WEBVTT - Conversation About Lil Nas X 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.120 You said that little Nozacks is a puppet of white supremacy, 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.160 not even a puppet of LGBT advocate because I don't think. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.559 I don't think I'm gonna tell you a secret. This 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:14.720 is a little bit of insight ball. The LGBT advocacy 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.040 and it of itself was a puppet of white liberal 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:24.000 supremacy and totalitarianism. Now now brown Cow, Now now Brown Cow, 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.400 Unique New York, Unique New York. That's definitely gonna peep. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.360 The best oratory takes Rhyinberger and that's funny. No sailors, 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:39.000 g low glasses up here, my boy co host partner 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.160 who I can't get to come on Instagram live enough, Peter. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:47.400 What you're drinking? Oh man? This is there's some street 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.000 corner ship right here. I'll tell you that much. This 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:55.280 is the Mississippi Mud Black and Tan. It's um, I 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.200 dig it, but you know it's not anything to brag 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:02.120 about it. It's a Black and Tanna. It's a it's beer. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:06.800 It's like pills, Porter and Pilser exactly right there. Porter 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:12.280 and Pilser is the Spirits beers. Okay, it's a beer. Yeah, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.720 that looked like a like like a real type of 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:20.040 MA liquor. It's supposed to kind of have that country 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:24.680 kind of moon presentation and stuff like that. It's uh, 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.720 it's got a cartoon alligator on the label. So what 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:37.080 else do you want? Hey, guys rail So she back 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.200 and of course king the engineers back. We got him 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:46.080 for another week. This is crazy. We gotta pack ins 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:50.040 and next year now because I ain't no telling where 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.000 he gonna be gone. Yeah, you're right about that. Yeah, man, 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.200 So this is what happened this whole week. Crazy, Okay, yeah, 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.800 because I didn't know about it because I was expressed 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.320 it to you before. But so somebody asked me about him. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.640 It was like, yo, you know, do you think little 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:10.880 nos X is? It's like bad for kids? And I 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:15.000 didn't really answer the question. I was like, like, how 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:16.680 do you even answer? Was bad for I don't have 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:23.280 no ship. Life is bad for them, little bas everything's 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.080 covered out. So he asked me that I think he 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.320 was like a part of the agenda for the l 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.720 g B t Q, and so I didn't retweet him. 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:37.200 I just tweeted out I said I don't think little 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.000 nas I said, Little nos X isn't a puppet for 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.880 the l g B t Q, Little nos X is 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.320 a puppet for white supremacy. And then I started to 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.480 elaborate on Twitter, like, yeah, his artist just corny as fun. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.720 It's all of these pop ideas rehatched in black face, 0:02:55.240 --> 0:03:00.280 gay black face, so people, you know, it was reading 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.880 and some people agreed, and then they got a hold 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.600 to it, and then Little Nosak saw it, so he 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.600 retweeted it. He retweeted it with a concept that he 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.640 calls ratio, which is saying his power and internet is 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.919 more power, so he's gonna get more retweets and likes 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.520 on what he says. That's kind of roughly what the 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:21.000 concept is on the internet. So he he said that 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.280 he used it a part of his marketing. He used 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.320 my tweet as a part of his market This is 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:30.919 day seven or something and now I'm puppet for white supremacy. 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.080 And as his fans saw it, they started filling up 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:38.280 my mentions with a bunch of Oh, you're homophoon, you're 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.320 homophoonte yo. It's it's crazy to me that straight men 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.120 feel me still hating on the young black man getting money, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.920 and I'm just letting them go off and they just 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.920 go crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. Meanwhile, the original tweet is 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.240 picking up steam. So dude was cussing. I said, man, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.240 you can ask me what I mean versus just mislabeling me, 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.640 Like I could just mislabel anybody. I could just call 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.280 you Ray because you're white. He's like, why I haven't 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.240 did anything racist. I said, well, I haven't did anything 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.880 on my phone. Why are you going after little NASAs? 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.160 You know, you boosty t I And I thought to myself, like, 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.080 so we're just black and wrapped. So we're the same person, 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:25.880 like your old ass black ass, you know, conservative, liberal democratic, 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.400 old school to go to the church ass, you know, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.520 all that kind of ship. So and I see what 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.040 was going on with the baby, even though he didn't 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.760 have nothing to do with it specifically. I saw what 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:38.680 was going on with Booty, and I saw what was 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.040 going on with Tia, but I really didn't give it 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:45.440 creating because their stance is not necessarily my stance. Um. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.800 As far as Little NASAs like, I tweeted him, I 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.160 tweeted him back. When I see him retweeted, I said, hey, 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:53.520 I said, you corny, little bro, and I pray you 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.279 grow out of it. That's a good friend. I wish 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.880 and he just felt so like I could tell it 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:05.920 bothered him. And the reality is this little nas action 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.880 is a talented gift to young man. He's tough. I 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.080 mean he old Town wrote is a fantastic song. The 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.039 other songs aren't as good, but it's tough to still 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:16.760 make a song as good as that. But they are 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.400 pretty decently composed records. The ideas are executed well, the 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.480 visuals are wrote in these very good stories, and he 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:29.320 uses his brand well. But again when I'm talking about 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.600 him being a puppet of white supremacy, a puppet as 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.279 an entertainment piece, got it. And so I was comparing 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.760 him to Bert Williams right, who is Burt Williams is 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.119 one of the biggest black face actors and he's a brother, 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.880 and he was a super dope actor, super successful for me, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.280 but he could never get a ton of opportunities and 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:54.400 other films. And it was people I would imagine at 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.720 that time that felt like Bert Williams right was a 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.440 good actor, and and other people defending him like when 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:05.279 he's a great actor, and I don't think they figured 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.280 it out, just like the people coming to me that 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:11.160 didn't figure it out. And Charlotte Magne told me some 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.360 real ship. We popped it up. We was popping it 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.760 after that, just chopping it up about it. And he said, 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.599 g you just didn't read the room. And he said 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.080 everybody was gonna compare you to everybody else what they 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.160 were saying. And I said, man, that's a great point. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.040 I was like this still, crip, I don't care. And 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.200 that's what matters. What was little nos x crip ratio. 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:39.760 What the irony is? The irony is he didn't realize 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:44.920 most great black men don't get a ton of support, right, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.240 That's true, and it goes the same I think for 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:53.400 black women. Yeah, yeah, well you know this ain't you're 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:54.880 you're trying to talk all the time, but just not 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.039 black folks in general. But you know, specifically, the black 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.640 man means the black woman. I mean, I guess I would, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:04.440 but that's what it really means. It don't mean just 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.400 you know, black black. Okay. So, so you're not subscribed 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.240 or you're not completely subscribing to the Prime Minister of 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:18.320 Canada's humankind reference because mankind is too gender specific based 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.680 off of humankind. So people kind I'm sorry, people kind 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:26.120 of you man right, I don't know I'll get it 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.080 to all that silly ship that the wifolks got going 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:33.720 on leave correct in honest, like you said that little 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.760 Nozax is a puppet of white supremacy, not even a 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.720 puppet of LGBT advocate because I don't think I don't 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:41.880 think I'm gonna tell you a secret. This is a 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:46.880 little bit of insight as well. The LGBT advocacy in 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.760 it of itself was a puppet of white liberal supremacy 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:54.960 and totalitarianism. And that's a fact. And I have some 0:07:55.160 --> 0:08:00.800 serious questions, like like just Joe gay guy, or like 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:05.960 the most urgus, random individual trans person who works at 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:10.280 Macy's at the cash register, whatever the hell else does 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.200 that common person in society who could get through their 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:18.280 day without probably being bothered. Maybe they can, or maybe 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.800 they're trajector maybe their trajectory is so that they can 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:25.200 in the future, sometime in the near future, when political 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:32.200 advocacy groups thrust you into the quote unquote demilitarized zone 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.760 between North and South Korea, so to speak, in the 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.120 political spectrum, does that make your life easier or harder? 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:39.839 That's one of the real questions I want to know, 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.880 Like do do you as a gay person, as a lesbian, 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.520 as a as a transient person, as as as a 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.120 bisexual or whatever that whatever it is that you want 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.200 to be under that umbrella is your life made easier 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.800 by the fact that there are a lot of political 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.680 adversary machines with a lot of money behind them, thrusting 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.640 you into a very adversarial position just for you to 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.400 go through your daily life. That's a question that I 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.640 have about that entire thing, because I don't trust the 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.720 motives of it when the motives of it have obvious 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.959 political benefits and obvious monetary benefits tied to them. That's 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:17.839 actually brilliant. But the concept of white liberal supremacy is 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.840 an underrated concept that people don't want to speak up 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.320 because liberals don't want to speak about it because they 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:28.000 want to act like it's just conservative. Like, no, it's 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:34.160 left wing. Right wings are very decentralized, very different. But 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.720 all people in general, to a degree, I believe, are 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:43.000 decentralized for sure. So long story short, I was referring 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.240 his art like, so right, Bert Williams, Right, all he 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.640 was doing was dressing in black face, right in real time. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.480 Everybody didn't look at him as a cool. Right. See, 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.800 it's this false narrative that, oh, he's a coon, because again, 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.040 looking at yesterday with today's eyes is different. It was 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.960 people who respect acted him at that time. I mean, 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.040 he's a black man. So he's using charcoal or whatever 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.599 they used to darken the skin some more, to exaggerate 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.480 the features. He's a black man acting as a white 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.760 man acting as a black man. Well, that's the point, right, 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.040 So he has a it's the cherry lipstick to make 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.199 his lips look even more red because our lips are red, 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.360 and his swagger was over exaggerated to over exaggerate how 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.920 we act. Right. That don't take away from his talent. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.640 He was a talented actor. But again, at that time, 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.960 people didn't look at him as much as a cool 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.440 as we do today. We look back at that time 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.600 and be like, y'all, motherfucker's it's cool. Well, I think 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.839 that's the same thing for this little dude. The reality is, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.839 this little dude is over exaggerating the lifestyles of a 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:50.360 gay black man here right for their entertainment. It's not 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.079 really like we're not getting a true idea of what 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:54.880 it's like for him to be a young black man. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.800 In America, a young black gay man in America. Like, 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.880 I think he's trying to do it metaphorically, but I 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.640 think he can do a better job of telling his 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.199 story of his perspective of how it feels to be 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.680 a black gay man. Well, I mean, it's nothing wrong 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:15.920 with exactly. And that's the that's where yeah, that's where 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.920 it gets weird to me, right, because it's like it's like, um, 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.800 you're over exaggerating all of the concepts, right, All your 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:30.040 concepts are parody of themselves. Right. The music itself is 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.120 good to decent two good Old Town Road is great, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:39.480 fantastic fire, right, But you're doing the same thing Bert 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.120 Williams was doing. So even though today we look at it, 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.520 they think he's some kind of trailblazer, like in the future, 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.559 there's gonna be a bunch of minstrel shows. And I'm like, no, 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.520 people don't look back at this time, and they're gonna 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.600 be talking about him the way they talked about Burt 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.680 Williams as far as his art being corny, right, watching 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.920 the videos, because I watched them, right, I just showed 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:06.360 him to you again, right, is the ideas are all right, 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.280 the ideas are I have to watch because as a creator, 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.719 you always looking at everybody else creating. It's almost like 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.160 you you you keep an eye on everybody you're competing with. 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:18.599 You know what I mean to make great art, And 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.240 he's nothing less than a very sharp artist. He knows 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.959 what he's doing and he's really good at understanding the 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.400 trigger points of arousal, like as far as you know 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.360 how people what things go viral, he's he's a marketing 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:36.240 genius to a degree, has a genius marketing team. Either way, right, 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.920 I think it's him because, like I said, I think 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.600 it's a combination. I think it's a combination of both. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:48.640 But what it is is his ideas are just rewrap 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:54.440 pop ideas and black face A question for you, how 0:12:54.720 --> 0:13:02.760 about comparison looking retrospectively at like another and different character, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.360 different perception and everything, like how does black America perceive 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:12.520 fifty sixty years later, Sammy Davis Jr. Well, So, for 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.080 the most part, he celebrated to a degree, But there's 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:20.120 that corner of people that feel like some people thought 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.040 he shocked in jobs. It's not a big corner, it's 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.880 a small corner. But I don't think this is different. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.079 Is there room for a modern day camp to that 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:33.520 in this space similar to naas Puff, Puff is Sammy 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:43.199 David Jor elaborate that that was a hot take a 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.360 black and tan. So why do you why? Why? Why? 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.920 I mean, Puff is the cool guy. He's a cool guy, multifaceted, 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:55.520 multitalent branding genius. His brand is through the roof everything 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.199 he represents. Puff represents. Puff is modern day Sammy Davis Jr. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.000 As As a brand himself, he is like, just look 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.640 at how he carries himself. He's the cool guy. Cool. Yeah. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.920 I mean, but I think what separates Little Nosis and 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.319 why it's not Sammy Davis Jr. And is closer to 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:17.800 Burt Williams. Is Sammy Davis Jr. Still maintained class Sure, 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.960 So sure's people who are like, ah, he too cool 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.800 with the white folks. Are he way too But he 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:28.240 still exusted. He still was classy, like Puff is classy. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.760 And at that time in history, like there was an 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:35.360 assimilation movement kind of going on. It was like the 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:40.080 MLK Civil rights movement of the sixties was let us integrate, 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.440 let us be a part of the Communist Party of 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.560 Society or economy, etcetera, etcetera. Etcetera. And he was kind 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:50.480 of almost presenting an image of a generation into the future, 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.600 so speak, and in that regard when that of it 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.960 before Marluther King realized he was tripping by the end 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:59.680 of his life and he was changed his mind. Um, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.120 and people people always forget that. They always talk about 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.040 his I have a dream speech. But his views did 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.160 change towards the end of his life because integration was 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:09.840 never lose. That's a whole other thing. I don't want. 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.800 It's still not the solution, but because I think people 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:14.600 who want to live around each other ship and people 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.680 who don't just don't. But this is the thing, right, Um, 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.760 what makes him different than Sammy Davis Jr. He just 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:26.440 don't have class. I mean he's not totally classless, but 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.400 he's tongue in cheek all the way through. Sammy David Jr. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.560 Actually was like classy. Yeah, I mean we just looked 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.320 at him a little crazy because he was always hanging 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:38.240 with the white folks. But he was very much a 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.560 classy act and and and a and a you know, 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:45.400 a beacon of the future. Lettlensac is more Bert Williams 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.400 because of that, because everything is overexaggerated at a time. 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:54.560 She is one thing, just being at the moment. Elton 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.280 John is gay, but he's not fucking corny. Oh, I 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:05.280 would absolutely encourage you to go look at Elton John 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.000 in the nineteen eighties. I watched John and I watched 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:13.880 his outfits and everything. Okay, see, see it's a different 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.360 It's a difference between being loud, right Is that just 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.800 a preconception because he's white? Are you just racist against 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.800 little nonsax because he's black doing this versus if he's 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.000 white like Elton John doing this, it's okay because you 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:32.280 perceive all white people to be gay. No, okay, what 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:40.120 about like a Freddie Mercury for example, fucking fantastic Frank Ocean. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.280 I'm not going to do because it's not I won't 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.800 even entertain the concepts of me hating homosexual people are 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.160 being scared of. I'm not trying to go I'm just 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.840 saying it has nothing to do with let's try to 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.400 seek the best cop. Sure. Sure, I'm saying for his situation, 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.520 he is kind of the first one at this level. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:04.080 Oh yeah, and the way as far as as but 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.920 the thing is all his ship lacks. So that's what 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.800 we're not used to kind of like a musical route. 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.639 Paul I would say, to an extent, in a sense, 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.000 I thought he was a gay black weird Al Yankovic. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:23.400 That's fair because like his music is not really like weird. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:28.800 Our music wasn't digital, huh was original like Little Naza, 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.879 It's not all his ship is not ultra original, you know. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.120 I mean, like, you gotta remember when Little Nasa first 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.520 came in because he was selling us on the country Ship, 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:38.520 and we got mad because we had a brother that 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.240 did a dope song and we wanted them to exclude. 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.600 We fought for him. Initially, it was like, how y'all 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.280 going to exclude him out of the country ship. He 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.640 has a country song, You got a rapper, y'all want 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:49.879 to be included in this. So we wanted inclusion in that, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.159 so we all far from him. But what happened was 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.640 when he got in front of the world, he started 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.280 doing things that was tongue in cheek. Well, this first 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:03.960 song was, but it was good though it was it 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.600 was a song. It was because he wanted to make 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.439 a country hit and he that that young man went 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.520 in there and he made the best black country I 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:19.639 have ever heard in my entire life of three. I mean, 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.160 maybe it's four. And I like Daddy Lessons too. That's 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.200 a good country. So maybe so maybe like four songs, 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.520 maybe it's not much to choose from that. True, but 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:31.760 the point I'm saying is it must be talking about 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.960 l a country. Huh No, it's black countrymen, black country. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:39.960 It's like four songs Texas. But but the point I'm saying, 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.000 I don't want to get lost like y'all with so No, 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:44.960 it's not that I just think all this ship is 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.639 tongue in cheat. It's like like it's all the stretches, 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.600 all in exaggeration. The thing that make it decent is 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.160 rooted in his real life. But the thing is, if 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:59.240 you want to brand yourself as you know, because he's 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.480 going out his way to ran himself as this gay, 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:08.440 black you know artists. So when I'm tweeting him like or, 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.679 what I'm saying is asking for depth. See the thing 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.560 that made Elton John Sam Smith, and I hate that 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.440 they're all white, but its depth is depth to this 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:24.520 answer the question, Sure, what the fuck is Sam Smith? 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.960 I mean, Samuel Smith is a is a beer maker 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:31.919 that I enjoyed, But that's Samuel Adams. No, Samuel Smith. 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.440 Samuel Smith makes beer too, he makes better beer, and 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:39.200 sam Adams not no, no, no. Trust me. It made 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:46.000 me think of DAP is like Sammuel good motherfucking choice mother. 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:55.600 That ship is bad ship. But listen, So the funny 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.000 part is I'm saying he should just tongue in cheek. 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.479 It lacks so and it's so weird there for us 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.639 as black people to see somebody without because that's the 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:10.520 whole pitome of the black Even even Michael Jackson, who 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.119 was the king of pop, they say had soul, Prince 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.800 had soul. The problem with this little dude stuff is 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.359 there's no soul. That's what making corny. And the reason 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.040 I'm saying he's a puppet for white supremacy and he's 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:26.320 an entertainment piece like a puppet, fear me, and he's 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.679 up there doing it and he's not really telling anybody 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.720 the struggle of what it's like to be us and 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.320 everybody don't have to don't get me wrong. It's it's 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.000 you know, Jason Derulo makes pop music, you know. But 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.200 again the problem is, Jason Derulo doesn't do anything to 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.400 gain my attention, either I like his record or I don't. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:48.960 It's not a video where he's pushing forward. It's like 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.359 little Nozex went out of his way to make sure 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:56.640 I saw his video as a consumer. So my opinion 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.119 on his content, on his brand, like I was asked, 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.760 it's just what it is. It's again, it's like you 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.120 can't criticize a person as a homosexual without being one, 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.280 because it's like, oh, well, you only don't like him 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.920 because they're gay. Well it's not I don't like him. 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.640 I think it should is just decent. I'm not impressed. 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:15.720 I don't want to listen. It's nothing to do with 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:17.359 he gay, because I can listen to Stay with Me 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.000 a thousand times. I can listen to rocket Man a 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.800 thousand times. I can listen to fucking Being in the 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.280 Jetive thousand times. I can listen to the Old Town 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.600 Road a thousand times. But the ship he's putting out now, 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.960 it's just not as good as that. And that wasn't 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:36.960 you know what I mean? That lacks so so again 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:41.119 for me to challenge it creatively. Sure, some people just 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.040 don't agree. People just happy with what they get. I mean, 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:46.359 if you like in Sync, I'm not mad at you. 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.400 I just think all his ideas are in sync rewrapped 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:53.280 in the black gay package, without the without the brilliance 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:58.280 of Max Martin. An observation here on the parallel, just 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:02.760 taking a step back, I'm looking at things from you know, 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:04.880 a thousand feet so to speak, probably a lot higher 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:09.240 than that. Um No, I'm not high. That's what I 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:15.000 thought you were talking about. Unlike other individuals on the podcast, 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:19.680 right now, you are right game whatever. After this, I'm 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:22.920 a transition to King. I think he's thinking about that 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:27.840 shower scene. I'm thinking about these levels. That's that's our 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:33.440 consummate professional in the corner. Like the way with a video, 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:41.240 the way that you perceive this video is not dissimilar 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.120 to the way I saw a country when it first 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:44.879 came out, and looking at it as far as like 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:48.440 being a vehicle of white supremacy or a vehicle of 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:56.640 like at least a greater like white power driven left 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:01.480 wing political apparatus. It's, let's most kind of send a mole. 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:07.560 There's an obvious antagonism towards masculinity in the country. I 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:12.760 don't think that's particularly debatable at this point. Um sure, 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.360 for the sake of art, at least I believe so yeah, 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:21.840 so let's take a stab at the country music community, 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:26.040 which is in our way. Wow, how we do that? Well, 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:29.880 it's a lot of white straight men. Well, let's send 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:33.080 a black gay man in there and and poke a 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:36.560 hole in there and create rust and tarnish on the 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.119 side of that wall. What's another group that stands in 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.800 the way of this, Well, black straight man in the 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:47.600 hip hop community boast masculinity at the highest level. Let's 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:55.080 send this guy over there to go corrode that. I'm 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.520 not saying he's a plant. I don't know. I'm like 0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:58.760 I said, I'm not in the student of the guy. 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:00.280 I don't I don't know the guy's life. I don't 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.720 know what how much of his product is the root 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.840 of his own mind and how much of it is 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.480 just he's got enough talent to well, I see he's 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.200 writing the videos, so he's definitely writing the treatment to 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:16.840 the video, okay, which I believe genuinely he's making the 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:21.280 songs based around the video ideas. Sure, and he might 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:23.959 be definitely and and and maybe he independently is an 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.560 activist mine who sits back and looks at it and goes, well, 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:32.320