WEBVTT - Marvel Zombies

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<v Speaker 1>Warning, Today's episode contain spoilers for all four episodes of

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel Zombies on Disney Plus. Hello, my name is Jascontepsi

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<v Speaker 1>Canmerzy night. Welcome back to Extra Vision, the podcast where

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<v Speaker 1>you got your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from our podcast where we're bringing you

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<v Speaker 1>three episodes a week Saturday Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's episode, we are diving into the Marvel Zombies

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<v Speaker 2>animated series. Can you believe it exists? I can barely

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<v Speaker 2>believe it exists? And it's only four episodes long. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a quick recap and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have a combo about, you know, Marvel the animation Marvel Zombies.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do we see it headed next? This is another

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<v Speaker 2>interesting MCU project. I think we'll tell us more about

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<v Speaker 2>what we're going in the future, both business wise and

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully story wise.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Episode one opens with a wonderful trio Kamalogy, Kate

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<v Speaker 1>Bishop and Reerey Williams. There are scavenging and the zombie

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<v Speaker 1>wasteland of what I think is New York City or

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<v Speaker 1>it might be LA and they're looking for just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to bring back to their little headquarters. And in

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<v Speaker 1>the course of that, they find this weird little thing

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<v Speaker 1>inside the stomach of a zombie, so they realize that

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<v Speaker 1>it's Shield Tech. So they've set course for a Shield

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<v Speaker 1>base in order to figure out what this thing is

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<v Speaker 1>and to access it. Passing through the valley of the

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<v Speaker 1>Broken Gauza attacked by zombies, Kate is killed by a

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<v Speaker 1>zombie Captain, Marvel setting the kind of tone for the series,

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<v Speaker 1>which is we're going to lose multiple characters per episode, which.

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<v Speaker 2>I like, yeah, you know what, we are rarely ever

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to see these big name characters get killed,

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<v Speaker 2>so it is exciting, but also, like, I love Kate,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was very sad about that. I did think

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<v Speaker 2>it was interesting that they continue the thread here of

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<v Speaker 2>the zombies still having the powers, which I always think

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<v Speaker 2>is really right.

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<v Speaker 1>They're very it takes some time for them to utilize

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<v Speaker 1>get their skills back, but yeah, but they after they've

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<v Speaker 1>been running around for a while, as we see.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the Zombie Captain novel, she's got those powers for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Zombie Hawkeye was really good as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the idea that Zombie Hawkeye is just forever

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<v Speaker 2>going around just shooting a Howard for all his that's

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<v Speaker 2>his ars, Like, how does he get That's what I'm wondering.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he pick them back up? Like I gotta know?

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<v Speaker 1>So, Kate is killed by Captain Marvel. Re Re sacrifices

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<v Speaker 1>herself to allow Kamala to escape. Kamala's rescue by Blade,

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<v Speaker 1>who is now the avatar of Kanchu, though no one

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<v Speaker 1>kind of believes him when he says. At Blade and

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala reached the Shield base, they're greeted by the Russians Lena,

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<v Speaker 1>Red Guardian, uh Malina, Mom and the daughters who are

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of like squad of widows. And here's here's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'll say.

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<v Speaker 2>This is your spiciest take, Go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>The voice acting for Molina, I'm just saying, the voice

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<v Speaker 1>acting for Molina. The Russian accent is so bad that

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<v Speaker 1>it almost made me feel like I thought we were

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<v Speaker 1>using AI now, folks, like, can't we you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Brutalist they fixed the Hungarian accents and the Brutalist

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<v Speaker 1>using AI and everybody was up in arms about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But honestly, listening to this, I'm like, maybe they were right.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe what you do in the maybe what you do

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<v Speaker 1>in the future is you if you use AI to

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<v Speaker 1>like tighten up an accent in the deleted scenes, you

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<v Speaker 1>released the before and after version so people could be like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, Okay, Yeah, I like almost out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the really interesting thing is I don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>that they even brought back the actress who they did

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<v Speaker 2>not bring Yeah, so it's no Rachel Wise. So in

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<v Speaker 2>that case, I'm like, just hire somebody who has a

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<v Speaker 2>Russian accent if you can't do it like they I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>if Rachel Wise doesn't have to be here doing the

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<v Speaker 2>bad accent, then what's the point of having someone doing

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<v Speaker 2>a bad accent? Yeah? It really it definitely took me out.

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<v Speaker 2>Those accents are pretty outrageous.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure others will say Vice's accent was not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>Gangbusters either.

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<v Speaker 2>True, I know, but I'm saying, if she's a big

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<v Speaker 2>name and you've got her back, then you gotta deal

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<v Speaker 2>with the accent that she's doing. Because she's Rachel Wise.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd let her do whatever she wanted. But but when

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<v Speaker 2>it's not Rachel Wise, like, maybe maybe we could have

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<v Speaker 2>tightened it up a little bit. Lots of outrageous Russian accent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just cast someone with a better accent.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So then we're at the Shield base. They turn

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<v Speaker 1>on the transmitter. They figure out that it's a distress

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<v Speaker 1>call that calls the Novercore, the space cops of the

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel Universe, but it needs to be activated in space

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<v Speaker 1>in order to activate that to trust call. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>zombies are now like ringing the bass in a throng,

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly like a million two million strong zombies led by

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<v Speaker 1>a Koye, now the scion of the Queen of the Dead.

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<v Speaker 1>She's got multiple superpowered zombies in the Horde, seemingly headlined

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<v Speaker 1>by Abomination, Captain America with no legs, Ghost and Hawkeye.

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<v Speaker 2>And Captain America is doing a lot without those legs.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, there's a really great fight. The fight

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<v Speaker 1>between Red Guardian Captain America with no Legs is a

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<v Speaker 1>highlight of the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>That's top ten MC. You stop, it's so good, good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So everybody has to flee this base because it's quickly

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<v Speaker 1>being overrun. Despite the Widows and everybody's best efforts to

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<v Speaker 1>like gun down the Horde, it's just they're simply like

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<v Speaker 1>too many of them, And Molina ends up sacrificing herself

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<v Speaker 1>to all the rest of the group to escape, thus

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<v Speaker 1>saving us from further Russian voice acting. And we wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if it wasn't purposeful, if they're like, well, do you

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<v Speaker 1>really have to hire somebody just kill us?

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<v Speaker 2>First responses to the first episode of Marvel Zombies.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a strong episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was actually a very good first episode.

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<v Speaker 2>This one kind of it had me questioning my own cynicism.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, I was like, maybe there's something

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<v Speaker 2>to this because they managed to keep the emotional stakes high.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love obviously this kind of Young Avengers esque team.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Kamala being at the front of this story

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<v Speaker 2>because she's great and AmAm Vallani's voice acting is impeccable.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the animation is also a step up from what

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen before and what if, especially when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to the faces and emotional acting. So yeah, I found

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<v Speaker 2>myself quite intrigued by this, though I will say they

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<v Speaker 2>set up an early issue that I had with the

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<v Speaker 2>zombification kind of law. Lor in this space is like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these zombies, like a Koya. She's talking like,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like maybe there should be I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>at the point of the zombie apocalypse now where maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there should be a mediation rather than just like a

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<v Speaker 2>full blown like we just got to kill them, because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like at some point they've gained some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sentient or understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Back, right, I mean, we certainly kind of get that

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<v Speaker 1>with the appearance of the Queen of the Dead sort

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<v Speaker 1>of yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean even a Koye as a scion is like

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<v Speaker 2>she's talking to people, she's ordering people around, So I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I at first thought she was the Queen of the Dead,

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<v Speaker 2>but obviously to connect it to.

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<v Speaker 1>I did find myself kind of wishing they were more

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<v Speaker 1>simply mindless zombie. Yeah, they're just like attacking.

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<v Speaker 2>Which was great. The Captain America zombie is definitely that,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was really effective because also from the original

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Marvel Zombies comic by Robert Kirkman and Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Miller and Greg Land and all those guys, that vision

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<v Speaker 2>of Captain America's zombie is so iconic. So I thought

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<v Speaker 2>they did a really good job bringing that in and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like making it some of the most iconic

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<v Speaker 2>kind of zombiefication moments, making sure that they were on

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<v Speaker 2>the screen because people love this comic. They loved it

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<v Speaker 2>when it came out, you know, twenty years ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>the kids they love it now through YouTube. It was peak.

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<v Speaker 1>It was peak. That was peak Zombie Revival. Also, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly twenty post twenty eight days post The Walking Dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is why they got Yes, Robert kug went back

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<v Speaker 2>to do this. So yeah, I'm very interested in that

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<v Speaker 2>angle of it. But let's talk more. Let's go to

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<v Speaker 2>episode two.

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<v Speaker 1>We opened in San Francisco in the midst of the

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<v Speaker 1>zombie outbreak, sometime before the events of Shang Chi the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>So Chang Chi Katie and Jimmy Wou, who are still

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<v Speaker 1>working at the restaurant, are saved by are saved by

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<v Speaker 1>when we win the Ten Rings, when we sacrifices himself

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<v Speaker 1>to keep shunk Chi alive. Years past, shang Chi, Katie,

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Wou, and Death Dealer are part of like a

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<v Speaker 1>mad Max existence out in the desert. They arrive in

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans, which is like a fortified camp run by

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<v Speaker 1>Baron Zimo.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of it's and he and he's running the raft

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<v Speaker 2>as like a hotel what you can survive the apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 1>He also hates heroes, but like there's a lot of them. Here.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, he's such a.

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<v Speaker 1>He's such a hypocrite, he's such an end And this

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<v Speaker 1>camp is like its economy is based purely on barter,

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<v Speaker 1>like they came with cows so they were allowed in.

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<v Speaker 2>So also, I just I do just want to say

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<v Speaker 2>that I was one of the funniest moments of the

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<v Speaker 2>season for me is when the Scrolls tried to steal

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<v Speaker 2>the cows on the way out. That was a good,

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<v Speaker 2>good little joke for the comic book heads.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't all the carmartage wizards just like open a portal

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<v Speaker 1>drop all the zombies through.

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<v Speaker 2>The Seriously, Jason, there's so many questions about why the

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<v Speaker 2>zombie was able to happen aka everyone is useless apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the city, Chang Chi and friends run into

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<v Speaker 1>the survivors from episode one, Kamala, Blade, Elena, Red Guardian,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. However, Baron Zimo, who hates heroes as he says,

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<v Speaker 1>betrays the group to a group of underwaters zombies led

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<v Speaker 1>by Naymar, who I was left wondering, shouldn't Naymore be

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<v Speaker 1>weaker if he's like a little dryer, Like, aren't when

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<v Speaker 1>you're dead? Aren't you dried?

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<v Speaker 2>Out very interesting law here because also as well, I

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<v Speaker 2>will say, if you can do a deal with name

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<v Speaker 2>More and be like, I'm going to give you these

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<v Speaker 2>heroes to eat, like again, I think you're calling into

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<v Speaker 2>question the sentience of the zombies and their ability to.

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<v Speaker 1>Make dal So that was a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that. I do think out of all

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<v Speaker 2>the zombies we see, I think the Name of Zombie

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<v Speaker 2>is the coolest, like scary reimagining of the characters. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's a lot of questions going on at

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<v Speaker 2>this point about like how zombie Apocalypse kind of has

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<v Speaker 2>continued at such a ray and just generally like the

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<v Speaker 2>Avengers are not up to snuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I do like that, even though it's extremely tropy. I

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<v Speaker 1>do like that every episode essentially ends with Helm's deep yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single time they're like, yeah, it better be a

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<v Speaker 2>craziest team up you've ever seen, including a giant battle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the city is overwhelmed by Name More zombie

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<v Speaker 1>forces and everybody has to escape once again. As they're

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<v Speaker 1>on their way to try and call the novacre, Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>kills Anymore in a really cool actually way, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she like blows his head off. But Lena is like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I've had enough of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I'm done, done, done, Like I'm gonna stay here.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys get out of here. Red Guardian's like by

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<v Speaker 1>but they escape and let's escape to an ad break.

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<v Speaker 1>We're great back and we're back Episode one oh two

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<v Speaker 1>in the books. Now on to one oh three flashback. Wakanda,

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man, Black Panther, and Scott Lang's Head with the

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<v Speaker 1>Cape of Levitation are fighting zombie Thanos and his five

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<v Speaker 1>Infinity Stones. Thanos is obviously like super powerful. He like

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<v Speaker 1>opens a chasm to the Earth to expose the vibranium

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<v Speaker 1>in the Earth's core. Expose the molten vibranium to the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth's core to Challa in order to stop the sacrifices

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<v Speaker 1>himself to push that into the Earth's court. The energy

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<v Speaker 1>of the stones sends out shock waves that warps reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man and Scott Lang's Head are then saved by

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<v Speaker 1>the Sorcerers of Carmartage. We go to the present day,

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<v Speaker 1>come on and Crewe make it to New as Guard

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<v Speaker 1>where everything's closed off. It's walled off. You're not allowed

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<v Speaker 1>in unless you're God, So get out. Of here. But

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<v Speaker 1>then Blade reveals like, oh yeah, like boom, kan Chu,

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<v Speaker 1>I am the avatar of Kanchu, so let me have

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<v Speaker 1>to let me in. Valkyrie's like, oh kan Chu, you

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<v Speaker 1>crazy motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, se a pal.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to see a pal. And it's like and

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. Nobody else sees it. Also, like they're

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<v Speaker 1>just like what they get in there, and it's just revels,

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<v Speaker 1>just constant, like they're the gods of Asgard and the

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<v Speaker 1>and the mini gods are just kind of passing the

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<v Speaker 1>time drinking and partying and toasting to their fallen comrades.

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<v Speaker 1>As Thor kind of sits there in this fad and

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<v Speaker 1>like funk. You know, he's not he's not he's out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. He's depressed. He's very sad at what's happened.

0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.960
<v Speaker 1>So everybody's feasting there, and they're feasting not only to

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<v Speaker 1>their phone comrades, but they're feasting as like a celebration

0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.680
<v Speaker 1>of the Queen of Kovia, who's arrived there as a guest.

0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:33.880
<v Speaker 1>And everyone's like, especially Zimo is like, well, you know,

0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.280
<v Speaker 1>we didn't have royalty, Like I grew up in Zacoba

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio and beyond Zakovia and I don't recognize

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<v Speaker 1>any like what queen. Everybody realizes, Oh shit, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a second, that's Wanda maximum off the Queen of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dead. But the betrayal is revealed. All the rebels

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<v Speaker 1>revelers are like eating and drinking corpse pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>Very scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody is forced to escape. We lose a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>the crew here, but Blade, Shunk, Chi, Katie, Kamala, and

0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Valkyrie do manage to escape. The ship shouts to Red Guardian,

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<v Speaker 1>who ate so much zombie corpse food before.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, just like before amounts of free food.

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<v Speaker 1>Wanda pulls them back until Thor shows up to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>snapping out of his funk to fight her, but of

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<v Speaker 1>course he sacrifices himself so everybody can escape. And when

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<v Speaker 1>they get to space here it is we've gotten a

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<v Speaker 1>space and we're gonna send this transmission in the Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna call space nine one one and the Nova

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<v Speaker 1>Corpse is gonna arrive. But when they dial nine one one,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what they realized. Novacorp is already there, enforcing a

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<v Speaker 1>quarantine around the entire planet. Nobody can leave, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you do try to leave, you're gonna get and honestly, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. I kind of understand. If you're the

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<v Speaker 1>Nova coord like where there's superpowered zombies down there, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>be careful.

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<v Speaker 2>And like nobody's doing anything about apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's doing anything about it. And if one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>because many of them can fly, just decides to fly

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<v Speaker 1>up and out to space, like give Captain Marvel's like,

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<v Speaker 1>well I'm going out into space to create more zombies.

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<v Speaker 1>Then like you're all fucked. So I get it. I

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<v Speaker 1>do get it. We go to episode one or four,

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<v Speaker 1>your crew is shot down, but they are saved by

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<v Speaker 1>the Sorcerers from camoutage.

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<v Speaker 2>As you said, should have been doing a lot more. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my thing is like couldn't couldn't I in a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like if you open like Rintra that's been a

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<v Speaker 1>big port get everybody together, open a big portal and

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<v Speaker 1>just like Hoover the hoover the of zombies and just

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<v Speaker 1>like have them falling, put it under the hord and

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<v Speaker 1>just drop them out.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was a kid, when well when my nephew

0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:08.960
<v Speaker 2>was a real little kid and I was younger, we

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<v Speaker 2>would play this game a lot on the iPad. Code

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<v Speaker 2>Hole Io it's very addictive. You basically are a hole,

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<v Speaker 2>and the more you eat, the bigger the hole becomes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was thinking this whole time. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>imagine if Comatage had just been there during the Asgardian

0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.399
<v Speaker 2>drama a whole of a new as God could have

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<v Speaker 2>just drop them through a port or no problem, Like

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<v Speaker 2>come on, guy, I do lovetra though. When I saw

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<v Speaker 2>hi my chid humanoid cow fan.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a humanoid Calfan and Rintra is our thus

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<v Speaker 1>far soul canonical and see you humanoid from us seriously,

0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.800
<v Speaker 1>big portal. Put the other portal either in another dimension

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<v Speaker 1>or like over the sun.

0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, directly into the sun. Just just blost them

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<v Speaker 2>through that.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, and just like vacuum me.

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<v Speaker 2>We know there is a lot of people at Commatage

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<v Speaker 2>too who have those skills, so like, come.

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<v Speaker 1>On, okay, So we get a reveal of some stuff

0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that happened in the past. Turns out, when the Infinity

0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Stones exploded in the battle previously, they use the Hulk

0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.120
<v Speaker 1>to kind of absorb the excess energy, and so now

0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:26.120
<v Speaker 1>he is just kind of inert guarding this like immense energy.

0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.280
<v Speaker 1>He's just kind of like sitting there with this like

0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.800
<v Speaker 1>huge infinite energy coursing through him. And of course Wanda,

0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.920
<v Speaker 1>who professes that she really wants to end all this,

0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:42.119
<v Speaker 1>that's her take, is like, hey, I healed myself and

0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.639
<v Speaker 1>I'll be able to heal everyone. I just like need

0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.600
<v Speaker 1>more power to do it. I promise, I promise. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that I betrayed nu Asgard and seemingly like the

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<v Speaker 1>destruction is NonStop and I'm doing absolutely nothing to rain

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<v Speaker 1>in the zombies, despite the fact that I'm now ostensibly

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<v Speaker 1>human deaths.

0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.359
<v Speaker 2>And ostensibly that queen. And also, so the thing I

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<v Speaker 2>think is interesting here is in the comics, they essentially

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<v Speaker 2>established that there is sort of an addiction element to

0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.440
<v Speaker 2>the zombification. I liked, and I think it's really interesting

0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.240
<v Speaker 2>because then what they do is if you don't eat

0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:18.280
<v Speaker 2>humans for a few weeks, you essentially start to revert

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<v Speaker 2>to your human, not brain eating zombie ways. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's really interesting. And obviously that changes here with

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that kind of I'm guessing Wonder and her

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<v Speaker 2>magic are the reason that she's able to kind of

0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.600
<v Speaker 2>seem more human. But I don't trust the Queen of

0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:35.600
<v Speaker 2>the Dead to be bringing people back to life like

0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.159
<v Speaker 2>they made the right choice. I think not. I love Wonder,

0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:39.680
<v Speaker 2>but I wouldn't have trusted her either.

0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:46.119
<v Speaker 1>So we get the big endgame crossed with Helm's deep moment.

0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.960
<v Speaker 1>As wan As Army is trying desperately to like break

0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:54.600
<v Speaker 1>through the cordon of defenders like around Banner so that

0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.800
<v Speaker 1>she can get to him. Yeah, everybody, people are dropping

0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.720
<v Speaker 1>like flies. Now now we're lose heroes left, right, and center.

0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Kamala tries to fight Wanda, which apparently Wanda wanted to

0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:14.240
<v Speaker 1>like draw her close enough to her so that she

0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:19.520
<v Speaker 1>can also steal her power. The Hulk's energy is transferred

0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.320
<v Speaker 1>through Wanda to Kamala. Kamala and and the Queen of

0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.919
<v Speaker 1>the Dead is like, remember how I promised like I

0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:29.560
<v Speaker 1>was going to fix everything? Boom, It's fixed. Tamala then

0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.760
<v Speaker 1>wakes up back in her house Jersey City. Everything's normal,

0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.840
<v Speaker 1>rereincate there at the door. They want to get boba.

0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:38.240
<v Speaker 1>It's been a long time since you got boba. She

0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.320
<v Speaker 1>goes to get boba. She's so excited about the boba,

0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.959
<v Speaker 1>but something feels off, It feels too pat and we

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<v Speaker 1>get these flashes of like the zombie reality and of

0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.880
<v Speaker 1>re reholding back waves of zombies, being like, we need

0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.960
<v Speaker 1>you help, help, help, help help, as Wanda zombie visage

0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.520
<v Speaker 1>flashes across the screen, and then we go back to

0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the placid, normal Jersey City reality, and then the show

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<v Speaker 1>infuriatingly ends.

0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, very infuriating. Let's go, let's go to a break

0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.080
<v Speaker 2>and then we'll come and talk about that.

0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:29.600
<v Speaker 1>And we're back. I was having a I want to

0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:32.399
<v Speaker 1>say that I was having a great time with Marvel Zombies.

0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I was really enjoyed animations bad. It looks good fun, Yeah,

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.960
<v Speaker 2>crazy concept like it's on Disney Plus, enjoy it like that.

0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Actually great. As Aaron was pointing out, there are a lot

0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.840
<v Speaker 1>of trophy, like everybody's sacrificing themselves and that's basically the

0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 1>end of every episode is Yeah, it's definitely repintitive.

0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:50.000
<v Speaker 2>But zombidy.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't mind. I didn't care. I really liked it,

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and I thought the build was fantastic, And so when

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<v Speaker 1>they ended the episode with no ending, no resolution at all,

0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I am honestly like shocked. Now, we just got done

0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:11.400
<v Speaker 1>recording a Peacemaker episode in which we praised and exact

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and praised James Gunn's ability to set up the scaffolding

0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:21.159
<v Speaker 1>that holds up his universe with the caveat to say that, like,

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's what there is Creature, Commando's Superman and Peacemakers.

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:29.560
<v Speaker 1>So there's like really only three plus the suicide Squad

0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 1>which he's picked in cheese, which parts of that to

0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:37.000
<v Speaker 1>bring back. Yeah, and so there's less stuff. But if

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I was confident that this was leading to some other thing, agreed,

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:46.359
<v Speaker 1>I would be much more stoked and excited. As it

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<v Speaker 1>stands now, I'm like, what the fuck?

0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.119
<v Speaker 2>I know it's I agree with you? I think again.

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:54.760
<v Speaker 2>This is something that I have been talking about since

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<v Speaker 2>the original series of What If, where they had that

0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:00.320
<v Speaker 2>incredible episode four where they introduced this kind of supreme

0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Strange who had all of these he'd done all these

0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.359
<v Speaker 2>crazy things and eating all these crazy demons and taking

0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:09.480
<v Speaker 2>on all these powers, and it felt so much like, Okay,

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:13.240
<v Speaker 2>that's going to be related to Multiverse of Madness. Incorrect.

0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.919
<v Speaker 2>They created a whole new character. I think they have

0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.159
<v Speaker 2>struggled to commit to the animated stuff the way that

0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:21.439
<v Speaker 2>James Gunn has, and I think he learned a lesson

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.880
<v Speaker 2>from that, because even just the feeling of having Rick

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Flagg Senia come over from Creature Commandos two Peacemaker feels

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.199
<v Speaker 2>so impactful and feels so cool, and the fact that

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:36.080
<v Speaker 2>it's the same actor, which again dc has been doing

0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.960
<v Speaker 2>for a while. They had Matt Ryan who was Constantine

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:43.840
<v Speaker 2>in their cwuniverse voice the Doomsday Wore kind of the

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 2>final DCAU movie Apocalypse was so great, and so they've

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:50.920
<v Speaker 2>been doing it for a while, and it is cool

0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.040
<v Speaker 2>to have the voice actors here. As I said in

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:55.440
<v Speaker 2>mam Vallani killing it with the voice acting, I don't

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.280
<v Speaker 2>know if there's anything she can't do. She's amazing. But

0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:02.040
<v Speaker 2>when it ends like this and they essentially say, hey,

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.399
<v Speaker 2>this universe is now in like a House of m

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:10.080
<v Speaker 2>esque situation where everyone is being kept and the thing

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:13.439
<v Speaker 2>is this annoys me the most about it. Again, it

0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.080
<v Speaker 2>feels like it would be so easy to tie into

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 2>the end of that Man Quantumania, where there's that kind

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 2>of feeling that Scott knows something is wrong in the universe, yeah,

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:26.119
<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't know what. And there's the kind of

0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:28.640
<v Speaker 2>this I love this idea that all the heroes think

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:32.440
<v Speaker 2>everything is okay, and that could potentially lead to them

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 2>not feeling whatever this next giant threat is going to

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:36.879
<v Speaker 2>be in the MCU, which is obviously going to be

0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Doom. But yeah, the ending where they just kind

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.879
<v Speaker 2>of tried to go for like it's a bleak like ending.

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 2>I was like, come on, guys, I'm like, I need

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 2>one more episode, Like you don't have the juice to

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 2>just leave us hanging like this.

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, because I did voice some a

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.440
<v Speaker 1>note of critique in our pre like before returned. The

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 1>MIC's on and I'm like, why is Kamala still like

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>blown away that she's.

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I do think you have to we have to talk

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 2>about this.

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 1>I have to now. Let me say Ivan Joelle, I

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:11.560
<v Speaker 1>think rightly pushedback that, like you didn't get it, annoyed

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 1>it Spider Man. I think there are some differences, important differences,

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>and some similarities that I think I've been thinking about.

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Here's why I think it bothers me in the context

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:25.760
<v Speaker 1>of this show. I like the pluckiness, and I think

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 1>she should be amazed. I think that's like obviously a

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 1>big part of it.

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:29.639
<v Speaker 2>To me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the amazement should have been holy shit, you're

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 1>still alive, not yes, Wow, it's Spider Man, Like you're

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 1>fighting alongside heroes now, And I get it like it

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>to me, it should have been it should have been

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 1>more that like, oh my god, Spider Man, you made it.

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Holy cow, Like, you know, the world is like overrun

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 1>by billions of zombies and you and many famous and

0:25:56.320 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>iconic and beloved heroes including Captain Amaric, the Hulk and

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:05.360
<v Speaker 1>more have fallen by the wayside, and yet you still live.

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I thought that, and the fact that it was

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:11.880
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like immediately snapped back to Jersey City,

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Kamala like like that was the part of it that

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<v Speaker 1>like bugged me a little bit because it felt a

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<v Speaker 1>little out of world.

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 3>I felt the reality of it is like the way

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.120
<v Speaker 3>you do it that makes sense is at first, she's

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 3>just so glad that they're all there and they're fighting

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 3>and you've got the backup, and then you know, she

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 3>could have a little like in a moment of fighting,

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 3>like I can't believe I'm fighting alongside.

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:37.680
<v Speaker 2>You and someone else is like com Comala, there's a

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 2>fucking zombies, Like they's zombies. You know, you could have that,

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:43.360
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the fact that she's just still like that,

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:45.119
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know how many years in this is

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 2>meant to be at this point, Yeah, I do think

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:53.600
<v Speaker 2>that that is a writing issue. I will also say

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 2>I think the reason it didn't feel so over the

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<v Speaker 2>top with Peters because they allow him to have other

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.879
<v Speaker 2>interests and other powersons and other friends and stuff. And

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Kamala her her main passion has been the other Avengers,

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>and I do think in Man brings that so well

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 2>to the screen. But yeah, let's broaden it out. Let's

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 2>give us some more to do. If this is her,

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, she's this is her world now that has

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 2>been destroyed, and I.

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Guess she's ever going to resolve the end of this show.

0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that we're just gonna I think.

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.120
<v Speaker 2>What it's going to be is I think there will

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 2>be like a throwaway callback in the MCU where she'll

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 2>be like, don't you remember that time we thought zombies

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.719
<v Speaker 2>together or something? And they'll be like no, and that

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 2>will be like it. That's my guess, because I don't think.

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 2>While I do think that the Disney animation experiment for

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Marvel has been positive, I think that overall the positive

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 2>over under is good. I think kids love what If.

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 2>I think it added a lot of law. There's a

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of YouTube videos about what If, and that is

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 2>a way that kids, fire and entertainment nowadays. I will

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>also say I don't necessarily think it's been like wholly successful.

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 2>It's had huge, huge he'll talk about you know, because

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 2>I think the X Men ninety seven is a ten

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 2>out of ten unbelievable piece of gorgeous animation. Didn't you know?

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Had its problems, had its behind the scenes problems. We

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 2>are still yet to understand why Bodomeo was fired or left,

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 2>and we know he's not coming back for season two

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 2>and that they've rewritten a bunch of season two, so

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:31.639
<v Speaker 2>we don't know what the status of that is. But

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:35.640
<v Speaker 2>the first season is absolutely stunning. But I don't think

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 2>that I.

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Will say that his online presence post firing leads me

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>to believe it was maybe not without cause.

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh no, no, no, I agree, But I also

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I also need to know, like many people who get

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.479
<v Speaker 2>fired with dressed cause will disappear from the internet for

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>a while, take a little time off. Not Bodomeo, like

0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:59.479
<v Speaker 2>whatever's going on, he is able to talk about it

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 2>or settlement there. He's still he's still there, you can

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 2>still see his thoughts. But in general, like X Men

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 2>ninety seven, I would say it was the peak of

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>what they've tried to do. It was beautifully animated, it

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 2>was you know, dropped week to week, so we had

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 2>with episode five that huge conversation about Remy and about

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Rogue and about it became the water cooler conversation show.

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think even though what If was maybe never

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna be that. In the same way, though, I will

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 2>say first season being dropped weekly did help. I covered

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:31.959
<v Speaker 2>it weekly at Den of Geek. We got a lot

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>of readers who wanted to understand the show. I think

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>that the what If universe being the thing that they

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>have expanded with this Zombies, I don't necessarily know if

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>that was the correct choice. Like if I was in

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 2>charge of this, I would have probably pitched to them, hey,

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 2>what if you make Marvel Zombies its own kind of

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 2>standalone thing, maybe new animation style. Though the animation here

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 2>is better, but I think like it's tied to what

0:29:57.640 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 2>If is gonna put a lot of people off, Whereas

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I think Marvel Zombies as a brand and as a

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 2>name and as a title has so much weight. Like

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 2>when I worked in the comic shop, it was like

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 2>ten eleven years after this thing had come out, and

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>people still always wanted it like the Kirkman doing Marble Zombies.

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 2>It's so iconic. Obviously, the story is essentially completely different here. Fine,

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 2>it's an adaptation, but I don't think I think, once again,

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 2>I think this showcases more of the issues with the

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Marvel animation format than the best of what it can do,

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 2>like they did with with X Men.

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the Marvel Zombies comic. It's one of

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>my favorites.

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, legendary.

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>It was there in that era early two thousands. I

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>was actually coming back into being a regular comics reader

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>after like a lot of time off, like I was,

0:30:55.120 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I was picking up trades and following it that way. Yeah,

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>for the period before then, but in the early two thousands,

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, with with Ultimates and the Ultimate Universe, with

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>what was going with the X Men at the time,

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>and particularly with the Walking Dead, and with then the

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Clear knockoff, but also very very fun Marvel Zombies. I

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>was like, you know what, I'm back in, and Marvel

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Zombies is like to me, it just like represents that

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>period of comics, which I think, you know, looking back,

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like a mini Golden euro Oh, definitely

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty first century.

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 2>It was. It was really interesting post the Boom and

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.959
<v Speaker 2>Bust at the end essentially when then Joe Casada is

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>that and they're making weird stuff. They're making the Punisher

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Frankenstein comic in their late nineties early zeros, they're leading

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 2>into doing like Marvel zombies. There was a freedom here

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>and also an interest in bringing in creators who maybe

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 2>hadn't done books before or maybe didn't get the big

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 2>big So yeah, this was definitely a really interesting time.

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I will also say in the comics, like the zombies

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 2>do retain their intelligence their powers, and that makes them

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>way more scary and in something I love which you know,

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 2>we were never probably going to get in this. The

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 2>reason that the zombie outbreak is able to go global

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>in this universe is because Quicksar is a zombie, so

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 2>he goes around he's spreading the infection, you know. And yeah,

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 2>very very interesting stuff because also Kirkman's kind of establishing

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of law in this which makes sense posts

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Walking Dead. You know, you can't eat a zombie, can't

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 2>eat another zombie and stuff like that in this universe

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 2>because it will make them sick. Also, even people with

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>healing powers are getting infected. At Wolverine, Hulk Deadpool. But interestingly, again,

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 2>you can even have characters who are not necessarily taken

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>over fully because their healing factor is instantly helping them

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of fight it off. But the Dombe apocalypse there

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>is so big that it does convert the high gods

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 2>of Asgard, like that's a nod to it. Like it's

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:16.040
<v Speaker 2>so interesting to me because there's so much weird stuff

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>in Marvel Zombies where they get all the mechanical creatures

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 2>like Ultron and Machine Man and Jocasta to come and help,

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.479
<v Speaker 2>and there we was just so much that you know,

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 2>they couldn't do in the series, and I get it.

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>But if you haven't read Marvel Zombies, you've got to

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 2>go and read it because it's so influential. I mean,

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 2>DC is really just a few years ago started their

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 2>version called Deceased with Tom Taylor writing it, and that

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 2>has become one of the most successful comics for them,

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 2>even though it was started, you know, fifteen years kind

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>of after Marvel did their version. So, I mean, Marvel

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Zombies is just so iconic and so fun and has

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>such crazy art. I mean, Sean Phillips like on a

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>book like this is just so crazy Rosie.

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you, how would you do in a

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>zombie apocalypse?

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Bad?

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Slow? I got to be slow zombies, slow classics, slow zombies.

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Classic slow zombies. I think I would do okay. I've

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 2>always planned wherever I've been living, I've always planned, like

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 2>where would I take over if there was a zombie

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 2>apocalypse and I knew I needed like a big space,

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 2>So I have my zombie apocalypse planned. But the reality

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 2>is I would probably just like fall over and get

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 2>eating by a zombie. Like I don't have any I

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 2>don't have any kind of like. I'm not going to

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 2>become like a Sarah Connor. I'm not going to get

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 2>like super buff. I'm just going to be hiding inside

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 2>a house eating beans or whatever like people do in

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 2>the zombie apocalypse and cold beans, like hoping for the best.

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>So I shouldn't really.

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Be out here judging the heroes.

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 1>What's the bean of England?

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Baked beans? They call them baked beans. It's not like

0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 2>American baked beans, so it's like a Pinies. It's a

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Heins baked bean. It is similar. It's like a small

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>white bean and then it's in tomato sauce. But doesn't

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 2>that may mean.

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:10.880
<v Speaker 1>The bean is it like the bean in like Italian

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>wedding soup, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, what is the.

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Kind of I don't know, let's look it up. What

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 2>is a Heinz baked bean? Because honestly, we're all just

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:19.840
<v Speaker 2>like it's a baked bean. But I will tell you something,

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 2>and yes, it is true. We do eat Heines baked

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:27.280
<v Speaker 2>beans on toast. That is the main way they are eating.

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm learning a lot here. It's I have to say,

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 2>it's it's pretty, It's it's pretty. Yes, harraw Cott beans

0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>that aka navy beans. Yes, and they were actually invented

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 2>in like eighteen eighty six. First saw that Bortenham and

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Mason fancy. Now you can just get them in any store.

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, Heines baked beans. Eat them on toast, butter

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 2>that toast, put some cheese on.

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 3>It.

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Uh. If I can get a Heinz baked bean, I

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 2>will not do it with no other baked beans.

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>That's the last time you had a classic English breakfast

0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 1>with beans?

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh? That was like when was I lost there in

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 2>like May? I went there for a step visit and uh,

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>and the hotel had like a full English breakfast including

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 2>baked beans.

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Of course I got to try one of these.

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, fill English breakfast is delicious. Maybe one day

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 2>we'll be going there, see what maybe maybe much five

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 2>years Marvels will be a movie and we'll be in

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 2>London for the filming.

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Much like Marvel Zombies. We're gonna have to leave this

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.359
<v Speaker 1>unresolved question of when we will eat it actually.

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Right now.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode Vision, Bean Watch, Bean Watched, We've

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<v Speaker 1>got another x r GC and that's it for this

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