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Speaker 2: What's going on? Everybody, Emily a body Here. You are

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Speaker 2: listening to another installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle, a

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Speaker 2: to top experts and industry CEOs about their highest highs,

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Speaker 2: hurdles in life, and my goal through these discussions is

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Speaker 2: For today's episode, I am amped to bring you my

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Speaker 2: Luke is the co founder of a Motive, which is

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Speaker 2: including the mental benefits of having a coach in your corner,

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Speaker 2: what it means to have awareness in your body, and

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Speaker 2: you're following at Hurdle podcast. I'm over at Emily a

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Speaker 1: It's peculiar to me that so many people want to

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Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting way to get sure. Some

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Speaker 1: therapists might not be like giving you the advice you need,

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Speaker 1: but partially you need to be going into that encounter

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Speaker 1: with an idea of what you need to get out

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Speaker 1: of it. Right, So if you meet with a therapist.

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Speaker 1: They shouldn't just be touching your leg and giving you

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Speaker 1: stretches for your leg and then you leave.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: There should be a lot of discussion about how you

446
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Speaker 1: do things, what you do, why you do it, what

447
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Speaker 1: you're feeling when you do it, when you don't do it.

448
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Speaker 1: You know, like understanding, like in that mutual perception of

449
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Speaker 1: what's happening, right, And if you can do that early

450
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Speaker 1: in a training plan, then you have the power to

451
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Speaker 1: know what is likely to pop up and what is

452
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Speaker 1: not likely to pop up. So you know, in your case,

453
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Speaker 1: we had the plant our thing, and is that likely

454
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Speaker 1: to speak to you in the process of a volume

455
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Speaker 1: marathon training. Sure, But if we know that, we know

456
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Speaker 1: a rule set around how we manage it, then we

457
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Speaker 1: can say, oh, well, like, you know, this doesn't seem

458
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Speaker 1: too swollen. It's only a two out of a ten.

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Speaker 1: It only happened on mile twenty two days later it

460
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Speaker 1: was gone right, and that would be a circumstance. It's

461
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Speaker 1: pretty easy to say, all right, we're not too afraid

462
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Speaker 1: of this, right versus something out of leftfield. My neck

463
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Speaker 1: hurts six out of ten pain, it's sharp, it hurts

464
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Speaker 1: all day, right, That would be very different. Right, that's unfamiliar.

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Speaker 1: That's something that you should be really trying to reorient

466
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Speaker 1: around and not just assume that it's going away right

467
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Speaker 1: in that way so that I don't I know that

468
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Speaker 1: that's not a running specific example, but you know something

469
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Speaker 1: of that, of that nature that's like, oh, like I

470
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Speaker 1: had no idea that there would be anything going on

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Speaker 1: in this part of my body. That is more Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's place a limit on this, right, and hopefully that's

473
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Speaker 1: you know, I think when you say it out loud,

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Speaker 1: it sounds pretty obvious, but this isn't how people are

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Speaker 2: To go back to that question that someone had submitted

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Speaker 2: about I feel as though working with my PT isn't

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Speaker 2: helping me. There are also some things that are within

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Speaker 2: your control that you have to own up and take

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Speaker 2: control of, so if you are working with BT who's

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Speaker 2: giving you exercises, and you're not doing your exercises at

509
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Speaker 2: home to supplement the time that you're together, then that's

510
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Speaker 2: on you. Also if you aren't communicating in the way

511
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Speaker 2: that Luke just recommended, saying this is what I'm doing

512
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Speaker 2: with my day, this is what I am not doing

513
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Speaker 2: with my day. Maybe lately I am doing more of

514
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Speaker 2: X or why and I haven't mentioned that to you before. Like,

515
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Speaker 2: you have to be as upfront as possible with this

516
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Speaker 2: person so that they can help you alleviate, navigate whatever

517
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Speaker 2: it is that you're going through. And then the last

518
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Speaker 2: thing here really is at times working with a physical therapist,

519
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Speaker 2: think about how you feel when you work with a therapist.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I have in my

521
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Speaker 2: therapy journey navigated or worked with a few different professionals

522
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Speaker 2: and knew at one point or another that maybe that

523
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Speaker 2: relationship wasn't right for me. Same opportunity when you're working

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Speaker 2: with a physical therapist. So just because someone is qualified

525
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Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to be the right

526
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Speaker 2: professional for you. So be honest and upfront with what

527
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Speaker 2: it is that you need. If you feel like you guys,

528
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Speaker 2: click if you feel like you have a good working relationship,

529
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Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, not only is

530
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Speaker 2: this your body, but this is also your money, which

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Speaker 2: is something that will lead this conversation and do as

532
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Speaker 2: well because it is a big investment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, definitely go shopping. Like even I have

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Speaker 1: clients that I've worked with that I don't think that

535
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Speaker 1: had necessarily bad experiences with me, but then they've seen

536
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Speaker 1: someone else at motive like filling in for me or whatever,

537
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Speaker 1: and they just really jibe and it works and it's

538
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Speaker 1: great and they just maybe understand each other a little

539
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Speaker 1: bit better then I had, you know, a fit with

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Speaker 1: that person on that day or those sessions, And if

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Speaker 1: that helps that person navigate their experience better, that's a win, right,

542
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Speaker 1: And like not all not all people are suited to

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Speaker 1: all people, right, I think like astrological signs, right, aren't

544
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Speaker 1: there one that are really bad?

545
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Speaker 2: Something like that? I'm not good. I'm not good with

546
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Speaker 2: astrology myself, but I feel that So Yeah, shopping around

547
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: is important. But then again to that topic of money,

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Speaker 2: I mean, thinking about coming to PT every week for

549
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Speaker 2: three months, Like you said earlier, it is an intelligent

550
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Speaker 2: decision if you were going to go after a goal

551
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Speaker 2: to invest in coaching. And I got to the point

552
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Speaker 2: with my body where I knew what my goal was

553
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Speaker 2: and I knew that in order to get to my goal,

554
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Speaker 2: I needed to invest in physical therapy like hard stop.

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Speaker 2: That's it. If you're a person that maybe doesn't have

556
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Speaker 2: like the issues that I had, or hasn't been navigating

557
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Speaker 2: I would say persistent injury, then I don't think anyone's

558
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Speaker 2: going to tell you that you need to pay to

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Speaker 2: go to physical therapy every week. But for me, in

560
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Speaker 2: pursuit of my goals, I had to make that commitment.

561
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Speaker 2: So it stopped becoming about I don't know if I

562
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Speaker 2: really want to do this. I don't know if it's

563
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Speaker 2: worth it to me. To this is worth it to me,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to allocate my budget to make this work

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Speaker 2: for me. And then in that allocation of my budget,

566
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Speaker 2: I didn't have like kind of like the negative feelings

567
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Speaker 2: or like the buyer's remorse that you could get when

568
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Speaker 2: you like spending a lot of money dedicated towards something.

569
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Speaker 2: It was like, no, this is a decision I already

570
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Speaker 2: made and I'm going to go with it. And also

571
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Speaker 2: on that note. I mean a lot of people listening

572
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Speaker 2: to this probably have like certain health insurance plans that

573
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Speaker 2: would cover physical therapy. So depending on what your insurance

574
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Speaker 2: plan is, you can find a therapist that takes your insurance,

575
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Speaker 2: hopefully so that when you show up it's only some

576
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Speaker 2: sort of a copay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I motive.

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Speaker 1: We let people send their insurance ahead of time, and

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Speaker 1: we tell them up front, like exactly what it'll cost

580
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Speaker 1: if they worked with somebody at our practice. Yeah, pretend

581
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Speaker 1: I wasn't here and talk about why you decided it

582
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Speaker 1: was worth it to do physical therapy.

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Speaker 2: If you weren't here, and I would tell you this

584
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Speaker 2: even if you were here. I'm very lucky that you

585
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Speaker 2: and I have this great relationship. I decided to do

586
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Speaker 2: physical therapy because, like I just said, I did not

587
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Speaker 2: think that I could get to my goal on my own.

588
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Speaker 2: I truly, truly believe that not only do coaches need coaches,

589
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Speaker 2: but also there were things that I just didn't have

590
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Speaker 2: the know how to do, and I needed to reach

591
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Speaker 2: out to someone who could educate me and help me.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that's

593
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Speaker 1: part of it. What the other part I was wondering

594
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Speaker 1: if there was something like just more in your life

595
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Speaker 1: experience that that, you know, rather than so functional. You know,

596
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Speaker 1: like if you you decided you needed a physical therapy,

597
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Speaker 1: I'm saying this on your behalf.

598
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here.

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Speaker 1: You decided you needed physical therapy because the newness of

600
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Speaker 1: certain things would make you anxious and you needed help

601
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Speaker 1: navigating that maybe, yeah, or you were frustrated that you

602
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: keep trying to have a certain goal and you're not

603
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Speaker 1: getting to it on your own, and you were angry

604
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Speaker 1: about it, and maybe I don't know, Like I guess

605
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Speaker 1: to me, like sometimes you know, reading your own emotions

606
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Speaker 1: is a good way to figure out like why you

607
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Speaker 1: want to invest in something or not.

608
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Speaker 3: You know.

609
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you if you bunked out of something

610
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Speaker 1: and you like really didn't care that much or like

611
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Speaker 1: didn't want to change your behavior because of how that happened,

612
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Speaker 1: and then like I would really question your own motivations

613
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Speaker 1: to be involved in that thing, you know, Like I think,

614
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Speaker 1: like if you failed at something and it really didn't

615
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: bother you in a way that you want to take action,

616
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Speaker 1: you think about that, right, And I think that this

617
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Speaker 1: time that seemed evident to me that It was not

618
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Speaker 1: a personality shift, but like it was like consciously like, oh,

619
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Speaker 1: like I'm not going that way that I went before.

620
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it that way.

621
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And last year I didn't work with a coach.

622
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Speaker 2: I came to you like when really I was down

623
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Speaker 2: and out already and I just decided that, like I

624
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: did not want to repeat I wouldn't even call it

625
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 2: a mistake, but I didn't want to repeat that again.

626
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: I am, you know, a certified run coach, but that

627
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: doesn't mean and I don't need help. Everyone needs help,

628
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Speaker 2: I believe firmly. And I had my run coach on

629
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Speaker 2: the show not all that long ago, Rebecca Stow, and

630
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Speaker 2: I decided that I was this time around a gonna

631
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Speaker 2: work with a run coach and be gonna work diligently

632
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Speaker 2: with a physical therapist, and like that was it. That

633
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Speaker 2: was the decision. And again I didn't question that decision,

634
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Speaker 2: and it empowered me and made me feel like to

635
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Speaker 2: your point that I could kind of like stop overthinking

636
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Speaker 2: and just like ask the questions that I needed to

637
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Speaker 2: ask sometimes without I'm already prone to being an anxious human,

638
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: so like to be able to like ask the question

639
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Speaker 2: and get an answer, and then like I put my

640
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: trust in you. Right. So this is probably the biggest,

641
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Speaker 2: the last big learning really, I mean, and there is

642
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: so much, but another big learning from our time together

643
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Speaker 2: is like I trust in you. Right. So if I

644
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Speaker 2: show up and I'm like the top middle part of

645
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: my foot is hurting, and you are like, I'm not

646
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Speaker 2: really concerned, and I in my gut, in my soul,

647
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: in the center of my chest, like I'm concerned. Well,

648
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: if you're not really concerned and you're the one that's

649
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: like touching the foot and feeling the foot and asking

650
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Speaker 2: me all the questions that you need to ask, and

651
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: you have all this education, then like, yes, I can

652
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: trust my gut, but really, like I trust in you

653
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 2: because you're the one who probably knows I can articulate

654
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Speaker 2: like what's going on, but you're the one who has

655
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: seen this before, You've worked with people before, and like

656
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 2: that is your role for me, someone who has been

657
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: traveling a lot, doing the best you can with all

658
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: this training. Like I needed people to like be in

659
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 2: my corner so that I could navigate the right way

660
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: to move forward when I knew that I wouldn't have

661
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: all the answers.

662
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I try to in those situations

663
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: not just be the guy that knows the stuff, because I.

664
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 3: Think that that.

665
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: A can be very annoying, but b doesn't help the

666
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: person sort of be like comforted or self soothe, if

667
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: you will, yeah, wrapping their head around what's going on,

668
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: because if you talk to them instead about you know,

669
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: what you are not seeing, that would be concerning. Okay,

670
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: here are the reasons right here. If this was really

671
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: a problem, I would be expecting more of these type

672
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: of things, and talk to me about how you feel

673
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: about that, Are you noticing any of those things, and

674
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: really again, like conversational about it rather than just oh,

675
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: this bone seems fine, this muscle is tight, stretch it dumb, dumb,

676
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, like, which I think is actually how some

677
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: encounters go down, right, and then God forbid that something

678
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: goes wrong. From that point, that person is now like

679
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: double damaged off of the experience, right, yeah, which I

680
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: think can be a bummer. So I think like, if

681
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: you're going to work with somebody, not just a physical therapist,

682
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: but a coach, should hopefully be somebody that's going to

683
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: be willing to communicate with you in a normal human way.

684
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 3: Regardless of the fact that.

685
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: They know more about a certain thing and you know

686
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: more about a certain something else, right. And I feel

687
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: like that's something that definitely took time for me to

688
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: figure out in my career because I think early in

689
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: my career I would just be like, don't this is obvious,

690
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: Just do these five exercises. It would be totally fine, right, like,

691
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: and you know, even though that theoretically would be true,

692
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: the outcome would never happen, you know. And it's like

693
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: sort of how you encounter and how you talk to people,

694
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: it makes a huge difference, especially depending on how they are,

695
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: so you know that person may not be a fit

696
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: to a certain communication. I have other clients that I

697
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: have to say, like, come on, man, you're being such

698
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: a baby about this, Like come on, like, don't just

699
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: damn do it, you know, And that's like the coaching

700
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: that they need.

701
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's you, hopefully not hopefully not.

702
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned or equipped about going home and

703
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: like doing those five exercises. As a PT. I'm curious, like,

704
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: how often would you say that someone comes in for

705
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: PT and you give them homework and they don't do it.

706
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: I think that a motive.

707
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: We probably have a higher success rate of people doing

708
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: this stuff than a lot of places, but even at that,

709
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: it's probably fifty to fifty. Yeah, best, How can you

710
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: tell nothing changes? And there are physical cues to that

711
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: and psychological cues to that, and behavioral cues to that.

712
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: You know they keep making the same mistakes in their

713
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: training plan, then they're clearly not listening. They're not willing

714
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: to have a conversation in which the rules might need

715
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: to change. And if that's the case, it's unlikely that

716
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: things get better.

717
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: Right.

718
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: So I always tell people that as a physical therapist,

719
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: it's got physical in the name, but my goal is

720
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: to change the way you think. And I actually really

721
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: approach it that way because if you had a physical

722
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: problem and you didn't need help or to change the

723
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: way you think about it, you wouldn't be at physical therapy.

724
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: You would be on your own with it going away

725
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: because it was just a physical thing. But now you

726
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: need to You've come to an m pass right where

727
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: something needs to change, and I think actually often the

728
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: rules need to change and how you think needs to change.

729
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: I'll use exercises to get out a specific thing, because

730
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: technical things are real, but really the goal is for

731
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: you to understand, Oh, you know, you did that plio

732
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: exercise on your left foot and it felt like breezy

733
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: and simple, right, and you did on your right foot

734
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, what the hell, Like where's my leg?

735
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: You know, like what's going on with that? So it

736
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: didn't really matter what exercise per se if the you know,

737
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: the end goal was you realize that that's limitation and

738
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: understand how to change it.

739
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you're making me sit here thinking about the

740
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: difference between my left and my right head. But that's sorry.

741
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: It's a conversation for another day. I before we jump

742
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: into a few listener questions, I have a question for you.

743
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: What would you say that you've learned working with me what.

744
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: I've learned working with you.

745
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: I think that it's been a good blend of working

746
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: with somebody that hasn't done coaching that much before and

747
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: now is fully engaging with it and not overdoing that

748
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: aspect of it. I think because you've got you picked

749
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: up a run coach, you picked up a physical therapist,

750
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: you picked up some recovery services that you've been like

751
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: pretty regularly making use of right And I think that

752
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: what I've learned.

753
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: To do better.

754
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: Maybe is make sure that she's like tempering the usage

755
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: of all these things. They were like applying appropriate importance

756
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: to those things, right, because sometimes I think in New

757
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: York we get really like I guess Type A is

758
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: like an easy way to describe that, like go get

759
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: her like do.

760
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: More, do more? Do more?

761
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: And is it easy to just suggest another thing to

762
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: go do and another thing to spend money on? Sure,

763
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: but that may not be like really the best solution.

764
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: And the way that you've been kind of actively engaging

765
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: with all these things kind of keeps me in check

766
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: with my thinking about like oh, like yeah, interesting suggestion,

767
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: Like what do I think about that? You know? So

768
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: I think that that sort of like active assessment of

769
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: that has been good.

770
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm glad to help you with my type aness. Okay,

771
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: we're going to break into a few hurdler questions here

772
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: because I would be remiss if I didn't take this

773
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: chance on their behalf with you in the hot seat. Here,

774
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: does Luke recommend foam rolling or massage guns to his clients?

775
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: So I will preface this is not a never do

776
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: this thing, but generally no. And the reason that I

777
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: say generally know is because I think a lot of

778
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: the time that time people are spending with that if

779
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: they were to do something specific to their own needs,

780
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: would be time better spent on that instead of the

781
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: foam rolling or the massage gun, which is really not

782
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: changing anything. It's kind of like a passive engagement, right,

783
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: and I like I just gravitate towards to things that

784
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: are more mentally engaging while physically engaging.

785
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: What I've learned from working with Luke is really like

786
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: everything comes back to foundational movement, right, So if you

787
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: can determine and examine perhaps the discrepancies between your side,

788
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 2: it's if you're having a certain issue or really home

789
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 2: in on a specific area that needs a little extra love,

790
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: then spending the time doing exercises to fix an issue

791
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 2: rather than band aid it via the use of whether

792
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: it be certain tools or creams or sprays, whatever it

793
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: might be, Like that will always be the goal from

794
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: most ptspov.

795
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's always what's the context as well, because

796
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: I think we like to train and work on increasing capacities,

797
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: not just like changing and stretching and exercising just because, right, So,

798
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 1: if you needed to have a certain amount of power

799
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: to run seven forty miles to get the marathon goal

800
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: you want. Okay, do we have the core competency to

801
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: actually do that? And where would the breakdown be likely

802
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: to occur if it were to break down? Right? That

803
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: I think is the way to be more reliably successful,

804
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: then to like just neurologically mash something with a massage

805
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: gun and then hope.

806
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: For the best.

807
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're you're reminding me of an important question

808
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: that comes in and it's related to perhaps the anxiety

809
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: that comes up with changing the plan that's already written

810
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: in pencil. And over the last few weeks, as I've

811
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: been navigating a little bit of new tendonitis in the

812
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: left knee leading up to the race on Sunday, we

813
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: pivoted and I started doing more cycling rather than running

814
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: to give this particular wonkiness like a little bit of

815
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: breathing room and perhaps time to heal a little bit better.

816
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: And as I did that, I got a lot of

817
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: questions that came in surrounding the idea of well, what's

818
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: going to happen to all my training? What's going to happen?

819
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: And you just said right now, you said, do you

820
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 2: have the capacity like there is a mutual understanding between

821
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: you and I that I have the capacity to run

822
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: a certain speed do a certain thing. I wouldn't have

823
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 2: that capacity if I drove my injury into a greater

824
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: place of discomfort and really angered it. Right, So let's

825
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: why can't you? Can you come on that for me?

826
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: Can you comment on the idea of like understanding that

827
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: a week off isn't going to negate what's going on

828
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: with your training?

829
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: Yeah?

830
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think understanding who you are as

831
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: an athlete is relevant as well. And I think that

832
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm staring at the poster that says three twenty eight

833
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: oh eight, so we know that you have that capability

834
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: in you and you know, rate your training for that marathon.

835
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 2: Out of ten hard eight nine like really solid.

836
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: So that was like a really good effort for you, right,

837
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: And so we know that that capacity is there. So

838
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: if I put you in a box for two weeks,

839
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: you know, the day after that, and you hadn't run

840
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: another marathon, how far off of three twenty eight eight

841
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: do you think you would get.

842
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: If we had to pretend that I hadn't run the

843
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: first one and mix my legs, and I think I'd

844
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 2: still probably be pretty close to pretty close.

845
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: Right. So it's like if you have a certain capacity

846
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: and you know, understand yourself as an athlete, which is

847
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: easier when you're experience. It's harder when you're inexperience. Then

848
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: you kind of know, you know, if you're a pitcher,

849
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: you know you throw ninety seven miles an hour. You know,

850
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: on a bad day you throw ninety five miles an hour,

851
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: and like you kind of calibrate yourself to expectations that way.

852
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: And I think that in your case, as long as

853
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: we maintain some physical capacity and cardiovascular engagement, we can

854
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: be pretty confident that you're getting a good result if

855
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: you don't injure yourself before you get to the race, right.

856
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

857
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's like I said, harder for a new person.

858
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 1: So that's where I think coaching again and even more

859
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: of an.

860
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 2: Asset, Yeah, for sure. Another question that came in from

861
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: Chelsea I believe her name, is how to know when

862
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: you're ready to return for a run if you feel

863
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: as though, feel as though, I'll use those that in

864
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: air quotes here, you've healed.

865
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: The vagueness of what you're healing from is obviously conspicuous. Here,

866
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: I would say that you shouldn't be afraid to reintroduce

867
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: some amount of the activity that you're working with throughout

868
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: the healing process. So if you've expected to wait, be

869
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: healed and then do what you were doing before, bad policy.

870
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: Right in the process of healing, you should have been

871
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: able to involve some amount of the activity or training

872
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: related activities for the thing that you want to do.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like if I had to guess, the

874
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Speaker 1: headspace of that person is coming from where they're not

875
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Speaker 1: quite that place. They've been in the waiting and hoping place,

876
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Speaker 1: And I think that's a good opportunity for coaching.

877
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Speaker 2: And I also think here is a really good time

878
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: if this is a question that's relevant to running, to

879
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: reiterate the value and benefit to run walking. I over

880
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Speaker 2: the last two three years navigating different moments of injury,

881
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: all like I would say, three decently sized injuries that

882
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Speaker 2: I've come back from involved weeks of run walking. And

883
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Speaker 2: it was something that Emily, before working with coaches, may

884
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Speaker 2: have been resistant to and adopted that first mindset. It's like, oh,

885
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: it still hurts, not ready to run. Oh it's still hurts,

886
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: not ready to run, but now being able to build

887
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Speaker 2: up that resilience and build back to the capacity that

888
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Speaker 2: I knew that I had been previously capable of. That

889
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: reminded me and instilled in me the value of sacrificing

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Speaker 2: a little bit of what feels quote unquote normal to

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Speaker 2: get to where you want to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what every person says that we look

893
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Speaker 1: at and then try to alter mechanics.

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Speaker 2: What do they say?

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Speaker 1: This is exhausting, right, They're like, they're like, you want

896
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Speaker 1: my niece to go?

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Speaker 3: How high?

898
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: You want my button? You want my heel to kick?

899
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: How far you want my arms to move? Like?

900
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: What you want me to do this? Cadence? You want

901
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: me to do this? You want my foot underneath me?

902
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: You want this? You want that?

903
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: And they're like it's exhausting, right, So why wouldn't you

904
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Speaker 1: give yourself the opportunity to be successful in a run

905
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Speaker 1: walk where you you know, say you start by running

906
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: for two minutes, walking for two minutes because you were

907
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: already exhausted doing it for forty seconds on the treadmill,

908
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Speaker 1: like you think you're gonna go out for ten miles

909
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: and sustain that, you know, like it's actually just it's

910
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: just good training, you know, give yourself the opportunity to

911
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: actually do the thing that you're trying to do.

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00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: Do the thing that you're trying to do. I feel

913
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Speaker 2: like a lot of the other questions that came through

914
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Speaker 2: are like specific. It would be like how to deal

915
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: with post your typical tibial foot pain, or how to

916
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 2: navigate tight quads. I will give one area specific question

917
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Speaker 2: to you because I know that this is a commonality

918
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Speaker 2: between amongst runners, is navigating tight hips? Is there anything

919
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: you would say to the general running population about navigating

920
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: tight hips?

921
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: Running, especially for endurance, long distances, long amounts of time,

922
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Speaker 1: or at very high speeds, is tiring for the hips,

923
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: and it will create neurological tension at a minimum and

924
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: then likely over time connective tissue and muscle tissue tension

925
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: over time. And if you're not addressing that in proportion

926
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: to the amount that you are engaging with activity, you

927
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: should expect those things to continue to increase. Right.

928
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 3: So, I think of a lot of things as like

929
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: a bank.

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00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: Right, if you put two hundred dollars in the bank

931
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Speaker 1: and your runt as one hundred dollar, like it was

932
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one, and you take out one hundred dollars.

933
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Speaker 1: You have one hundred dollars in the bank, right, and

934
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: you know one hundred dollars is coming out of your

935
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: bank every month, right, So your bank is replenishing at

936
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Speaker 1: a certain rate, and it's you know, being emptied at

937
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: a certain rate. And if the rates don't match, you're

938
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: going to have a problem. Right. So if you run

939
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: and you do one percent of the recovery that you

940
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: should do or one percent of the movement diversity, let's

941
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: say that you should so ninety nine percent of the

942
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: stress one percent of the recovery. How do we expect

943
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: that to accumulate over time? I think that's probably the

944
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: biggest thing is runners.

945
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 3: Like to run. They don't like to do the other stuff.

946
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Speaker 1: And if you think about the future and how much

947
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: you might want to run when you're fifty, when you're sixty,

948
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: if you still want to run, I think you should

949
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: probably put a lot more proportion into thinking about maintaining

950
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: your capacities and maintaining your normal which is like how

951
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: you can move, what range of motion you have, things

952
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: like that, things like that.

953
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: You know, the reason whyfer pfessional runners are professional runners

954
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: is not only because they run well, but because they

955
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: have now found more often than not, some sort of

956
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: sponsorship that enables them to put in the time to

957
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: do all the other things that they need to do

958
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: that they need to do to run well, whether that

959
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: be prioritize their nutrition, make time for all of this recovery,

960
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: like actively go and lift weights, Like there's so many

961
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: things that we don't see when we go and turn

962
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: on the TV and watch Kire Tomato or Kipchoge, like

963
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: crush at Berlin, and they crush because they put emphasis

964
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: on so many of the things that slowly recreational runners

965
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Speaker 2: often overlook. And again there's a reason why they're the

966
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Speaker 2: best in the world. It's because they focus on that.

967
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: And I think, think about what stress you have in

968
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: your life that's contributory to how you feel every day, right,

969
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: Like those people don't have, you know, sixty hour a week,

970
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: seventy hour week Goldman Sachs desk work to do. They're

971
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Speaker 1: not going to have a certain type of stress in

972
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Speaker 1: their body. Pretty much stand up all day for work.

973
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to have certain type of stress in

974
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Speaker 1: my body. You know someone else sits down all the time,

975
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Speaker 1: they will, you know, So don't expect to act like

976
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: a professional if most of your life is taken up

977
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Speaker 1: with being a professional of something else, right of.

978
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Speaker 2: Something else, of something else. I'm so excited that we

979
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Speaker 2: finally sat down and did this. Is there any other knowledge,

980
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: wisdom leucisms that you want to just spell on the

981
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Speaker 2: hurdlers before I let you go?

982
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: Knowledge and wisdom? I don't know, but I think move

983
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Speaker 1: more of your body more of the time. You know,

984
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Speaker 1: if you're interested in an activity, regardless of what it is,

985
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: chances are that it doesn't use a lot of your

986
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: body to do that. So if you think about running,

987
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: since we've been talking a lot about that today, this

988
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: very like forward motion sagital plane needs in arms forward

989
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: kind of motion. Right, A lot of us end up

990
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: lacking rotation, We lack movement side to side, we lack

991
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Speaker 1: core activity, we lack you know, diverse breathing. You know,

992
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: we only get engaged with moving that way, and that,

993
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 1: over time, is not what the human body really likes. So,

994
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: you know, whatever the activity is, do more with more

995
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: of your body, more of the time. And that doesn't

996
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: mean like bash your head into wall weightlifting. It doesn't

997
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: mean go to yoga nineteen times a week. It means

998
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: diversity right, and I think that that would help probably.

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Speaker 2: Everybody movement diversity for the When Luke so Happy you

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Speaker 2: came in? How did the hurdlers follow along with you?

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Speaker 2: What do they need to know about Motive? Give me

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Speaker 2: the details.

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Speaker 1: photos of my son, who is a side of like

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Speaker 1: exercise and physical therapy stuff.

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