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Speaker 1: We are in that generation that is raising their own

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Speaker 1: Old elder end up not only raced to the hospital,

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Speaker 2: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and series XM one eleven. First of all, take a

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Speaker 3: A ninety three year old man hires a home healthcare

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Speaker 3: He was lethargic and unresponsive. At the hospital, doctors realized

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Speaker 3: the ninety three year old had overdosed. He was revived

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Speaker 3: by narcan. An investigation showed powerful narcotics in his system

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Speaker 4: The ninety three year old victim was rushed to the

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Speaker 1: When I hear narcan, I actually think of Prince, the

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Speaker 1: artist formerly known as Prince, And let me let one

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Speaker 1: of our All Star panel explain why what does a ninety.

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Speaker 2: Three year old elder have to do with Prince?

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Speaker 1: One of those I wented musicians that ever lived well?

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Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor William Maroney, medical exammer, toxicologist, pathologist,

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Speaker 1: opioid treatment expert, author of American Narcan, malaxone and here

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Speaker 1: in fantal associated mortality. Wow, that's a mouthful. Can we

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Speaker 1: just go with American Narcan? Dr William Moroney? And let

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Speaker 1: me just tell you something else. Maroney isn't living up

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Speaker 2: That is who he is, Doctor William Moroney.

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Speaker 1: I usually don't associate a ninety three year old elder

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Speaker 2: First of all, what is narcan? Why do you use it.

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Speaker 5: Narcan is a chemical whose structure looks a lot like

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Speaker 5: other opioids like bike.

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Speaker 2: Do you tell me it down from me? Maroni? I mean,

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Speaker 1: It reverses opioid overdose. That's an easy way to say it.

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Speaker 5: Going into your brain, and it kind of scoops off

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Speaker 1: Okay, White, White, You're you're losing me again. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Now I've actually been able to tell doctor William Maroney's

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Speaker 2: So the first thing we had.

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Speaker 1: Any idea that anything was wrong brewing with this ninety

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Speaker 1: So Caitlin, this guy, I mean, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Caitlin, he was not a drug addict.

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Speaker 1: Of course he would never have made I mean, Maroney,

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Speaker 8: I don't think it's something that you start doing in

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, You don't go score on the corner when

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Speaker 1: they revive him with narcan, Doctor Maroney, what is it?

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Speaker 2: Just one big shot?

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Speaker 2: Okay, back to the elder.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear all that. Let's see here, women's shoes, clothing, furniture, wicker, patios,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold joining me renownedd psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at angela Arnold MD dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, you have heard of guys that are not

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Speaker 1: just homebound, but they get into like online videos and

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Speaker 2: So what about an online sugar daddy? Thoughts, No, it

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Speaker 12: And you know, and Nancy, the women that participate in

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Speaker 1: You know. Isn't this a little bit beyond your expertise

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Speaker 12: No, I take care of these several of these.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how do you know these women are so good

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Speaker 12: Well, because unfortunately I take care of some of them

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Speaker 2: How do they do it?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 12: It's you know, Nancy, Sex is a very powerful tool

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, James S. Shell know what's wrong

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Speaker 7: Oh, there's nothing wrong with it.

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Speaker 2: That's what's wrong with men right there. They don't realize

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Speaker 1: Guys, you were just hearrying hearing high profile a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Law Firm dot com. James shell nutt as interesting as the.

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Speaker 2: Law might be. Right now, I've got to go back

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Speaker 2: to doctor Angie. Doctor Angie, what are the tricks of

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about fifty thousand dollars of women shees, furniture, clothing,

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Speaker 12: First of all, like I told you, Nancy, they're very

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Speaker 2: They take off their clothes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to just absorb what you're saying. Okay,

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Speaker 1: can I tell you this true story. A friend of

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Speaker 2: Wait no, he's in bonds, bonds, just bonds.

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Speaker 1: And he has a wonderful wife, and all of a

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Speaker 1: A stripper, Yes, doctor Edgie and shell Nut says, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with men. Okay is your name? I don't

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Speaker 7: Look, there's a whole website online. There's websites everywhere on

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Speaker 7: Asking for friends, but I'm just saying that numerous clients

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Speaker 1: I mean, doctor Angie Arnold, your whole you lose your job.

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Speaker 2: In the end, leaves him when he runs out of money.

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Speaker 2: Please tell me one.

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Speaker 12: Okay, I've got a good one for you.

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Speaker 12: One one woman like this going to the same dress store,

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Speaker 12: Doctor, Angie, you do not look like you shop at

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're buying toothpaste anywhere but Dollar Tree,

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Speaker 1: Well, what I don't understand is why she's limiting it

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Speaker 1: All Okay, you know, here's the problem, Cheryl McCollums. Cheryl

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Speaker 9: That's what I was going to say. Yep, that had

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Speaker 4: The daughter of the ninety three year old victim noticed

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Speaker 13: We believe there was shoes included in that clothing, furniture

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Speaker 13: Had his credit cards that he was allowing the home

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Speaker 2: Oh right, she probably is all up.

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Speaker 1: In his paying online and direct deposits of his government checks,

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Speaker 1: if he's getting any direct payments to, for instance, the

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Speaker 1: phone company and the gas company. So, Cheryl McCollum, director

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Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Research Institute, that fits in to

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Speaker 1: your theory that it had to be someone with a

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Speaker 1: physical connection to him.

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Speaker 2: In order to not only his credit cards.

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Speaker 1: Any sugar baby could do that, but to actually give

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Speaker 1: him the od at wait, hold on, doctor Moroney, how

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Speaker 1: could we tell it wasn't self inflicted? That we know

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a suicide attempt or an accidental overdous on

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Speaker 1: his part.

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Speaker 5: Because they told us at the hospital. He's not prescribed

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Speaker 5: any of these men, right, which means he has to

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Speaker 5: get them through somebody, and she is his window through

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Speaker 5: the outside world.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Cheryl Nancy.

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Speaker 9: When you have somebody at this age, their social circle

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Speaker 9: is very, very small. The people that have access to

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Speaker 9: them daily, that would have access to not only their mailbox,

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Speaker 9: but their medicine and their food and when they are

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Speaker 9: awake and when they're asleep, is going to be not

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Speaker 9: more than two or three people. So they're going to

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Speaker 9: be able to look at each individual that has access

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Speaker 9: to him his credit cards, his medicine, and his home,

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Speaker 9: and you know, go to work pretty easily, you know.

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Speaker 1: To you James shell Nutt, a high profile lawyer joining

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Speaker 1: us from the shell nut Law firm.

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Speaker 2: James, she's the worst because doctor Angie.

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Speaker 1: And I were talking about guys that will give a

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Speaker 1: sugar baby their credit card or their money, and it

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Speaker 1: seems irresponsible to us on the outside looking in. But

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Speaker 1: this ninety three year old senior depended on Mallory Giles

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Speaker 1: for everything. She would go into his checking account, I believe,

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Speaker 1: and pay his bills and take care of him, bring

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Speaker 1: him his food, take him to the bathroom, probably, shower him,

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Speaker 1: give him his meds. So while he wasn't getting some

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Speaker 1: sex kick from her, he was really dependent on her

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Speaker 1: for his day to day life.

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Speaker 10: Oh, absolutely, look, one of the most common forms of

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Speaker 10: elder abuse is financial exploitation. He has a lot of

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Speaker 10: high risk factors here. He is isolated, he is somewhat immobile,

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Speaker 10: He has limited contact with people. He depends on one

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Speaker 10: person who has access to him financially, who has access

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Speaker 10: to his healthcare, who is constantly in his ear on

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Speaker 10: a regular basis.

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Speaker 6: He has multiple high risk factors.

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Speaker 10: And he is a prime candidate for exploitative abuse by

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Speaker 10: someone financially. And that's exactly what he turned out to be,

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Speaker 10: was a victim of that.

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Speaker 2: Prime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Caylin Beckery joining us from dailymail dot Com. Caylin isn't

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Speaker 1: believed that she actually tried to poison him.

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Speaker 12: That's exactly what authority belief.

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Speaker 8: That she actually went out of her way to obtain

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Speaker 8: these opioids and administer them to the man she was

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Speaker 8: hired to care for in order to essentially keep him quiet, keep.

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Speaker 1: Him quiet, Dodge, Maroney, You've handled a lot of ods,

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Speaker 1: but anything like this, intentionally poisoning the old man to

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Speaker 1: quote keep him quiet.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we see this, and we call it chemical restraints.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And we also see this in children when parents or

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Speaker 5: babysitters give drugs to children so that they don't around

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Speaker 5: and around.

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Speaker 8: House, not inside outside a climate.

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Speaker 6: On some of them they give him venader.

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Speaker 5: This case, opioids were given. Prescription controlled substances were given.

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Speaker 6: We see it at every age. It happens way too often.

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Speaker 1: Has there been in a link between use of benadryl

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Speaker 1: as a child to any problems later in life?

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Speaker 5: Not published, but short term problems? Yes, Well, you're constantly

516
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Speaker 5: exposing this child to a sedative that's a histamine, so

517
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Speaker 5: the body builds up of tolerance, and then these kids

518
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Speaker 5: don't react to normal doses when they have an allergy

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Speaker 5: or they have sinuses, or they have an infection because

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Speaker 5: they have all this benadryl on them and you need

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Speaker 5: months to wash out so the body responds appropriately. Plus

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Speaker 5: AAI Histamines have a lot.

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Speaker 6: Of other uses.

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Speaker 5: One of the things is when they work for allergies,

525
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Speaker 5: they shut down your veins and arteries so that you

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Speaker 5: don't get redness. Histamine releases blood in a analogy and

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Speaker 5: it flows and you get redness, and it also messes

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Speaker 5: with your blood pressure, so bring it up or down.

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Speaker 5: Hista means lowered, and a histamans force it up. You

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Speaker 5: could actually force somebody into like a stroke situation if

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Speaker 5: you used and a histamines like this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, everybody here in this Dieo's studio is looking at

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Speaker 1: each other like there's a next murder, but making somebody

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Speaker 1: these bp go up with benadryl.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Touchin Maronie for putting that out there.

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Speaker 1: So, Cheryl McCollum, this guy is raced to the hospital

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Speaker 1: near death and then his daughter is told, yeah, your

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Speaker 1: dad odd on opioids and she says he's not even

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Speaker 1: prescribed that. Then everybody looks at the whole healthcare provider

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Speaker 1: and they confirm none of his prescriptions involve.

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Speaker 9: Opioids, right, And then they have a whole another list

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Speaker 9: of things that don't make sense. Either he doesn't want

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Speaker 9: or need outdoor furniture, he doesn't need women shoes.

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Speaker 12: There's that whole other list.

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Speaker 9: Now they're going to have to, you know, make sense

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Speaker 9: of and I think they're going to do it pretty quick.

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Speaker 2: Guys. Take a listen to Tara Morgan. Wews.

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Speaker 14: Police say Giles was the man's home health aid and

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Speaker 14: was allowed to use his credit cards to buy things

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Speaker 14: he needed. Police arrested Giles here at her house in

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Speaker 14: Huron last Thursday. Police came here with a search warrant

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Speaker 14: and a list. Police say she used the man's credit

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Speaker 14: cards in part to furnish her house. Please say they

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Speaker 14: believe Giles mixed old prescription pills with the man's medication

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Speaker 14: to cover her trucks, and at one point he ended

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Speaker 14: up in the hospital.

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Speaker 13: He was actually very lethargic at the time, so they

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Speaker 13: ended up giving him narkan and they found opioids in

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Speaker 13: his system.

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Speaker 1: Now, see, all of this so far is circumstantial. Did

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Speaker 1: she give him the opioids? Did he somehow get his

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Speaker 1: hands on it and take him himself on purpose or

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Speaker 1: by accident? But that is not the end of the story.

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Speaker 1: She could easily say he gave me these things, this

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Speaker 1: was voluntary on his part.

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Speaker 2: But take a listen to waws.

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Speaker 14: I'm sorry, Melury. Giles is heard on Sandusky police body

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Speaker 14: camp making numerous apologies and what sounds like a confession.

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Speaker 5: Huh, I don't know why I did.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 14: Why either, Giles answering tough questions from police after an

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Speaker 14: investigation started in April, when police say an elderly man's

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Speaker 14: family stop by for a visit and noticed something wrong

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Speaker 14: with his financial records.

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Speaker 5: Do you have a drug problem?

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Speaker 7: Alcohol?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I get sad they do things to take myself

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Speaker 1: field with her.

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Speaker 14: Did you think this stuff was going to go away?

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Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Angie arnold question. I did this. It made

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Speaker 1: me feel better. Drugs no alcohol?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes can you actually get some sort of a physical

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Speaker 1: high as a chopaholic.

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Speaker 12: Nancy, Believe it or not. I treat people for.

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Speaker 1: That also, Man, you know it never gets old for you,

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Speaker 1: does it? Doctor Angie? Okay, first you got to shoulder babies.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got the chopper arcs. You may in fact

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Speaker 1: be the same piece of people.

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Speaker 2: But go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear how you get addicted to shopping,

592
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Speaker 1: because sometimes my daughter will go in her room and

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Speaker 1: the only way I know she's alive is I got

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Speaker 1: a ping from PayPal.

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Speaker 12: Oh my lord?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I want to call her a chopaholic.

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Speaker 6: Yet, go ahead, it's a dopamine rush.

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Speaker 12: Okay. I know everybody's gone in like Target, right. You

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Speaker 12: notice how Target moves things around and they change things around,

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Speaker 12: and it's real kind of bright and colorful when you

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Speaker 12: go in there. Yes, they do it for a reason, Nancy.

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Speaker 12: You go in there and you're like, oh you and

603
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Speaker 12: your brain is all excited from this dopamine rush.

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Speaker 1: Have you noticed they have the little girl's clothing. It's

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Speaker 1: always right up front when you walk in. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: have some bright display, as you're saying, But then you

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Speaker 1: go in, they always have all the cutest little girl

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about you know, eight nine and under

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Speaker 1: before they start saying things like no, mommy, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to wear that, which is a terrible, terrible I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget when Lucy threw out all of her bows.

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Speaker 1: She had a very extensive bow collection. It was a

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Speaker 1: sad day for me. Ps I kept them. I kept them.

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Speaker 1: They're hidden. There's like one hundred bows in case ever

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Speaker 1: she changes their mind.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: But when you go into Target, that's one of the

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Speaker 1: first things you say. It gets to the moms, and

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Speaker 1: then right behind it's the little boy's clothing and to

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Speaker 1: the right of the toys, and they're conveniently you range,

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Speaker 1: so the children can run one way and the moms

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Speaker 1: across the aisle, but she can still see the child.

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Speaker 2: I know this from experience, and.

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Speaker 1: We would get so carried away at Target, my daughter,

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Speaker 1: which I got at Target had an aerial necklace and

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Speaker 1: if you pushed it, it would do the song. Dad,

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Speaker 1: she's saying that much better and you can hear it

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Speaker 1: all over the store. Oh wow, So I'd always know

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Speaker 1: where Lucy was. Not that I'll enter out of my side,

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Speaker 1: of course, but yes, they do that at Target, and.

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Speaker 12: That's how people get addicted. Nancy. It feels, I mean,

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Speaker 12: Nancy people. I know people that have so many boxes

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Speaker 12: coming to their house every day from Amazon and whatnot,

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Speaker 12: and it's like getting a present every day.

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Speaker 1: It's really not like getting a present every day because

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Speaker 1: then you get the credit card bill.

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Speaker 2: That's not a present. That's like a bomb.

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Speaker 12: But that's not right away, is it. Well, you're right,

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Speaker 12: that's not when you're opening that gift.

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Speaker 2: He says something about dopamine.

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Speaker 12: Dopamine is an excitatory neurotransmitter, okay, And when you're feeling

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Speaker 12: kind of down and out, it's the dopamine that needs

643
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Speaker 12: to be hit, okay, And believe it or not, shopping

644
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Speaker 12: encourages your dopamine to be hit.

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Speaker 2: Take to listen to you more from Jack Shay Anywhere.

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Speaker 4: From Sandusky Police say their investigation revealed that Mallory Giles

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Speaker 4: had allegedly been mixing in opioids with medications that had

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Speaker 4: been prescribed. They say the motive for poisoning the ninety

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Speaker 4: three year old man was diabolical.

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Speaker 13: She was trying to keep him medicated to a point

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Speaker 13: where he wasn't looking at bank statements and credit card

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Speaker 13: statements and things like that, where she could just handle

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Speaker 13: those kinds of things without him noticing it.

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Speaker 4: At the conclusion of their investigation, police arrested Mallory Giles

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Speaker 4: on charges that include attempted murder and theft from a

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Speaker 4: protected class which reflects the age and declining health of

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Speaker 4: the victim.

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Speaker 1: So to you, James shell Knott, just as if you

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Speaker 1: attack a minor, have a sex tech on a minor,

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Speaker 1: abuse of the elderly, the sentences are enhanced.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely they are you know you have Almost all states

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Speaker 10: now have enacted a completely additional set of statutes with

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Speaker 10: enhanced punishment for mistering of elderly with us physical abuse,

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Speaker 10: emotional abuse, it can be for financial abuse. But exploitation

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Speaker 10: of the elderly over the past ten or twelve years

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Speaker 10: has really developed as something that is starting to become

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Speaker 10: more well known, something that states are taking more of

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Speaker 10: an active role in combating and yes, absolutely their enhanced

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Speaker 10: sentences for that, and.

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Speaker 1: She can tell us all about it after she's sitting

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Speaker 1: behind jail for a couple of years. Chel McCollum, have

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Speaker 1: you ever seen an intentional poisoning so you can go

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Speaker 1: on a shopping spree? I mean wal art, shoes, clothing, furniture,

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Speaker 1: patio furniture, the works.

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Speaker 9: Let me tell you what I think is brilliant in

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Speaker 9: this situation is the Sandunsky Police.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: They could have called her in and interviewed her in.

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Speaker 12: An interview room. They could have done.

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Speaker 2: A lot of different things.

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Speaker 9: They went to her home with bodycom and they were

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Speaker 9: able to see some of the things that she purchased there.

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Speaker 9: They got her write they at her dining room table,

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Speaker 9: why'd you do it? I don't know why I did it.

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 12: That's the confession.

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Speaker 2: And then they started to ask her.

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Speaker 6: You got a drug problem, you got alcohol problem.

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Speaker 9: They are systematically going away and getting rid of any

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Speaker 9: excuse that she's going to be able to put down

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Speaker 9: the road.

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Speaker 1: Miss Thane just had a shopping problem. Take listen, Tary Morgan.

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Speaker 14: Lieutenant Scott Dahlgren says they believe Giles spent at least

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Speaker 14: fifty thousand dollars, possibly more for online purchases and at

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Speaker 14: a sporting goods store. Dolgren says Giles even bought stuff

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Speaker 14: for her teenage son.

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Speaker 10: We're taking the.

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Speaker 14: Stuff that's going to which easy identifiable.

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Speaker 13: It's large ticket items, couch chair, laige, all your worker

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Speaker 13: stuff outside of his boat, the wall are so what

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Speaker 13: amu it?

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Speaker 12: Generator?

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Speaker 2: It's ut muscimus shot that is it?

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Speaker 5: Not the app?

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Speaker 2: And you just said, like one time.

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Speaker 14: Six months ago, where'd you solve that to be honest

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Speaker 14: with us?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, okay, Caitlinbecker dailymail dot com. So this BOC technical

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Speaker 1: legal term was doping the old man after the daughter

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Speaker 1: had done all she could to take care of him,

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Speaker 1: so she could run through his credit card bills and

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Speaker 1: even buying things for her son, outfitting her whole home

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Speaker 1: and backyard to the tune of at least fifty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: and then she even even resales it on Facebook.

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Speaker 8: It just gets worse and worse every single layer of this.

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Speaker 8: And then, of course you add to the fact that

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Speaker 8: the victim here is a ninety three year old someone

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Speaker 8: who's lived a long life and it's likely had a

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Speaker 8: fixed income. So you're not only taking advantage of someone

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Speaker 8: that you were hired to care for, but you were

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Speaker 8: taking advantage of a protected and vulnerable class. And Nancy,

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Speaker 8: what I find truly wild is that, as we hear

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Speaker 8: in those audio clips, she essentially apologized that several times

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Speaker 8: and says, I don't know why I did it.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. I don't even want to hear her whini.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. She had plenty of time to think about it,

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Speaker 1: stealing fifty thousand dollars and I think probably more. I mean,

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Speaker 1: doctor Moroney, our most vulnerable, the most vulnerable people in

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Speaker 1: our society are the ones that are victimized so horribly,

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Speaker 1: children and the elderly.

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Speaker 5: We have laws and guidelines as healthcare providers that people

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Speaker 5: this age should not be prescribed certain medicines and opioids

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Speaker 5: on a regular basis are identified, the prescribers wouldn't be

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Speaker 5: doing that, so that's why they weren't prescribed, and that's

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Speaker 5: how we know she introduced diverted or stolen drugs into

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Speaker 5: this man's daily regimen.

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Speaker 1: Taylor Becker Daily mail dot com. Where does the case

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Speaker 1: stand now?

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Speaker 8: Well, at this point she been arraigned, she pleaded not guilty,

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Speaker 8: then they had a preliminary hearing and it's now bound

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Speaker 8: on for a grand jury.

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Speaker 1: She probably bailed out on his credit card. I only

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Speaker 1: have one thing to say to Mallory Giles, age thirty four,

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Speaker 1: rod and hell woman.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,