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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. It's Bobby Bones here with another episode

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Speaker 1: of Unsigned and Independent. We do this show, so maybe

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Speaker 1: you find some new music to listen to. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: find new artists to support if they're playing a show.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you want to buy some merch because that's a

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Speaker 1: big deal to artists too, because that's money that they

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Speaker 1: actually get they get to pay their bills with. And

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Speaker 1: this is another episode of that show with Kevin O'Connell

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Speaker 1: aka kick Off Kevin. So we're talking about Ali Kick

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Speaker 1: Ali was on the voice and she said she didn't

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Speaker 1: have the best experience because she didn't really fit the

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Speaker 1: mold of what they were looking for when it comes

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Speaker 1: to a dramatic story, because they are, I can tell

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Speaker 1: you from experience, always.

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Speaker 2: Looking for a good storyline.

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Speaker 1: She stopped playing on Broadway the street here about a

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Speaker 1: year ago, and she now focuses on music and also

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Speaker 1: to make money. She's a real estate leasing agent, so

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Speaker 1: she was selling phone book ads when she first moved

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Speaker 1: here in twenty sixteen, so she could pay the bills

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Speaker 1: in order to make music, which is a very common

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Speaker 1: theme with pretty much all the artists unless they come

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Speaker 1: from like a ton of family money that happens sometimes too,

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Speaker 1: but most artists have to grind do two jobs until

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Speaker 1: they make it. And I wanted you guys to hear

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Speaker 1: this interview with Ali Keck, so here we go. She

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Speaker 1: moved to Nashville to chase her dream. Check her out

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Speaker 1: on social media, but she says she has a love

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Speaker 1: hate relationship with social media because she moved here before

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Speaker 1: that was a big part of what she was doing

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Speaker 1: and now she's had to kind of adapt and adopt.

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Speaker 3: But you can't follow her.

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Speaker 1: Ali Keck Music A L L I E K E

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Speaker 1: C K Ali Keck Music. Enjoy support if you can.

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Speaker 1: Here's another episode of Unsigned and Independent with Kickoff Kevin.

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Speaker 4: Ali. How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm good?

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Speaker 4: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good? Glad we got to get together again.

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Speaker 2: This is not the first time we've met in person.

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Speaker 2: The first time we met was at Whiskey Jam. Actually, yes,

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Speaker 2: maybe what a few months ago during the summer at

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Speaker 2: some point, and I remember hearing you play and I

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Speaker 2: was like, I gotta just see what her story is about,

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Speaker 2: you know, because I have this podcast and this is

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Speaker 2: what I love to do. I love to see these

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Speaker 2: artists that go out and play at these local venues,

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Speaker 2: especially a whiskey jam, which is great, and then kind

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Speaker 2: of find out more about you. So I went up

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Speaker 2: to you and I said, hey, how you doing. We

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Speaker 2: and I want to jump right into it, your experience

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Speaker 2: all you know, daisies and dandelions great, and you kind

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Speaker 2: of said you enjoyed your experience with a great experience

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Speaker 2: and good exposure for you, but it wasn't exactly what

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Speaker 2: you expected. Am I saying that right? Or can you

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Speaker 2: explain that more?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think I met some wonderful people, and the people

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't as wasn't as much fun as I

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Speaker 4: and I think that's why part of the reason I

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Speaker 2: Liked to what, I mean, what is that story?

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Speaker 2: What is what is your story? Were you too vanilla

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Speaker 4: It just had something to do with like I didn't

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Speaker 2: Did you ever feel any pressure to feel like maybe

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Speaker 4: Uh, yes, one hundred percent. I mean people all the

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Speaker 4: time are like, well, why don't you just make up

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Speaker 4: I had done this one, and then I think I've

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Speaker 4: done American Idol about seven times. So just my dad

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Speaker 2: So and now we live in a world where you

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Speaker 4: Because when I turned fifteen, they had actually changed the

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Speaker 3: We did that. I did online stuff, you name it.

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Speaker 4: He announced it to the entire lecture hall that I

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Speaker 4: But it was just like one of those things where

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Speaker 2: So you have to keep all that on secret, yes, everything, Yes,

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Speaker 2: And they tell you that when they call you, Hey,

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Speaker 2: Process. Absolutely, and filling out some stuff before this, And

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: So my go to song was my Heart Will Go

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Speaker 4: And for a while I would do that, and then

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Speaker 2: So You've loved singing since you can remember, yes, probably

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Speaker 2: since you can walk, Yes. And your parents have always

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my dad always says that, you know, we didn't

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Speaker 3: We traveled more for music and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: And they still to this day go out in Effingham

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Speaker 4: So honestly, like I, I didn't grow up with football

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Speaker 4: I'm learning how to be a sevener. I've been here

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Speaker 4: That's what we'll go with it with it, but we

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Speaker 2: That's awesome?

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Speaker 2: So you went to Illinois State and then you came

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like a month later.

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Speaker 2: You knew the whole time. What did you major in? First?

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Speaker 2: Okay, And did you know in college, I'm going to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I couldn't get into music school, so I

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Speaker 3: And I didn't know anything, honestly. I moved here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like for what label exactly?

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Speaker 4: Music? Oh? Yeah, I mean especially I've been writing since

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Speaker 2: Do you remember what song it was?

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Speaker 4: I am working at Ruby Tuesdays. My car has broken

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Speaker 2: Ads going to say, was this nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 3: No, it was a lesson my parents let me learn.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, how do you even How is

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Speaker 4: So I did that for probably a few months and

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Speaker 2: What was that? Like, what's your relationship like with Broadway

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Speaker 3: It's non existent anymore.

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Speaker 4: At first, I was pretty upset because it comes down

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Speaker 4: So basically, at the time when I was losing gigs,

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Speaker 4: It's sometimes being up there makes you feel unsafe because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what did it ever? Because some people have talked

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Speaker 2: if you're on Broadway, you're pretty much never playing your

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Speaker 2: And they you know, these tourists come in and pay.

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Speaker 2: So you're not playing there anymore, you're playing anywhere local still.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still doing writers rounds pretty regularly, anything down

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Speaker 3: And then I'm just kind of playing Illinois.

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Speaker 4: I go back up there quite a bit and play

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Speaker 4: but I don't necessarily go down to Broadway anymore, just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure they could take a toll on you

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Speaker 4: So I at the time, like at last year, at

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Speaker 4: I focused more on writing, and then I took my

444
00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,880
Speaker 4: license over to apartment locating. So I'm with apartment insiders

445
00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,080
Speaker 4: now and I do that and I make my own schedule.

446
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,560
Speaker 3: So it's been way different.

447
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,720
Speaker 2: Awesome, way different. Okay, So what's the last year year

448
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,240
Speaker 2: for you been? Like making that adjustment and kind of

449
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:35,960
Speaker 2: has it been better worse?

450
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,399
Speaker 4: The stuff that I've gone through this year, it doesn't

451
00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,440
Speaker 4: feel real like it's I moved, I lived by myself

452
00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,199
Speaker 4: for the first time. I had to basically pivot my

453
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,560
Speaker 4: entire career that I've been used to since the pandemic,

454
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,480
Speaker 4: both real estate and Broadway. And then I was on TV,

455
00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:01,399
Speaker 4: and that's obviously a huge turning point. And then you know,

456
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:07,040
Speaker 4: also just dealing with like the Internet, TikTok things like that,

457
00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,639
Speaker 4: learning how to add all of that into my schedule

458
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,520
Speaker 4: because that's so important these days too, and learning how

459
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,640
Speaker 4: to just kind of work with how quickly the music

460
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,879
Speaker 4: industry has changed in the past few years, Like especially

461
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,320
Speaker 4: this last year in general, has been like chaotic for

462
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 4: me to be able to figure all of it out.

463
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,960
Speaker 2: Now, what's social media like for you? Because it's a

464
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,880
Speaker 2: big part of what I talk about on this podcast,

465
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 2: just because most artists on this podcast are huge on

466
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,399
Speaker 2: social media because as an independent artist, you kind of

467
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 2: have to be to stay relevant, right, And it could

468
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,600
Speaker 2: be a real love hate relationship. Like that's how I

469
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 2: feel about social media. It's a it could be a

470
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,680
Speaker 2: great thing, but it can also be exhausting, it can

471
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 2: be overwhelming, it can be unhealthy. So as an artist,

472
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 2: for you, how what is that relationship like for you?

473
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,120
Speaker 4: I have a love hate relationship with TikTok. I think

474
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,880
Speaker 4: most musicians do, especially people who have been here longer.

475
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 4: Because the thing I struggle with the most is that

476
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 4: I've been here for seven years and when I moved here.

477
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 4: It was a ten year town, and you do this

478
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 4: and this is how it works, and you go in order,

479
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 4: and it feels and if you're putting in the work

480
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 4: and posting the tiktoks and writing the songs, I'm all

481
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,919
Speaker 4: for it. But sometimes it just feels like people skip

482
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 4: the line a little bit. And that's what I struggle

483
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 4: with the most because I have done the things. You know,

484
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 4: when I first started singing, I was fifteen or sixteen,

485
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 4: I'd upload a YouTube video every week. That was the

486
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 4: thing to do. And then on when Instagram became the thing,

487
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 4: I would upload a video a day. That was the

488
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 4: thing to do.

489
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 3: TikTok is three to five a day.

490
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 4: That's insane that I would be mentally unwell if I

491
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 4: had to do that.

492
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 2: Do you feel like music has the quality of music

493
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 2: has taken a dive a little bit because of that,

494
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 2: because everyone's always looking for the next thing. Like people

495
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: are coming with songs every week now, like dropping in

496
00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 2: like almost like a single every week. It seemed like

497
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 2: a on every Friday. It's like so and so, like wait,

498
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: they just came out with an album of twenty songs

499
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 2: two months ago, and I have more music coming out already, right.

500
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 3: I think definitely.

501
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's quality necessarily, I think the

502
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 4: biggest thing I wonder whenever I see people doing that,

503
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, where are you getting your money from? Especially

504
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 4: if they are independent, I'm like, what are you doing?

505
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 4: How are you doing this? Like do you know somebody?

506
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: Are you?

507
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 3: Are you dating a producer? Like what are you doing?

508
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 3: Like do I need to learn how to do this myself?

509
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 3: That sort of thing?

510
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 4: And yeah, I just that's the one thing I struggle

511
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 4: with the most is like where the money's coming from?

512
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 4: Because I can't that's I think right now. When I

513
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 4: first moved here, it was maybe like a song a chorder, yeah,

514
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 4: and now it's six to eight weeks. Is what you're

515
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 4: really shooting for?

516
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 3: That's minimum because you.

517
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 2: Have to pay for all that studio time and recording.

518
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 2: And I'm sure it is not cheap.

519
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean average right now, I would say two

520
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 4: thousand of song, Yeah, if you want something quality and

521
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 4: the one of the things. And this sounds like I

522
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 4: don't know how else to explain this, but with my

523
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 4: voice some times it's hard to like it can sound

524
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 4: bad because if it's too loud or it just needs

525
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 4: to be compressed correctly. And if it's not done correctly,

526
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 4: I can hear it, everybody else can hear it, versus

527
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 4: like if you have an easier, softer voice like mine

528
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,239
Speaker 4: is here and all over the place, and so I

529
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 4: do have to pay more to get that done on

530
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 4: some or make sure it's done right basically, because I've

531
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 4: had instances where I've had to redo something and spent

532
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 4: even more money than I planned because it was not

533
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 4: done right the first time.

534
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: Do you think that's what's the hardest thing about being

535
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 2: an independent artist?

536
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 4: Probably the money? Then, yeah, I still think it's the money,

537
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: because that's just a song. Okay, we need visuals, Okay,

538
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 4: we need you need visuals.

539
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 3: Okay.

540
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 4: Are we gonna pay for playlisting on this one? Are

541
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 4: we gonna, you know, outsource it too, Like I've outsourced

542
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 4: playlisting before, just like to another country, because I don't

543
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 4: know how else I'm supposed to afford it, versus like

544
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 4: using playlisting here like and a lot of people I

545
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 4: don't even know how many people really know what that means.

546
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 4: But basically, you have somebody basically curate playlists and send

547
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 4: out your song and hopefully it ends up on playlists.

548
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: And you're doing all that yourself, and it's I'm sure

549
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 2: it can be hit or miss, and sometimes you make

550
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: You're looking at me like, yes.

551
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 3: It's been all the bus It's been everything.

552
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: What's the best part about being an independent artist for you?

553
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 4: I can pick whatever I want to put out, and

554
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 4: I can post whatever I want and do whatever I

555
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 4: want on social media, And you know, I think if

556
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 4: I if I had I think, if I had restrictions,

557
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'd even prefer that. To be honest,

558
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 4: I'd prefer money. But at the same time, I don't

559
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 4: know if i'd prefer the restrictions.

560
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: And then what do you How would you describe your

561
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: style of music? Because I've heard a few of your songs,

562
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: seen you perform, and at first I'm like, oh, this

563
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 2: is like some heart, it's like a rock chick. So

564
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: you get it, you know, and then you look. You

565
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 2: hear some of your songs like the Vanilla song is

566
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: more like a softer song. And you talked about your

567
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: voice a little bit, So how would you describe your

568
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: your type of music? Genre of music? Is there a

569
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: certain description I always.

570
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 4: Tell people kind of like a southern rock anywhere from

571
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,479
Speaker 4: like Morgan Wade, el King, Cassie Ashton, Like in there,

572
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: I get compared to Cassie Ashton vocally a lot, so

573
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 4: anywhere in there, and I think she's kind of the

574
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 4: same way where they're like she's pop, she's country, she's this,

575
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 4: she's that, you know, a little bit all over the place.

576
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is that versatility can can definitely help you.

577
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: Who have been some of the people out here in

578
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: Nashville that have helped you, you know, when you're struggling

579
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: or say, been a shoulder to lean on in the

580
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: industry because I know it can't be easy. There's obviously

581
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: a lot of dark days with some good days, but

582
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: there have been somebody kind of look to for whether

583
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: it's advice or what to do in a certain situation.

584
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jackie Stevens, So she I don't know, do you know, Jackie,

585
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 4: it might sound familiar.

586
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: Word.

587
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

588
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 4: She worked with UMG for a long time or for

589
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 4: she was with Brothers and Eric Church and Kylie Morgan,

590
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 4: John Langston. She was basically in radio with them and

591
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 4: then now she's the producer on Nights with Elena.

592
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, Okay, how'd you meet her at Whiskey Jim.

593
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 4: She had Yeah, at Whiskey Jam, of all places, she

594
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 4: had heard a song.

595
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: This is so funny, she's going to die that I

596
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: told the story.

597
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 4: She had heard a song that I had written for

598
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 4: my friend Williams, who's an awesome artist, and she was like,

599
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 4: I love this song. I want to figure out if

600
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 4: I can help you. And at the time I thought

601
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 4: she was an accountant. When somebody said she was something accounts,

602
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 4: I was like, she's an accountant at Universal.

603
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: Got it cool, Like, but what what can she really do?

604
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 4: And I just told people for the longest time that

605
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 4: she was an accountant, and she's like, Alie, I work

606
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 4: in radio, like I actually like work with these artists personally.

607
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: Like I was like, oh, I'm still going to tell

608
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 4: people you're an accountant, because like, if you're I just

609
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 4: want to be your friend, Like I just want this

610
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 4: to be normal.

611
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: I can't think of you as this like you.

612
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 4: Know every she knows everyone, really, yeah, she knows everyone.

613
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: She's kind of seen it all, so I always go

614
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: to her for advice for sure.

615
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: Nashville for me has been I've met a lot of

616
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: people who have helped me or wanted to help me,

617
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: and it seems like that kind of town. I know,

618
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: everyone can be a little bit different experience wise outside

619
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: of her even Do you feel like you've gotten a

620
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: lot of help out here in the last seven years.

621
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: I do. Yeah.

622
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: I feel like, especially in the past few years with

623
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 4: just the voice and like things kind of building up

624
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 4: a little bit more, I feel like I've gotten some

625
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 4: more help, some more meetings, just like things like that.

626
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: But yeah, I feel like Nashville has always been a

627
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: super a super friendly town. That's the one thing that

628
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 4: hasn't changed. There's been a lot that has changed since

629
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 4: I moved here, but the one thing that hasn't is

630
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 4: most musicians are willing to help help you out if

631
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 4: they can tell that you're a good person.

632
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: Do you have like a a envision in your brain

633
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 2: where you're like, if I do this, I know I

634
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: made it kind of thing. You know, whether it's make

635
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: a big viral TikTok video, but that's probably not your thing,

636
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: but you know, like or is it signing with a

637
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: record label, is it performing at a certain venue. Do

638
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: you have something in your head where you're like, Okay,

639
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: I'm successful now right, I made it?

640
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: I think well and it's funny.

641
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 4: Jackie and I went to Beyonce actually I'm gonna bring

642
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 4: it up again, and she was like, do you want this?

643
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 4: And I was kind of like that feels like a

644
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 4: little big for me, But I love like the Ryman

645
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 4: maybe would be like huge for me, Like I would

646
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 4: be I would be cool with that.

647
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: Basically, especially with like what Jason is a bull. He

648
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: just sells it every October like a whole week out

649
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: or whatever. Like I think that's dope.

650
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be. That would be amazing. Yeah, have

651
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: you would you have a certain venue that you played

652
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 2: at that's been your favorite, most memorable venue you've ever

653
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: played out?

654
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: Man, I I'll say that.

655
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 4: I I recently did a festival that's new to Effingham

656
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 4: that they're really trying to bring some like bigger acts there.

657
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: Cooper Allen did it. Uh, I'm trying to think of

658
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: who else. Cooper Allen Big and Rich Brett my Goals

659
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 4: And then I was on the same bill as BlackBerry

660
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 4: Smoke and they put up this whole big I mean,

661
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 4: it was a huge festival. It was their first year

662
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Speaker 4: and I just did that and I have to say

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Speaker 4: that that's still my favorite because it was kind of

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Speaker 4: cool to see it in my hometown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that area for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever play? Have you ever played? And you

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Speaker 2: probably have, but recently in your your small hometown.

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Speaker 3: Yoga yoga, I haven't.

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Speaker 4: Actually I was asked to do hometown Christmas but I

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Speaker 4: unfortunately I'm not going to be there for it. But

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Speaker 4: I haven't played there since I think two years ago,

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Speaker 4: and I did their like little Christmas thing and it

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Speaker 4: was super cold, but it was cool because my nephew's

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Speaker 4: got to see me play. And yeah, no, I haven't

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Speaker 4: played there in a long time. We don't have too

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Speaker 4: many venues. We're not a huge like drinking town has more.

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Speaker 2: Bars, gotcha?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, what else? As we kind of wrap this

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Speaker 2: up here, you talk a lot about music. What else

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Speaker 2: do you like to do? What are some of your hobbies?

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 4: I try to stay in shape. I like to exercise

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Speaker 4: just for mental stability. I actually am like a huge

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Speaker 4: I'd listen to podcasts all the time, comedy podcast specifically.

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Speaker 4: I love stand up I love anything along those lines.

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Speaker 4: What else did I do? I hang out with my friends.

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Speaker 4: I wish I had more cool hobbies, but music is

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Speaker 4: like pretty much all.

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Speaker 2: I do Do you ever go to Zanies?

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Speaker 4: I went to Zanies. I saw Jared Freed there for

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Speaker 4: the first time. I had lived here for so long,

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Speaker 4: but I finally went to Zanies.

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Speaker 3: It was really cool.

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Speaker 4: I saw a Nate Bargatsi do the Opry out there.

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Speaker 4: That was really really cool to see because I had

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Speaker 4: never been to the Opry and saw him perform there

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Speaker 4: and it was awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of my favorite things.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever do any stand up for any comedy?

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Speaker 4: I've considered it in the past, but I don't think

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Speaker 4: that I I have like told jokes on Broadway and bombed,

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Speaker 4: And the differences is I can just go into a

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Speaker 4: song and if I'm on stage, I don't think I'd

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Speaker 4: be able to handle that.

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Speaker 2: Bring your guitar.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've seen enough rejection in my life already.

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Speaker 3: Now the time to start.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Little PTSD for you. Yeah, Well, what else

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Speaker 2: do you have coming up? Maybe at the beginning of

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Speaker 2: next year or throughout twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I am planning on releasing quite a bit of

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Speaker 4: music next year. I know my first single will be

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Speaker 4: called Fallout. I wrote that with Taylor Davison, Matt Morrisey.

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Speaker 4: So I'm super excited to have that one out in

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Speaker 4: the world and then plenty more to come after that.

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Speaker 3: So that's the plan.

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Speaker 4: I had a couple hold ups this past year from

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Speaker 4: releasing all that I wanted to, so plenty next.

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Speaker 2: Year will be on the lookout. Follow her on social media,

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Speaker 2: Ali keech Music, check her out streamer music. Support her. Ali,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: This has been a Bobby Cast production.