WEBVTT - Alaska Governor Mike Dunleavy Talks Energy Policy

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump has, of course, promised to cut energy prices

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<v Speaker 1>by half as the centerpiece of his policy to combat

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<v Speaker 1>inflation across the board. And the refrain that we heard

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<v Speaker 1>in Milwaukee, much like it was in the Twin Cities

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and eight, was drill, Baby, Drill. Now

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<v Speaker 1>on the other end of these promises, at least in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases, is the governor of Alaska, and I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>to say that he's in Washington today. He came here

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<v Speaker 1>to warm up in our twenty five degree whether Governor

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Dunlavy. It's great to see you in the nation's capitol.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. Great to be here at a start of

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<v Speaker 1>Indian radio on a summer day with I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was twenty seven. I'll be fair here. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know what your state is going to look like a

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<v Speaker 1>year or four from now. Knowing that Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>talked a lot about not only unwinding regulations, but unwinding

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<v Speaker 1>limits on drilling in your state, specifically in anwar, how

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<v Speaker 1>quickly will you get to this and what changes in

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<v Speaker 1>the offing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great question, Joe. So it depends on the

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<v Speaker 2>executive orders. Some have said that the President's dropping secret

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<v Speaker 2>orders immediately, maybe even on the first day. Hopefully some

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<v Speaker 2>of those executive orders will repeal. With some of the

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<v Speaker 2>Biden administration folks have done to Alaska, our Senator Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Sullivan has an interesting chart that shows about sixty six

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<v Speaker 2>sanctions against Alaska is what we call them, since the

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<v Speaker 2>Biden administrations came into play. So, for example, in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>an war was open under the Tax and Jobs Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Biden administration has really done everything they can

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<v Speaker 2>to stop those leases from actually going into play. We're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to have a sale again, a second sale for

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<v Speaker 2>leases in an war in December. We're not sure if

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<v Speaker 2>that's even going to happen. This is required by law,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll see when December comes along. But we were

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<v Speaker 2>questioning whether this administration is going to go through with that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would say what Alaska's going to look like

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<v Speaker 2>is what it's supposed to look like. What this country's

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to look like is tremendous opportunity under the Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 2>just like his first term, great conversations with the President

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<v Speaker 2>during his first term, he always asked this, what does

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<v Speaker 2>Alaska need? What can we do for Alaska? And under

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump, we got anwar, we were drilling more, we

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<v Speaker 2>were moving Western NPR, which is the National Patrolling Reserve,

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<v Speaker 2>about twenty seven million acres of land in Alaska that

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<v Speaker 2>was designated solely for oil production and gas production. Very

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<v Speaker 2>supportively is of our gas line project that is fully

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<v Speaker 2>permitted that we're trying to finalize. Timber industry. Timber industry

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<v Speaker 2>disappeared in the longest National forest under the Clinton administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully that comes back. But between oil, gas mining, timber,

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<v Speaker 2>we have tremendous opportunity in Alaska. All we want is

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to be able to develop those resources on

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<v Speaker 2>federal land, and we're very hopeful with President Trump coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned the leases under the Biden administration. Seven of

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<v Speaker 1>them that had been acquired by the Alaska Industrial Development

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<v Speaker 1>and Export Authority were canceled and two others were abandoned.

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<v Speaker 1>As a result, You're in an interesting position here as

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<v Speaker 1>a policymaker, with one hand on Washington the other on industry.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been a bit of a lucy with the football.

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<v Speaker 1>According to some producers, K want assurances before they start

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<v Speaker 1>investing in these leases. What would you tell them, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's another thing. That the Trump administration will bring

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<v Speaker 2>a certainty. So part of the problem with the leases

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<v Speaker 2>in anwar as you as you mentioned is when you're

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<v Speaker 2>selling leases, but on the other hand, you're telling folks

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<v Speaker 2>to not invest in the Arctic, to not put money

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<v Speaker 2>in the Arctic, to not put money into oil. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it provides an uncertain future for those investors, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I think under the Trump administration that's going to change.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing that's very important, you know, realize, is

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to need two to three times as much

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<v Speaker 2>energy as we're producing right now because of data farms, supercomputers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's rapidly changing that. You know, a gig a gigawat

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<v Speaker 2>of electricity powers about eight hundred thousand homes. We only

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<v Speaker 2>have seven hundred thousand people in the state of Alaska,

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<v Speaker 2>so some of these data farms are using more than

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<v Speaker 2>the power we generate for all of our residents. You're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to have as much energy as possible

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<v Speaker 2>coming from various sources, and we're gonna need it. Sider

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<v Speaker 2>then later you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting on oil. But a lot of people are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about nuclear Now do you support that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we support all forms of energy, doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 2>it's renewables, oil gas, nukes, any and all forms of energy.

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<v Speaker 2>And we actually passed a new exciting bill two years

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<v Speaker 2>ago that's going to make it easier for nuclear office

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<v Speaker 2>to come up and take a look at a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right? So Alaska could be the home of

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<v Speaker 1>the new nuclear reactor in the United States?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I hope so. And we're also looking at a

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear reactor on one of our military bases at Ailson.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, we hope. So, you need as much energy

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<v Speaker 2>as possible, again, from any source we can get it from.

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<v Speaker 1>Or will we see an auction in the early stages

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<v Speaker 1>of the Trump administration when it comes to these leases,

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<v Speaker 1>or do you not have a sensing exactly so that

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<v Speaker 1>procedure will.

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<v Speaker 2>Be I hope so. And I hope that also pertains

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<v Speaker 2>the offshore oral leases, which were also negatively impacted by

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<v Speaker 2>the Biden administration. So onshore, offshore again, we hope that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple of resales, like well, pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 1>The prize for you, unless you tell me otherwise, is

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<v Speaker 1>a pipeline, a natural gas pipeline that the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>has promise. You actually retweeted a statement by Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>on this what's your expectation.

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<v Speaker 2>What has he told you? Well, we have all the

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<v Speaker 2>permits for this pipeline. It's a massive pipeline project where

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're battling our last court case. So this

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<v Speaker 2>this pipeline project is really coming together with buyers and

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<v Speaker 2>sellers of gas. The President has been very consistent. President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's are very consistent, and he supports this gas line constant.

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<v Speaker 2>What people don't realize is Alaska pioneered energy export for

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<v Speaker 2>North America in late nineteen sixty sixty eight sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>we sent gas to Japan energy out of the Kiski, Alaska,

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<v Speaker 2>which is south of Anchorage. That occurred for fifty years

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<v Speaker 2>until our gas got depleted in the cook Inlet. But

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about North Slope gas, which is one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>trillion qb feet to two hundred trillion qubic feet of gas.

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<v Speaker 2>Tremendous amounts of gas. But we're very close to consummating

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<v Speaker 2>this gas pipeline and I'm pretty excited about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Chris Wright and Doug Bergham Howlpe, you make that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know Doug, Doug's a former governor, comes from

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<v Speaker 2>an energy state. I think I don't rightwell, but from

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<v Speaker 2>what I understand, he's going to do a great job

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<v Speaker 2>as well. But Doug is going to be terrific because

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<v Speaker 2>it's that interface between technology, supercomputing and energy, and his

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<v Speaker 2>role as the energies Are, I think is going to

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<v Speaker 2>pay amazing diffidence.

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<v Speaker 1>For this country energies are, but also the Interior Secretary.

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<v Speaker 1>He might have something to say about the lands we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have more of more blm lands, more parklands

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<v Speaker 2>than any other state in the country in terms of acreage.

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<v Speaker 2>Our population has more Native Americans than any of any

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<v Speaker 2>other state as a percentage, twenty percent of our population

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<v Speaker 2>as Native American. And so a lot to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the Apartment of Interior Alaska has. And so we look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to working with Doug on solving some problems for

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<v Speaker 2>the state and the country.

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest tribe in Alaska supports your move.

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<v Speaker 2>On energy, most most Native Alaskans, most Alaskans support our

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<v Speaker 2>moves on energy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that's been mischaracterized Absolutelydia.

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<v Speaker 2>How come because it doesn't play to the narrative on

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<v Speaker 2>the left, My wife is an you pack Eskimo, my

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<v Speaker 2>kids are Eskimo. Their tribal members and their members of

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<v Speaker 2>our native corporations up there. My three girls work at

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<v Speaker 2>the largest legending mine in the world. It's the resource

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<v Speaker 2>extraction industry. Most Native Americans, they're Americans. They want to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to turn their lights on, they want to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to warm their homes. They want to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to drive their machines, their cars or snow machines,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. And so, yeah, energy is important to

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<v Speaker 2>all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>They also want to drink clean water and breathe clean air.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you worry about the impact on climate change that,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, the LNG exports is lifting that moratorium looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a day one endeavor for Donald Troy.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope so, And I don't because Alaska takes care

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<v Speaker 2>of this environment probably better than any other place in

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<v Speaker 2>the country. And excuse me, any other place in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and probably any other place in the country. When you

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<v Speaker 2>shift your resource development overseas, the places like China, places

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<v Speaker 2>in Africa, the Middle East, they don't have the environmental

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<v Speaker 2>regulations that we do. And so by doing it here

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<v Speaker 2>in America, you get the benefits of taking care of

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<v Speaker 2>the environment, jobs, wealth creation, and really opportunity. And this

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<v Speaker 2>energy is really going to be the underpinnings for the

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<v Speaker 2>supercomputing age, the AI age that we need to be leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got your eyes on data center. Absolutely, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal for Alaska. Or does the distance make it

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to put the data centers themselves in Alaska? Or

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<v Speaker 1>is it about procuring energy in Alaska that will feed

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<v Speaker 1>the data centers here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what we have going for is in Alaska's energy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we have continuous acres of land. Any large tracks of

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<v Speaker 2>lander have that. We have three times the fresh water

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<v Speaker 2>of any other state.

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<v Speaker 1>So set up the farms in Alaska and we have

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<v Speaker 1>cool temperatures there you go. Absolutely, cooling is a big

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<v Speaker 1>part of this. That's fascinating. I want to talk about you,

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<v Speaker 1>governor and your personal trajectory because a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are watching us right now. Joe's talking to the governor

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<v Speaker 1>of Alaska. Is this big timberman looking guy's logging. You're

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<v Speaker 1>from Scranton, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, and after you graduated from college,

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<v Speaker 1>after spending a life hunting and fishing and being outdoors,

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<v Speaker 1>you decided to just move your life to Alaska. Through

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<v Speaker 1>a connection, you got a job as a logger as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid from Scranton, which more people associate with Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden than with Mike Dunlavy. What was the scratch or

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<v Speaker 1>the itch you were trying to by making that move?

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<v Speaker 2>Always loved the outdoors and the ultimate outdoor.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it culture shock when you got there?

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<v Speaker 2>Not really? Great people in Alaska just like great people

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<v Speaker 2>in Sprant So not really. But it was the outdoors,

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<v Speaker 2>the willderness that drew me there back in nineteen eighty three,

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<v Speaker 2>so right out of college, went to Alaska.

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<v Speaker 1>I never looked back, never looked back. How much time

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<v Speaker 1>did you spend logging?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that was what learn doing this several months in

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<v Speaker 2>southeast Alaska. Then I moved up north close to the

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<v Speaker 2>Arctic Circle, and I was a teacher for over a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two years.

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<v Speaker 1>You were a teacher for a long time before you

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<v Speaker 1>got into politics. What did you learn as a logger

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<v Speaker 1>from Scranton, Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 2>That jobs are incredibly important, especially for low income folks,

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<v Speaker 2>opportunities very important, and resource development is what Alaska is

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<v Speaker 2>all about. That's why the US acquired Alaska from Russia

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<v Speaker 2>was resource development. And again we do it better than

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere else I think in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>You then became a teacher, Yes, do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is on the right track to eliminate the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Education. As an educator yourself, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Do because education was one of those rights that the

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<v Speaker 2>States never gave up in the Constitution where we formed

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<v Speaker 2>the federal government, because the states believe that their control

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<v Speaker 2>of education was critically important, not the federal government's control.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the Department of Education as a new department

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<v Speaker 2>came in under Jimmy Carter and a number of us

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<v Speaker 2>that were teachers, administrators, school board members, which I was

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<v Speaker 2>as well. We think you can do things better at

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<v Speaker 2>the local level than you can thousands of miles away

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<v Speaker 2>from Alaska, thousands of miles away from other states, and

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<v Speaker 2>so certainly support the elimination, if possible, of the Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Education.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do for funding for disabled students some

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<v Speaker 1>of the other expenses that might be hard for.

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<v Speaker 2>Us to run that money through health social services. There's

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<v Speaker 2>many ways to get money to certain groups in the

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<v Speaker 2>educational umbrella. It doesn't have to be through this department

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<v Speaker 2>that currently exists.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people suggested you for a number of

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<v Speaker 1>jobs here in Washington. I heard that, Yeah, you might

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<v Speaker 1>have as well. You're here right now. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if who you're talking to, would you consider working for

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<v Speaker 1>this administration? Maybe you should run the Department of Education.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think he's already got a great pick and

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<v Speaker 2>we McMahon for education. But the President I never talked

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<v Speaker 2>about a job. He knows that I have two years

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<v Speaker 2>left in my term. I barely enjoyed this job, and

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<v Speaker 2>as mentioned earlier, we're on the verge of some big

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<v Speaker 2>projects that we want to make sure you get across

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<v Speaker 2>the finish line. So I've got my hands filled over

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<v Speaker 2>the next two years with the.

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<v Speaker 1>Last Sure did a lot of governors though, say that

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<v Speaker 1>The stock answer is, oh my god, Washington, nothing gets

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<v Speaker 1>done there. I'm better off here. I'm an executive running

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<v Speaker 1>my own state right where I want to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Truth to that too?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there truth to that? Does anything get done in Washington?

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<v Speaker 1>With Donald Trump? At the other end of I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think with President Trump, he really wants to change things.

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<v Speaker 2>He really wants to disrupt things. And I say that

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<v Speaker 2>in the positive. He really wants to give power back

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<v Speaker 2>to the states, give power back to the people. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited about the possibilities. I saw what he did

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<v Speaker 2>this first term, and he said four years the plan

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<v Speaker 2>for this term. I think it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>great four years for this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Can he really drop energy prices by fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>If we produce more?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you produce more, that's what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. And for a last what we want to have

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<v Speaker 2>is more production. Not necessarily higher prices because higher prices

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<v Speaker 2>hurt Americans start Alaska's but more production. That's where we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get revenue from as well. More production.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice to see you in town. Come see us again.

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<v Speaker 1>The governor of Alaska, Mike Dunlavy. Now you know where

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<v Speaker 1>he's from.