WEBVTT - Welcome to a Brave New World, Cap 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:00.640 Warning. 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:04.440 Today's episode contained spoilers for Captain America, Brave New World, 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:08.920 and the Wider mc U cannon in general, so be warned. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.800 Hello and name, it's Jason gets UPSI owned Hi, I'm 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.760 rosday night, and welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.479 Where we dive deep to your favorite shows. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:35.960 Movies, comics and pop culture comedy from Myra podcast where we're. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:37.240 Bringing three episodes a week. 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:42.080 Definitely Tuesday and Thursday, also Wednesday and kind of also 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.440 Saturday for sure Saturday now, so it's four. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.280 Really, thanks for listening to the news. We're loving to 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.159 bring it to you. I'm glad you're enjoying it. In 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.800 today's episode, we are reacting to the long awaited new 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.800 Captain America film, which is our first MCU film of 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:02.240 twenty twenty five. We will be going over what it's about, 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.720 what works, what doesn't work, and we'll be tapping in 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:09.279 our super producers for a big panel discussion. And before 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.480 we jump into that very fun discussion, a reminder that 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.160 we are currently running a listener survey to gather your 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.880 feedback in ideas for the pod, and make sure that 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.400 you've read Dead Evil Borne again in time for our 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.840 upcoming book Club episode on February twenty fourth. Send us 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.800 questions to our email official XRV pod at gmail dot com, 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.360 or pop them in the Discord channel where we have 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:34.360 a book Club and Dead Evil Born Again channels for you. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:42.200 Just set the stage for the discussion of this film. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.800 Here is the timeline of production news as it happened 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.560 for the movie was announced in twenty twenty one. Captain 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.000 America four in the works with Falcon in the Winter 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.680 Soldier showrunner Malcolm Spellman. This is from The Hollywood Reporter 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.240 twenty twenty one. August twenty twe and Mackie signs onto 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.320 the film. July twenty twenty two is announced as Captain 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.640 America New World Order, with an original release date for 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:12.720 May third, twenty twenty four. September twenty twenty two, Marvel 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:17.880 announced that the d twenty three Expo that Shirajas is 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:23.120 joining the cast as Sabra March twenty twenty three. Production 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.560 begins at Trillis Studios in Fayetteville. June twenty twenty three 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:32.480 more principal photography. But the dual strikes in Hollywood happened. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.320 The writer strike and the actors strike happened at once. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:40.120 And so first the release date is pushed back to 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:45.519 July twenty six, twenty twenty four. December twenty twenty three, 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.919 Matt Worton, who previously worked on Moonnight on Disney Plus, 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.080 is added as a consulting producer to work on new pages. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.000 This is the first inkling that we're getting that they're 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:01.880 going to start reworking this film. May twenty twenty four, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.240 g and Coler Esposito is now part of the cast, 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.080 and twenty two days of reshoots happen, in which his 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.600 character Sidewinder is basically added to the story as a 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:21.920 secondary villain. July twenty twenty four, Ruth formerly Sabra, is 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:26.000 included in the new trailer, and there's some news that 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.200 the character will not be called Sabra and his non 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.519 AMSAD agent like in the comic books, and is instead 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.600 a US government official. And then January twenty twenty five, 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.440 Anthony Mackie has to walk back the comments that preceded 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.760 the film, essentially saying I wasn't trying to dishonor the 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.440 tr troops. I am a proud American. So there's been 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:51.200 a lot leading up to this film, multiple delays, multiple reshoots, characters, 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:52.279 added character. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.520 Changer name Yeah. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:58.800 And that all brings us to February twenty twenty five 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.119 and the release of After the America Brave New World. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.480 We have seen it, Rosie, you and I have seen it. 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:10.440 The Expectation crew has seen it, and what are your thoughts? 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:15.560 Okay, So to me, I was actually I went into 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.039 this with low expectations, which I think everybody knows. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.160 We were not sure about where this was gonna go. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.120 I was kind of surprised. I thought it was a 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.080 pret tight to our movie. I thought the action was good. 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:32.040 I thought that I gian Carlo Esposito as we mentioned 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.840 a late stage edition as sidewinder. I thought he was 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.680 a really interesting foil for Mackie. I'm interested to see 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.520 them do more with that. I thought that the connection 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:48.640 between Mackie and the kid who plays Joaquin Torres was 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:53.240 really really good. I really enjoyed their fun Danny Ramirez, 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.720 He's very He kind of has this young. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.200 Energy that I think the MCU has been missing. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.040 This kind of It's not Tom holl Shit's a little 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.040 bit more funnier, less quippy. I thought those two had 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.240 a good relationship. I thought that the character chemistry that 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.800 they did was actually really interesting. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.919 And I also felt like for a movie that has had. 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:17.159 Such extensive reshoots, it didn't really feel that disjointed to me, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:21.880 compared to say, are the MCU things that we have seen, 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:28.719 Madam Weber, Well, Madam, you know, it definitely is high 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.599 above the spermuk Sony universe. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:32.280 Definitely. 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:38.080 And I'm interested because I did not expect to see 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.520 the kind of negativity that came out of. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:41.680 The critics screenings. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.560 Like there were people who liked it, but a lot 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.840 of the kind of first reactions have been that it 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:48.280 was bad or it was disjointed. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:49.440 I didn't feel that way. 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.760 I also have a controversial take, which is like, I 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.520 don't think that this is that different to a lot 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.240 of MCU movies that people love. In my the military 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:06.640 aspects of it, the kind of huge conspiracy that happens 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.120 and sets people against each other. They echoed kind of 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:15.320 Bucky and Steve's relationship here with Anthony Mackie and Sam 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.880 as Sam Wilson and Carl Lumley as Isaiah Bradley. I 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.160 thought that Isaiah Bradley's stuff was very, very good. I 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.320 was a big fan of how they decided to go 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.919 about that. I liked how they showed his powers. I 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:32.159 thought the idea of Sam Wilson not having super serum 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.680 and that being a constant kind of conversation was interesting. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.920 We will tap in super producer Joelle later to talk 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.360 about why that didn't work for her in the same way. 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.440 But generally, I think, because one. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.800 I'm a comic booklover and I'm just interested to see 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.440 a Sam Wilson movie, I will be writing, You'll be 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.840 able to find multiple pieces by me about Sam Wilson. 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:53.400 He's a comic book character I have a lot of 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:53.760 love for. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.159 To me, it kind of just felt like picking up 0:06:56.200 --> 0:07:00.640 a trade paperback and reading a comic book kind of 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:01.839 about you know, Red. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.720 Hulk versus Captain America. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.200 Like that's what the vibe of it was for me, 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.520 And I thought for kind of a blockbuster, big movie, 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.600 and also for what people have been asking for from 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.160 the MCU, which is a move away from the hard 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.120 sci fi of Eternals or the you know, volume hued 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.320 mess of Quantumania. As fun as that may be, this 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.760 feels like a response to what the audience wants, which 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:34.240 is pared down kind of conspiracy thriller, crazy action, and 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:38.120 the action is very very well shot. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.040 I thought that there was a lot. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.120 Of fun use of sam shield here, which is a 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.520 big part of any Captain America movie, and we've never 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.040 gotten as much shield play as we do here. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.280 I like that he had the kinetic vibranium wings. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.320 I thought that led to a lot of fun action 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.440 in a way we haven't seen before with Captain America 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.440 or when he was Falcon and we get to see, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.600 you know, the younger Falcon who kind of has his 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:04.640 own way of fighting. 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.800 And wants to learn. I just thought that it was 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.960 you know, it's not definitely not op that with the 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.560 best of the MCU, but in my opinion, definitely not 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.880 down there with the worst. How about you, Jason, I. 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:19.680 Was definitely because of the pre release buzz it talks 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:25.960 about reshoots, the controversy over the inclusion of Sabra, that 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:31.600 we were potentially on the road to a full like 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.280 Sony Verse level. 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:35.800 It's Morbon time. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:38.760 I definitely thought, and. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.920 While I do think that you could sense the choppiness 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:50.920 at times, it definitely was not bad. It's not a 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.360 bad film. It was described in our group chat as 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.480 aggressively mid I would agree with that. I think that 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.920 there are some things that legitimately work really well. Like 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.840 you mentioned, I think the Isaiah Bradley stuff in the 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:06.160 rapport that he has with Mackie, the rapport he has 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:10.680 with Sam and Joaquin is legitimately good. Like I love 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:11.160 their stuff. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.440 I want to see more of them, Like that is 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:14.600 something I want to see more of. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:21.760 Yes, I thought that Mackie has a kind of we 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.720 you know, we had been concerned that Maki doesn't have 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.760 the juice, and he does have a kind of juice. 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.559 That I think really works well in these kind of group. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.920 Dialogue scenes where there's back and forth. These character moments 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:34.000 I think are really wonderful. 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.319 And on the reshoots, I have a. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.839 Conspiracy theory that we've talked about, so like, you know, 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.960 here's my conspiracy theory with the you know, we talked 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.079 about how the movie scored really poorly with test audiences 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.320 and they had to do all these reshoots, including adding 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.920 side wonder Geane Carlo west Posito of the Serpent Society 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:00.440 very late in the game, you know, And here is my. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.000 Here's my theory, Rosie. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.360 I think the reason the movie scored so poorly isn't 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.880 because it was a Madam Web level disaster. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.079 It was because black hero. 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:18.240 White villain, white villain is the president. M why are 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:22.080 you why is this black hero beating up the white guy? 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.720 And why is the white guy so bad and evil? 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.880 Shouldn't he be better? Can't we redeem him somehow? 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:28.920 Which the movie. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:33.000 Does redeem, you know, Ross is essentially redeemed. And when 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.160 you add in the detail that part of what they 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.920 did was add gene Carlos Posito. Is this kind of 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:44.920 like secondary foil? I think part of the scoring. Again, 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.679 this is just my conspiracy theory. I'm just theorizing, was 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.960 like can't can't can't the black hero like have a 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.840 black or brown villain to beat up? 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.240 Like why is it always got to be beating? 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.280 Also, I think has I think you up bringing up something? 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.600 That one was immediately a talking point after the movie 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:04.520 in the cinema, in the screen where I saw it, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.280 because everyone was like, wait a minute, why did this 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:07.120 score so badly? 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.040 Like it's not like the world, It's not even thought. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.640 I I'm a thought of the dark world, uh kind 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:14.240 of truth that. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:14.640 I think. 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.160 There's a lot of interesting stuff there, But I understand 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.640 why it did not hit the way that it was 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.200 supposed to. Which is a big part of also what 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.400 I think it's funny about the MCU as everyone thinks 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.760 that everything was like a huge hit, but this movie 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:33.560 is tight to our action movie, relatively smoothed over for 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.920 so many reshoots, Like I was surprised by how whole 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.920 it felt, but you can tell that by these they. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.480 They have to read, they have to redeem. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:50.400 Where you can really feel the reshoots are. The big 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.560 dialogue scene between Sam and Ross and the Raft was 0:11:53.600 --> 0:12:00.160 clearly patched together and renowned several times. In fact, I'm 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:04.320 guessing to give it that more redemptive tone for Ross, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.920 where maybe in a previous version Ross is just a 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.160 bad guy who takes the fall and then like see 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:10.439 you later lock him in the raft. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.280 Now it's like he's got this whole. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.839 Emotional arc where they bring Betty back, and a lot 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.080 of you understand that a lot of his emotional drive 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.120 is he's trying to win his daughter back. He's not 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:26.520 He's didn't just imprison Samuel Stearns and use his Gamma 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.160 powered brain to help him win the White House out 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:30.040 of sheer. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.319 Lust for power. It's because he loves his daughter. 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:38.640 Hey, Okay, and they were torturing people in a black 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.480 site door, okay. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.040 And there were other things, you know, like the other 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:46.000 disjointed things. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:46.200 You know. 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.160 Sam Stern shows up at some house like in rural 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.719 Virginia and kills everybody inside and watches the television and 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.240 makes a phone call. Am I supposed to know who 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.040 that person is? I feel like I'm in a previous 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.840 version of this movie. I probably would have known who 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.400 was in that house, but now I don't. So there's 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.760 things like that, Sabra, I feel like, is I feel 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.600 like they obviously they're trying to make a mini widow 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.400 here and kind of reassemble Captain America's cast of characters 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.800 around him with another with Joaquin as another Falcon and 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:22.680 with uh uh, Ruth is another because she's not actually 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.280 Ruth is another black widow. But and so that didn't 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:27.840 necessarily work for me. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:29.880 But there are things. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.240 But but I was expecting, like truly, like a toxic 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.600 waste dump, and this is not what that is. This 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.880 is I, you know, our super decer. Aaron is going 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.160 to mention not to step on his point that the 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:48.160 the the first third act big action scene in which 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:53.440 Sam and Joaquin save the world from World War three 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:59.600 Sparking between the US and Japan features some absolutely poppy 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.520 cocks scenes of like shield throwing physics where Sam is 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.320 throwing but that's what Captain America. 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.640 I agree, that is what Captain America is. 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.040 Always throwing his shield at something and stopping something unbelievable. 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.440 Suspension of disbelief is not not broken by that. 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.600 But I think that's also because I've been trained that. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.400 I do think the Red Hulk, like the Red Hulk 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.680 fight worked for me as as not just like an 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.760 action scene, but also something that. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.800 Carried some of the character. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.160 Story and emotion arc of Sam, which is that like 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:46.360 he's genuinely struggling with his ability to live up to 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:51.160 people's expectations, to live up to Steve's standards. Steve beat off, 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.000 you know, like defended the Earth from two different alien 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:59.120 invasions and spearheaded the fight against Thanos, and like, what 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.320 has Sam done? And at the end of that fight, 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.520 you know, I'm saying to myself, well, Sam beat a Hulk. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.040 Sam took on a Hulk one v one and won, 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:10.800 So I thought that was cool. I think it's a 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.720 I do think it's a mid movie, but it's I 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.920 don't think it's bad by any means, Like this is 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:19.520 better than Quantumnia, This is a this is a pretty 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.240 good Marvel film with some very interesting things. And I 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.720 thought they we'll talk about the post credit scene, but 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.680 I did feel a little light and open ended, which 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:30.520 is probably what. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:31.320 They're the point. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:35.720 Yeah, And also I would say that I think everybody 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.280 who has lived through this now almost twenty years of 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.640 MCU kind of supremacy since the two thousand and eight 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:48.040 release of Iron Man, it is easy to only remember 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.080 the kind of lead up to Infinity War an endgame, 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.680 where these were the movies everyone had to see, where 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.880 everybody loved them, and every movie's making a billion dollars 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.840 and they are like the cinematic experience of you know, 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.880 a generation for a lot of people. 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:04.120 Right. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:05.400 There were a. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.560 Lot of movies that came out in those first three phases, 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.720 iron Man two, even Captain America, the first Avenger. It 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.960 was beloved by some but were seen as kind of 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.760 like a weird diversion as a period piece for others 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.400 who liked kind of the newer. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:22.240 More grounded stuff. 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.320 The MCU has never had a consistency of pure quality. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.520 It has always dipped and ebbed, and there has always 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.040 been movies that some people like and some people don't like, 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.600 as well as the kind of celebrated movies. And I 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.480 would just say I personally feel like this is going 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.840 to be one of those movies that maybe flies under 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.840 the radar critics don't like it. We also know people, 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.960 certain people in the critical class, they go into these 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.800 movies like looking to hate them. And I think that 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:50.840 in a few years there's gonna be some people who 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.240 are like, well, this is actually like a pretty sick, 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.800 straight up action movie, political conspiracy thriller for the MCU. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.880 I think it's in hindsight is going to be viewed 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.160 than how it's being viewed now, which I think is 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.520 gonna be kind of like, well, it's. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.520 Mid but it's not as bad as Quantumnia. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.879 I will say that also, I think that there are 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:14.560 also structural things that will keep this is not a 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.760 This is not an easy jumping on point. I think 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.760 for for folks right who. 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.879 Have never watched a Marvel. 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.480 Movie or television program, if you're going to jump on here, 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.439 there's a lot of things you're gonna miss, which like 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.399 some of the connective tissue from Captain America, which Soldiers. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.960 It is essentially incredible Hoole Soldier, but. 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.000 It's also an incredible Hawk sequel, which I. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.560 Think it's an incredible sequel from a movie from eighteen 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:41.080 years ago. 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.360 Like nobody really again for a long time even considered 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.560 part of the MCU. It was like a very controversial 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.080 thing because it came out at the same time, you know, 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:52.960 in the same year as I Am Man, but it 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:54.120 didn't have that same hit. 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:58.000 And then obviously we got the change. I was really hoping. 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.760 If there was one thing I think this movie was missing, 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.240 the way that they had Betty kind of beyond the 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.959 outskirts of this movie. I was hoping that the reason 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.760 that he hadn't seen her was because she was Red 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.280 Shee Hulk, because that is what happens in the comics, 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.239 is you kind of have the two characters going on 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.960 that journey together. I think that would have been really interesting. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.960 I think also that I'll tell you what this movie 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.919 fails at, because Jason, this is me and you, the 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.480 two people who maybe more than anyone on earth, just 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.040 loved talking about the X Men, Okay, and we have 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.280 not even talked about the fact that this is the 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:36.120 movie that. 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.040 Introduces Adam maginam to the MCU. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.959 I will say, in my opinion, that is a failing 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.160 of the movie because I do think to me, if 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.800 you're talking about reshoots or things that felt like they 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:52.960 probably changed during it, that to me did feel like, oh, 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.119 we need we maybe had something else that we were 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.199 searching for, We maybe had a different mcguffin, and now 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.840 we can just put the word adamantium like on this 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.200 kind of screen that is going to be in front 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:10.280 of President Ross before he gets attempted assassinated. So I 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.639 did think the adamantium thing was a little bit neither 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.400 here nor there, but it is a big deal. As 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.919 you will know, that is a huge element in the 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:19.680 Marvel comics. 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.680 It's what created Wolverine. I also am interested. 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:24.760 This is probably me reading too much into it, but 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.399 something else I thought was interesting. I thought it was 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:31.480 interesting to have Japan and America fighting over this adamantium 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:35.359 source when in the comics Wolverine has so many connections 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:35.919 to Japan. 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:36.640 I was just. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.040 Interested to kind of see if they were going to 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:40.359 do something thoughtful. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:41.720 I do with that side of. 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:46.360 That was like I thought the the casting of Takahiro 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.480 Hero as the Prime Minister was interesting to me, and 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.800 it made me wonder if he has a larger role 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:59.760 coming in the MCU, because that's a really juicy, great 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.840 ca and it just leaves you wondering if you're gonna 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:04.800 see more. We're gonna take a break and we'll be 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:23.320 right back after this. On the X Men front, so 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.960 we were talking about the post credit scene. The post 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:31.760 credit scene is very open ended, clearly strategically open ended, 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.560 so that it could mean anything, in which, you know, 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.960 Sam Suarton says, Oh, I've been looking at the probabilities 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.080 and they're coming. You know, do you think this is 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.280 the only world? Do you think that you're the only ones? 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.280 The others are coming. The others could be Fantastic four, 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:50.160 could be another version of the Avengers, It could be. 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.639 Yeah, tell us, so it could be immutant. But I 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:53.159 want to hate you. 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:54.680 I want to hate you aut theory because you pose 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.320 it this in the group chat and it's really good. 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.000 And then I'll come back with the vibe I got 0:20:58.040 --> 0:20:59.520 from it, which was similar bit different. 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:01.840 So you know, we've been talking the whole time about like, 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.199 how do they introduce the X Men, How do they 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.800 introduce the X Men? One of the you know, important 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:15.800 things about Marvel comics is that the X Men exist 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.080 in a world in which people are. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:20.960 Hate mutants. 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.760 There's a lot of hatred of mutants and bias against 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:28.000 mutants for a variety of reasons, and that doesn't really 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:32.040 exist in the MCU, And so how would you create that. 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:33.359 So this is what I think that they're going to. 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.840 This is what a way I think they could go, 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.640 and I wonder if this post credit scene doesn't lead 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:41.480 into it. So I think that there are mutants now 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.159 as we've seen. We've already seen that there are various 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:48.440 mutants throughout the MCU, and they're now calling them that, right, mutations. 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.760 I think what's going to happen is the others, in part, 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:55.760 will be these mutants from the worlds in which, you know, 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.600 the days of future past worlds in which it's a dystopia, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:06.000