1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody through Wednesday edition of Texas All Access 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: from the Hounday Texans Radio studio. It's John Harris alongside 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Mark VanderMeer. We're gonna have Drew Doherty come along a 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: little bit later talking about in the Lab and what 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: did the Texans do at two and twelve? Drew gave 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: me four different options, and I actually took one of 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: the options to two of the options and tweaked it 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. What do they do at two and twelve? 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: And a draft well out that for you. In the Lab. 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: We've also learned a little bit about Brian Brazie from 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: clamps in six five two hundred ninety eight pounds, whale 12 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: of an athlete, tough last couple of years towards ACL 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, lost his sister to cancer in 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, so he's had some things go against him. 15 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you twenty twenty I don't know if 16 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: there's a better interior defensive linement than Brian Brazie. So 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: we'll learn a little bit more about the clumps and 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: product a little later in the show. But joining me 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: right the bat is the man the myth the voice 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: did Texans Mark Vandermere, who was at a prayer breakfast 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: this morning and a special guest was there. How was that, Johnny. 22 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: It's the forty eighth annual Greater Houston Prayer Breakfast. I 23 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: didn't even know this existing, full disclosure, and I got 24 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: invited to a table by my friend Jeff Tebow, no 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: relation to Tim Tebow spells it differently, but it was funny. Anyway, 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: we gave we rased him. I told him, I said, 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna be sitting with Tebow. This 28 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: is baton switch anyway he spells at thh etc. But 29 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: Tim Tebow was fantastic. Now Mayor Sylvester Turner was there, 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: all the politicians were there, tons of law enforcement officials. 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: It was packed. Spencer Tillman, James ahead of Bow all 32 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: at the head table, and Tebow was amazing, terrific speaker. 33 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: There must have been close to two thousand people there 34 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: at the Hilton Americas. I didn't even know this thing existed, 35 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: like I said, So it was fun to be a 36 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: part of it. A great event. I really want to 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: go again every year now because all of Houston and 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: a lot of Texas was in the room and it 39 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: was fun and Tebow obviously a great public speaker, Johnny, 40 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: you know what he does so well. He's self deprecating, 41 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: and he played in the NFL just enough to have 42 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: not multiple pelts, but he's got a pelt. You know. 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: He won a playoff game with the Denver Broncos, and 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: he had all those close wins that year that was 45 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: kind of a magical year for them in twenty eleven. 46 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: And he's got stories from it that he relays to 47 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: his talking about God and religion and everything else, and 48 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: he really works it in very well. And even if 49 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: you're not into the prayer breakfast, you would have had 50 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: a terrific time. But if you are, you're having having 51 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: an even better time. I thought he did an amazing job. 52 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: So this just and Tebo's got a future in public speaking. Well, 53 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: if I've done my math correct, Tim Tebow has the 54 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: same number of playoff wins as a starting quarterback as 55 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and to Shaun Watson, so there's that. It's incredible. 56 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: And he won one in overtime with that Adyard touchdown 57 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: pass to the various Thomas, which Thomas did most of 58 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: the work, but it was a good throw. You gotta 59 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: give Hi credit. It was a good throw. So I 60 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: was I was driving along either last night or this morning, 61 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: I can't remember when it was, but all of a sudden, 62 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: they start thinking about I start thinking about quarterbacks, which 63 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: is not too unsurprising, I guess, And I was thinking 64 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: about I was thinking about Carolina having the first pick 65 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: versus the Texans having the first pick, and it really 66 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't really anything like, oh the Texans, you know, 67 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: the game that gets Colts all that kind of nonsense. 68 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: But I was thinking about our buddy Lance airlines mock 69 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: about the Texans, you know, not drafting a quarterback at two, 70 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: and we talked through that. I think the philosophy is 71 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: not not terrible at all, and I could absolutely see it, 72 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: and I could see even Tyree Wilson being that pick. 73 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: There's no there's no doubt. But I started thinking about 74 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: this I and I don't think Carolina made all that 75 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: move up to not take a quarterback. So they're gonna 76 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: take a quarterback. But if the situation were reversed, I 77 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: could see Carolina not taking a quarterback because I think 78 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: you can't survive over in NFC without a quarterback. But 79 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: I think in the AFC. If you don't have a quarterback, 80 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: you're in a lot of trouble. And it got me 81 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: thinking about getting through the gauntlet of what's over in 82 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: the NFC versus what's over in the AFC, especially if 83 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers gets dealt to the New York Jets, has 84 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: been rumored. I saw this and this popped up at 85 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: some point on Thursday afternoon. The thirty third Team, which 86 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: is kind of a scouting analysis website, Clay Harbor, who's 87 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: probably better known for being on the Bachelorette then he 88 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,119 Speaker 1: was as a player. I guess he's doing some writing 89 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: for them, and he dropped his top five NFC quarterbacks 90 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: entering twenty twenty three. So I'm gonna give you. I'm 91 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: gonna give you an opportunity. I know you haven't seen this, 92 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: and I know you have to rifle through the NFC. 93 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: Quick clean your head. M I want to see if 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: you gave me five names, if you could name the 95 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: top five NFC quarterbacks as he has ranked, not in 96 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: the partition, Give me the five names you think would 97 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: be in the top five, in no particular order, no 98 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: particular or just give him to me. I'll give me order. 99 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: If you get it right. Jalen Hurts, Okay, he's number one, 100 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: very good. Matthew Stafford very good, he's number five. Let's 101 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: see NFC West. No other than that. Let's go Kirk Cousins. 102 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: He's a top five of the NFC. No what, No 103 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: honorable men? What honorable mention? Yes, wait a minute, I 104 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't Rogers off this list. Rogers 105 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: is not on this list. The assumption is that he's 106 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: with the Jets. I'm assuming, oh my gosh, so and 107 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: and kirk Cousins does not make the list. Here's who's 108 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: an honorable mention? Okay, Gino Smith, Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff. 109 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: I was gonna say Goff, Dak Prescott, I was gonna 110 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: say that, all right, So he has. Daniel Jones is 111 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: a top five quarterback in the end of very good. 112 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones number three. You will not get Jam four, 113 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: No Dak, all right, So he is going to go 114 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: with mister irrelevant in the top five of benefit very good. 115 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: Brock Purty is number four, and you don't even know 116 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: whether he's going to be healthy or not. Now if 117 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: you get number two, now, number two, you need a 118 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: little bit of background. Clay Harbor is from the Midwest, 119 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: specifically the city of Chicago. Fields, yes, Hurts, Hurts, Wan 120 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: Fields two, Jones three, Purty four, Stafford five, and his 121 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: honorable mentions are Gino, Kirk, Cousins, Jared Goff, Dak and 122 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: all Right. I saw this and it just got me 123 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: thinking that if you were if the Texas were over 124 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: to NFC, I could absolutely if they weren't totally sold 125 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: on a quarterback at number two, I could totally see 126 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: them going. You know what, we could survive over in 127 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: the NFC without having a top notch quarterback. On the 128 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: flip side of that would be whole. If we can 129 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: get a top notch quarterback, we might move to the 130 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: top of the NFC very quickly. But if we did 131 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: this exercise for the AFC and when I don't know, 132 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: Mahomes won, Joe Burrow two, Josh Allen three. Let's say 133 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: Rogers is now a Jet, so let's put Rogers at four. 134 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: Let's say Lamar stays with Baltimore, or if he even 135 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: goes to Indianapolis, Lamar's five. You could get watching the 136 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: benefit of a doubt and throw him in there somewhere 137 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: or or he's maybe even honorable mentioned Deshaun Watson. I 138 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: mean they didn't. He didn't put Derek Carr in there, 139 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: So you know there's that in the NFC. Now, where 140 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: would Derek have been? I mean, we did this last year. 141 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: Who the Texas? We did the top five, Who the 142 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: Texas we're gonna face, and Derek Carr was in that. 143 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: That was just who they were gonna face last year. 144 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: But the point being, the NFC versus the AFC quarterback 145 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: chasm is bigger marked and I think I've ever ever 146 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: can remember it either way, whether it's the NFC with 147 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks the NFC with none, or THEFC all 148 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks the NFCO none. I don't think I've ever 149 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: seen this big of a talent discrepancy between the two leagues. 150 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: But if you're in the NFC, Johnny, based on what 151 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: you just said, you can also make the argument, well, 152 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: if we get a quarterback, look at the leak we 153 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: can take and improvement and everything else. I understand what 154 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: you're saying about the AFC. It's so loaded. You have 155 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: to get one that could possibly turn into a franchise superstar, 156 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: and that's going to help you compete you know, it's 157 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: funny where the Texans are two and there's all this 158 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: talk about should you move up to one if you 159 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: really love CJ. Strout or Bryce Young or whoever it is. 160 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: But it's not like it's an automatic press the button 161 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: and then you move up to one and all you 162 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: have to do is pay the price. They have to 163 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: be a willing dance partner. And if Carolina, if Carolina 164 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: is willing to bump itself from that top spot. Now 165 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm suspicious. Wait a minute, what do they not like 166 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: about one of these guys, Because, like I always say, 167 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: there's no way they're jumping up from nine to one 168 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: unless they have a guy that they're in love with. 169 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: There's no way, no way they're going to do it. Now. 170 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: Maybe they felt like, either guys, fine, so we'll just 171 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: jump up right now. But I don't really buy that. 172 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking there's no way they're going to trade 173 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: it anyway. And if they do, you have to really 174 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: question what do they know that I don't know about 175 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: one of these players that I want to go pick. 176 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: So it's a really fascinating dynamic here having the number 177 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: two pick. Now I know it could have been avoided Oh, 178 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: by the way, the articles and I was pulling from 179 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: Peter King's stories and Jeremiah stories, and one of them 180 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: yesterday it wasn't from either of those actually mentioned. The 181 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Texans tried very hard to win in the regular season 182 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: finale and it cost them. And I'm thinking, what do 183 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: you want them to do? Stop it already with this? 184 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: The players play hard? Sorry, what did you want them 185 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: to do? You want to love it to get up 186 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: there and say, listen, everybody, lay down, just lay down, right, Okay? 187 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean Davis basically threw a pick on the last 188 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: play of the game, but it turned out to be 189 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: a touchdown pass and two fourth and long conversions. I'm 190 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: so tired of it, like you should have tried to 191 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: lose stop it. Yeah, I'm so tired of hearing about 192 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: that particular game, because you're right, when is when is 193 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: an NFL team ever been asked, Okay, you're gonna lose this. 194 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: It's just, you know, I don't even know how you 195 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: go about tanking, because if you were to set out 196 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: tanking from the beginning, I mean, look at the Bears. 197 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: The Bears got the number one pick and the Bears 198 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: are two and one to start the year. In fact, 199 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: I think there were three and two maybe to start 200 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: the year, and then yeah, we're talking about oh man, 201 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: the Bears aren't gonna tank for the overall or aren't 202 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: gonna get the number one overall pick, or no, not 203 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: gonna be a top five picking team. They're three and two. 204 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: They can make the playoffs in the NFC, which is true. 205 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: They could have made the playoffs over in the NFC. 206 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, heckor Jacksonville Jaguars were what were they two 207 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: and seven and they made the playoffs are an AFC, 208 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: so they could have made the playoffs. But then, of 209 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: course things went sideways. Then Ryan Poles trade for trade 210 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: Roquan Smith. He then traded Robert Quinn and then he 211 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: traded four Chase Claypool, which is costing him a top 212 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: of the second round pick because they went out and 213 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: they got Chase Claypool. And then they had to trade 214 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: for DJ Moore. So now they've got weapons. But is 215 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: it really worth it? We'll find out what the Chicago Bears, 216 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: but is there any way The other thing about them, 217 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: Johnny is all right, they lost all those games and 218 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: Fields becomes the seventh leading rusher in the league at 219 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: the end of the day. Right now, obviously he needs 220 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: to become a better passer and all that, but the 221 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: fact that he ran the ball so well and they 222 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: were kind of fun to watch because of him. But 223 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: they lost all those games. I mean that is is 224 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: that purposely tanking? No, they were that bad. I think 225 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: that they need all that help. Now. The only tankathon 226 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: that they did was the trading of good players, right, 227 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: so the only thing that Texans could have done maybe 228 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: that final day of the regular season. You sit Laramie, 229 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: you sit Cooks, you sit a few good players, but 230 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: you're still gonna play Davis Mills. You're still gonna play 231 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: and not that Davis Mills is a Hall of Famer, 232 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: but you're still gonna play your starting quarterback. Right. They 233 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: weren't gonna go with Jeff Driscoll starting that game or something. 234 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't do that in an 235 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: NFL game, Sorry Jeff, but they couldn't do that unless 236 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: everybody else was hurt, or maybe you'd started above Kyle 237 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: Allen if Mills was hurt. But you get drift, Yeah, 238 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: no doubt. Now I've been trying to think of a 239 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: pluzzile scenario. Why the Texans would not take a quarterback 240 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: at two, and I'm sure there are one. I mean, 241 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: we talked about them last night. So let's say that 242 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: Texans do end up taking a quarterback at two, and 243 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: it's c. J. Jar ODIs Brice Young. It's one of 244 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: those two guys. We talked about that a lot. Who 245 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: do you think of the starting quarterbacks? The Titans and 246 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: the Colts? Because we dabbled in this one last night. 247 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah said a team to watch out for moving 248 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: up to number three trading with Dan Atlanta or the 249 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Oh boy, there's some news there is the 250 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. And so if that were the case, you 251 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: would have Colts. I'm sorry, you would have Texans two, 252 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: Titans three, and Colts four. If the Titans go up 253 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: to three, who do they select? And if the Titans 254 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: go up to three, the Colts settle for the fourth 255 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: best quarterback? Or knew that at that point the Colts 256 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: make the move for Lamar Jackson. We kind of dabbled 257 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: in all that last night, but I don't know we 258 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: ever came to a conclusion on anything. What happens if 259 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: Tennessee goes to three all right, let me throw this 260 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: one at you. Tell me how many sizzled fires you're 261 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: giving me for this hot take. If the Titans move 262 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: up and take a quarterback and that quarterback starts, I 263 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: shouldn't even throw that part in. If they move up 264 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: and take a quarterback, Mike Vrabel has truly lost major 265 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: battles in that building. And it's Rant Carthon an ownership 266 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: driving this thing to get a rookie quarterback, and they 267 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: want to get them to the starting line as the 268 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: starter for twenty twenty three because you know Mike Vrabel 269 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: and Tim Kelly for that matter, and there's no way 270 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: they want to start a rookie opening day, particularly if 271 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: it's Anthony Richardson or somebody like that that needs some 272 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: seasoning at least you think so on paper. I'm just 273 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: shocked if they move up and do that, because I 274 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't think Rabel would want to giving up draft capital 275 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: to take care of needs that he knows they have, 276 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: and I know Rant Carthon knows it as well. But 277 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: the quarterback pick for the Titans in a move up 278 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: scenario just feels like, I don't want to say desperation, 279 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: but something that Mike Vrabel's not gonna want to do. 280 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: Not that he's in love with Ryan Tannehill at this 281 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: point in Ryan's career, but he's probably the best chance 282 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: for them to win early on in the season and 283 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: then they take it from there. They just went through 284 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: this with Malik Willis. Now you're gonna draft somebody else, 285 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: and I know what you're gonna say, listeners. Oh, whoever 286 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: they get in the top ten, top eleven, especially in 287 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: three is gonna be way better than Malik Willis prospect wise. 288 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, but the pain of playing 289 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: most rookies is not something that that coaching staff wants 290 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: to go through. That's my take. How many sizzle fires. 291 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that's many sizzle fires. I think you're 292 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: absolutely on it. Keep in mind, on Draft night last year, 293 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: when A. J. Brown was traded and it was announced 294 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: that he was traded, there was a camera in the 295 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: Titans war room and Rabel was visibly upset. He was 296 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: visibly upset. I don't think Rabel wants to play a 297 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. Now. I'm not totally convinced he wants to 298 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: play Ryan Tannehill either, but I do think Vrabel understands 299 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: what he has with Tannehill, and with all the moving 300 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: parts that there have been and there may be more 301 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons, they don't have a deal done there. So 302 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: what are they gonna do with that? How are they 303 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: gonna handle that? Kevin Bayard was asked to take a 304 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: pay cut, Maybe he doesn't come back. Now if for 305 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: some reason Bayard has moved out because the contract thing 306 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: like a J Brown. If Simmons is not staying long 307 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: in Tennessee and it's a true, true reset, then I 308 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: think it's probably a three and a half to four 309 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: sizzle fire. But I don't think that Vrabel wants to 310 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: go with a rookie quarterback week one to start the year. 311 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: And if you take a guy at number three, presumably 312 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: he's your guy, you're gonna want to see him start 313 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: right away. I think it's probably one to one and 314 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: a half. I don't I think if that were the case. 315 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: I think if they can make things right with Bayard 316 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: and Simmons and those guys, I don't think there's any 317 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: way Rabel would let a rookie quarterback go their Week one. 318 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: So now the flip side is they may still take 319 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: a quarterback at three, thinking, all right, let's get Anthony Richardson. 320 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: We think he's got a lot of upside, but we're 321 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: gonna treat it like Mahomes in twenty seventeen. Tannehill's got 322 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: the final year. He knows it. They're gonna play the 323 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: rookie after that, and then you rock on from there. 324 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: I could see Rabel maybe getting on board with that. Maybe. 325 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: The one that is interesting to me at that point 326 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: is if the Titans trade up, will the Colts just say, 327 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: you know what, let's go after Lamar. I don't care 328 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: if we give him a contract in the Ravens Matt, 329 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: Let's go after Lamar. Let's just do it. Because are 330 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: we gonna take the fourth best quarterback in this draft 331 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: or one of the top four quarterbacks arguably in this league. Yeah, 332 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: you gotta trade, and you gotta pay. Let's do Let's 333 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: now it doesn't feel like a Colts thing. But could 334 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: I see him doing it? Yeah, maybe maybe I could 335 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: at that point. Well, I'll be really curious to see, obviously, 336 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering how much the phones are ringing and 337 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: they're not burner phones anymore at the Cardinal Facility. With 338 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 1: that number three pick available, right, people want to move up, 339 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: You want to jump in front of the cults. You 340 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: presume they're going to take a quarterback. And we just 341 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: talked about Titans ownership. Yeah, I just wonder how Colts 342 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: ownership is feeling and what they're thinking right now? Right, 343 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: what does Jim Hursay think they should do versus what 344 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: Chris Ballard wants to do. And then you have the 345 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 1: new coaching staff, what are they think. I mean a 346 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: lot of people are putting this Richardson thing together with 347 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: jail and Hurts. I'm not so sure. I'm down with that. 348 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: I understand the thinking, I get the concept, but Jail 349 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: it hurts to me. It's almost insulting to jail and 350 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: hurts to compare Richardson to him right now. I mean, 351 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: jail It Hurts is an accomplished college quarterback coming out 352 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: of school at the time, right, He's the guy's got 353 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: some pelts, two huge programs, many big games. You know. Richardson. Look, 354 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: I get what he's done, all right, and he's put 355 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: up some good tape. He's not Jealen Hurts coming out 356 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: of college. I know he's gonna go higher than Jalen Hurts. 357 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: Win doesn't mean he's better than Jalen Hurts, and it 358 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you should automatically compare these two guys because Hurts, 359 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: I believe showed a lot more ability even though we 360 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: didn't get picked this high. So I'm kind of talking 361 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: myself out of this. Let's put it this way, Johnny. 362 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: If Jalen Hurts is available in this draft, just based 363 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: on what he did in college, where's he going? And 364 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: I guess that might are thinking might change right now 365 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: based on what Jalen Hurts did in the NFL. It's 366 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: hard to eliminate that Jalen Hurts has helped Jalen Hurts 367 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: in this scenario. But you get what I'm saying here. 368 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: I just think that it's it's almost insulting to presume 369 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: that Shane Stikin can work that Jealen Hurts magic with 370 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. That's a lot to put out Richardson, it is, 371 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, the fans of the Colts 372 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: and fans of Stikin would say, well, he had Herbert 373 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: with the Chargers, and he had I'm trying remember who 374 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: he had before that. Maybe it was Philip Rivers. I 375 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: don't like, I can't remember if he's the charges I 376 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: think he was. So he went from Rivers to Herbert 377 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: to Jalen Hurts. Why didn't it work with Carson Wentz? 378 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: Why didn't Why did that work? Why all of a 379 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: sudden is it just about? You know, what's going on? 380 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: And I know that Syriana was only there a couple 381 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: of years, but they had Wentz in twenty one or 382 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: maybe once was before. They know they didn't have Wents. 383 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry they they they did have Jalen. Now, look, 384 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: Jalen in this draft would probably be quarterback. He'd probably 385 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: be a quarterback four or five. But the greatness of 386 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is the fact that he came to the 387 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: league and he really improved. He became a much more 388 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: consistent passer. He was always a great runner, but his 389 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: passing eat. That's the thing about Jalen. If I think 390 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: back to twenty sixteen and when his first year at 391 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: Alabama versus the passer that he has become now, it's 392 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: it's outstanding. I mean, it's absolutely outstanding the work that 393 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: he has done. Do you know these guys that are 394 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, top four right now with young Stroud, Levison, Richardson. 395 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: Are those guys gonna put in that work? Are they 396 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: capable of taking the teachings and becoming better? Because they 397 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: are may Anthy Richardson is the right guy probably for 398 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: Shane Steken at that point, He's got the higher upside. 399 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: In fact, Richardson might have the highest upside of any 400 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: quarterback in this draft. And that's why I hate the word, 401 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: because there's there is a wool boy, there is a Yeah, 402 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: it's I hate that word, but I think that's what 403 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: you have to We have to think about that with 404 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson for sure. But could you imagine texts to 405 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: two go younger Stroud, the Tides were the three and 406 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: take Richardson, the Colts decide, you know what we gotta 407 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: get Levis. Let's take Levis. Three rookie quarterbacks in the 408 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: AFC South all the same time. Do you remember that 409 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: ever happening? Has that ever happened rookies? No? Not in 410 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: this division? Right, not that many? I don't think so. No, 411 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: this divis it is as old as two thousand and 412 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: two when the Texans started play by the way back 413 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: to Hurts. Just for a moment though, and just so 414 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: the listeners understand in college, the completion percentage is at 415 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: Oklahoma seventy percent completions. All right, that's nice. Thirty two touchdowns, 416 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: eight picks. These are his Oklahoma's stance. Yeah, I mean 417 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: that's pretty strong stuff. Career sixty five percent and he 418 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: went in the second round. And you're talking about a guy, 419 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, guys in Richardson and Levis who barely got 420 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: I think nineteen touchdown. I think maybe they combine Mark. 421 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if they hit Jalen Hurts touchdown number. Listen, 422 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: when we talked to Nick, we don't have time to 423 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: ask these kinds of questions, but I want to ask 424 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: him now, like where did you have Hurts right coming out? 425 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: And if it wasn't high, why why not? Based on 426 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: those numbers and based on who he is? Now? Because 427 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: I've asked Nick this before, how do you tell if 428 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: a guy has what you just described, Johnny, the draw 429 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: to get better, that improvement ethic, the work that you're 430 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: going to put in to get your game up level 431 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: after level after level. As you keep as sending, he 432 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: has that clearly, how do you tell if somebody has that? 433 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer to that question is. 434 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: In football, in sports, in sales, if you're hiring a salesperson, 435 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: how can you really tell somebody without a track record, 436 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: a proven track record, basically a rookie, if they have 437 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: that drive to make all those phone calls, all those emails, 438 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: whatever it takes to get prospects and closed deals in 439 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: a quarterbacks case, to get better, to get more accurate, 440 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: to make better plays, to process faster. I don't know 441 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: what the answer is, but that's for these guys to 442 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: figure out, and you too, no doubt. And if they 443 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: get it right, and hopefully they get it right, and 444 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: number two or twelve or thirty three or whatever the 445 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: case might be, hopefully this cargo ship will get turned 446 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: around going in the right direction very very soon. Now 447 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: two twelve, In particular, one are the various options facing 448 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: Nick Cassio at that point, Judor and I discussed those 449 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: in the right here in Texas All Access. Next, what's 450 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: up everybody? Welcome back this Wednesday. They should have Texas 451 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: All Access from Monday Texans Radio Studio. I'm John Harris, 452 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: your host, and it's time to go in the lab. 453 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: Drew presents to me four different branches as it pertains 454 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 1: to picks two and twelve as it currently sits. It's 455 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: funny we'll talk about two and twelve and two and 456 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: twelve and two and twelve, and it could end up 457 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: being Draft night. I don't know nine and seventeen. You know, 458 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: who knows what the Texans and Nickos Sariah will do 459 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: with the different draft picks that they've got twelve of them. 460 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: And that leads obviously to the first question that Drew asks, 461 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: how many picks will they actually make? The Texans and 462 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: the NFL creep closer and closer to the draft. This 463 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: is the first in lab that we've done in the 464 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: draft month of April. April twenty seventh is the day. 465 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: That's a Thursday in Kansas City. I will be there 466 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: along with a nice contingent of others from the Houston Texans. 467 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna say. We've got some stuff cooking. 468 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: Your pal and I'm friends with him in a social 469 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: sort of way. But Lance Zerline had a nice mock 470 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: draft recently. I love mock drafts. There's a there's a 471 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: section of the world out there that poopoos the mock 472 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: drafts like I love him. I love seeing them. The 473 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: latest mock draft roundup. Has the Texans go on with 474 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: Bryce Young overall at two you had about seventy seven 475 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: percent of the mock drafts saying that he's the pick 476 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: and Jackson Smith Jigba at twelve, So that'd be a 477 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: nice combo, so to speak. He really rose Smith Jigba, 478 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: he rose. He was on like fourteen of the forty 479 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: seven drafts. You had Jalen Hyatt, who I'm intrigued by 480 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: as well, the Tennessee wide receiver. But today I want 481 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: to talk about what do you think is more likely 482 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: to happen Quarterback and wide receiver two and twelve, if 483 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: they do indeed stay at two and twelve, or quarterback 484 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: and defensive lineman specifically edge rusher. Which of those two 485 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: branches do you think happens or is it a third one, 486 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: neither or a combo of something else. What do you 487 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: think one? Two or three? Quarterback, pass fresher, quarterback receiver 488 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: or wild card wild card? Okay, I think now to 489 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: our buddy lance, our lines mock he's been he's taking 490 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: some eat for this one, which I could see happening. 491 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: His reasoning is very well thought. It I could see 492 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: it happen. I'm not I'm not saying that's that's an 493 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: idiotic that's I could totally see that happening. But one 494 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: of those three branches, do you see the Texans swinging from? Yeah, 495 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: to me, I think it's it's probably a fourth branch. 496 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: It's half of that one. I think it is quarterback 497 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: in two, even though you know Lance if you haven't seen, 498 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: Lance ended up going with Tybree Wilson from Texas Tech 499 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: in number two over Will Anderson Junr. Which I think 500 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: I think the most ardent Texans fan could look at 501 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: the situation there and go, Okay, you didn't get quarterback, 502 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: but you got Will Anderson Jure. A lot of people 503 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: think he's number one, um, you know, one, number one 504 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: prospect in the in the country. So I can go 505 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: with that. But when you throw Tyree Wilson, people outside 506 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: of love at Texasco, wait, what huh? Why him? Over 507 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: Will Anniston Junior? So not no, you're not going might 508 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: say the same thing. True. Now, I do think it's 509 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: quarterback at two. It just feels that way just listening 510 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: and I you know, you're not gonna get anything from Nick, 511 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: but you're not gonna get into from Demiko either, But 512 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: just listening to Demiko talking about the quarterbacks, he kept 513 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: talking about whether two quarterbacks or two quarterbacks, And look, 514 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: it's lying season, so you never know. And I'm obviously 515 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: not calling Tomko liar, but you just don't put all 516 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: your business out there. I just feel like you can 517 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: get a face to the franchise quarterback at one or two, 518 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: and we're sitting at too. So if they go Stroud, 519 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: we go young. If they go young, we go Stroud, 520 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: and I would feel good about that. So the quarterback 521 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: to me feels good at two. I think the other 522 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: branch I would put his trade down at twelve. And 523 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 1: I like that because of the ones you brought up, 524 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: and you brought up quarterback, defensive end, quarterback, wide receiver. 525 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: I have a feeling that at twelve, and I think 526 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: those are the two positions. But I think there's going 527 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: to be not so much a glut of defensive ends 528 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: and of wide receivers, but there's going to be a 529 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: significant number of those players at that position. So from 530 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: the defensive end perspective, you could you know Lucas Vans 531 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: from out of Iowa, Miles Murphy from out of Clemson, 532 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: who I really like. You could have the Keyon White 533 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: from Georgia Tech. Who's in that mix? Wide receiver? You 534 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: could have Jackson Smith a jig but in that mix 535 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: you could have Quintin Johnston and a mix. You could 536 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: have George Maddison the mix. So those are just names 537 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: that we you know, we've talked about. You know guy 538 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: that I love, Zay Flowers, could be in that mix 539 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: from Boston College, who I absolutely a duo. I love 540 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers a little smaller. I mean he is not 541 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: Quintin Johnston. I mean they're like this. But because there's 542 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: so many and there potentially could be a quarterback on 543 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: the board at twelve or a player, you know, whether 544 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: there's defensive end, wide receiver, maybe Jalen Carter falls and 545 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: a team is just going to trade up. I think 546 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna have options to trade down because there are 547 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: options for you to select amongst that group we talked about, 548 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: And I think there are gonna be teams that want 549 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: to trade up because there may be a quarterback that 550 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: falls through, or there may be a there may be 551 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: a quarterback or a singular player, but a team knows, 552 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: can't excuse me, get at twenty five or twenty six 553 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: but they can't get at twelve, and maybe that's what 554 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: the Texans want to do. Bruce Fellman, who did is 555 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: mocked for the Athletic, had a Texans. Yeah Bruce is 556 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: the best, Yeah, the best. But Bruce is not a 557 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: mock drafter. But what he did was he put together 558 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: a mock draft. But the big crux of what he 559 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: did was he got coaches to talk about those particular 560 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: players that had coached against them in college. And I 561 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting. Well, he had the Texans 562 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: moving down from out of twelve to twenty five and 563 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: they still got Quentin Johnson. So I think with those 564 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: players that talked about defensive in a wide receiver because 565 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: there is a surplus of them, because there is a 566 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: lot of supply for them at twelve, I think you 567 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: can move down. How far you move down it makes 568 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: to be seen. But I do think there are gonna 569 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: be some teams that are gonna want a call. They 570 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: always know Nick is in the business of move it down. 571 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: Last year it was only two picks. It was two 572 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: picks they moved down. They got additional picks that they 573 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: were able to use to move up and get metal. 574 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: I think that formula works again. But I think they 575 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: can even go a little bit further down and they 576 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: can move into the seventeen eighteen, maybe into the twenty 577 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: one twenty two range, and then whatever they get from that, 578 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: then they use to take pick sixty five and move up. 579 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: So instead of picking at two twelve, thirty three, sixty five, 580 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: seventy three, you pick at two, I don't know, twenty 581 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: thirty three, fifty two and seventy three, and so you 582 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: kind of you kind of spread it out a little 583 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: bit more, but you get a higher second round pick, 584 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: and that you get a you move up in the 585 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: second round from a high third round position, And so 586 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that I would I would 587 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: absolutely considering. Maybe you get more ammunition that you can 588 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: then you know, make another move with maybe seventy three. 589 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: Maybe we've up from seventy three to sixty seven, so 590 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: you're getting five picks in the top I don't know, 591 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: sixty five as opposed to where they have now four 592 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: in this top to sixty five. Maybe you're able to 593 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: do some work with number twelve. So I think that's 594 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: probably the way it'll go, but I don't know at 595 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: what point will know that, I mean obviously, if all 596 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks end up going and it pushes wide receivers 597 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: and defensivans down the board, I think there's a definite 598 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: possibility of that trade down scenario happening. I thought about 599 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: the trade up scenario, but it would have to be 600 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: somebody that was falling that they didn't expect to fall, Like, 601 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: wait a second, we had a really high grade in 602 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: this guy. We thought he was gone, like maybe Tyree Wilson. 603 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: Maybe Wilson falls for whatever reason. Maybe there's a lot 604 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: of concern about the foot stillies two season and injuries 605 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: in his career. You know, is that a concern? You 606 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: know what our medical people have to say? Who knows. 607 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that the trade up scenario I like it, 608 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: and I didn't mind how Lance went about it. I 609 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't have taken will Levis at seven, but I definitely 610 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: would have taken Anthony Richardson. So I didn't mind. If 611 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: I walk out of there with Tyree Wilson Anthony Richardson, 612 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: I'd feel like, Wow, that's a ton of upside. But 613 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: I think walking out of there with Bryce Young and 614 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: potentially Miles Murphy or Bryce Young and Lucas van s 615 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna feel pretty good about that of 616 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: the two and twelve, but I think it's gonna be 617 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: quarterback at to trade down at twelve. The one I 618 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: think could be the trade up scenario is thirty three. 619 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: Thirty three to me, can end up being a trade 620 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: up scenario into the back end of the first round. 621 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: I've played with mock drafts, just as you have, Drew 622 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: and just as your kids have, and I'd actually rather 623 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: get their opinion on it, because they would probably wiser 624 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: to because they probably don't one every day. I think 625 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: the scenario from thirty three going up to the back 626 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: end of the first round could end up netting them 627 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: a really good player. I looked at what the Jets 628 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: did last year, and I think that was a good model. 629 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what they gave up to do it, 630 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: but they were sitting at the top of this second round. 631 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: They moved to the back into the first round because 632 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson, defensive end rusher from Florida State was falling 633 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: fall and I, you know whatever, he was still available, 634 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: and so they called and made a deal and moved 635 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: up to twenty five twenty six, and so they had 636 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: a draft that was Sauce Gardner defensive rookie of the Year, 637 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: Gary Wilson offensive rookie there, and then they got Jermaine Johnson, 638 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: who made a mark on special teams, but then at 639 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: the end of year starts showing what he could do 640 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: as an edge rusher. So they really were able to 641 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: do that. I think there's a really good model there 642 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: so to me to trade down from twelve into the 643 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: twenty range, and they keep an eye on guys that 644 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: you might have had a high first round grade on 645 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: that could have fallen through the cracks to you twenty eight, 646 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: twenty nine, and maybe you make a move with since 647 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: ADDIE's at twenty eight Saints or at twenty nine I believe, 648 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: or twenty nine thirty, whatever it is, you move up 649 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: three four spots, that might be what you need to 650 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: to go get a player that has maybe fallen into 651 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: your hands at that particular point. All right, it's time 652 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: to press you. So I'm gonna present you with a question. 653 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: You've got to answer it, and then you've got to 654 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: justify it in ten seconds or less. So here's the question. 655 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 1: Nick Cassario and the Texans enter this draft with twelve picks. 656 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: Nick Cassario and the Texans will exit this draft with 657 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: how many picks John, I think it's gonna end up 658 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: being the same as last year. I think it's gonna 659 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: be nine. I feel like they're gonna package a couple 660 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: of those six rounders. I'm thinking backwards. I think they're 661 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: gonna package a couple of six rounders to move up, 662 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: maybe at the back end of the fifth or get 663 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: a high pick and a sixth. I think they are 664 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: gonna whatever they would get back in the trade down 665 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: from twelve. I think they'll use to move up for 666 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: one of those other picks. I think it's gonna end 667 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: up what did I say? Nine? Ten? Sorry? Ten? Twelve 668 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: to ten? So I think they'll end up packaging to 669 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: move up for a different pick. They'll package another couple 670 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: to go up with what they get from a trade 671 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: down at twelve. So even though they'll trade down, I 672 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: do think they'll use that to move up. So last year, 673 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: with the trade at twelve sorry thirteen, to move down 674 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: to fifteen, they got a fourth and a fifth, they 675 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: got like three different picks. I think they then turned 676 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: around and use those to move up to go get 677 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: John Mecchi at forty four or whatever he was selected. 678 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: So I think any trade down scenario is going to 679 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: do that. Now, if it's a significant trade down, I 680 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: think it'll end up being a pick for next year, 681 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: which you and I've talked about would be I'd be 682 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: okay with I wonder over ten seconds. Sorry, it's all right. 683 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: I still love it, bro it's podcast. Hopefully hopefully people 684 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: are and you only had ten seconds, John, that's sorry 685 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: about that. That's what we do here, that's why that's 686 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: why people check out in the Lab, and that's why 687 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: we appreciate you listening and watching if you're checking this out. 688 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: But John, always good being with you, my friend, and 689 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: I can't wait to do this again next week. Oh yeah, 690 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: I love doing in the lab with and obviously the 691 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: next few weeks will be about to I don't know, 692 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: the draft, something that we know a lot about. Speaking 693 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: of the draft, Brian Brazi is a defensive tackle from Clemson. 694 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: He's an incredible athlete. He's one of the top three 695 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: prospects coming out of high school. In fact, he might 696 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: have been number one in a lot of different services 697 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: before he went to Clemson. What is he all about? 698 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: Could he be a Texan? Well? Dpcit who found out 699 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: We'll have that next on Texas All Access. We go 700 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: on follow segment this initiation of Texas All Access. I 701 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: am John Harris, your host. Tip turnover to our good 702 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: friend Depcito, who sat down with Alex Turney who covers 703 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: the Clemson Tigers, to talk a little Brian Brazi. So 704 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: with Brese, I this is a player where if you 705 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: just got rid of injuries, he's a bona fide top 706 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: ten pick easily. He has the athleticism, he has the background, 707 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: he has the power rushing moves, he's got the run, block, run, defending, 708 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: He's got Brose's got everything. He really is one of 709 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: those guys that has everything, and it's sad to watch 710 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: that the one thing that really does hold the player 711 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: back is injuries. So that's that's one thing of recent 712 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: I've been kind of dissecting the field. I disagree with 713 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: what a lot of people seem to think about him, 714 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: Like there's quite a few people that just don't seem 715 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: to think that that he's as talented as we make 716 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: him out to be. And for those people, I just 717 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: I just say, you need to watch You need to 718 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: watch the tape. You can't just pinpoint a couple of 719 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: things a couple moments and say this is this is 720 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: where I'm going to stand with him, because this is 721 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: a guy who's dealt with a lot, like he's dealt 722 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: with a lot in his collegiate career. And I don't 723 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it's fair the way people are 724 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: knocking him for the things that are out of his control. 725 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: When it comes to talent, Top fifteen, pick top ten, 726 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: I could see him falling towards I think the Lions 727 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: are eighteen. That's my cutoff for him. Are the Lions 728 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: at eighteen? If he goes past that, I think teams 729 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: are making a mistake. But it's just it's really just 730 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: about whether he's on the field or not. I think 731 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: that's really what people are coming down to with Berse. 732 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: All Right, you say Bresse and I say Brazie, So 733 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: which is it? We might as well? I think I 734 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: think I think Brazie's correct. I it's tough with some 735 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: of these guys because you know, you just you just 736 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: say it and then it just think that's probably how 737 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: he was referred to it Clemson. Okay, I just want 738 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: to make sure I had it right before I went 739 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: through the entire draft process, all right, you you you 740 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: alluded to it a lot of the stuff that he 741 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: went to off the field, and I think the big 742 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: story with him obviously the tragic passing of his fifteen 743 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: year old sister Ella last year after her battle with 744 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: brain cancer. So tell us a little bit about that tragedy. 745 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: We saw him on the like return of the field 746 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: almost very soon after, not miss a game, but you know, 747 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: you were there covering him. What was that entire what 748 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: was that entire ordeal like for him and the teammates, 749 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: And it was kind of cool to see Davos sweet 750 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: and everyone really rally around him after that. It's definitely 751 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: just tragic event overall. Everything about it just you don't 752 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: wishren't anybody nobody does, and you learn a lot about 753 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: somebody's character and situations like that. And he's the way 754 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: he handled himself, the way he handled things with his family, 755 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: the way Clemson handled things, and not only Clemson, the 756 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: way they universally the football community, the way every everybody 757 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: handled that was was kind of remarkable. It was a 758 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: tough time for him, It was a tough time for Clemson, 759 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: even even for US you know, it's it's like a 760 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: piece of family for for the Clemson community kind of 761 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: going and it was definitely tough for the team. But 762 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 1: the way they rallied around him, and the way he 763 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: represents his sister and lives hopes to live her life 764 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,760 Speaker 1: through him, it's kind of tough to talk on honestly, 765 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: because it's it's I don't want to put myself in 766 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: his shoes, but from an outside perspective, from an outside perspective, 767 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: he he just overcame and triumphed in a way, which 768 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 1: it may sound weird in the situation, but everybody rallied 769 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: around him. He he just went out there and played 770 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: at the end of the day for for somebody to 771 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: do what he did and overcome what he and his 772 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: family did, he got he should have the countries or 773 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: and I think he did because we were all with 774 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,919 Speaker 1: him and he just he just worked hard and he's 775 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: working towards his future. So it's it's it's tough to 776 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: it's tough to think about, and it's definitely tough for 777 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: him still. But knowing him, watching play through the years 778 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: too and watching through interviews, you know that he's he's okay, 779 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: and he's getting better throughout the days, and you know, 780 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: it's always going to sit with him, it always stick 781 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: with him. But he handled everything much better than I 782 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: would have much. Yeah, I think that was one of 783 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: the most impressive things about I saw story on ESPN, 784 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: just like the everything that him and his family went 785 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: through and then how we returned to the field, and 786 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: so just to have to do that at that young 787 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: age is just really really commendable. I mean, I think 788 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: NFL teams are gonna be hard pressed to find someone 789 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: more impressive than going through something like that and then 790 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: coming out on the other end and then still putting 791 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: together a season and a combine performance that. I mean, 792 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: he really shined out there at the NFL Combines. He 793 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: certainly did. He put the they're a great combat at 794 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: six five eight ran a sub five second forty. Brian 795 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: Berzie out of Clemson. I know there are some people 796 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: down on him because the past year he didn't play 797 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: exception well. I said this earlier twenty twenty, Brian Berzie 798 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: might have been the best interior defensive player in America. 799 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: He was absolutely fantastic in twenty twenty one towards ACL 800 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 1: early in the season, missed the rest of this season 801 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, he had the shoulder, He had his 802 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 1: shoulder surgery on top of the fact that he lost 803 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: his just lovely sister Ella due to cancer, and so 804 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: you got all that going on. Man, it's tough. And 805 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: I've seen over the years a lot of guys that 806 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,760 Speaker 1: have fallen to that category that have had an injury 807 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: or have had a rough season for certain situations, and 808 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: they get beyond it. They show the strength to get 809 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: beyond it, and they go to the Combine, they test well, 810 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden things are pointing out, but 811 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: the NFL teams are still a little I don't know, man, 812 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. And then those guys go into the 813 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 1: league and they tear it up and hopefully Brian Brazie 814 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: is a guy that does that. Does he end up 815 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,919 Speaker 1: with the Texans potentially? Does he end up at twelve 816 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: or thirty three? Yeah, man, I think for Brazil it 817 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: would probably make sense right there between twenty and twenty five. 818 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: I think I think I've got him like fifteen or 819 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: sixteen in the Harris one hundred. So you know our 820 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are gonna play and that we're gonna push everybody down. 821 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: So we'll see what it does if Brian Brazie is 822 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: definitely somebody to watch in this draft, especially for the 823 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: use of Texans right there. From Clemson University, the Big Tanks, 824 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: the DP, Alex Turi to Mark to Drew, to all 825 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: of you for listening. Thank you so much. With Sam Arrow, 826 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: as always, go Texans.