Speaker 1: Now from our nation's Capitol. This is Bloomberg Sound on
Speaker 1: How do you get fair and free elections? You have
Speaker 1: to fight and win. It is offensive for Carry Lake
Speaker 1: to say that these people behind me are slow rolling.
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Speaker 1: Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The election
Speaker 1: week is not over yet. Welcome to the fastest hour
Speaker 1: in politics. With thousands of votes still to be counted
Speaker 1: in the balance of power on Capitol Hill still this
Speaker 1: Friday up in the air. Republicans appear to be crawling
Speaker 1: towards a slim majority in the House, but Democrats still
Speaker 1: have a path and they feel good about the Senate.
Speaker 1: Will review the landscape with Major Garrett, the CBS News
Speaker 1: Washington correspondent, author of the book The Big Truth, is
Speaker 1: back with us one week later to discuss what we've
Speaker 1: learned our Signature panel is with us to to review
Speaker 1: the big races yet to be called and Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: latest assault on his own party. Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick
Speaker 1: Davis and Jeannie Chanzano have lived through it all with
Speaker 1: us this week, and they're here for the hour. So yes,
Speaker 1: here we are on d plus three and still no
Speaker 1: official call on the House or the Senate. We told
Speaker 1: you this could happen, and it will likely be days
Speaker 1: more until all this is done. The Republicans are getting
Speaker 1: pretty close in the House, seven seats by my count
Speaker 1: away from claiming majority that which Kevin McCarthy claimed on
Speaker 1: Tuesday night. Democrats who have lost nine here would essentially
Speaker 1: have to run the table. But there it's still mathematically possible.
Speaker 1: And by the way, still no call in Lauren Bobert's race,
Speaker 1: Colorado's third she's leading Democrat Adam Fish by I guess
Speaker 1: it's heading for a recount, most likely on the Senate side.
Speaker 1: It's still a best of three. In Nevada, Senator Catherine
Speaker 1: Cortes Mastow trailing Republican Adam Laxalt by about nine thousand
Speaker 1: votes about one percent. Democrats that were optimistic about the
Speaker 1: mail in balance yet to be counted, and Senator Mark
Speaker 1: Kelly in Arizona is leading Blake Masters still by about
Speaker 1: five percentage points, and it sounds like they're counting through
Speaker 1: the weekend. Carry Lake, the Republican candidate for governor in
Speaker 1: Arizona who's trailing Democrat Katie Hobbs, is accusing the state
Speaker 1: of purposefully slow rolling the count something that she's been
Speaker 1: claiming since actually before election night. This was her own election.
Speaker 1: I listened, if we have to fight through the bs
Speaker 1: and the garbage, then we will fight through the bs
Speaker 1: and the garbage. But how do you get fair and
Speaker 1: free elections? You have to fight and win to make
Speaker 1: them fair and free. And we needed another stark reminder
Speaker 1: that we have incompetent people running the show in Arizona.
Speaker 1: Well you know, officials Amercopa County disagree as you might.
Speaker 1: Well imagine, here's Bill Gates, remember he was with us
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, the county supervisor who was
Speaker 1: here on sound on today, reacting to carry Lake. Listen,
Speaker 1: it is offensive for Carrie Lake to say that these
Speaker 1: people behind me are slow rolling this when they're working
Speaker 1: fourteen to eighteen hours. So I really hope this is
Speaker 1: the end of that. Now we can be patient and
Speaker 1: respect the results when they come out, and so the
Speaker 1: count will continue into the weekend. The outcome of these
Speaker 1: two again will determine whether Georgia is the tiebreaker when
Speaker 1: the runoff between Senator Warnock and herschel Walker happens on
Speaker 1: December six. And we spoke one week ago, right at
Speaker 1: this time about what was about to happen in these
Speaker 1: mid term elections, in a fascinating conversation with Major Garrett,
Speaker 1: the CBS News Chief Washington correspondent, author of the book
Speaker 1: The Big Truth, and we wanted to bring him back
Speaker 1: exactly one week later because of his unique perspective on
Speaker 1: the stakes in this cycle, and because he's a connoisseur
Speaker 1: of Kentucky bourbon. Major, welcome back. That's great to be
Speaker 1: with you. When we spoke last week, did you think
Speaker 1: the House would still be up in the year on Friday?
Speaker 1: I thought it was possible, But like many reporters who
Speaker 1: were talking to Republicans very closely watching the House races
Speaker 1: and the underlying polling data and Democrats who are doing
Speaker 1: the same, it felt as if there would be more
Speaker 1: Republican victory sooner on election night than manifested. We're all
Speaker 1: looking at Virginia and Rhode Island and Connecticut and Indiana's
Speaker 1: first congressional districts early bellweathers, and by about nine thirty
Speaker 1: on election night, those were coming back either as toss
Speaker 1: ups or lean Democrats. In many cases the Republicans only
Speaker 1: one one of three races they targeted in Virginia didn't win,
Speaker 1: the one in Rhode Island didn't win, Indiana didn't win anything.
Speaker 1: They had circled the map on in Pennsylvania, and so
Speaker 1: it became clear that this was if there was going
Speaker 1: to be a Republican resurgence or enough to get a majority,
Speaker 1: it would probably have to happen out west, and my
Speaker 1: co author David Becker dead too many outlets, including CBS,
Speaker 1: we may not know for days upon days upon days,
Speaker 1: because California votes counts its votes slowly, and typically that
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because margins are so wide, they're well, they're
Speaker 1: close in several house races. Those races are still awaiting verdicts,
Speaker 1: and that's why we don't have a House majority yet.
Speaker 1: And they've got a good half a million votes or
Speaker 1: something that count in California's So here's the way here's
Speaker 1: the way CBS News calculated. Some networks and cables have
Speaker 1: projections up. We don't. What we do is we describe
Speaker 1: where we think the floor for both parties in the houses,
Speaker 1: and we believe the floor currently for the Republicans in
Speaker 1: the House is to thirteen and the floor for Democrats
Speaker 1: is two oh six. We don't offer projection numbers then
Speaker 1: say plus or minus off that we think that's too confusing.
Speaker 1: We believe the floor are for Democrats too oh six,
Speaker 1: the floor for Republicans to thirteen. Meeting Republicans are closer
Speaker 1: to that magic number of two eighteens. They sure are
Speaker 1: in the Senate. We talked a lot last week about
Speaker 1: the fact that democracy was on the ballot, the fact
Speaker 1: that we could have states stacked with people who deny
Speaker 1: the results of election. It didn't happen quite that way.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of things are still up in
Speaker 1: the air in Arizona and things could still happen, but
Speaker 1: there seemed to be largely a rejection to that type
Speaker 1: of rhetoric. And what's really been turned into a narrative
Speaker 1: that it was a bad night for Donald Trump. But
Speaker 1: we're people saying no to the phenomenon that you and
Speaker 1: I were talking about. They were and look our book.
Speaker 1: The big truth wasn't on the ballot in any respect.
Speaker 1: But what we argue in the book, and it's really
Speaker 1: not an argument, it's a celebration first of all of
Speaker 1: election administrators and pull workers around our country and pull
Speaker 1: observers who do this work every election and do it
Speaker 1: better than any other country on the planet. Celebration of
Speaker 1: that end, a complete declaration of the facts of the
Speaker 1: election and how we can believe in election results going forward.
Speaker 1: All of that was vindicated on Tuesday night because all
Speaker 1: the procedures worked and the results are believed, and many
Speaker 1: Republicans who were once playing with the notion of denialism
Speaker 1: conceded exactly what they should do in America. You try
Speaker 1: your best, and if you lose, you concede. And we
Speaker 1: began to see that there really is a noticeable vote
Speaker 1: her rejection in many places, under lots of different circumstances
Speaker 1: of the idea that denialism is a believable thing. It's not.
Speaker 1: And not only that for Republicans, I would say this
Speaker 1: to this entire party. It's destructive. If you have a
Speaker 1: candidate who tells swing voters you might be conspirators in
Speaker 1: a crime against democracy, and it's not true. You know
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do, They're not going to vote for you.
Speaker 1: And that played out over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: What a scenario imagine if you're down at the MGM
Speaker 1: at National Harbor later tonight, major, what do the odds
Speaker 1: look like for for Democrats keeping the House? Is that
Speaker 1: even a conversation we have with a straight face. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can have a plausibly, but look, the trajectories do
Speaker 1: favor Republicans and probably at the two to twenty maybe
Speaker 1: twenty two margin. More important fact there is, and look,
Speaker 1: whoever controls the House has supervision of the purse strings
Speaker 1: in our federal government and the taxation. That's a constitutional
Speaker 1: prerogative of the House majority. But House majorities matter in
Speaker 1: their ability to enforce their will. The House, not elect.
Speaker 1: The Senate is a majoritarian body. Well, when you only
Speaker 1: have three or four or five votes to give, every
Speaker 1: vote then becomes dramatic because if you have anyone walk
Speaker 1: off the reservation and trust me. In the House Republican conference,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who have already anounced
Speaker 1: they want to walk off the reservation. If Kevin McCarthy
Speaker 1: doesn't please them as the presumptive speaker, their problems only
Speaker 1: begin to multiply and become more visible once they crossed
Speaker 1: that to eight team threshold. This is a be careful
Speaker 1: what you ask for a situation for Kevin McCarthy, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, either he gets the gavel and has an
Speaker 1: incredibly slim majority, maybe even less than Nancy Pelosi had,
Speaker 1: or uh, you know, the Caesar games begin here, and
Speaker 1: we were already hearing about several different challenges to his
Speaker 1: authority in the Republican Party in the House. They're also
Speaker 1: challenging leadership in the Senate right now. But is this
Speaker 1: is this a good week or a bad one for
Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. I think it's a very complicated week for him,
Speaker 1: far more complicated than he imagined. Look, he raised a
Speaker 1: ton of money, traveled all over the country. He gave
Speaker 1: a lot of assurances to Trumpian House Republicans that they
Speaker 1: would get their way and get prominent positions, did all
Speaker 1: the things you have to do to nail down your speakership.
Speaker 1: But already today, Jason Miller, an adviser to former President Trump, said,
Speaker 1: unless Kevin McCarthy declares right now that he supports Trump
Speaker 1: in four, shouldn't be speaker. That's a shot across the bell.
Speaker 1: What what possible role should that play in deciding who
Speaker 1: the next Speaker of the House is Well in a
Speaker 1: Trumpian world, apparently a lot. When you look ahead to
Speaker 1: a Trumpian world, potentially in twenty four and you see
Speaker 1: the media, the conservative media assault on him, from the
Speaker 1: Murdoch media, you see Donald Trump lashing out at Glenn
Speaker 1: Yuncan do you think he actually announces next week? Every
Speaker 1: indication I've gotten, and my colleague Robert Costa has gotten,
Speaker 1: is that Tuesday is not an exploratory thing. It's not
Speaker 1: a dipatone in the war. He's already got a committee.
Speaker 1: There's nothing he needs to explore. It's a full on
Speaker 1: declaration that he's running. And then does that clear the
Speaker 1: field or are we in a different world? Does not
Speaker 1: know it does not talk about split screen political programming.
Speaker 1: At the very same time or near the same time,
Speaker 1: Trump will be making an announcement if all goes on
Speaker 1: schedule at marl Lago. Rhonda Santists will be just north
Speaker 1: of West Palm Beach in Orlando, and of an event
Speaker 1: with the Republican Governor's Association, and I guarantee you this,
Speaker 1: they'll be more big party donors listening to Ron Santis
Speaker 1: and watching Donald Trump on television. Wow, that's a lot
Speaker 1: to think about. Major, thank you for coming back to
Speaker 1: check in with us. It's a it's a pleasure to
Speaker 1: compare notes. Major Garrett is the CBS Chief Washington correspondent,
Speaker 1: and the book is called The Big Truth, Upholding Democracy
Speaker 1: in the Age of the Big Lie, and now that
Speaker 1: we're through the midterms, it's actually even more relevant. I
Speaker 1: would suggest our panel is with us for the rest
Speaker 1: of the hour. This is a great opportunity to walk
Speaker 1: through everything that's happened the past twenty four hours. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna bring you sounds from all over the country since
Speaker 1: we last spoke. Some of it will concern you. Some
Speaker 1: of it, as ever, is amusing because we are talking
Speaker 1: about politics after all. But we're walking into a weekend
Speaker 1: with a lot of uncertainty here. Some races could be
Speaker 1: called likely. The big ones are gonna last until next week.
Speaker 1: As we discussed with Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzino, coming
Speaker 1: up our signature panel right here where you would expect
Speaker 1: on the fastest hour in polite six. I'm Joe Matthew
Speaker 1: and Washington. Stay with us, will check traffic markets on
Speaker 1: the way. Can you believe it's Friday. It seems like
Speaker 1: it's been two weeks in one here. Stay with us.
Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on
Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Carrie Lake is not
Speaker 1: at the moment at least winning the race for governor
Speaker 1: in Arizona. She's trailing by just a little bit here,
Speaker 1: trailing Democrat Katie Hobbs. But the narrative remains the same,
Speaker 1: well ever since election day, that they're slow rolling the count,
Speaker 1: that ballots were being put in boxes and brought to
Speaker 1: different places, that the tabulators were not working. And Bill Gates,
Speaker 1: the the supervisor of the county, Maricopa County, forgive me,
Speaker 1: he was with us a couple of days ago here
Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Sound On. It's just asking everybody to bring
Speaker 1: it down to not listen. I'm concerned about getting this
Speaker 1: count done, and that's what everyone in this building is
Speaker 1: concerned about. Everybody needs to calm down a little bit
Speaker 1: and turn the rhetoric. Count. Yeah, he's telling reporters they're
Speaker 1: going to be counting for the weekend. So that's not
Speaker 1: just the Kerry Lake race, that's the Senate race as well,
Speaker 1: Mark Kelly, who's up by about five percentage points five
Speaker 1: and a half percentage points here in Democrats feel pretty
Speaker 1: good about it. Let's assemble the panel and start the
Speaker 1: conversation right there with Rick Davis and Gen Chanzano, Bloomberg
Speaker 1: Politics contributors. Rick, you've been pretty consistent about this. You
Speaker 1: didn't expect to call in Arizona last night, You don't
Speaker 1: expect one tonight. How long are we looking? Probably through
Speaker 1: the weekend. Um, this is not unusual. This is pretty
Speaker 1: much how Arizona counts ballots. And uh, you know, Mark
Speaker 1: Cope is one of the largest counties in America, so
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of ballots account and and they
Speaker 1: get a lot of criticism, but they do a pretty
Speaker 1: thorough job. Remember when they were protested and investigations occurred
Speaker 1: in turned out that, you know, the account was incredibly accurate. So, uh,
Speaker 1: if you want it right, you gotta do it right.
Speaker 1: And I think you know that's exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 1: So you know, they've got three more ballots account it'll
Speaker 1: take through the weekend and probably in a Monday, and
Speaker 1: that gives carry like plenty of opportunity to spread some
Speaker 1: pretty wild conspiracy theories. Uh here, Jeanie, are we at
Speaker 1: the point of of of danger when when someone like
Speaker 1: Bill Gates comes out to brief reporters and asking Carry
Speaker 1: Lake to call off the dogs, remembering the environment we
Speaker 1: were in with people stalking drop off boxes ballot boxes
Speaker 1: in the days leading up to this. That's right, and
Speaker 1: she is helped in this effort by Donald Trump, who
Speaker 1: has been out saying similar types of things. But the
Speaker 1: reality is is the way in which they count the ballots,
Speaker 1: as Rick just talked about, is long been known. They
Speaker 1: have said how long it was going to take. It
Speaker 1: may not be the way everybody wants it. We may
Speaker 1: have wanted the results on election night, but that's simply
Speaker 1: not the way they do business out in Arizona. And
Speaker 1: Kelly had a lead when the Maricopa County ballots came
Speaker 1: out last night, but by about so we extended his
Speaker 1: lead overall about six percent versus Masters. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't know how it's going to turn out, but there's
Speaker 1: going to continue to be updates and they think they're
Speaker 1: not going to really finish counting until after the weekend,
Speaker 1: so everybody has just got to hold their fire. But
Speaker 1: of course that doesn't work politically for somebody like carry Lake,
Speaker 1: so she certainly won't. Looking at Nevada, it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of a similar situation here, Rick, where you've got a
Speaker 1: race that is, you know, not they're not able to
Speaker 1: call it, but Democrats feel pretty good about it. Over
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand at last. I heard ballots that that
Speaker 1: had to be counted. Still many of the mail in
Speaker 1: from urban areas, and so they feel like they might
Speaker 1: be able to close this deal. Could you see a
Speaker 1: world in which Arizona Nevada both go Democrat in the
Speaker 1: next Arizona The trajectory in the Senate is already pretty
Speaker 1: much baked, right, It had something extraordinary would have to
Speaker 1: happen for Kelly to lose that race. So when you
Speaker 1: look at Laxalt being up by what less than nine thousand,
Speaker 1: nine thousand votes, and you know, with over a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand left and and trending towards the Democrats, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a slippery slope. Uh. And there's no question that
Speaker 1: Cortis Masto could get there. But again, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be you know, like somebody wins by fifteen thousand votes
Speaker 1: or ten thousand votes, and and so sure, and I'll
Speaker 1: probably go to a recount. Will be still be talking
Speaker 1: about this by the end of next week. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think Democrats are right.
Speaker 1: I mean, the trend is with them. Accounting takes a while,
Speaker 1: and at the end, if I were a betting man,
Speaker 1: I would have to say that courtis mast overtakes Laxault
Speaker 1: by a few thousand votes, you know, by by Monday
Speaker 1: or Tuesday. Interesting challenge to the leadership in the Senate.
Speaker 1: Everyone's been talking about Kevin McCarthy and I see it.
Speaker 1: Punch Bowl got a copy of a letter from Senators
Speaker 1: Rick Scott, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee calling for a delay
Speaker 1: in the leadership election. Dear colleagues were all disappointed their
Speaker 1: red wave failed to materialize, and there are multiple reasons
Speaker 1: it did not. It says we need to have serious
Speaker 1: discussions within our conference as to why and what can
Speaker 1: be done to improve our chances in Uh, does Mitch
Speaker 1: McConnell have something to worry about? Rick? You know, look,
Speaker 1: I mean this was a bad year and and he's
Speaker 1: in leadership, so yeah, sure. And Rick Scott, well, you know,
Speaker 1: probably not. I think the there's a lot more insulation
Speaker 1: in the Senate than there is in the House when
Speaker 1: it comes to like, you know, influenced by people like
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and trying to move leadership. Um. But look,
Speaker 1: I mean there are people like Rick Scott who had
Speaker 1: been saying all along that you know, he wanted to
Speaker 1: see a leadership change. What's interesting is no real um
Speaker 1: uh leadership types are calling for a change. So my
Speaker 1: guess is this is the fringe um commit sing uh
Speaker 1: and it won't amount much more to that. Uh. And look,
Speaker 1: I mean nobody said it more than Mitch McConnell. If
Speaker 1: you'd had better cast of characters to run this cycle,
Speaker 1: he might have had a better cushion of victory. Jennie,
Speaker 1: I see you over there are Democrat canalysts sort of
Speaker 1: smiling through this whole conversation, even though we're not in
Speaker 1: the same room. But uh, is this not the like
Speaker 1: the best thing that could have happened to Democrats here
Speaker 1: they're sort of not losing a huge number of seats,
Speaker 1: but hand the majority over to Republicans so they can
Speaker 1: take the blame for things that happened over the next
Speaker 1: two years and then set up Joe Biden and Biden
Speaker 1: or whomever for a re election. The idea that the
Speaker 1: Democrats could impossibly we don't know yet, not lose a
Speaker 1: single Senate seat in this election cycle, you know, or
Speaker 1: maybe just lose one or two is a stunning development.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Democrats have to be careful, but they're smirking
Speaker 1: a little bit. And even if they lose the Senate,
Speaker 1: it's it's not as bad because they still have the
Speaker 1: filibuster and of course that allows Joe Biden to have
Speaker 1: a smoother pathway if he decides to run in twenty
Speaker 1: four to say, you know, I I couldn't work with
Speaker 1: the Republicans in the Senate. So it's it's positive all
Speaker 1: around for Democrats. Blaming goes with the gavel. We'll continue
Speaker 1: our conversation and looked at Georgia next with the panel.
Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. Thanks for being with us on Bloomberg
Speaker 1: Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. As we wait
Speaker 1: for December six, we just don't know if it's going
Speaker 1: to be the vote that decides control of the Senate
Speaker 1: or potentially a little extra gravy for somebody here. Another vote,
Speaker 1: another seat wouldn't hurt if you want to get something done,
Speaker 1: particularly if you're trying to keep up with the other chamber.
Speaker 1: Raphael Warnock, boy, imagine this being told you've got another
Speaker 1: month of this. You can feel it listening to him today,
Speaker 1: the senator from Georgia here he is, Are you all
Speaker 1: ready to fight? Are you ready to get this done?
Speaker 1: I need you to show up and vote because the
Speaker 1: vote is a kind of prayer for the world we desire,
Speaker 1: for ourselves and for our children's resell the panel, Rick
Speaker 1: Davis and Genie Schanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors. Jennie, this is,
Speaker 1: you know, hitting the reset button like this is tough.
Speaker 1: They've just lived through a grueling number of weeks here
Speaker 1: on the campaign trail. Have the final arguments been made
Speaker 1: or do you still have to be out there campaigning
Speaker 1: every day in this environment when it's just one race.
Speaker 1: They're going to be out there campaigning, you know, And
Speaker 1: obviously Warnock just did this last time around. He's going
Speaker 1: to have to do it again, you know. Thankfully for him,
Speaker 1: it's not the two months that they had last time.
Speaker 1: They have shortened the window here because it was January
Speaker 1: last time. This is now December. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: ruined his Thanksgiving for sure. And he is going to
Speaker 1: be happy out there fighting as his walker for every vote.
Speaker 1: And there's gonna be a lot of money spent, but
Speaker 1: of course it's going to depend a lot on Arizona, Nevada,
Speaker 1: how much the party's invest We certainly got Lindsay Graham
Speaker 1: at his back here. My goodness, uh Graham on Fox
Speaker 1: last night he was talking to Sean Hannity about this,
Speaker 1: became emotional and then it became a meme. But he's
Speaker 1: been in Georgia a lot stumping for herschel Walker, certainly
Speaker 1: before of midterm elections. That apparently he's gonna be hanging
Speaker 1: around a while. And he's been hitting a similar note here,
Speaker 1: which doesn't frankly sit well with everybody. Listen to Senator
Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham. If herschel wins, he's gonna inspire people all
Speaker 1: over Georgia of color to become Republicans, and I say
Speaker 1: all over the United States. Herschel Walker is a nightmare
Speaker 1: for liberals. He's an African American conservative. They have belittled him.
Speaker 1: They have treated him like crap. His family stand by
Speaker 1: Herschel tonight. If you can give, give, if you know
Speaker 1: somebody that can give, ask him to do it. Is
Speaker 1: he emotionally involved in this rick? You know, he gets emotional.
Speaker 1: We've seen him, you know in Supreme Court, Uh, confirmation hearings,
Speaker 1: get emotional. Uh. He's passionate about politics. He does believe
Speaker 1: this stuff. I mean a lot of people think he's
Speaker 1: you know, sort of contrived, but this is Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is Lindsay Graham. He gets himself in the middle of
Speaker 1: these things and gets very excited. Uh. We certainly had
Speaker 1: the benefit of all his excitement, you know, when John
Speaker 1: mcamb's running for president. But the bottom line on it
Speaker 1: is is, I mean, like you know, he's got a
Speaker 1: hard job, and that is to find a way to
Speaker 1: get Republicans to go out again after these big races
Speaker 1: just this last week and and cast another ballot at
Speaker 1: which point when there's nothing else at stake but Herschel
Speaker 1: Walker And arguably Herschel has done a good job of
Speaker 1: mobilizing that base. But how much of that was from
Speaker 1: Governor Kemp and the extraordinary election victory he got, and
Speaker 1: how many hotels he had that helped herschel Walker. So
Speaker 1: unfortunately for Lindsay, it's all about herschel now. And I
Speaker 1: can see why Lindsay wants to try and make it
Speaker 1: exciting for people, because up until this point in time,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Republicans descritch and head going
Speaker 1: where did this guy come from? Well, you know, Lindsay
Speaker 1: Graham has been getting a lot of talk on social
Speaker 1: media since that appearance and frankly since his prior appearances
Speaker 1: just just before uh the elections, Genie and and you know, look,
Speaker 1: some are asking, is he aware that there's another black
Speaker 1: candidate in this race, that there's a black reverend on
Speaker 1: the other side of this conversation? Yeah, that's right, you know,
Speaker 1: the way the way he makes it sound in that
Speaker 1: clip from Sean Hannity, he has no idea about that,
Speaker 1: but of course I don't know. It's kind of misleading,
Speaker 1: it is, And of course I think what he would
Speaker 1: probably say is he's talking about African American conservatives. Um,
Speaker 1: I think he would stress that he sounds, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of a trying like he's trying to be a
Speaker 1: reverend himself out there, very emotional and sort of calling
Speaker 1: people to arms, but to Rick's point, the question is
Speaker 1: is it going to be enough? You know, will people
Speaker 1: in Georgia get out? And I would say the same
Speaker 1: thing for Warnock. Democrats have to be very careful here.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the enemy is when your party does better than
Speaker 1: expected and people say, hey, we had a good time,
Speaker 1: why do we have to go out again? So they're
Speaker 1: really going to have to make the case on both
Speaker 1: sides to get the base out again. It's asking a
Speaker 1: lot of voters in Georgia. And to be fair, he
Speaker 1: did say conservative. I don't misleading is not the right word.
Speaker 1: Maybe tone deaf, Rick, I don't know some of the
Speaker 1: criticism that Lindsey grahams geting on Twitter. Uh that that
Speaker 1: he's he's simply not framing this appropriately with regard to
Speaker 1: having a so called black conservative on the ballot. Yeah, look,
Speaker 1: he's being blunt. And that's not the first time Lindsay
Speaker 1: Graham was ever blunt. Uh. Look, I mean he he
Speaker 1: shares uh duties in South Carolina with Tim Scott. You know,
Speaker 1: a conservative African American who has done incredibly well and
Speaker 1: is this inspiration to many African Americans who want to
Speaker 1: be a Republican and want to know whether or not,
Speaker 1: they'll be welcome. So he's seen firsthand how how much
Speaker 1: that can benefit a party in South Carolina like it has.
Speaker 1: And there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying, you know that
Speaker 1: if if herschel Walker can get elected, um, you know,
Speaker 1: he will be an inspiration to African American conservatives. The problem.
Speaker 1: The problem is you want herschel Walker to be an
Speaker 1: inspirational person before you say that you're going to do
Speaker 1: it because he's an African American. Scott is an inspirational
Speaker 1: person and he just happens to be freaking American. Well,
Speaker 1: it's really very well put, Rick, and that's why I
Speaker 1: had to throw this at you guys. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the next leg is in this race, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot of opo on both sides. Jennie, what are
Speaker 1: we gonna learn about Raphael Warnock or you know from here,
Speaker 1: guy can't even imagine herschel Walker. I know that the
Speaker 1: idea that there can be more to come. We've heard
Speaker 1: enough already. You know, we don't want to hear more,
Speaker 1: but we absolutely might. And you know, Democrats response to
Speaker 1: what Lindsay Graham is saying is they don't oppose herschel
Speaker 1: Walker because of his race. Obviously, they oppose his conservative values,
Speaker 1: his ideals, and the fact that he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: character in their mind to serve as Senate. So there
Speaker 1: is a response for them to make. But I do
Speaker 1: fear that with all of the dirt out there on Walker,
Speaker 1: and we know there is some potentially on Warnock, this
Speaker 1: may get vicious, particularly again if the Senate comes down
Speaker 1: to Georgia, which we may not know till early next week.
Speaker 1: You keep something in your pocket for times like this. Rick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: rabbit's foot. We'll see. They stay with us the best
Speaker 1: panel in the business, Rick and Genie on Bloomberg Sound On,
Speaker 1: as we turned to Donald Trump's war against his own party.
Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew and Washington. This is Bloomberg. You're listening
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Speaker 1: The headline on the terminal De Santis blowout, Biden's lifts
Speaker 1: stir Trump fury ahead of twenty four. Mark Niquette and
Speaker 1: Jordan Fabian share the byline for Bloomberg and boy, this
Speaker 1: has been something to watch. We talked last night about
Speaker 1: the Trumpty Dumpty bit and the back and forth with
Speaker 1: the Murdoch media. But boy, Donald Trump was just in
Speaker 1: firing mode and still is late last night, early this
Speaker 1: morning now aiming at Glenn Yuncan of all people, I mean,
Speaker 1: I could just point and click here and pick any
Speaker 1: number of folks he's calling out, but this Glenn young Can. Uh. Well,
Speaker 1: I won't call it a tweet, it's a truth. Right.
Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable remembering this is where Donald Trump was
Speaker 1: the day before I believe the elections. He spoke with
Speaker 1: News Nation just to sort of set the baseline for
Speaker 1: everything that was about to happen. Listen, Well, I think
Speaker 1: if they win, I should get all the credit, and
Speaker 1: if they lose, I should not be blamed at all. Okay,
Speaker 1: but it'll probably be just the opposite. When they went
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna do very well. I'll probably be
Speaker 1: given very little credit. Now. So of course he went
Speaker 1: on this wild salvo one after the other against Rhonda
Speaker 1: Santis right around the time we were coming off the
Speaker 1: are yesterday. So, like I said, last evening into this morning,
Speaker 1: after he talked about the day that Rhondda Santis came
Speaker 1: to him a shambles and revived his political career. He
Speaker 1: now takes aim at the other Republican who could be
Speaker 1: king or so we here Glenn Yuncan, of course right
Speaker 1: he He wrote the recipe in Virginia with Donald Trump's support,
Speaker 1: but not appearing with Donald Trump. Donald J. Trump writes
Speaker 1: young Kin in parentheses. Now that's an interesting take. Sounds Chinese,
Speaker 1: doesn't it? Young Kin in Virginia couldn't have one without me.
Speaker 1: I endorsed him to the very big Trump rally for him, telephonically,
Speaker 1: got Maggot a vote for him, or he couldn't have
Speaker 1: come close to winning. But he knows that, admits it,
Speaker 1: besides having a hard time with DEM's in Virginia. But
Speaker 1: he'll get it done. We actually heard from Glenn Yunkin today.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if he'd respond to this, but you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you have no choice. Reporters were surrounding him at
Speaker 1: an unrelated event. Glenn Uncan, in reaction to being called
Speaker 1: young Kin sounds Chinese, doesn't it? From Donald Trump? Here?
Speaker 1: He is. First of all, I didn't see it, and
Speaker 1: I have to I have to be honest. I've been
Speaker 1: busy all morning. Um listen, I you you know me.
Speaker 1: I do. I do not call people names. I really
Speaker 1: work hard to bring people together, and that's what we're working.
Speaker 1: Only well, I'm saying, and I just that's not the
Speaker 1: way I roll and not the way I behave, and
Speaker 1: and I think again, this is a moment for us
Speaker 1: to come together. Uh so that's not the way I roll,
Speaker 1: but says he didn't see it, which is pretty amazing
Speaker 1: because it's certainly made the rounds. Let's reassemble the panel,
Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano or here Bloomberg Politics contributors. Uh,
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen, Rick, with the election,
Speaker 1: is that the best move for glenn yncan to just
Speaker 1: stay a hundred miles away from this? So are you
Speaker 1: telling me he's not following Trump on true social I
Speaker 1: mean his own that's a violation of decorum amongst Republicans,
Speaker 1: I mean around mon Governor young ken Um. Look, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know he wants to avoid Donald Trump. He did
Speaker 1: a really good job avoiding him during his own campaign.
Speaker 1: I mean to the point where you made is everyone
Speaker 1: was thinking, hey, maybe this is the model. You just
Speaker 1: don't have him come your state. Uh. There're probably a
Speaker 1: lot of people, including you know, mement Oz and others
Speaker 1: who wish they'd followed a similar pattern. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see how so many people, literally within
Speaker 1: the same week of the election are trying to run
Speaker 1: for the back door within this Republican Party dominated by
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I mean, you know, it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: almost like the entire future of the Republican Party has
Speaker 1: gone into reverse, where being a part of the Trump
Speaker 1: operation is now all of a sudden, somehow a bad
Speaker 1: thing for you to be if you're in the Republican Party.
Speaker 1: And we've seen this before in previous elections, but uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's taken an extra cycle to have it come
Speaker 1: around to Donald Trump. I don't know if you saw
Speaker 1: the shot against RHN de Santis or Glen you can here, Genie,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you've seen both. But is he just trying
Speaker 1: to scare people away potentially days before he announces his run,
Speaker 1: or is he really starting to feel like he might
Speaker 1: not be the guy anymore? You know, i'mlike Governor, you
Speaker 1: can I do follow truth social so I do you
Speaker 1: know for you Joe Matthew, Yeah, so you don't have to.
Speaker 1: So you know, he is playing the old Trump playbook
Speaker 1: of trying to clear the field before he announces. Um,
Speaker 1: he did it before in twenties fifteen, he's trying to
Speaker 1: do it again. You know who I feel sorry is
Speaker 1: for here is Tiffany Trump. Imagine that she is going
Speaker 1: down to mar Lago for her wedding and her father
Speaker 1: is literally out of control, angry down there. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to be Tiffany Trump. They may have to have
Speaker 1: an intervention at this point. And let's not forget when
Speaker 1: he announces. You know you were talking to Major Garrett.
Speaker 1: Looks like that announcements going forward. Apparently all kinds of
Speaker 1: invites have gone out for that. You know. At the
Speaker 1: same time, the Republican Governor's Association is meeting, and that's
Speaker 1: where all the power in the party is. So the
Speaker 1: fascinating juxtaposition of those two things, with the sanctimonious and
Speaker 1: young Kin and all of these people there who have
Speaker 1: real power, and him, you know, in Mara Lago announcing
Speaker 1: he's going to do this again. It's quite going to
Speaker 1: be quite a blitz screen. Although we probably won't get
Speaker 1: into the Republican Governor's Association because I think that's going
Speaker 1: to be private. Trump writes, Ron came to me in
Speaker 1: desperate shape. In seventeen, he was politically dead, losing in
Speaker 1: a landslide to a very good add commissioner at H.
Speaker 1: Putnam who was loaded up with cash and great poll numbers.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of stuff we used to hear. But
Speaker 1: then he starts to invoke the FBI rick and suggests
Speaker 1: that he may have somehow rigged the election for Rhonda Santis.
Speaker 1: Is that what we're to believe? That's certainly the way
Speaker 1: I took it, that he instructed the Justice Department to
Speaker 1: go down there and like, you know, stop counting ballots
Speaker 1: because you know the Santis was gonna lose if they
Speaker 1: kept counting ballots, and and you know, look, you can't.
Speaker 1: This is what's so ironic. He's it's just like when
Speaker 1: he was on Twitter. We follow this stuff. We can't
Speaker 1: help ourselves. It's like driving, you know, past a wreck.
Speaker 1: You gotta look and and and the man's just nothing
Speaker 1: but a big train wreck. Look, there's no indication, And
Speaker 1: I think the Just Department even said that there's no
Speaker 1: indication that we had anybody go down there, at least
Speaker 1: former Justice Department people. And I think that the other
Speaker 1: guys have too much to do investigating Donald Trump right
Speaker 1: now to actually respond to these things. But the bottom
Speaker 1: line is, um, you know, we can't really look backwards
Speaker 1: all the time and see Donald Trump in the rear
Speaker 1: view mirror, right. I mean, like he's got to do
Speaker 1: something that actually makes him relevant to the future. And
Speaker 1: so far he spent two years talking about the pass.
Speaker 1: If he's going to continue to talk about the pass,
Speaker 1: this is the wind is gonna blow and he will
Speaker 1: not be on the other side of the fence. Boy.
Speaker 1: And so therefore, Rhonda Santis and Glenn Young, can you
Speaker 1: just keep plowing forward, don't look left for right, keep
Speaker 1: your hands on the wheel, and don't react to him, right, Jeannie, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's what they're going to try to do. But
Speaker 1: let's not forget people tried this before, you know, and
Speaker 1: it didn't work so well. And that's what Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is banking on. And the reality is is that this
Speaker 1: is really up to Republican voters. It's not necessarily up
Speaker 1: to the powers that be. They have tried to distance
Speaker 1: themselves from Trump. They have tried to do what Rick said,
Speaker 1: you know, in urge people to look forward. It's up
Speaker 1: to Republican voters. If they stick with him, he can
Speaker 1: really really make a mess out of this primary as
Speaker 1: they move into twenty four and that is going to
Speaker 1: be something that Democrats have the ability to look sit
Speaker 1: back and watch as they, you know, beat each other up.
Speaker 1: And that's a pretty good position for Democrats to be in.
Speaker 1: So are we believing this as a real announcement next
Speaker 1: week Rick that he's not gonna, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: duck out on the hurricane or do anything that Republicans
Speaker 1: are urging him to do, which is not announced until
Speaker 1: after the runoff in Georgia. Well, the lesson we've learned
Speaker 1: with him and you can't really believe anything he does
Speaker 1: or says until he actually does it or says it. So, Um,
Speaker 1: he's teased this out for months. Um, we thought it
Speaker 1: would maybe this summer. We thought it might be the
Speaker 1: night before the election. I mean, there's all these kind
Speaker 1: of scenarios. So I wouldn't put it past him on
Speaker 1: Tuesday to like break a toe nail and claim he's
Speaker 1: got to go to the emergency room. I can't do
Speaker 1: the announcement, I would say the real actions Jean, he says,
Speaker 1: is in Orlando with the Republican governors member. These guys
Speaker 1: all banded together to help out people like Kemp in
Speaker 1: Florida or in Georgia when Donald Trump was going after him.
Speaker 1: They like their own They're very powerful. They are going
Speaker 1: to be the future of this party. I guarantee. Part
Speaker 1: of the conversation you're having is what do we do
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump? Uh in an effort to try and
Speaker 1: win a national election coming up in two years. That's
Speaker 1: something else the Democrats, UH have to worry about that conversation, Jeanie.
Speaker 1: Or should they worry about themselves for the next two years?
Speaker 1: They should worry about themselves for the next two years.
Speaker 1: You know, you take Donald Trump out of the equation.
Speaker 1: Republicans have some really strong governors in place, and we
Speaker 1: saw it Tuesday night. Everybody from Kemp to Abbott, to
Speaker 1: the Santis to the Wine who we don't talk about
Speaker 1: enough and and Sonon knew who who you know it
Speaker 1: does a masterful job in New Hampshire. So Democrats have
Speaker 1: to worry about themselves. And I think that one of
Speaker 1: the things we saw on Tuesday night, at least in
Speaker 1: my mind, was that, you know, Biden does get the
Speaker 1: credit for what happened, UH, because he is the president.
Speaker 1: But it was more of a rejection of extremism, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily an embrace of democrats. So they're going
Speaker 1: to have to continue to focus on addressing people's real problems,
Speaker 1: starting with the economy and inflation. Rick and Jeannie, you
Speaker 1: guys have been incredible this week and I can't thank
Speaker 1: you enough here on Bloomberg Sound on on Balance of Power,
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Speaker 1: I just can't imagine spending it with anyone else. On
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