1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: my name is Noa. 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We are joined as always with 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 3: our super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. If you are 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: tuning in to our listener mail program the Evening to 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 3: publish as folks, fellow conspiracy realist, friends and neighbors, welcome 13 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 3: to Thursday, August seventh, twenty twenty five. 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 4: Let's hear some rude. 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: Vegas School is back. 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean the pool is closed just yet. 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: There's still time to dig up the rudebigas. It's stuff 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: they don't want you to float Podcasting's biggest water park. 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: Come ride the Lazy River, experience the thrills of our 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: wackiest water slides this weekend. Buy one Rudebiga, get one free, 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: Come on down. Because digging up the ruta bagas is mandatory. 22 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 5: It stuff they don't. 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 4: Want you to blow. 24 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: Oh fantastic. 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 4: Ninety and rude Vegas. That's yes, God, my god, Dylan, Yes, 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 4: thank you for national treasure. 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: This is such a weird time when the pools are 28 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: still open but school is back. Strange. It's very strange 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: because I keep thinking on the weekends, like, we gotta 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: go to the pool obviously, what else are we gonna do. 31 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 4: We've also had a run of crap weather here in Atlanta, 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 4: the last very anti pool weather. I haven't been in 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 4: a single pool this whole summer's time. You gotta be 34 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 4: the pool you wish to see. That's true. 35 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: It's true, which probably makes better sense in a different language. Uh, folks, 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: It is well into a birthday season for us, and 37 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 3: we are so happy to be celebrating it by continuing 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 3: listener mail. When we get to hear from the best 39 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 3: part of the show, you and your fellow conspiracy realist, 40 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 3: We're going. 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 4: To have a fantastic story. 42 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: I'm really excited about this one, guys, about space pancakes. 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 3: No spoilers just yet. We might hear some fast food 44 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: recommendations round up there. Because we had so many of 45 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: our fellow listeners right in about that. A lot of 46 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: people contacting us about nursing, super smell abilities, alien Earth observation. 47 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: Before we get into the real Rue de big is there, 48 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 3: We're going to pause for a word from our sponsors. 49 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: We're going to return to a subject that fascinates us 50 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: so much that it's actually spoiler going to be an 51 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 3: episode of ridiculous history as well. 52 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 4: And we have returned, and let's just get right to 53 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: these particular rue de begas. We've got a letter coming 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 4: from the United Kingdom evening from the UK. That's United Kingdom. 55 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 4: Apologies if you've already covered this, we haven't, but it's 56 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 4: a subject near and dear to all of us. However, 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 4: I just listened to an episode of The Guardians Today 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 4: in Focus podcast which interviewed Caroline Fraser. I hadn't heard 59 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 4: of her before, but she's a Pulitzerprise winning journalist who 60 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: has a very interesting theory about lead as in PB 61 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 4: on the periodic table and male violence. She's just published 62 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: a book called murder Land, which explores how lead poisoning 63 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 4: may be behind the volume of serial killers in the 64 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 4: nineteen seventies and eighties in the Pacific Northwest of the 65 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 4: United States. Very simply put, many serial killers such as 66 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 4: Ted Bundy lived in areas where there was a high 67 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 4: level of industrial lead waste. Crucially, they lived in these 68 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: areas as children. It's thought this exposure may have affected 69 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 4: their brain development and contributed to the sheer number of 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: serial killers during this period. There's an Interesting Times article 71 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 4: interview here if you want to learn more. Keep up 72 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 4: the entertaining k My goodness, kay, I think this uh really, 73 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 4: you know, checked a box for all three of us. 74 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: As we've you know, obviously in this podcast alone, we 75 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 4: talk about these sorts of true crime serial killer stories. Often. 76 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 4: We've all independently and as a group, worked on various 77 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: true crime stories, many of which are based in the 78 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 4: mid the Pacific Northwest. Worked on a show called The 79 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 4: Happy Face or Happy Face, as did Ben, which was 80 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 4: about a notorious serial killer from Washington State. And then 81 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 4: some of the biggest names in serial killing, if that's 82 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: a thing, have hailed from this. 83 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: Region in Zodiac Zodiac San Francis, San Francisco Bay Area and. 84 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: Murder in Oregon as well, the Murder. 85 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 4: In Oregon as well, a lot of the hits. And 86 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 4: it is absolutely an interesting point that I hadn't considered 87 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 4: in this respect. But we had definitely considered on this 88 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 4: show and on Ridiculous History in terms of this notion. 89 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 4: A recent study I think as well, about how lead 90 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 4: content perhaps increased the decline of Roman civilization, or at 91 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 4: least their influence on the rest of the world, because 92 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 4: of all of the lead that they were consuming, the 93 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 4: lead that they were being, you know, contaminated by. In 94 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 4: this idea of a cognitive decline, you know, of an 95 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 4: entire civilization over time. So this absolutely tracks in so 96 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 4: many ways, and you're absolutely right, Kay. The article why 97 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: do so many serial killers come from the Pacific Northwest? 98 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 4: A new book offers a theory by Rosemary counter Uh 99 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 4: In Time is a really great read, and I will 100 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 4: read a couple of quotes from the interview with the author, 101 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 4: Caroline Fraser. She was just seven years old and lived 102 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 4: only miles away during Ted Bundy's nineteen seventy four killing spree, 103 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 4: and she had this to say. The question here, coming 104 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 4: from the reporter the Zodiac killer John Wayne Gacy, Gary Ridgeway, 105 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 4: Jeffrey Dahmer, son of Sam Richard Ramirez, that it feels 106 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 4: like suddenly serial killers were everywhere. Caroline says, certainly by 107 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 4: the time of Ramirez in the mid eighties, people were thinking, 108 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 4: what the hell is going on here? It makes me 109 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 4: think of that expression people for around there must have 110 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 4: been something in the water. Well, it's striking to me 111 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 4: now that nobody was asking why, nobody was looking at 112 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 4: the larger pattern and asking are there more killers than before? 113 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 4: Is there something about the Pacific Northwest? The FBI was 114 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 4: presenting themselves as the experts, but they weren't explaining anything 115 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 4: about the phenomenon. Serial killers have always been with us 116 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 4: in some fashion, but certainly not in these numbers. And 117 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 4: then she goes on to get asked about this lead 118 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 4: crime hypothesis, which posits, according to the reporter, a direct 119 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 4: correlation between crime and lead, or as you put it, 120 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 4: speaking to Caroline, more lead, more murder. What's the connection, 121 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 4: they ask? Caroline says this, and then we'll just send 122 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: it to the group, because I think we're all itching 123 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 4: to talk about this. During the post war period, an 124 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 4: enormous amount of lead was in the air from mainly 125 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 4: two sources, leaded gas which everybody used for decades, and 126 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 4: heavy industry like smelting. People are still debating the numbers, 127 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 4: but it is pretty well accepted now. That between twenty 128 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: and fifty percent of the sharp rising crime in the 129 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: nineteen eighties and nineties is attributed to lead. We know 130 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 4: lead causes aggression. We know lead damages the brain in 131 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 4: developing children. I don't think anybody thinks lead isn't at 132 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: least a factor anymore, as there's a clear association between 133 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 4: the withdrawal of leaded gas in the nineties and the 134 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 4: drop off of crime in the fifties and sixties. Geochemist 135 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 4: Claire Patterson proved that lead exposure had caused what he 136 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 4: called a loss of mental acuity. But the effects of 137 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 4: lead are all over the map. Besides intelligence, it can 138 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: affect personality. Many studies connect lead exposure to a particular 139 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: kind of frontal cortex damage that leads to heightened aggression. 140 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: This is observed largely in males. The higher the lead exposure, 141 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 4: the greater the brain volume mass and reduced brain volume 142 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: has been linked to higher levels of psychopathy and last thing, 143 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 4: specifically in the Pacific Northwest, there were some particularly nasty 144 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 4: sites smelting sites, and the way they disposed of their 145 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 4: waste was also particularly nasty. 146 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 6: Well. 147 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: It's interesting that it was smoke stacks, often where You've 148 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: just got twenty five pounds of lead dust and five 149 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty one pounds of arsenic, essentially dust just 150 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: pumping into the air every hour in one place. And 151 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: that's just one of the places that's smelting. And you 152 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: just imagined the whole area being covered in that stuff 153 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: that gets on everything. 154 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. They specifically talk about a SARCO in Tacoma, Washington, 155 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 4: which regularly released these clouds of lead and arsenic that 156 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: became white, ash, killed pets, eroded paint off of cars, 157 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 4: and the air literally became so poisoned that it was 158 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 4: the color of lead. And they referred to it as 159 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 4: the aroma of Tacoma. 160 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 3: Oh, I like it. 161 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: Rhyme, what is a SARCO hill It's say smelting operation. 162 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 3: Okay, okay. This also reminds us of one of the 163 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: most infamous inventors in history, one of the worst cases 164 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 3: of an accidental bad guy, Thomas Midgley Junior. He's the 165 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: guy who invented, essentially invented popularized leaded gasoline. The right Yeah, 166 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: the lead crime hypk. Please read up on Midgley if 167 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 3: you are having an afternoon that feels too pleasant. 168 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: We saw said on him on ridiculous history as well, 169 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 4: or we lumped him in with I think a was 170 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 4: it inventors killed by their no inventors, Yes, stuff by accident. 171 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 4: That sucks basically right. 172 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, inventors killed by their own inventions. That guy was 173 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 3: a real accidental bad dude. The lead crime hypothesis and 174 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: Glader bringing this up is a great case study in 175 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 3: how scientific thought can evolve because originally it was treated 176 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 3: as sort of an esoteric wing nut thing. But we 177 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: can trace now, we can correlate geographic areas roughly to 178 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: lead exposure, and to be absolutely clear, there is no 179 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 3: such thing as an acceptable level of lead exposure. This 180 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 3: is as orwell would say, double plus a good any 181 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: amount no matter how minu scoole can have some degree 182 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: of those neurological effects that Noel's talking about there. 183 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 4: Okay, truly, Matt, how this hit you? I mean I 184 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 4: know that you you know you worked on Zodiac. It 185 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 4: just it has had to have kind of dinged a 186 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 4: little bell for you when you saw this. 187 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, well it's very It's very interesting because there's 188 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: also this connection that's been made over and over again 189 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: with time in the military and when people get out 190 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: of the military after a certain amount of time and 191 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: then having some of these same traits, but aren't That 192 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: doesn't mean they become a serial killer. It's more linked 193 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 2: to the behavioral control mechanisms and how they can get yeah, 194 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: in post control, how that can get altered just with 195 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: exposure to you know, specific circumstances that you find yourself in, 196 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: or to chemicals and stuff you're exposed to, and it 197 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: I don't know it. Yeah, I want to go down 198 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 2: a rabbit hole on this. 199 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: This is why we think this is an episode in 200 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 3: the future. There is there's a real difficult challenge in 201 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: measuring the effect of let exposure on rates of crime, 202 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: like how to square those stats. We have to also 203 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: be able to separate other things like nutrition, medical care, 204 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: you know, the natural environment, the state of the schools. 205 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: It's tough, but it does appear now in twenty twenty 206 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 3: five that most experts agree there's something to it. There's 207 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: some sand stay away from lead if you can't for sure. 208 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 4: And the last little exchange in this time piece, the 209 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 4: journalist points out that America's serial killer database counted six 210 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 4: hundred and sixty nine serial killers in the nineties. Three 211 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 4: hundred and seventy one of the two thousands and one 212 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 4: hundred and seventeen in the twenty tens. Where do you 213 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: think they're all going? And Fraser points out more awareness 214 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 4: around like traumatic brain injuries and cognition degradation and cognition 215 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: and increased aggression, largely because of American football, which we've 216 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: talked about here on the podcast as well, but also 217 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 4: toxic chemicals being phased out. Of course, many of them 218 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 4: like lead specifically, which likely contributed the very least to 219 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 4: a decline in crime rates. Cheerfers to it as the 220 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 4: largest plunge in recorded history. She says, I don't think 221 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 4: serial killers are going anywhere as much as we didn't 222 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 4: grow them to begin with. 223 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: Man, there's stuff in here about cadmium being a possible, 224 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 2: you know issue if you're it was somebody who was 225 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: working as a welder who what's his name, James Oliver 226 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: Huberty h U b E r t Y shot twenty 227 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: two people dead in McDonald's in California in nineteen eighty four. 228 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: He was riddled with cadmium from his work as a welder. 229 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: This is from The Guardian, talking specifically about murder Land 230 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: the book. It's like a book review, but was just 231 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: saying there's, you know, potentially a lot of other metals 232 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: that could be a potential issue when it comes to 233 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: exposure in the brain. 234 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 4: No, we certainly know the whole mad as a hatter 235 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: trope that was a direct result of hat makers haberdashers 236 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 4: working with felt for hats that were treated with mercury 237 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 4: and caused even people you know, wearing them. So that'd 238 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: be an interesting stat to look into as well. We 239 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 4: know that these things can have a direct impact on 240 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 4: people's cognition. 241 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Kay, I'd also like to add here it's 242 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: going to be interesting to look at the possibility of 243 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 3: intergenerational effects. The idea being is it possible that lead 244 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 3: exposure in a parent couple can create some sort of 245 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: damaging effect in the child? How deep does this go? 246 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: There's also again with serial killers or serial murderers, there's 247 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: always the question of whether the numbers are increasing, or 248 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: whether investigative investigative abilities are increasing. Are there more skeletons 249 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: in the closet, or do we have better flashlights? So 250 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: that's something that also needs to be considered. But it's 251 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: it's very much a fascinating conversation, so much so that 252 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: Noel I went Noel k Matt I went ahead and 253 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 3: ordered I'm ordering a copy of murder Land right now. 254 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 4: It seems like a fascinating deep dive and apparently the 255 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: most comprehensive look into this particular set of factors. 256 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: Just a little light reading. 257 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 4: Why not, I'll check out the audiobook. Well, thanks, kay, 258 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 4: and we're gonna take a quick break here a word 259 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: from our sponsor, and then return to you with more 260 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: messages from you. 261 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, we've got three messages. We're gonna 262 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: jump straight in. This message comes to us from Easy 263 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: E and is based on our episode about the smell 264 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: of death. Here we go. 265 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 7: Hey, guys, it's easy and I'm a nurse. So many 266 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 7: nurses have a very keen sense of smell for obvious reasons. 267 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 7: A lot of nurses will say they can smell see this, 268 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 7: which is an infection of the intestine in your puckoo. 269 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 7: We can smell after and diabetic keosidosis. We can smell 270 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 7: if you drink so much food it's coming out near urine. 271 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 7: I've smelled death on a hospital bed days after a 272 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 7: patient died on it. I can differentiate bad breath and 273 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 7: both patients and anyone else, whether hey, just take a 274 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 7: sip of water, switch that around a little bit, or 275 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 7: have you not brushed your teeth in several bays or 276 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 7: have you you? I can tell between if you've had 277 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 7: anesthesia by your breast or if you've smoked for a 278 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 7: million years. Of course, that one is easy. I can tell. 279 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 7: I can tell of a patient just like let out 280 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 7: a little too a little part, or if they actually 281 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 7: have some puckoo down there that I need to assist 282 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 7: them with. Sorry, this is skiddy gross. I can sell 283 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 7: a trickle of tea if your cather is leaking? Is 284 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 7: this the talent? Is it because of practice and exposure 285 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 7: maybe a little bit of both. I have always had 286 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 7: a keen sense of smell before I was a nurse. 287 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 7: Either way, it's not making me rich, and it's just 288 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 7: me me realize who in the grocery store might need 289 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 7: a change of their underpants. So anyway, thanks for talking 290 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 7: about the smell of death. Some of us smell at 291 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 7: more than others. Thanks bye, wow. 292 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 4: Wow, it's definitely now for your own heart. Matt with 293 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 4: the poop poo talk, she said it the way you 294 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 4: say it man a little. 295 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it is definitely a talent. And 296 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: I want to know from everybody else, do you guys 297 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: have any nurses in your life that maybe had a 298 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: keen sense of smell before going into the practice? Anybody 299 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 2: else out there? Are those two things linked? Do we know? 300 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: Do you guys have any nurses in your lives? I 301 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 2: had a few friends who worked in ers, but they 302 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: weren't necessarily nurses, but they I know, one in particular, 303 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 2: had a ridiculous sense of smell, as in it's very good. 304 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: So I just wonder if that is a thing that 305 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: is linked, maybe even subconsciously. 306 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 3: Are you asking me, like personally, if I know any nurses? 307 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 6: Yeah? 308 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 3: I was okay, Yeah, so the I know if you 309 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: actually contacted some while we were researching Smell of Death, ED, 310 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: it's an interesting question to pose, you know, are you 311 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 3: more likely to be talented in that profession because of 312 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 3: certain attributes or do you acclimate to them. You could 313 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 3: make the argument that you're more exposed to certain smells 314 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 3: than the average person, such that you need to know 315 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 3: that and your brain needs to learn that. I think 316 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: that's a definite possibility. I also got to say thank 317 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 3: you to everybody working in nursing. Thank you to everybody 318 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: working in medical fields, because nurses are tremendously underpaid for 319 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: all the work they have. 320 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: To do, absolutely absolutely. 321 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 6: Well. 322 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 2: So I guess easy. That's awesome to know. Glad you 323 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: can sense all of those things, and also sorry that 324 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: you have to have that power, I guess, but also congratulations. 325 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 2: We're going to switch gears completely and jump to a 326 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: message from Flea, who we've heard from on this show before. 327 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: He had an interesting concept. I just want to see 328 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: what we all think about it. Here we go. 329 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 5: Hey, guys, this please from the Northwest. Against just have 330 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 5: a thought. Okay, you guys are talking about that the 331 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 5: UFO siding thing in Canada or whatever, that could be a. 332 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 8: Projection on some clouds and stuff. 333 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 5: And it made me think like if there was a 334 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 5: big like fathershit or another like alien civilization, right and 335 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 5: they were looking at us from you know, Alpha Centauri 336 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 5: or whatever, what is it looking at Like, Oh, man, 337 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 5: check out that planet with all these crazy ass dinosaurs 338 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 5: on it, because they're so far away and they're like 339 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 5: looking back in time and then they dapt to get 340 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 5: here and they're like, oh, there's like a bunch of 341 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 5: treash are on this planet and a bunch of lights. 342 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 5: Now like what is this? And then they're like shooting 343 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 5: even further and they're like, Yo, what are all these lights? 344 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 5: These things moving around? These little tiny humans that are 345 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 5: like destroying everything. We need to look into this. 346 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 8: Oh snap, they have big bombs that explodes up and 347 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 8: they're violent. Okay, we need to bound out of here. 348 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 8: Just the funny about if you're like looking at a 349 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 8: planet from super far away, would you technically be looking 350 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 8: back in time and you'd like think you're gonna arrive 351 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 8: to some dinosaurs and you don't even know that there's 352 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 8: like a big ass cataclysm in between the time that 353 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 8: you are getting to that planet. 354 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: Anyways, love what you guys do, Oefe Hofly, What a 355 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: great idea, what a great concept. I love this guys, 356 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: same jeez. Yeah, we've been talking about a lot, especially 357 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: with the James Webspace telescope out there. Humanity has been 358 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: talking a lot just about how how deep into time 359 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 2: we can see with that thing, because so much has 360 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 2: occurred between when we are able to observe light from 361 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 2: let's say even just the center of our galaxy and 362 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 2: then what it actually looks like right now in real time, 363 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: and the discrepancy between the real time deep space stuff 364 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 2: and what we can see. There's a lot to be 365 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: made of. And it's why something like that interstellar object 366 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: is so interesting, I think, to us, because what if 367 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: there is a probe being sent out to go check out? Okay, 368 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 2: what does it actually look like now? And if you 369 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 2: actually had a device getting to a star system, a 370 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: solar system, galaxy or whatever, you could have more real 371 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: time at least information. It just depends on how long 372 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 2: it takes that signal to get back. Which how could 373 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: a signal from a probe in a star system that's, 374 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: you know, thousands of light years away from your star system? 375 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 2: How could you get information back faster than light unless 376 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: there is something, some kind of quantum system of communication 377 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: that we just aren't aware of yet. 378 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Flee. I love this one because it is 379 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: something we've talked about and to a degree, you've been 380 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 3: obsessed about for some time. This is such a dumb 381 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 3: pop culture reference. I'm usually not great at these, but 382 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 3: my obsession with this began due to a film. I'm 383 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 3: very interested to see if anyone else remembers called Explorers 384 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: a nineteen eighty five science meets fantasy film for kids, 385 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: where these three kids, okay, explorers. 386 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 4: Is this a Disney thing? 387 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 3: I don't think it's Disney. Let me pull it up. 388 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 3: It's okay. So it's like these three kids who build 389 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: a bootleg spaceship to meet aliens because the aliens reached 390 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 3: out to them. Yeah, ethan hawk as well, I think 391 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 3: in their eighty five nineteen eighty fiveishness. Okay, they have. 392 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 4: A navigator adjacent kind of air. 393 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good call. So part of the reason this 394 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,479 Speaker 3: launched an obsession with space and time on my end 395 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 3: and hopefully for other people as well, is because spoiler 396 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 3: for a film from nineteen eighty five three to one spoiler. 397 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: When they do meet the aliens who helped give them 398 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 3: this technology, what they find is that the aliens are 399 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 3: totally curious about Earth because they don't know modern civilization. Instead, 400 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 3: in this story, they're getting old movies that have been 401 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: transmitted and made it across space. So to them, you know, 402 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 3: the silver screen era is very much like peak current 403 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 3: civilization because the aliens they find are kids who don't 404 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: understand this deep question about space and time, and I 405 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: think it must have motivated some physicists as well, because 406 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: there's some really good research coming out now flee these 407 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 3: propositions that perhaps we've had civilization has entirely misinterpreted the 408 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 3: role of space and time. So this goes in a 409 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 3: million directions. But oh man, if anybody saw explorers, please 410 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: write to us. 411 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 4: I'm not familiar with this at all. Directed by Joe 412 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: Dante of Gremlin's fame right after. 413 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 3: That, Oh, that explains a lot and. 414 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 4: Also apparently very clearly a response to the success of ET. 415 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was in that. It was in that 416 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 3: era for sure, and I don't want to derail us there, Matt, 417 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 3: but I think it's I think it's a cool touchstone 418 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 3: in fiction for this idea of observing Earth from such 419 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 3: an unimaginable distance. 420 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it goes back to last week's Listener Mail 421 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 2: episode where Smells like Low Tide was talking about that 422 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: new uh, the new study that was looking at the 423 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 2: sky before satellites were invented, or at least human satellites 424 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: were invented, and this concept that maybe this planet has 425 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: been observed for a long time, because if you did 426 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: find a planet, let's say that had a bunch of 427 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 2: cool ass dinosaurs. I think that way. I can't. I 428 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: think that's how you put it. Flee roaming around like 429 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 2: you imagine you might visit Earth way earlier, or attempt 430 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: to get here a long, long time ago, because it 431 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: would be a viable planet that had life on it 432 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: of all different hines. Right, you chow up, hang out 433 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 2: for a while, and maybe observe, leave a couple of 434 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: things behind, and then watch as it progresses, and once 435 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: whatever creature gets stuff into the orbit, maybe take off 436 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: or at least change your position. It's making me think 437 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 2: about a lot of that. I think it's all going 438 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: back to this interstellar thing. Fascinating, fascinating. All right, well, 439 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 2: thank you so much, Flee. We got one more message 440 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: here from Calamity Chris, and then we will move on. 441 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 2: Calamity Chris has this to say already. 442 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 6: Matt Noel Ben and super producer Dylan the Rubig of 443 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 6: Dr King Sagan, they call me Calamity Chris. I am me. 444 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 6: I am somewhere that makes this telephonic response to stuff 445 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 6: they don't want you to know. Listener Mail edition Thursday 446 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 6: July seventeenth, twenty twenty five of The Stupid and Perfect 447 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 6: Calendar About forty two minutes into the episode, during the 448 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 6: right to food discussion, Ben engines almost getting arrested for 449 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 6: giving away bread while working at a bakery. Good for you, Ben, 450 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 6: food waste is tragic, senful. Even as y'all mentioned, grocery stores, restaurants, 451 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 6: food manufacturing facilities put locks on their dumpsters so people 452 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 6: can't retrieve the waste waste, possibly eat it, get sick, 453 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 6: maybe bring a lawsuit against them. I don't doubt that 454 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 6: this is true. However, I think it's even more insidious. 455 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 6: I think they're looking after their bottom line god money. 456 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 6: A lot of places throw away perfectly good food, not 457 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 6: just expired stuff. I know for my numerous jobs and restaurants, 458 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 6: but particularly my job is managing pizza places. Lots of good, clean, 459 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 6: edible food, fresh food would be thrown away to keep 460 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 6: the price of the pizzas high. My boss used to 461 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 6: tell me, if you don't throw away the old food, 462 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 6: don't throw the old food away and lock it up 463 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 6: after pizza buffet, then all the gutter punks are just 464 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 6: gonna come by and I'm sure for free pizza, And 465 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 6: then how am I supposed to make a living? That 466 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 6: was his line. Yeah, both excuse the language there. I 467 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 6: find this line of thinking sickening. It's very unclean. I 468 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 6: completely ignored what he said. After every single buffet, I 469 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 6: would collect everything that was left and bring it out 470 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 6: to the folks thing and outside around the pizza place 471 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 6: or underneath the underpass that was near us, and give 472 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 6: it to the people there because they're hungry. Dude, they're hungry. 473 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 6: My boss ever found out, he probably would have fired me, 474 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 6: but at least I would have gone down fighting a 475 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 6: good fight. So all right, my brothers, that's all for now, 476 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 6: peace and much love. Y'all can use anything I said 477 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 6: in any way, shape or form on air. You can 478 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 6: paraphrase it, you can use name Calamity Chris, whatever you 479 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 6: want to do. Much love, audience. 480 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: Pizza parties, oh for sure, pizza parties. How cool is that? 481 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: Just the idea that we there was a good guy 482 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: out there giving pizza away and nobody had to know 483 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: about it, just making it happen. Thank you, Calamity Chris. 484 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: Good, Thank you Calamity Chris. As well, it's no secret 485 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: that I all of us feel very strongly about the 486 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 3: rights of food and honestly, without trying to sound too 487 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 3: biased and not to speak for everybody, but I think 488 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 3: it's fair to say that all of us are probably 489 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: on the same page with you regarding the motivations involved. 490 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, all right, well that's it. Thank you everybody 491 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: who called in. There's so many of you, but specifically 492 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: Easy e, Calamity, Chris and Flee. Thanks for calling in. 493 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more messages from you. 494 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 3: Dylan for going cinematic. 495 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 9: Where do you meet someone from outer space? Perhaps in 496 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 9: the north Woods? Joe Simonson of Eagle River, Wisconsin, spends 497 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 9: a yarn about an April morning in nineteen sixty one, 498 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 9: a morning when he says he came face to face 499 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 9: with another world. 500 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 3: And eight pancakes. What are we talking about. Let's go 501 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 3: straight to Steve from Ohio to learn more. Steve, you said, 502 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 3: hello stuff they don't want you to know, Crue. I've 503 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 3: encountered a story I'd never heard before. In nineteen sixty one, Aliens, 504 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 3: the guy from outer space gave a guy three pancakes 505 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 3: in exchange for a jug of water. I'm not creative 506 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 3: enough to come up with that kind of story. I 507 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 3: don't know. Steve from Ohio, I've got on board. You 508 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 3: may be selling yourself short anyway, Steve, you continue, There 509 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 3: are even photographs of the pancakes. I'd love to hear 510 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 3: your take on this story. Keep peering into the darkness, 511 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: Steve from Ohio. And we love these types of emails. 512 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 3: Straight to the point. What I just played there, guys, 513 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: was an excerpt from a Wisconsin report on what is 514 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: called the nineteen sixty one Eagle River incident. Have any 515 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 3: of us heard about this before? Steve reached out, Not once, Nope, 516 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 3: the same same, This is okay. So the idea is 517 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 3: that extra terrestrials, perhaps informed by dinosaurs or by the 518 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five Banger explorers had which had occurred. Yet 519 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,479 Speaker 3: never bind. We'll keep it. Aliens game to Wisconsin in 520 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty one, and they ran into Wisconsin native Joe 521 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 3: Simon ten. It's really outlandish. So we'll give us the 522 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 3: street poop and then we'll talk about it real quick. 523 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 3: So it's eleven am local time. It's April eighteenth, right, 524 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty one. Joe is having, you know, a leisurely 525 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: brunch and then he hears a commotion outside. I want 526 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: to play the whole clip from this report because I 527 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 3: love it and I think we all love that background 528 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,959 Speaker 3: music too. So per his account, he thinks, you know, 529 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 3: what's all this going on out here? And so he 530 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: gets up and he says he witnesses a flying saucer, 531 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 3: a physical object from beyond the stars, and it's brighter 532 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 3: than chrome. It's hovering above his house. It eventually lands 533 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: in his backyard and he walks up because he wants 534 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 3: to learn more. You guys got to hear the way 535 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 3: that he describes it, because he seems very unperturbed. It 536 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: seems like a classic Wisconsin reaction or Midwest kind of 537 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 3: react to this stuff. It's like, well, I won't see 538 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 3: what's going on. And when he reaches the craft, which 539 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: is landed, he sees three mute aliens, which he describes 540 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: as Italian looking, oh right, and he but he doesn't 541 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 3: do it as a diss what was the door it? 542 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 4: Again from earlier, spread said Toura, it's very cool. 543 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 3: He thinks they're cool, and their emotion he's like you 544 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: can hear him report in his own words again, he 545 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 3: says they look like they were eating something. So I 546 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 3: figured i'd start talking to him, and I made a 547 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 3: motion with my hands like can I eat as well, 548 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: and they gave him a large container, and through apparently 549 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 3: some system of improvised gestures, Joe decided that these aliens 550 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 3: wanted water. So he goes and he fills up the jug, 551 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 3: and at this point is starting to sound like some 552 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 3: kind of weird parable or folk tale. He comes back 553 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 3: with the filled jug and he says he sees one 554 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 3: of the aliens is cooking pancakes, is making pancakes on 555 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 3: some something that's like a flat riddle kind of thing, 556 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 3: something without an open flame. And again, per his story, 557 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: the creatures give Joe I think, three of the pancakes 558 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 3: and then they salute him and the craft you know, 559 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 3: elevates and they embark out due south into the sky, 560 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 3: into orbit, into space beyond with their jug of water. 561 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 3: This story was investigated by the US Air Force, of 562 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 3: course it was. You can look as if you go 563 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 3: to website, like if you just go to your browser 564 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 3: of choice and check outnineteen sixty one Eagle River incident, 565 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 3: you can actually see a photo of Joe holding one 566 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 3: of these alleged alien pancakes. 567 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet space pancakes are really fluffy. 568 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: It does not look fluffy at all. That dry and 569 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 2: it looks. 570 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 3: Kind of like a dried lotus roots. What are those 571 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 3: people who has that fear of holes? Don't look at 572 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 3: that picture? 573 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: How how do you even decide that that's a pancake 574 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 2: or that it's edible in any way? And guys, would 575 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: you put it in your mouth? 576 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 4: If for that's how you decide? That's the only way. 577 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 3: What's that old joke you run into a pile of 578 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 3: round and then you see someone turn around and go, oh, 579 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 3: it's okay, guys, it's chocolate. It just raises a lot 580 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 3: of pleasures. 581 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 4: Roll the dice, buddy, What do you have to lose 582 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 4: besides the plot of every negative alien movie that's ever 583 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 4: come out? 584 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 3: What is life if Doctor V lived? 585 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: Yes, well, what's let's put ourselves in the position of 586 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 2: those aliens? 587 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 3: Right the Italians? 588 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: Yes, we really really really need some water because we're 589 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 2: making some gabbahool on our spaceship. 590 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 4: Is water a key ingredient and making up? 591 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. We gotta we gotta 592 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 2: cook some pasta and we need some water? 593 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 4: Right? 594 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 5: No? 595 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 2: But really, like, okay, let's say it's it's absolutely true 596 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 2: and real. There are three aliens from some other place 597 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 2: on us on some kind of ship and they need water. 598 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: Do you go to somebody on the planet and say, hey, 599 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: you don't say anything, you telepathically let them know you 600 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: need water, or do you just go find some water? 601 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly Why would you violate, maybe violate the prime 602 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 3: directive by engaging, you know, shout out to our fellow 603 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 3: star trek fans. Yeah. 604 00:36:59,480 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 4: Uh. 605 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 3: There there are a lot of questions about this story, 606 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 3: put diplomatically Steve from Ohio. But I don't know about you, guys. 607 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by it, primarily because of the video clip 608 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 3: where we can see Joe himself describing it. He did 609 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,439 Speaker 3: try one of the pancakes of the three they gave him, 610 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 3: and his review wasn't super great. These were not Michelin' 611 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 3: bib pancakes. These tasted like cardboard. He gave the other 612 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 3: two cakes to a ufologist from Vilas County, and we 613 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 3: don't know what happened to the other two pancakes. 614 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 4: Did they have any space syrup? 615 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 3: Right? You know what I mean? Just serving up dry 616 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 3: pancakes not a good look. 617 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 4: No, not the mark of an advanced civilization. 618 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 3: Let's just I don't think they had different priorities and 619 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 3: also did they pick Joe on purpose or were they 620 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 3: just were they just going with the flow like country Mac. 621 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 2: Well, so i'm looking at well, let's take a minute 622 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 2: to look at Eagle River on the map here. Yep, 623 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 2: if you're looking at Wisconsin, it's kind of in north 624 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: central Wisconsin, surrounded by the Great Lakes. There's plenty of 625 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 2: water to go around pretty close to this area. It's 626 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 2: actually pretty far. 627 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 3: But if you're in a spaceship, come on, well, also 628 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 3: think of it this way. What if you're just trying 629 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 3: to surreptitiously stop somewhere and you don't know the neighborhood, 630 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 3: and then this guy comes up and he's just making 631 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 3: weird hand signs at you, and you want to be cool. 632 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 3: You don't want this to be a horrible situation. So 633 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 3: you're like, I don't know, give him give him something, 634 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 3: you know, like the way we did on these other planets. 635 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 3: Just give him an object of affection. They're like, oh, okay, 636 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 3: give him the jug, jug, the empty jug. Just give 637 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 3: him the jug. I don't know, we don't know. What 638 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 3: if he's dangerous, they give him the jug and they're like, 639 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 3: that was great, Okay, let's chill out that got real tense, 640 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden low and behold this 641 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 3: crazy monkey primate thing is barreling back at you and 642 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 3: it's got the jug and now let's put some in there. 643 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 3: And you're like, oh great, now what now I'm in 644 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 3: a situationship. 645 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 4: With some poopoo or just stuff. What do we got? 646 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 4: It's like, all I'm saying is I wouldn't be thrown 647 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 4: around weird hand signals in my neighborhood. 648 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 3: That's almost it's it's a weird thing to do. It's 649 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's kind of like how I figured 650 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: out it hurts people's feelings in traffic more if you 651 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 3: give them a thumbs down instead of the finger. 652 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 4: Oh that's a really good move, Ben that you're just 653 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 4: I'm disappointed in you. 654 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not angry. I'm not surprised. And you can 655 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 3: do better. Yeah, I don't know. 656 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 4: We all can. 657 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 3: We all can. And that's maybe what what Joe is thinking. 658 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 3: But in his story, per his account, he's being a 659 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 3: helpful person and he I don't know. I like this 660 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 3: alternate made up theory about the aliens freaking out meeting 661 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 3: a local and then just because I've been in. I've 662 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 3: been in situations. I don't know if you guys have. 663 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 3: I've been plenty of awkward social situations across cultures. 664 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 4: I haven't heard you get into situations, man, Yeah, yeah. 665 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 3: I mean not always bad ones, but situations for sure. 666 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 3: But the thing where you know, you're like Homer Simpson 667 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 3: walking backwards into the bushes. So maybe the aliens didn't 668 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 3: know what to do except salute the guy in skidaddle 669 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 3: before he came back with something else, you know, if 670 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 3: the story ever happened. The interesting thing here is that 671 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 3: if you look at the USAF investigation in their files, 672 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:50,720 Speaker 3: this incident is listed as unexplained, which could mean any 673 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 3: number of things. 674 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 2: I just keep looking at the pancakes. 675 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 4: They don't look great. 676 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 3: They look burned or Chris be like the kind of 677 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 3: thing you might see in an muse boosh or a 678 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 3: dessert at a fancy restaurant. 679 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 4: They just like, we have so much here, you say, 680 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 4: amuse boosh. 681 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 2: In this context, that's. 682 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 3: Like stick a little cracker in the thing so you 683 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 3: can charge more for the sorbet. 684 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 4: We have them scorched earth pancakes, yes, scorched earth pancakes. 685 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 2: Poifect have you guys ever had like high protein pancakes before? 686 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 3: Not great, A little heavy I have, I'm not I'm 687 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 3: not a fan of the pan and the cake in general. 688 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 4: A crape, how do you feel about a crap? 689 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 3: Crapes are lighter, Yeah, for sure, you can put more 690 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 3: stuff with them. 691 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 2: I'm imagining, guys, if you are in a spaceship. We've 692 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 2: seen it depicted many many times over, there's some kind 693 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 2: of goofy liquid that has all the protein and nutrients 694 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 2: that you need for on a you know, a long 695 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 2: space trip or something. I can imagine that if you 696 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 2: were in one of those situations, you might have a 697 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 2: little griddle of some sort that, you know, a smokeless fire, airless, 698 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 2: and you could put your glube on it and make something. 699 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 4: Pancake batter and space that's gonna gum up the instruments. 700 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 4: That's gonna be a nightmare situation. 701 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 3: At that place too. We'd have to ask why there 702 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 3: would not be food that doesn't require that extra step 703 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 3: of eating. 704 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 4: We have actually ice cream pancakes. 705 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 3: The only explanation would be perhaps they need the heat 706 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 3: to make a chemical change of some sort for nutrition. 707 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 2: What if it's a heating something up on the radiator 708 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 2: situation radiator. Of course this stuff is horrible, but if 709 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 2: we put it on here, it's okay. It tastes a 710 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 2: little bit like cardboard, but it's okay. 711 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 4: Now that's prison rules, Matt. That's not spaceship rules, Charlie. 712 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 3: That's Charlie Day's stuff, which I have absolutely practiced and support. 713 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,280 Speaker 3: Make a little toilet wine while you're at it, Why 714 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 3: not only the finest? I would love to read Michelin 715 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 3: reviews of that kind of stuff. I got back into 716 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,919 Speaker 3: reading about Michelin. It's just so weird that a tire 717 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 3: company runs the fancy. 718 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 4: It's just another example of being first to market with 719 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 4: a thing. 720 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 3: You know. I guess so, I guess so? Uh Off air, 721 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you guys about a really great 722 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 3: idea I had. In fact, I think it worked so 723 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 3: much that we're not going to talk about it on air. 724 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 4: Dude, it's serious. I wouldn't even tell us about it. 725 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 4: We got notoriously big mouths. No, I'm kidding. Please please 726 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 4: do tell. I gotta know, I gotta don't. 727 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 3: I'll find yourself bad. So we do know. One other 728 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 3: interesting point here, is Steve from Ohio, is that we know. 729 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 3: Shortly after this incident, there were a couple more sightings 730 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 3: alleged sightings that occurred in the general area. You can 731 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 3: learn more by checking out a book by the author J. 732 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 3: Wrath R. A. T. H. Called The w Files True 733 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 3: Reports What Explaining Phenomena in Wisconsin. We have not read 734 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 3: the book. 735 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 2: Sounds awesome? 736 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,720 Speaker 3: Does sound awesome? I like it? Called it w Files. 737 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 4: Oh, and just I think this is appropriate for this 738 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 4: and the last story. I just wanted to mention a 739 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 4: Netflix series that maybe has flown under the radar for 740 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,479 Speaker 4: some folks. It is an Argentinian alien invasion show based 741 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 4: on a graphic novel called The Eternat and it's really 742 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 4: really good and it is about like non benevolent alien invaders, 743 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 4: and it sort of has like a pandemic aspect to 744 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 4: it as well. And I'm really really enjoying it. 745 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 3: What's the name again. 746 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 4: The Eternat E T E R N A U T. 747 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 4: And there's a whole season on Netflix and it did 748 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 4: get renewed for a second and it's it's really cool 749 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 4: and it is based on a graphic novel. 750 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 2: Guys, I founded an Italian restaurant in the center of 751 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,280 Speaker 2: Eagle River called borde Lotti's Sinson and it is fine 752 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 2: Italian dining and it's pretty expensive. What if what if 753 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 2: you guys it was connected to Bordellotti's. 754 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 4: It's in the middle of a river. 755 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 2: It's Eagle River, the place where the sky got them 756 00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 2: the people. 757 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 4: Referring to the actual Eagle River. And it's like on 758 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 4: a little island or something like like what is it 759 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,840 Speaker 4: the menu? You know they have that like little weird 760 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 4: Take the boat. That movie is good. 761 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 3: I liked it. We also know you can always tell 762 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 3: what we get out of food. Take folks that we 763 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 3: are approaching lunchtime as a crew. This happens on pretty 764 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. 765 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,839 Speaker 4: About you, but pretty much every show I did, true 766 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 4: or We've got a bit of a marathon sessh today, 767 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,240 Speaker 4: So I'm excited. 768 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah we uh so we're going to with 769 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,479 Speaker 3: great thanks to you, Steve from Ohio or the case. 770 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 3: I want to keep looking into this. 771 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 6: Uh. 772 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 3: I will say that a great a great way to 773 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,240 Speaker 3: learn more about these kinds of reports is to delve 774 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 3: into psychology. When you can look at the work of 775 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 3: our colleague Toby Ball, who has some excellent deep dives 776 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 3: on these phenomena these sightings, and then also look at 777 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 3: the folkloric aspect that I teased earlier, because a lot 778 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 3: of stories about UFO and count are beat for beat, 779 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 3: including the exchange of food and drink. They're beat for 780 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 3: beat stories from older ages of fairies and changelings. 781 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 4: Or Rudebega for rudebega if you're nasty, mm yeah. 782 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 3: Badger for badger, put it in the bag. We are 783 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,359 Speaker 3: going to call it an evening for now. We want 784 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 3: to thank everybody who wrote in with recommendations of sleeper 785 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 3: hit fast food places that we can't quite get to today. 786 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 3: Thank you for everybody who wrote in answering some questions 787 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 3: about MRIs. That was absolutely amazing and we appreciate it. 788 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 3: We also have so many more wonders to show you 789 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,880 Speaker 3: and to share with you, so please tune in in 790 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 3: the coming weeks. We are going to be on adventures. 791 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,080 Speaker 3: We are going to talk about the science or conspiracy 792 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 3: of what makes people cool, and yes, we'll have an 793 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 3: update on the continuing Epstein scandal. So big, big thanks 794 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 3: to Steve from Ohio, Easy e Glamity, Chris Flee, and 795 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 3: of course k if you want to follow in their footsteps, please, 796 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 3: please do. We can't wait to hear from you. You 797 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,880 Speaker 3: can find us online, you can call us on the phone. 798 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 3: You can always give us an email. 799 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,319 Speaker 4: That's right. You can hit us up at the handle 800 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 4: Conspiracy Stuff where we exist on Facebook with our Facebook 801 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 4: group Here's where it gets crazy, on acxfka, Twitter, and 802 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 4: on YouTube where we have video content for YouTube deep 803 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 4: dive right on into on Instagram and TikTok. 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