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Speaker 1: Well Tuesday here in this program. You know what that means.
Speaker 1: Last night was Monday Night Raw, which was in fact
Speaker 1: the fallout for the Royal Rumble, if you guys know
Speaker 1: this or not. But in three weeks w w E
Speaker 1: is in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. For yes, the
Speaker 1: Elimination Chamber in Saudi Arabia, and we're going to tell
Speaker 1: you what they have set up so far, including an
Speaker 1: elimination Chamber match that involves both Bobby Lashley and Brock Lesner.
Speaker 1: What does not involve is Shane McMahon because plans have
Speaker 1: changed again. And yes, we will tell you what some
Speaker 1: of those plans were and what they may still be
Speaker 1: or may not still be, so a lot of things change.
Speaker 1: We talked about a little bit yesterday, the booking of
Speaker 1: the Men's Rumble, the booking of the Women's Rumble, the
Speaker 1: number of people that have been fired that ended up
Speaker 1: being called to please show up at the Rumble, including
Speaker 1: Naya Jack's who and no uncertain terms told them to
Speaker 1: I can't say here on the radio what she told
Speaker 1: them to do, but she did. We'll tell you about that.
Speaker 1: We've got the SmackDown ratings for the go home show,
Speaker 1: we got the a W Rampage ratings, a full recap
Speaker 1: of Monday Night Raw, and plenty more lots to get
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Speaker 1: the break. Lots of news to get into and we'll
Speaker 1: be back with more and momently, shall we just start
Speaker 1: with raw? Get it over with a lot of news
Speaker 1: coming out of this raw show. Let's go real fast, alright.
Speaker 1: So it opened up with Bobby Lashly and m v
Speaker 1: P in the ring doing a promo, and out came
Speaker 1: brock Lesner and he was in his gear and he said, listen,
Speaker 1: you can't be happy about how you won last night.
Speaker 1: I mean Roman Reigns, Paul Hayman, everybody interfeared. But don't worry,
Speaker 1: he said, I will not be choosing you as my
Speaker 1: opponent at WrestleMania. I will be choosing Roman Reigns, but
Speaker 1: it will be a title versus title match because I
Speaker 1: want you in the ring tonight. And of course m
Speaker 1: VP would not allow this, and so Lessner started the
Speaker 1: fans doing a chance which they bleeped out, and they
Speaker 1: announced that Lessner is going to be in the elimination
Speaker 1: Chamber match in Saudi Arabia, which means literally, there's only
Speaker 1: two options here. One Lessner walks out of the chamber
Speaker 1: as the champion, or two Lessner gets beaten in the chamber.
Speaker 1: I'll talk about this in a minute, because there's a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about there. Rea Ripley beat Nikki ash
Speaker 1: in eight minutes, four minutes of which it was during
Speaker 1: the commercial hit her with the riptide pinder clean in
Speaker 1: the middle. You know, I normally like if I or
Speaker 1: any other company and say, well, it's ind of that feud,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure they'll keep wrestling for like, you know,
Speaker 1: all the way to wrestle me. We had the Alpha
Speaker 1: Academy Academic Challenge. Uh, there was a scooter race and
Speaker 1: last week they were teasing that Randy Orton was gonna
Speaker 1: have to get on a scooter and Otis as well.
Speaker 1: But Otis did not get on the scooter. But they
Speaker 1: literally they did this for like an hour on and
Speaker 1: aftering breaks, and then right when Riddle was going to
Speaker 1: cross the finish line, Otis just ran him over and
Speaker 1: killed him. And then Chad Gable cross the finish line.
Speaker 1: That was a payoff to this one. Last week's was awesome.
Speaker 1: This one sucked. And on top of that, no Randy
Speaker 1: Orton on the show. And I do not know what
Speaker 1: is going on with Randy Orton, but I was told
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be gone for a little while. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I don't nobody he'll be back. They're
Speaker 1: continuing on as if you know they'll be getting a
Speaker 1: championship match maybe the chamber. So he might have like
Speaker 1: a minor injury. I don't know, but he wasn't on
Speaker 1: the show. And uh, of course when they say he
Speaker 1: won't be back for a little while, he could be
Speaker 1: back Monday. But that's what I was told. We had
Speaker 1: the first of many Alexa Bliss segments. She's been given
Speaker 1: a replica Lily. It uh sucks. MMS beat Dominic Mysterio
Speaker 1: in two minutes. If you here they're gonna do Dominic
Speaker 1: Mysterial versus Miss. You think what a styles clash, Well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't because they didn't even do a match. MS
Speaker 1: ran around and then there was distraction. He pretended like
Speaker 1: he tripped the refugected ray. This idiot Dominic has distracted
Speaker 1: and pinned with a skull crushing finale. This did nobody
Speaker 1: any favors Ko show with seth Rawlins. Seth Rawlins reveals
Speaker 1: I'm in the chamber. Kevin Owens says, what I have
Speaker 1: to qualify to get in the chamber, So says, well,
Speaker 1: I beat Roman Reragins last night. I don't have to qualify.
Speaker 1: Kevin says, why don't you go to the back and
Speaker 1: you tell them that if they don't just put me
Speaker 1: in the chamber, you are going to walk. You're just
Speaker 1: gonna refuse to to be in the chamber. Rollins like, ah,
Speaker 1: he's not damn with this idea. But it's too late
Speaker 1: because outcomes Kevin Owens opponent, Austin Theory. Austin Theory beat
Speaker 1: Kevin Owens. I would go as fast as they clean.
Speaker 1: He kicked the ropes into his genitalia and then hit
Speaker 1: his finish and pinned him. Austin Theory is now in
Speaker 1: the chamber, replacing Shane McMahon. Tell you more about that
Speaker 1: in a minute. Angelo Dawkins and Dolves Ziggler four minutes.
Speaker 1: It was fine Angelo Dawkins, hometown guy. He won, but
Speaker 1: I mean nothing really to write home about. Elimination Chamber
Speaker 1: qualifying match. Riddle and Otis wrestling was good. It was
Speaker 1: and I swear and I love both guys. The longest
Speaker 1: seven minute and twenty six second match I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in my lifetime. Odas just beat this guy for seven
Speaker 1: minutes and twenty five of the seven minute and twenty
Speaker 1: six segments or seconds just went for ever and then
Speaker 1: Riddle did it come back floating, bro pinned him. That
Speaker 1: was a match. Riddle is in the elimination chamber. Bianca
Speaker 1: bell Air defeated Carmela five minutes and thirty two seconds.
Speaker 1: Felt like he went five hours, stalling, stalling, stalling, stalling.
Speaker 1: Match finally starts, Carmela gets the heat chinlock chinlock, chinlock, chinlock, chinlock.
Speaker 1: Then they botched the spot and then Bianca just grabs
Speaker 1: her and hit her with her finishing pinzer. Not good.
Speaker 1: She wasn't looking good at this point. But then it
Speaker 1: all turned around because we had aj Styles and Ray mystereo.
Speaker 1: They went twelve minutes, very very good match, two professionals.
Speaker 1: The fans got into it. Everything looked good. AJ Styles
Speaker 1: beat him with the Styles clash, so now he's in
Speaker 1: the chamber. This is the best thing on the show.
Speaker 1: By Miles and Miles and Miles and Miles, and then
Speaker 1: the main event yesterday, I said, if you look at
Speaker 1: the storyline here, there is one person the Ronda Rousey
Speaker 1: shouldn't want to face at WrestleMania after winning the Rumble.
Speaker 1: It's Becky because last year or they did the three
Speaker 1: way at WrestleMania and Becky kind of sort of pined Ronda.
Speaker 1: She was supposed to, but she actually did because Runda
Speaker 1: got her shoulder up. It was an accident, she didn't
Speaker 1: mean to get it up and just say they screwed
Speaker 1: up the finish and then run to left. And so,
Speaker 1: knowing all of this, Ronn It should come back and say,
Speaker 1: bro I never got pinned, I never lost my title.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat you and I'm gonna win my belt back.
Speaker 1: But instead of Ronnie gets in the ring and she explains,
Speaker 1: I am the main event over Becky Lynch. Becky is
Speaker 1: my undercard, so I'm not gonna dignify her with a
Speaker 1: big match at WrestleMania. I was like what, But then
Speaker 1: she doesn't even challenge Charlotte. The Becky comes out, I mean,
Speaker 1: she's dressed like a fukiguan death and this segment was
Speaker 1: death and she's in there and she's like doing all
Speaker 1: the ha ha. Rhonda is supposed to be a baby face,
Speaker 1: but she looks like she just hates life and doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be there. This segment was a I mean,
Speaker 1: when this segment was over, I didn't want to see
Speaker 1: this match. I certainly don't want to see run in Charlotte, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's up with Rhonda, but bro she's
Speaker 1: out there acting all Healis, but the fans are like
Speaker 1: cheering her. They cheered the night before, they cheer when
Speaker 1: she won, they cheered when she came out here. But
Speaker 1: she hates them, and I was just like whatever, And
Speaker 1: then she lays out Lynch and then she says, I'll
Speaker 1: make my decision Friday, even though they promised you'd make
Speaker 1: the decision on this show. So I thought this segment
Speaker 1: was a total swing and a miss, but I rushed
Speaker 1: to the raw pork because there's a lot to say here.
Speaker 1: Rhonda is likely and anything can change. She is going
Speaker 1: to challenge Charlotte. It's gonna be run in Charlotte this year,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be uh, Rhonda and Becky next year.
Speaker 1: That's the plan for the men. It is going to
Speaker 1: be Rhonda Rousey sorry, Roman reigns and Brock Lessner. That's
Speaker 1: the Wrestlemanian main event. So what they want to do
Speaker 1: is they wanna keep Romans strong and they want to
Speaker 1: keep Brock strong. Okay, so their brilliant idea. The rumble was, well,
Speaker 1: you know We're gonna have Roman looks strong by beating
Speaker 1: up Seth with a chair, but we don't want to
Speaker 1: hurt Seth, so we'll do a d Q and then
Speaker 1: Roman's gonna beat him with a chair, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: Seth didn't even sell the next so like nobody knows
Speaker 1: what they're doing here. So the the Chamber match Brock lessner.
Speaker 1: I mean, he either wins or he gets beaten again
Speaker 1: in their plan to keep him strong going into the
Speaker 1: match with the Roman rings. I was told multiple times
Speaker 1: and that's w w E. So this means nothing. But
Speaker 1: I was told multiple times. It is not title versus title,
Speaker 1: Roman versus Brock, even though Roman and Brock have done
Speaker 1: storylines talking about how they wanted to be a title versus.
Speaker 1: They're telling you what they want, but apparently that's not
Speaker 1: the plan. So it either is the plan now or
Speaker 1: Brock is gonna get beaten in the Elimination Chamber. It's
Speaker 1: part of the plan to keep him strong going up
Speaker 1: against Roman Reigns at WrestleMania. This is one of those
Speaker 1: things where they got all these ideas about what they want,
Speaker 1: but like they have no idea, Like if I want something,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Mike, if I want a ribby,
Speaker 1: do you know what I do? Well, I go to
Speaker 1: I go to the store and I get a ribby. Okay,
Speaker 1: these guys want to push young talent. I any times
Speaker 1: I've heard Days say this. They know they need young talent.
Speaker 1: They want to push young talent. Well that's all fine
Speaker 1: and good, but they have no clue how you know
Speaker 1: you push a young talent, You push them and they
Speaker 1: don't lose. These idiots, oh well, you know, we'll give
Speaker 1: you know, Austin theory win, but then you had to
Speaker 1: beat him in the chamber. They don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: So the other thing is, yes, I can confirm that
Speaker 1: as of a couple of days ago, their plan, their
Speaker 1: plan for Bobby Lashly the wrestle media was Shane McMahon. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think that's changed, but that absolutely one was their plan.
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about this train wreck after the break
Speaker 1: Observer Live leave check. I've almost done, Mike, so listen Shane.
Speaker 1: Multiple people told me this that Shane and Bobby Lashley
Speaker 1: was discussed. I think after whatever happened at the Royal
Speaker 1: Rumble or whatever happened yesterday, I think that and I
Speaker 1: know also because Dave mentioned this that it was then
Speaker 1: going to be Shane McMahon versus seth Rawlins at WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: but then, uh, you know, Shane wasn't email on the
Speaker 1: show at all, so I don't even know if she's
Speaker 1: gonna be at wrestle Media. Shane Shane did in fact
Speaker 1: have heat Sunday, because Shane showed up and tried to
Speaker 1: run the show for the Men's Rumble and rubbed a
Speaker 1: lot of people the wrong way and had blood of
Speaker 1: heat as a result. And I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: the reason that that things changed or or what the
Speaker 1: situation is. And I like to add, by the way that, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of this or not,
Speaker 1: but I wrote an article for Sports Illustrated. It's on
Speaker 1: my Twitter at Bryan Alvarez, and I mentioned the Men's
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble was boring, and uh, I saw some bloke
Speaker 1: on my timeline go oh. This article was such that
Speaker 1: it left me actually enjoying the show more than I had. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, I'm such a jerk for saying
Speaker 1: the Men's Rumble was boring. Well, yeah, we pleased to
Speaker 1: know that I'm not the only one with the Men's
Speaker 1: Rumble was boring. They're well aware that the Men's rumble
Speaker 1: was boring, and uh there plan is to make sure
Speaker 1: next year it's not boring. Okay, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's easy. I was boring this year, but next year
Speaker 1: we'll make sure it's not born. How are you gonna
Speaker 1: do that same way you decided to push Young Island
Speaker 1: like Cora Jade. Huh. I hear so many things. It's so, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we know we gotta do this. Oh, we know, we
Speaker 1: gotta do that. Oh we know we got we'll do it.
Speaker 1: What are you waiting for? I'm sick of hearing they
Speaker 1: know what they need to do because they never actually
Speaker 1: do it. A go ahead, Mike, I need to take
Speaker 1: a break. Oh no, I'm not gonna let you do
Speaker 1: that quite yet, because I'm gonna bait you in by
Speaker 1: saying I don't even start yet. You were the one
Speaker 1: that complained on Wrestling Observer Radio last night that Austin
Speaker 1: Theory got himself a clean win over Kevin Owens Brian Alvarez.
Speaker 1: How do you explain yourself, bro, I wasn't complaining that
Speaker 1: you gotta clean win over I was baffled that of
Speaker 1: the two of them, Kevin Owens wasn't in the chamber. Okay,
Speaker 1: because you know what they're gonna do with Austin Theory
Speaker 1: in the chamber. They're gonna beat him. I even said
Speaker 1: it during the rest. And they needed they need somebody
Speaker 1: they can beat in the chamber because it's elimination chamber.
Speaker 1: Raise your hand if you think Austin Theories winning that chamber. Oh, nobody, okay,
Speaker 1: because he's not gonna welld on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: Brock Lesner can come out of the chamber without the
Speaker 1: title because he doesn't have to get beat. He can
Speaker 1: murder everybody, and they could do something stupid. They could
Speaker 1: do something with the with the USO's and with Roman
Speaker 1: Reigns and with somebody, some hired hand by Paul Aman. Look,
Speaker 1: it's not impossible that happens because Austin Theory gets the victory.
Speaker 1: I mean, you already have your two wrestleman numine events
Speaker 1: Brock and Roman Reigns supersedes everything. Then you throw in
Speaker 1: Ronda against Charlotte. If you put the title on Austin Theory.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're going to do that, but like
Speaker 1: it's within the realm of possibility. There's a percentage chance
Speaker 1: you could do that and not miss anything, because otherwise,
Speaker 1: what do you do? You put the title back on
Speaker 1: Bobby Lashly. I mean to me, I put the title
Speaker 1: on Brock and I have a title versus title match.
Speaker 1: But they're obviously not going to do that, at least
Speaker 1: that's not their plan. So if you do at you
Speaker 1: could actually have all some theory come out of this thing.
Speaker 1: Is it the worst idea in the world? No? Is
Speaker 1: it the best idea in the world. No, But you
Speaker 1: could actually do that, you know. I I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys are aware of this or not, but
Speaker 1: there's this other promotion called a w heard of it?
Speaker 1: You heard of it? Yeah? You know? Uh, they got
Speaker 1: these guys are called the Four Pillars, the four Young Pillars.
Speaker 1: You know these guys. It was like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: the Jungle Boy, and there's m JF. Yeah, and there's
Speaker 1: a Semivara yeah and Darby Allen you know those guys,
Speaker 1: Yeah heard them? Yeah? Stars, Oh there's stars now for sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: young fact. You know what they even got like a
Speaker 1: back hold on pillars, like you know, hold on They're
Speaker 1: all under thirty. Yeah, you know, m JF is twenty
Speaker 1: five and like he legitimately is the biggest quarter hour
Speaker 1: ratings movie that they have. So anyway, you know they
Speaker 1: all have in common. What's that, Well, they have this
Speaker 1: other thing I don't know if you're aware of. It's
Speaker 1: called pro fight dB dot com. And go up there
Speaker 1: and check everyone's win loss records. Yeah, you should probably
Speaker 1: go there and check the win loss records of of
Speaker 1: all these guys. Bet you're pretty good. Yeah. You know
Speaker 1: It's funny is they never lose, and when they do lose,
Speaker 1: it's very very very rarely. I bet you it's for
Speaker 1: a reason too, and they win again, and you know
Speaker 1: there's uh because you know, you know it's what's funny
Speaker 1: is it's actually not hard unless you make it hard.
Speaker 1: And I've never I have never in my life. I'm
Speaker 1: not making this up. I have never seen a company
Speaker 1: that makes it hard more than w w E never.
Speaker 1: I have never seen one ever makes it so difficult
Speaker 1: to do anything like. I don't know, bro, Look, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta I got a book written by written by
Speaker 1: Scott Teal and uh, forget what else it is, but
Speaker 1: this Amarillo book with wrestling results from nineteen eleven and
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty historical stuff, newspaper clippings, all this stuff. Guy
Speaker 1: talks about bringing his four pillars out not even lying
Speaker 1: to you, is four young stars that he's going to
Speaker 1: build a proportion around. I'm not even lying to you
Speaker 1: about this. This is pro wrestling. It's very simple. It's
Speaker 1: very easy when you actually plan things out and you
Speaker 1: think about things, and you give everyone a value, and
Speaker 1: everyone's got pros and cons and people they can't beat
Speaker 1: and people they can beat, and just I mean, forget
Speaker 1: forgetting long to forge by that, I'll make it easier
Speaker 1: for you. Don't beat him, but but you can hold on.
Speaker 1: You can beat him, but it's got to mean something.
Speaker 1: Beatings it doesn't look here. You're not wrong, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you why you're wrong. Okay. In the case
Speaker 1: of w W each you're right. Okay. If you have
Speaker 1: anything resembling a clue, you can beat someone, and you
Speaker 1: can you can make it work. Okay. The problem is
Speaker 1: they don't have a clue, Okay, So don't complicate it.
Speaker 1: Just don't beat them. You don't know how to beat them,
Speaker 1: So don't beat them. Because I'm not I had to
Speaker 1: break k fame everybody, but it's fake. Oh you don't
Speaker 1: have to beat anybody, don't want to, but these guys,
Speaker 1: and you know it's funny too, is is is there
Speaker 1: are two theories. There's the first theory, which is don't
Speaker 1: beat them, and then there's the other theory, which is, well,
Speaker 1: we can beat them. Well we'll make sure they're in
Speaker 1: the ring with somebody so they get the rub as
Speaker 1: they lose. Okay, well, you know what, we've seen one
Speaker 1: way of doing it for the last twenty years and
Speaker 1: they ain't got no stars. And then you've got the
Speaker 1: other way of doing it, and they built four stars
Speaker 1: in two years. Okay, So it kind of tells me
Speaker 1: that whatever your plan is to get over these young stars,
Speaker 1: it ain't working. But even more than that, it's likely
Speaker 1: not only four stars. Then it's like you look at
Speaker 1: like the next surrounding tier Britt Baker, yeah, check checker
Speaker 1: win loss. You know, you look at people who came
Speaker 1: from the outside that WW didn't put any value on,
Speaker 1: and you look at their records like Serena Deep and
Speaker 1: thunder Rosa, and you look at how they're treated and
Speaker 1: you just again it's a W is not perfect, certainly
Speaker 1: not perfect. They do a lot of things that make
Speaker 1: me want to slam my head against the wall, but
Speaker 1: nothing like w w E. I mean, because at least
Speaker 1: a e W is still in the realm of professional
Speaker 1: wrestling and things being booked and planned like every other
Speaker 1: wrestling promotion on the planet with the exception of w
Speaker 1: w E. And I don't know how long you want
Speaker 1: to continue on and what talking points you want to
Speaker 1: take away from raw numbers. You know, it's moving numbers
Speaker 1: for very w whether you whether you like her matches
Speaker 1: or not, Jade Cardial, maybe her win loss record on
Speaker 1: don't you compare her win loss record to uh, Cora Jade?
Speaker 1: Tell me who's moving numbers and who's not? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Daniel Garcia, Uh you know, is a good example of
Speaker 1: somebody who can lose matches if you're a young guy,
Speaker 1: if they're to the right people. And this is where
Speaker 1: this is where it bumps up a little bit against
Speaker 1: what Brian said. But unfortunately, because it's w w E.
Speaker 1: He's right, you can't oversimple of you know, you need
Speaker 1: to oversimplify these things. You need to make it as
Speaker 1: easy as possible. And you know, if you want to
Speaker 1: throw anything to austin theory now going on to go
Speaker 1: ahead and win, you know, look strong these next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. You got a couple of wings against other
Speaker 1: people and do it cleanly. You might have something with
Speaker 1: him coming out of the chamber with the title. Again.
Speaker 1: It may not be the best idea in the world,
Speaker 1: but you know, for what we're talking about in this situation,
Speaker 1: you know it fits. Now. I am gonna put one
Speaker 1: positive on too raw even though you keep the segment
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like last week's. We must celebrate Chad
Speaker 1: Gable and Otis both together in their quicksilver outfits. That
Speaker 1: Chad Gable said that we're given to him by fellow
Speaker 1: Olympians speed skaters who helped him train for this whole deal.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what Randy weren't being out, you know,
Speaker 1: had to do with any of this, probably didn't affect
Speaker 1: anything whatsoever, considering the whole concept kind of sucked. And
Speaker 1: then you know, led to the ending. But Otis is
Speaker 1: still not shakes and waits Otis, But at least they're
Speaker 1: having him come out of the show a little bit
Speaker 1: and be somewhat of a goofball and try to regain
Speaker 1: some of his charisma. And Chad Gable is fantastic. Barn On,
Speaker 1: he has been great, and he has been an m
Speaker 1: v P on that show. And they'll probably kill him
Speaker 1: death sometimes soon. What he's he's scooting around on a scooter.
Speaker 1: He's he's And and let's talk about young austin theory.
Speaker 1: You know those segments with Vince McMahon. It wins a
Speaker 1: man to be a cheating it's gonna get eliminated in
Speaker 1: the chamber. And meanwhile, who can we have face Bobby
Speaker 1: Lashly at Wrestle Media. I got an idea, Shane McMahon.
Speaker 1: But you know what, you know what we know we
Speaker 1: need to make young stars. We do know that. Hey, Brian,
Speaker 1: you know there's a kid that became a star in
Speaker 1: a w before he even wrestled his first match. Oh,
Speaker 1: Hook Hook? Have you looked at Hook's win loss record?
Speaker 1: Pretty good? Let's look at the Cook's win loss record
Speaker 1: compared to us in theory. See which one is a
Speaker 1: star and which one isn't. Back in a moment observer life,
Speaker 1: Oh I love this story. Here, what I'm gonna read it?
Speaker 1: Let me get back here? Alright? I scrolled down too
Speaker 1: far on that Raw report. During an interview on the
Speaker 1: Sessions with Renee puck Hat, the former NIA Jack's revealed
Speaker 1: that she turned out an offer to appear in this
Speaker 1: year's Women's Royal Rumble match. She was released by w
Speaker 1: w E during a round of roster cuts last November.
Speaker 1: On the session she received, she said she received a
Speaker 1: call from someone in Talent Relations when w w E
Speaker 1: was putting together a list of possible Women's Royal Rumble participants. Funnin,
Speaker 1: which is a real name, said that she thought the
Speaker 1: call was a joke, but then she was told it
Speaker 1: was serious and her response was she would absolutely not
Speaker 1: be in the Royal Rumble. Oh yeah, she said, I
Speaker 1: did receive a call. I was in the middle of
Speaker 1: trying to get my stuff back. I had a bunch
Speaker 1: of crap, you know how that is, Like you should
Speaker 1: have been shoving stuff and everybody's boxes or whatever. So
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of getting my stuff back. They
Speaker 1: sent me a box and like more than half was missing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, what's going on. When I got the call,
Speaker 1: I thought it was about where's my stuff? So I answered,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, what's up. My homie and tr they
Speaker 1: were like, hey, we're just calling to see if you're
Speaker 1: interested in participating in the royal rumble. And I started
Speaker 1: hysterically laughing because I thought it was my friend joking
Speaker 1: with me. I was like, Oh, you're freaking hilarious. He
Speaker 1: was like, actually, no, this is an official call. And
Speaker 1: I said, oh, f no, I'm not coming back. And
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, we'd like to offer you this.
Speaker 1: I said, first of all, I already know I'm still
Speaker 1: under my ninety days. You're still gonna be paying me anyway,
Speaker 1: so you're not offering me anything. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not effing coming back, absolutely effing not. I was like,
Speaker 1: is this all this was? And he said yes, And
Speaker 1: I said, okay, by what a baby face turn. Let's
Speaker 1: not go that far, but maybe a tweener. Amazing, amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing that you go ahead and you lay somebody off
Speaker 1: like that who's still under their ninety days, and then go, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to come back, we'll give you stuff. Get
Speaker 1: the hell out of here. Mean, look, dude, they called
Speaker 1: so many people. They just fired. We just fired you,
Speaker 1: but suddenly we realized we need you. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: And if you didn't know, there was a Royal Rumble
Speaker 1: coming up. Some people it's worth taking the payday. There
Speaker 1: are other people where it's like there are people that go, well,
Speaker 1: if that money was offered for you to you, you
Speaker 1: take it. No, wouldn't. If there was somewhere I didn't
Speaker 1: like and the people that I worked for I didn't like,
Speaker 1: and the entire experience sucked, I probably wouldn't go back
Speaker 1: for any amount of money because I don't just don't
Speaker 1: like going back and taking that kind of beating again.
Speaker 1: Just there's other things in this world for me to do.
Speaker 1: There's other things in this world for Nia Jacks to do,
Speaker 1: so she's going out there to do them. And I
Speaker 1: don't blame her for her response whatsoever. And I'm surprised
Speaker 1: she didn't curse more. Now with that being said, uh,
Speaker 1: with all of those kudos to Nia Jacks, thank god
Speaker 1: she's not coming back, because I don't look, I saw
Speaker 1: enough botches between Shane mcmannon and Alicia Fox on Saturday Night.
Speaker 1: I don't need to see anybody battered about anymore, which
Speaker 1: was another part of her conversation with Renee where she
Speaker 1: mentioned she has been hurt by all of the criticism
Speaker 1: that she has gotten over the years about hurting people.
Speaker 1: To her knowledge, she has only hurt two people, Becky,
Speaker 1: which everybody knows about when she busted her nose, and
Speaker 1: then one other person who shall remain anonymous. Now, I
Speaker 1: did see one person that wrote that person's name is
Speaker 1: Kyrie Alexa Kyrie again and then listed a bunch of names,
Speaker 1: including Ron Killings because yes, Niajacks still Ron Killings and
Speaker 1: apparently pissed him off. Uh So, who knows who she's
Speaker 1: talking about or who the other person is that she
Speaker 1: thinks that she hurt and was the only other person.
Speaker 1: But there were plenty of people, both on and off
Speaker 1: the record, at least mostly off the record. I guess
Speaker 1: some have said on the record that they didn't like
Speaker 1: jiving with Nijacks. Well maybe maybe she only injured two people,
Speaker 1: but hurt doesn't Yes a good point, good point perspective,
Speaker 1: I guess some man tis all right. Person says there's
Speaker 1: an interview on w w e s YouTube page where
Speaker 1: Round is getting interviewed after the Rumble victory. She's kind
Speaker 1: of mean to the interviewer and she does a hell
Speaker 1: like promo saying the fans cheered for me and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna fall for it again, dude. You know what
Speaker 1: I always just remember when like you know that I
Speaker 1: was an I'll be right back, go ahead, like be
Speaker 1: picked on, you know Ronda of like you know just
Speaker 1: I she would drive me nuts during UFC interviews. And
Speaker 1: it's a matter of like sometimes you don't want to
Speaker 1: deal with the media, and I get that, but there's
Speaker 1: another thing to be combative with everybody that you come
Speaker 1: in contact with, and you just have to be, you know,
Speaker 1: a cold bitch sometimes and in this situation with wrestling,
Speaker 1: like you gotta be like water sometimes, especially at that
Speaker 1: level of superstardom and then the position that he wants
Speaker 1: you shoot to be, and you need to be like
Speaker 1: water because if they come out there and they give
Speaker 1: you a great response and nothing has been cast in
Speaker 1: die yet for you, I mean, come on, I mean
Speaker 1: you have go with the crowd when they start turning
Speaker 1: on you, Okay, then you can change your your act.
Speaker 1: And somebody has got to get in her head, and
Speaker 1: I guess they won't to let her know this, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Shana, please Shana talked to Ronda and
Speaker 1: just tell her to go with these things because this
Speaker 1: it's not how w W E booked her. It's not
Speaker 1: like they may have given her some stuff to say,
Speaker 1: and that's a problem in of itself, you know, to
Speaker 1: give her too much verbiage like it is for a
Speaker 1: lot of people that's written out for She needs to
Speaker 1: do things more based off emotion. But like, you've got
Speaker 1: to be able to deal with the crowd, and you cannot.
Speaker 1: They're gonna eat her alive. People are gonna eat her
Speaker 1: alive if they see it's getting to her and this
Speaker 1: whole thing will not work out in the way they
Speaker 1: wanted to once again, because again she wants to fight
Speaker 1: the fans and that's gonna be part of her m
Speaker 1: O coming back. Here's that's not. Your job is to
Speaker 1: entertain the fans. Dude, however they take you, figure out
Speaker 1: a way to make it work. You're rustling. Now here's
Speaker 1: the problem, bro. This is like when people go Briant's
Speaker 1: part of the media, the media. Media, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: even talk to anybody like other media folks. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if Mike did a show last week. The
Speaker 1: point of this is there's no such thing as the media.
Speaker 1: And you know what else, there's no such thing as
Speaker 1: the fans. You go to a building and a bunch
Speaker 1: of fans turn on you. What you know, eight thousand
Speaker 1: people turned on you out of you know, three or
Speaker 1: thirty million in this country, all a sudden because those
Speaker 1: eight thousand people, which might have been eight thousand might
Speaker 1: have been like you know, two thousand angry people and
Speaker 1: everyone else. There's no such thing as the fans. Oh
Speaker 1: the fans hate me now. It's just like the fans
Speaker 1: in that building hated you. Maybe you should think about
Speaker 1: why they hated you, why they turn on you. Was
Speaker 1: it was it that you work for a company that
Speaker 1: doesn't know a book of baby Face. Maybe should be
Speaker 1: angry at them instead of the fans. Maybe should give
Speaker 1: it a shot before you just decided that you already
Speaker 1: hate the fans. I mean, bro, she came back and uh,
Speaker 1: some guy was like, ah, Brian doesn't know about cry Bro.
Speaker 1: This wasn't crowd sweeting, you idiot. She They hit her
Speaker 1: music at the Rumble and that place went nuts. She
Speaker 1: won that match and that place went nuts. They hit
Speaker 1: her music on on Monday though, and by the way,
Speaker 1: forget Monday. Forget Monday, because this interview happened after the Rumble.
Speaker 1: She didn't have one fan boo her at the Royal Rumble,
Speaker 1: and she had already decided I hate these people. I'm
Speaker 1: not falling forward again. So she can be picked into
Speaker 1: a heel versus heel match no matter how you cut it,
Speaker 1: whether it be Becky or whether it be Charlotte, I
Speaker 1: should should have made my prediction that she quits before
Speaker 1: the end of the year because she's getting off to
Speaker 1: a bad foot. Man, she's getting off on a foot.
Speaker 1: Is that right, getting off on the bad foot? What's
Speaker 1: the phrase, getting off on the bad foot? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: know what I can't just can't wait for, is he'll
Speaker 1: run a rousy against Hells Charlotte. I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: think of a more ticket one. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: for fan reaction to sit back and watch the comments online.
Speaker 1: If if you're into that sort of sociology and and
Speaker 1: playing around, I mean, it's gonna be people are gonna
Speaker 1: have a field day with that. And who whatever the
Speaker 1: other matches, whether it be Rhea and and you know,
Speaker 1: Bianca or whatever whatever combination you put together, you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna have people that will go nuts over the
Speaker 1: heat in Charlotte against Charlotte, and it won't matter because
Speaker 1: it's WrestleMania and the media and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: but it probably will not be the critical favorite. What
Speaker 1: else have we got here? Everybody fan favorite? I should say,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, let's see Brian. The promo of the
Speaker 1: Millennium from Rhonda was quote amazing into quote last night.
Speaker 1: I'm amazed. Yeah, he didn't like it. I think that's
Speaker 1: what he's saying. I couldn't understand that, Marcello, try again.
Speaker 1: You know who's more believable? And you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: make it to the level of m m A. But
Speaker 1: like you look at all these badass women on the
Speaker 1: indie scene who have some training, you know, or at
Speaker 1: least are badass pro wrestlers, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I Ronda really needs to take a tip from a
Speaker 1: lot of sources, and I don't know if she's going
Speaker 1: to do that. And I don't know, you know, Paul Hayman,
Speaker 1: I don't know who's involved in all of this sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. But I just kind of the more I
Speaker 1: think about it, and the more I think how valuable
Speaker 1: she could be down the line against Aria and against
Speaker 1: the Bianca and people like that, it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: it's tough to see it start like this, but hopefully,
Speaker 1: you know again, I'm looking for silver lining here, so
Speaker 1: hopefully Shana Baslor can be somehow jump started out of
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. You know who gets it a
Speaker 1: lot better is her former stablemate Marina Schaffer, who is
Speaker 1: just great on the indie scene. So let's Rhonda more
Speaker 1: of that? Okay, more of that? Please? Less angry Rhonda,
Speaker 1: just to be angry Rhonda, mean face with with too
Speaker 1: much I make up fans O bad? Come on man,
Speaker 1: stop running promo. Felt like our direction was to seem
Speaker 1: like she didn't care. It took that to mean she
Speaker 1: should look like she was barely awake. I think it's
Speaker 1: just rhondas true that at one point riddle was penciled
Speaker 1: exactly what this company needs to win the Royal Rumble
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Um. I don't know for sure, but I
Speaker 1: did hear that, and uh, I do know that they
Speaker 1: changed the plans for the Rumble multiple times, so it's possible.
Speaker 1: I can't say, let's see what else we've got here.
Speaker 1: I have three kids and a job until five. Is
Speaker 1: the Royal Rumble worth my time? I don't know if
Speaker 1: i'd no play with your kids? Yeah, the rains and Rollins.
Speaker 1: If you want to watch one thing off the Rumble,
Speaker 1: it's rains and Rollins. You the ending is what it is.
Speaker 1: You already know what it is, so you can watch that.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the other rumble matches. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna waste an hour watching, waste, But if you're
Speaker 1: gonna go back and spend an hour watching a row
Speaker 1: or Rumble, this is neither one of those were the
Speaker 1: ones to do it. Here's the thing, everybody, I apparently
Speaker 1: enjoyed the Royal Rumble pay per view more than most.
Speaker 1: I did not think it was great, but I was.
Speaker 1: I was entertained enough over over four hours. But if
Speaker 1: you have a if you have a limited amount of time,
Speaker 1: then if I had a limited amount of time and
Speaker 1: it was my job, I would choose to spend the
Speaker 1: time with my children as opposed to watch the Rumble.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I hate the Rumble or I hate w
Speaker 1: w E. But if those are my two options, this
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble or spent some quality time with your children,
Speaker 1: pick the kids. Now. How about the Rick Flair Royal Rumble?
Speaker 1: Was it two or whatever? One? Whatever? How about that
Speaker 1: roy I don't know if I watched the whole pay
Speaker 1: per view, but definitely watched that rumble. That was a
Speaker 1: great rumble. You know, this is a great rumble. Whatever
Speaker 1: talks about except me Royal rumble. Yeah, oh yeah, the
Speaker 1: one with Hogan and Warrior where they did the goofy thing.
Speaker 1: That was good. It was a good rumble. I went
Speaker 1: back and watched with Tom and it was good. Would
Speaker 1: you would you miss that on quality time with your
Speaker 1: kids for those bro? If I might, never mind, could
Speaker 1: have frozen Rhonda's contract and forced her to no run
Speaker 1: is not She's not doing this at gunpoint. And and
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong either, I'm not saying that they
Speaker 1: made the wrong decision here or anything like that. Ronda
Speaker 1: Rousey is a star and no matter who she faces,
Speaker 1: she should be in the main event at WrestleMania. It
Speaker 1: should be somebody that they're trying to do something with here.
Speaker 1: But again, there's there's gotta be a happy medium here
Speaker 1: on on how she comes across, because it's not very
Speaker 1: well right now, Back at the moment. Observer Live right
Speaker 1: the show. Brian Elbert is here Wrestling Observer Live Mix
Speaker 1: and for video also Wrestling Observer dot Com. Brandon Thurston
Speaker 1: as the quarters for Rampage here, and uh, like I said,
Speaker 1: let's look at the undefeated Jade Cargill eighteen to fourteen nine,
Speaker 1: the eighteen to forty nine demo Jade Cargills match with
Speaker 1: Julia Hart thousand viewers, the high point of the show
Speaker 1: between even John Moxley's match and Jungle Boy in Luca
Speaker 1: Source defending the tag team titles in the main event,
Speaker 1: undefeated Males eighteen forty nine high his Rats segment, Jade
Speaker 1: Cargills match in persons thirty five to forty nine high
Speaker 1: point Jade Cargills match. Let's see what we have here,
Speaker 1: Males thirty five to forty nine, Jade Cargills match. So
Speaker 1: it seems to me that, like, you know, pushing somebody
Speaker 1: as a star, portraying them as a star, never beating them.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like, oh, I don't know, Brian,
Speaker 1: if that works better than like, let's look at Austin
Speaker 1: Theory being and for in his last six and being
Speaker 1: told that if he doesn't win, Vince McMahon was going
Speaker 1: to do something to him, leave him in a ball
Speaker 1: of his own vomit and blood or something like that,
Speaker 1: and then call his mother. Yeah, No, Jade was not
Speaker 1: on first he was in the third quarter of the show.
Speaker 1: For those askings, we are out of time. I want
Speaker 1: to thank all of you for listening here today, Mike Simper,
Speaker 1: VV callers and listeners, and for the studio. We'll see
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