1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always for 3 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: tuning in. Super producer Casey Pegrum. Can we get an 4 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: elephant sound effect? A perfect? I mean, it's just it's 5 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: like I'm It's like he's on the zoom with us magic. 6 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in the Vatican in the hundreds 7 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: right now. What are we talking about. We're talking about 8 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: an amazing elephant named Hanno that was the subject of 9 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: no small amount of speculation. Uh, it'll make a lot 10 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: more sense if you listen apart one of today's episode, 11 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: where we ended on quite a gambit nol I believe 12 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: he called it a pope soak uh that won the 13 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: heart of Pope Leo the tenth and so now when 14 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: we pick up today's story, we learned that this didn't 15 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: just make the Pope titter with mirth once. It actually 16 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: was the first step on Hannah's journey to becoming the 17 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: Pope's absolute favorite pets in his menagerie, he said to 18 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: the elephant, and he said, I think this is the 19 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: beginning of a beautiful friendship. And it was. Uh. Leo 20 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: built a special I don't know. The enclosure is what 21 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: they call it in the church circles. It was you know, 22 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: probably an ornate cage, let's say. Um. And it was 23 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: between St. Peter's Basilica and the Apostolic Palace, and it 24 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: was open to the public, like a free zoo situation. Yeah, 25 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: it's funny. I this is probably just a dumb thing 26 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: to say, but I never think of like the people 27 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: that live in Vatican City. There's people that live there 28 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: and it's like a city. Uh this is mr obvious here, 29 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: but it just seems like that would be a very 30 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: interesting place to grow up. And you probably pick a 31 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: lot of history and crazy stuff for granted. Um. But yeah, 32 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: people were all equally taken by um by Hanno and 33 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: they wrote flowery poetry was inspired by it him and 34 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: um he was you know as he started with a 35 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: procession and the processions just kept going, um, kept coming. 36 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: He was part of all these parades. Leo the tenth 37 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: wrote a letter to King Manuel just freaking out, just 38 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: like over the moon about this elephants and uh, you know, 39 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: one would imagine that the the gambits of the Portuguese 40 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: paid off. Yeah. Yeah, just to step back here. Vatican 41 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: City was never a very populous place in comparison, of 42 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 1: course to Italy. Right as of nineteen, I think eight 43 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five people live there. The the number 44 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: saying to eight hundred and one. Thing is you can 45 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: only live there now if you are clergy or if 46 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: you are the Swiss Guards who are the police force 47 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: of Vatican City. All the other people work in Vatican City, 48 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: like two thousand, four hundred or so, but they travel 49 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: each day from Italy. It's not a crazy commute. Yeah. 50 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: But when we did that story about the missing girl 51 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: Vatican City on stuff they don't want you to know, 52 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: didn't her family live in Vatican City or was that 53 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: before they changed the rules or what was the deal there? 54 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: That's a that's a good question. Yeah. I believe that 55 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: they believe that they did live there, um, but that 56 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: was also a different times. Now that's the stuff super interesting, Ben, 57 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that that had shifted over time, but 58 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. So right in and let let 59 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: us know, especially if you live in Vatican City, we 60 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: would love to hear from you. Where a number of 61 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: reasons I thought, Casey Noll, I thought you guys might 62 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: enjoy a brief excerpt of the pope's fanboy level letter 63 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: to King Manuel about his favorite elephant. He says, uh, 64 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: just read apart. I wanted us to go along. But 65 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: he says it was the elephant which excited the greatest 66 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: astonishment to the whole world, as much from the memories 67 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: it evoked of the ancient past. For the arrival of 68 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: similar beast was fairly frequented in the days of ancient Rome. 69 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: When it's almost tempted to put faith in the assertion 70 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 1: of the idolators who pretend that a certain affinity exists 71 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: between these animals and mankind. The site of the quadruped 72 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: provides us with the greatest amusement and has become for 73 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: our people an objective, extraordinary wonder. And that's why they 74 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: call you ill Papa, my man. I swear you got 75 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: more and more Italian as that progressed. You started off 76 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: as almost like a feeble weird bond villain, perhaps with 77 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: some sort of like bone condition like in the what 78 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: is it Skype breakable? Oh well yeah different, yeah, yes, sure. 79 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: Also that were that You're right, that was a thing, um, 80 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: And then you got mad Italian there at the end. 81 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: I love it. Um. But yeah, man, this was a 82 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: big deal. They loved this elephant. The people love this elephant. 83 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: It served as a very kind of centralized source of 84 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: joy for all of it encountered him. How know, the 85 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: albino elephant livening up parties, festivals, ordinarily more serious processions, 86 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I believe that Pope Leo 87 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: even wrote poems himself about the elephant, because you pointed 88 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: out just a second ago that various movers and shakers 89 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: in the Vatican we're writing poems. But the Pope himself 90 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: wrote a poem. And he also, uh, he also wrote 91 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: a very sad poetic thing about Hanno, which we'll get 92 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: to not too much of a spoiler. Well, you know, 93 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: it's about elephant bones. So presumably the elephant does expire 94 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: at some point. True, Yeah, henno is not around now. Uh. 95 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: And interesting fact, never himself got to serve as pope. 96 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: There are a couple of laws or policies the Catholic 97 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: Church has about that. Now that Cheetah, on the other hand, 98 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: made out cracker Jack Pope Pope Cheetah. The second which 99 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: is confusing because yeah, so so uh, let's see just 100 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: examples of what of what Pope Leo did, because this 101 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: was like his baby now is literally his pet project. Uh. 102 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: He had he took a famous contemporaneous poet, had the 103 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: guy dressed up in old timey Roman clothing and then 104 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: put him on Hanno's back as part of a parade 105 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: through the city. But this thing, this didn't go as 106 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: planned because the this poor guy Hanno, I mean, was 107 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: not used to all the pomp and fanfare, the trumpets, 108 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: the banging drums. They scared the snot out of him, 109 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: and so eventually he reared up and this is you know, 110 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: this is an elephant, even if it's a young one, 111 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: and he threw this poet off his back. Another time 112 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: he stampeded due to cannon fire, he injured some of 113 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: the people that were clamoring around him. And at one 114 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: point during a viewing of Hanno, the crowds got so 115 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: tight that some nobles who were mounted on horseback ended 116 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: up crushing the regular people to death. What not Hanno's 117 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: fault an elephant trampling people inadvertently like some sort of 118 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: adorable Frankenstein's monster. Well, the only fatal trampling was from 119 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: the horses that the nobleman had. Dang it, that's even 120 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: more of a bummer. I was hoping that Hannah was 121 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: went on a rampage at some point in this story. Well, 122 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: Hanno soon found himself in competition for the favors and 123 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: affection of Pope Leo because Manuel one is a double 124 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: down kind of dude, like Walter White. He doesn't go 125 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: half measure. So he says, I've got the attention of 126 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: the Pope now, and I really need some help to 127 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: get some leverage over Egypt and the pressure they're putting 128 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: on the papacy. So two years later, in fifteen fifteen, 129 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: Manuel the First sends another animal to the pope. This 130 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: time it's a rhinoceros. Not impressed. It's debatable, another animal 131 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: from the land of India, which had been living in Lisbon, 132 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: Portugal and was part of the menagerie at the Royal 133 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: Court of of Portugal. And it was, you know, admittedly 134 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: pretty cool. Rhinos are are very exotic looking, even to 135 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: this day. I'm not surprised they're still around. They're just 136 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: like they're like this, like they like nor walls are 137 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: kind of like too weird to exist, and yet there 138 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: they are, and yeah. Actually, interestingly enough, the Portuguese would 139 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: would often uh pit rhinos against elephants in like fights 140 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: to the death. Did you know about this, Ben, Yeah, 141 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: I know what happened at least once. Okay, maybe it 142 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: was a one off. But in this particular instance that 143 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,119 Speaker 1: we know of what happened, well, luckily it ends peacefully. 144 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: So there's this arena picture of screaming crowd, someone gladoatorial 145 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: vibe where we are excuse me. So the rhino comes out, 146 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: and I feel sorry for rhinos, not just because they're 147 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: so very endangered, but because I worry about their necks 148 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: when I see them just standing around. It's like a 149 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: heavy ways the head that wears the horn situation. We 150 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: got there, we got there. But I gotta say, the 151 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: thick necks on those guys. Thick necks. Thick necks, thick necks. 152 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: That's one of the things they're famous for. This rhinoceros 153 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: sees an elephant in the arena and then it lowers 154 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: its horn. It starts you know, yeah, yeah, the dude 155 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: doing the thing with the foot. You know, I never 156 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: understood what that is, what that functions as the foot thing, 157 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: the footscrape. It's like it's charging up, you know, like 158 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: it's a car. But it's not a car. It's a rhinoceros. 159 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: We'd need Katie Golden back to help us understand that question. 160 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a warning to predators. Could it's a flex. 161 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: For sure, it's a weird animal kingdom flex. Let's leave 162 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: it at that. This intend to attack terrified the poor 163 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: elephant in question, so much so that this elephant tore 164 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: through an iron gate, ran back to its stable, and 165 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: sort of waited to be locked up. Uh. So, this 166 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: rhino was serious business. It was even more unique, if 167 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: you can imagine, than an elephant. So in December, the 168 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: Portuguese forces packed this rhino on a ship. They sent 169 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: it off toward the Vatican, and the rhino stopped and 170 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: made a few appearances on the way. There's a pr 171 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: element to this, as there is to everything. Uh But unfortunately, guys, 172 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: the ship sinks before it ever reaches Rome. And this 173 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: one could have survived. This is the tragic part. It 174 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: could have survived because rhinos can swim. But this one, 175 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: this poor guy, was shackled to the deck of the vessel, 176 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: so he drowned. I hate to hear that, and I 177 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: mean that I hate it. I'm upset you should be, 178 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: but I'm ready to move on. I'm okay now, biting 179 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: my lip though he can't he can't see me. Now, 180 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: I sound like I'm being instince here, but I assure you. Uh. 181 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: Animal drowning is something that I've frown upon and I 182 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: think upon. You're not great. I'm glad you're not one 183 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: of the people generally into the slow, painful death by 184 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: drowning of animals. No, no, not I uh So the 185 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: thing is manual. The first is in what we could 186 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: coldly and literally call a sunk cost scenario, oh r 187 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: scenario that guys ruined us. Uh. He retrieves the carcass 188 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: of the rhino. He's already gone to so much trouble 189 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: and so much expense to get it there, and when 190 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: he finds it, the corpse washes up on the French coast. Uh. 191 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: He orders people to stuff it and then mount it 192 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: and then send it off to Rome. So now they're 193 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: they're saying, Okay, the Pope is still getting a rhino. 194 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: It's a creature the likes of which he's never seen before. 195 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: It's just this one is going to be more of 196 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: a conversation piece than something you can hang out with, 197 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: right or at least, you know, hang up on the 198 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: wall or what it was? It was it like so 199 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: he said, when you say mount that just means like 200 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: you could you could taxidermy like an entire creature, not 201 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: just like the head and put it on the wall. 202 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: This would be like a free standing taxidermy right now, Yeah, 203 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: I believe so, I mean you could. You could put 204 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: it imposes perhaps if you wanted, maybe have one uh hoof, yeah, 205 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: a hoof slightly lifted right, as though warming up for 206 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: a charge, get a frozen tableau of like terror. But 207 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: we don't know too much about this rhino. We don't 208 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: know exactly what happened to the taxidermied rhino. And in 209 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: the book that we mentioned, part one of this episode, 210 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: The Pope's Elephant by Silvio Bedini, the author does try 211 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: to figure out what happened to this hapless rhinoceros. He 212 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: learns that the Pope sent it to his family in Florence, 213 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: and until pretty recently it was kept in a museum there. 214 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: But he couldn't, you know. As he was digging through 215 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: the museum's papers, uh Bedini could not find a record 216 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: of the actual rhino carcass. There were rumors that went 217 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: back and forth about it. Some people claimed a glimpse 218 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: it in Portugal years later, and so the rhino kind 219 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: of fades into the the blurred watercolor of time. But no, 220 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: we do know what happened to Hanno, and it's it's 221 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: not um it's not a super happy ending, but it's 222 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: a very weird one. No, I didn't drown chain to 223 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: the deck of a ship, did it. No, I can't 224 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: let that go. I really dug myself in a hole there, 225 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of doubling down by bringing it 226 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: up again. What's wrong with me? But yeah, no, definitely 227 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: not that, but but also pretty pretty pretty sad tale 228 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: of woe. Yeah, just a warning, this is a little 229 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: this is a little graphic, uh nol. You and I 230 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: were talking, uh off stage, off off air about this, 231 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: and we figured it would be the right thing to 232 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: do to give you a little bit of a heads up, 233 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: just in case this is something that might be triggering 234 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: for you. So young, Hanno, he's four years old when 235 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: he arrives in Italy. Uh. The lifespan of his type 236 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: of elephant, just for comparison, is around forty eight years. 237 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: You know the lifespan of a hamster has been I 238 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: do not, but I imagine it's what is it like 239 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: eleven years, eight years, six or two. Yeah, a hamster 240 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: purchase is basically like a near future heartbreak. I didn't 241 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: know this as my kid as this amster, and she 242 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: didn't know it either, and I found that out, and 243 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, this hamster is like gonna die soon, 244 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: not soon, but like in a year. But maybe if 245 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: we take really good care of it, it'll be the 246 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: longest living hamster there ever was. But yeah, lifespan of 247 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: an elephant way longer than life span of a hamster. 248 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: So imagine Hannah's got forty four years ahead of him 249 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: where he would be living kind of like an elephant king, 250 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He is the favorite of 251 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: one of the most powerful people in the land. However, 252 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: Hannah only lives to be about seven years old because 253 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: in fifteen sixteen he starts having some trouble breathing and 254 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: he's clearly not having a good day. He's clearly in 255 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: pain of doctors are called in because, of course the 256 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: Pope is very worried about this. His favorite pet and 257 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: the doctors say, here's the problem this this poor guy's constipated, 258 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: and we know how to fix it. Yeah. You alluded 259 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: to this a little bit in the last episode, maybe 260 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: teased this particular um medical device. Uh, and the I 261 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: don't know if this was like a thing at the 262 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: time that the humans were getting too. But these doctors 263 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: decided that what this elephant needed was a good old 264 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: fashioned dose of gold in the butt, a suppository, you 265 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: could call it a gold enema. Where this practical magic 266 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: idea came from. But yeah, it killed the guy. It 267 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: killed him dead. Wait is that a reference to the 268 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: film Practical Magic. I've never seen it. I haven't seen 269 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: it anither, But I just it just seems like this 270 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: kind of like magical thinking behind like putting gold up 271 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: the elephants rectum would uh would cure what ails him, 272 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: And in fact it did quite the opposite. Yeah. Sadly, 273 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 1: these types of enemas were a somewhat common treatment at 274 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: the time, you know what I mean. It's not like 275 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: the doctors were just sort of freestyling on what they 276 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: could do, because we have to remembery, you know, if 277 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: they didn't do their level best, there might be consequences 278 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: for them as well. So we know the doctors were 279 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: really trying to treat him. But surely these goldenemas didn't 280 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: like kill everyone. Did Hannah just I'm sorry, I'm laughing 281 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: at the set. Did Hannah just have a particularly bad 282 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: reaction allergic to gold Perhaps, I know that's the thing. 283 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: We're We're unclear, but it definitely what it definitely wasn't 284 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: helping him. It's probably misdiagnosed or something. You know, Medicine 285 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: then was very different from medicine today for humans, shut alone, 286 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: exotic animals and so On June eighth, fifteen sixteen, with 287 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: the Pope of the Catholic Church at his side, heartbroken, 288 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: Hanno passes away. Yeah. Um, and he got Raphael uh 289 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: the great artist and my personal favorite Ninja Turtle. I 290 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: most real into favor Michael Angelo. I'm a Raphael guy. Um. 291 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: At least in the cartoon he was kind of a dick. 292 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: In the movie. He was kind of a thick in 293 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: the cartoons. What are you talking about? Maybe maybe I'm 294 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: misremembering the Ninja turtles in their interplay between each other. 295 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: I remember Leonardo was the smart one. Wait, no, is 296 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: that Donna never Donna. I'm a Donna Tello through and through. Uh, 297 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: just grow it up as a bookish nerd uh. And 298 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: then you know, I got a little bit of Leonardo 299 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: with me. But he's more like the Cyclops of their 300 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: X Men, you know what. He's like the leader. He 301 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: takes it for the team at every turn, and Raphael's 302 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: like the wolverine. Raphael is the rogue. I kind of 303 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: think I like that about him. And Michael Angelo is 304 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: just like a stoner. He's a party dude. He's really 305 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: good with Yeah, but partying in the Nina Turtles world 306 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mean the same things partying in the human world, 307 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: does it. They just like to eat pizza and goof around. 308 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: Come man, ah, the nostalgia washes over us. Yeah. So 309 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: Rafael painting a memorial fresco. Sorry, that's the thing that 310 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: I was getting to before I went on a Ninja 311 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: Turtle rabbit hole there. Yeah, Raphael the great Artists painted 312 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: a fresco in memoriam for Hano, the the Elephant and 313 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: best friend of Pope Leo the Tenth and the Pope 314 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: knew what was up with Rafael's work process, and so 315 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: he said, look, you're gonna paint this fresco, and it 316 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 1: needs to be you, Rafael, not your assistant. I know 317 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: what you've been doing, kind of the same way that 318 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman has that stand in video guy that will 319 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: impersonate him. You can't afford Morgan Freeman video prices, so 320 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: he did that. He said it has to actually be Rafael. 321 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: And it's a pretty Do we know who's picture? Do they? 322 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: I say, I'm surely it's the Pope who's sitting on 323 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: top right, he's writing the elephant, and then there's somebody 324 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: like cradling his trunk unclear, unclear mystery woman, And yeah, 325 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: I would only have to assume of this is the Pope, which, uh, 326 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: it's hard to tell with the scale, but it seems 327 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: like as these he seem really small or really large. 328 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: Ben I'm I'm the proportions seem a little off, not 329 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: to not to nag Raphael, but um, it is beautiful 330 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: and very detailed and a very noble depiction of of 331 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: this beast. Yeah, sadly the actual fresco was destroyed later 332 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: during a modernization project, but you can't what what we're 333 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: talking about is a copy someone made of the fresco, 334 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: which is why it looks like a drawing. That makes sense. 335 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: What was a fresco? That's when you're like painting like 336 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: wet plaster, right, yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. Uh, done 337 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: rapidly watercolor on a wall or a ceiling, and when 338 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: the reason you do it on the wet plaster is 339 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: because it penetrates the plaster. It's almost like the art 340 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: equivalent of like doing the New York Times crossword and 341 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: pen in a way. Yeah, I think that's It's like, 342 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously has a look and it's good for 343 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: like architectural painting and stuff. But I anyway, um, but yeah, 344 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: it's it's sad that it did. Guy, I bet that 345 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: happens a lot things like that, getting lost into history. 346 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: Um in a city just chuck full of this kind 347 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: of history. Here's the here's the crazy thing. So there 348 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: are too crazy things about this one. Uh well, okay, 349 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: first crazy thing. There's a little bit of mysticism involved 350 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: here because a little like not too long before Hatto 351 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: passes away, there was a Franciscan monk who was traveling 352 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: through the land. He had twenty thousand followers, and as 353 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: he was traveling through the land, he predicted the deaths 354 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: of a number of church leaders up to it, including 355 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: Pope Leo the Tenth. And he also this monk prophesied 356 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: the death of Hanno and Hanno's keeper, and the elephant 357 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: died during that time frame. The monk was guessing, so 358 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: did Hanno's keeper, although people paid way more attention to 359 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: the death of the elephant than they did to this 360 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: human being. And then the second weird thing is that 361 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: and we teased this a little bit when we talked 362 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: about the poetry. Uh, Hanno was the subject of a 363 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: lengthy epitaph written by none other than Pope Leo himself. 364 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: So he's commemorated in this fresco, and the Pope himself 365 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: takes the day off for a long night to write 366 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: the epitaph. And I was thinking maybe we could, maybe 367 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: we could read this and split it up. What do 368 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: you think, Yeah, yeah, we can do our respective pope 369 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: papal voices under the Great Here I lie buried my 370 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: dear elephant, which the King Manuel, having conquered the Orient, 371 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: sent as a captive to Populio the Tenth, at which 372 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: the Roman people are marveled a beast not seen for 373 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: a long time and in my brutish beast they perceived 374 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: human feelings. Fate envied me my residence in the blessed Lathium, 375 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: and had not the patience to let me serve my 376 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: master a full three years unpacked that a lot. I 377 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: understand what any of this means. It's from the perspective 378 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: of Hanno. Oh my god, I'm such a dumb Okay, 379 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: carry on, Ben, thank you for clarifying that good manners. 380 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: But oh gods, that the time which nature would have 381 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: assigned to me and destiny stole away. He will add 382 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: to the life of the great Leo. He lived seven years. 383 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: He died of angina. He maze your twelve pounds in height. 384 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: Giovarre Batista r de la Quila. I'm sorry buried the 385 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: leader a little bit. He died of angina. I love 386 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: the cause of death is and he's not in Jona. 387 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: Just like chess pains. I don't think he could die 388 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: of chess pains. That had to like escalate anyway. Yeah, 389 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: it's it's it's weirdly specific, and of course we're translating. 390 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: We're doing it. We're translating live right now from the 391 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: Pope's Italian pen to our bad Italian voices. Here we go. 392 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: Previous Chamberlain to the Pope and Provost of the custody 393 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: of the Elephant has erected this in fifteen sixteen. Wait, 394 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: that's just what is that? That's just like it's like 395 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: like a footnote. This is like he's explaining, like, like 396 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: what the thing was that. This is not in the 397 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 1: Pope's voice. So take all that back, but leave it 398 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: all in. I'll just go. I'll continue. Has erected this 399 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: in fifteen sixteen, the eighth of June, in the fourth 400 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: year of the pontificate Leo the tenth, that which nature 401 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: has stolen away Raphael of Urbino with his art, how restored? 402 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: Oh my god, such butt kissing both cheeks. I mean, 403 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: Raphael is a big deal. I get it. Uh. This 404 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: is really interesting because if we do want to explore 405 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: a little bit of this, we see that they're acknowledging 406 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: what's called anthropomorphization, which is when we ascribe human emotions 407 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: or intellect uh more motives to non human animals. And 408 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: what's so prescient about this is that whatever kind of 409 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: interactions the Pope was having with Hanno, they had clearly 410 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: persuaded him that Hanno was possessed of great intelligence, and 411 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: later studies over the centuries have found that elephants are brilliant, 412 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: like they're crazy intelligent. They do a couple of things 413 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: that very few other animals, including humans, can do, like 414 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: they seem to be self aware. You can find elephants 415 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: painting things. There's that one story which is not completely verified, 416 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: about an elephant rescuer who passed away sadly uh and 417 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: only for his home and his grave to be visited 418 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: by all the elephants he had saved, and they went 419 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: through this journey to come find him. And to this day, 420 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: again i'd i'd have to dig in and get the details, 421 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: but to this day, no one knows how the elephants knew. 422 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: Like it's it's so amazing to me that that fact 423 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: remains true today the same way it remained true in 424 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: the fifteen hundreds. And the Pope, who, as you can imagine, 425 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: has some pretty definitive opinions on what is humanity and 426 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: what is intelligence and what is a soul. The Pope 427 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: was like, this is my guy, it's my favorite podcast. 428 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: Hot takes with the Pope. It's a it's you know, 429 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: he's definitely got got some opinions that guy. Um, I 430 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: gotta say it too, Ben, You know the the re 431 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: the elephants and tell us. I mean, look at that 432 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: cool trick he did with the trunk man and the genuflecting, 433 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, and the old and elephant never forgets. Thing 434 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: is that? Isn't that? Remember? Okay, somewhat spoiler for the 435 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: Watchman TV series. Maybe fast forward thirty seconds if you 436 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: don't want to hear this. Um, there's a part where 437 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: one of the characters is ingested somebody else's memories and 438 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: has to basically have like a psychic stomach pumping of 439 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: some sort and wakes up connected to an elephant, and 440 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: it has something to do. They don't ever explain it, 441 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: but the assumption is that it has something to do 442 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: with restoring her memories. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I recall 443 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: that part. Yeah, elephants have a prodigious memory. And there's 444 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: another thing we teased that we promised we didn't forget about. 445 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: Remember we said that Hottle was more than a pet, 446 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: and Hottle may have played a part in some hugely 447 00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: important religious and political events. It turns out that tragic 448 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: story of Hano may have been part of the spark 449 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: that led to the Protestant Reformation, because yeah, because look, 450 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: Pope Leo is Pope Leo the Tenth is not like, 451 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, your friendly neighborhood pope these days. By friendly 452 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: neighborhood pope, I I guess I mean Pope Francis. There's 453 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: only one pope right now. Uh So. Back in the day, though, popes, 454 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: as we may have explored in previous episodes, were occasionally 455 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: very headonistic. I don't want to say depraved people, but 456 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: they were like party animals in a way that would 457 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: have seemed pretty hypocritical to your average Catholic peasant who 458 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: had never visited the Vatican. Pope Leo the Tenth was 459 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: known for like going on these wild, regular parties every weekend. 460 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: It's like an episode of MTV Cribs or you know, 461 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: a music video or Pimp My Ride, perhaps that one 462 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: with exhibit Yeah, we put the thing in your thing 463 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: because you like the thing, right, that's the one, Yeah, 464 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: the thing thing. Um yeah, man, that's fascinating. I told 465 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: you there's gonna be some political twists and turns brought 466 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: on by this elephant. So we've delivered on that. I 467 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: believe we've delivered on gold enemas. Um didn't realize at 468 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: the time that would be the cause of the tragic 469 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: demise of our hero Hanno. The albino elephant really quickly. 470 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: We haven't really discussed this. When we say albino elephant, 471 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: do we mean like literally like no pigment, like like 472 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: stark white? Is that how this elephant would have appeared? 473 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: It's interesting. I was wondering about this too, because there 474 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: are some um pigmentation differences among elephants in general. I 475 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: was thinking about this. About one in twenty thousand people 476 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: have albinism, but about one and seventy people carry the 477 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: recessive gene that causes it, and so we know they're not. 478 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: It's not like a distinct kind of elephant. It's not 479 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: a distinct species. It's just a rare genetic expression, you 480 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean? I say, yeah, oh, yeah, that's 481 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: what I figured. I mean in terms of yeah, you know, 482 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: like like what are those uh the Edgar Winter Remember 483 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: the Edgar Winter group. He was an albino, wasn't yep, yep, yep. 484 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: He had albanism as well, But man, that guy was 485 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: a prodigy. I was just it's weird that you mentioned that, 486 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: because I was listening to that just a few weeks ago. 487 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: He's a synth lord, was what he is? There we go, 488 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: this is the thing, though, because the Protestants, for the 489 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: people will become Protestant Reformers are already angry or what 490 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: they see is the excesses of the church. The fact 491 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: that Pope Leo now has especially pet elephant from India. 492 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: It's named Hanno. It became one of their go to 493 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: examples of how hypocritical the church have become. And they 494 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: were like, you know, oh, people are starving being impressed, 495 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: and this guy with his fancy hat who tells us 496 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: he's in charge of all religion is out here partying 497 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: with his elephant. They're entirely disconnected from the real world. 498 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: And then satirist kind of start um start using that 499 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: as a bit or as a foundation for for their 500 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: future works, the same way that UH Saturday Night Live 501 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: might take a quote from a I don't know, like 502 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: a dumb quote from a celebrity or a politician and 503 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: make a sketch about it. That's why you see these 504 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: German satirist of the time start UH criticizing and mocking 505 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: the pope for the elephant, which he seemed to genuinely love, 506 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 1: by the way, totally no, he really did. He seemed 507 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: to genuinely heartbroken. And it takes a lot to pull 508 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: that kind of flowery poetry out of a pope that's 509 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: not sure they usual we speak pretty flower ely. Um. 510 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, interesting, very interesting and human story because you 511 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: think of the pope as being this like larger than 512 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: life kind of you know, uh, lays on to the 513 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: almighty or whatever, um, god like, maybe not god like, 514 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: but one you know, is treated as such, you know 515 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: by followers. Um. And this, even though it's think a 516 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: totally weird, exotic flexi kind of pet to have, um, 517 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: you gotta respect the man's love for Hanno the albino elephant. 518 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: And with this in mind we we reach our epilog. 519 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: Most of the satirists said that Hannah was dismembered and 520 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: the bits of his body were handed out to favorite 521 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: members of the church how to like the relics of saints. 522 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: But what really happened is that most of Hannoh's body 523 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: stayed in the Vatican. His tuss which is very brutal, 524 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: but his tusker is supervaluable, right, so there removed and 525 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: stored elsewhere. But the rest of him was buried beneath 526 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: that courtyard where he had lived, the belviture court, and 527 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: his bones were rediscovered by those construction workers. And they 528 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 1: lay there today. What do you mean they lay there today? 529 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: They're still there. They're still there. They didn't they didn't 530 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: they didn't disenter them and put them together like a's 531 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: some kind of cool like elephant like museum piece. That's 532 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: a that's a good question. So as off the bones 533 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: were still there, huh. Interesting, I would have thought surely 534 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: they would have done something interesting with them, like put 535 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: him in a cool box in the library at the 536 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: very least. But okay, right on. Good to know. And 537 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: just because this physical personality had passed away doesn't mean 538 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: that Hannah's legacy was gone. There were still portraits of 539 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: him around that circulated through Europe. You can see some 540 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: in a museum in Oxford today, at least four of them. Uh. 541 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: You can see all their artistic tributes towards this white elephants. 542 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: And and you know, it can be a little tricky 543 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: to speculate the providence of those or what inspired what, uh, 544 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: but you know, you'll you'll see notable impressions that clearly 545 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: Hanno made on the culture of the time and the 546 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: years that followed after his death. In fact, Pope Alexander 547 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: the seventh was so impressed by a Hanno inspired elephant 548 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: sculpture designed by jan Lorenzo Bernini, the foremost artists of 549 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: the time, that the Pope said, I'm going to celebrate 550 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: Manuel the First and the gift of Hanno that he 551 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: gave us by saying the following, and he said, every 552 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: Portuguese citizen who's in Rome right now can drink for 553 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 1: free editing public house in town, which is basically a bar. Uh. 554 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: But that's a legend, and that's spoos that's said to be. 555 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: This is so weird, and we don't know Italian speakers 556 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: check us on this, but that is said to be 557 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: are rumored to be the origin of the Italian expression 558 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: put the guests to make like a Portuguese, which means 559 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: idiomatically to show up somewhere uninvited, which I loved. By 560 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: the way. That's like the opposite of the Irish good 561 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: bye the Portuguese hello, the Portuguese hello. To make like 562 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: a Portuguese, make like a Portuguese and come on in, 563 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: let's stay a while. Um. Yeah. Another another little detail 564 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: you want to add here at the end is remember Rafael, 565 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: our boy who painted that fresco. Well, apparently Leo the 566 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: tenth loved it so very much that he really wanted 567 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: to make Rafael a cardinal. But unfortunately Rafael expired himself 568 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: due to a fever caused by a night of sexual 569 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: excess with his mistress, because very young mistress, and so 570 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: he didn't have a chance to be cardinalized. Man. That's 571 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 1: why I mean the brightest flames burn briefest. I guess 572 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: if we wanted to say something nice in that regard. No, 573 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: there There's one question though, that we definitely have to 574 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: we definitely have to get to, and that is, does 575 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: the story of Hannah have something to do with the 576 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: idea of a white elephant party? Uh? Probably not? Uh, 577 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 1: probably not. We know it's been used since the eighteen 578 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: hundreds to refer to something as a less than desirable gift. 579 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: And you've heard of the phrase white elephant party? Sure? 580 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: What I hadn't heard of I hadn't heard of them 581 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: being called the Yankee swap or the dirty Santa, both 582 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: of which sound like sexual euphemisms. So yeah, dirty Santa. 583 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: For remember the episode of the Office, he says Yankee swap, 584 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: but like he he gives away the gift that were intended, 585 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: like people bought gifts specifically for each other. That only 586 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: works when you don't do that. Um, if you just 587 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: buy a generic gift, and then you know you're supposed 588 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: to only spend a certain amount of money. And of 589 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: course I think Michael gets an iPod, and uh, everyone 590 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: wants the iPod. And then of course Jim gets Pam 591 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: a teapot and it's got special secret you know, love 592 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: things inside of it. But I far of Michael Scott 593 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: YANKI swap. And according to an article from New York 594 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: Times in eighteen seventy three, the phrase white elephant refers 595 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: to something that's impossible to get rid of but too 596 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: expensive to maintain. It would be an enormous financial burden, 597 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: so would make you you would go broke trying to, 598 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: you know, take care of a white elephant. And that 599 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: that dates back to this legendary story that white elephant 600 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: gifts began long ago when the King of Siam or 601 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: present day Thailand gave an actual white elephant to anyone 602 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: he disliked. They were rare, they were very expensive to 603 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: care for. They were also highly respected symbols in time 604 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: and Buddhist culture, so you couldn't get away with putting 605 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: it to work like a regular elephant. You couldn't just 606 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: give it to someone else because it might be an 607 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: insult to the king. So that's where the phrase white 608 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: elephant comes from. So Hanno may have been genetically related 609 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: to this stuff, but he he probably himself, was not 610 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: the inspiration for the phrase. The case he can, we 611 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: get one of those like you. The more you know 612 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: sound cues, and that's it. That's just the wory of Hanno. 613 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: I want to hang out with an elephant. I don't 614 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: think I should. I don't think um they should necessarily 615 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,439 Speaker 1: be kept as pets. But have you guys ever spent 616 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: time around an actual elephant, like hung out with it? 617 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: An elephant? They have a zoos sometimes their camel rides. 618 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: And I definitely in Germany and I grew up and 619 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,439 Speaker 1: grew up there. I was there till I was six. 620 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: But I definitely have a distinct memory of writing an 621 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: elephant and feel like there's a picture somewhere of me 622 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: on said elephant. How about you, super producer Casey Pigram. Yeah, 623 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: I mean I've seen him in zoos and I was 624 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: lucky enough to see a few on safari in South Africa. 625 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: That's right just outside the car window, and that's pretty 626 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: impressive site in person. Oh, so there's a good there's 627 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: a great elephant situation at the Atlanta Zoo. I know 628 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: people have mixed feelings about zoos, but it's my understanding 629 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: that most of the animals are all the animals at 630 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: Atlanta Zoo, like we're kind of rescues and some I 631 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: don't know, and I'm just like a zoo apologist. But 632 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: the elephants shore are cute. Yeah. Yeah, I've visited the 633 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: elephants at the Atlanta Zoo pretty frequently, and I've seen 634 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: some um elephants in in other places. Uh. You know, 635 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: one of the big concerns is just to make sure 636 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: that they are treated well and that their intelligence is acknowledge. 637 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 1: But I would man, I'd love to hear people's stories 638 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: about any firsthand elephant encounters in case. I can't believe 639 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: I forgot about your afropunk adventures. Best pretty amazing stuff. 640 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: How long ago was that now that was I think 641 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen going into because we were there end of 642 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: December beating of January. So it's been like almost a 643 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: couple of years. Yeah. Did you stay for New Year's 644 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: too and all that? Yeah? Oh yeah, New Year's in 645 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: and Johannesburgh was really a freaking wild man jealous. Um. 646 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: I guess that that gets us, that takes us home. 647 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a justifiable too partern folks 648 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: just want to put that out there, not to be 649 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: a two parter apologist, but you know that's what. I 650 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: don't think we need to be too apologize. This is 651 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: a good way and it gave us a chance to 652 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: talk about elephants. Uh, we've got to do some pope voices. Overall, 653 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: I had a great time and when we hope you 654 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 1: had a good time. To folks, we're gonna sew this 655 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: up quick because we never knew when Jonathan Strickland a k. 656 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: The Quister is gonna drop in with you know what 657 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: you have done? No, no, we gotta we have to 658 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: go clearly, quickly run through this graveyard. Uh. He would 659 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: have loved to do some pope stuff. He might just 660 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: do it anyway. When he comes on, we can't control him. 661 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: We can only summon him or avoid him. But big 662 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,720 Speaker 1: thanks to Jonathan Strickland a k. The Quister. Big thanks 663 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 1: to you, uh Casey popecast Pegram, Huge thanks to uh 664 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: Alex Williams who definitely composed our theme. Uh sorry, y'all, 665 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: it's a it's gonna it's six o'clock on a Friday 666 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: and I am fading need to uh do the old 667 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: post work home bound happy hour thing. That's gonna be fun. 668 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: Christopher hastiots here in spirit and do check out of course, 669 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: our Pure podcast or Eves Jeff Code This Day in 670 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: History Class is fantastic. We love the show, we love her. 671 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: Hope to have her back on the air soon. Let 672 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: us know what you think. Of course, thank you to Hannam. 673 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: May he rest in peace. We'll see you next time. Books. 674 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: For more podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the I 675 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to 676 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.