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Speaker 2: Oh, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about

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Speaker 2: the baddest of the worst of people history bad Heinrich

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Speaker 2: Himmler episodesin Rick, It's it's a Tuesday. We don't normally

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Speaker 2: record on Tuesdays. I never could get the hang of Tuesdays.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing, prop Jason Petty, our guest host

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Speaker 2: of Hood Politics, Man, do you get Tuesdays?

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Speaker 3: I get Tuesdays, man, because I get to listen to

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Speaker 3: Behind the Bastards on Tuesdays. It's my I look forward

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Speaker 3: to Tuesdays. Yes, excuse me.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I guess that's what I am. Now, you you're

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Speaker 4: the best br I am.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Just hey, guys like you think you want to be homeowners, You.

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Speaker 4: Think you want to buy.

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Speaker 3: A house, and then now you're looking at puddles of

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Speaker 3: water under your water heater.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I said you had a Tony soprano a moment your

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Speaker 1: water heater.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah. The upside of having a house is that

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Speaker 2: you can knock holes in the walls if you want

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Speaker 2: to to to modify it, or you can paint it

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Speaker 2: and you don't have to ask your landlord. The downside

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Speaker 2: is when you inevitably fuck something up doing your own word, Nicoll,

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Speaker 2: there's no one to call. You just accepted the person

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Speaker 2: that you have to pay money too.

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Speaker 4: Exactly. I was, yeah, that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: It's like I run through all of those moments where

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh shoot, I better call the.

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Speaker 2: Wait uh huh, better call them me.

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Speaker 4: It called them me.

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Speaker 3: And then I was like, Okay, how much are the

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Speaker 3: products YouTube University?

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Speaker 4: Do I have a friend?

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Speaker 3: Like just all the things and then you and then

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Speaker 3: the trade off of like there's a guy that can

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Speaker 3: come put it in the thing, come put it in

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Speaker 3: for like two hundred bucks, but like there's no warranty

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Speaker 3: with that, there's.

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Speaker 2: No Yeah, there's no warranty. There's no way to know

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Speaker 2: other than like maybe your buddy, hopefully, hopefully your buddy

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Speaker 2: had a good experience with this guy, because exactly the

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Speaker 2: way to know that he's exactly bonded by the fuck

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Speaker 2: whom yes exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: My brother in law goes, hey, I think I got

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Speaker 3: how what your costs?

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Speaker 4: Bro?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had that experience more than once

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Speaker 2: where it's like, Okay, this guy is really really good.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't speak English and you don't speak his language. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but he'll write down on a piece of paper what

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Speaker 2: it costs and it'll probably work. And I'm like, that

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Speaker 2: sounds great because the other guy quoted me seven thousand dollars.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll just yeah, I just called the like I

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Speaker 5: called the the certified you know, city permit, like you know,

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Speaker 5: we'll we'll come in, we'll haul it out, we'll give

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Speaker 5: you new lines and everything.

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Speaker 4: I was like, this is gonna cost how much?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely not Gino Guantoso. Let's just go with the

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Speaker 2: guy who's absolutely never seen the inside of a government office. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll assume he knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: He has a friend or yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: You know who didn't have a friend named Jorge because

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Speaker 2: he was a Nazi and also lived in Germany. Not

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Speaker 2: a lot of Hooges in Germany. Heinrich Himmler. Uh, you

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Speaker 2: know who we've been talking about for the last two episodes.

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Speaker 2: We ended part two talking about a vocush mystic named

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Speaker 2: Guido carl Anton List. Oh, yeah, I showed you letters.

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Speaker 2: The ghost told him the letters. Yes. Probably so many

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Speaker 2: people in this episode learned everything they know about ancient

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Speaker 2: Germans from ghosts who talk to them. That's where we

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Speaker 2: learned most of what we know about the ancient Germans

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Speaker 2: from their ghosts. Yes, god, it's so easy. Like being

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Speaker 2: an archaeologist sounds like a pain in the ass. You

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Speaker 2: probably six to eight years I'm guessing you know, something

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Speaker 2: like that to get your pH d. And then you

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Speaker 2: like brushing dirt away from artifacts. And you can't touch

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Speaker 2: him with your hands because that'll fuck stuff up. Or

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Speaker 2: you could just grow out a crazy beard, put on

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, because that's way better. Yeah, because it ain't

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Speaker 3: Indiana Jones. You not like this beautiful college professor that

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Speaker 3: gets to go on these adventures. No, you are in

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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five degree weather with a toothbrush,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we're talking about Heinrich Schleiman now. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we ended last episode talking about this guy, widow

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Speaker 2: Carl Anton list He starts going after he you know,

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Speaker 2: starts talking to the ghosts and getting you know, building

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Speaker 2: his theories about these ancient aryans. He changes his name,

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Speaker 2: list and the Vaughn. Whenever you see a Vaughn in

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Speaker 2: royal ancestry. There's no evidence of that whatsoever. But the

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Speaker 2: ghosts that he was talking to are like, oh, dude,

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Speaker 2: we recognize you're You're the you're the reincarnation of this

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Speaker 2: twelfth century night, you know, Like, in't that cool good

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Speaker 2: thing you talk to us ghosts? We know we can

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Speaker 4: Right, I'm telling you, m I.

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Speaker 2: Love that kind of shit.

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Speaker 4: These people owe you a thousand dollars because you're royal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, I know you're special because of

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Speaker 2: I saw the ghosts of my spirit, or I saw

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Speaker 2: the ghost of my ants, and I'm descended from a

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Speaker 3: Somebody had to somebody has to be descended to them. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you talked to your ancestors. Your ancestors said, Look, dog,

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Speaker 3: I died at nineteen. I got no wisdom for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw one hundred and fifty of my past

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Speaker 2: you don't tend to get those guys. Instead, what we

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Speaker 2: similarities between von List and Himmler's backgrounds. And I find

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Speaker 2: these guys like Heidenrich Himler. Guido List was born and

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Speaker 2: Guido's father, Carl Anton List, was a well to do

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Speaker 2: leather merchant Justice Himmler's fantasies were fueled by his views

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Speaker 2: of the cold stone walls of berg Truznitz. The fires

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Speaker 2: of List's later obsession for Nordic paganism were stoked by

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Speaker 2: a field trip to the catacombs beneath the city of

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Speaker 2: specifically beneath the old city post office, his tour group

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Speaker 2: And as an adult, he has this like powerful spiritual

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Speaker 2: He just get so excited because he's fourteen and he's

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Speaker 2: right like if he was around today, he'd have been

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Speaker 2: Like you know, he uses the money he gets from

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Speaker 2: These are not the poor. These are mostly middle class

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Speaker 2: have enough, They have enough comfort and income and free

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Speaker 2: time to get bored, right. These are not people who

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Speaker 2: are laboring in the poison factory all night, like yeah,

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Speaker 2: waiting through cyanide on a daily basis. People like that

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Speaker 2: don't get bored enough to think of stuff like this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, boredom is a sign of privilege in right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some this kind of boredom is leads.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's the boredom of like, well, my job

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the big bearded guy invented the name Wotan.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no Wotan is I mean, this is a

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Speaker 2: of Norse mythology. There was like a pagan god that's Wotan.

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Speaker 2: Like he's not inventing all of this out of whole cloth.

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Speaker 2: He's inventing the details out of whole cloth. Right. He

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Speaker 2: that the Romans mostly exterminated. There's very little we actually

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Speaker 2: especially when we're talking about Wotan. There's there is some

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Speaker 2: because they need to make up a lot more, right,

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Speaker 2: because there's just you know, it's not exciting enough on it.

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Speaker 4: So I tell you, I just I didn't know, like

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Speaker 4: the Norse had a Wu tang.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the Wu Tang clan originate from ancient Germany.

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Speaker 4: The god Wotang.

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Speaker 2: Ain't nothing to fuck with me. Actually, these guys kind

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Speaker 2: of are fucking with him because they're largely creating like

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Speaker 2: what they think Wotan worship should be like. And one

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Speaker 2: thing I found interesting because Liszt has some writings where

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Speaker 2: he'll admit that, like, as an adult, all of these

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Speaker 2: like torch slit ceremonies in the in the woods at

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Speaker 2: this temple that he holds, none of them get him back.

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Speaker 2: He's always chasing that feeling he had as a fourteen

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Speaker 2: year old, and I want to return grab this guy

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Speaker 2: through the mists of time and shake and be like

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Speaker 2: it's because you were fourteen. Yes, everything was more exciting

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Speaker 2: than you were a child.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's the law of diminishing returns. And nostalgia. Yes, everyone, nostalgia.

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Speaker 3: You always remember it better.

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Speaker 2: We always have. When I get into this feeling, I

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Speaker 2: just watch Happy Gilmore for the four hundredth time, right, like,

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Speaker 2: it's all you got a lot. Hell, it's a lot

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Speaker 2: of healthier than creating a religion.

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Speaker 4: It's all you got to do, man, Yeah, just put

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Speaker 4: on an old record.

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Speaker 2: List for list. It has to be real. He has

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Speaker 2: And it's awesome. You guys beat their asses and that's

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Speaker 4: Like you know what I'm saying, Like you could have been,

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Speaker 2: Ludendorf is also a Volcish writer, you know, in addition

431
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: to having been the former commander of the German armed

432
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 2: Forces during World War One. It didn't go well. So

433
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: Himmler shows up at a church in Lanchut to register

434
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 2: with a local Nazi party office and join the party officially.

435
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: And the guy at the desk that day taking registrations

436
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: was the regional party chief for the area, another dude

437
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: named Gregor Strausser. Now we haven't talked about the Straussers,

438
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: because there's Gregor and there's his brother, Otto, his younger brother,

439
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: and they are Yeah, the Strassers are important because they

440
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 2: are Again, the right wing today will accuse the Nazis

441
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: of being socialists, right, because socialist is in the name

442
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: of the party name, and the tiny germ of truth

443
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: that the using is the basis is that these two guys,

444
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: the Straussers, were members of what you could call the

445
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: left flank of the early Nazi party. This is before

446
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 2: the party gets into power. And what's happening here is

447
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: that the Communists are also growing in the years that

448
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: the Nazis are growing, and the Nazis recognize that they

449
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: need to be able to message to the working class,

450
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: to these union guys who have been sort of like

451
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 2: the base of the communist party. So we need to

452
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: have some messaging about how we're going to help workers,

453
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: and we're going to like, you know, make sure you

454
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 2: get vacations, and like, oh, these these these Jews are

455
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: actually hurting you, the laboring class, and we're going to

456
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: take what's theirs and we'll give it to you and

457
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: we'll make your lives easier. So that you need to

458
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: have some sort of messaging to the laboring classes that

459
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 2: that can kind of mimic some of what the Communists

460
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: are promising, and not Owen gregor Strausser. Are those guys, Yeah.

461
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, not not not familiar at all, but I knew.

462
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: I'm mega communism, yeah right and such.

463
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just like I realized like where I remembered it.

464
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 3: It was a what was that book? Death, Death of Democracy?

465
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 3: That's why that name was Like then they was talking

466
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 3: about when I was talking about, like, yeah, the the

467
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: left flank or just borrowing the language of you know,

468
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 3: leftists or communist thinking, I'm like, I have I experienced

469
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 3: that like in my like my church background, you know,

470
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 3: cause like I come from such a different tradition than

471
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 3: sort of the modern you know, American conservative. But they

472
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: would say stuff like, you know, change the culture, you

473
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, and like and when I think,

474
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: when you say that to me, I'm thinking, you know,

475
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: the ten ten points of the Black Panther. You know

476
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, at ten points of black mother, that's

477
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: changing the culture.

478
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

479
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 3: I'm thinking when you're saying you know that, I'm thinking

480
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: beloved community, the twenty five points of beloved community that

481
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 3: doctor King talks about. So like I thought we were

482
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: saying the same thing. But it's just like no, it's

483
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: just a way to message. Yeah, man, if you're not careful.

484
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 3: You know, you find yourself standing next to the wrong rebel.

485
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And like the Strasser are useful in

486
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: this early period where the party is trying to build momentum.

487
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: They're not gonna last long either, like Rome, They're going

488
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 2: to get purged. They do. They are actual believers, right,

489
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: Like this is like with a lot of our like

490
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: maga communist stuff. I think they are just grifters. The

491
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: Strasser brothers really do believe what they're saying, which is

492
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 2: why they're they're going to like break with the party

493
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: when they realize that Hitler is using them. You know,

494
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: they're not good people. I'm not saying that, but they

495
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 2: do believe what they're saying, right, Yeah. So in nineteen

496
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: twenty three, though, Auto Strausser is a big man in

497
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: the Nazi Party, and he and Himler wind up establishing

498
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: a relationship because they've get a shared interest in chemistry.

499
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: Himmler's interested in chemistry in school. Auto is I think

500
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: a pharmacist, and so they bond too. And what you're

501
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: seeing here is Himmler's got this kind of instinct for

502
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: CosIng up to and getting friendly with and building a

503
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: friendship almost in like this mentor mentee way with these

504
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: men who are more prominent in the party, who are

505
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: going to give him access to higher levels of the party.

506
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: This is something he's really good at. He's got like

507
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: an instinct for it now. Heinrich's brother, Gebbart, also joins

508
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 2: the Nazi Party, and both men are present in the

509
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: party in November of nineteen twenty three when Hitler incites

510
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: the Munich Beer Hall push. There's a picture of both

511
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: of them at the time that shows Himmler and his

512
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: brother standing awkwardly around the barbed wire fence erected around

513
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: the War Ministry in Munich. In his book, Willie Frishauer

514
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: describes the brothers as looking like awkward children playing dress up.

515
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, Sophie's going to show you the photo. You

516
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: can see you can see Heinrich there, he's the one

517
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: holding the flag, right and he yeah, he just looks

518
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: like he looks like a.

519
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 4: Little boy, little dark yeah.

520
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this little boy dressing like an adult. It's

521
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: so interesting to me just you can really you can

522
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: really see that like this is cos playing to a degree.

523
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: You know, like this is the first time as many

524
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 3: times as I've like it was in school or my

525
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 3: own reading, like thought about the moments leading up to

526
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: the Puts for sure, and then ultimately to the Nazi war.

527
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: I've never been able to wrap my brain around.

528
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: Besides just deep seated self hate and racism, like how anybody?

529
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: Like why? Like why? Bro?

530
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: Like what do you? What are you doing? Dog? Like

531
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: you don't know? This shit is crazy?

532
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 3: But like this was the first time I ever thought about, Well,

533
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: if you're twenty three and you're meeting these these dudes

534
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: who've been to war, you know, they talk, they talk

535
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: in politics, culture revolution. We're finn overthrow the government, like

536
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: you tell, you tell, you know, twenty one year old

537
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 3: me listening a rage against the machine. We're gonna go

538
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: overthrow the government. Hell yeah, you know what I'm saying.

539
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: So like I've never saw it as like exciting, you

540
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: know what i mean from like a human perspective, you know,

541
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 3: Like I'm just saying, it's like a racism and genocide

542
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: with standing. You know what I'm saying, just the idea

543
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 3: of being like young you twenty three, you kind of

544
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: a dork. You know, you meet these people you interested

545
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: in chemistry, They talking po They every time you have

546
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: an idea, they don't want up to you because they

547
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: don't ban through it.

548
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 4: You got this dude who's been a war, who kills

549
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 4: somebody with a knife.

550
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: It's like, amn, Like, yeah, I'm gonna go to the

551
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: bar with these fools like this the dopest shit ever,

552
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, I never thought about

553
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: it like that until right now.

554
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Like that's I think that's such an important

555
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: point to notice, Like what a chunk of these guys.

556
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: There's the chunk that are the traumatized veterans, you know,

557
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: who are like angry and broken and really good at violence.

558
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: But there's also a huge amount of the fuel is

559
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: guys like Himmler, These kids who are too young to

560
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: fight and desperately want to prove themselves and this is

561
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: their opportunity to feel like the men they idolized and

562
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: the war they missed out on, you.

563
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: Know, and they're cool those dudes. Yeah cool, the dudes

564
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 4: are cool.

565
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: They got and I'm wearing the same uniform they are.

566
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, guys who love going out and dressing

567
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: up it, wearing the body armor and carrying the gun

568
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: and like you know what, running around doing like the

569
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: milicious shit, right because it lets them feel like these

570
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: guys that they never got to be. But they're like, oh,

571
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: if it hadn't have been for you know, my knee

572
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: or whatever, having a kid too young, I would have

573
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: I would have been a great He would have been

574
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: a Navy seal, you know. Yeah. So Himmler's there for

575
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: the push, which does not work out, and it serves

576
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: as his baptism of fire in a way, although he

577
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: is not under fire. He's described you'll run into a

578
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: lot of like kind of casual histories that will be

579
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: like he carries the Nazi flag during the push, and

580
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: that's not really true. There's a famous flag that like

581
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: during you know, at the part of the march when

582
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: they get fired on, is near Hitler and it gets

583
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: like the blood of some of the guys who dies

584
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: on it, and that flag is like sacred to the Nazis, right,

585
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: it's their battle. It's literally the blood of their martyrs

586
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: is on it. Himmler is carrying the flag for Rome's

587
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Freikorps unit, and he is not present for the actual shooting,

588
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: for any of the actual like deadly violence. The whole

589
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: thing falls apart while he is elsewhere. He and his

590
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: brother don't even get arrested, like when they're when the

591
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: authorities come and break up the area where they are,

592
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: where the barricades are, like they're not even worth taking

593
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: into custody because they're just kids, you know, Like the

594
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: cops like just get out of here.

595
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, look listen as as as a

596
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: kid who've been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

597
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: Like sometimes you you real thankful for that cop that's

598
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: like get out of your kid.

599
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: And that's that's that's what happens to Himler. But also

600
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: because he's there, he's now an old fighter, right, he's

601
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: one of the party vanguards. He gets a lot, he

602
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: gets credit. He gets a lot of valor, credit like honestly,

603
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: a lot of stolen valor for like being one of

604
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: the guys who's there, even though he's not there for

605
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: anything like serious. You know, he's just kind of standing

606
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: around awkwardly with a flag in a uniform. Now there

607
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: are consequences for the party. In the immediate wake of

608
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: the failed push, the Nazi Party is banned. Hitler and

609
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: his lieutenants are put in what you'd call the luxury

610
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: prison for his part. Himmler's history with the party makes

611
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: it hard for him to find work, but the event

612
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: also serves to strengthen his ties, especially with Ernst Rome,

613
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: who he visits in prison. In general, his great talent

614
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: in this period is finding men who are he can't

615
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: get to the fewor right. Hitler is unreachable to him,

616
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: but he can find guys who are close to the

617
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: fewer and he can get to them, and that brings

618
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: him closer to the center of the party. And these

619
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: guys really seem to trust him. And so because he's

620
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: out and he's free during this awkward period where the

621
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: Nazi Party's outlawed and a lot of its top people

622
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: are behind bars, Himler is going to be really useful

623
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: to those folks right, because he's able to move freely.

624
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: He's one of the guys who's still on the outside,

625
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: so we can use him. Now. Strausser is also free,

626
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: and because the Nazis are illegal, he helps to create

627
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: a new far right party that's like a front for

628
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: the Nazi Party but not technically the Nazis, and he

629
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: gets elected to the Bavarian Parliament and Himmler becomes basically

630
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: his secretary. After this point, and as Strasser rises and

631
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: rises through the party and takes on more and more duties.

632
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: Himmler takes over his old duties and he starts he's

633
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: helping to He's basically put in charge of building and

634
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: expanding this front party for the NSDAP in bavarias stealthily,

635
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: and he's in charge of propaganda. After a while, he

636
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: writes to a friend in August of nineteen twenty four,

637
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: I have an enormous amount to do. I am in

638
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: charge of organization and expansion of Lower Bavaria at all levels.

639
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: Given all the work, there's never a moment to think

640
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: about finding the time to write a letter. And like,

641
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: I bring this up because he's writing this in a letter, right,

642
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: He's humble bragging like I don't even have time to

643
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: write letters to you anyway, Enjoy the letter, you know,

644
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: like he's trying to he's big leaguing him right, And

645
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: that's a real thing for Heinrich, cause he's always kind

646
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: of bragging about how much he's doing and how important

647
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: he is. He expressed frustration that he was fighting what

648
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: seems to be a losing battle to try and spread

649
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: the Nazi party, you know, during this period of time

650
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: where it's illegal. But he also expresses confidence that the

651
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: seeds that the Vulcush movement was sowing would bloom in

652
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: the end, and he was sadly correct. The volksher Block,

653
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: which is his party, that's this Nazi front group, equals

654
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: the Social Democrats and local Bavarian elections later that year,

655
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 2: that December, Hitler is released from prison and the Nazi

656
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: Party gets unbanned. He's able to reassemble the NSDAP in

657
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty five. He's still banned from public speaking for

658
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: a while, and the ban is a little different in

659
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: each state. It lasts in Bavaria until nineteen twenty seven,

660
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: I think in Prussia until nineteen twenty eight, So he's

661
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: able to speak in certain states but not others for

662
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: a while. And during this period of time where he's

663
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 2: muzzled or partly muzzled, he needs mouthpieces who can travel

664
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: to the places he can't and give speeches in order

665
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: to like draw crowds and build the party. That's how

666
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: they're recruiting is by having these public events. We pay

667
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: for the beer. You come, you showed it up, you

668
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: listen to some guy talk, you joined the party. You

669
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 2: hand him a couple of bucks, right, like that's that's

670
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: and Himmler becomes one of the most reliable speakers, right.

671
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: He sent all around Bavaria recruiting new members at these

672
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: local party gatherings. Yeah. You know who else helped build

673
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: the Nazi party?

674
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 6: Oh jeez, is Christ Robert No, no, sob It might

675
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 6: be I G.

676
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: Farbin. You know it might be uh Hugo Boss. Yeah,

677
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: Hugo Boss advertise on the podcast Hugo Boss. We're not

678
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: like that anymore, this Christ and we're back. Oh yeah.

679
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know how critical Adidas tracksuits

680
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: were to the birth of the Nazi parties.

681
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 4: What were they gonna wear at the beer holes?

682
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. You know, a track suit, that's

683
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: the classic. Oh god, I could go for a tracksuit.

684
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 4: Wow. They're never not right. That's the hard part.

685
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: I know, they got all kind of attachments to them,

686
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: but they're never it's all.

687
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: They're never not the right choice.

688
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: They're never not the right choice. I used to have

689
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: a beautiful one. I got it in Istanbul and it

690
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: was a knockholoys. It set a dotus in trouble.

691
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 4: I love that like cigarettes the whole time.

692
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: It lasted like six weeks. Before it tore apart because

693
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: it was not well stitched. It was perfect, so the

694
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: private Heinrich Himler, a book written with the help of

695
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: Katrina Himmler, which used was based on the letters that

696
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: Heinrich and his wife sent each other over the entire

697
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: course of their marriage, summarizes this period in his career

698
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 2: as he's traveling around Germany giving speeches. Between nineteen twenty

699
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: five and May nineteen twenty six alone, he addressed twenty

700
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: seven different meetings in Lower and Upper Bavaria and another

701
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: twenty in Westphalia, Hamburg, Mecklenburg and Schliceswig, Holes nine and elsewhere.

702
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: In his incessant travel commitments, he was no different from

703
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: other party functionaries. In nineteen twenty five to twenty six,

704
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: Joseph Goebbels was also tirelessly on the road, speaking all

705
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: over Germany and supporting local national Socialist groups. In April

706
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: of nineteen twenty six, Gobels even came to Bavaria on

707
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: a lecture tour in the afternoon with Himmler and Lanshut.

708
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: Goebels noted in his diary on April thirteenth, and he continued,

709
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: Himmler a good fellow, very intelligent. I like him, so again,

710
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: he's really good at getting make it seeming likable and

711
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: non threatening. That's key to these guys who are a

712
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: step or two away from Hitler, and that's how he's

713
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: that's really the key to his success as a good

714
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: hanging time. He's a good hang for certain people who

715
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: are just a little closer than he is to power. Now,

716
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: you'll not be surprised prop to hear that heinrich Himler's

717
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: early years of career success with the Nazi Party did

718
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: not make him any less weird around women. He's really Yeah,

719
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: during this period of time in his early twenties where

720
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: he's starting at the party, he writes a lot of

721
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: really weird shit about women. There's one diary entry, and

722
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: that's why I like that that article by Lowenberg that

723
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: I read to you that like Freudian guy analyzing his

724
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: diary entries. There's a lot of nonsense in there where

725
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: he's like, ah, this is evidence of Himmler's anal fixation

726
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: or a schiz out person, and that's all nonsense. That's

727
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: just like debunked psychiatric bullshit from the last century. But

728
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: it quotes a lot of things that are diary entries

729
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: of his that I that are really really valuable, and

730
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: it talks a lot about his weird issues with women,

731
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: and obviously it draws conclusions about where that those issues

732
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: came from that I don't agree with, but the issues

733
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: themselves are undeniable, and that part is really interesting. And

734
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: one diary entry, Himmler concludes that all women can be

735
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: divided into three groups. The weak mode you prepared myself

736
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: you need to break.

737
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: That's like the blacks sentence where I'm just like, oh God,

738
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: when you say the blacks and the sentence, the sentence

739
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 3: is over, like there's nothing else you could say after that.

740
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: All women fall into three groups, right.

741
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, start you right there? Oh boy, stop you right there? Boy,

742
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: what's you finish say? Is gonna be dumbest ship?

743
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I think your problem is you've met three women exactly.

744
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 4: So what does he say? All women?

745
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: All women can fault can be divided into three groups.

746
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: There's the weak mother, brutal eye, victimized by a brutal father,

747
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: who must be protected. There's the wife comrade, who is

748
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: basically a man, right, this is like a wife who

749
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: can do things. And then there's the goddess or the

750
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: flawless mother as seen by a child in their infancy. Right,

751
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: that's it. That's all women, Heinrich, You really have a

752
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: I have a great understanding. Yeah, oh he would he

753
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: would have you know what, I don't. He wouldn't have

754
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: even started, and he would have fallen for all of them.

755
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: This would be a guy who would streak toither the

756
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: ten grand to join Andrew Tate's inner circle.

757
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, he'd be a part of Yeah.

758
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: He is such a he is very like strong in

759
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: cell vibes coming off of this kid.

760
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 4: He is three. And then there's the goddess.

761
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: But then there's the goddess. The flawless mother is seen yeah,

762
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: by the child in their infancy.

763
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Wendy Peppercorn.

764
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 2: You kind of catch there's because Himler doesn't write about

765
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: his mother much in the diary. He doesn't write about

766
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: his dad being abusive. But from that I kind of think, Okay,

767
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 2: so your dad was probably smacking around your mom as

768
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: a kid and it fucked you up, right, Like, why

769
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: else would that be something you would conclude? Yeah, divide

770
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: like womanhood into those groups. So within days of writing this,

771
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: like a few days after that entry, he quotes his

772
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: maternal grandmother as having given him this advice on picking

773
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: a wife. Quote, one should buy the cow straight out

774
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: of the stall, not young girls who dance around until

775
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: they get a man, that.

776
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 4: Is, grandma.

777
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: Boy, Yeah that's what your grandma.

778
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 4: No, the Jayson.

779
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: You don't want one of them loose women out there

780
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: selling everything you didn't seen everything you don't they didn't

781
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: already been tested.

782
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 4: You don't want that test drive too many time.

783
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: You want to buy that cow right out of the stall.

784
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want a floor model. Now, you don't

785
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: want want any floor model. You want to tell him

786
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: go get it from the back. I want the one

787
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: for the back.

788
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: Okay, awful, thanks Grandma.

789
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: You're not supposed you're supposed to listen to grandma until

790
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: it gets to that.

791
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you gotta cut grandma off. Maybe take

792
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: away jim. Yeah, yeah, you know, okay, Grandma.

793
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: All right, Grandma, like you you need something from the store.

794
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 3: I'm about to go to the store. You only pick

795
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 3: up I got a bounce, Yeah, I pick up your medicine.

796
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 3: I drop off your medicine to night, grandma.

797
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah.

798
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: So he continues to flirt poorly throughout this period. He

799
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: writes about a bunch of crushes that he has, but

800
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: none of them seemed to go anywhere. In letters to

801
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: a friend, he writes of his frustration at the traditional

802
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: engagement period, right this point in time after you're engaged

803
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: to be married, before you get married, which he defines

804
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: as a stagnant time, and which quote the fighting and

805
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: wooing are over. Yet one only possesses a part of

806
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: her spirit and her body not at all a lot

807
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: in that right, I.

808
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: Got got it, but I ca smashed. That's not right.

809
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't get in there yet. Yeah, I only

810
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: have a part of her spirit. I don't own her

811
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: body yet. Now there's no fighting and wooing to do,

812
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: Like we never wooed anyone, Heinrich, Hen even know what

813
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: you're talking about?

814
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, which one third of the women does this work with?

815
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: This will fall into bro now as somebody who I mean,

816
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 3: I was engaged but like an hour and a half,

817
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: like we got married that day. But that being said,

818
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: there's a lot to do during an engagement, Like there's

819
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: a lot going on. You still don't know that woman?

820
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: Ain't nothing wrong with you? Still like getting a notice

821
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: and let me get off myde he's ridiculous as obviously it's.

822
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: One of those things where like he's wrong. How much

823
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: time should we spend pointing out how Heinrich Himmler's wrong about. Yeah,

824
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: like lots of really man, right, right, do we need

825
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: to argue with the dead Nazi? Yeah? So in nineteen

826
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: twenty seven, he finally meets the woman who Wo had

827
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: become his wife and the mother of his some of

828
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: his children, Margas Seagroth. Like sie G r Oth, she

829
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 2: was born Marga Boden on September ninth, eighteen ninety three,

830
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: so she's seven years older than Heinrich, which I find interesting. Wow,

831
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: despite his previous statements about buying a cow straight out

832
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: of the stall, he falls for Marga even though she

833
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: has been married before. Right, I told you she's born

834
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: Marga Boden, And when he meets her, she's Margus Seagroth.

835
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: She has been married before in nineteen twenty and you

836
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: know it didn't work out. And on paper, Marga is

837
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: exactly the kind of worldly, career focused woman that Heinrich

838
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: claimed was not worth settling down with starting in World

839
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: War One. She's a nurse in field hospitals. Right, she

840
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: is closer to the front and combat than heinrich himself.

841
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: She's close enough where there's like a danger of being

842
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: hit by like arrant shells. Right, She's hearing the gunfire

843
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: and the and the artillery, and she's dealing with men

844
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: who have just been pulled off the line after being

845
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: grievously injured. So like she is more of a veteran

846
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: than he is.

847
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: So at this point, now, at this point, I'm like,

848
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: I am grossly uh hypothesizing here, but knowing that about her,

849
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 3: she like, Oh, I see why she like him because

850
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: she could bully his little soft ass y.

851
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: I kind of I wonder because that it doesn't seem

852
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: like that since I don't fully understand the relationship. I'm

853
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: gonna tell you that right now, prop I Other than

854
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: they're both equally, they're both the same kind of racist,

855
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: Like that's actually all we know of it. But yeah,

856
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: well we know a lot. Well, I'll go through it.

857
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: I'm just having trouble for any conclusions, you know.

858
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 3: I just feel like somebody who was pulling bodies out

859
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: of the front line, can soft can can suss out

860
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 3: a yellow belly, right, Like he ain't go be a problem.

861
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe he's not gonna book. Like maybe she's like,

862
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not scamming this guy. But it's like, listen,

863
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be able. I ain't gonna have to be

864
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: this subservient because he ain't got it in it, so I'll.

865
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 4: Be able to live my life.

866
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: You know. I think that is a part of it, because,

867
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: as I'll say, she always she always has a degree

868
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: of autonomy from him. Now, some of that's because he's

869
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: cheating constantly and doesn't want to be around, but she

870
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: gets something out of the bargain too. I don't know,

871
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: it's weird. The relationship is a little hard for me

872
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: to to kind of parse out here. In nineteen twenty three,

873
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: she got a job as the head nurse of a

874
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: private Berlin clinic that has her father part owned. So

875
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: like everyone in the story, she's also a nepo baby.

876
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: She's into homeopathy, right, She's like a homeopathic nurse. She

877
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: likes alternate medicine. Right, she's into like essential RFK junior

878
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: shit exactly. She's so all of these people, none of

879
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: they don't change from century to century. They're always the

880
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: same kind of person. Yeah, Now there's a reason there

881
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: are good reasons why, even though again on paper, this

882
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: is not the kind of woman he had talked about

883
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: wanting to fall for, there's also some very obvious reasons

884
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: why he's drawn to her. She's from the same upper

885
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: middle class strata as him, right, she's socially acceptable, her

886
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: family has money, and she's blonde haired and blue eyed, right,

887
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: which Himmler is not. Right Himler is obsessed with Aryan

888
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: racial theory, and he knows he doesn't match. He knows that,

889
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: like he's not as pure Nordic as he wants to be,

890
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: but she is right, like, she's clearly got the Nordic genes,

891
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 2: as you know, I'm not talking about in actual terms

892
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: of genetic science. That's of course, this is all nonsense.

893
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: But from his perspective, right, she's closer to the ideal

894
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: than he is, and that's a selling point for Himler, Marga,

895
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: and Heinrich meet in September of nineteen twenty seven on

896
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: a train ride from Burke deess Gotten to Munich. Marga

897
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: had been on vacation. Burke de Gotten is the ounta

898
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: in town where Hitler has his eagles Nest retreat, so

899
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: she's there on vacation because it's like a resort town,

900
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: and Heinrich is visiting for work, right because Hitler's there

901
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: a lot of the time, and so like a lot

902
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: of party business gets done there. So on the way

903
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: back they meet and they hit it off. And despite

904
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: her greater life experience, Marga is just as much of

905
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: a fascist as her husband, as this passage from the

906
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: private Heinrich Kimmler summarizes. Because this is kind of this book,

907
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: you can read a lot of their letters to each

908
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: other in their entirety, but it also kind of summarizes

909
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: like a lot of their communications as we know them. Obviously,

910
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: we don't know what they said in private. We just

911
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: know what they wrote each other. But that's a lot

912
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 2: more than you have about most people from this period. Quote.

913
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: They agreed in many areas, for example, their common rejection

914
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: of democracy, their hatred for Das system Berlin, their hatred

915
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: of Jews, whom they labeled Jewish rabble, and their misanthropy

916
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: how false and bad humans are. That's from Marga. They

917
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: were soon dreaming of life in the country together, not

918
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: only because they want to to supplement Himmler's modest party

919
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: salary through their own venture raising animals, and vegetables, but

920
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: also because this corresponded to the Folcish idolization of a

921
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: return to the soil. The beautiful, pure home that they

922
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: wanted to establish was supposed to be a secure castle

923
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: and a place to keep the filth of the outside

924
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: world at bay. So they're both kind of into this

925
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: tradwife bullshit, you know, like they're and Margo's really into this,

926
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: this idea of like, let's escape from the city and

927
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: build ourselves a fortress where we can keep the filth out.

928
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: Other people are awful, you know, Yanity is terrible, good one.

929
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't for the fascism.

930
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 6: Hard relate, right, Like, I'm like, fortress, keep people away.

931
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: I just want to keep people like this away.

932
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, how about you stay Like.

933
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: Fortunately you can't, uh yeah, you have to just deal

934
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: in the world, right. And but like that's what they're both.

935
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: They're both racists, they're both missing thro, they're both fascists.

936
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: You know, that's fundamentally why this relationship works. The very

937
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 2: first letters between the couple have been lost to time,

938
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: but in later letters both alluded to their relationships starting

939
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: with constant, furious arguments, including at least one in which

940
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: they nearly had a fist fight, and we both know

941
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: Margao would have won that. Yeah oh yeah, yeah yeah,

942
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: not a question in my mind. And letters we have

943
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: from November nineteen twenty seven, we get some sense of

944
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 2: what won heinrich over. Marga tells him his constant stomach

945
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: issues are just the result of his heroic workload. She adds,

946
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: one works to be able to pay taxes, at least

947
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: that's fun taxes, and then adds, I read Ludendorf's book

948
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 2: on the Freemasons. The book criticizes the Jews. I find

949
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: that the facts speak volumes. So why all these remarks?

950
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: Life truly offers too many pleasures. So you know, you

951
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 2: get this, like, you know, what's unfair is all the

952
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: taxes I've got to pay. Also, Ludendorf, you know, wrote

953
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: this book. He's right about the Jews, But why's he

954
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: got to spend so many words talking about it? We

955
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: all know they're evil? You know, Like what she really does?

956
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 4: The taxes?

957
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: Right? All right? Nothing is Jane. So we get a

958
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: sense there of the fact that Margot was a Nazi

959
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: way before she actually joined the Nazi Party. You know,

960
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 2: she gets with Himmler before she actually joins the party,

961
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 2: but she's always been one in spirit. The two bonded

962
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 2: over reading the second volume of Mindkomf. We have Heinrich's

963
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: copy of the book, in which he took notes and

964
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: appended marginalia, so we have some idea of what they

965
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: may have discussed. Heinrich underlined a passage about the need

966
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: to stop defective people from breeding. He commented, the potential

967
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: for undoing racial mixing exists. This is always going to

968
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: be a focus of It's like this idea again that

969
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: we have to undo the damage that all this interbreeding

970
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: with poles and whatnot, you know, has done to our race.

971
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: And this is going to be kind of the foundation

972
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: of like how he leads the SS, like it's its

973
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: purpose primarily is to un do the damage of race

974
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: mixing by selective breeding.

975
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, nor does he Yeah, like I never thought about. Again,

976
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 3: another I never thought about is like none, you can't

977
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: you can't talk about this if you don't start at

978
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: like all the like vulks like myth making. Now it

979
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: makes sense because okay, you clearly don't understand your own

980
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: history that like the Germanic tribe Bizarre were race mixing

981
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: and and the Nordics were hundreds of miles away from here,

982
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying, Like that's that's actually

983
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: not y'all. You know, so like even if I mean, granted,

984
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,479
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it with a twenty first century brain

985
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: and obviously we're using these terms very loosely, but like,

986
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 3: what the fuck do you think is an indigenous person?

987
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 3: Is they not peer breeds either, you know what I'm saying?

988
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 3: So like nobody what you Yes, it's not a thing,

989
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say, Like no, like it

990
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: just it depends on where you want to start your timeline.

991
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: Like I mean, like there's Europeans have Neanderthal DNA because

992
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: at some point we were sucking other species human.

993
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 4: Being other species and that's.

994
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: Why we're here. Like that's just Neanderthals. But like the

995
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: fact that like the like the more you breed with

996
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 2: people who are different from you, the better, like immune.

997
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 4: Profiles, immune system works.

998
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: Right, yes, Like that's just we know all this.

999
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so I'm just like this undoing shit. It's

1000
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: just like, oh, it's because you think you're supposed to

1001
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,479
Speaker 3: be this ancient thing you made up.

1002
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: And like it doesn't.

1003
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why the science that you say you read,

1004
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 3: the chemistry you say you read, is that the math

1005
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 3: is a mathing for.

1006
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: You, right, because it's fundamentally nonsense.

1007
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 4: Right.

1008
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: But that's that's going to be his like obsessive goal

1009
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: is we have to undo this damage. And you know,

1010
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: his part in that starts when he marries Marga in

1011
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty eight. As soon as they marry, they buy

1012
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: a chicken farm out in the country. This is consistent

1013
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: with Himmler's stated vulkish back to the land values, but

1014
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: it's also evidence that those values are more a result

1015
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: of this nerdy special interest he has in German mysticism

1016
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: than a real desire to live as a peasant farmer,

1017
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: because he basically never works on that farm. As soon

1018
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: as they set the farm up, Marga starts having kids,

1019
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,479
Speaker 2: and Heinrich is gone. He is on the road all

1020
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: the time working for the Nazi Party, furthering his grand career.

1021
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: Marga not only does she raise the children, but she

1022
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: minds the farm like she keeps this business going, like

1023
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: it's nearly all on her shoulders. Himmler shows up every

1024
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: now and again to help out and check on how

1025
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 2: his kids are doing, but most of his direct relationship

1026
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 2: with their raising and the farms day to day were

1027
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 2: operates is him sending letters to in Front and Marcus

1028
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: sending letters back to him talking about what's going on.

1029
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 4: So she's the uber minch.

1030
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: She she is, like she's the one putting in the

1031
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: lion's share of the work here, right if she's saying

1032
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 2: she's awful, but yeah, she's she's she's closer to the

1033
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: to the area and ideal than Heinrich is.

1034
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, like she actually the pinnacle manhood.

1035
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: Brother, your your wife's the peasant farmer. Like you're walking

1036
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: around in a suit, like talking to people, pretty.

1037
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 3: Boy, just bragging about dragging about being sore after barely

1038
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: working out, like so busy working. I'm sorry, I hadn't

1039
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: didn't have chance to write, man, I'm so sore. I'm

1040
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: so busy, man, shut the shut up the fu.

1041
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty funny. You know what else is funny? Oh?

1042
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: Man? Hearing you read ads sometimes, Yeah, it's pretty funny, man,

1043
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 3: Because I'm like, there's an ad that that Jack does

1044
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 3: shout out Jack, Yeah on the daily Z eye guys

1045
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 3: that Yeah, he reads an ad that I hear all

1046
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: the time about the speed of of a like gaming

1047
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: laptop processor that I'm like, man, you don't know none

1048
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 3: of this ship means.

1049
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 4: It's just so funny. Listen. I was like, you don't

1050
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 4: know what this means, but I feel you get money.

1051
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: No, it's like me reading ads about the NFL. Yeah.

1052
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 4: Uh, I like, you don't know what this ship means.

1053
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: Please give us more money the NFL. Anyway, here's some ads.

1054
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: We're back.

1055
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 4: Boy.

1056
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: I sure do love first downs. I don't know.

1057
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: You just had to remind us you're from Texas for

1058
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: a minute.

1059
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: It is the only sport I know anything about. Yes,

1060
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: I had to play it in high school. It's legally

1061
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 2: required in Texas.

1062
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't graduate, just like we have to know

1063
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: how to recite a full Snoop Dogg song. Yeah, well

1064
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 3: we can graduate high school.

1065
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1066
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: Oh man. So this pattern where Marga does all of

1067
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: the actual hard work and Heinrich then writes essays and

1068
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: gives speeches about how important it is to raise children

1069
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: and have farms. This pat is the pattern for most

1070
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: of their relationship. Heinrich talks about how people should live,

1071
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: and Marga lives that life while he is staying in

1072
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: nice hotels, taking up mistresses, eating at restaurants and doing

1073
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 2: everything but living as a back to the land peasant

1074
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: farmer with his smiling children and aryan bride. Now Marga

1075
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: quits her career to make this life possible, which for

1076
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 2: Heinrich means he's killing two birds with one farm shaped stone.

1077
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 2: You know, she's not out living an independent she like

1078
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: she is very independent, but in the sense that she

1079
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 2: is live, she is maintaining the life that he wants

1080
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: to pretend he's living right.

1081
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 3: Right.

1082
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 2: So, while Himmler had been in prison, Ernst Rome, who

1083
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: got out earlier, had renamed the Banned Essay, turning it

1084
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: into the Front Bond, and expanded it to thirty thousand fighters.

1085
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: Now this is crucial because the Nazi Party in order

1086
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 2: to grow, is going to need these fighters. The fact

1087
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: that they've always got tens and eventually hundreds of thousands

1088
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 2: of men who they're not always armed in the streets

1089
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: with guns, but they have a lot of guns and

1090
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: caches and they're willing to fight. It's a threat potentially

1091
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: to the army. There's enough of the essay at a

1092
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: certain point that the army, which is very limited in size,

1093
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: has to be concerned about the ability of the essay

1094
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: to potentially cause a problem right for the country's government

1095
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: being able to maintain power. So it's very important that

1096
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: Rome is constantly expanding this group, which again is technically

1097
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: not the Essay in this period, but also because the

1098
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: Nazi Party was banned and the Essay was banned and

1099
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: he establishes a separate group during this period of time,

1100
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: it means that this the Front Bond, which is effectively

1101
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 2: the Essay, is separated from the Nazi Party and it's

1102
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: just Rome's There's not a chain of command where Hitler

1103
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: is in charge of these guys during this period, which

1104
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: means that Rome could kind of go into business for

1105
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: himself because he's got the army, so to speak, right,

1106
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: and Hitler Rome is always says he's loyal, right, he

1107
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: always says the right things. But Hitler doesn't trust Rome.

1108
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, you shouldn't.

1109
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: And there's a peer. There's a point where Hitler's like, well,

1110
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: you you know, sign a pledge of loyalty and hand

1111
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: over this organization, basically make it a part of the party,

1112
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: you know, once the party is unbanned, and Rome says no,

1113
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: and he makes up something about like I wanted to.

1114
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: I think it's better if it's you know, independent for

1115
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: this reason or that. But what matters to Hitler is

1116
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: that like Rome has defied him. Now this is an

1117
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: issue between the two, and ultimately it gets resolved when

1118
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: Rome leaves Germany temporarily to take a job Bolivia like

1119
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: hires him to train their armed forces, and Himmler kind

1120
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: of talks to Roman. It's like, I think it's a

1121
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: good idea if you take the job. You know, like

1122
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: Hitler is kind of pissed. You know, this might cool

1123
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: things down for everybody. And so Rome goes off and

1124
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: the Essay is effectively leaderless for a while, which means that,

1125
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: you know, the threat to Hitler declines, but he's still spooked.

1126
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: And the fact that he has this kind of moment

1127
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: of panic where he's like, oh fuck, this guy might

1128
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: actually try to usurp me, and he's the dude with

1129
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: the army. It convinces Hitler that he needs a new

1130
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: Frei Corps, right, a new militant unit that's dedicated and

1131
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: loyal only to him. Right, He specifically once a group

1132
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: that's filled with men who are more disciplined than the

1133
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: Essay men and better at fighting and are ready to

1134
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: quote march against their own brothers if necessary. Geesh, the

1135
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: essay had proven useful obviously, but they were like the

1136
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: Proud Boys today, right, These are not disciplined soldiers. They're

1137
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: drunken louts and reprobates, right. Most a lot of them

1138
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: are addicts. A lot of them are criminals. You know,

1139
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: fucking Horse Wessel, the famous martyr of the essay, who

1140
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: he's a he's a pimp. You know, these guys are

1141
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: are criminals and they're not They're not the kind of

1142
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: criminals because the SS guys are also criminals. But they're

1143
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: the kind of criminals who are like like mob criminals, right,

1144
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: Like they're they're disciplined. They're disciplined, as opposed to the Essay,

1145
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: which are just like the guy on meth who steals

1146
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 2: your car.

1147
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 4: You know.

1148
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah you can't really yeah, you can't really count

1149
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: on them. Yeah, they're just those are just goons.

1150
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can count on to get into street fights,

1151
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: but not to be particularly good at it, and certainly

1152
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: not to be a disciplined army. Right and to make

1153
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 2: matters worse, these the essay, because they're so uncontrolled, they

1154
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: scare the conservatives with money, right, Nobody, none of the people,

1155
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: none of the like wealthy class, trust the Essay because

1156
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: they it seems scarily like the mobs that occasionally, like,

1157
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: you know, overthrow the government and kill all the rich people.

1158
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: You know, like, just because they're technically on your side

1159
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you like the idea of this unaccountable, drunken mob,

1160
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: you know, yea. And all of this is why ultimately

1161
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: Hitler orders the formation of the SS or Staffel. Right,

1162
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: the SS is started not to fight Nazism's enemies, but

1163
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: to fight other Nazis. Specifically, the SS is formed as

1164
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: a counter to the Essay. Now they're also supposed to

1165
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: they're also formed because they're literally a bodyguard for Hitler.

1166
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: He wants a unit of disciplined, reliable fighters who can

1167
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: beat communists in the street, who can guard Nazi party

1168
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: meetings and do so again more effectively and with more

1169
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 2: kind of discipline than the Essay. But more than anything,

1170
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: he wants them to be able to fight the Essay

1171
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 2: off if Rome betrays Hitler, or if someone else in

1172
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: the Essay betrays Hitler. Because there's a lot of Essay

1173
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: leaders and he doesn't trust any of them. The core

1174
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: of the SS is formed out of Hitler Stosstrup or

1175
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: first bodyguard. This is like his initial guards before you know,

1176
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,479
Speaker 2: the party is really formed and it's headed. The first

1177
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: leader of the SS is Julius Shrek, Hitler's chauffeur and

1178
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: chief bodyguard. Shrek was an obvious initial choice and he

1179
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: made some good early decisions that would echo in the

1180
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: organization's future. Members had to be above a certain height.

1181
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: They had to be between twenty three and thirty five

1182
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: years old. So he don't want him too young because

1183
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: those are just hewligans, but they need to be young

1184
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: enough that like they're fit and able to fight effectively,

1185
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: and they have to have two sponsors who vouch for

1186
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: them before they can join two sponsors in the SS.

1187
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 6: I'm picturing like Shrek, Shrek like the ore.

1188
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: That is Disney or DreamWorks. Isn't like talking about it,

1189
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 2: but yes, Shrek got his start leading the SS. That's

1190
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:01,439
Speaker 2: why he was living in that the swamp. That swamp, yeah,

1191
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: because obviously you know, after Nazism fell, he had to

1192
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:06,479
Speaker 2: go into hiding.

1193
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: You're saying Shrek was a Nazi.

1194
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, that's that's uh, that's the change he tried

1195
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 7: to change. That's why he turned GREENID that's right. Yeah,

1196
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 7: he had to change his appearance so that he wouldn't

1197
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 7: get he would.

1198
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: And then Donkey made him woke.

1199
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 4: Then Donkey made him woke. He made a black friend,

1200
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 4: you know.

1201
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, is one of my favorite animated characters.

1202
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: They had to leave out the movie where Donkey figures

1203
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: out that Shrek had been a Nazi and they had

1204
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: a serious conversation.

1205
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 3: Conversation, Oh my god, yeah, Shrek, one more thing, let

1206
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 3: me ask you this real quick.

1207
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 2: Oh man, sponsor us, Yeah, dreamwork spots. We could do

1208
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 2: the new ads for the new Shrek movie. Shrek, He's

1209
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: not a Nazi anymore anymore.

1210
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: Reform sund us your money.

1211
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Leaves the stops being leader of the SS in

1212
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: April of nineteen twenty six, so he's just there for

1213
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: about a year. And you know what he does does

1214
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: kind of set up the future of the unit. It's

1215
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: going to be small, but it's going to be elite, right,

1216
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 2: It's going to be big guys who are tough and

1217
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: who know each other and so like they're tight and

1218
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 2: they have like they have like you know, they have

1219
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: a stronger bond. It's not this anonymous mob of like

1220
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: drunken rabble. These guys are going to hold together better

1221
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: in like a combat situation. Whence Julius leaves, he hands

1222
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 2: over control to Joseph burke Told, who's a former Essay

1223
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: man who'd handled security during the push, which, given that

1224
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: the push doesn't go well, you might be like, well,

1225
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 2: why is this guy?

1226
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 4: He was?

1227
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: He fucked up? Is one job. But burke Told is

1228
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: given the title Reichsfewer SS, which is, you know, leader

1229
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 2: of the SS. He's the first man to actually hold

1230
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: that title. And this is where the SS starts, like

1231
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: the birth of their kind of distinctive all black uniforms.

1232
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: At first, it's just that they have black ties to

1233
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: differentiate them from the Essays brown ties. And you know,

1234
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 2: over time this is going to evolve into the you know,

1235
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 2: Hugo Boss all black uniforms that we all know today,

1236
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: but it just starts with the tie. Burke Told's main

1237
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: accomplishment during his brief period is reichsphere SS is to

1238
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: stop the SS from being absorbed into the Essay entirely

1239
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: when that organization is readmitted to the Nazi Party. Right like,

1240
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 2: there's an attempt from Rome to just make the ssa

1241
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 2: unit in the essay, and Broke told Stops that he

1242
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: resigns in nineteen twenty seven, and he's replaced by another

1243
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 2: guy who doubles down on the SS remaining ultra exclusive

1244
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: and elite. But this guy's really bad at his job,

1245
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: you know, like he tries to really focus on restricting

1246
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 2: even further who can join, and this helps means that

1247
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: the SS membership declines from its height of around one

1248
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: thousand to just a couple of one hundred people in

1249
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty eight. And it's during this period of time

1250
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: when the SS is sort of like bleeding members and

1251
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 2: it looks like it's about to die out, like this

1252
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 2: was kind of a failed experiment and eventually is just

1253
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 2: going to be absorbed back into the essay, it's during

1254
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: this time that Heinrich Himmler is admitted to the organization. Now,

1255
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: Heinrich had joined because the SS needed men and he

1256
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: was not like a threatening guy, right, Like nobody the

1257
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 2: dude running the essays at this point doesn't consider him

1258
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: to be like a rival for power, and Himmler likes

1259
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 2: the idea that it's exclusive, that like, oh, if I

1260
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 2: join this, people will think that I'm one of the elite.

1261
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 3: Okay, Right, So he's a member of the Nazi Party.

1262
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 3: He's just not a member of the SS at.

1263
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 2: This yes, yeah, and he becomes one in nineteen twenty eight. Right,

1264
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 2: you join the Nazi Party and then you join the SS.

1265
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: And Himmler he gets into the Again, he's not physically

1266
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 2: he doesn't kind of match the strong requirements they're supposed

1267
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 2: to have. But he's someone who there's a lot of

1268
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 2: buzz about. He's doing a lot of very important jobs.

1269
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: He's like liked by a lot of high ranking people

1270
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: in the party, so he's got clout and he just

1271
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like someone who could do any who could

1272
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 2: like be a threat to your power. Yeah, but that's

1273
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 2: a mistake because as soon as he gets admitted, Hitler

1274
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: rats on his bots. The leader of the SS to

1275
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 2: Hitler and it's like, hey, you're the guy who's running

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Speaker 2: your bodyguard. His Taylor is Jewish. He's got a Jewish

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Speaker 2: guy Taylor in his SS uniform, and so Hitler shit

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Speaker 2: cans the reichsphere of the SS. And that's how Himmler

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Speaker 2: gets the job running the SS.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Hitches, Yes, look, you ain't here for me.

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Speaker 4: But home, he got home. He got a snow Bundy

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Speaker 4: over there.

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Speaker 2: He's run on the SS. He's got a Jewish guy

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Speaker 2: him and his pants.

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Speaker 4: Like, man, look me, I'm not in charge.

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Speaker 2: I'm not in charge.

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Speaker 4: But if it was me, I would look into that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be doing it that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think you know, when you when

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Speaker 3: you know you can't really you can't go head up

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Speaker 3: with none of them people.

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Speaker 4: You got to figure out other ways to defeat.

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Speaker 3: Them, you know what I'm saying. You know, he's like,

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Speaker 3: you're not gonna fight him? Yeah, you know, like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna outsmart you.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and uh it works. So yeah, heidenrach Kimler at

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Speaker 2: this point has now become the reichsphere of the SS.

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Speaker 2: He is leading the organization and he will continue to

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Speaker 2: lead it for the remainder of his and its life.

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Speaker 2: And we will talk about what he does now that

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Speaker 2: he's in power later. But first, prop you're gonna plug

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Speaker 2: some pluggables.

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Speaker 3: I would love to plug pluggables, Like I said, the

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Speaker 3: terraform co brew is back, the website is up. Praise

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Speaker 3: be we are ready to share the good drink. The

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Speaker 3: politics will prop. We got two drops a week. This

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Speaker 3: time we got the main show on Wednesday and then

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Speaker 3: the tap in on Friday.

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Speaker 4: A little shorter.

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Speaker 1: I love the tappens.

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Speaker 4: The tap ins are fun, man, So those are.

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Speaker 1: It's a great format for you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Sophie.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, and then follow me on all the socials.

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Speaker 1: The prop whoever whoever suggested that happened was a genius.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, look in a mirror, Sophie, look.

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Speaker 4: Boss clean.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm in pain, so I'm just being nice to myself.

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Speaker 4: You should be not in pain. You should be nice

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Speaker 4: to yourself.

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Speaker 1: Robert, Robert, can I get a compliment on the way out?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Uh, you're the best. Uh yeah, you're the best.

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Speaker 2: And fuck your pain. Pain is awful. I hate it,

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Speaker 2: but I don't hate is you the listener? I only

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Speaker 2: hate some of you, and I'll never tell you which

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Speaker 2: ones you are, but.

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Speaker 1: I know mm hmm.

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