lot of news, especially with the Bucks last time when 144 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: you were on the show, and I want you to 145 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: remind people you told this great story about Bruce Arians 146 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: and Bruce arians relationship to you and your family. Remind 147 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: people of that story and then what do you think 148 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: of sort of the transition. So Bruce is the man, 149 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: He's always been the coolest man in the room, and 150 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: that goes all the way back to college at Ginia 151 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: Tech where Bruce and my father, who ever kindled my 152 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: relationship with about eight years ago when my fifth girl, 153 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: my fifth child but she's a daughter, was born and 154 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: my second wife reached out to him, and uh, it 155 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: happened to be not too soon after I had done 156 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: some interviews with Bruce Arians when he was with the 157 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers, and so Bruce and I kind of reconnected, 158 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: and it's it reminded me to reach out to my 159 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: Mom's asked her about you know, Dad and Bruce known 160 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: each other for a long time and they were roommates 161 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: at Virginia Tech. In fact, the first black white athlete 162 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: athletic roommates at Virginia Tech in the in the late 163 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: sixties and the early seventies, and they were inseparable. They 164 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: called themselves Salt and Pepper. Uh. He Bruce was a quarterback, 165 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: My dad was a running back. They both had you know, 166 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: some records for some times down there. And uh, they've 167 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: been my babysitters. So they were our babysitters and we 168 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: were a baby. So I've known Bruce literally from the 169 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: time I was born until now. And so, um, when 170 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: I saw the news come down that he was retiring. Uh, 171 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: and it was late, you know, it wasn't like right 172 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: after the season. This was this is late. I texted 173 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: him and he called me back right away and I said, 174 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: well played, very well played. And he knew exactly what 175 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: I meant, right. He wanted to go out on his 176 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: own terms. Um, despite all the nonsense you heard about 177 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: his relationship with Tom Brady, that just wasn't the case. Uh. 178 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: He and Tom are are great. Uh. He wanted to 179 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: in some ways ensure that Todd Bowles was going to 180 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: be the next head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 181 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: And it worked out perfectly because Todd I think he 182 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: is the right man for the job. Byard Leftwich is 183 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: a is a really good and up and coming coordinator 184 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: and he got some looks, particularly with the Jacksonville Jaguars, 185 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: but he's still not quite ready, right, He's still a 186 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: little unseasoned. I think it's a perfect situation down there 187 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: in Tampa. And Bruce gets to sit on his his 188 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: brown liquids where his kangle as opposed to the Nike 189 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: sponsor of the NFL sponsored Nike capps, uh and chill 190 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: and be and be around as a paid executive of 191 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: a Bucket of the Years for as long as he 192 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: wants to. Um that dudes, living the life. Man. He 193 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: got a late start, won two Coaches of the Years 194 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: and won a Super Bowl. And I'm biased obviously because 195 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: I again literally have known him since the day I 196 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: was born. He's he turned himself into a Hall of 197 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: Fame coach in a very short amount of time being 198 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: a head coach. Um, he's the man. Loved that dude. 199 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: How do you think that happens? Why is it that 200 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: a guy like Bruce arians who everyone acknowledged was a 201 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: brilliant offensive coordinator and led so many teams to so 202 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: much success. And honestly, if not for that shot with 203 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: the Colts, when the head coach gets cancer and Bruce 204 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: chuck Begano gets cancer, Arians comes over and then he 205 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: gets a shot with the cardinals. Um, why does that happen? 206 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: And then there's because you know, if you shake Sean 207 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: mcveigh's hand, you're getting a job. But you know what, 208 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: I'll tell you for three years, Chad, you watch golf, 209 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: You watch you watch golf. You know you see these 210 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: guys on tour and they have these homogenized swing. That's 211 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: the same swing. Who is that, that's that's whoever? Who 212 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: is that? That's that's whoever. You can't tell anybody except 213 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: for Jim Furret by their swing, Bruce Arians. If you've 214 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: had any interactions with him at all, and I'm not 215 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: even talking about a personal interaction. I'm talking about just 216 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: watching him on television is not your average cup of tea. Right. 217 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: He is gonna tell you exactly what he thinks. He 218 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: does not give a you know what, and we'll tell 219 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: you how he feels. And let's be honest, that doesn't 220 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: fit into the mold of what an NFL head coach 221 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: is supposed to be like. And so he never got 222 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: a chance. He never even got the interviews when he 223 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: was crafting champions out of Peyton Manning out of Andrew 224 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: luck of caution Palmer or at least some sort of 225 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: not really NFL champions but champion level quarterbacks. He crafted 226 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: all of these these great quarterbacks, but he never got 227 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: a chance because he was so unconventional until he got 228 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: to chance in an unconventional way when Chuck Organo goes 229 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: down against with with the sickness with with his cancer 230 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: and Bruce's thrust into the head coaching role, and obviously 231 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: they had a fantastic year that year, and he wins 232 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: Coach of the Year as an interim head coach. That 233 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: just never happens. He then gets an opportunity to go 234 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: out there Arizona and he wins another coach year and 235 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: takes them all boasts to a championship out there, And 236 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: so you started to see how good of a of 237 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: a coach he was, which where everybody who knows the 238 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: game knew already um and once he was in Arizona, 239 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: he kind of just could write his own ticket, got 240 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: really close, almost had a chance to win a championship, 241 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: decided it was time to hang it up. After a 242 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: little bit of a health scare, not a not a 243 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: serious one, but a little bit health scare he hung 244 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: it up, went to the booth and CBS, but you know, 245 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: you can't custom the booth, and so it just kind 246 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: of was kind of out of his element and he 247 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: wanted to get back in the game, and the opportunity 248 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: in Tampa presented to presented itself, and he ran with it, 249 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: and we all know what happened after that gets Tom 250 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: Brady went just Super Bowl and it was just he 251 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: was the man if he comes back, Bruce, because I 252 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: do think, no, he's not coming back. He's done. Now. Yeah, 253 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: he's shocking because I do think he's such a good 254 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: coach and there was anything to that whole Brady drama. 255 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: But now I think I think age is catching up 256 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: to him. I think he's he's he's coast a really 257 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: long time. Like we forget it now. I mean he 258 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: started in the mid to late seventies. He actually got 259 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: fired at Virginia Tech. The whole staff got fired because 260 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: they had a kid that passed away after a extensive 261 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: night of drinking. I think this is a story. Uh, 262 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: they punished him by running him. He went back to 263 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: his room and he died, And so it was part 264 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: of his history. That's not like one of his favorites, 265 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: but it's part of his story. And he couldn't find 266 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: another job until he got hired. And when he went 267 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: down to Alabama, he worked on the Bear Bryant. They 268 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: got the job at Temple, had great success, made his 269 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: way back into the NFL, and before you know it, 270 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: he was you know, crafts and great quarterbacks and winning 271 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: championships as a coordinator play callers, so that it's it's 272 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: it's unique, right, He's one of the kind, he really is. 273 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen because I loved his offensive style where 274 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: it was just couple little short passes here and there, 275 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: but it was all about the deep ball and getting 276 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: the ball downfield, so no risk and no biscuit. There's 277 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning both had fifty two to 278 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: five percent completion percentages their first year because they made him. 279 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: He made him throw the ball on the field. Stats 280 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: don't matter, right, I know we think they do, but 281 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: they don't. Brady decided to come back, arians retires Todd 282 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: Bowles the head each of the Bucks. There is a 283 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: huge shift in power dynamics from the NFC to the 284 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: a f C. Even though the Rams just won the 285 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. You look at the Chiefs, you look at 286 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: the Chargers, you look at the Raiders, you look at Broncos, 287 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: the Broncos right just in the a f C West, 288 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: And then you think and then you think about look 289 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: at the Bengals, look at the Ravens, look at the 290 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, Like the the conference is loaded when you're 291 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: looking at that now as someone who was long time 292 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: had a radio show and they've been covering the NFL forever, 293 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: but also now as someone who through your radio show, 294 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: you guys talk about gambling like it's a big part 295 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: of what you do day to day. How do you 296 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: stack up the a f C. I see the a 297 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: f C as being cannibalistic. I mean they're gonna eat 298 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: each other by the time that This is why the 299 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: NFC probably has an edge. If you were umbling for 300 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: the eventual Super Bowl champion, it's gonna be a rough 301 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: grind once you get to the postseason, whether it's the 302 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: wild card or whether you're the number one seed in 303 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: the in the in the in the a f C, 304 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna grind your way to a tow to the 305 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and it's not gonna be easy, Whereas the NFC, 306 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: it feels a little bit less treacherous. And there are 307 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: teams like the Rams. Just to stick on them for 308 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: a second, who had to spend all the money that 309 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: they're spending there. I mean the cliche is their mortgaging 310 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: their future, but you know what, they had to mortgage 311 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: their future because they were a team that spent so 312 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: many years in St. Louis coming back to l A where, 313 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: let's face it, there was apathy towards football in Los Angeles. 314 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: Nobody hairs is there's there's significant entertainment options. Right, my 315 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: disposable dollar can go anywhere. Is they're gonna go to 316 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: a football team that's gonna leave us in a couple 317 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: of years, like the Raiders did, and and and and 318 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: and like LA did before, like the Rams did before. No, well, 319 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: you know how you get them back. You win some championships, 320 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: and so you pay Aaron Donald thirty eight million dollars 321 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: or whatever the hell he's making. All right, you want 322 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: to play, you know, Jalen Ramsey, whatever you're playing, all right, 323 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: go ahead and do it right, It's it's worth it, 324 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, He's gonna give broke all these guys, right, 325 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: You do it because you need to win as many 326 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: championships as you can and this window as as possible. 327 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh was the perfect coach for it because he's 328 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: a genius. He's a football lifer, um he he. He 329 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: has the ability to create complexity, even if it's just 330 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: for complexity sake, uh, and make you think um and 331 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: outthink yourself as a defense, and that gives him the advantage. 332 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: So I love where the Rams are and other teams 333 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: just can't stomach that, right, They just they get so 334 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: fiscally responsible and and beholden to this salary cap that 335 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: they can't think about it. So the Rams still have 336 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: the edge in my mind, and the NFC from the 337 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: a f C. Really the most intriguing one to me 338 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: is the Denver Broncos because like I love Russell as 339 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: a as a player, I think he's corny as hell. 340 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: I think some of the things that he says, you're 341 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: just like, dude, you don't really believe that until you 342 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: until you actually talked to him, and then you're after 343 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: a while. I mean, I mean like we talked to 344 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: him for I did a game last year I talked 345 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: to We talked to him for like an hour and 346 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: after a while I'm like, this sucker actually believes what 347 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: you say it. He's not. He's not just cliche in it. Man. 348 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: It's just he actually believes the words that are coming 349 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: out of his mouth, Like I feel blessed and honored 350 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: and you know it could have been worse, and so 351 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: actually I need to own this moment right now. Like, man, 352 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: he's selling it. I was like, all right, cool, I 353 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: believe it. And that's why he's had success. If he 354 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: brings even just a little bit of that to a 355 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: very talent to Denver Broncos team that is one of 356 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: the most underrated receiving corps in football, Uh, they are 357 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: going to be a force b recut, not to mention 358 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: Javonte Williams, who I love coming out of the backfield, 359 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, they have the talent to be 360 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: to be a contender next year. So they're the team 361 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: that might surprise all the others. But we'll see how 362 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: does that play in the locker room with someone when 363 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: someone like Russell Wilson, who is so outwardly sort of 364 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: you say corny. Uh, there's a lot of ways to 365 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: sort of framemak script you want to rehearsed, or it's 366 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: just you know, he so believes in the prophecy. And 367 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: I don't mean in a religious perspective. I mean just 368 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: like in the power of positive thinking. Right, that's right, 369 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: that's right. That he's bawling. Chat. If he's bawling and 370 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: he's and he's making you better, it doesn't matter what 371 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: he says. Man, Right. I give you an example for 372 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: my for my years, when Jesse Arms said, you remember 373 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: Jesse Arms said he was loved on defense back in 374 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: the day, and um, you know, straight hand was really 375 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: the catalyst as he's you know, he's got off the 376 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: quarterback and all those sacks that he had. But like 377 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: the the real emotional leader was Jesse Armstead. He'd get 378 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: up and he'd give these like speeches before the game, 379 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: and I swear to you, I couldn't understand the words 380 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: that were coming out of his mouth. I couldn't and 381 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: I knew what he was trying to say, but he 382 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: was doing it authentically and with this passion. And he 383 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: bawled every week. So we bought in. We're just like, 384 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: all right, whatever he said, let's go. Uh, it's it's 385 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: it's the other extreme, but it's the same thing. Right, 386 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: as long as you're a bawler, and and people know 387 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: that you're committed to it, then they're gonna follow you. 388 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: And people follow Russell Wilson. You know, Tyler Lockett was 389 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: a perfect example. We like Tyler is the he's he's 390 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: completely out, he's like reserved, he's very laid back. Tyler 391 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: Lockett came on, he was saying everything that Russell was saying, 392 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: like almost verbatim. It was it was like, it was, 393 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: it was, it was, it was mine. It was like 394 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: melded into his mind and and maybe he was just regurgitating, 395 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: but still he spoke it like he believed it. And 396 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: that's what happens when you have that's leadership. Man Like, 397 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: it's we always try to define it, really, how do 398 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: you become a great leader. It's like be authentic and 399 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: emotional and unbelievable, but most importantly consistent in what you do. Right, 400 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: That's what Russell does. And whether you think he's corny 401 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: or scripted or whatever, he's the leader and he's a 402 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: great leader. And it's proven year over year over year. 403 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: Simon and I have had many debates on this show 404 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson as a quarterback. I'm with you. I 405 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: think the guy is a superstar. I think it. I 406 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: think it elevates the Broncos. I think it immediately makes 407 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: them contenders. Simon, please give Tiki, former professional football player, 408 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: longtime member the media, studied more film than you and 409 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: I could ever possibly study. Please give Simon you, please 410 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: give Tik your take on Russell Wilson. I do agree 411 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: with you. I think he's really good quarterback. I just 412 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: think people always complaining, like how this guy never get 413 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: m VP all this other stuff. I just never think 414 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: he's been the best quarterback. And my argument against him 415 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: for Denver this year is he's gonna be a thirty 416 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: or four year old quarterback who's five ten, five eleven 417 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: playing against behind one of the worst offensive lines in football. Like, 418 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm with you. They got a great offensive weapons, but 419 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm just nervous about rust this year. So it is 420 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: interesting you picked them. I told Chad Denver is gonna 421 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: be the darling of the media this year. Like then, 422 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: people just like the new toy again, going from Drew 423 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: Lock to Russell Wilson. Let me I could talk all 424 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: that shitty once. I'll like Russell Wilson every day over Drew. 425 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: He can be corny as hell. Denver guys are probably 426 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: a static being, like, holy shit, this is what a 427 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: real court back is. So I do think Russ is good? 428 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: Do I think he's top five, top seven like he 429 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: used to be. I don't know, man, There's just so 430 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: many good young bloods out there, like really good talented guys. 431 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: Like again, people have Lamar Lamar Jackson outside their top seven. 432 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: They forget how great Lamar Jackson is. It's always about 433 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: what have you done for me lately? So Jack could 434 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: be right. I could be hating too much on Russ. 435 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: I just I'm a little worried about an older guy undersized. Historically, 436 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: we've only seen him and Drew Brees and uh Doug 437 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: Flutie be this size and play this later in the career. 438 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: None of those guys won championships after their thirty first birthday. 439 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: So it's just there's just a lot there for me 440 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: to think about. What I'm thinking about Russell, Well, it's 441 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: his offensive line in Denver worse than his offensive line 442 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: in Seattle. Statistically, it's like literally almost no difference the 443 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: weather that day, right exactly. But I'm with you, like 444 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: he's losing decane locket though you know what I mean. 445 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: It's like it's just gonna be interesting what Judy can 446 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: do because I'm with you, like I love Denver's young talent, 447 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: and I can't judge him because they had Drew Lock, 448 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: Like I can't judge this Courtland Sutton is there Tim 449 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: Patrick who is sneaky good? Um kJ Hammler, nobody talks 450 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: about I saw that kid play at Penn State. And 451 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: they had a solution for blessing at Penn State just 452 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: go deep and and and they even made Clifford look 453 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: good at Penn State. So I mean they got a 454 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: lot of talent. You're right, it's about protective Russ. But 455 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: if anybody can thrive without upfront protection, it's Russell Wilson. Um. 456 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: The question will be will he allow this offense to 457 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: be diverse, this is really your only question, or will 458 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: he demand that it's about him because that's what broke 459 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: down in Seattle the last year and a half or so. 460 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: It had to be about him, like he wants it 461 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: means something to him to win that m v P. 462 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: It really does really just to get votes and he 463 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: hasn't gotten any. Um, if he allows this offense to 464 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: just evolve into what it becomes as opposed to dictating it, 465 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: then I think they have a chance. Otherwise it might 466 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: get a little dicey. But do you think that how 467 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: much of that do you think at the end of 468 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 1: those that time in Seattle was just about him wanting 469 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: the personal accolades or him believing so much in himself 470 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: and not believing in the rest of the team with 471 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: the way the talent had degraded, that he needs to 472 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: have the ball and if it's not going to be 473 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: about him, he doesn't feel as comfortable with their shot 474 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: to win. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because maybe there were 475 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: three quarterbacks that I that were at my era and 476 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: later that I would trust dictating offensive game plans. Right. 477 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: One was was Peyton Manning, Um maybe Drew Brees maybe, 478 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: but probably not even Drew Brees because that he was 479 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: synonymous with Sean Payton, and I know the genius of 480 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: Sean Payton's mind being that he was my offensive coordinator 481 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: for a few years, and just historically you know how 482 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: that's been Um and and and potentially potentially Tom Brady. 483 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: But again, I also think that was very coordinator driven. 484 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: So so in truth, there's maybe one there's one quarterback 485 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: that I would trust can come in and say, all right, 486 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: this is what we gotta do, you know, because I've 487 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: done it and I can do it and I can 488 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: trust me. And it was it was Peyton right. He 489 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: brought basically his his offense from Indeed to denver Um. 490 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: He executed it kind of without a coordinator. We know, 491 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: we know it was and Adam Gates who kind of 492 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: didn't do ship. But basically he had an all pro 493 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: type season with a nonentity as as coordinator. Right, And 494 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: that's because he was that guy. Russ is not. I 495 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: don't think Russ is that guy. I think Russ it 496 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: needs the He needs to, he needs to defer a 497 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: little bit to the bigger picture, and he doesn't always 498 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: do that. 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I'm fascinated by the idea of like 527 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: someone who can, who practices what they preach, and whether 528 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: or not that has an impact, right, and so you 529 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: can talk about the authenticity and whether it's Russell Wilson 530 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: or for you, guys, Jesse Armstead for the Giants when 531 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: you were playing there. It's the fourth quarter. You've been 532 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: getting the ship beat out of you all game. You 533 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: need to have a play on third and one, fourth 534 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: and one. You know the ball is coming to you. 535 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: You know the play is for you to plow yourself 536 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: into the offensive line. Is there anything from pregame to 537 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: halftime to in that huddle that can be said to 538 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: make you more successful. No, it's gotta happen. It's got 539 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: to happen by trust. So I'm only I'm gonna tell 540 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: you this little story, and it takes a little time, 541 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: But I just gave a presentation for the New York 542 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: Credit Union Association, and I had an audio visual that 543 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: I used and it was. You guys may remember the 544 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: ninety yard touchdown I had against the Oakland Raiders on 545 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve two thousand and five. We were backed 546 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: all the way up because Luke Pettigow jumped outside and 547 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: we're on the five yard line, and in my mind, 548 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, we know what play we're gonna run. 549 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: They know what play we're going to run. It was 550 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: it's called thirty six power. So backside guard pulls to 551 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: the front side, lee eating fullback. Tight end is over there. 552 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: It's all going off tackle on to the right side 553 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: of our offense. Right. They knew the play like they 554 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: were cheating. They knew the play. They were calling it 555 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: out power, power, Power. They knew exactly where the pay 556 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: was coming. The ball snapped, I stick my foot in 557 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: the ground, I go up the middle of the whole 558 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: the middle of the field and make a safety miss. 559 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: I get to the sideline and score ninety yard touchdown. 560 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: And on first blush, You're like, damn, that was the 561 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: hell of a play that Tiki made, right, But the 562 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: reality is that we were all on the same page. 563 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: So they cheated their linebackers forgetting that the backside linebacker 564 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: was on the line of scrimmage right. So by cheating, 565 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: they created a hole. And so what happened? Luke pettigoot 566 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: my left tackle. He blocks two guys because once coming 567 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: off the edge and he blocks his guy, and the 568 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: other guy coming off the edge is sweeping way behind. 569 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: He has no chance. He's out of the play. Shaun 570 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: O'Hara left guard pulls. Shaun O'Hara mashes the d tackle, 571 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: so he creates his vast gaping hole because Chris Knee 572 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: blocks off his guy. All the flamentum is going to 573 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: the right side around the edge. Everybody's going out there. 574 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: But I see this massive hole in front of me. 575 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: So what do I do. I'm a smart running back. 576 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: I just run through the open hole. It's right there. 577 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: It's not where the play is supposed to Oh, but 578 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: screw it. I go right through the open hole. The 579 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: safety is coming down too fast. I make him miss 580 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: and I in the but the corners coming to ear 581 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: hold me. I can't make him miss. But what happens, 582 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: Plexico burst ear holds him, crushes him right, seals it. 583 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: So I have I get the EDDS. Plex goes to 584 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: stop this deva wide receiver. You know this guy who 585 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: scores the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl A couple 586 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: of years later. You know what he does. He turns 587 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: around and runs with me and blocks the guy in 588 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: front of me, and then you know who comes from 589 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: the other side. A Monti tumor tune comes. He's all 590 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: the way on the other side of the field. It 591 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: comes flying across the field and clips off the last 592 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: safety and they both escort me yards down the field 593 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: for a touchdown obedience. After the five yard paloty Barber 594 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: breaks to the second level and beyond Chicki Barber down 595 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: the sideline getting a blunk down field and another one 596 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: from the burst Bber take at the distance Giant touchdown. Wow. 597 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: Plexico Buris and Shawn O'Hara work all the way and 598 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: Barber takes since one of the longest touchdowns in Giant history. Mike, 599 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: we talked about a return guy, and look at the 600 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: patients that he has. Watch him set up these blocks. 601 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: He sets up Plexico Burrus right there to get the 602 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: last little push and then he finishes around out standing 603 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: patients on standing play calls, and so everybody says, I'll 604 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: that's a great play by Ti. You know where it 605 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: worked is because we all knew what we were doing. 606 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: We all knew how to take advantage of the situation. 607 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: And so it's not about it's not about like want 608 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: to it's not about like, oh yeah we worked harder 609 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: than him. Yeah, maybe that works sometimes when you gotta 610 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: get three or two yards in a cloud of dust. 611 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: But when you want to make big plays happen, it's 612 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: it's being above it, like it's being like your mind 613 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: has to be above like the physicality of it, and 614 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: you have to be able to think it in real time. 615 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: And all of our guys did it, including me, and 616 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: we had this huge play that was the first score 617 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: of the fourth store of that game. It was a 618 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: big win for us. It got us in the postseason. 619 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: And you know, it's not about like what you think 620 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: it is, go bang your head on the wall. It's 621 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: about being smarter than the other team, and we were 622 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: that play the way you describe it, though, it does 623 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: make me want to grab the ball on the five 624 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: drive line and run. But you know what running backs do? 625 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,239 Speaker 1: You know what they do when you get backed up? 626 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: Everybody thinks Tony dor said, well, I guess now, Derrick 627 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: Henry yards Man I can't break it. You can I 628 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: tie the record, right, That's what every time I was 629 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: backed up, I was like, just I just want to 630 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: go ninety plus let me go. It must have been 631 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: This must have been what it was like in that 632 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: moment in Real Housewives of New Jersey at the end 633 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: of the game when you snared that line drive. You're 634 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: not you know, it's funny, Chad, you're joking about this play, 635 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: I'm not. I knew it was coming to me. I 636 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: just knew it was. So I spent most of the 637 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: game playing like short second or a short center, like 638 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: right behind second, so you could make all the infield 639 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: plays if you had to drift into the outfield, I could. 640 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: I could make some of those plays. But by the 641 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: end of the game, like people are like lazy, they 642 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: don't really care. I'm like, dude, is anybody playing third base? 643 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: Like where is everybody had guys littered around the outfield 644 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: and just shoot the ship. They don't care. I'm like, dude, 645 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 1: this is this the last hitting Let's let's somebody playing 646 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: out here. So I ended up playing shortstop because it 647 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: was a right handed hitter who and it's slow pit softball, 648 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: so you know, he's getting around on the ball and 649 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: you know it's coming this way, and it's and it's 650 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,479 Speaker 1: one of those one of those guys you can tell 651 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: has swung a bat a little bit, so I know 652 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: he's going to pull it, so I'm cheating just a 653 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: little bit. And then he rips it and it's it's 654 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: a little bit behind me. But I was like, I 655 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: know I can get this thing, so I just I 656 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: just take off and just lay out for it, like 657 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: legit layout. But it wasn't like a fake layout. You 658 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: know sometimes these guys a fake layout, like oh I 659 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: had to dive to get that one, but they really 660 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: just like dove and shorten their arm link Like I 661 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: really had to layout to get this one. And it 662 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: came down of my head and everybody jumped on me. 663 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: It was awesome, and but I kind of could see it. 664 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: I could like predict it. I was so upset in 665 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: that episode that you didn't play the whole game because 666 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: one of my favorite things. And I've got a theory 667 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: that's going back for years because when I started at 668 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: ESPN the magazine and uh late nineties, there was a 669 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: guy he might remember him, Um, I don't you guys 670 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't have played against each other. But his name is 671 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: Alan Grant, and he played at Stanford. He was a 672 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: kick returner and safety at Stanford, and then he played 673 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: in in the NFL for like five years. He played 674 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: for Washington. I think he played for Cincinnati. So he 675 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: ended up working at the magazine for a little while. 676 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: And Um, every Wednesday, we'd shut down the magazine in 677 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: the middle of the day and we rent out court 678 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: to Basketball City over at Chelsea Pierce in Manhattan. And 679 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: there were a lot of people that played sports working 680 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: at the magazine. Allen was there, uh for a little while. 681 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: Neil Reid, who you know played it Indiana, the player 682 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: who got choked by Bobby Knight. Um, there were guys 683 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: who played college basketball D one, college basketball, D two, 684 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: D three, and then there were guys like he played 685 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: high school and just the difference between guys who played 686 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: high school basketball and D three was like extraordinary, right, 687 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: and then the guys from D three to Alan Grant, 688 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: who sometimes he didn't even want to play because he 689 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: was so much better than anyone else at his sport 690 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: that wasn't even his sport. It's always fun for me 691 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: to see guys who are really superior athletes, like you 692 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: play in a game with sort of weird mortals because 693 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: you and like everyone is just so astonished because the 694 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 1: way you move is just gonna be so much better 695 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: than everybody else. It is fun because I love I 696 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: love athleticism, right, I just and it's it's it's what 697 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: I get enamored with when I watched sports. It's it's 698 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: just great athletes. Even if I'm not a fan of 699 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: that team. If I if I see athleticism, I embrace it. 700 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: Like for instance, Darling Marte for the Mets, he just 701 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 1: looks the part in the uniform like he's got these 702 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: massive like try like del toy. It's and like his 703 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: shoulders just like his back shoulders back, and he just 704 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: he looks fit and lean. And they just move different 705 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: though it's like the Mike Vick thing. They just the 706 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: way they move, it's just different. You've never seen anyone 707 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: move the way they move for some reason time and 708 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: it's exactly right. Like you can see as soon as 709 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: someone takes off or does something athletic, You're like, wow, 710 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: that's that's that's a cut of buff right there, Like 711 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: God blessed in with an extra gene. That's most people 712 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: didn't get until I love athleticism. And it's funny when 713 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: I when I get in a competitive situation, my athleticism 714 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: just takes over you. I don't know what the hell 715 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing. Well, it must be nice to have that, 716 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: you know something the rest of us don't. Before we 717 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: let you go for yourself chat, I want to stay 718 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: titles for lacrosse. It is, that's true. There it is, 719 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: by the way, by the way, I should say. Then, 720 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: every time I go for a checkup, the doctor or 721 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: nurse whoever is doing sort of checking the vitals, will 722 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: check my pulse uh, and my pulse rate is usually 723 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: in like high forties, low fifties. Sometimes I'm not, But 724 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean I do a lot of the peloton, I 725 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: do a lot of rowing. I take good care of myself, 726 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: in very good shape. Do say so myself. And every 727 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: single time, every single time, they will say to me, 728 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: are you an athlete? And I will look at them 729 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: and I go, yes, yes, I'm an athlete. Of course, 730 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: when I turned forty, I had to stopped playing anything 731 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: that required physical pounding because I kept breaking things. So 732 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, there you go, like I couldn't play softball 733 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: because I would pull a hamstring in two seconds. Um. 734 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: I mentioned at the top of the show that we 735 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: are in partnership because of your relationship with Knights of Jigen. 736 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: We have a partnership with Knights of Djen. I think 737 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: it's a really cool project. It's a cool n f 738 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: T that is focused on people who want to be 739 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: in the gambling community, people like Jack Settlement, who is 740 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: a great influencer now who started his career at Action Network. 741 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland. Explain sort of what you're doing with those 742 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: folks and and why people want to get involved. Yeah, 743 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm an advisor and I became one because the CEO 744 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: and co founder of my company, Enthusio, which was acquired 745 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: by Trailer a few months ago, decided to start this 746 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: with this this engage group of young entrepreneurs in the 747 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: Web three space. And you know, I'm a computer gig. 748 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: I was in MS major u v A, and so 749 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: the the emerging Web three environment, the n f T 750 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 1: s in the crypto world that I started to take 751 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: over our country. Even though right now it's kind of 752 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: a little trepidationous, it's still exciting because the opportunities are 753 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: there and I think mirroring sports and those that like 754 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: to play a wager here and there is something is 755 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 1: where the world is going. We're seeing it with the 756 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: explosion of sports betting companies around the country, the advertising 757 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: that we see on on my network and other sports 758 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: networks out there, it's it's tied together. And so I 759 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: think Nights of a Dijon and and the Action Network 760 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: is a perfect combination because the n f T world 761 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: knows us, but those in the sports wagering world, they 762 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: don't know this, and they don't understand how engaging having 763 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: a night or being a nightholder is in that world 764 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: because there's so many poker nights. We We even own 765 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: a fan controlled football team which we had our first season. 766 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: It's the second season a fan control football we had 767 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: our first season. This year just missed out on the playoffs, 768 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: like like literally a game missed out on the playoffs, 769 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: a play I missed out on the playoffs. UM we 770 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: own a soccer team with We're all gonna make it 771 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 1: another UM n f T project over in England, and 772 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: we do a lot of fun engaging things through our 773 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: Discord channels, through our our our fantasy football games and 774 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: events that we have a lot of in real life 775 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: events as well. I r L events, and so we 776 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: enjoy it. We have a lot of discussion, there's a 777 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: lot of big planning that goes on, and I think 778 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: we we add a value, a utility outside of just owning, 779 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: uh the n f T, the the night n f T, 780 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: which is very cool. So we're we're excited, um and 781 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: thrilled to be partnering with with Action right now because 782 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: it's gonna expand our our our reach and and in 783 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: some ways give us a little bit more legitimacy in 784 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: the gambling space, which is what we're all about. Listen, 785 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: if you need action for legitimacy and the gambling space, 786 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: w but I do like, look, everyone who's who's who 787 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: owns a night n f T is getting an Action 788 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: Pro subscription. You mentioned some I are all events and 789 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 1: in real life events. I think those are fantastic. And 790 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: the people that you're in business with. I love Jack Settlement, 791 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: He's been on the podcast. He's a great friend of ours. 792 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: We're super enthusiastic about what's happening with Nights of d GEN. 793 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: It's cool. I know there's a lot of conversations around 794 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: n f T s right now, they're not going anywhere. Uh. 795 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: You sort of have to define what is valuable to 796 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: you and decide which community you want to be a 797 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,799 Speaker 1: part of. And for us, this is one that we 798 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: decided we wanted to to get deeply involved with. Well, 799 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: we appreciate you, and I would tell people it's not 800 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: just art. It's about the utility. That's the most important 801 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: thing that gets lost in some of these n FT projects, 802 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: some of what's failed, But it's because it's just about art. 803 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: Ours is not just about the art. It's about the 804 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: community that we're building. And we're glad that actions are 805 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: part of our community and we're part of yours now. Tiki, 806 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: thanks for coming back on the podcast. Uh, such fantastic stories. 807 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: I am gonna go give everyone on our team a 808 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: huge pep talk right now, Anicity, and then I'm going 809 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: to back it up on my keyboard later today. I 810 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,760 Speaker 1: love it. 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