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Speaker 1: Marvel Zombies on Disney Plus. Hello, my name is Jascontepsi
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are diving into the Marvel Zombies
Speaker 2: animated series. Can you believe it exists? I can barely
Speaker 2: believe it exists? And it's only four episodes long. So
Speaker 2: it's going to be a quick recap and then we'll
Speaker 2: have a combo about, you know, Marvel the animation Marvel Zombies.
Speaker 2: Where do we see it headed next? This is another
Speaker 2: interesting MCU project. I think we'll tell us more about
Speaker 2: what we're going in the future, both business wise and
Speaker 2: hopefully story wise.
Speaker 1: Okay. Episode one opens with a wonderful trio Kamalogy, Kate
Speaker 1: Bishop and Reerey Williams. There are scavenging and the zombie
Speaker 1: wasteland of what I think is New York City or
Speaker 1: it might be LA and they're looking for just you know,
Speaker 1: stuff to bring back to their little headquarters. And in
Speaker 1: the course of that, they find this weird little thing
Speaker 1: inside the stomach of a zombie, so they realize that
Speaker 1: it's Shield Tech. So they've set course for a Shield
Speaker 1: base in order to figure out what this thing is
Speaker 1: and to access it. Passing through the valley of the
Speaker 1: Broken Gauza attacked by zombies, Kate is killed by a
Speaker 1: zombie Captain, Marvel setting the kind of tone for the series,
Speaker 1: which is we're going to lose multiple characters per episode, which.
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, you know what, we are rarely ever
Speaker 2: going to get to see these big name characters get killed,
Speaker 2: so it is exciting, but also, like, I love Kate,
Speaker 2: so I was very sad about that. I did think
Speaker 2: it was interesting that they continue the thread here of
Speaker 2: the zombies still having the powers, which I always think
Speaker 2: is really right.
Speaker 1: They're very it takes some time for them to utilize
Speaker 1: get their skills back, but yeah, but they after they've
Speaker 1: been running around for a while, as we see.
Speaker 2: Because the Zombie Captain novel, she's got those powers for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, Zombie Hawkeye was really good as well.
Speaker 2: I love the idea that Zombie Hawkeye is just forever
Speaker 2: going around just shooting a Howard for all his that's
Speaker 2: his ars, Like, how does he get That's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 2: Does he pick them back up? Like I gotta know?
Speaker 1: So, Kate is killed by Captain Marvel. Re Re sacrifices
Speaker 1: herself to allow Kamala to escape. Kamala's rescue by Blade,
Speaker 1: who is now the avatar of Kanchu, though no one
Speaker 1: kind of believes him when he says. At Blade and
Speaker 1: Kamala reached the Shield base, they're greeted by the Russians Lena,
Speaker 1: Red Guardian, uh Malina, Mom and the daughters who are
Speaker 1: a kind of like squad of widows. And here's here's
Speaker 1: what I'll say.
Speaker 2: This is your spiciest take, Go for it.
Speaker 1: The voice acting for Molina, I'm just saying, the voice
Speaker 1: acting for Molina. The Russian accent is so bad that
Speaker 1: it almost made me feel like I thought we were
Speaker 1: using AI now, folks, like, can't we you know, like
Speaker 1: the Brutalist they fixed the Hungarian accents and the Brutalist
Speaker 1: using AI and everybody was up in arms about it.
Speaker 1: But honestly, listening to this, I'm like, maybe they were right.
Speaker 1: Maybe what you do in the maybe what you do
Speaker 1: in the future is you if you use AI to
Speaker 1: like tighten up an accent in the deleted scenes, you
Speaker 1: released the before and after version so people could be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, Okay, Yeah, I like almost out of it.
Speaker 2: I think the really interesting thing is I don't believe
Speaker 2: that they even brought back the actress who they did
Speaker 2: not bring Yeah, so it's no Rachel Wise. So in
Speaker 2: that case, I'm like, just hire somebody who has a
Speaker 2: Russian accent if you can't do it like they I'm like,
Speaker 2: if Rachel Wise doesn't have to be here doing the
Speaker 2: bad accent, then what's the point of having someone doing
Speaker 2: a bad accent? Yeah? It really it definitely took me out.
Speaker 2: Those accents are pretty outrageous.
Speaker 1: I'm sure others will say Vice's accent was not exactly
Speaker 1: Gangbusters either.
Speaker 2: True, I know, but I'm saying, if she's a big
Speaker 2: name and you've got her back, then you gotta deal
Speaker 2: with the accent that she's doing. Because she's Rachel Wise.
Speaker 2: I'd let her do whatever she wanted. But but when
Speaker 2: it's not Rachel Wise, like, maybe maybe we could have
Speaker 2: tightened it up a little bit. Lots of outrageous Russian accent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just cast someone with a better accent.
Speaker 1: Okay. So then we're at the Shield base. They turn
Speaker 1: on the transmitter. They figure out that it's a distress
Speaker 1: call that calls the Novercore, the space cops of the
Speaker 1: Marvel Universe, but it needs to be activated in space
Speaker 1: in order to activate that to trust call. However, the
Speaker 1: zombies are now like ringing the bass in a throng,
Speaker 1: seemingly like a million two million strong zombies led by
Speaker 1: a Koye, now the scion of the Queen of the Dead.
Speaker 1: She's got multiple superpowered zombies in the Horde, seemingly headlined
Speaker 1: by Abomination, Captain America with no legs, Ghost and Hawkeye.
Speaker 2: And Captain America is doing a lot without those legs.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, there's a really great fight. The fight
Speaker 1: between Red Guardian Captain America with no Legs is a
Speaker 1: highlight of the episode.
Speaker 2: That's top ten MC. You stop, it's so good, good stuff.
Speaker 1: So everybody has to flee this base because it's quickly
Speaker 1: being overrun. Despite the Widows and everybody's best efforts to
Speaker 1: like gun down the Horde, it's just they're simply like
Speaker 1: too many of them, And Molina ends up sacrificing herself
Speaker 1: to all the rest of the group to escape, thus
Speaker 1: saving us from further Russian voice acting. And we wonder
Speaker 1: if it wasn't purposeful, if they're like, well, do you
Speaker 1: really have to hire somebody just kill us?
Speaker 2: First responses to the first episode of Marvel Zombies.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a strong episode.
Speaker 2: I thought it was actually a very good first episode.
Speaker 2: This one kind of it had me questioning my own cynicism.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I was like, maybe there's something
Speaker 2: to this because they managed to keep the emotional stakes high.
Speaker 2: And I love obviously this kind of Young Avengers esque team.
Speaker 2: I love Kamala being at the front of this story
Speaker 2: because she's great and AmAm Vallani's voice acting is impeccable.
Speaker 2: Like the animation is also a step up from what
Speaker 2: we've seen before and what if, especially when it comes
Speaker 2: to the faces and emotional acting. So yeah, I found
Speaker 2: myself quite intrigued by this, though I will say they
Speaker 2: set up an early issue that I had with the
Speaker 2: zombification kind of law. Lor in this space is like
Speaker 2: a lot of these zombies, like a Koya. She's talking like,
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe there should be I think we're
Speaker 2: at the point of the zombie apocalypse now where maybe
Speaker 2: there should be a mediation rather than just like a
Speaker 2: full blown like we just got to kill them, because
Speaker 2: I feel like at some point they've gained some kind
Speaker 2: of sentient or understanding.
Speaker 1: Back, right, I mean, we certainly kind of get that
Speaker 1: with the appearance of the Queen of the Dead sort
Speaker 1: of yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean even a Koye as a scion is like
Speaker 2: she's talking to people, she's ordering people around, So I'm like,
Speaker 2: I at first thought she was the Queen of the Dead,
Speaker 2: but obviously to connect it to.
Speaker 1: I did find myself kind of wishing they were more
Speaker 1: simply mindless zombie. Yeah, they're just like attacking.
Speaker 2: Which was great. The Captain America zombie is definitely that,
Speaker 2: and that was really effective because also from the original
Speaker 2: you know, Marvel Zombies comic by Robert Kirkman and Mark
Speaker 2: Miller and Greg Land and all those guys, that vision
Speaker 2: of Captain America's zombie is so iconic. So I thought
Speaker 2: they did a really good job bringing that in and
Speaker 2: kind of like making it some of the most iconic
Speaker 2: kind of zombiefication moments, making sure that they were on
Speaker 2: the screen because people love this comic. They loved it
Speaker 2: when it came out, you know, twenty years ago, and
Speaker 2: the kids they love it now through YouTube. It was peak.
Speaker 1: It was peak. That was peak Zombie Revival. Also, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly twenty post twenty eight days post The Walking Dead.
Speaker 2: Which is why they got Yes, Robert kug went back
Speaker 2: to do this. So yeah, I'm very interested in that
Speaker 2: angle of it. But let's talk more. Let's go to
Speaker 2: episode two.
Speaker 1: We opened in San Francisco in the midst of the
Speaker 1: zombie outbreak, sometime before the events of Shang Chi the movie.
Speaker 1: So Chang Chi Katie and Jimmy Wou, who are still
Speaker 1: working at the restaurant, are saved by are saved by
Speaker 1: when we win the Ten Rings, when we sacrifices himself
Speaker 1: to keep shunk Chi alive. Years past, shang Chi, Katie,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Wou, and Death Dealer are part of like a
Speaker 1: mad Max existence out in the desert. They arrive in
Speaker 1: New Orleans, which is like a fortified camp run by
Speaker 1: Baron Zimo.
Speaker 2: Kind of it's and he and he's running the raft
Speaker 2: as like a hotel what you can survive the apocalypse.
Speaker 1: He also hates heroes, but like there's a lot of them. Here.
Speaker 2: I know, he's such a.
Speaker 1: He's such a hypocrite, he's such an end And this
Speaker 1: camp is like its economy is based purely on barter,
Speaker 1: like they came with cows so they were allowed in.
Speaker 2: So also, I just I do just want to say
Speaker 2: that I was one of the funniest moments of the
Speaker 2: season for me is when the Scrolls tried to steal
Speaker 2: the cows on the way out. That was a good,
Speaker 2: good little joke for the comic book heads.
Speaker 1: Couldn't all the carmartage wizards just like open a portal
Speaker 1: drop all the zombies through.
Speaker 2: The Seriously, Jason, there's so many questions about why the
Speaker 2: zombie was able to happen aka everyone is useless apparently.
Speaker 1: So at the city, Chang Chi and friends run into
Speaker 1: the survivors from episode one, Kamala, Blade, Elena, Red Guardian,
Speaker 1: et cetera. However, Baron Zimo, who hates heroes as he says,
Speaker 1: betrays the group to a group of underwaters zombies led
Speaker 1: by Naymar, who I was left wondering, shouldn't Naymore be
Speaker 1: weaker if he's like a little dryer, Like, aren't when
Speaker 1: you're dead? Aren't you dried?
Speaker 2: Out very interesting law here because also as well, I
Speaker 2: will say, if you can do a deal with name
Speaker 2: More and be like, I'm going to give you these
Speaker 2: heroes to eat, like again, I think you're calling into
Speaker 2: question the sentience of the zombies and their ability to.
Speaker 1: Make dal So that was a little bit.
Speaker 2: I do think that. I do think out of all
Speaker 2: the zombies we see, I think the Name of Zombie
Speaker 2: is the coolest, like scary reimagining of the characters. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of questions going on at
Speaker 2: this point about like how zombie Apocalypse kind of has
Speaker 2: continued at such a ray and just generally like the
Speaker 2: Avengers are not up to snuff.
Speaker 1: I do like that, even though it's extremely tropy. I
Speaker 1: do like that every episode essentially ends with Helm's deep yes.
Speaker 2: Every single time they're like, yeah, it better be a
Speaker 2: craziest team up you've ever seen, including a giant battle.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the city is overwhelmed by Name More zombie
Speaker 1: forces and everybody has to escape once again. As they're
Speaker 1: on their way to try and call the novacre, Kamala
Speaker 1: kills Anymore in a really cool actually way, and then
Speaker 1: she like blows his head off. But Lena is like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I've had enough of this.
Speaker 2: I'm done.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm done, done, done, Like I'm gonna stay here.
Speaker 1: You guys get out of here. Red Guardian's like by
Speaker 1: but they escape and let's escape to an ad break.
Speaker 1: We're great back and we're back Episode one oh two
Speaker 1: in the books. Now on to one oh three flashback. Wakanda,
Speaker 1: Spider Man, Black Panther, and Scott Lang's Head with the
Speaker 1: Cape of Levitation are fighting zombie Thanos and his five
Speaker 1: Infinity Stones. Thanos is obviously like super powerful. He like
Speaker 1: opens a chasm to the Earth to expose the vibranium
Speaker 1: in the Earth's core. Expose the molten vibranium to the
Speaker 1: Earth's core to Challa in order to stop the sacrifices
Speaker 1: himself to push that into the Earth's court. The energy
Speaker 1: of the stones sends out shock waves that warps reality.
Speaker 1: Spider Man and Scott Lang's Head are then saved by
Speaker 1: the Sorcerers of Carmartage. We go to the present day,
Speaker 1: come on and Crewe make it to New as Guard
Speaker 1: where everything's closed off. It's walled off. You're not allowed
Speaker 1: in unless you're God, So get out. Of here. But
Speaker 1: then Blade reveals like, oh yeah, like boom, kan Chu,
Speaker 1: I am the avatar of Kanchu, so let me have
Speaker 1: to let me in. Valkyrie's like, oh kan Chu, you
Speaker 1: crazy motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, se a pal.
Speaker 1: You had to see a pal. And it's like and
Speaker 1: I love that. Nobody else sees it. Also, like they're
Speaker 1: just like what they get in there, and it's just revels,
Speaker 1: just constant, like they're the gods of Asgard and the
Speaker 1: and the mini gods are just kind of passing the
Speaker 1: time drinking and partying and toasting to their fallen comrades.
Speaker 1: As Thor kind of sits there in this fad and
Speaker 1: like funk. You know, he's not he's not he's out
Speaker 1: of it. He's depressed. He's very sad at what's happened.
Speaker 1: So everybody's feasting there, and they're feasting not only to
Speaker 1: their phone comrades, but they're feasting as like a celebration
Speaker 1: of the Queen of Kovia, who's arrived there as a guest.
Speaker 1: And everyone's like, especially Zimo is like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have royalty, Like I grew up in Zacoba
Speaker 1: on the radio and beyond Zakovia and I don't recognize
Speaker 1: any like what queen. Everybody realizes, Oh shit, that's the
Speaker 1: Wait a second, that's Wanda maximum off the Queen of
Speaker 1: the Dead. But the betrayal is revealed. All the rebels
Speaker 1: revelers are like eating and drinking corpse pieces.
Speaker 2: Very scary.
Speaker 1: Everybody is forced to escape. We lose a ton of
Speaker 1: the crew here, but Blade, Shunk, Chi, Katie, Kamala, and
Speaker 1: Valkyrie do manage to escape. The ship shouts to Red Guardian,
Speaker 1: who ate so much zombie corpse food before.
Speaker 2: Wow, just like before amounts of free food.
Speaker 1: Wanda pulls them back until Thor shows up to you know,
Speaker 1: snapping out of his funk to fight her, but of
Speaker 1: course he sacrifices himself so everybody can escape. And when
Speaker 1: they get to space here it is we've gotten a
Speaker 1: space and we're gonna send this transmission in the Yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna call space nine one one and the Nova
Speaker 1: Corpse is gonna arrive. But when they dial nine one one,
Speaker 1: guess what they realized. Novacorp is already there, enforcing a
Speaker 1: quarantine around the entire planet. Nobody can leave, and if
Speaker 1: you do try to leave, you're gonna get and honestly, Like,
Speaker 1: I get it. I kind of understand. If you're the
Speaker 1: Nova coord like where there's superpowered zombies down there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: be careful.
Speaker 2: And like nobody's doing anything about apparently.
Speaker 1: Nobody's doing anything about it. And if one of them,
Speaker 1: because many of them can fly, just decides to fly
Speaker 1: up and out to space, like give Captain Marvel's like,
Speaker 1: well I'm going out into space to create more zombies.
Speaker 1: Then like you're all fucked. So I get it. I
Speaker 1: do get it. We go to episode one or four,
Speaker 1: your crew is shot down, but they are saved by
Speaker 1: the Sorcerers from camoutage.
Speaker 2: As you said, should have been doing a lot more. Honestly,
Speaker 2: that's my thing is like couldn't couldn't I in a
Speaker 2: little bit more?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if you open like Rintra that's been a
Speaker 1: big port get everybody together, open a big portal and
Speaker 1: just like Hoover the hoover the of zombies and just
Speaker 1: like have them falling, put it under the hord and
Speaker 1: just drop them out.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, when well when my nephew
Speaker 2: was a real little kid and I was younger, we
Speaker 2: would play this game a lot on the iPad. Code
Speaker 2: Hole Io it's very addictive. You basically are a hole,
Speaker 2: and the more you eat, the bigger the hole becomes.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking this whole time. I was like,
Speaker 2: imagine if Comatage had just been there during the Asgardian
Speaker 2: drama a whole of a new as God could have
Speaker 2: just drop them through a port or no problem, Like
Speaker 2: come on, guy, I do lovetra though. When I saw
Speaker 2: hi my chid humanoid cow fan.
Speaker 1: You are a humanoid Calfan and Rintra is our thus
Speaker 1: far soul canonical and see you humanoid from us seriously,
Speaker 1: big portal. Put the other portal either in another dimension
Speaker 1: or like over the sun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, directly into the sun. Just just blost them
Speaker 2: through that.
Speaker 1: Guys, and just like vacuum me.
Speaker 2: We know there is a lot of people at Commatage
Speaker 2: too who have those skills, so like, come.
Speaker 1: On, okay, So we get a reveal of some stuff
Speaker 1: that happened in the past. Turns out, when the Infinity
Speaker 1: Stones exploded in the battle previously, they use the Hulk
Speaker 1: to kind of absorb the excess energy, and so now
Speaker 1: he is just kind of inert guarding this like immense energy.
Speaker 1: He's just kind of like sitting there with this like
Speaker 1: huge infinite energy coursing through him. And of course Wanda,
Speaker 1: who professes that she really wants to end all this,
Speaker 1: that's her take, is like, hey, I healed myself and
Speaker 1: I'll be able to heal everyone. I just like need
Speaker 1: more power to do it. I promise, I promise. I
Speaker 1: know that I betrayed nu Asgard and seemingly like the
Speaker 1: destruction is NonStop and I'm doing absolutely nothing to rain
Speaker 1: in the zombies, despite the fact that I'm now ostensibly
Speaker 1: human deaths.
Speaker 2: And ostensibly that queen. And also, so the thing I
Speaker 2: think is interesting here is in the comics, they essentially
Speaker 2: established that there is sort of an addiction element to
Speaker 2: the zombification. I liked, and I think it's really interesting
Speaker 2: because then what they do is if you don't eat
Speaker 2: humans for a few weeks, you essentially start to revert
Speaker 2: to your human, not brain eating zombie ways. So I
Speaker 2: think that's really interesting. And obviously that changes here with
Speaker 2: the idea that kind of I'm guessing Wonder and her
Speaker 2: magic are the reason that she's able to kind of
Speaker 2: seem more human. But I don't trust the Queen of
Speaker 2: the Dead to be bringing people back to life like
Speaker 2: they made the right choice. I think not. I love Wonder,
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't have trusted her either.
Speaker 1: So we get the big endgame crossed with Helm's deep moment.
Speaker 1: As wan As Army is trying desperately to like break
Speaker 1: through the cordon of defenders like around Banner so that
Speaker 1: she can get to him. Yeah, everybody, people are dropping
Speaker 1: like flies. Now now we're lose heroes left, right, and center.
Speaker 1: Kamala tries to fight Wanda, which apparently Wanda wanted to
Speaker 1: like draw her close enough to her so that she
Speaker 1: can also steal her power. The Hulk's energy is transferred
Speaker 1: through Wanda to Kamala. Kamala and and the Queen of
Speaker 1: the Dead is like, remember how I promised like I
Speaker 1: was going to fix everything? Boom, It's fixed. Tamala then
Speaker 1: wakes up back in her house Jersey City. Everything's normal,
Speaker 1: rereincate there at the door. They want to get boba.
Speaker 1: It's been a long time since you got boba. She
Speaker 1: goes to get boba. She's so excited about the boba,
Speaker 1: but something feels off, It feels too pat and we
Speaker 1: get these flashes of like the zombie reality and of
Speaker 1: re reholding back waves of zombies, being like, we need
Speaker 1: you help, help, help, help help, as Wanda zombie visage
Speaker 1: flashes across the screen, and then we go back to
Speaker 1: the placid, normal Jersey City reality, and then the show
Speaker 1: infuriatingly ends.
Speaker 2: Yes, very infuriating. Let's go, let's go to a break
Speaker 2: and then we'll come and talk about that.
Speaker 1: And we're back. I was having a I want to
Speaker 1: say that I was having a great time with Marvel Zombies.
Speaker 2: I was really enjoyed animations bad. It looks good fun, Yeah,
Speaker 2: crazy concept like it's on Disney Plus, enjoy it like that.
Speaker 1: Actually great. As Aaron was pointing out, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of trophy, like everybody's sacrificing themselves and that's basically the
Speaker 1: end of every episode is Yeah, it's definitely repintitive.
Speaker 2: But zombidy.
Speaker 1: I didn't mind. I didn't care. I really liked it,
Speaker 1: and I thought the build was fantastic, And so when
Speaker 1: they ended the episode with no ending, no resolution at all,
Speaker 1: I am honestly like shocked. Now, we just got done
Speaker 1: recording a Peacemaker episode in which we praised and exact
Speaker 1: and praised James Gunn's ability to set up the scaffolding
Speaker 1: that holds up his universe with the caveat to say that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's what there is Creature, Commando's Superman and Peacemakers.
Speaker 1: So there's like really only three plus the suicide Squad
Speaker 1: which he's picked in cheese, which parts of that to
Speaker 1: bring back. Yeah, and so there's less stuff. But if
Speaker 1: I was confident that this was leading to some other thing, agreed,
Speaker 1: I would be much more stoked and excited. As it
Speaker 1: stands now, I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: I know it's I agree with you? I think again.
Speaker 2: This is something that I have been talking about since
Speaker 2: the original series of What If, where they had that
Speaker 2: incredible episode four where they introduced this kind of supreme
Speaker 2: Strange who had all of these he'd done all these
Speaker 2: crazy things and eating all these crazy demons and taking
Speaker 2: on all these powers, and it felt so much like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's going to be related to Multiverse of Madness. Incorrect.
Speaker 2: They created a whole new character. I think they have
Speaker 2: struggled to commit to the animated stuff the way that
Speaker 2: James Gunn has, and I think he learned a lesson
Speaker 2: from that, because even just the feeling of having Rick
Speaker 2: Flagg Senia come over from Creature Commandos two Peacemaker feels
Speaker 2: so impactful and feels so cool, and the fact that
Speaker 2: it's the same actor, which again dc has been doing
Speaker 2: for a while. They had Matt Ryan who was Constantine
Speaker 2: in their cwuniverse voice the Doomsday Wore kind of the
Speaker 2: final DCAU movie Apocalypse was so great, and so they've
Speaker 2: been doing it for a while, and it is cool
Speaker 2: to have the voice actors here. As I said in
Speaker 2: mam Vallani killing it with the voice acting, I don't
Speaker 2: know if there's anything she can't do. She's amazing. But
Speaker 2: when it ends like this and they essentially say, hey,
Speaker 2: this universe is now in like a House of m
Speaker 2: esque situation where everyone is being kept and the thing
Speaker 2: is this annoys me the most about it. Again, it
Speaker 2: feels like it would be so easy to tie into
Speaker 2: the end of that Man Quantumania, where there's that kind
Speaker 2: of feeling that Scott knows something is wrong in the universe, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't know what. And there's the kind of
Speaker 2: this I love this idea that all the heroes think
Speaker 2: everything is okay, and that could potentially lead to them
Speaker 2: not feeling whatever this next giant threat is going to
Speaker 2: be in the MCU, which is obviously going to be
Speaker 2: Doctor Doom. But yeah, the ending where they just kind
Speaker 2: of tried to go for like it's a bleak like ending.
Speaker 2: I was like, come on, guys, I'm like, I need
Speaker 2: one more episode, Like you don't have the juice to
Speaker 2: just leave us hanging like this.
Speaker 1: I want to say, because I did voice some a
Speaker 1: note of critique in our pre like before returned. The
Speaker 1: MIC's on and I'm like, why is Kamala still like
Speaker 1: blown away that she's.
Speaker 2: I do think you have to we have to talk
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 1: I have to now. Let me say Ivan Joelle, I
Speaker 1: think rightly pushedback that, like you didn't get it, annoyed
Speaker 1: it Spider Man. I think there are some differences, important differences,
Speaker 1: and some similarities that I think I've been thinking about.
Speaker 1: Here's why I think it bothers me in the context
Speaker 1: of this show. I like the pluckiness, and I think
Speaker 1: she should be amazed. I think that's like obviously a
Speaker 1: big part of it.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 1: It's like the amazement should have been holy shit, you're
Speaker 1: still alive, not yes, Wow, it's Spider Man, Like you're
Speaker 1: fighting alongside heroes now, And I get it like it
Speaker 1: to me, it should have been it should have been
Speaker 1: more that like, oh my god, Spider Man, you made it.
Speaker 1: Holy cow, Like, you know, the world is like overrun
Speaker 1: by billions of zombies and you and many famous and
Speaker 1: iconic and beloved heroes including Captain Amaric, the Hulk and
Speaker 1: more have fallen by the wayside, and yet you still live.
Speaker 1: Like I thought that, and the fact that it was
Speaker 1: just kind of like immediately snapped back to Jersey City,
Speaker 1: Kamala like like that was the part of it that
Speaker 1: like bugged me a little bit because it felt a
Speaker 1: little out of world.
Speaker 3: I felt the reality of it is like the way
Speaker 3: you do it that makes sense is at first, she's
Speaker 3: just so glad that they're all there and they're fighting
Speaker 3: and you've got the backup, and then you know, she
Speaker 3: could have a little like in a moment of fighting,
Speaker 3: like I can't believe I'm fighting alongside.
Speaker 2: You and someone else is like com Comala, there's a
Speaker 2: fucking zombies, Like they's zombies. You know, you could have that,
Speaker 2: But yeah, the fact that she's just still like that,
Speaker 2: like I don't know how many years in this is
Speaker 2: meant to be at this point, Yeah, I do think
Speaker 2: that that is a writing issue. I will also say
Speaker 2: I think the reason it didn't feel so over the
Speaker 2: top with Peters because they allow him to have other
Speaker 2: interests and other powersons and other friends and stuff. And
Speaker 2: Kamala her her main passion has been the other Avengers,
Speaker 2: and I do think in Man brings that so well
Speaker 2: to the screen. But yeah, let's broaden it out. Let's
Speaker 2: give us some more to do. If this is her,
Speaker 2: you know, she's this is her world now that has
Speaker 2: been destroyed, and I.
Speaker 1: Guess she's ever going to resolve the end of this show.
Speaker 1: Do you think that we're just gonna I think.
Speaker 2: What it's going to be is I think there will
Speaker 2: be like a throwaway callback in the MCU where she'll
Speaker 2: be like, don't you remember that time we thought zombies
Speaker 2: together or something? And they'll be like no, and that
Speaker 2: will be like it. That's my guess, because I don't think.
Speaker 2: While I do think that the Disney animation experiment for
Speaker 2: Marvel has been positive, I think that overall the positive
Speaker 2: over under is good. I think kids love what If.
Speaker 2: I think it added a lot of law. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of YouTube videos about what If, and that is
Speaker 2: a way that kids, fire and entertainment nowadays. I will
Speaker 2: also say I don't necessarily think it's been like wholly successful.
Speaker 2: It's had huge, huge he'll talk about you know, because
Speaker 2: I think the X Men ninety seven is a ten
Speaker 2: out of ten unbelievable piece of gorgeous animation. Didn't you know?
Speaker 2: Had its problems, had its behind the scenes problems. We
Speaker 2: are still yet to understand why Bodomeo was fired or left,
Speaker 2: and we know he's not coming back for season two
Speaker 2: and that they've rewritten a bunch of season two, so
Speaker 2: we don't know what the status of that is. But
Speaker 2: the first season is absolutely stunning. But I don't think
Speaker 2: that I.
Speaker 1: Will say that his online presence post firing leads me
Speaker 1: to believe it was maybe not without cause.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh no, no, no, I agree, But I also
Speaker 2: I also need to know, like many people who get
Speaker 2: fired with dressed cause will disappear from the internet for
Speaker 2: a while, take a little time off. Not Bodomeo, like
Speaker 2: whatever's going on, he is able to talk about it
Speaker 2: or settlement there. He's still he's still there, you can
Speaker 2: still see his thoughts. But in general, like X Men
Speaker 2: ninety seven, I would say it was the peak of
Speaker 2: what they've tried to do. It was beautifully animated, it
Speaker 2: was you know, dropped week to week, so we had
Speaker 2: with episode five that huge conversation about Remy and about
Speaker 2: Rogue and about it became the water cooler conversation show.
Speaker 2: And I think even though what If was maybe never
Speaker 2: gonna be that. In the same way, though, I will
Speaker 2: say first season being dropped weekly did help. I covered
Speaker 2: it weekly at Den of Geek. We got a lot
Speaker 2: of readers who wanted to understand the show. I think
Speaker 2: that the what If universe being the thing that they
Speaker 2: have expanded with this Zombies, I don't necessarily know if
Speaker 2: that was the correct choice. Like if I was in
Speaker 2: charge of this, I would have probably pitched to them, hey,
Speaker 2: what if you make Marvel Zombies its own kind of
Speaker 2: standalone thing, maybe new animation style. Though the animation here
Speaker 2: is better, but I think like it's tied to what
Speaker 2: If is gonna put a lot of people off, Whereas
Speaker 2: I think Marvel Zombies as a brand and as a
Speaker 2: name and as a title has so much weight. Like
Speaker 2: when I worked in the comic shop, it was like
Speaker 2: ten eleven years after this thing had come out, and
Speaker 2: people still always wanted it like the Kirkman doing Marble Zombies.
Speaker 2: It's so iconic. Obviously, the story is essentially completely different here. Fine,
Speaker 2: it's an adaptation, but I don't think I think, once again,
Speaker 2: I think this showcases more of the issues with the
Speaker 2: Marvel animation format than the best of what it can do,
Speaker 2: like they did with with X Men.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Marvel Zombies comic. It's one of
Speaker 1: my favorites.
Speaker 2: I mean, legendary.
Speaker 1: It was there in that era early two thousands. I
Speaker 1: was actually coming back into being a regular comics reader
Speaker 1: after like a lot of time off, like I was,
Speaker 1: I was picking up trades and following it that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the period before then, but in the early two thousands,
Speaker 1: I'm like, with with Ultimates and the Ultimate Universe, with
Speaker 1: what was going with the X Men at the time,
Speaker 1: and particularly with the Walking Dead, and with then the
Speaker 1: Clear knockoff, but also very very fun Marvel Zombies. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm back in, and Marvel
Speaker 1: Zombies is like to me, it just like represents that
Speaker 1: period of comics, which I think, you know, looking back,
Speaker 1: was kind of like a mini Golden euro Oh, definitely
Speaker 1: twenty first century.
Speaker 2: It was. It was really interesting post the Boom and
Speaker 2: Bust at the end essentially when then Joe Casada is
Speaker 2: that and they're making weird stuff. They're making the Punisher
Speaker 2: Frankenstein comic in their late nineties early zeros, they're leading
Speaker 2: into doing like Marvel zombies. There was a freedom here
Speaker 2: and also an interest in bringing in creators who maybe
Speaker 2: hadn't done books before or maybe didn't get the big
Speaker 2: big So yeah, this was definitely a really interesting time.
Speaker 2: I will also say in the comics, like the zombies
Speaker 2: do retain their intelligence their powers, and that makes them
Speaker 2: way more scary and in something I love which you know,
Speaker 2: we were never probably going to get in this. The
Speaker 2: reason that the zombie outbreak is able to go global
Speaker 2: in this universe is because Quicksar is a zombie, so
Speaker 2: he goes around he's spreading the infection, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 2: very very interesting stuff because also Kirkman's kind of establishing
Speaker 2: a lot of law in this which makes sense posts
Speaker 2: Walking Dead. You know, you can't eat a zombie, can't
Speaker 2: eat another zombie and stuff like that in this universe
Speaker 2: because it will make them sick. Also, even people with
Speaker 2: healing powers are getting infected. At Wolverine, Hulk Deadpool. But interestingly, again,
Speaker 2: you can even have characters who are not necessarily taken
Speaker 2: over fully because their healing factor is instantly helping them
Speaker 2: kind of fight it off. But the Dombe apocalypse there
Speaker 2: is so big that it does convert the high gods
Speaker 2: of Asgard, like that's a nod to it. Like it's
Speaker 2: so interesting to me because there's so much weird stuff
Speaker 2: in Marvel Zombies where they get all the mechanical creatures
Speaker 2: like Ultron and Machine Man and Jocasta to come and help,
Speaker 2: and there we was just so much that you know,
Speaker 2: they couldn't do in the series, and I get it.
Speaker 2: But if you haven't read Marvel Zombies, you've got to
Speaker 2: go and read it because it's so influential. I mean,
Speaker 2: DC is really just a few years ago started their
Speaker 2: version called Deceased with Tom Taylor writing it, and that
Speaker 2: has become one of the most successful comics for them,
Speaker 2: even though it was started, you know, fifteen years kind
Speaker 2: of after Marvel did their version. So, I mean, Marvel
Speaker 2: Zombies is just so iconic and so fun and has
Speaker 2: such crazy art. I mean, Sean Phillips like on a
Speaker 2: book like this is just so crazy Rosie.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, how would you do in a
Speaker 1: zombie apocalypse?
Speaker 2: Bad?
Speaker 1: Slow? I got to be slow zombies, slow classics, slow zombies.
Speaker 2: Classic slow zombies. I think I would do okay. I've
Speaker 2: always planned wherever I've been living, I've always planned, like
Speaker 2: where would I take over if there was a zombie
Speaker 2: apocalypse and I knew I needed like a big space,
Speaker 2: So I have my zombie apocalypse planned. But the reality
Speaker 2: is I would probably just like fall over and get
Speaker 2: eating by a zombie. Like I don't have any I
Speaker 2: don't have any kind of like. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: become like a Sarah Connor. I'm not going to get
Speaker 2: like super buff. I'm just going to be hiding inside
Speaker 2: a house eating beans or whatever like people do in
Speaker 2: the zombie apocalypse and cold beans, like hoping for the best.
Speaker 1: So I shouldn't really.
Speaker 2: Be out here judging the heroes.
Speaker 1: What's the bean of England?
Speaker 2: Baked beans? They call them baked beans. It's not like
Speaker 2: American baked beans, so it's like a Pinies. It's a
Speaker 2: Heins baked bean. It is similar. It's like a small
Speaker 2: white bean and then it's in tomato sauce. But doesn't
Speaker 2: that may mean.
Speaker 1: The bean is it like the bean in like Italian
Speaker 1: wedding soup, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, what is the.
Speaker 2: Kind of I don't know, let's look it up. What
Speaker 2: is a Heinz baked bean? Because honestly, we're all just
Speaker 2: like it's a baked bean. But I will tell you something,
Speaker 2: and yes, it is true. We do eat Heines baked
Speaker 2: beans on toast. That is the main way they are eating.
Speaker 2: I'm learning a lot here. It's I have to say,
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty, It's it's pretty. Yes, harraw Cott beans
Speaker 2: that aka navy beans. Yes, and they were actually invented
Speaker 2: in like eighteen eighty six. First saw that Bortenham and
Speaker 2: Mason fancy. Now you can just get them in any store.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Heines baked beans. Eat them on toast, butter
Speaker 2: that toast, put some cheese on.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 2: Uh. If I can get a Heinz baked bean, I
Speaker 2: will not do it with no other baked beans.
Speaker 1: That's the last time you had a classic English breakfast
Speaker 1: with beans?
Speaker 2: Oh? That was like when was I lost there in
Speaker 2: like May? I went there for a step visit and uh,
Speaker 2: and the hotel had like a full English breakfast including
Speaker 2: baked beans.
Speaker 1: Of course I got to try one of these.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, fill English breakfast is delicious. Maybe one day
Speaker 2: we'll be going there, see what maybe maybe much five
Speaker 2: years Marvels will be a movie and we'll be in
Speaker 2: London for the filming.
Speaker 1: Much like Marvel Zombies. We're gonna have to leave this
Speaker 1: unresolved question of when we will eat it actually.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 1: On the next episode Vision, Bean Watch, Bean Watched, We've
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