1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics. Well, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: we discussed the top political headlines with some of today's 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: best minds. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: Matt and Meg is now hashtagging fifty first state when 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: referring to Canada. We have such a great show for 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: you today. The Washington Post Dana Millbank stops by to 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: talk the obvious turmoil beginning as Trump takes office. Then 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: we'll talk to Massachusetts Attorney General Andrea Campbell about how 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: ags can protect citizens from Trump's aggressions. But first the news. So, Mali, 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: I don't know how mister Trump does it, but somehow 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: I'm feeling sympathy for Liz Cheney, and I don't like 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: feeling sympathy for Liz Cheney. What are you seeing happening here? 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 3: What's about to happen is really quite scary and terrible. 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: Trump has set up a situation where his people, and 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: this is Barry Laudermilk, who you may remember from the 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: in s Embomama January sixth, represented Laudermil is trying to 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: set up a retribution trial for Liz Cheney for her 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: trying to. 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 4: Keep the rule of law going. What this is is 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 4: it will be a show trial if it's allowed to happen, 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 4: which it very well might, it will be the beginning 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 4: of undermining all of a rule of law. It will 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: flout democratic norms. It will be truly terrifying, and it 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 4: will be the beginning. It is appalling. We have had 25 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 4: other times in our country that have been this dark. 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 4: But it is just a shocking development. And it's shocking 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 4: but is not surprising. Like so many things we're going 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 4: to see in Trump world, he has people who are 29 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 4: willing to do the unthinkable to protect him, change the 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 4: rule of law around create fake You know, Liz Chaney's 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: crime would be holding Donald Trump accountable for January sixth, 32 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 4: That would be the crime she would be standing trial for. 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: And if you think about this, it is truly terrifying circumstance. 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 4: Now again, it's Trump, so nobody knows if any of 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: this will actually happen, and it's Loud or Milk who again, 36 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 4: you know, none of these people are known as people 37 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: who have their word being their bond. But it still 38 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 4: is truly just terrifying development. Last night, Connecticut Senator Chris 39 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: Murphy who did about XD about how it's just you know, 40 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 4: this is the thing we want to protect norms and institutions, right, 41 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: we want them to survive the four years of Trump. 42 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 4: If we start the Trump's second administration, which showed childs 43 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: of his political enemies, that is setting us up to 44 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 4: go someplace really dark. So look, there are still people 45 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 4: who know right from wrong in that administration. The question 46 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 4: is will they stop him? And the answer is none 47 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: of us. 48 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I'm hoping that this is about as serious 49 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: as the imagery I get when I say mister Louderbook's 50 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: last name. So, the curvy couch of Fox and Friends 51 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: hosted Speaker of the House Mike Johnson today, and there's 52 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: this big fight over the cr and the budget. Mally, 53 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: I want you to react to the ininsanity that when 54 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: they discussed it with mister Johnson. 55 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 5: Well, and this is breaking you news you do not know. 56 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 5: You know who also does not like this. Elon musk 57 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 5: the world's sitches man, just tweeted this bill should not pass. 58 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 5: The only way you're going to be able to pass 59 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 5: it now, mister Speaker, it is with Democrats if you could. 60 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 5: What's your message to Elon Musk? 61 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 6: Well? 62 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 7: I was communicated with Elon last night. Elon and Vivek 63 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 7: and I are on a text chain together and I 64 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 7: was explaining to them the background of this, and the 65 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 7: Veke and I talked last night about almost midnight and 66 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 7: he said, look, I get it. He said, we understand 67 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 7: you're in an impossible position. Everybody knows that. Remember, guys, 68 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 7: we still have just a razor thin margin of Republicans, 69 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 7: so any bill has to have Democrat votes. They understand 70 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 7: the situation. They said, it's not directed to you, mister speaker, 71 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 7: but we don't like the spending. I said, guess what, Fellas, 72 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 7: I don't either. We got to get this done, because 73 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 7: here's the key. By doing this, we are clearing the decks, 74 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 7: and we are setting up for Trump to come in 75 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 7: rowing back with the America First agenda. That's what we're 76 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 7: going to run with Gusto beginning January third. 77 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 4: So later on during the day, we've seen Elon just 78 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 4: endlessly tweeting against this, saying it should not pass a 79 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 4: vague two. Look, Mike Johnson is not some gifted politician. 80 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 4: He's not Paul Ryan tape. Not that Paul Ryan was 81 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 4: so great, but Paul Ryan at least sort of knew 82 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 4: how to do stuff. Johnson is really not so good 83 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: at this He just became speaker in the middle of 84 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 4: the last Congress. He is he was like the tenth choice, 85 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: you know, when nobody else would do it. So he 86 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 4: has a very small majority, and he has Elon going 87 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 4: around tweeting about how it shouldn't be passed and how 88 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 4: they should keep the government shut down till January twentieth. 89 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 4: This would mean that the government would not be funded 90 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: for Trump's inauguration. That would mean that the government would 91 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 4: not be funded for the whole month of January. That 92 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 4: would mean disability checks, that would mean welfare, that would 93 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 4: mean everything from all not probably all non essential government 94 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 4: funding would be shut down. It would be bad for Trump, 95 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 4: it would be bad for the United States economy, and 96 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 4: also it would just be an insane way to do things. 97 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 4: I mean, this is the thing. Elon is threatening all 98 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 4: of these members and trying to get them not to 99 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 4: go for this bill. By the way, Mike Johnson hasn't 100 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 4: passed anything without Democratic votes this entire time, So I 101 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 4: don't know how they think that this is going to work. 102 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 4: And it's just a totally insane thing to do. And 103 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: they don't even have control of the government and they're 104 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 4: trying to shut it down already, so I think it's untenable. 105 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 4: But it does not portend for good things. 106 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, just to give people the idea of the things 107 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: that Elon's tweeting, He's writing yes to a tweet that says, this, 108 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: just close down the government until January twentieth, defund everything. 109 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: We'll be fine for thirty three days. And it just 110 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: really shows the ignorance of all the people that are around. 111 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: But yet everybody's calling this guy co president. 112 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: Now, well, I don't know how much power Trump has, right, 113 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 4: because Elon is the richest man in the world, and 114 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 4: he can primarily anyone, and he can do anything, and 115 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 4: he has sixty percent of the satellites over this country. 116 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 4: He owns eggs, he owns this, he owns that. So 117 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: but it's setting up Elon and the federal government on 118 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 4: a collision course, which you know, maybe again we don't. 119 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 4: We're not used to the reality of Trump LUs Elon. Right, 120 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 4: We've always sart of Trump as the really irrational actor. 121 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 4: Now we have someone who is even louder and even 122 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 4: more irrational acting and even more powerful, right because Trump 123 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 4: just is president. Elon is now ational security actor, owns 124 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 4: the biggest media platform in a way and is also 125 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: just you know, a rational in a way that even 126 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: Donald Trump is not. And then of course everyone is 127 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 4: addicted to social media. So I mean, what's interesting about it. 128 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 4: It's all bad and scary, but what's interesting about it is, 129 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 4: you know, it will show us a little bit of 130 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 4: how this is going to go when Trump gets in 131 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 4: all of this. 132 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: SAMAI I have a unexpected pot twist for you here. 133 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: Usually those are terrible, but the House is going to 134 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: release the ethics report on Matt Gates as soon as Thursday, which, uh, well, 135 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 2: can't wait to read that one. 136 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm surprised that they were going to 137 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 4: release it, especially because I just didn't think they would. 138 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 4: But it sounds like they are going to Matt Gates 139 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 4: is not going to be happy. Remember mac Gates left 140 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 4: Congress to prevent this from being released, so I don't, 141 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 4: you know, I guess that we'll read it. I'm sure 142 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 4: it's pretty gory because he did leave Congress to keep 143 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 4: it from being released, and I'm shocked that the House 144 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 4: is doing that. But you know, I guess if it's 145 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: not Donald Trump, then people get to read about it 146 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 4: that we'll say. I mean, Look, you know, it's worth 147 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 4: remembering that the reason that Magat's is in this situation 148 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 4: is because he made a lot of people in the 149 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 4: United States Congress very very angry. And it's a good 150 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: example of how even though Congress is supposedly a governing body, 151 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 4: it really does still you know, if people are your friends, 152 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 4: you do nice things for them. Would by the way, 153 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 4: I think that's a terrible way to run the government. 154 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 4: But I'm just saying that's clearly what we're watching here. 155 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: It sounds like the theme of the week here when 156 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: we've been doing this has been it pays to be 157 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: popular in Congress. 158 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 159 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: Dana Millbank is a columnist the Washington Post and the 160 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: author of Fools on the Hill, The Hooligan, Salvator's Conspiracy Theorists, 161 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: and Dunsays who burned Down the House. 162 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Stay in a Millbank. 163 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 8: Thank you, Molly. It's boys a joy. 164 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 9: I'm such a fan of yours. 165 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: I really am, and I don't even I sometimes say 166 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: that and I'm not about the person, but I really 167 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: actually am. 168 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate that. 169 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 8: Can you tell me some of the people you've said 170 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 8: about that you. 171 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 9: Don't Yes, let's do that. We'll do that in the 172 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 9: show notes. 173 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm excited about Mike Johnson and the CR because, my man, guy, 174 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: he's got some problems discuss. 175 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you want to almost say, poor guy. 176 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 4: But of course he. 177 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 8: Does this to himself. But like this was the this 178 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 8: was the easy one, This was the left of just 179 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 8: like this was just sort of incrementally punting things into March, 180 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 8: when he's going to have an even slimmer majority and 181 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 8: when they actually want to do unpopular things. So this 182 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 8: is him doing a short term punt full of things 183 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 8: that you know are actually politically popular to do, you know, 184 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 8: disaster relief and whatever else. And it looks like, I mean, okay, 185 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 8: they'll get it through, but you know, with a lot 186 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 8: of Democratic votes. So not only has he pissed off 187 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 8: the Freedom Caucus, he's pissed off sort of ordinary you know, 188 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 8: to the extent there are such things as mainstream republic ends. 189 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 8: It's not clear whether he can get it through the 190 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 8: House with a rule or if he has to suspend 191 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 8: the rules or if he has to break his own 192 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 8: rule for the seventy two hour thing. And I think 193 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 8: all of this gets at like Democrats are down and out. 194 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 8: At the moment, the left is feeling sort of thoroughly defeated. 195 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 8: But I don't think people appreciate the extent to which 196 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 8: Trump is going to be inaugurated and then go through 197 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 8: a series of pratfalls. 198 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 9: It's like he did in season one. 199 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. 200 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 8: And you can say, well, he's more prepared this time, 201 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 8: but I don't know. I mean, he's used that preparation 202 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 8: to be like more vindictive this time, or he's going to, 203 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 8: you know, try to do more ambitious things. But I 204 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 8: just like, look at these guys, you know, and this 205 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 8: is with a more size I said, a more sizable majority. 206 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 8: They just can't walk and chew gum. And I you know, 207 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 8: just the expectations are absurd that you know, they've set 208 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 8: this up like, oh, the doge is going to come 209 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 8: in and cut two trillion dollars you will spending. 210 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 10: It's not going to happen. 211 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 8: You know, he's and he's already sort of walked away 212 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 8: from I don't know, everything from like trans bathrooms. Oh, 213 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 8: I don't care about that stuff. 214 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 4: It's not that many people. 215 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 8: You know, they're rounding up twenty million people. Oh wow, 216 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 8: you know, we're not going to have any major police actions, 217 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 8: you know. I mean it's you can already see all 218 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 8: the backtracking beginning, and then I think he's gonna, you know, 219 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 8: be whip sawed by the incompetent House of Representatives. 220 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they really are sort of staggeringly incompetent, and 221 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: I want to take a moment to talk about that, 222 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: but I also want to talk about this tension. So 223 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: you had Elon very mad about the CR. 224 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 9: You had vague. 225 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: You have a group here that's learning how the federal 226 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: government works in real time discuss. 227 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know, as I think we've discussed before, 228 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 8: You've got Elon, or more accurately, Elon's mother out there 229 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 8: saying it's actually going to be easy. Got two trillion 230 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 8: dollars of federal spending. But what Elon and Vivek are seeing, 231 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 8: as you point out, is a real time education. On Tuesday, 232 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 8: I guess it was the Doge Caucus in the House. 233 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 8: You know what, do they have sixty people get together 234 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 8: and talk about how much they really want to cut 235 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 8: government spending and then a few hours later the CR 236 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 8: comes out, which buss government spending in all kinds of ways. 237 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 8: Put out there by Mike Johnson and the Republican leadership, 238 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 8: And yeah, it has democratic priorities in it. That's because 239 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 8: the Republicans can't pass anything. If they could pass it 240 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 8: with their own votes, they don't have to listen to 241 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 8: the Democrats at all, but they can't pass anything. So 242 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 8: and this is at a point when Trump is at 243 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 8: sort of his maximum power in the sense that you know, 244 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 8: he's claiming a mandate, a mandate that doesn't actually exist. 245 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 8: But this is the moment when he's theoretically at his strongest. 246 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 8: And I just think you're saying, you know, it's not 247 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 8: the doze that captures political reality, it's this fiasco with 248 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 8: the cr Nothing has change. 249 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 9: I mean, that's a really good point. 250 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: I also think there are so many different promises that 251 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: are made to so many different people because in the end, 252 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: none of this, Like he got elected on this idea 253 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: that he was going to make things cheaper. There's no 254 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: way to make things cheaper except price caps, which you know, 255 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: people don't want to do because they feel like or 256 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: at least Republicans don't want to do it because they 257 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: feel it's anti capitalized. 258 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, but this whole notion that we're going to make 259 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 8: prices go down, like okay, you know, gasoline prices go 260 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 8: up and down and that sort of thing are for 261 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 8: isolated food products. But the whole thing is you don't 262 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 8: want prices to go down. You don't want defla because 263 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 8: then you're in the nineteen thirties. You know, that's a 264 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 8: much bigger problem than inflation. People don't even realize what 265 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 8: they're asking for in this case. I mean, what you 266 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 8: want after about of inflation is to calm inflation down, 267 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 8: but have wages continue to go up. That would be ideal, 268 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 8: so that you know, earning's power goes up. It's not 269 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 8: about you know, you know, decreasing the nominal prices. That doesn't, 270 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 8: That doesn't. That's not going to help anything. It's going 271 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 8: to set us into an even worse cycle. 272 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're really it does really feel like we 273 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: are in peak stupid. 274 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 9: Talk to me about the we have. 275 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's still going to be once after the holidays, 276 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: Trump will still not be inaugurated for another or you know, 277 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: practically three weeks, and then he will have these cabinet fights, 278 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: which are going to really set up Republicans because it's 279 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: not like there's one objectionable candidate for the cabinet. There's 280 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: like about four that are really norms crushers. 281 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you're being conservative in math, but yeah, 282 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 8: I could. I think the four you're probably talking about, Yeah, 283 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 8: I mean, you know, my bet is that most, if 284 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 8: not all of them go through because I think the 285 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 8: Senate Republicans will buckle under the pressure. And you've seen 286 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 8: a lot of that already. That doesn't mean though, that 287 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 8: it won't be embarrassing because you know, all these things 288 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 8: that have been you know, people are blaming the press 289 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 8: for bringing up it's you know, people will actually see 290 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 8: it on their TV screens to the extent anybody's you know, 291 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 8: following the news or watching things. But you know, some 292 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 8: of that's going to bubble up and it's you know, 293 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 8: it's a lot about drinking and the sexual abuse and 294 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 8: a lot of crazy stuff. So I don't know how 295 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 8: much of that filters out there. I think what the 296 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 8: Democrats need to do is pick one or two to 297 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 8: really make their case, not that they're necessarily going to 298 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 8: stop them, but to really you know, try to focus 299 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 8: to the extent they can. 300 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 9: Who would you pick if it were you, well. 301 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 8: I mean, heg Seth is the most egregious, I suppose 302 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 8: in terms of his personal behavior and his extravagant lack 303 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 8: of experience of competence in the required field, although his 304 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 8: mother says that being a Fox News post is excellent 305 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 8: preparation a three million person organization. But then, you know, 306 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,479 Speaker 8: I mean Tulci Gabbard, I mean, do people actually appreciate 307 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 8: just how zany she is? And you know, and a 308 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 8: lot of Republicans are going to squirm about her on 309 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 8: Russia and Syria and everything else. So I mean that 310 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 8: would be mine, you know. And then you know, RFK Junior, 311 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 8: that's just that's just nutty heck. But I don't know 312 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 8: that one's confusing because I'm glad he doesn't want it. 313 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 8: He wants us to get rid of pesticides. I mean, 314 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 8: he's not ole nuts. 315 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: Right now, some of this stuff makes sense, which is 316 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: probably even more worrying, right I guess. 317 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 8: So it's bizarre that we have to say this, but 318 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 8: Trump comes out in favor of the polio. 319 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 9: Scene, which is a huge victory. 320 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 8: For raises the fine work Jonah Salk has been doing, 321 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 8: getting recognized more and more of these days. 322 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 9: We laugh to keep from crying. 323 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 8: But so this passes for news But okay, the polio 324 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 8: vaccine is safe. But okay, if he wants to reduce 325 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 8: the standards for fluoride and war, if that might not 326 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 8: be such a bad idea. Definitely good to get rid 327 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 8: of pesticides, eliminating childhood vaccines, which would fill thousands or 328 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 8: millions of kids less attractive. 329 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: I mean, there is this question about just how much 330 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: you could do to the American people before they notice. 331 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, But Molly, I wonder do you really think 332 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 8: any of this is going to happen. I mean, yes, 333 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 8: certainly he's going to do some things. They're going to 334 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 8: be outrageous and bad. But you know, as we were 335 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 8: discussing him all and ago, I'm just not sure how 336 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 8: much of this he's going to be able to do 337 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,479 Speaker 8: and how much of it is just noise. Like my 338 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 8: thinking with Trump is what I worry about is why 339 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 8: he's going to do that he hasn't said. I'm not 340 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 8: so much worried. 341 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 3: You know. 342 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 8: It's like, oh, he said he's going to deport twenty 343 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 8: million people. I'm not really worried about that because I 344 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 8: don't think that's even possible to do. He's going to 345 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 8: start a trade war with Tarris. Well, our experience on 346 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 8: that is the only thing Donald Trump cares about more 347 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 8: than Donald Trump is the stock market. So I don't, 348 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 8: you know, yeah, I could, you know, could be wrong 349 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 8: and surprise, but I don't think he's going to start 350 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 8: a trade war. My worry about Trump is he even 351 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 8: he doesn't know what he's going to do. So it's 352 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 8: sort of the impulse and the chaos that I think 353 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 8: the country has to fear more than like there's some 354 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 8: explicit agenda that he's going to push through Congress, because 355 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 8: I don't think he's pushing any agenda through Congress. 356 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: This is the big question, right And remember when Trump ran, 357 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: one of the big problems was that voters were like, 358 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: he's not going to actually do any of this stuff. 359 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 9: He's just saying it. 360 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: And there was a real disconnection between you know, a 361 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: normal candidate people take literally and again it runs back 362 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: to this idea that you should take Trump theoretically and 363 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: not literally or spiritually and not teutonically. I mean, but 364 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: the reality is we're still giving a person who is 365 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: at best very nutty the nuclear codes. 366 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 8: No, right, absolutely, And I'm not saying that he doesn't 367 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 8: want to do or he's not even going to try 368 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 8: to do the things that he talked about doing, So 369 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 8: I think we should take him seriously, and we should 370 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 8: take him literally. What I'm saying is he's not going 371 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 8: to be able to do. 372 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 9: This stuff right right, And that's the big question is 373 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 9: will he. 374 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he's just going to run into one 375 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 8: buzzsaw after another. 376 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 9: And that is basically the hope. 377 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 8: That would be ideal, Or he'd recognize that he's going 378 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 8: to run into a buzzsaw and he'd just pull back 379 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 8: from it, which I think is what they're already doing 380 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 8: on the mass deportation. You see them tiptoeing back from that, 381 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 8: tiptoeing back on you know, what's he going to do 382 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 8: with prices? For a guy who does like to exercise. 383 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 8: He's doing a whole lot of walking back. 384 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: For a guy who doesn't like to exercise. There are 385 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: some new members of the Senate coming in. Some of 386 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: them are really, like Doug Mastriano, pretty wacky. 387 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 9: Can we talk about that? 388 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 8: I think my real question with the Senate is are 389 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 8: they going to toss the filibuster? And I still kind 390 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 8: of suspect that they will if it's in their interest, 391 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 8: Like if they can actually get something through the House. 392 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 8: You know that they couldn't get through reconciliation when you 393 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 8: only need fifty votes in the Senate. So I think 394 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 8: they will do it if it serves their interests. But 395 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 8: you know, I don't think you're going to see much 396 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 8: of a change in the nature of the Senate. You know. Yes, 397 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 8: you've got a few more Maga type who have come 398 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 8: in and built up sort of the Rick Scott, Cruz 399 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 8: Holly wing of the party. But John Thune is as 400 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 8: mainstream as they come, you know, a solid guy. You've 401 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 8: got Curtis and Utah. I mean there will there will 402 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 8: be others coming in, you know, who can take the 403 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 8: place of the Romneys. You know, who knows what's going 404 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 8: to happen with Mitch McConnell. Maybe he'll finally grow a 405 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 8: pair now that you know he doesn't have anything to lose. 406 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 8: I'm not betting on it, but it's possible, you know. 407 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 8: I don't think the Senate is going to go a 408 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 8: wholesale maga. I think the action is going to continue 409 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 8: to be in the House, and if somehow, with his 410 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 8: one vote majority, Mike Johnson can get a major legislation 411 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 8: through the House. Well, then maybe the Senate scraps the 412 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 8: filibuster and things change, But I think the place to 413 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 8: watch is the House still. 414 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're just going to have a tough 415 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: time legislating. They're already having a tough time legislating. It 416 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: strikes me that the play here is not so much 417 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: legislation but trying to neecap the federal government as much 418 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: as possible through executive orders, yes. 419 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 8: Or disapproving of regulations, that sort of thing. So yeah, 420 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 8: I mean, and that we saw a lot of that 421 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 8: during the first Trump term. 422 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 423 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 8: I mean, I don't want any of what I'm saying 424 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 8: here to sound like, oh, everything's going to be fine. 425 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 8: I don't think everything's going to be I don't think 426 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 8: everything's going to be fine at all. I just think 427 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 8: this is probably the high water mark for. 428 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 9: Trump approval wise for sure. 429 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 8: Well. Yeah, and in terms of his power, I just 430 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 8: don't think he has the ability. Okay, we're talking legislatively, Yes, 431 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 8: of course, he's going to have four years of naming judges. 432 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 8: They're going to have four years of taking wax at 433 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 8: all kinds of regulations. Regulations change depending on the administration. 434 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 8: So I mean legislation is where you know fundamental long 435 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 8: term change will take place. So what can be done 436 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 8: by executive order can be undone by executive order, right. 437 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: And that is a really good point, and that is 438 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: for sure, definitely true. That's the real case of what 439 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: we're going to see here. People are mad about incumbents. 440 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: They were headwinds that were real. I mean part of 441 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: what happened to this election. I mean, any number of 442 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: things happened, but some of it was this reade towards incumbent. 443 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: In the UK, what happened was the Conservative government was 444 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: finally voted out. They voted in a Liberal and they 445 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: became immediately furious with him for any number of reasons, 446 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: real and imagined. Do you think that's what happens here. 447 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 8: Well, maybe not exactly the same thing, but look, I 448 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 8: think what you're seeing happening all over the place. Now 449 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 8: look the government's teetering in Germany, in France, and now 450 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 8: in Canada. For anybody who thinks there's something exceptional that 451 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 8: had happened here, that this is some widespread endorsement of 452 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 8: MAGA policies, you've got to understand that this is in 453 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 8: a high inflation environment. Voters are unhappy and have turned 454 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 8: against whoever is in power. And yes, they are going 455 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 8: to continue to turn against whoever is in power because 456 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 8: nobody's actually addressing, you know, sort of the fundamental root 457 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 8: of the problem, and that is, you know, as I 458 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 8: think we've discussed before that you know, the workers are 459 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 8: losing ground. Trump exploited that, and now he's going to 460 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 8: reward those who voted for him by seeking, you know, 461 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 8: bigger tax cuts for billionaires. 462 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 9: It seems like the tax cuts are likely going to 463 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 9: be the first thing that he does. 464 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, it seems to be. I mean, they have to 465 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 8: take action on them before they lapse. I mean that's 466 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 8: probably the area where you can get the most agreement on. 467 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 8: But I don't know Art you know so, I mean, 468 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 8: so the very first thing they're going to do is 469 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 8: blow blow another a couple of trillion dollar hole in 470 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 8: the budget and add that to the federal debt. So 471 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 8: extra work for Doge. 472 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 9: In the new year. Dana Melbank, will you come back 473 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 9: and talk to me. 474 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 8: I am very happy to talk to you. It sure 475 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 8: beats work on Molly. 476 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: Andrea Campbell is the attorney general in Massachusetts from Too 477 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: Fast Politics. 478 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 10: Andrea, thank you for having me. I'm delighted to be on. 479 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: You are the attorney general of the state of Massachusetts. 480 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: Probably we are about to head into one of the 481 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: most important moments in American life or Democratic attorneys general. 482 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 10: Yes, I would agree, And you know the last time. 483 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 6: It's not lost to me that the last time we connected, 484 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 6: we were talking about gun violence. And of course we've 485 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 6: had our horrific our school based shooting in Wisconsin, so 486 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 6: we still have work to do in that space, along 487 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 6: with an administration that is already speaking to some horrific 488 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 6: things and actions they may do come January. And I 489 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 6: want folks to know that we're prepared and we're going 490 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 6: to continue to fight not just in Massachusetts but across 491 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 6: state lines for the civil rights, our rule of law 492 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 6: to protect them. 493 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, how can you do that? How will you do that? 494 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 10: A whole host of ways. 495 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 6: One is I feel blessed to work in an office 496 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 6: where I have institutional knowledge of lawyers and staff who 497 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 6: were here for Trump one point zero and then new 498 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 6: lawyers and staff were ready to roll up their sleeves 499 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 6: and get creative and think outside the box. And that 500 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 6: means going into court and using our litigation tools to 501 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 6: file lawsuits at times against the federal government if they're 502 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 6: pushing forward policies that would threaten with civil liberties and 503 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 6: civil rights of our constituents. It also may mean that 504 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 6: we have to fill devoid for actions that they decide 505 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 6: not to take any more, including in the consumer protection 506 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 6: context or on issues of gun violence or reproductive justice, 507 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 6: where many of these issues may be pushed to the 508 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 6: states to address because the federal government chooses. 509 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 10: Not to step up. So it's twofold, but I cannot 510 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 10: discount that our litigation tools are effective and powerful. 511 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 6: This office has used them in the past to protect 512 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 6: access to student loan relief, access to reproductive rights, to 513 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 6: protect folks from. 514 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 10: An immoral Muslim ban. 515 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 6: And we do this working in partnership with other ags 516 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 6: and other states, namely Democratic ags, who are about the 517 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 6: same values but most importantly protecting the rights of our constituents. 518 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: Let's talk about what that looks like. You just brought 519 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: up the Muslim ban. A lot of Trump's at least 520 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: in one point zero. I think he thinks in two 521 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: point zero it'll be different. But at one point oh 522 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the things that he tried to do 523 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: were stopped in the court. 524 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 6: That's exactly right. And I think you know, folks still 525 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 6: to this day, the average person, they don't know who 526 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 6: their AG is usually or what the office does. I 527 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 6: think in this moment in time, they will suddenly realize 528 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 6: that the role of an Attorney General is really important 529 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 6: to their daily life, protecting their very humanity, protecting their communities, 530 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 6: their environment, the air that they breathe, the water that 531 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 6: they drink, protecting their children. So the list is long, 532 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 6: and we are expected not only to be the chief 533 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 6: law enforcement office and officer of our states and enforcing 534 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 6: the rule of law, enforcing our laws to protect our residents, 535 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 6: but also we're a policy shop. We put forth policy 536 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 6: and legislation and sometimes grants and fund programming to help folks. 537 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 4: So we have a lot of tools. 538 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 6: In our toolkit that can protect folks, including going to 539 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 6: court to ask for injunctions or various remedies that will 540 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 6: stop a federal government from taking action that we know 541 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 6: will harm people. And so these tools are significant, should 542 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 6: not be discounted. 543 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 10: And obviously we don't know. 544 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 6: Exactly what they're going to do just yet, but we're 545 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 6: prepared and have been preparing in case he won. And 546 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 6: so we're ready to go, and I want folks to 547 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 6: take that as a bright spot on during a very 548 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 6: trying time to say the least. 549 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure. 550 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: So just talk to us about what sort of different 551 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: plans can be. I mean, they're stopping legislation and then 552 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: there's legislating, right, explain to us. 553 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 6: In our office we actually have I've asked my team, 554 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 6: We've done this, I think quite well to really define 555 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 6: what are our tools? And I view them as four tools. 556 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 6: One is litigation, so being able to go into court, 557 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 6: for example, and file a lawsuit against a corporation, for example, 558 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 6: that might be doing something illegally to harm our constituents. 559 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 6: And we see this in the context of scams towards 560 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 6: our elders or towards poor communities, so corporate accountability. Our 561 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 6: litigation tools allow us to hold folks accountable. We of 562 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 6: course can sue the federal government if we need to, 563 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 6: including a president that is going to harm our constituents. 564 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 6: So that litigation enforcement tool is significant and important, but 565 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 6: it's not the only tool an AG office has. We 566 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 6: also have the ability to file legislation, to go into 567 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 6: our court courts, I should say, into our statehouse and 568 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 6: protect our people so I'll give you an example in 569 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 6: the context of reproductive rights and access to reproductive healthcare. 570 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 6: Our shield laws are important. Chooses was the first state 571 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 6: to pass the shield law to protect patients and providers 572 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 6: who are providing access to critical reproductive healthcare, and other states. 573 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 6: We just saw that the Texas AG sued New York 574 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 6: for their shield law. That's a legislative tool, the legislative solution. 575 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 6: And then our two other tools is our grant tools. 576 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 6: We have the ability to put out money to fund 577 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 6: programming and individuals. We've done that including immigrant legal organizations. 578 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 10: And we have our. 579 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 6: Community engagement tool, so being able to do trainings with 580 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 6: our people so they know what their rights are. So 581 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 6: a lot of know your Rights trainings and other ways 582 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 6: we're showing up. But this robust set of tools is 583 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 6: significant in an AG's office. Many offices across the country 584 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 6: have them, and they will be not only useful, but 585 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 6: as we are in the front lines, they will be 586 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 6: essential to being able to protect our residents going forward. 587 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Republican ags have really been on the front line 588 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: of pushing things that they are you know, partisan craziness, 589 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: and I minded of how they overturned row with SBA 590 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: a year before Roe was actually overturned. Do you think 591 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: Democrats have the same stomach to fight back that way. 592 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 6: I can't speak for all Democrats, but I can tell 593 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 6: you I do. You know I have reminding folks, I 594 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 6: know why I do this work where I come from. 595 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 6: I'm very faith driven to whose I am, and it 596 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 6: allows me not only to fight for people, especially those 597 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 6: that have ever felt left out, left behind, or pressed, 598 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 6: marginalized invisible. I you know, sit here with loved ones 599 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 6: who are still incarcerated. As you know, a twin brother 600 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 6: who died while on the custody of the Department of Correction, 601 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 6: and my family never got any accountability for that. So 602 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 6: I understand what it means to hold people accountable and 603 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 6: to truly deliver on that. 604 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 10: So I see this as. 605 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 6: A moment in time to not only step up my 606 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 6: own personal leadership, but to also model what this courageous 607 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 6: leadership means. In this moment in time, we have nothing 608 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 6: to lose, only frank an opportunity to demonstrate the power 609 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 6: of our offices to protect our people, to really do 610 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 6: it in such a way that everyone feels not only protected, 611 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 6: but seen and heard that folks in our LGBTQ plus community, 612 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 6: even in our elder community, in our veteran community, those 613 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 6: who are poor, those who are incarcerated, anyone who has 614 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 6: ever just felt like government was not delivering for them, 615 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 6: to say, government can deliver for you, and who's in 616 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 6: these offices matter. 617 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 10: So we will do. 618 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 6: Just that, And I'll work with my colleagues, mainly Democratic 619 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 6: ags across the country as a collective with the hopes 620 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 6: that we all will exercise that courageous leadership. And based 621 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 6: on my conversations with colleagues, I think and I think 622 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 6: I actually know they're up for the task, and if 623 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 6: we do it as a collective, we really can win. 624 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 6: And I think the Matt Gates nomination, and frankly that 625 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 6: going away was because of our collective advocacy in pushing 626 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 6: back on this nomination of someone that was not only 627 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 6: not qualified for the job but at a very problematic record. 628 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 6: That collective advocacy I think helped. And so we just 629 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 6: have to continue to step up because we have no 630 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 6: time to waste. 631 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's really important. 632 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: Are there other ways in which people can push back 633 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: people listening to this, what would be something you would 634 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: say they should be doing? 635 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 10: One is get to know your AG. 636 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 6: I even said that before the election, you know who 637 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 6: is your AG? It matters are they pushing forth the 638 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,959 Speaker 6: policies that you would want to see for yourself. 639 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 10: For your family, for your community. Start there. 640 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 6: If it is an AG that you align with, well, 641 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 6: how can you join their efforts? Every AG I know 642 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 6: has a website and ways in which to get involved 643 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 6: and to plug into the work in different ways. And 644 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 6: if you have an AG that is not actually being 645 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 6: responsive to what you think that offers should be doing 646 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 6: to serve you and you and your peers in the constituents, 647 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 6: you can also hold them accountable in different ways. And 648 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 6: if you in addition to that gathering of information and 649 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 6: getting to know who your AG is, each of us 650 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 6: either works or we're part of something, whether in a 651 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 6: formal employment context somewhere where we are expected. I hope 652 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 6: to exercise some type of leadership. This is a moment 653 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 6: in time to push our respective organizations to also step up, 654 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 6: so we think about the attacks for example on DEI. 655 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 6: I have been in a lot of conversations right now 656 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 6: pushing corporate leaders and business leaders to use their platforms 657 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 6: to be able to push back on Policyes, that would 658 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 6: threaten DEI efforts because I know they work not just 659 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 6: to make a more diverse space and if you have 660 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 6: that you'll get better solutions, but even to increase a 661 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 6: company's bottom line. 662 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 4: We don't need another. 663 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 6: Report on that. So in our own rights, we're attached 664 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 6: to organizations where we can also push these organizations that 665 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 6: may not pee ads courageous to be able to do 666 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 6: that courageous work. And then, lastly, as individual can we 667 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 6: treat each other with respect and dignity and kindness. I 668 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 6: can't understate how important that is in this moment in time, 669 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 6: as there are folks out there wanting to vilify immigrants 670 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,479 Speaker 6: and make it seem like every immigrant who is here 671 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 6: is somehow perpetuating crime in the communities, which is total nonsense. 672 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 6: We have the ability to push back on that narrative 673 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 6: in our homes, with our children, with our friends, our peers. 674 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 10: Which is powerful as well. 675 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, throughout history, the American people have way 676 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: more power than they think. 677 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 10: That's exactly right. 678 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 6: I just feel like there's so many documentaries right now 679 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 6: on World War two and Nazism, and even our lawsuit 680 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 6: against the Neo Nazi group here in Massachusetts reflecting on leadership, 681 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 6: and it's not just the leaders, and I'll put some 682 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 6: quotes at the top, because we are all leaders in 683 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 6: our own right. The question is do you want to 684 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 6: exercise leadership? But bystanders right, you had Nazism or even 685 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 6: those who were enslaved in this country. All of this 686 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 6: happening because either folks did not exercise leadership or they 687 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 6: did nothing, which is just as harmful. And so this 688 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 6: is an opportunity to step up, as you have said, 689 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 6: to figure out ways in which to push back. And 690 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 6: there are numerous ways, and I think many AG offices 691 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 6: right now are defining some of what that looks like 692 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 6: through various ways in which to do it. 693 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: As a collective, can you explain to our listeners about 694 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 1: what the case is with the Nazis that you guys 695 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: are working on. 696 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 6: So we have a neo Nazi group n SC one 697 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 6: thirty one that sadly was started right here in Massachusetts 698 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 6: and they have since moved to other neighboring states where 699 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 6: we're not going after them because of their beliefs and 700 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 6: their viewpoints, which is that New England should be for 701 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 6: white people, and even a specific type of white person 702 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 6: we follow a lawsuit against them because these beliefs have 703 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 6: now turned into certain action and conduct where they are 704 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 6: violating the civil rights of constituency here in Massachusetts and 705 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 6: other neighboring states, blocking folks access to public libraries, for example, 706 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 6: because they don't like what's happening in those libraries, or 707 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 6: going around in various communities and patrolling folks communities in 708 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 6: a very aggressive type of way, which also is conduct 709 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 6: that violates the civil rights of folks, and not just 710 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 6: some folks that they're targeting, but it violates the civil 711 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 6: rights of all of us. So we have sued them. 712 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 6: My New Hampshire counterpart was actually, who's a Republican ag 713 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 6: also sued this group for similar conduct in New Hampshire. 714 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 6: So there's collective work happening, and I will say at 715 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 6: times even across the political divide, where we are doing 716 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 6: meaningful work to protect our folks against hatred and bias 717 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 6: in anything that would threaten their very existence in being 718 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 6: in the world, which for me, I think is even 719 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 6: more important than the tangible things we could provide. 720 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 10: Folks. 721 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: Are you shocked at how regressive everything has gone to. 722 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 6: A certain extent? I also have been engaging with so 723 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 6: many folks, and I have in my entire personal and 724 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 6: professional life, folks that have really been in the trenches 725 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 6: of combating oppression and pushing for truth and reconciliation, really 726 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 6: asking this country that we love. And I know I 727 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 6: would not be the first black woman ag in Massachusetts 728 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 6: if I didn't have significant resources and a great education, 729 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 6: all the things you would need to be successful. This 730 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 6: Commonwealth of Massachusetts didn't provide that. At the same time, 731 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 6: I'm mindful of a history in this country that we 732 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 6: often don't want to talk about, that our kids won't 733 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 6: learn about. I'm a mom of two young boys, a 734 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 6: five year old and seven year old, concerned about what 735 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 6: they're learning or not learning, and at some point, in 736 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 6: order to be able to move past a dark history, 737 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 6: including where folks were enslaved in this country, the lack 738 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 6: of accountability for the lives that were lost, that at 739 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 6: some point you have to face that if you're going 740 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 6: to get to the other side and to be able 741 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 6: to create a world in which everyone is only valued 742 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 6: but can contribute and truly does equal access to opportunity, 743 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 6: and where the law is applicable to everyone equitably. 744 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 10: And we know at moments, there. 745 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 6: Are folks who refuse to either address that history, to 746 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 6: not only address it, but to even acknowledge the truth 747 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 6: about that history in this country. And so in this 748 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 6: dark moment that people are experiencing, I also sees an 749 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 6: opportunity for us to roll up our sleeves to be 750 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 6: honest about that history, but at the same time to 751 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,760 Speaker 6: lift up the positive advocacy of so many unnamed folks 752 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 6: who would make it possible for me and you right 753 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 6: to be on this podcast enjoying time together, conversing with 754 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 6: one another without anyone coming to track us down, because 755 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 6: we are crossing lines in terms of our engagement right 756 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 6: the women, the people of color, black people who fought 757 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 6: and died for us, to take our rightful places, to 758 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 6: give our gifts of service to the world and of 759 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 6: course to our peers. That also gives me significant hope 760 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 6: in this moment in time, and we have work to do, 761 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 6: but I'm excited also at the same time about the 762 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 6: possibilit is what we can do if we bring truth 763 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 6: to it. Healing and also action. 764 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly. Thank you so much at Campbell. 765 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,959 Speaker 6: Thank you and thank you for always having me. Thank 766 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 6: you for the space you create look forward to continue 767 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 6: to engage together and onward and upward. We have work 768 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 6: to do, and I'm excited about what lizahead in terms 769 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 6: of our collaboration. 770 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 4: A moment exactly Jesse Canon, So. 771 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: Molly, this brings me no joy to discuss whatsoever. South 772 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 2: Carolina has just introduced one of the most extreme and 773 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 2: disgusting abortion bills we've seen in this country where you 774 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 2: see gear. 775 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 4: So this is a maga bill in South Carolina. You 776 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 4: know the state bills tend to be where a lot 777 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 4: of these Republican elected experiment with different legislation, and this 778 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 4: is no different. This is a bill that would mandate 779 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 4: the death penalty for women who seek an abortion. And 780 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 4: South Carolina ranks the eighth highest in the nation in 781 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 4: maternal mortality, and this would mean it's the bill called 782 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,479 Speaker 4: sc H three five three seven, and it's known as 783 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 4: the South Carolina Prenatal Equal Protection app And it is 784 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 4: one of the extreme, most extreme pieces of legislation, and 785 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 4: it would again this is again this idea of fetal personhood. 786 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 4: The word person would now be applied to an unborn fetus. Right. 787 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 4: This means that a woman who gets an abortion could 788 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 4: be charged with a homicide, and a homicide in South 789 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 4: Carolina can be punished with the death penalty, so it 790 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 4: would mean that if you had an abortion, you could 791 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 4: be executed. 792 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 2: Dark Times, Dark Times. 793 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 794 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday to hear the best 795 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If 796 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend 797 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. 798 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 9: Thanks for listening.