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Speaker 1: Welcome in, all you Faithfuls, traders and survivors. You're in

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Speaker 1: for another episode of By Order of the Faithful, as

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Speaker 1: well as Adams alongside Dolores Catania. Dolores, you look all

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Speaker 1: dulled up? Are you filming today?

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Speaker 2: No, just for you, I figure, just because I like

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Speaker 2: when you tell me I look pretty.

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Speaker 1: This is every day for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're the Well, you're such a good guy. I

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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 1: How you been.

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Speaker 2: I've been good? Yeah, since I've seen you. My daughter

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Speaker 2: got engaged, so.

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Speaker 1: It looked like she got engaged, like on the top

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Speaker 1: of a mountain.

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Speaker 2: They were snowboarding, and I didn't realize there was a

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Speaker 2: time difference there in Aspen, so that's why we didn't

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Speaker 2: get the call when I expected it. She was really shocked.

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Speaker 2: She was surprised, and I'm happy for them. So that's

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Speaker 2: now three weddings in the family coming up.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, well you like this guy?

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Speaker 2: I do. I like him. They're in law, young love.

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Speaker 2: They love each other. So you know, I had the

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Speaker 2: man talk with him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did he ask? Did he ask for your permission

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Speaker 1: to do this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? He did?

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, that's nice.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he did.

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Speaker 1: Well, tell your your daughter and you're soon to be

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Speaker 1: son in law. Congratulations and mousel, thank you.

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Speaker 2: And what have you been doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm in New York right now. My wife's finishing her

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Speaker 1: Broadway run, so I flew out here to help her

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Speaker 1: move back and I finally get my wife back and

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Speaker 1: she'll no longer be making out with Jonathan Graff eight

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Speaker 1: times a week.

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Speaker 2: But wow, it's like it's like you guys are seeing

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Speaker 2: each other for the first time again. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: all about long distance sometimes and missing each other. That

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Speaker 2: is so important to miss each other and to be

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Speaker 2: as as confident, not confident, what it is to have

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Speaker 2: the trust in your relationship that you have. I really

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Speaker 2: think you have an amazing relationship. I love the two

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Speaker 2: of you. I think she's adorable. I love when you

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Speaker 2: post pictures of her dancing with the dogs and he's

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Speaker 2: so cute. I can't You guys are are a great

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Speaker 2: couple and I love it. But speaking of being a

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Speaker 2: part for a long time, you know, my show's coming back.

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Speaker 1: An asked you yesterday, are you excited about this?

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Speaker 2: Yes, but there's new people coming on Wells and I

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Speaker 2: don't know who they are, so you you know, you

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Speaker 2: really it's better I believe the devil you know, than

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Speaker 2: the devil you don't, So after you know, I feel

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Speaker 2: bad that the whole cast didn't come back. That's rough,

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Speaker 2: you know, a little rough.

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Speaker 1: Why what's the politics behind that? Why don't all all

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Speaker 1: the casts come back? They not want to? Or are

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Speaker 1: they not fighted?

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Speaker 2: There was a shake up. NBC felt that they needed

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Speaker 2: to move some things around, so that's what they did.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, so so it's bittersweet, but it's back to work.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm very excited about that. Congratulations, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to watch my show?

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Speaker 1: I absolutely am going to watch your show. This is

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Speaker 1: going to be the first, the first housewife show I

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Speaker 1: think I've ever watched.

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Speaker 2: I want you to start getting into housewives wells, because

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Speaker 2: being a gentleman like you are, I want to know

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Speaker 2: your opinion on things like I like your point of

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Speaker 2: view on things, and I like the way you articulate it,

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Speaker 2: and it's always just very proper and nice and just right.

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Speaker 2: So I would love to hear your opinion on housewife

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Speaker 2: shows well.

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Speaker 1: And someone who I've worked with in the past in

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Speaker 1: Ashley and I Keneddi and Jared Abblin going to be

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Speaker 1: on the show.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be Yeah, well no, that's on Rhode Island. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: New Jersey is getting back, but Rhode Island's coming out.

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Speaker 2: And you know you have to watch that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I will, I will watch. Maybe we should recap that, We.

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Speaker 2: Definitely absolutely should. And just to give you a little teaser,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, I remember a lot. Well, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about today's episodes. Today we've got Kim Spradland Wolf, who's

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Speaker 1: an American reality TV personality and interior designer, best known

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Speaker 1: for winning Survivor one World Back in twenty twelve, taking

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Speaker 1: sprint Player of the Season by the fans. After initial win,

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Speaker 1: she returned to compete on Survivor Winners at War in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, where she placed nine. Following Survivor, Kim transition

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Speaker 1: into the interior design space with their business, Kim Wolf Home.

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Speaker 1: She also hosts a home renovation show on HGTV, including

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Speaker 1: Why the Heck Did I Buy This House with her

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Speaker 1: husband Brian Wolf. Please welcome to by order of the

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Speaker 1: Faithful Survivor Edition, Kim spradland Wolf. Hi, guys, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show. Kim Thanks so much for taking some time

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Speaker 1: and chatting with us. Are you watching season fifty? Are

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Speaker 1: you are you in French like we are?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, I were very much watching season fifty. I

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Speaker 3: Winners at War, I like just took a hiatus from watching,

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Speaker 3: and so this is my first season back watching and

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Speaker 3: I am absolutely loving it. It's also the first time

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Speaker 3: I've ever watched with my kids, who are nine, ten

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Speaker 2: Oh that is so cute. Did you teach them a

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Speaker 3: Well, they had never really watched. They came on sea

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Speaker 3: They do not think so. They I've told them, but

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Speaker 3: and they're like, you look like AI. You know.

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Speaker 2: Wait, well, some day you're gonna have kids that don't

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Speaker 2: think they're that you and your wife are cool. Don't worry. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've kind of waked these like polar

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Speaker 2: You know, So now that you know both sides, is

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Speaker 2: Because there an actual I call my game of Fluke

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Speaker 3: I think it's you know, I think certain people maybe have,

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Speaker 1: We're finding out that, you know, Rizzo really wants to

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I did think it was so fascinating watching some

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Speaker 3: I mean, he just he is and you can sense that.

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Speaker 3: But I love his confidence and like you know, effort vescence,

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Speaker 1: Of the group.

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Speaker 2: But what what do you think separates a good Survivor

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. So they're just you know, I

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Speaker 2: You're one of the greats.

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Speaker 3: So in case you don't realize, that's the the dust

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Speaker 3: I haven't done it in forever. I think the great

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Speaker 3: I think it's a lot in how you treat people,

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Speaker 3: because I really think when it comes down to the end,

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Speaker 3: the swaps, all the shifts, and I one of my

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Speaker 3: but I think I do. Is that you know, at

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Speaker 3: and people really vote for, yes, the person that they

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Speaker 2: Words in their mouth that they didn't say. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: You have to accept if you're a villain, you have

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Speaker 2: See. I think Siri is a threat, terrifying. She's terrifying

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Speaker 2: That's kind of exciting when exciting for them too, But

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Speaker 3: are right now in fifty, because this is where I

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00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 3: always look back and I'm like, Okay, who is who

436
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 3: is emerging kind of as the strong alliances from these

437
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 3: three new tribes from the tribal swap, And then you

438
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 3: have to go back and go, okay, and who were

439
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 3: they aligned with in their initial tribes and where do

440
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 3: those two things come together, Like who really is in

441
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 3: the best position not only from the swap but from

442
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 3: the initial tribe As they go back together, and you

443
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 3: can start to see how this is going to sort of,

444
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 3: you know, break out, and so then they're going to

445
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 3: have the people from their initial alliance only a handful

446
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 3: of people will have to be in conflict and choose

447
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 3: between those two. Some people are going to be able

448
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 3: to honor both their alliance and their second alliance for

449
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 3: a while. And I think those people are in a

450
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 3: really good position, if that makes sense. You know, they're

451
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 3: kind of buried in the.

452
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 2: Middle Rizzo is going for the female alliance I.

453
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: See, or I think is going for just about whatever.

454
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 3: I mean. I do think that's a new era trait

455
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 3: that seems to serve some people really well and others not.

456
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 3: I think Emily's in a good spot, you know. I

457
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: think she's kind of she's been funny and done some

458
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 3: funny things. I think either she's in great grave danger

459
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 3: in the next few episodes, or she's in a good spot.

460
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 3: I feel like D's in a good spot. I really

461
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 3: like Camilla for it. I think she's very clever. I

462
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: think that was very smart for her to like kind

463
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 3: of shift allegiance there and vote out Charlie. It's just

464
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 3: gonna it's gonna be so interesting to see how this

465
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 3: plays out.

466
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what I what it makes me because I

467
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: haven't eat and yet today and I'm about to pass

468
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 2: out and it's only like eleven o'clock or ten. But

469
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: how your challenge, beast? But did you train a lot

470
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: before you went? And are you just kind of showed up?

471
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: And I'm me, yeah, I trained a little. My I

472
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 3: was an athlete growing up, like very average, above average

473
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 3: high school athlete, Like I was nothing remarkable, but I've

474
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: always been like a tomboy, you know, Like I love

475
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 3: to throw a football, and so I went and got

476
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: a grappling hook and like trained in a few things

477
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 3: in my backyard. But I think you have to look

478
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 3: at like who I'm competing against. And I don't mean

479
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 3: that to demean you know, Chelsea or Alicia or Cat

480
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 3: or you know, Tarzan or whatever. But it's like going

481
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: into winters at war. Like that was physically very different

482
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: competing against that group of people than it was the

483
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 3: people that I was competing against for individual immunity in

484
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: one world.

485
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: You know, but you're not eating, Like how do you

486
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: do it?

487
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 3: But eating part is awful. I will not lie to

488
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: you about that. And both of my seasons, the first season,

489
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: I was on the island thirty nine days. The second

490
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 3: time I was on the island thirty six days. Because

491
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: we had the edge of extinction. I lost twenty two

492
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 3: pounds the first time, seventeen the next time. Like we

493
00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: are not eating. It's miserable. The sleeping's miserable. What I

494
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 3: love about it is how miserable you are. It's just

495
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 3: a kind of low that we don't get in our

496
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 3: real lives. And so you just get so clear, You

497
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: get so clear on who you are, what you miss,

498
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 3: what you love, what you want to do. When you

499
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: go back, like it really just like cuts all the crap,

500
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: you know, and you just come back with like such

501
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: clear purpose. So I love that part. Sometimes I missed

502
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 3: that part, you know, I get that it's getting that.

503
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: Did What did you miss the most? What did you

504
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: find out about yourself that you realize that you missed.

505
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: I think I realized, like I've always been a very

506
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 3: social person and had you know, been like a twenty

507
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 3: five friend person, and I spend a lot of time

508
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: with a lot of people, and I realized I really

509
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: only really missed, you know, three or four people, and

510
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 3: that I don't prioritize those relationships enough because I spread

511
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: myself so thin, you know, and so there were these

512
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 3: this just felt so clear. I was like, yeah, there's

513
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 3: these people that I love, all these hundred people, but

514
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 3: there's really just these few people that I don't spend

515
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: enough time connecting with or prioritizing. And so I think,

516
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 3: especially on winters at where I came home and I

517
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: was like, I've been so worried about my career and

518
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 3: building a brand and HGTV, which I went on to,

519
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: do you know that I'm I'm kind of missing being

520
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: a mom, you know, like they're not going to be

521
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: at my house very long. I now look, I'm like,

522
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: they're all going to be gone, and you know, seven

523
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 3: eight years, they'll all be in college, and you know,

524
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to have missed that. Yeah, so that's

525
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: kind of a big one.

526
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: Speaking of season fifty one, are you upset that you

527
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: didn't get the call? Or maybe you did you turned

528
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: it down? And then two, who's playing the best game?

529
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: Who are you really watching that you're excited to see?

530
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: Definitely not sad not to be there. Did not get

531
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: a I don't think anyone from forty is on fifty though.

532
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: I did notice that, so I didn't feel sad to not.

533
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's better in my mind that they didn't

534
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: ask me. I like I like D. I didn't watch

535
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 3: D season. I think D's in a good spot. I

536
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: love Christian, He's so fun. I don't think he's gonna

537
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: make the long haul, but I really like, have enjoyed

538
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 3: watching him very much. I really love Camilla. I did

539
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: watch Camilla season because my kids were watching it, and

540
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: I think she's super smart and super strategic, and I

541
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: think she's in a good spot. I think Emily could

542
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: like go either way right now. But I don't see

543
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 3: I don't see like an Aussie coach Jonathan, you know,

544
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 3: cole h. I don't see Rizzo for it. I don't

545
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,239
Speaker 3: know if he has the like, the the well the

546
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: depth of like experience to draw on to like get

547
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: through what he's about to walk through.

548
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: I gotta be time.

549
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got to be really drained. I mean, I

550
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: think about how horrible I felt when I got back

551
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 3: for months. I mean, there's like a whole like refeeding

552
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: syndrome thing where your boss really a lot of gastro stuff.

553
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 3: People end up in the hospital as they like reacclimate,

554
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: and so I'm sure he just you know, he's so

555
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: lean anyway, Like, yeah, he's got to be super depleted.

556
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: So that's impressive that he did it played on to

557
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: the money. I liked that, you.

558
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Know what I love the most. That's impressive. Besides the

559
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: fact that you're a winner and a fan favorite and

560
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: all these things I'm excited about HGTV, I have to

561
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: ask you about it, tell me all about it. That's

562
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: like a winner.

563
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 3: For me, I filmed my own HGTV show called Why

564
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: the Heck Did I buy this house? And then like

565
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: kind of had another wake up call about going back

566
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: to my family and being present. But last year they

567
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: asked Chelsea Meisner, who is one of my dearest friends

568
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 3: and also was on Survivor One World with me. She

569
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 3: was in the final three with me. She went on

570
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 3: to do Ravo Southern Charm. But we are one of

571
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 3: the teams competing on HGTVS Rock the Block, which comes

572
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 3: out in a couple of weeks, and it's like their

573
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: number one renovation competition show, four teams, four identical houses,

574
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: who did it best? So we filmed that in Vegas

575
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: together in the fall, which was a blast. And I'm

576
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 3: really at my house.

577
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: Please come to my house. I want you here so badly.

578
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: I'm here for it, Dolores.

579
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 2: I have I own a home where my daughter lives

580
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: next now with her five dogs, and I redid the

581
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 2: house didn't come out so great, and I need to

582
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: make a dog proof house. Can we make a show

583
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: about that, Yes, we can still make it look good.

584
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: My note rape doghouse. Absolutely, thank you.

585
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: A dog proof house.

586
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: For me? No, no, my dogs live. It's a thirty

587
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: two hundred square foot doghouse. Yeah, and I know you

588
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about, so like.

589
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: It's definitely possible, right, you just wanted to be bullet

590
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: if we don't have to worry about anything. But it

591
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: still looks really elegant.

592
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: We need the furniture for them to be able to

593
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: lay on that it doesn't get ruined. What kind of material?

594
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: All the woodwork's ruined because they jump on the windows.

595
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: Like you could film Big Brother for dogs. Let's do it.

596
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: The dogs could vote each other out.

597
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: There you go, well as you could produce it.

598
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: All right, I'm done. Last question, Kim did what did

599
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: you enjoy doing more Survivor or HGTV shows so different.

600
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: One has food and beds. Yeah, but it's a lot

601
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: longer I would say Survivor.

602
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: You know, one's got a million dollars at the end.

603
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: Survivor was, like I always say, it was like Narnia

604
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: for me, you know, like having watched it, been so

605
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: obsessed and then literally coming out through the forest, seeing

606
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: the challenges, hearing Jeff Prope's voice like I'll never forget it.

607
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: It was magical.

608
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on by order of

609
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: the Faithfuls. We're going to have back on next episode

610
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: to recap all of episode five real quick before we

611
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: let you go. Where can people find you? Where can

612
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: people follow you? And exactly when is the HGTV show

613
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: coming out?

614
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: Great question? It airs April thirteenth. I don't know what

615
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: time on HGTV. I'm on Instagram occasionally, and other than that,

616
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: you really can't find me. I'm just hiding out at

617
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: my house. It was really guys, Thank you for having me.

618
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: It was fun.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Kim