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Speaker 1: Hello Colts fans, and welcome back to another episode and

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Speaker 1: new season of the Two Minute Drill Podcast. I'm Amanda Foster,

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Speaker 1: joined by JJ Stankowitz here at Grand Park on Friday,

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Speaker 1: July twenty fifth, where the Colts just finished up their

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Speaker 1: third practice of twenty twenty five Colts Training Camp sponsored

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Speaker 1: by Corson Fire and Security. On this first episode back,

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Speaker 1: we'll give you all the updates you need on the

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Speaker 1: quarterback competition between Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones, lou Anrimose, defense,

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Speaker 1: and what we heard from general manager Chris Ballard earlier

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Speaker 1: this week. So, JJ, thing's got underway here on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: We're back. We're back. It's been hot and humid, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it hasn't said Yeah, it has not stopped the

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Speaker 1: fans from coming to watch their team get ready for

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Speaker 1: the season, and there's been a lot for them to watch.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the biggest topic that we have to cover

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Speaker 1: first is the quarterback competition between Richardson, excuse me, Richardson

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Speaker 1: and Jones. You've been focusing pretty heavily that on that

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Speaker 1: over these last few days. So what stood out to

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Speaker 1: you so far as you've watched these two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think just kind of to start

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Speaker 2: camp it you know, some people might say, oh it's

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Speaker 2: been slow or it's been a little bit sloppy, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like every camp I go to,

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Speaker 2: the defense is usually a little ahead of the offense

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Speaker 2: to start, and once you kind of once the Colts

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Speaker 2: kind of get through this ramp up period so they're

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Speaker 2: having four practices in a row to start camp, then

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Speaker 2: Monday is when the pads come on, and Monday, I

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Speaker 2: think Monday's got to be go time for this offense.

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Speaker 2: And it's gotten progressively better, right, I think over the

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Speaker 2: you know, from day one to day two to day three,

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Speaker 2: I think Day three was Anthony Richardson's best day throwing

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Speaker 2: the football. He had some really nice completion It's really

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Speaker 2: good decision making. It looked like he he had a

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Speaker 2: thrown to Tyler Warren where lou Anarrimo threw some funky

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Speaker 2: linebacker blitz and he was able to diagnose that get

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Speaker 2: the ball to where it needed to go, you know,

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Speaker 2: And Daniel Jones has been efficient throwing the football as well,

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Speaker 2: So I think there's no separation in it. But I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, when we have this podcast a week from now, Amanda,

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Speaker 2: I think that's when hopefully we're talking about you're seeing

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Speaker 2: more more completion. I mean, the completions actually have kind

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Speaker 2: of been there lately, but maybe you're just seeing it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it'll just go we'll feel a little better. But again,

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Speaker 2: that the defense. I think the side note to this

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Speaker 2: is that that defense came into camp tuned up and

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Speaker 2: ready to go. They look very impressive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to take that into account definitely. I

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Speaker 1: think also worth noting we heard this early in the

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Speaker 1: week and we've seen it now. Both quarterbacks are evenly

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Speaker 1: splitting their reps with the first team just kind of

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Speaker 1: rotating in and out day to day. Eleven by eleven seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's been almost like period by period, so

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Speaker 2: you can kind of predict it now, right, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: It's like the first two full team periods are going

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Speaker 2: to be you know, if it's whatever, you know, if

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Speaker 2: it's today, was Daniel Jones taking the first team reps.

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Speaker 2: Then in the second half of practice those team periods,

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Speaker 2: the first team reps went to Anthony Richardson. And it

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Speaker 2: is a an intentional even split. The Colts are not

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Speaker 2: just kind of throwing it out there and rolling the

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Speaker 2: ball and say yeah, we'll figure it out. It's like

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Speaker 2: this is a very calculated period to peer plan that

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Speaker 2: they have to get guys equal reps, and Amanda, the

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Speaker 2: point of that is to get them equal reps in

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Speaker 2: certain situations. So you know, the Colts have been working

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Speaker 2: a lot on first and second down, when they get

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Speaker 2: into third down, red zone, low, red zone, backed up

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Speaker 2: two minute, these very critical situational periods. They want Richardson

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Speaker 2: the first team offense, which helps both of them out,

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Speaker 2: but it also helps the Colts get a clear evaluation

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Speaker 2: of where these guys are with consistent personnel and consistent

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Speaker 1: And we heard from Chris Ballard, I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: very much a true competition between these two guys, and

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Speaker 1: they both sound like they have a lot of faith

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people have a lot of belief

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Speaker 1: in both of them. We heard from Ballard specifically talk

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Speaker 1: And you know, Jones coming in with a little bit

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Speaker 2: I think the larger point, Amanda there is that the

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Speaker 2: one of these guys to win it exactly. They're walking

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Speaker 2: going to win it. I don't think they're not in

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Speaker 2: very clear that there's no timeline on it. Chan Stiken

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Speaker 2: even told both quarterbacks like, there's no timeline on when

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Speaker 2: we're gonna decide this. You know, We're gonna let the

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Speaker 2: process play out. And usually when it comes to one

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Speaker 2: of these competitions, it's like it'll become clear to the

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Speaker 2: point where it won't be a surprise to whoever is

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Speaker 2: Week one starter. But again, I just I don't get

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Speaker 2: the sense that the Colts are like, we need Anthony

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Speaker 2: Richardson to win it, or we need Daniel Jones to

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Speaker 2: win it. It's like, I think either of those guys,

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Speaker 2: whoever plays the best and gives us the best chance

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Speaker 2: to win games, is gonna play without any sort of

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Speaker 2: ulterior motives or preconceived notions about where this is gonna go.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and they'll be whoever it is coming into it.

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Speaker 1: And we've even seen it here in camp with the

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Speaker 1: two of them so far. The offense that they're joining

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Speaker 1: with the ride receivers with you know, you've got Alec Pearson,

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Speaker 1: offense that they're going to be joining.

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Speaker 2: It's it's funny like I was listening to the Athletic

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Speaker 2: Football Show this this week. I was catching up on

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Speaker 2: an old podcast they did where they were ranking the

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Speaker 2: AFC supporting casts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and one.

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Speaker 2: Of the hosts of that show had the Cults fifth

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Speaker 2: in the AFC. Yeah, ahead of the Kansas City Chiefs

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Speaker 2: by the way, which you know, it took into account

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Speaker 2: everything right outside of the quarterback within the offensive ecosystem.

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Speaker 2: But I think that speaks to the depth this team has,

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Speaker 2: especially with their pass catchers, where yes, you dropped Tyler Warren.

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Speaker 1: Into there, very different from last year.

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Speaker 2: It is right where tight end was a position that

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Speaker 2: you did not expect a lot out of in terms

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna expect I mean I counted, let's

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Speaker 2: there's one to Tyler. There's one to Tyler Warren, two, three, four.

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Speaker 2: I think I have like four five, six catches almost today.

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Speaker 1: He was he was moving today especially. He got a

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Speaker 2: He was very active today in practice, and I think

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Speaker 2: that just speaks to how he can impact the rest

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Speaker 2: of this offense, because I mean, Pittman's gonna get the ball. Downs,

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Speaker 2: It's gonna get the ball. Pierce is gonna get the ball.

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Speaker 2: And now you throw a Warren in there into an

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Speaker 2: like this collection of weapons the ibacks happened. I again,

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Speaker 2: I think it's like sometimes we sit here and we

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Speaker 2: can talk ourselves into it. Yeah, but hearing someone nationally

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Speaker 2: who has no connection to the Colts and hasn't you know,

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Speaker 2: just sort of studies the league say that's a top

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Speaker 2: makes you perk up a little bit and say, oh, okay, like,

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Speaker 2: maybe maybe what I am seeing out of heard what

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Speaker 2: I believe about this team really is true. I'm not

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Speaker 2: just kind of viewing it through blue and white colored glasses.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, and speaking of exciting groups, we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about the defense, obviously, specifically the secondary. Yep with

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Speaker 1: lou Ana Roumo. Yep, you were in numbers and a

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Speaker 1: stats guy. You like Lou, You like what lou does,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily that that's like numbers and status, but it's

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Speaker 1: all intertwined. We've heard a lot about his coaching style.

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Speaker 1: We've heard a lot about his personality. He's very blunt.

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Speaker 1: Someone described to me as Staten Island but the good parts,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I think you're from the that is,

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Speaker 1: I don't claim that Staten Island. Northeast Maine is very

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Speaker 2: I feel like, as a Midwesterner together you East Coasters

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Speaker 2: are like, oh yeah, like you're from Chicago. That's right

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Speaker 2: by Kansas City. Like no, it's like eight hours away.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But I'm like both Midwest and East. I'm Northeast,

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Speaker 1: not East Coast and New York is not like New England.

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Speaker 1: I'm New England. New York is not.

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Speaker 1: I know New York and work on that. Okay. Anyways, Anyways,

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Speaker 1: allowing for kind of a reset and a restart for

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Speaker 1: this defense, it seems like in a lot more ways

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the way that he disguises things like I asked

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Speaker 2: it's just what he'll give you a look, and you

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Speaker 2: be right. And it's like you don't know and you

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Speaker 2: don't know, and it's like cam Binam was talking about

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Speaker 2: don't want to bail, you know, if we show a

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Speaker 2: cover one, we don't want to always bail to a

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Speaker 2: And it's like the point is there are no tells

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Speaker 2: within the defense. That's what he's coaching these guys up

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Speaker 2: to do and with a veteran group, right, Kenny Moore,

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Speaker 2: the second, Tarvarius Ward, cam Binam, you know, even Nick

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Speaker 2: Cross is kind of get reaching that almost veteran status

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Speaker 2: right now. I think that's the group of guys that

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Speaker 2: if you don't have a tell of what you're doing,

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Speaker 2: that makes it really hard on our quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So and then you, by the way, like what I

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Speaker 2: wrote about on a Colts dot com this week was

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Speaker 2: out of the defense is challenging the quarterback. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: is the scheme. And then watching Tarvarious Ward out here

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Speaker 2: for I'm gonna raise my head. He's been the best

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Speaker 2: player on the field the two days that he's practiced.

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Speaker 2: He didn't practice on Friday, he got a rest day,

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Speaker 2: but the Wednesday and Thursday, I think Travarious Ward is

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Speaker 2: the best player on the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the Colts knew what they were getting when

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Speaker 1: they signed him in free agency, and they knew what

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Speaker 1: they were getting when they signed Cambin him as well.

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Speaker 1: And now we're finally seeing that come to life on

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Speaker 1: the field in these practices, in these like team drills

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Speaker 1: where he's going up against guys like Alec Pearson, Michael

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Speaker 1: Pittman and sticking to them and literally not letting them go.

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Speaker 2: And you know what that's doing, Amanda, is it's forcing

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Speaker 2: these quarterbacks to have not just accuracy, but like accuracy plus.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you're rid about this yesterday.

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