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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Official Jets Podcast. Eric Allen here is

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Speaker 1: always at One Jets Drive. I shouldn't say as always,

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Speaker 1: because I was in Florida last week at the annual

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Speaker 1: league meetings, and I am joined by my guy Lejay Dusabal,

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Speaker 1: who is pretty much permanently in Florida. Now, does how

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Speaker 1: are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm good Eace. He got a little bit of tan.

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Speaker 3: He was down in Orlando, you know, kicking it down

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Speaker 3: there with the owners, you know, getting those those much

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Speaker 3: needed interviews.

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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, man, let me tell you something. The weather

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Speaker 1: here is atrocious. Okay, So I was very fortunate to

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Speaker 1: go there and work for a few days.

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Speaker 2: I can't blame you.

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Speaker 3: I've heard up there in New York and Jersey it's

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Speaker 3: been literally raining cats and dogs, they said, for the

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Speaker 3: last few days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man. So this is our draft podcast. We're focusing

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Speaker 1: on the Jets in the twenty twenty four draft. With

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Speaker 1: that being said, there are a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: continue to happen this offseason that is going to impact

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Speaker 1: the New York Jets come April twenty fifth through April

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Speaker 1: twenty seventh in the motor City of Detroit. Your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on Joe Douglas making a trade with the Philadelphia Eagles

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Speaker 1: and acquiring Hassan Reddick.

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Speaker 3: Where do I Begina, I mean to get a guy

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Speaker 3: of the quality of Hassan Reddick this late into free agency,

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Speaker 3: and even though it was via trade, I mean home

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Speaker 3: run for Joe Douglas and his staff. Now there was

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Speaker 3: question marks about a potential Jadavion Clowney signing. There was

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Speaker 3: Shaq buried out there, and the Jets ended up missing

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Speaker 3: out on both of those guys, but it seemed like

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Speaker 3: the Jets were doing their due diligence and homework on

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Speaker 3: Hassan Redick and they felt like that was an option.

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Speaker 3: And again kudos to Jod for getting this done. With

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Speaker 3: Howie Roseman a GM for the Philadelphia Eagles, you lose

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Speaker 3: Bryce up who was your best edge rusher last year?

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Speaker 2: Have sacks led this team?

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Speaker 3: I think this was an under the radar, big need

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Speaker 3: for the Jets, Like if people weren't talking about this enough,

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Speaker 3: because when you look at the Jets, you always account

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Speaker 3: for them having a championship type defense, right ea. So

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Speaker 3: when you look at the roster you see Will McDonald

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Speaker 3: went in the first round last year, you think he

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Speaker 3: takes a big step.

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Speaker 2: In the second year.

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Speaker 3: You have Jermaine Johnson, who was a pro bowler last year,

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Speaker 3: you still have JFM, and you have Michael Clemens.

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Speaker 2: Right, So you look at the roster, you're like, all right,

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Speaker 2: this is a need.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know if it's a major need, but

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Speaker 3: it is a major need. When you look at Robert

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Speaker 3: Salah and how he wants this team to play, and

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Speaker 3: how he wants to have a number of pass rushers

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Speaker 3: just affecting the quarterback, and BOYD did they feel that need?

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Speaker 2: EA?

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Speaker 3: When you talk about Hassan Redick, besides him and Miles

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Speaker 3: Garrett are one of the two players in the NFL

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Speaker 3: in the last four years that have had double digit

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Speaker 3: sacks in four consecutive years. You talk about consistency, you

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Speaker 3: talk about being a closer and a finisher. You lost

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Speaker 3: one of your closer the finishers and Bryce uf and

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Speaker 3: boy did you answer the bell and getting another one

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Speaker 3: and one of the best in the league not just

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Speaker 3: closing and finishing, but getting the ball off the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: EA.

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Speaker 3: I mean I remember vividly going to Instagram and Twitter

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Speaker 2: I think I just finished the work. I had my

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Speaker 2: shirt office said rejoyce, detonation, Rejoyce. Joe d does it again.

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Speaker 3: It gets one of the best finishers this late into

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Speaker 3: free agency again, home run Robert Salah and Joe Douglass

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Speaker 1: So let's give Bryce Hoff a lot of credit. Let's

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Speaker 1: get this coaching staff a lot of credit in terms

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Speaker 1: of development. That's one thing that you always preach because

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Speaker 1: this guy went from a drafted free agent out of

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Speaker 1: Memphis to transforming his body to becoming an elite pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: With that being said, this is no knock on Bryce

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Speaker 1: Huff and he cashed in. And I know you happy

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Speaker 1: about that as a former player. For guys to take.

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Speaker 2: That run an undrafted guy, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes so, But have the Jets upgraded at the

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Speaker 1: position considering you bring in a guy like Reddick, who

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Speaker 1: you just said, fifteen and a half sacks the last

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Speaker 1: four seasons, that's fourth in the National Football League. Also,

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Speaker 1: fifteen forced fumbles over that time, thirteen strip sacks over

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Speaker 2: This is no slight to Bryce Off.

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Speaker 3: Like you stated before asking this question, Bryce Soff is

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Speaker 3: a hell of a player. You know my affinity for

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Speaker 3: Bryce Soff going back to the twenty one season before

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Speaker 3: people didn't even know who he was, just watching film

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Speaker 3: and knowing what he could be and what he's developed into.

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Speaker 3: This is an upgrade for the New York Jets. And

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Speaker 3: I say that because when you look at what Hassan

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Speaker 3: and then you have to preface that by saying Bryce

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Speaker 3: Soff hasn't had as many opportunities as Bryce Off as well,

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Speaker 3: but the consistency that Hassan Redick has been able to

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Speaker 3: do this knowing that teams know that he's the closer

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Speaker 3: and a lot of times he is getting chipped and

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Speaker 3: still being able to get to the quarterback and affect them.

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Speaker 3: And how well he has been able to play the

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Speaker 3: being able to slip blocks and get.

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Speaker 2: Tackles for loss.

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Speaker 3: This is this is an upgrade because you're getting a

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Speaker 3: guy that you know and you've seen on film for

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Speaker 3: four consecutive years be dominant. Right with Bryce Soff, It's

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Speaker 3: more of a projection of what he could be when

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Speaker 3: he gets starter reps. Now there's a two years age gap,

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Speaker 3: which isn't massive in the NFL, but this is an

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Speaker 3: upgrade for the Jets. You're getting a Pro Bowl slash

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Speaker 3: And I say to this too, Ea, Yes, Joe Douglas

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Speaker 3: is happy, Yes, Robert Salad is happy. But you know

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Speaker 3: who is the happiest Williams, right, because now it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be extremely hard to double team him playing and play out. Now,

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Speaker 3: if I'm teams, I'm still stopping Q because everybody knows

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Speaker 3: that interior pressure gets there faster than the outside pressure.

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Speaker 2: So I'm still gonna double them.

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Speaker 3: But the thing is, you have to think about if

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Speaker 3: you're gonna double him now with Jermaine Johnson on one

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Speaker 3: you got JFM rushing on the inside. Man, When Robert

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Speaker 3: Salli visioned his defense, this was he envisioned. This was

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Speaker 3: Hassan Reddick. When he had his first press conference with

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Speaker 3: the Jets, he says, people don't even know what's about

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: One of the fans tweeted the other day in my

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Speaker 1: notifications that was one of the most impressive introductory news

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Speaker 1: Hassan Riddick, he knocked it out of the park.

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Speaker 2: He did.

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Speaker 1: Not only is he an outstanding football player, man, he

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Speaker 1: is gonna be at all awesome culture fit and he

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Speaker 3: And not only that, I think people tend to forget

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Speaker 3: former walk on a Temple right.

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Speaker 2: They had to get it the hard way.

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Speaker 3: And everybody knows what's synonymous with temple Temple tough right.

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Speaker 2: That's his mantras, his attitude.

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Speaker 3: And when he got drafted to the Arizona Cardinals, they

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Speaker 3: kind of misused the skill set. They didn't know if

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Speaker 2: He bought out and even after that, EA.

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Speaker 3: Still had to sign a proven deal in Carolina before

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Speaker 3: some disrespect because Philadelphia didn't want to give him an extension.

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Speaker 3: So you're coming. You got a guy kind of like

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Speaker 3: how Aaron Rodgers was last year. It's going to come

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Speaker 3: like to your point and what the fans said in

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Speaker 3: your inbox, that was one of the most impressive press

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he does not worry in the least bit

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Speaker 1: as far as what we've seen here in free agency,

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Speaker 1: How do you envision this working out short term and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Jets sold them on you

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Speaker 3: can play with Aaron. Rodgers have an opportunity to hit

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Speaker 2: Right, you come in.

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Speaker 3: Ball out hit the free agent market, because we kind

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Speaker 3: of talked about this off camera, EA, like with the

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Speaker 3: there has to be some pieces that are going to

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Speaker 3: be there for the next three or four years. You

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Speaker 3: stated it perfectly. There are so many deals signed in

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Speaker 3: year deals. Right, So you're gonna be in the same

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Speaker 3: scenario next year and the Jets are in a all

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Speaker 2: But you still need to have longevity.

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Speaker 3: For this team and consistency on this team by drafting

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Speaker 3: players that can develop after these players that have one

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Speaker 3: we saw Bryce South leieve, they bring in Reddick, they

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Speaker 3: going forward. The Quinn Williams, the Sauce Gardners, the Jermaine Johnson's,

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Speaker 2: Like that's why, you know.

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Speaker 3: It's always funny when you get into great spirited debates

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Speaker 3: with people on Twitter, and you know, I believe earlier

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Speaker 3: third round. Yeah, I said, the Jets kind of draft

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Speaker 3: and I was like, well, you realize this is before

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Speaker 1: Man, what do you make of the buds to JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 3: He left Indiana after being injured for multiple years, went

443
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Speaker 3: to Washington and the program has been good.

444
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Speaker 2: But he took him to New Heights. Ea.

445
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Speaker 3: He took them to the College Football Championship Game when

446
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,160
Speaker 3: nobody had them probably being in the College Football Playoff

447
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 3: this year.

448
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Speaker 1: So like again, exaccuracy is crazy, dude.

449
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Speaker 2: It's out of control.

450
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Speaker 1: And that combination and I know you love Rome, I

451
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 1: mean that combination. What's this the Paxton College football last year?

452
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Speaker 2: I don't even think it's question.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Jane Daniels and neighbors. But I would

454
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Speaker 1: have took Pennis in Rome. But you know whatever, you

455
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: can't go wrong with either one for sure as far

456
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Speaker 1: as just a lethal combination. Okay, let's get to Joe

457
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Speaker 1: Douglas's draft history. I would say the diamond, the diamond

458
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Speaker 1: in the raw out at all of them, would be

459
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Speaker 1: Michael Carter, the second out of do in the fifth round.

460
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: Correct.

461
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 3: And when you look at it, and this is what

462
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Speaker 3: we were talking about earlier a little bit, EA yor

463
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 3: third four fifth round picks have to eventually be spot

464
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Speaker 3: starters or starters, and Michael Carter MC two as we

465
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Speaker 3: call him, but I don't think we have to do

466
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 3: that anymore since the other Michael Carter has moved on.

467
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 3: It's literally was a starter from the slot position in

468
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 3: day one, Like he earned that spot from day one,

469
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 3: one of the best slot corners in the league. And

470
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,719
Speaker 3: you would think, you know, this is the first year

471
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Speaker 3: he's eligible to get a deal. It'd be interesting to see,

472
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 3: you know what transpires with that, right because you got

473
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 3: him DJ and the Eings saw us. After next year,

474
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: they're all going to be up or available for new deals. Right, So,

475
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: like you talk about having the best secondary and the

476
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: best corner group in the league, there's some business that

477
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 3: has to be done. So like with Michael Carter, he

478
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 3: saw them on Twitter excited when Kenny Moore got that

479
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 3: new deal because he knows that sets the standard for

480
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 3: the slot corner position and he knows the next guy

481
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: usually gets paid more and the way he's played, he

482
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: deserves to get paid.

483
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Speaker 1: Man, that was a home run draft pick. Now, how

484
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: about that twenty two class? Does it have the potential

485
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Speaker 1: to be historic? When you're talking about Shaft Gardener for

486
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson at ten, you come back and get Jermaine

487
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: Johnson late in the first round, trade up, then you

488
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: trade up in the second round. Sneaky, sneaky move there,

489
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: very clever moving up with the Giants kid Priest Hall,

490
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: and so you got those four at the top. But

491
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Speaker 1: then you're talking about death pieces down the line, maybe

492
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Speaker 1: the Michael Clemens of the world. You've talked about Mike

493
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Speaker 1: Max Mitchell here on this podcast. So I mean that draft.

494
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Speaker 2: You forget one, forget one guy?

495
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: Are we gonna go to the tight end?

496
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Speaker 2: Okay? Position?

497
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Speaker 1: You talk about it, Jeremy Rudgan, No, that's my guy.

498
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Speaker 3: Man, I think he's a foundational piece on this team,

499
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Speaker 3: So you do.

500
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Speaker 1: Okay, So talk to me about a class like that

501
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: and what it is right now and it's potential and

502
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: what it says about a GM, because I think when

503
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Speaker 1: we look at Joe Douglas, a lot of people are

504
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: saying putting unrealistic expectations as far as drafting expectations. I'm

505
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: not saying he's perfect, because nobody's perfect. Who drafts No,

506
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: not at all. But you name me a GM over

507
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Speaker 1: the course of five years who has a class like that. Now,

508
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people would come back to me and say, hey, listen,

509
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: you have to have a bad ball club and lose

510
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: a lot of games to be in position to be

511
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Speaker 1: where you're at to have a class like that. But

512
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: bottom line is, when you have a class like that,

513
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: that goes on your resume just as well as any

514
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: kind of missed us EA.

515
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Speaker 3: When the twenty two draft class helped happen, the first

516
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: thing I said out of my mouth was that was

517
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Speaker 3: a franchise definding draft class. Literally, like the first four

518
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 3: picks on my draft board, I said, I think Garrett

519
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 3: Wilson was my number two, but the rest of the

520
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 3: three Breis Hall, Jermaine Johnson, and Sauce Garner were all

521
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: number one at their position and you got all four

522
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: of them like and again with the Garrett Wilson thing,

523
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 3: it muddled back and forth between him.

524
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Speaker 2: I think it was Drake London. So it was like

525
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: one A, one B. Right.

526
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Speaker 3: It wasn't like I had him as the receiver number

527
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Speaker 3: four or five, right, it was he was.

528
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Speaker 2: He was up there.

529
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Speaker 3: That was a franchise defining draft class. Like you can

530
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Speaker 3: say what you want about the Jets, you know, having

531
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: to struggle to have high draft picks like that, People

532
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: forget that that that Garrett Wilson pick was because Joe

533
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Speaker 3: Douglas made a great trade in trading away Jamal Adams

534
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Speaker 3: and getting picked form.

535
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Speaker 2: So, like whether the Jets.

536
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Speaker 3: Were good or not, that was a piece that he

537
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: traded away to gain an extra pick. And then what

538
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 3: people really don't know, not only did they trade back

539
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 3: to get Jermaine, they were trying to trade back in

540
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: the first to get Breese Saw but they were able

541
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Speaker 3: to get him in the second and not have to

542
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: give up as much draft capital. So that was a

543
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: franchise defining draft class. When you talk about hitting on

544
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 3: all four of those first four picks and all four

545
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 3: of them being franchised foundational pieces.

546
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: That is rare.

547
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 3: Like again, when you talk about first round picks and

548
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: when they hit, I think it's like a fifty percent

549
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 3: hit rate in regard to them and more specifically at quarterback.

550
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Speaker 3: But for him to hit on all four going into

551
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 3: year three, when you talk about offensive riget year, defensive

552
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: rigget year, two time All Pro corner, a Pro Bowl

553
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Speaker 3: defensive end. Briest Hall was snubbed for being a Pro

554
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 3: Bowl last year because I think he was second or.

555
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: Third in the league in scrimmage yards. Like, it doesn't

556
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: get any better than that. That is a.

557
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 3: Franchise defining draft class, so some respect needs to be

558
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 3: paid for what he does. And then when you look

559
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: at draft classes, yeah, you can't just look at the

560
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: first two years. I think Jerremany Ruker is going to

561
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: be a hell of a player down the road. I

562
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: still think Max Mitchell has an opportuned to be a

563
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 3: really good swing tackle.

564
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Speaker 2: We see Michael Clemens be able to be a good

565
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Speaker 2: rotational piece.

566
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Speaker 3: So like they even hit later on in the draft,

567
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: when you look at some of those draft picks, you

568
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: know Rucker was banged up, didn't play much as rookie year,

569
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Speaker 3: but we saw the development in him last year, and

570
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 3: now you would think would see even more and you

571
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 3: probably get a lot more playing time out of CJ.

572
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: Juzama has moved on as well.

573
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Speaker 1: And then you have to again, you're not absolving anybody

574
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: for missus here, but you do have to take into

575
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Speaker 1: account the fact that when you do have a change

576
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: in coaching staffs, there are different beliefs as far as

577
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: personnel is concerned and schemes. So automatically you're gonna have

578
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: guys who might have fit last system, or maybe the

579
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: former coaching staff had one thought on something that are

580
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: gonna change when you bring in a new staff. Correct

581
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: and ultimately here the bottom line is, I know what

582
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: people are going to say with Joe is his first

583
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: round picks over the years. Mackai Beckton in twenty twenty,

584
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson twenty twenty one, Elijah Verra Tucker in twenty

585
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: one moved up for him. We talked about twenty two,

586
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: and then Will McDonald in twenty three. My argument, my

587
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: contention on twenty one and Zach Wilson was the Jets

588
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: were in a situation where I think you had to

589
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: take a quarterback. The bottom line was you had to

590
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: take a quarterback. And now look at what has happened

591
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: with that class right now. Now I know the counter

592
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: on that, you don't have to take a Quarterack, Yeah,

593
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: I know the counter on that is, you don't have

594
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback. But it would have been left

595
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: out of the league if they didn't take a quarterback

596
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: in twenty one.

597
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Speaker 3: And for all those people that are talking on at crap,

598
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: they were just as high on Zach Wilson as I was.

599
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: I was very high on Zach Wilson.

600
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Speaker 3: There's a couple of things that go with that, right

601
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: It's sometimes the development isn't there. Sometimes you just things

602
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 3: that you saw on tape in college don't develop the

603
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 3: right way at the next level. And sometimes sometimes a

604
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: young man just has the mature too. Like there's a

605
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: lot that goes into it. When you go talk about

606
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 3: a pick in the top five, especially at the quarterback position,

607
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: and you stated a perfect Ea, just look at the

608
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: rest of the class. There's still question marks about the

609
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: guy that went before Zack Wilson. So like you just

610
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 3: never know, Like justin Field is no longer with the Bears. Right,

611
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: if you look at mac Jones, he's no longer with

612
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: the New England Patriots, and Trey Lance is no longer

613
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: with the San Francisco forty nine ers. These were guys

614
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: that were picked right after Zach Wilson. So you just

615
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: truly never know. And people were saying that twenty one

616
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: class could potentially be the best quarterback class that we

617
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: had seen in a decade. Right, So I think people

618
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: are so interesting underestimated that twenty class and how good

619
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Speaker 3: it really is. Now that is really one of the

620
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Speaker 3: best quarterback classes that we've seen in the last decade.

621
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Speaker 3: When you look at Herbert Joe Burrow hurts to a

622
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: tongue of Bailoa like that was a ridiculous class, and

623
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: people going into that draft weren't talking about that class

624
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: being that special and end up being one of the

625
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 3: most special quarterback classes.

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Speaker 2: So you just you really just truly never know ya.

627
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Speaker 1: All Right, So, lastly, some of Douglas's in the Jots

628
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: recent drafting. You have high expectations for Joe Tipman. We

629
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Speaker 1: saw him be taken in the second round last year.

630
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Speaker 1: We talked about Carter Warren a righty, here is he

631
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: about a conda right now on the top. Charity's second

632
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: behind Brees Hall. He got some valuable playing times on

633
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: the show.

634
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: Can we stop it right there?

635
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: Because that's another thing people are killing me with the

636
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: we can't go into the season.

637
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: What is he is the backup?

638
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, what, what have you actually seen on tape

639
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: that says you we can't Like when he got carries

640
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: late in the year, he was still averaging over four

641
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: yards of carry, So I'm like, what like people like,

642
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: we got to bring in a vet And I'm not

643
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: saying we don't need to bring in a vet, but again,

644
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: it's all about developing your young talent. You would be

645
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: going into his second year more comfortable in the offense,

646
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: he would take a step because I know the biggest

647
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 3: thing for him was protection, and that usually hurts a

648
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: lot of young running backs. EA in regards to not

649
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: getting on the field, is knowing your protections, knowing when

650
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: the quarterback checks who you're supposed to block, and then

651
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: being able to physically block.

652
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Speaker 2: People in the protection.

653
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Speaker 3: So another year with the strength program, another year being

654
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Speaker 3: comfortable in the offense, you would think he would take

655
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Speaker 3: a step. I just thought it was hilarious that people

656
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Speaker 3: were like, we just we just can't go into the

657
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Speaker 3: year where in preseason everybody was on the Israel abandoned

658
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Speaker 3: Conda hype train.

659
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Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden, it's.

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Speaker 1: Crazy to me, that's a fair take, and a couple

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Speaker 1: guys that I'm gonna watch this summer pay close attention to.

662
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Speaker 1: I know the stars are obviously gonna get most of

663
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Speaker 1: the light, which they should, but the guys like Jared

664
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: Bernardo Converse, a six round pick out of LSU, guys

665
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: got some interesting athletic trade. And then you could say

666
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: the same thing about Zach Kootz at the tight end position,

667
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: and just down the line here under Douglas's draft record,

668
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: Jamie Sherwood is a valuable piece on this roster. They

669
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Speaker 1: got him in the fifth round in twenty twenty one. Dudes, Yeah,

670
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: Brandon Ackles, he's going to be counted on even more

671
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: now with Bryce Hall going to Tampa and Justin Hardy

672
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: from a special teams perspective signing with the Cleveland Browns,

673
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: so Accles is a big piece on this roster. A

674
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: special especially on special teams, is going to provide depth

675
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: there at the cornerback position where the Jets are loaded

676
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: right now. So have we learned anything about Joe from

677
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: his past drafts that gives us insight on what's going

678
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: to happen ahead?

679
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: I mean, one thing for sure, and we've talked about

680
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: this before, he is that he loves that trench work.

681
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: He loves the draft guys in the trenches. So when

682
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: you look at pick number ten, and that's been the conversation, right,

683
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: do you take another officive tackle that potentially is going

684
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: to be a development guy in a all end type year, which, again,

685
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: you still need guys for the longevity of this franchise

686
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: to develop really well. And then we also know the

687
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: history of Tyrone Smith right and how he hasn't been

688
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: able to complete a whole season, I think in the

689
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: last four or five seasons. So taking a guy in

690
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: the top ten again, it doesn't necessarily mean that guy's

691
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: gonna be a home run pick right away. Right, there's

692
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: a development that needs to happen, even if you do

693
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Speaker 3: take an off of the tackle where I feel like

694
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: taking a receiver is more of a sure bet.

695
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Speaker 2: And I think Joe Douglas showed you.

696
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: Two years ago he's not afraid to take a receiver

697
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: in the top ten because he took Garrett Wilson and

698
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: I was a home run pick. Right, So when you

699
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: look at Joe deed, he literally always wants to solidify

700
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: the offensive line of defensive line. It's gonna be a

701
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: little trigger this year just because the lack of picks

702
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: the Jets actually have. Now, does that mean they potentially

703
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: trade back because he's answered so many questions rea free

704
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: agency in regards to filling holes on his roster, it

705
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: does give them the option to potentially trade back and

706
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: get more draft capital with that first pick at number ten,

707
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: So that is an option as well. But just knowing

708
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: Joe Douglas, he likes to make sure that he has

709
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: more than enough in regards to having depth in the

710
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: O line and D line. Right, those are two areas

711
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: he likes to really lock in. He's actually done a

712
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: really good job at free agency. So this is going

713
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: to be, to me, a wildcard draft for Joe.

714
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: Right.

715
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: Could this be where he trades back? Could it be

716
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: where he takes receiver? People have talked about Brock Bowers.

717
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: I think positional value that's a little high at number

718
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: ten overall, even though he is a really good player

719
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: and an explosive player with the football in his hand.

720
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Speaker 3: Me and you have talked about EA. I love our

721
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: tight end group. I think it's a really good group.

722
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: I think it's a deep group, right, I think it

723
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: goes four deep. I think you talked about Zach Koontz

724
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: is a guy that you want to watch. I think

725
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: Kenny Bows another guy you want to watch this summer.

726
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: I think he's developed really well. And you know, he

727
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: was banged up for most of the year, and I

728
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: think he came back and gave some good reps towards

729
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: the end of the back season last year.

730
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Speaker 2: So this is this could be a wildcard, right.

731
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: He could go receiver, honestly, or he could trade back

732
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: and game more draft capital. That way, he can get

733
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: a receiver and a official tackle in the first and

734
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: second round if if they're able to trade back, and.

735
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Speaker 1: It makes sense, man, I like that. That's gonna be

736
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: a theme moving forward. The wildcard draft.

737
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Speaker 3: Wildcard draft job, Douglas, you kind of knew where he

738
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: was going on. I don't think people in twenty two

739
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: expected sauce Gardner to go that high. But it was

740
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: a home run hit, right, and we knew that they

741
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 3: needed a receiver. And they were gonna take one pretty

742
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: high and they took one at ten. I would have

743
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: would have you know me, I wouldn't have been mad

744
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: if they took Jermaine at four at the time.

745
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: They ended up getting them later.

746
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: So like he answered every need that Jets had in

747
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: twenty two. Now he's in the scenario where the roster,

748
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 3: you know, on paper, and again the game is played

749
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: on the field, but on paper a lot of holes

750
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: have been filled. That's why I say it's kind of

751
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: a wildcard draft because there's so many ways he can

752
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 3: go at that number ten pick.

753
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: We debated this dudes inside this very studio this week.

754
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: Can't you make the argument right now to your point

755
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: number one? I'm going to proface this statement, this question

756
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: by saying it's April. It's April third. Games aren't played

757
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: on paper, in fact, but top top, top to bottom.

758
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: Can't you make the argument right now that the Jets

759
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: have the most talented roster and they have ceased?

760
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're talking about on paper right now, and

761
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: then you would also have to preface that by saying

762
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: with everybody being.

763
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: Healthy, right, because that's the yeah thing as well.

764
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: I would say I don't even think it's a question

765
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: right now in regards to the top to bottom full roster,

766
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: because you saw Buffalo Bills have a mass exodus on

767
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 3: their roster this offseason. Now, a lot of those players

768
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: are getting older and their cap hits were extremely high.

769
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: But when you just look at the teams, I think

770
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: Miami is probably a close second.

771
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: The only thing is I would say what you know

772
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: going into the season.

773
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people would say the

774
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: old line is a bigger issue right now in Miami

775
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: than it is for the Jets, just because Taron Armstead

776
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: and Tyers Smith.

777
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 2: I would say, maybe.

778
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: Cancel each other out because there's a question mark. Could

779
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: those guys actually make it through a whole season healthy?

780
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: But I asked Austin Jackson and Morgan Moses. I would

781
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: give the slight edge to Morgan right, and then Avt

782
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: if healthy. They lost Robert Hunt, I think he's better

783
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: than anybody they got in the inside. Avt went healthy, right,

784
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 3: and then Tipman as well. They did sign Aaron Brewer,

785
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: but I think Tipman. I would give the edge for

786
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: development and also projection to Joe Timan a little bit

787
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: more too. So when you look at it and even

788
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 3: Buffalo who lost, like I said, lost a lot of pieces.

789
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: I think the slight edge has to go to the

790
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: Jets if everybody is healthy. Again, I will preface that

791
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 3: by saying, if everybody is actually healthy.

792
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: A totally fair point. So let's do here. What do

793
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: you make of the landscape for Joe Douglas and the

794
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: Jets and Robert Salah in terms of windows? You are

795
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: a guy who is an analyst but also played between

796
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: those white lines. What do you make of the Jets

797
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: being in a win now mode in how that impacts

798
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: the draft?

799
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

800
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: So ea for people that I don't know, like, and

801
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: players usually get a sense of it pretty early, like

802
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 3: when you're in a window where your team's really good

803
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: and you know it's only going to last three years max,

804
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: maybe four if you're lucky, depending on your quarterback. Right,

805
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: And we've heard Joe Burrow said, you know, as long

806
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: as I'm here, we're always our windows always open, right, So,

807
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: like we got guys like Mahomes Like. People will throw

808
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: Josh Allen in that, But I honestly think the Buffalo

809
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: bills of mister window in regards to that's why you

810
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: saw that mass exodus of some of those veteran players.

811
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: When you looked at their roster, I would say, going

812
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: back the last four.

813
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: Years, they were in that window, like the last four years,

814
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: and I think they've surpassed that window now, Sam Fran

815
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: They're technically probably have like two more years just because

816
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 3: you're gonna once.

817
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: You eventually played a quarterback. It's hard to stay in

818
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: that window. Right.

819
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: They're gonna have to pay brock Party soon. Right now,

820
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: they can get away with paying all those Pro bowlers

821
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 3: because they don't have to pay quarterbacks. So when you

822
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: look at the Jets right with Aaron Rodgers age, and

823
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 3: then you look at Tyrone Smith and Morgan Moses and

824
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: their age, right, you would think like they Jets have

825
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: a two year window Bax right now to make a

826
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: significant run to the super Bowl. Now, that's why I

827
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: always say development is so key.

828
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: Right.

829
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: And one of my mock drafts, I took a quarterback

830
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 3: in the fourth I took Michael Pratt because I thought

831
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: it was smart to be behind a guy like Tyrod

832
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 3: and Aaron Rodgers for two years learn and potentially turn

833
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: into a starter. Right, And if you don't like his development,

834
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: it's a fourth round pick. You still take a quarterback

835
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: two years later. You know what I'm saying. So, Like,

836
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: I think you have to keep throwing darts at the

837
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: quarterbacks just because you never know when you're gonna get

838
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: a rock Party.

839
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 2: You never know where you're gonna get a Tom Brady.

840
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 3: Right, You just never know where you're a late round

841
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: draft pick or Dak Prescott is going to happen and

842
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: they develop well and become a future starter for you.

843
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: That's why you keep throwing darts at it. And that's

844
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: why I'm so I harp on, like, your development is

845
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 3: so key. Right, your third, fourth, fifth rounds, I say

846
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 3: one more time, Ea, your third, fourth, and fifth round

847
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: draft picks have to eventually be spot starters or turn

848
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: into starters eventually. Right, That's how you have longevity and

849
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: consistency in this league. So when you look at this

850
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: landscape of this quote unquote two year run that the

851
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 3: Jets are technically in to try to win a championship game, Yes.

852
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: You want to go all in.

853
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: You want to bring some of those veteran pieces to

854
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: help you get over the top, but you can't forget

855
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: about the longevity and having consistency in this league.

856
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: And that's why the draft is monumental.

857
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: I said this earlier this year at EA that the

858
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: draft literally dictates how the NFL moves in free agency

859
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: and everything else, right, because we saw an influx of

860
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: running backs getting paid when people thought that that.

861
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 2: Position wasn't getting paid anymore.

862
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: And it's because this isn't a strong draft class at

863
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: the running back position. So that's why Saquan got upwards

864
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: to thirteen million dollars. That's why Josh Jacobs got upwards

865
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: to twelve million dollars. That's why DeAndre Swift got eight

866
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: million dollars, That's why Tony Poler got eight million dollars,

867
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: where before running backs weren't.

868
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: Getting paid close to that.

869
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: Right, That's why I say the NFL draft dictates what

870
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 3: happens in free agency. Adversely, this is a strong running

871
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: receiver group, right, and offensive tackle group. What happened in

872
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 3: free agency only like two receivers actually got crazy bags.

873
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 3: No officer tackles really got paid. Because the NFL draft

874
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: dictates what teams do, because teams understand, yes, you can

875
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: bring in free agency, but you build through the draft.

876
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: That's how you have consistency.

877
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what Joe Douglas says, navigated this

878
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: offseason today almost perfect.

879
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: Remembera people were coming for his head in the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know. So that's that. That that

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Speaker 1: sets us up for an exciting weekend in Detroit, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to continue to prepare for that. Here on

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Speaker 1: the Draft podcast. That's Lejaydusable looking looking good down there

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Speaker 1: with the Jets Polo in Florida. We're hoping we're gonna

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Speaker 1: bring the Polos back here up North soon. Man. Hey

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it, buddy, appreciate h