1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contain spoilers for all four episodes of 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Marvel Zombies on Disney Plus. Hello, my name is Jascontepsi 3 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: Canmerzy night. Welcome back to Extra Vision, the podcast where 4 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: you got your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. 5 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: Coming to you from our podcast where we're bringing you 6 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: three episodes a week Saturday Saturday. 7 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are diving into the Marvel Zombies 8 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: animated series. Can you believe it exists? I can barely 9 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: believe it exists? And it's only four episodes long. So 10 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 2: it's going to be a quick recap and then we'll 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: have a combo about, you know, Marvel the animation Marvel Zombies. 12 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: Where do we see it headed next? This is another 13 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: interesting MCU project. I think we'll tell us more about 14 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: what we're going in the future, both business wise and 15 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: hopefully story wise. 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: Okay. Episode one opens with a wonderful trio Kamalogy, Kate 17 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: Bishop and Reerey Williams. There are scavenging and the zombie 18 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: wasteland of what I think is New York City or 19 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: it might be LA and they're looking for just you know, 20 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: stuff to bring back to their little headquarters. And in 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: the course of that, they find this weird little thing 22 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: inside the stomach of a zombie, so they realize that 23 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: it's Shield Tech. So they've set course for a Shield 24 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: base in order to figure out what this thing is 25 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: and to access it. Passing through the valley of the 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: Broken Gauza attacked by zombies, Kate is killed by a 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: zombie Captain, Marvel setting the kind of tone for the series, 28 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 1: which is we're going to lose multiple characters per episode, which. 29 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: I like, yeah, you know what, we are rarely ever 30 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: going to get to see these big name characters get killed, 31 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: so it is exciting, but also, like, I love Kate, 32 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: so I was very sad about that. I did think 33 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: it was interesting that they continue the thread here of 34 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 2: the zombies still having the powers, which I always think 35 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: is really right. 36 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: They're very it takes some time for them to utilize 37 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: get their skills back, but yeah, but they after they've 38 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: been running around for a while, as we see. 39 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: Because the Zombie Captain novel, she's got those powers for sure. 40 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Zombie Hawkeye was really good as well. 41 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: I love the idea that Zombie Hawkeye is just forever 42 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 2: going around just shooting a Howard for all his that's 43 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: his ars, Like, how does he get That's what I'm wondering. 44 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: Does he pick them back up? Like I gotta know? 45 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: So, Kate is killed by Captain Marvel. Re Re sacrifices 46 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: herself to allow Kamala to escape. Kamala's rescue by Blade, 47 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: who is now the avatar of Kanchu, though no one 48 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: kind of believes him when he says. At Blade and 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: Kamala reached the Shield base, they're greeted by the Russians Lena, 50 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: Red Guardian, uh Malina, Mom and the daughters who are 51 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: a kind of like squad of widows. And here's here's 52 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: what I'll say. 53 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: This is your spiciest take, Go for it. 54 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: The voice acting for Molina, I'm just saying, the voice 55 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: acting for Molina. The Russian accent is so bad that 56 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: it almost made me feel like I thought we were 57 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: using AI now, folks, like, can't we you know, like 58 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: the Brutalist they fixed the Hungarian accents and the Brutalist 59 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: using AI and everybody was up in arms about it. 60 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: But honestly, listening to this, I'm like, maybe they were right. 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: Maybe what you do in the maybe what you do 62 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: in the future is you if you use AI to 63 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: like tighten up an accent in the deleted scenes, you 64 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: released the before and after version so people could be like, 65 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: you know what, Okay, Yeah, I like almost out of it. 66 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: I think the really interesting thing is I don't believe 67 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: that they even brought back the actress who they did 68 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: not bring Yeah, so it's no Rachel Wise. So in 69 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: that case, I'm like, just hire somebody who has a 70 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: Russian accent if you can't do it like they I'm like, 71 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: if Rachel Wise doesn't have to be here doing the 72 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: bad accent, then what's the point of having someone doing 73 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: a bad accent? Yeah? It really it definitely took me out. 74 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: Those accents are pretty outrageous. 75 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure others will say Vice's accent was not exactly 76 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: Gangbusters either. 77 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: True, I know, but I'm saying, if she's a big 78 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 2: name and you've got her back, then you gotta deal 79 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: with the accent that she's doing. Because she's Rachel Wise. 80 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: I'd let her do whatever she wanted. But but when 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: it's not Rachel Wise, like, maybe maybe we could have 82 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: tightened it up a little bit. Lots of outrageous Russian accent. Yeah, 83 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,119 Speaker 2: just cast someone with a better accent. 84 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: Okay. So then we're at the Shield base. They turn 85 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: on the transmitter. They figure out that it's a distress 86 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: call that calls the Novercore, the space cops of the 87 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: Marvel Universe, but it needs to be activated in space 88 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: in order to activate that to trust call. However, the 89 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: zombies are now like ringing the bass in a throng, 90 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: seemingly like a million two million strong zombies led by 91 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: a Koye, now the scion of the Queen of the Dead. 92 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: She's got multiple superpowered zombies in the Horde, seemingly headlined 93 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,119 Speaker 1: by Abomination, Captain America with no legs, Ghost and Hawkeye. 94 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: And Captain America is doing a lot without those legs. 95 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: Like I mean, there's a really great fight. The fight 96 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: between Red Guardian Captain America with no Legs is a 97 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: highlight of the episode. 98 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: That's top ten MC. You stop, it's so good, good stuff. 99 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: So everybody has to flee this base because it's quickly 100 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: being overrun. Despite the Widows and everybody's best efforts to 101 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: like gun down the Horde, it's just they're simply like 102 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 1: too many of them, And Molina ends up sacrificing herself 103 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: to all the rest of the group to escape, thus 104 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: saving us from further Russian voice acting. And we wonder 105 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: if it wasn't purposeful, if they're like, well, do you 106 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: really have to hire somebody just kill us? 107 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: First responses to the first episode of Marvel Zombies. 108 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: I thought it was a strong episode. 109 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: I thought it was actually a very good first episode. 110 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 2: This one kind of it had me questioning my own cynicism. 111 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I was like, maybe there's something 112 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: to this because they managed to keep the emotional stakes high. 113 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: And I love obviously this kind of Young Avengers esque team. 114 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: I love Kamala being at the front of this story 115 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: because she's great and AmAm Vallani's voice acting is impeccable. 116 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: Like the animation is also a step up from what 117 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: we've seen before and what if, especially when it comes 118 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 2: to the faces and emotional acting. So yeah, I found 119 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: myself quite intrigued by this, though I will say they 120 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: set up an early issue that I had with the 121 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: zombification kind of law. Lor in this space is like 122 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: a lot of these zombies, like a Koya. She's talking like, 123 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: I feel like maybe there should be I think we're 124 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: at the point of the zombie apocalypse now where maybe 125 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: there should be a mediation rather than just like a 126 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: full blown like we just got to kill them, because 127 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: I feel like at some point they've gained some kind 128 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: of sentient or understanding. 129 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: Back, right, I mean, we certainly kind of get that 130 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: with the appearance of the Queen of the Dead sort 131 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: of yeah. 132 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: I mean even a Koye as a scion is like 133 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: she's talking to people, she's ordering people around, So I'm like, 134 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: I at first thought she was the Queen of the Dead, 135 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: but obviously to connect it to. 136 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: I did find myself kind of wishing they were more 137 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: simply mindless zombie. Yeah, they're just like attacking. 138 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: Which was great. The Captain America zombie is definitely that, 139 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: and that was really effective because also from the original 140 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: you know, Marvel Zombies comic by Robert Kirkman and Mark 141 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: Miller and Greg Land and all those guys, that vision 142 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: of Captain America's zombie is so iconic. So I thought 143 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: they did a really good job bringing that in and 144 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: kind of like making it some of the most iconic 145 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: kind of zombiefication moments, making sure that they were on 146 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: the screen because people love this comic. They loved it 147 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: when it came out, you know, twenty years ago, and 148 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: the kids they love it now through YouTube. It was peak. 149 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: It was peak. That was peak Zombie Revival. Also, yeah, 150 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: exactly twenty post twenty eight days post The Walking Dead. 151 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: Which is why they got Yes, Robert kug went back 152 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: to do this. So yeah, I'm very interested in that 153 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: angle of it. But let's talk more. Let's go to 154 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: episode two. 155 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: We opened in San Francisco in the midst of the 156 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: zombie outbreak, sometime before the events of Shang Chi the movie. 157 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: So Chang Chi Katie and Jimmy Wou, who are still 158 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: working at the restaurant, are saved by are saved by 159 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: when we win the Ten Rings, when we sacrifices himself 160 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: to keep shunk Chi alive. Years past, shang Chi, Katie, 161 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: Jimmy Wou, and Death Dealer are part of like a 162 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: mad Max existence out in the desert. They arrive in 163 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: New Orleans, which is like a fortified camp run by 164 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: Baron Zimo. 165 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: Kind of it's and he and he's running the raft 166 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: as like a hotel what you can survive the apocalypse. 167 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: He also hates heroes, but like there's a lot of them. Here. 168 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: I know, he's such a. 169 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: He's such a hypocrite, he's such an end And this 170 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: camp is like its economy is based purely on barter, 171 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: like they came with cows so they were allowed in. 172 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: So also, I just I do just want to say 173 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: that I was one of the funniest moments of the 174 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: season for me is when the Scrolls tried to steal 175 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: the cows on the way out. That was a good, 176 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: good little joke for the comic book heads. 177 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: Couldn't all the carmartage wizards just like open a portal 178 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: drop all the zombies through. 179 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: The Seriously, Jason, there's so many questions about why the 180 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: zombie was able to happen aka everyone is useless apparently. 181 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: So at the city, Chang Chi and friends run into 182 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: the survivors from episode one, Kamala, Blade, Elena, Red Guardian, 183 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: et cetera. However, Baron Zimo, who hates heroes as he says, 184 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: betrays the group to a group of underwaters zombies led 185 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: by Naymar, who I was left wondering, shouldn't Naymore be 186 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: weaker if he's like a little dryer, Like, aren't when 187 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: you're dead? Aren't you dried? 188 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: Out very interesting law here because also as well, I 189 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: will say, if you can do a deal with name 190 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: More and be like, I'm going to give you these 191 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: heroes to eat, like again, I think you're calling into 192 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: question the sentience of the zombies and their ability to. 193 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: Make dal So that was a little bit. 194 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: I do think that. I do think out of all 195 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: the zombies we see, I think the Name of Zombie 196 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: is the coolest, like scary reimagining of the characters. But yeah, 197 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of questions going on at 198 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: this point about like how zombie Apocalypse kind of has 199 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: continued at such a ray and just generally like the 200 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: Avengers are not up to snuff. 201 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: I do like that, even though it's extremely tropy. I 202 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: do like that every episode essentially ends with Helm's deep yes. 203 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: Every single time they're like, yeah, it better be a 204 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: craziest team up you've ever seen, including a giant battle. 205 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the city is overwhelmed by Name More zombie 206 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: forces and everybody has to escape once again. As they're 207 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: on their way to try and call the novacre, Kamala 208 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: kills Anymore in a really cool actually way, and then 209 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: she like blows his head off. But Lena is like, 210 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: you know what, I've had enough of this. 211 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 2: I'm done. 212 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: I don't I'm done, done, done, Like I'm gonna stay here. 213 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: You guys get out of here. Red Guardian's like by 214 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: but they escape and let's escape to an ad break. 215 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: We're great back and we're back Episode one oh two 216 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: in the books. Now on to one oh three flashback. Wakanda, 217 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: Spider Man, Black Panther, and Scott Lang's Head with the 218 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: Cape of Levitation are fighting zombie Thanos and his five 219 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: Infinity Stones. Thanos is obviously like super powerful. He like 220 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: opens a chasm to the Earth to expose the vibranium 221 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: in the Earth's core. Expose the molten vibranium to the 222 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: Earth's core to Challa in order to stop the sacrifices 223 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: himself to push that into the Earth's court. The energy 224 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: of the stones sends out shock waves that warps reality. 225 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: Spider Man and Scott Lang's Head are then saved by 226 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: the Sorcerers of Carmartage. We go to the present day, 227 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: come on and Crewe make it to New as Guard 228 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: where everything's closed off. It's walled off. You're not allowed 229 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: in unless you're God, So get out. Of here. But 230 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: then Blade reveals like, oh yeah, like boom, kan Chu, 231 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: I am the avatar of Kanchu, so let me have 232 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: to let me in. Valkyrie's like, oh kan Chu, you 233 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: crazy motherfucker. 234 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, se a pal. 235 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: You had to see a pal. And it's like and 236 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: I love that. Nobody else sees it. Also, like they're 237 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: just like what they get in there, and it's just revels, 238 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: just constant, like they're the gods of Asgard and the 239 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: and the mini gods are just kind of passing the 240 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: time drinking and partying and toasting to their fallen comrades. 241 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: As Thor kind of sits there in this fad and 242 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: like funk. You know, he's not he's not he's out 243 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: of it. He's depressed. He's very sad at what's happened. 244 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: So everybody's feasting there, and they're feasting not only to 245 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: their phone comrades, but they're feasting as like a celebration 246 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: of the Queen of Kovia, who's arrived there as a guest. 247 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: And everyone's like, especially Zimo is like, well, you know, 248 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: we didn't have royalty, Like I grew up in Zacoba 249 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: on the radio and beyond Zakovia and I don't recognize 250 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: any like what queen. Everybody realizes, Oh shit, that's the 251 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: Wait a second, that's Wanda maximum off the Queen of 252 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: the Dead. But the betrayal is revealed. All the rebels 253 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: revelers are like eating and drinking corpse pieces. 254 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: Very scary. 255 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: Everybody is forced to escape. We lose a ton of 256 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: the crew here, but Blade, Shunk, Chi, Katie, Kamala, and 257 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: Valkyrie do manage to escape. The ship shouts to Red Guardian, 258 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: who ate so much zombie corpse food before. 259 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: Wow, just like before amounts of free food. 260 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: Wanda pulls them back until Thor shows up to you know, 261 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: snapping out of his funk to fight her, but of 262 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: course he sacrifices himself so everybody can escape. And when 263 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: they get to space here it is we've gotten a 264 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: space and we're gonna send this transmission in the Yes, 265 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna call space nine one one and the Nova 266 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: Corpse is gonna arrive. But when they dial nine one one, 267 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: guess what they realized. Novacorp is already there, enforcing a 268 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: quarantine around the entire planet. Nobody can leave, and if 269 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: you do try to leave, you're gonna get and honestly, Like, 270 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: I get it. I kind of understand. If you're the 271 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: Nova coord like where there's superpowered zombies down there, Yeah, 272 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: be careful. 273 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: And like nobody's doing anything about apparently. 274 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: Nobody's doing anything about it. And if one of them, 275 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: because many of them can fly, just decides to fly 276 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: up and out to space, like give Captain Marvel's like, 277 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: well I'm going out into space to create more zombies. 278 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: Then like you're all fucked. So I get it. I 279 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: do get it. We go to episode one or four, 280 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: your crew is shot down, but they are saved by 281 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: the Sorcerers from camoutage. 282 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: As you said, should have been doing a lot more. Honestly, 283 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: that's my thing is like couldn't couldn't I in a 284 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: little bit more? 285 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if you open like Rintra that's been a 286 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: big port get everybody together, open a big portal and 287 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: just like Hoover the hoover the of zombies and just 288 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: like have them falling, put it under the hord and 289 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: just drop them out. 290 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: When I was a kid, when well when my nephew 291 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: was a real little kid and I was younger, we 292 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: would play this game a lot on the iPad. Code 293 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 2: Hole Io it's very addictive. You basically are a hole, 294 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 2: and the more you eat, the bigger the hole becomes. 295 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: And I was thinking this whole time. I was like, 296 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 2: imagine if Comatage had just been there during the Asgardian 297 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: drama a whole of a new as God could have 298 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: just drop them through a port or no problem, Like 299 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: come on, guy, I do lovetra though. When I saw 300 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: hi my chid humanoid cow fan. 301 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: You are a humanoid Calfan and Rintra is our thus 302 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: far soul canonical and see you humanoid from us seriously, 303 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: big portal. Put the other portal either in another dimension 304 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: or like over the sun. 305 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, directly into the sun. Just just blost them 306 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: through that. 307 00:17:58,520 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: Guys, and just like vacuum me. 308 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: We know there is a lot of people at Commatage 309 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: too who have those skills, so like, come. 310 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: On, okay, So we get a reveal of some stuff 311 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: that happened in the past. Turns out, when the Infinity 312 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: Stones exploded in the battle previously, they use the Hulk 313 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: to kind of absorb the excess energy, and so now 314 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: he is just kind of inert guarding this like immense energy. 315 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: He's just kind of like sitting there with this like 316 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: huge infinite energy coursing through him. And of course Wanda, 317 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: who professes that she really wants to end all this, 318 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: that's her take, is like, hey, I healed myself and 319 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: I'll be able to heal everyone. I just like need 320 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: more power to do it. I promise, I promise. I 321 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: know that I betrayed nu Asgard and seemingly like the 322 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: destruction is NonStop and I'm doing absolutely nothing to rain 323 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: in the zombies, despite the fact that I'm now ostensibly 324 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: human deaths. 325 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: And ostensibly that queen. And also, so the thing I 326 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: think is interesting here is in the comics, they essentially 327 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: established that there is sort of an addiction element to 328 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: the zombification. I liked, and I think it's really interesting 329 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: because then what they do is if you don't eat 330 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: humans for a few weeks, you essentially start to revert 331 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: to your human, not brain eating zombie ways. So I 332 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: think that's really interesting. And obviously that changes here with 333 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: the idea that kind of I'm guessing Wonder and her 334 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: magic are the reason that she's able to kind of 335 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: seem more human. But I don't trust the Queen of 336 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: the Dead to be bringing people back to life like 337 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 2: they made the right choice. I think not. I love Wonder, 338 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 2: but I wouldn't have trusted her either. 339 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: So we get the big endgame crossed with Helm's deep moment. 340 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: As wan As Army is trying desperately to like break 341 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: through the cordon of defenders like around Banner so that 342 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: she can get to him. Yeah, everybody, people are dropping 343 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: like flies. Now now we're lose heroes left, right, and center. 344 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: Kamala tries to fight Wanda, which apparently Wanda wanted to 345 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: like draw her close enough to her so that she 346 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: can also steal her power. The Hulk's energy is transferred 347 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: through Wanda to Kamala. Kamala and and the Queen of 348 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: the Dead is like, remember how I promised like I 349 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: was going to fix everything? Boom, It's fixed. Tamala then 350 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: wakes up back in her house Jersey City. Everything's normal, 351 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: rereincate there at the door. They want to get boba. 352 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: It's been a long time since you got boba. She 353 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: goes to get boba. She's so excited about the boba, 354 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 1: but something feels off, It feels too pat and we 355 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: get these flashes of like the zombie reality and of 356 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: re reholding back waves of zombies, being like, we need 357 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: you help, help, help, help help, as Wanda zombie visage 358 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: flashes across the screen, and then we go back to 359 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: the placid, normal Jersey City reality, and then the show 360 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: infuriatingly ends. 361 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: Yes, very infuriating. Let's go, let's go to a break 362 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: and then we'll come and talk about that. 363 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: And we're back. I was having a I want to 364 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: say that I was having a great time with Marvel Zombies. 365 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: I was really enjoyed animations bad. It looks good fun, Yeah, 366 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: crazy concept like it's on Disney Plus, enjoy it like that. 367 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: Actually great. As Aaron was pointing out, there are a lot 368 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: of trophy, like everybody's sacrificing themselves and that's basically the 369 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: end of every episode is Yeah, it's definitely repintitive. 370 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: But zombidy. 371 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: I didn't mind. I didn't care. I really liked it, 372 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: and I thought the build was fantastic, And so when 373 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: they ended the episode with no ending, no resolution at all, 374 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: I am honestly like shocked. Now, we just got done 375 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: recording a Peacemaker episode in which we praised and exact 376 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: and praised James Gunn's ability to set up the scaffolding 377 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: that holds up his universe with the caveat to say that, like, 378 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: you know, there's what there is Creature, Commando's Superman and Peacemakers. 379 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: So there's like really only three plus the suicide Squad 380 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: which he's picked in cheese, which parts of that to 381 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: bring back. Yeah, and so there's less stuff. But if 382 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: I was confident that this was leading to some other thing, agreed, 383 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: I would be much more stoked and excited. As it 384 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: stands now, I'm like, what the fuck? 385 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: I know it's I agree with you? I think again. 386 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: This is something that I have been talking about since 387 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 2: the original series of What If, where they had that 388 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: incredible episode four where they introduced this kind of supreme 389 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: Strange who had all of these he'd done all these 390 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: crazy things and eating all these crazy demons and taking 391 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: on all these powers, and it felt so much like, Okay, 392 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: that's going to be related to Multiverse of Madness. Incorrect. 393 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 2: They created a whole new character. I think they have 394 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 2: struggled to commit to the animated stuff the way that 395 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 2: James Gunn has, and I think he learned a lesson 396 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 2: from that, because even just the feeling of having Rick 397 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: Flagg Senia come over from Creature Commandos two Peacemaker feels 398 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 2: so impactful and feels so cool, and the fact that 399 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: it's the same actor, which again dc has been doing 400 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: for a while. They had Matt Ryan who was Constantine 401 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: in their cwuniverse voice the Doomsday Wore kind of the 402 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: final DCAU movie Apocalypse was so great, and so they've 403 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 2: been doing it for a while, and it is cool 404 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: to have the voice actors here. As I said in 405 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 2: mam Vallani killing it with the voice acting, I don't 406 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: know if there's anything she can't do. She's amazing. But 407 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: when it ends like this and they essentially say, hey, 408 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: this universe is now in like a House of m 409 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: esque situation where everyone is being kept and the thing 410 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: is this annoys me the most about it. Again, it 411 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: feels like it would be so easy to tie into 412 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: the end of that Man Quantumania, where there's that kind 413 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: of feeling that Scott knows something is wrong in the universe, yeah, 414 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 2: but he doesn't know what. And there's the kind of 415 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 2: this I love this idea that all the heroes think 416 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: everything is okay, and that could potentially lead to them 417 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: not feeling whatever this next giant threat is going to 418 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: be in the MCU, which is obviously going to be 419 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 2: Doctor Doom. But yeah, the ending where they just kind 420 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: of tried to go for like it's a bleak like ending. 421 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: I was like, come on, guys, I'm like, I need 422 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: one more episode, Like you don't have the juice to 423 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: just leave us hanging like this. 424 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: I want to say, because I did voice some a 425 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: note of critique in our pre like before returned. The 426 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: MIC's on and I'm like, why is Kamala still like 427 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: blown away that she's. 428 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 2: I do think you have to we have to talk 429 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: about this. 430 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: I have to now. Let me say Ivan Joelle, I 431 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: think rightly pushedback that, like you didn't get it, annoyed 432 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: it Spider Man. I think there are some differences, important differences, 433 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: and some similarities that I think I've been thinking about. 434 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: Here's why I think it bothers me in the context 435 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: of this show. I like the pluckiness, and I think 436 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: she should be amazed. I think that's like obviously a 437 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: big part of it. 438 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: To me. 439 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: It's like the amazement should have been holy shit, you're 440 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: still alive, not yes, Wow, it's Spider Man, Like you're 441 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: fighting alongside heroes now, And I get it like it 442 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: to me, it should have been it should have been 443 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: more that like, oh my god, Spider Man, you made it. 444 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: Holy cow, Like, you know, the world is like overrun 445 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: by billions of zombies and you and many famous and 446 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: iconic and beloved heroes including Captain Amaric, the Hulk and 447 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: more have fallen by the wayside, and yet you still live. 448 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,239 Speaker 1: Like I thought that, and the fact that it was 449 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: just kind of like immediately snapped back to Jersey City, 450 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: Kamala like like that was the part of it that 451 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: like bugged me a little bit because it felt a 452 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: little out of world. 453 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: I felt the reality of it is like the way 454 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 3: you do it that makes sense is at first, she's 455 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 3: just so glad that they're all there and they're fighting 456 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 3: and you've got the backup, and then you know, she 457 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 3: could have a little like in a moment of fighting, 458 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 3: like I can't believe I'm fighting alongside. 459 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: You and someone else is like com Comala, there's a 460 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: fucking zombies, Like they's zombies. You know, you could have that, 461 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, the fact that she's just still like that, 462 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 2: like I don't know how many years in this is 463 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: meant to be at this point, Yeah, I do think 464 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: that that is a writing issue. I will also say 465 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 2: I think the reason it didn't feel so over the 466 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: top with Peters because they allow him to have other 467 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 2: interests and other powersons and other friends and stuff. And 468 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: Kamala her her main passion has been the other Avengers, 469 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: and I do think in Man brings that so well 470 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: to the screen. But yeah, let's broaden it out. Let's 471 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 2: give us some more to do. If this is her, 472 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: you know, she's this is her world now that has 473 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: been destroyed, and I. 474 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: Guess she's ever going to resolve the end of this show. 475 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: Do you think that we're just gonna I think. 476 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 2: What it's going to be is I think there will 477 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: be like a throwaway callback in the MCU where she'll 478 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: be like, don't you remember that time we thought zombies 479 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 2: together or something? And they'll be like no, and that 480 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 2: will be like it. That's my guess, because I don't think. 481 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: While I do think that the Disney animation experiment for 482 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: Marvel has been positive, I think that overall the positive 483 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: over under is good. I think kids love what If. 484 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 2: I think it added a lot of law. There's a 485 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: lot of YouTube videos about what If, and that is 486 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: a way that kids, fire and entertainment nowadays. I will 487 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: also say I don't necessarily think it's been like wholly successful. 488 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 2: It's had huge, huge he'll talk about you know, because 489 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: I think the X Men ninety seven is a ten 490 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 2: out of ten unbelievable piece of gorgeous animation. Didn't you know? 491 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: Had its problems, had its behind the scenes problems. We 492 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 2: are still yet to understand why Bodomeo was fired or left, 493 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: and we know he's not coming back for season two 494 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: and that they've rewritten a bunch of season two, so 495 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 2: we don't know what the status of that is. But 496 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 2: the first season is absolutely stunning. But I don't think 497 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: that I. 498 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: Will say that his online presence post firing leads me 499 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: to believe it was maybe not without cause. 500 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: Yes, oh no, no, no, I agree, But I also 501 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: I also need to know, like many people who get 502 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 2: fired with dressed cause will disappear from the internet for 503 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: a while, take a little time off. Not Bodomeo, like 504 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 2: whatever's going on, he is able to talk about it 505 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: or settlement there. He's still he's still there, you can 506 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: still see his thoughts. But in general, like X Men 507 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: ninety seven, I would say it was the peak of 508 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 2: what they've tried to do. It was beautifully animated, it 509 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: was you know, dropped week to week, so we had 510 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: with episode five that huge conversation about Remy and about 511 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 2: Rogue and about it became the water cooler conversation show. 512 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: And I think even though what If was maybe never 513 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: gonna be that. In the same way, though, I will 514 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: say first season being dropped weekly did help. I covered 515 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 2: it weekly at Den of Geek. We got a lot 516 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: of readers who wanted to understand the show. I think 517 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: that the what If universe being the thing that they 518 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: have expanded with this Zombies, I don't necessarily know if 519 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: that was the correct choice. Like if I was in 520 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: charge of this, I would have probably pitched to them, hey, 521 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: what if you make Marvel Zombies its own kind of 522 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: standalone thing, maybe new animation style. Though the animation here 523 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 2: is better, but I think like it's tied to what 524 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: If is gonna put a lot of people off, Whereas 525 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: I think Marvel Zombies as a brand and as a 526 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: name and as a title has so much weight. Like 527 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: when I worked in the comic shop, it was like 528 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: ten eleven years after this thing had come out, and 529 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: people still always wanted it like the Kirkman doing Marble Zombies. 530 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: It's so iconic. Obviously, the story is essentially completely different here. Fine, 531 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: it's an adaptation, but I don't think I think, once again, 532 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: I think this showcases more of the issues with the 533 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: Marvel animation format than the best of what it can do, 534 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: like they did with with X Men. 535 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Marvel Zombies comic. It's one of 536 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: my favorites. 537 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: I mean, legendary. 538 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: It was there in that era early two thousands. I 539 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: was actually coming back into being a regular comics reader 540 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: after like a lot of time off, like I was, 541 00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: I was picking up trades and following it that way. Yeah, 542 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: for the period before then, but in the early two thousands, 543 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, with with Ultimates and the Ultimate Universe, with 544 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: what was going with the X Men at the time, 545 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: and particularly with the Walking Dead, and with then the 546 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: Clear knockoff, but also very very fun Marvel Zombies. I 547 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm back in, and Marvel 548 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: Zombies is like to me, it just like represents that 549 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: period of comics, which I think, you know, looking back, 550 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: was kind of like a mini Golden euro Oh, definitely 551 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: twenty first century. 552 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: It was. It was really interesting post the Boom and 553 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,959 Speaker 2: Bust at the end essentially when then Joe Casada is 554 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 2: that and they're making weird stuff. They're making the Punisher 555 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: Frankenstein comic in their late nineties early zeros, they're leading 556 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: into doing like Marvel zombies. There was a freedom here 557 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: and also an interest in bringing in creators who maybe 558 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: hadn't done books before or maybe didn't get the big 559 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: big So yeah, this was definitely a really interesting time. 560 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: I will also say in the comics, like the zombies 561 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: do retain their intelligence their powers, and that makes them 562 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: way more scary and in something I love which you know, 563 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: we were never probably going to get in this. The 564 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: reason that the zombie outbreak is able to go global 565 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: in this universe is because Quicksar is a zombie, so 566 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: he goes around he's spreading the infection, you know. And yeah, 567 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: very very interesting stuff because also Kirkman's kind of establishing 568 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: a lot of law in this which makes sense posts 569 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 2: Walking Dead. You know, you can't eat a zombie, can't 570 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: eat another zombie and stuff like that in this universe 571 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: because it will make them sick. Also, even people with 572 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: healing powers are getting infected. At Wolverine, Hulk Deadpool. But interestingly, again, 573 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: you can even have characters who are not necessarily taken 574 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: over fully because their healing factor is instantly helping them 575 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 2: kind of fight it off. But the Dombe apocalypse there 576 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 2: is so big that it does convert the high gods 577 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 2: of Asgard, like that's a nod to it. Like it's 578 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: so interesting to me because there's so much weird stuff 579 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 2: in Marvel Zombies where they get all the mechanical creatures 580 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: like Ultron and Machine Man and Jocasta to come and help, 581 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 2: and there we was just so much that you know, 582 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: they couldn't do in the series, and I get it. 583 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 2: But if you haven't read Marvel Zombies, you've got to 584 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: go and read it because it's so influential. I mean, 585 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: DC is really just a few years ago started their 586 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: version called Deceased with Tom Taylor writing it, and that 587 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: has become one of the most successful comics for them, 588 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: even though it was started, you know, fifteen years kind 589 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: of after Marvel did their version. So, I mean, Marvel 590 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 2: Zombies is just so iconic and so fun and has 591 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: such crazy art. I mean, Sean Phillips like on a 592 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: book like this is just so crazy Rosie. 593 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: Let me ask you, how would you do in a 594 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: zombie apocalypse? 595 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 2: Bad? 596 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: Slow? I got to be slow zombies, slow classics, slow zombies. 597 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 2: Classic slow zombies. I think I would do okay. I've 598 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 2: always planned wherever I've been living, I've always planned, like 599 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: where would I take over if there was a zombie 600 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 2: apocalypse and I knew I needed like a big space, 601 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 2: So I have my zombie apocalypse planned. But the reality 602 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 2: is I would probably just like fall over and get 603 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 2: eating by a zombie. Like I don't have any I 604 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 2: don't have any kind of like. I'm not going to 605 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: become like a Sarah Connor. I'm not going to get 606 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: like super buff. I'm just going to be hiding inside 607 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: a house eating beans or whatever like people do in 608 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 2: the zombie apocalypse and cold beans, like hoping for the best. 609 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: So I shouldn't really. 610 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 2: Be out here judging the heroes. 611 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: What's the bean of England? 612 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 2: Baked beans? They call them baked beans. It's not like 613 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: American baked beans, so it's like a Pinies. It's a 614 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 2: Heins baked bean. It is similar. It's like a small 615 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 2: white bean and then it's in tomato sauce. But doesn't 616 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 2: that may mean. 617 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: The bean is it like the bean in like Italian 618 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: wedding soup, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, what is the. 619 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 2: Kind of I don't know, let's look it up. What 620 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 2: is a Heinz baked bean? Because honestly, we're all just 621 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 2: like it's a baked bean. But I will tell you something, 622 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 2: and yes, it is true. We do eat Heines baked 623 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 2: beans on toast. That is the main way they are eating. 624 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 2: I'm learning a lot here. It's I have to say, 625 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 2: it's it's pretty, It's it's pretty. Yes, harraw Cott beans 626 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 2: that aka navy beans. Yes, and they were actually invented 627 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 2: in like eighteen eighty six. First saw that Bortenham and 628 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 2: Mason fancy. Now you can just get them in any store. 629 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 2: But yeah, Heines baked beans. Eat them on toast, butter 630 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 2: that toast, put some cheese on. 631 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 3: It. 632 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 2: Uh. If I can get a Heinz baked bean, I 633 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 2: will not do it with no other baked beans. 634 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: That's the last time you had a classic English breakfast 635 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: with beans? 636 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 2: Oh? That was like when was I lost there in 637 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 2: like May? I went there for a step visit and uh, 638 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 2: and the hotel had like a full English breakfast including 639 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 2: baked beans. 640 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: Of course I got to try one of these. 641 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, fill English breakfast is delicious. Maybe one day 642 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 2: we'll be going there, see what maybe maybe much five 643 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 2: years Marvels will be a movie and we'll be in 644 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 2: London for the filming. 645 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 1: Much like Marvel Zombies. We're gonna have to leave this 646 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: unresolved question of when we will eat it actually. 647 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 2: Right now. 648 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: On the next episode Vision, Bean Watch, Bean Watched, We've 649 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: got another x r GC and that's it for this 650 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: bye x ray. 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