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Speaker 1: and the King of New York Charles Oakley, New York

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Speaker 1: nick legend. He has his first book out, The Last Enforcer,

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Speaker 1: which is a great easy, fun, insightful back down memory lane.

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Speaker 1: Read about his life, his career, UM forward by the guy, Um,

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Speaker 1: what's his name? He's got the sneakers, the Sneakers Guy

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Speaker 1: Jordan's Yeah, I played that guy and Frankie Frankie solo.

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Speaker 1: And it's a great book. And I want all New

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Speaker 1: York nick fans, all NBA fans to buy the book,

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Speaker 1: especially New York Toronto Raptors fans. Everybody's like, I love

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Speaker 1: I love oak I love by the book. Learn about

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Speaker 1: the book. Um read about Charles Oakley's life and it's

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Speaker 1: a great book. And I appreciate you coming on. Oak

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Speaker 1: Thanks for happing. I know we aren't talked you wing

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Speaker 1: the Big Three. You had event invited me out. I

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Speaker 1: show you a lot of love. Thanks for the love. OHK, listen.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: as a New York I speak on behalf of all

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Speaker 1: New York Nick fans, the era that you played with

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Speaker 1: the Knicks. You know, it's it's crazy because it's it's

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Speaker 1: you came to the Garden. I mean, this is over

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Speaker 1: thirty years ago, which is wild. You know it's it

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Speaker 1: bugs me out when I say that, and it must

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Speaker 1: remember I was going to the six train on se

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Speaker 1: what do you do in New York? And he said,

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Speaker 1: I just got traded here. You came to New York

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Speaker 1: I'll start with this. You know, when did becoming a

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Speaker 1: I was all of that, But I still went to

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Speaker 1: it might have been over the tops for the guy

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428
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430
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Speaker 1: more and protect yourself at all times online. When you

481
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: were playing for the Knicks. The ten years that you

482
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: played for the Knicks. It was ten seasons, right. One

483
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: of my theories why, amongst other things, and I'm gonna

484
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: get to it, one of my theories why young players

485
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: do not want to come to New York is because

486
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: the practice facility is way the funk out there in

487
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: soccer mom land. You know, it's not in the city. Um,

488
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: as far as being a Brooklyn Net, if you play

489
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: for the Brooklyn Nets, you get to be a New Yorker.

490
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: You're in Brooklyn. You could chill your which is a

491
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: dope place. Brooklyn isn't the same place when you were here.

492
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 1: It's totally you know, it's like it's its own, you know,

493
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: metropolitan city. If you play for the Brooklyn Nets, you

494
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: can come to Manhattan hang out. If you play for

495
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: the New York Knicks, you're literally with soccer moms. You

496
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: two we know year old do not want to hang

497
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: out with soccer. So where were you living? What was

498
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: your lifestyle like when you were playing for the Knicks. Well,

499
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: my thing was you will be closing your job. I

500
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: never want to say more than ten minutes away. Fifteen

501
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: the most from with practice, the matter about the game

502
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: because you don't. You have to drive to the city twice.

503
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: We got a practice phone as a week, but practice

504
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: the most important getting there doing your work, doing your craft.

505
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: You can stay, Oh we have to worry about the

506
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: traffic coming back. Um a lot of guys this day

507
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: and they want to be in the city. I think

508
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: it could be bad because when you shall have been

509
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: in the city and stuff happened, you want to hang out. See,

510
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: we didn't hang out a lot when we played, So

511
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: that's why we try to be dedicated to our jobs.

512
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: So it's part of the job. If you stay outside

513
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: the city, that's part of the jobs. Other people have

514
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: to dry to work to get to their jobs too.

515
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, guys didn't like it. But Patrick live in

516
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: New Jersey. Most other guys live in Westchester. He still

517
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: had to take it like a thirty five for him

518
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: in the ride. You know, you live in Jersey or

519
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: you live in Westchester West just like ten minutes away,

520
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: ten minute from practice, maybe twelve minutes from the airport,

521
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: so that's when you fly. They fly out of West Shuter.

522
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: So being in the city is just mean it could

523
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: be bad for you know, you want to hang out

524
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: with somebody, call you let's go do this one DAYNA

525
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: lead to one o'clock at night. The next thing, you know,

526
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: it's two thirty in the morning. Then you gotta get

527
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: the shoot around. Some guys struggle agatting back and forth.

528
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: So and were you were you a partier game nights?

529
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: Like what was sort of your deal when you were playing?

530
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: So basically my game nights was, you know, if I

531
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: went out somewhere, I try to be back in my

532
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: lamp thirty toyo. Um you know that the latest, you know,

533
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: but just relaxed, watch TV. You know, know what we

534
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: have to do. You know a game plan. We are

535
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: knowing that from practice, so I really don't hang out

536
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: too much going against the bulls. Michael Jordan's your your guy,

537
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen, you know these guys when when you look back,

538
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: like was it nine two? We played these motherfucker's and

539
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: we lost the nixt played the bulls up every year,

540
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: these motherfucker's beat us in the playoffs. How first, Like, honestly,

541
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to talk about it because it's

542
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: so frushing. It was so demoralizing, even though we we

543
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: played him hard. But yeah, John starts trying every single

544
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: trick in the book to fucking stop this guy? How

545
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: hard was it to keep losing to those motherfucking Chicago

546
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: Bulls and this guy? And didn't you just like at

547
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: one point like you and pattern like we gotta take

548
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: this fucking guy out. I don't care if he's my friend.

549
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: Somebody's got to take this fucking guy out because he

550
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: was It was like Superman, this fucking guy. I get

551
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: what you're saying. This book, so a lot of times

552
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 1: we tell about how are we gonna play him, how

553
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: we gonna do this? When we played the Bulls, it

554
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: was one of the things I would saying, we don't

555
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: sub until day sub. It wasn't the point that he

556
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: was going to the ram. He's he was the best

557
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: nt rain shooting the game. So when somebody can shoot

558
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: like that and somebody got the you know out of Tiger,

559
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: I mean, what can you do? I mean, you can't

560
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: take him out. He don't come to the rim. He

561
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: just gonna get a fire because he walking up to

562
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: the court. I mean, that's not Detroit. Maybe we should

563
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: have hit him walking up the cold this and that.

564
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be known as a dirty players.

565
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: Things happened and um, like I said, it was in

566
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: that way and just like a lot of in sports,

567
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: a lot of teams being in your way in and

568
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: you gotta gotta beat them. We beat them that one year,

569
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: but Michael was there. But that was not our fault.

570
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: It was it was it was a task every time

571
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: we played them that you know, we were gonna get

572
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: no calls. And I mean it had to be a

573
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: little physical with them, but that still to help us.

574
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. We just we just

575
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: couldn't get past them when we you know, besides that

576
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: one year, we should I think we should have went

577
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: to two or three finals, but you know, we just

578
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: like one year we was up too old. The year

579
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: the too old, the year the Atlantic City year. Were

580
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: you in Atlantic City, Charles Oakley? Were you in Atlantic

581
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: City with this fucking guy? I would have you ever

582
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: been asked that question before? Because if I was with it,

583
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: they would have wrote it. You know, it would have

584
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: been Mike and oak and the City hanging out, best

585
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: two friends. But now I wasn't there. I mean, I

586
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: mean nothing. Everybody said he was landed, said they had

587
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: an off day. You could do what you want on

588
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: your off day. I know it made headline for New

589
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: York paper, Michael Joy. You know he could have went

590
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: down there just what I mean, whatever was business me

591
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: the dinner. But that's how the press was. But you know,

592
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: he didn't have a good game the next game. But

593
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: we lost. But exactly, I don't know why we made

594
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: a big deal. But and then I do help us

595
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: seem like the other guy stepped up. That's so use

596
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: a good team. Yeah, and I feel like once it

597
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: started becoming a thing, that's when he went crazy. Yeah

598
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: we got he got a second win, like okay, yeah,

599
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: I want to talk about me in the paper, I'm

600
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: gonna do this on the court. So he took it

601
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: out on us, telling the people, the press exactly when

602
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: you said you were in a dirty player and I

603
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: think that's you know, last andforce. And we see the

604
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: clips of you are fighting Paul mckeeskey, We see the

605
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: Rick mahorns, We see like the stuff talk about the

606
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: difference between being a physical player are and a dirty

607
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: player and why you clarify that you weren't a dirty

608
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: player because I know you weren't a dirty player. Also, uh, well,

609
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: dirty players you hit somebody names, you know, not watching

610
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: the dirty players, like what McHale did that Curt, you know,

611
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: just take him out of the air. I never take

612
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: no one out of the air. So just play hard

613
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: and tough. You know, I'm gonna put my body on

614
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: you it you comes the whole, and I just let

615
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, just like you know, a freeway, just you know,

616
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: going on the lane at will. That was my job. So,

617
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean, people got their opinion, but I know that,

618
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't play like a few of the

619
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: guys on the Pistons did, just trying to end somebody's

620
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: career who was the dirtiest in the league at that time.

621
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: Which guys were you, like, this guy's a motherfucker. Um,

622
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: it was like playing against I ain't gonna said no

623
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: one was like that. You know. I didn't have no

624
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: problem with now you. I didn't really get no one's

625
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: gonna funk with you. I don't get involved with all

626
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: the guy's game. I mean, like they said Lamb Beer

627
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: was dirty. I mean I said, I didn't really see

628
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: him do nothing dirty or listening to him. A Barkley

629
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: guy in the fight, Well that's like two females fighting, right,

630
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: Um the Charles Barkley, I asked you about that. I

631
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: know it's been asking you put it in the beginning

632
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: of the book. You know, for me, it's like and

633
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: most basketball fans, especially at this point, everybody loves Barkley.

634
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: Everybody loves Charles Oakley. The you talk about it in

635
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: the book. You talked about smacking Otis Thorpe. There was

636
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Speaker 1: a situation. Uh, well, no, he elbowed me and then

637
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Speaker 1: elbowed me again. No I smacking him. You punched him.

638
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask you about the craft of smacking.

639
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Speaker 1: There's been mentions of smacking Charles Barkley. This one get

640
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Speaker 1: explained you Charles Oakley, in your day, maybe your day

641
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Speaker 1: could be today, but in your day, how do you

642
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Speaker 1: make a choice between smacking fire out of somebody or

643
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Speaker 1: two piecing somebody? Is it a calculating thing? Was the

644
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Speaker 1: Barkley thing a choice? Well? What is your sort of

645
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Speaker 1: perspective when smacking versus punching? Because I have a perspective.

646
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: I feel like smacking. Know that. You know one time

647
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Speaker 1: in the game he had hit me on my chin,

648
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: and then that lockout, Yeah, he was talking trash and

649
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: I said, you know, he had said something about the Knicks.

650
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: So when you know Nicks is gonna always be with

651
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Speaker 1: me in some type of place. But he had said

652
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Speaker 1: something about the Knicks, and uh, I said, so next time,

653
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Speaker 1: might see you in the paper. I said that I'm

654
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Speaker 1: just on smacking. I ain't said punch has been a

655
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Speaker 1: different thing that might even have got a case. I

656
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: just smacked him. So I'm trying to protect myself. So

657
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: I just smacked him when I had to sleep. Do

658
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: you have you seen Barkley at NBA event? I see

659
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Speaker 1: the Dominique when they made a statue of dominic in Atlanta.

660
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Speaker 1: I've seen him one time and it was an U

661
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Speaker 1: late toy hole. I'll say him a few times and

662
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Speaker 1: do you guys say what's up? Or is it know

663
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: what's up? Or you just keep it moving? I mean

664
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Speaker 1: he you know, I'm uh not really he's looking around

665
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: the room when I'm in the room. So I just

666
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: had a scene and I talked about Scottie and Michael

667
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Speaker 1: and you know you've it's it's in the book you

668
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Speaker 1: explain it more. The Last Enforcer, which we need to

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Speaker 1: make a New York Times bestseller, Especially New York Nick fans,

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Speaker 1: Toronto Raptor fans, you need to buy the book The

671
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: Strife that you've made comments about Patrick Ewing? Um, who

672
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: you know? Patrick Ewing is probably the biggest mystery in

673
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: terms of a New York because he wasn't You're not

674
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: a big talker. Patrick, you know, was the leader of

675
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: the team, but he kept in close to the vest.

676
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: He kept things close to the vest at Georgia. What

677
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: was Patrick like as a player that frustrated you? We

678
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: know what made him great? Uh? We know the miss shot.

679
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: Everybody miss shots. It happens. You know. I never held

680
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: that against some players miss shots? But why are you

681
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: not a Patrick Ewing fan? I'm a fan. It's just

682
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: something like in this book, I was playing like I

683
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: just didn't like when he uh shoot out of double teams.

684
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: And I think when there was somebody it was enough

685
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Speaker 1: that I think it hurt us at the right at

686
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Speaker 1: the moment that for us to make it to the

687
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: next level. And I think that when you shoot our

688
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: double team, that mean the team on a double team

689
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: you to take the ball out of him, but he's

690
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: still shot du So when you have you get double team,

691
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: you still shoot. You heard your team Like the biggest

692
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: thing and then found against Houston was when the Keem.

693
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Speaker 1: We devel teen him because he was getting you know,

694
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: he's working Patrick a little bit and we're devil teeing him.

695
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: And he did the right thing. He kicked the ball

696
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: out to the rookie Sam because Sale hit the biggest

697
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: three ever. And I think that in that series a

698
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: team showed that he was a way better center than Patrick,

699
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: you know, especially for to be the franchise player. But

700
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, kicking out of double team,

701
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: but also with the coach, would Riley say kick the

702
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: fucking ball or would Riley say we're gonna go with you?

703
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: Pat Is it said when he running fist down, get

704
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: the ball in the post the past man and let

705
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: Patricks do his things. You know, it's just like they're

706
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: trying to blame Russell Wilson and see Atla. They're trying

707
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: to set the defense carried him. They said, let Rose cook.

708
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: So every time Rose cook, the food don't taste good. Right,

709
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: So every time he sees the favor way that hurt

710
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: the team. Right, But it seems like it's more and

711
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: and again it bothers me because even like mikel and Scotty,

712
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: who I don't have an affinity like you and Patrick,

713
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: those who were my guys. I hated those motherfucker's. I

714
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: hated that fucking Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan. I I

715
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: fucking hated him. Ok. I stopped wearing Jordan's still about

716
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: three years ago, because you know, when he first came out,

717
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like Mike, like everybody else, and

718
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: then I was like, fuck him. Uh, he's a major problem.

719
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: I want to bury Mike. But you know, you and Patrick,

720
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: when we see those pictures of you and Pat you

721
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: and Oak you and Starks you and Doc and all

722
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: that stuff, Doc rivers, you know when Patrick you've said

723
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: things about him, you know, do you feel like this

724
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: has been like a breach? Like do you understand how

725
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: why it upsets the fans? And why is it like

726
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: it's Patrick and a good guy? Not a good guy?

727
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: It was he arrogantly? What was this deal? Are you

728
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: saying a lot of stuff? It's just he could have

729
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: been a way better teammate. And I think that in

730
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: his book, you know, I think that he didn't have

731
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: nobody back. He didn't have my back in no way,

732
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: not even not even talking about the incident in New York.

733
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like, just we know, guys needed someone

734
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: just for me. He's got a dream team guy, he's

735
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: an all star, he got all the accolades. But you

736
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: couldn't come and talk to him about you know, you're

737
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: having problems of this and that going on. He couldn't

738
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: communication was bad and this is our leader. So guys

739
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: saw louthing respect for him, Mason, all the guys you

740
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: know Mason respect Patrick. Mason's bed a lot madder than me.

741
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: Think you didn't throw the ball at the posts. He's

742
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: going to pat Riley and tell him maybe day. I mean,

743
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: so I think Patrick got Mason traded Chods coup, but

744
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: shouldn't Some of this we blame on pat Riley and

745
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: Jeff Jeff van Gundy. I blamed him, but I'm blame

746
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: this guy Photo be a guy who you hear about

747
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Speaker 1: how the Chicago Bulls said Michael Jordan's thought trust and

748
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Speaker 1: making them you know the b J when Kerr hit

749
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: the shot, I got Jacks and hit the shot. So

750
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: keep saying about these guys in shots that mean the

751
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: best player passed to them and give him the chance

752
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: to make the shot. He didn't do that. What is

753
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: the leader of a basketball team to you? And who

754
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: were the leaders? You know it's a few different you know,

755
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, but who were the leaders of that first

756
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: um you know New York Nick Crewe, the part rally team,

757
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: like the voice the players. Who are the leaders that

758
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: you remember? Were you the leader? And what is the

759
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: leader of a basketball team? Because when you get to

760
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: the NBA, it's not like or maybe you do need

761
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: do you need? Come on, guys, let scot. What is

762
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: the leader of a basketball team? Someone who go by example,

763
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, working for work. Uh, you know practice early

764
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: they had the practice there for the guys. You know,

765
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: get guys together, to take them to dinner, see what

766
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Speaker 1: they know, timber to it. You know, like during the

767
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: course of the season, you're okay, then the family. I

768
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: mean this guy who just cared about his teammates, I mean, uh,

769
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: they said a lot of guys can get alone. But

770
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: I've seen in New Yorker we all stayed in different places.

771
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: You know, you can see how sometimes your teammates loafing.

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Speaker 1: Somebody be wrong. It is your family. Okay. You know

773
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774
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775
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779
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810
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811
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812
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Speaker 1: to the locker room after that, is it silence? I

813
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,960
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814
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Speaker 1: I know you don't play. I never, I never, like

815
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,520
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816
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,600
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817
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,799
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818
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: ball he was he was a good athlete. It's just

819
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: sometimes he was just trying. You know. I think he

820
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: might have got filed. But like I said, you got

821
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: Phil dunk the ball. Thing is, they're not gonna call

822
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: on a team they've been winning. Chicago was the face

823
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,760
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824
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Speaker 1: He might they might with a called, but since John Smith,

825
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Speaker 1: he's just like, you know, not a guy on the

826
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Speaker 1: team to the officials. Official look at Corton, who who

827
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: got the ball? You see that all the time. Some

828
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: guys didn't get killed. Almost they don't call the next guy.

829
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: And he got a name, he get called. So it's

830
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: all it's gonna be one or two bad calls in

831
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: the game. When you guys got to a lot. What

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Speaker 1: year was that, ninety I had to be ninety two

833
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: nine one two. When you got to locker room after that,

834
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: like do you remember being is it quiet after those losses? Ain't?

835
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: Then you can do I mean sit there and just

836
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, you trying to think, but what can I

837
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: do in the game when they've been in that position

838
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: in one call and go against us and lose the game.

839
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: But it didn't even like, why didn't you dump the

840
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: fucking ball, motherfucker? We didn't do that? You know he't

841
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: you know because I know one play, I know, I

842
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: know what's the difference, that's what he miss one. I know,

843
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: trust me, I know, I know, I know. I mean

844
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: we didn't get on Patrick. I know I got it.

845
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: I got it, okay, Reggie Miller, Yeah, Now it was

846
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: a problem. Does he do a lot of different at

847
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: taxes and stuff doing the game? Thought you all play

848
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: my games with you, But I mean he did it,

849
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: not just he did it everybody. I know he hit

850
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: like eight points and that second because everybody he did

851
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: wild Ship though, don't you think Spike Lee put him

852
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Famer and told that he wasn't

853
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Spike Lee made made him great.

854
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: He was very good. Spike Lee made him great. He

855
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: brought out another person. No, I think he always played

856
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: like that. It could play. I mean, I know he

857
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 1: could play, but he could play. Do you think it's

858
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: weird that he's never gotten his teeth fixed? Charles Oakley?

859
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: Do you think it's weird that Reggie Miller has never

860
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: gotten his teeth fix. Be honest, he's Michael Michael sken't

861
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: get his teeth fix. Yeah, but he's there's something cute

862
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: about Michael Straan teeth. I would think after all these years,

863
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller would get his fucking teeth fix. And when

864
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: you did you ever say to him? Did you or

865
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: any other REGI look at your fucking teeth, you look

866
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: like ship. So I never talked to guys. I just

867
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: talked about the way he's a dress now he wonder

868
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: he think he's the best dress. He won the worst

869
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: dress of Evan in the league period. But he's funny though,

870
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: he's funny. He's a funny guy though. The only great

871
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: job on TV. He's great. But I gotta be honest.

872
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: I saw him after he retired. I tried to make

873
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: peace with myself, and then when that last dance and

874
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: he was up there, I was like, I just can't.

875
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: I just can't funk with him. I'm just like, you know,

876
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: it's no disrespect, it's not personal. I just can't funk

877
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: with him. You know, I love all the players, He's

878
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: just the one I just can't get over. The hump

879
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: with I just I can't. I don't like him anything

880
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: about him. Those teams that you were going against, those

881
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: Indiana I mean I was at some of those games

882
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: in Indiana. Those fans were funked up out there. Let's see.

883
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't get into fans like doing the game. I

884
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: was in there and we thought we were gonna get killed.

885
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: I was there with sp I know. I think that

886
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who you know, like now, it's

887
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: more than that was. It's always a player pointing out

888
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: a fan like right. I worried about what the fans

889
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: gonna say stuff. And I mean, I know it's a

890
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: different time in different places. Anybody's saying ship to you though, Yeah,

891
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean they have a sign like the guy to

892
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: feel it right, someone the sound how much your mother

893
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: dinner last night? You know, they do all the kind

894
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: of stuff. But I don't know. I just didn't get

895
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: called in the fans. I love the fans in New York.

896
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: I love fans around Aminos because they showed me love.

897
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: But I don't have a problem with them. I got you.

898
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: But those Reggie Miller Pacers teams, how gratifying was it

899
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: to beat them? And how frustrating was it to lose

900
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: to them? I mean, I think when we missed the

901
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: passive miss that faking roll. I mean that that one

902
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: would hurt more than anything. But we didn't have a

903
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: problem beating there. It's just they'd be that that faker

904
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: roll in them not eight eight points and nothing cares?

905
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: Who cares? Who cares nothing. I'm just saying them hurt

906
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: them more than anything. But most time we had we

907
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: it went down to the wire. We could beat them

908
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: down the while, but we couldn't beat the bullets when

909
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: we needed. That was only different, you know, But it

910
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: was a great serious bulls in the paces. Yeah, they

911
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: were great with debt left no I mean Rick Smith's McKee,

912
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: the Davis, the Davis boys, Jalen who I liked, and

913
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: then you want to shave your head now I can't

914
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller. I hated Reggie Miller so much. He had

915
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: me hating one of my favorite players of all time,

916
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: Lefty from Brooklyn, New York, Chris Mullenck. I was like, Chris,

917
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: I can't funk with you now, like I have to

918
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: put you over here. Even Larry like I hated, I

919
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: fucking hated that fucking team. One of the things that

920
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: I think is great about having you here is in

921
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: this room and you don't even have to say anything.

922
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: It's been covered, it's been talked about. I've spoken about

923
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: it endlessly. I think the two people on this iron

924
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: wrap por Stereo Pokas are the two people that truly

925
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: dislike Dick Stain James Dolan the most. James Dolan, I'm

926
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: gonna tell you, he's not saying anything. You're such a

927
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: fuck what you did to Charles Oakley, what you've done

928
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: to the fans. If in fact, the New York Knicks

929
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: ever win a championship, and I truly don't think that's

930
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: gonna happen under your tenure, because you're the asbestos. You

931
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: you fuck, you are the asbestos in Madison Square Guarden.

932
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: If we ever did win a championship, it might be

933
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: three years, five years, eight years. Nice you will be booed.

934
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: I don't care if the Knicks come back in a

935
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: seven game series in the last second, four point play

936
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: and win in Madison Square Guarden, you you fuck will

937
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: be booed because of the way you treated oak the

938
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,479
Speaker 1: way you treated me, the way you cheat all the fans,

939
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: the way you cheated all the players. You're the reason

940
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: why Lebron James didn't come here. We all fucking know it.

941
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: You're the reason why the Knicks have that stink on them.

942
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: You fucking did this. You've never done anything. You're a

943
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: fake bluesman. Okay, you're not a guitar player, you don't

944
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: sing well. Your blues band sucks. Okay, you're blues band

945
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: fucking sucks. And ok I told you this. You know,

946
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: I got tickets for being high level actor for years.

947
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 1: When that incident happened to Madison Square Garden, I said, fuck,

948
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: I'd been worn once before, like you know, tone it

949
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: down about the team, but it was never anything personal.

950
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: Was I don't even remember fire this coach, two players, whatever.

951
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: But when that incident happened with you a Madison Square Garden,

952
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: it offended me, and I had never even met you.

953
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: It offended me so deeply because you, the style that

954
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: you played, and that team and those teams, but particularly you,

955
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: the style that you played represented and represents everything great

956
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: about New York. Tough, hard nosed lunch paill go to work.

957
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: Not the people that are on the front row, the

958
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: Howard Sterns, the Ben Stiller's the Spike LEAs the not

959
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: even the people that are in the second tier seats.

960
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: The way you're represented was the guys in the blue seats.

961
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: And to see that happen, I don't care what the fuck.

962
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: You might not have been having a great night, I

963
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: don't care about. In my opinion, Dolan, you motherfucker you

964
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: should have fucking left the arena because you don't fucking

965
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: do that. That would never happen to mL Carr in Boston,

966
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: it would never happen to Bill lane By or Rick Moore,

967
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: And in Detroit it would never happen. It was just

968
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: it just wouldn't have happened. And it was so offensive

969
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: to me that after that I went on Skip and

970
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Shin and I said, fuck this. I know I'm gonna

971
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: lose my seats. Fuck this fucking guy. You know, it

972
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: just bothered me, Uh, you know so much. And I

973
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: know it's like sort of been this internet crazy thing

974
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: when when you look back, is there anything you could

975
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: say about the whole situation, like, you know, where where

976
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: does it stand with you? Because if I don't glorify it,

977
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: I'll talk about it learn the book. I want to

978
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: thank you for taking a stand for me. But it

979
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: was just over the top. It was ridiculous and never

980
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: came down to that. It just he just showed his character.

981
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: He's not a good person. He's not a good person.

982
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: I think the fans are more than New York and

983
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: I think that you know, number one, it's the commission

984
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: to do nothing spend him and he made the whole

985
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: league look bad and make all of them look like

986
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: they treat people like that. So we have to see

987
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: what happened. Were in court, still in court, and um,

988
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: you know it's crazy. I'm gonna tell you a story.

989
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: So I don't get my free seats. Okay, I'm not

990
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: banned from the garden, but they don't give me free tickets.

991
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: Understandable because I said, fuck them, fuck your free tickets

992
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: that night too. But go ahead. You bought yours several times.

993
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: You bought tickets to the garden, motherfucker. You made Charles

994
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: Oakley by tickets to Madison Square Garden. You fuck. And

995
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: the thing about those teams, obviously we're a little bit better.

996
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 1: It was that I would say, like, why is anybody

997
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: going to see this fucking team? Go home and watch

998
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: Netflix and chill, watch sex in the City go to

999
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: see kats on broy Why the funk would anybody pay

1000
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: to see that fucking team? And Charles Oakley had to

1001
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: buy tickets to watch your team? You fuck you? The

1002
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: thing about Dolan, I'll tell you this. So this year,

1003
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: friend of mine has courtside seats to some games. You know,

1004
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 1: they always get a list of who's gonna be sitting there.

1005
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: So I go to the uh the game against the

1006
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: Lakers this season when Lebron had gotten suspended for the

1007
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: situation in Detroit sitting their courts I minded my business.

1008
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: I don't want no trouble. I've never been a heckler anyway.

1009
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: You know, I've never been, like I might say, like

1010
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: my my best heckling that I've ever did live was

1011
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: when Mason was with the Miami Heat. I was in

1012
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: Miami for some reason and they were playing um the

1013
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz, and I said to Karl Malone said, why

1014
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: don't you elbow Mace. You won't do that, shipped to me.

1015
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: That was as far as I took it, which wasn't

1016
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: anything like disrespectful whatever. But I'm not a heckler. That's

1017
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: not my thing. I've said things to Reggie Miller. But

1018
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: it's never like disrespectful or anything like that. I keep

1019
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: it within the confines of basketball. So this game, I

1020
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: specifically wasn't doing anything because they knew I was coming

1021
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: to the garden. I was happy to be back to

1022
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: watch the team. I was a guest of my friend,

1023
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: so I didn't want to like blow him up. I

1024
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: didn't say anything the whole time. I'll just say this. Allegedly,

1025
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: the owner of the Knicks was so upset that I

1026
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: was at the garden. He called allegedly the person that

1027
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: got me the twoke and and was like, why is

1028
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: he here? He shouldn't be here. Um, he's not a

1029
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: good person. All the things he said about the team,

1030
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: all these things he said about the garden, bought blah

1031
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. No incident. I get invited to another game.

1032
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: They said, you can't bring him to the game. Put

1033
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: him in the bleachers. You want to put me in

1034
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: the bleachers. Jane told you, fuck the bleachers. I don't

1035
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: sit in the fucking bleachers. I Michael Rappaport, You sit

1036
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: there like this like a fucking miserable ship with your girl.

1037
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: Who was some girl that you're always with there's always

1038
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: a girl there. You leave you sitting the fucking bleachers,

1039
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: James On, you fuck you anyway. Now I can't sit

1040
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: on the woods, so I can't sit on the fucking wood.

1041
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: Thing is he didn't send eight people to try to

1042
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: exco you out, though he did to me, I didn't

1043
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: say nothing. I mean some of the stuff you might

1044
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: be saying, I might be saying something. I adn't said

1045
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: nothing right to him, you know, saying something about the

1046
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, teammate gonna win fit the games. I hate

1047
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: it too, this and that. But I didn't you know

1048
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: says you know anybody heard you said more than what

1049
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: I said, But I don't know. It just took it.

1050
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: He took it personal with me. Just I don't know

1051
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: why you be there that were met him? Never met?

1052
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: Did you never came? You never came even when he

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Speaker 1: was the owner. No. I met his dad. Dad was nice.

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Speaker 1: You know they from Cleveland, from Cleveland, James do. I

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00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: didn't know that you're from Cleveland, You fuck you. You're

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Speaker 1: from fucking Cleveland, and you do this to a guy

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00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: from Aklin. You fuck you. That's even worse. I didn't

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Speaker 1: even know that. Um did Jacob who on the Cleveland

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00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: is on that he was like cousins first cousin and

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00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: you know so yeah he's from here's from family from Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Now have you ever listened to any of James Dolan's

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00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: blues band music? Really? You know, we should do I

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00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: heard it through someone out because they said something about

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00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: Oakley and he got the person that he liked getting

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00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: people at school out of places. He got license for

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00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: that thing because you know he likes that. You got

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00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: a kid throwing out the guard. Yeah, you got a

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00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: lawyer though, I mean, you just I don't know. Next

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Speaker 1: time we do a podcast, could we do uum as

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00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: a gag? We could do a James Dolan blues band

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00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: listening party? You I mean, we could sit there and

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00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: talk about how trash your band is, your music trash?

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Speaker 1: You fuck? Anyway? Oak are you going? Now? Here's another thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it on your behalf. No disrespect to

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Speaker 1: the great Dominique Wilkins. No disrespect to the great Bill Walton.

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Speaker 1: The NBA All Star Game is coming up. It's in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: I am a former celebrity game m V p Okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm I won the m V p ok so amongst

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00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: other things you should be assistant coach or something. You

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00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: know you should be assistant. You should be coaching that. Again,

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00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: no disrespect to Dominique. Everybody loves Dominique. Bill Walton, Um,

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Speaker 1: are are you going to the NBA Allstar Game Cleveland?

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00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm having an Oakley Foundation All Star weekend events.

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Speaker 1: I'm going back doing stuff in the city of my school. Uh,

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Speaker 1: giving back. Um. I had called the NBA about trying

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00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: to be your partner and they said nothing they can

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00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: do to help me. Really disappointing. Yeah, me too, and

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00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: it's in my city. Yeah, they haven't asked me to

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Speaker 1: do anything. And talk about you know, you you don't

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00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: put it on front Street. But you know, when we

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: were doing the Big Three every city, not every city,

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00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: but a lot of times when we go from city

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00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: to city, whether it was Atlanta, whether it was I

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00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: mean we went all over the place. Talk about when

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00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: you cooking for people and what that means you and

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00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: break that down, be a little bit, you know, unhumble

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Speaker 1: about it. No, I mean that's something you know, I say,

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Speaker 1: growing up, my my grandmother needs to do that. My

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Speaker 1: aunt's you know, everybody mother always like on holiday time,

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Speaker 1: give back to the people who don't have something. But

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00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: when I was coaching the Big Three, we was going

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Speaker 1: to city lower incomes, you know, trying to shelters and stuff.

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Speaker 1: So we was fine. Before we get there, we know

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Speaker 1: we'll be doing how many people are gonna cook for us,

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Speaker 1: So we had to get two on three other people

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Speaker 1: to get a little staffs together. I go to cook

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Speaker 1: the food and we were taking it to the people's

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00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: and you know, like Super Bowl weekend, I'm going out

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Speaker 1: to l A. I'm gonna do skid row again. And

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Speaker 1: I think that why do you do that? Just because

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00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: I know them people out there skin roll, they need help,

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00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: they need a good meal, and most of them won't

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Speaker 1: be able to watch the game. So we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: a big screen TV, invite you know, at least five

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Speaker 1: or six hundred people and hopefully they can have a

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Speaker 1: good time. That's what my foundation all got hungry. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do that for more years to come and just

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01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: try to make it easy for people. And I know

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01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: that the people that skid role gonna George. I know

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Speaker 1: the game is in l A. But still though they

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Speaker 1: don't have TV, they don't know when when they next

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Speaker 1: meal coming from So we're gonna make sure to get

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Speaker 1: a good hot meal on Super Bowl Sunday real quick.

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Speaker 1: In the NBA today, Uh, what teams do you like?

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Speaker 1: What teams do you not like? Currently? Obviously you know

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01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: did the nets could change with one, you know, Kevin

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01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: Durant playing, You know what? What's your take on the

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Speaker 1: landscape of the NBA. With the NBA right now, so

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Speaker 1: basically you have to go out west It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: your phoenix and uh going to State Warrior Memphis. Um,

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Speaker 1: I thought l A will maybe be in that little circle.

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01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: But l A they're not playing well why aren't they?

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01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: Do you think they're are shipping on Russ of Westbrook

1134
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: too much? It's like fault, Well, somebody gotta take the blame.

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01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: Most times, you know, they give it to the coach.

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01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: But when you're shooting from the field, having six of

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01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: them turn over the game, I mean they can they

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01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: can put their fingers that in youth will be a leader,

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01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: been a leade thirteen years. So my thing is they

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01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: just don't have good chemistry. I know what they said,

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01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: Lebron these shooters this and that, but they don't have

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Speaker 1: the A d been out sixteen eighteen games. Lebron been

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01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: in and out, so they got a lot going on,

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01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 1: they know, for being a championship or nothing team, but

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01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: they don't play like that. Now. They went three games

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Speaker 1: on the five, so you go to the East. UM,

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Speaker 1: I think Milwaukee is showing that why they want the championship.

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Speaker 1: They you know, they had, They've been struggling, but they

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Speaker 1: rising to the top. Miami, UM underdog probably would be

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Speaker 1: I was thinking Chicago, but I think it gonna be Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: And Cleveland just gotta you know, made a big trade.

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01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: Cleveland is good. Brooklyn Katie is hurted right now, so

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01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: I know that. But you know, everybody wanted to be

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Speaker 1: ce l A and Brooklyn and Tampisary don't work like that,

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Speaker 1: I know. But what do you think about how thing

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01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: the last two years of football to home team playing

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01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: at home in the Super Bowl. But I know, you know,

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Speaker 1: like even listen, you know they talk about great players

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Speaker 1: that didn't win championships. You talk about Patrick, we talk

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: about Carmel and we talked about Alan Iverson. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure if it was the rules that are going

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Speaker 1: on in the NBA now, you know, with the Carl

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Speaker 1: Carl didn't win one. Um, you know Gary one his

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Speaker 1: in Miami. Uh, you know, there's plenty of great players

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Speaker 1: that are not gonna win championships. I call it actually

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Speaker 1: the Charles Barkley effect because for years, Shaq, Kenny and

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Speaker 1: whoever was up there with Barkley. You you know, bark

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01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: is a great player, but every time they would want

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01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: to shut Barkley to go, you ain't got no rings.

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Speaker 1: You ain't got no rings. And I think for twenty

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01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: five years, these kids have been watching me like I

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01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: don't want to be Charles Barkley, and I'm like funk that.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Brooklyn Nets team and the l A

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01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: Lakers seems like, don't do anything to get that ring.

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01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: Like you know, like if the Brooklyn Nets won a championship, well,

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Speaker 1: this year they've been through something, if somehow they want

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Speaker 1: a championship. But last year it's like, yeah, you haven't

1178
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: been through adverse, you haven't been bumped out of the playoffs.

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01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: It's just like you got the best guys, you show

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01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,479
Speaker 1: up at the park with this crew, and you stay

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01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: on the court all there. I don't think there's any

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01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: like would they cry, would they would there be that

1183
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: Michael Jordans on the you know ground, you know, crying

1184
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: moment because they didn't go through anything. It's just like

1185
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: this contrived team. Well, I think in this age, in

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01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: this game, it's like championship. You go for a job

1187
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: in the NBA or any kind of positions, got to

1188
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: do it. They always like, you know, commentating this and that.

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Speaker 1: They if you see everybody, maybe it's up Charles Barkley.

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Speaker 1: Most of the guys you see, you know, Reggy Miller

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01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: Hill on TNT. But most of the guys in football

1192
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: or basketball, they want you to have a ring. And

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01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: then they started talking about if you ain't got a ring,

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01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: like you're important. I don't get that. It's ridiculous. Ain't

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01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: you said? Everybody can't win, so don't hold it against me.

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01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: I might have the talent to be a you know,

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01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: but they you know, they pick who they want to pick.

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01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: You know, they ain't gonna just you know, so you

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Speaker 1: gotta like coaching in the NFL, so many guys you

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01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: can tell gonna be coaches. They're like NBA. You know,

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01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: when most guys finish their career, you know what this

1202
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: guy going, that guy going, especially later in your career

1203
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's not fair for them to always

1204
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: try to dictate. If you don't have a ring, you

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01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,919
Speaker 1: can't be a part of this, all right. The Last

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Speaker 1: Enforcer Charles Oakley in bookstores, now online, every single place

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Speaker 1: you buy books. UH, support the book. Read the book.

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01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: Especially New York Knicks fans, Toronto Raptors fans, NBA fans,

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01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: read The Last Enforcer. It's a great read. It's an

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: easy read. You'll learn more about him and you'll be

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01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: so swooped down memory lane. Especially you you Work Knicks fans,

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01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: You Indiana Pacer fans, you'll love it. To Chicago Bull fans,

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Speaker 1: you should read it. Also Last Enforcer, The Great Charles Oakley,

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Speaker 1: Iron Wrappers Stereo podcast done. Thank you,