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Speaker 1: and we'll also have a party shot on the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: We'll meet anybody in the world, and I think we're

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Speaker 2: That's Jets wonder, can't.

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Speaker 1: All right? Greens. Jets have a pair of new coordinators,

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Speaker 1: Brian Duker on the defensive side of the ball. Frank Reich,

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Speaker 1: of course, is made official here Wednesday morning in Florm Park.

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to start?

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Speaker 3: I feel like we should start with the Reich news

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Speaker 3: the Duker news.

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Speaker 1: Yes here, are good with that, Yeah, totally good with it.

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Speaker 1: So Reich a lot of experience. Obviously played in the

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Speaker 1: GM Bill polly And once said of him greatest backup

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Speaker 1: in fact work with Peyton Manning one of Peyton Manning's

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Speaker 1: greatest years in the National Football League. Reich was a

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach there with the Colts, got some coordinator experience

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Speaker 3: And thirty years ago when he was with the Jets

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Speaker 3: which is a cool little story. Actually, I actually have

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Speaker 1: Well, the other thing about Reich is that he was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when you look at the higher obviously,

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Speaker 2: Was something that you know, no.

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Speaker 3: Disrespect to Tanner Eankster, and he was a new coordinator,

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Speaker 3: you know, with Frank Reich, he has experience as a

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Speaker 3: So he has experience at all the different levels of football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting to flip here for Aaron Glenn because

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm interested just to hear what Frank Reich has

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Speaker 1: AG's quote in today's release was, Frank has a rare

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get to this before we jump in there.

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Speaker 2: See how it shakes out.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what kind of staff Reich wants to bring in,

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Speaker 1: longtime Green Bay Packers head coach Mike McCarthy takes over

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Speaker 1: for the Steelers. He's gonna call place. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 1: whole division.

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Speaker 3: The big there are divisions, like you said, and then

439
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Speaker 3: the two in the NFC that all four of them

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Speaker 3: coach or call plays is the NFC West and the

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Speaker 3: NFC South. So that's all eight of those coaches and

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Speaker 3: then twelve, including the AFC North, all call plays for

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Speaker 3: their team. All the head coaches call plays, whether that's

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Speaker 3: offense or defense.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, the one.

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Speaker 3: That's most surprising where that has the least amount of

447
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Speaker 3: play callers in their division is the NFC East. Nick

448
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Speaker 3: Sirianni does not call it for the Eagles, they just

449
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Speaker 3: hired Sean Mannon as their new OC. Bron Schottenheimer does

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Speaker 3: call plays. The Giants John Harbaugh does not call plays.

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Speaker 3: And then Washington Dan Quinn just hired a new defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it's up in the air whether or

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Speaker 3: not Quinn will or will not.

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Speaker 1: Get Deronte Jones. So it might be only Shoty call plays.

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Speaker 1: But you brought not only shot he's calling the shots,

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Speaker 1: but you brought up to other examples. We look at

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Speaker 1: Dynesse North. You got Matt Lafleur there, who is calling

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Speaker 1: offensive shots. We know that Minnesota Kevin O'Connell quarterback whisper

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Speaker 1: he's calling offensive plays. Chicago just hired Ben Johnson, who

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Speaker 1: was there in Detroit under Dan Campbell with Aaron Glenn.

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Speaker 1: We saw what he was able to do in his

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Speaker 1: first year. And speaking to the Lions, they signed Drew Petsing.

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Speaker 1: That's their new offensive coordinator. So what to find out

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Speaker 1: because in fact, Campbell last year took over offensive play

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Speaker 1: calling duties at one point. And then you mentioned that

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Speaker 1: NFC West Kyle Shanahan longtime play caller Sean McVay. Look

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Speaker 1: at what he's been doing with Stafford. I mean, and

468
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Speaker 1: it's amazing to think about mcvay's tenure in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm going off here. Mike McDonald calling defensive

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Speaker 1: shots this weekend for the Seattle Seahawks, and that defense

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Speaker 1: is one of the top five in the National Football

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Speaker 1: Leaguing in an expectation, is Mike Lafleur, Matt's younger brother,

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Speaker 1: probably calling offensive plays in Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the guys that stand out to me of everyone

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Speaker 3: you just said is Mike McDonald, because this is a

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Speaker 3: guy that's in the Super Bowl and the Seahawks defense

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Speaker 3: is great and he's calling the plays, you know, And yeah,

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Speaker 3: Clint Kobiacs expected to be the Raiders head coach shortly

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Speaker 3: after the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: You know, sure, it feels like.

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Speaker 3: That's the direction that they're going, and he like McDonald

482
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Speaker 3: is a great example and not to mention like the

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Speaker 3: Tennessee Titans hired Robert Sala. One of the things that

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Speaker 3: he said, obviously is that he is calling plays because

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Speaker 3: he felt like when he was head coach of the Jets,

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Speaker 3: he maybe he did want to call plays in retrospect, right,

487
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Speaker 3: And he said he felt like a little bit of

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Speaker 3: like a child, like a red flag thrower, is what

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Speaker 3: he said.

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Speaker 2: And look, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have your hands more on it, right, But we.

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Speaker 2: Don't know what Aaron Glenn's thinking.

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Speaker 3: Like there's a world where he comes in last year

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Speaker 3: and he's like, yes, I want to be a little

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Speaker 3: more CEO type, you know, and kind of assess everything

496
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Speaker 3: he might have gone through this offseason. He and again

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Speaker 3: this is assuming he's going to call plays, which we

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 2: It could be duker.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I think that there's a world where ags like

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Speaker 3: you know what, like, yeah, I want to get my

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Speaker 3: hands a little bit more back in the defense because

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Speaker 3: I feel like I can do a good job of

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Speaker 3: having this defense play the way that I want them to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a possibility.

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Speaker 1: Compatibility and synergy there with Duker, the familiarity, so those

507
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Speaker 1: guys have intimate working experiences from their days in Detroit

508
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Speaker 1: and going all the way back to Cleveland. The other

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Speaker 1: thing I want to say is that there is a

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Speaker 1: Rex Ryan influence here on AG's philosophy. Defensively, so is

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Speaker 1: going It will be very interesting to see how he

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Speaker 1: fills out the rest of his staff roll.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean by a Rex Ryan philosophy, like

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Speaker 3: in terms of what.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the connections here if you go back

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Speaker 1: and you say, okay, Aaron Glenn started his career in Cleveland.

517
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Speaker 1: Who was the coordinator Jimmy O'Neill. Who did Jimmy O'Neill

518
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Speaker 1: learn under Well, that was Rex Ryan and Mike Petton

519
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: here here with the Jets. Okay, there are other guys.

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Speaker 1: I think when we talk about the staff, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see you're gonna see more connections, and you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: the way Aaron wants to attack things. Again, it's all

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Speaker 1: about impacting the quarterback. And also he's very and this

524
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Speaker 1: is no surprise, but again back. Then he comes from

525
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Speaker 1: that thinking of hey, we're locking up. It's gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: we are locking up. And so when we're looking ahead

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Speaker 1: of the draft, I mean to me, when you're looking

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Speaker 1: at the defensive backs, you play man, But if you're

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Speaker 1: just an own eye guy, I don't know if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be the right fit here.

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Speaker 3: Well remember what he said to A z Thomas when

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Speaker 3: he got drafted. He loved the way that he played

533
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Speaker 3: press man. Yeah, he was a senior Bowl player and

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Speaker 3: uh and then obviously his testing numbers in terms of

535
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Speaker 3: speed didn't match let's say the play speed. They were

536
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Speaker 3: slower on turf than what AG saw on the field

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Speaker 3: that he kept saying that, and we saw A z

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Speaker 3: Thomas had what I would consider like a prototypical rookie year,

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Speaker 3: Like yes, Wheneber he got beat on the T Higgins touchdown.

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Speaker 3: He came back that same game and he's making plays.

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Speaker 3: He's making plays on the ball, and he's he's got sized,

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Speaker 3: he's got length. I'm not saying that's what AG wants

543
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Speaker 3: in a corner, but you think about Brandon Stevens is

544
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Speaker 3: a similar bill too. I just think that to your

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Speaker 3: point when Glenn called a Z Thomas told him that

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Speaker 3: the Jets were drafting him. He said, I want you

547
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Speaker 3: to do what you did at Florida State, which is

548
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Speaker 3: he said, like, I would just want you to choke

549
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Speaker 3: up the other receivers, right, And that's what That's what

550
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Speaker 3: a Z Thomas is was in college.

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Speaker 2: That's what he's aspiring to be in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that it's a good pull that

553
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Speaker 3: man coverage might be where the Jets are headed.

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Speaker 1: So we'll find out soon enough if Aaron Glenn is

555
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: indeed calling plays. We know Brian Duger is his defensive coordinator,

556
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Speaker 1: and he will speak about the process. The big thing

557
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Speaker 1: I want to say is that I know we hear

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Speaker 1: from the outside people saying I thought he wanted to

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Speaker 1: be a CEO head coach. Well, he went through a season.

560
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Speaker 1: And if you're the head coach, you have to make

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Speaker 1: difficult decisions, and you have to make the decisions that

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Speaker 1: you are most comfortable with and also you think puts

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Speaker 1: your team in best position to win. And for Aaron Glenn,

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Speaker 1: that meant bringing Duker on board and bringing in a veteran,

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Speaker 1: seasoned offensive coach. And oh, by the way, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Aaron's going to say this as well. I think

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Speaker 1: Tanner Angsterran is going to have a great career in

568
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Speaker 1: the National Football League. But for the Jets right now,

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Speaker 1: this is the direction that Age thought that he had

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Speaker 1: to go in. And again, the three finalists, if you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the in person interviews as we touched upon

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Speaker 1: at the beginning here of the pod, Yeah, or Darryl Bevill,

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Speaker 1: Greg Roman and Frank Rake. And look at the amount

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Speaker 1: of combined experience of those guys have had as far

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Speaker 1: as years in the NFL in the coordinator position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a great point. And I think things

578
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Speaker 3: change in the NFL. They change in the drop of

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Speaker 3: a hat. To your point, if AG or any coach

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Speaker 3: for that matter, is thinking this is what I want

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Speaker 3: to do, they have all of the power to them

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Speaker 3: to change that.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 3: So if that is the case for AG and he's

585
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Speaker 3: like I wanted to be the CEO, I got a

586
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Speaker 3: year and I decided it was best for the team,

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Speaker 3: the organization, for me, for whomever.

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Speaker 2: He has the right to do.

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Speaker 3: So, if that's the direction that he wants to go

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Speaker 3: in terms of calling plays.

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Speaker 1: Well, he also to himself and he also to the

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Speaker 1: organization to be honest with you. I mean, if he

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Speaker 1: thinks that's the best way to go, that's the way

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Speaker 1: you have to go.

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00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And look, I think that a lot of people are

597
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: interested to hear what he has to say, and so

598
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Speaker 3: I think that realistically, the next time he speaks is

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Speaker 3: later this month, like at the end of the month

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Speaker 3: in Indianapolis, you would imagine at the combine. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I think that of course, naturally, people are gonna have questions.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be quite straightforward about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I think he's gonna answer him yeah,

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Speaker 2: straight out. I don't think he's gonna beat around the bush.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And for the Jets right now, listen to a

606
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: lot of staff changes. And when he took this job,

607
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: you never envisioned that, Hey, you're going to have to

608
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Speaker 1: make these changes. But again, he's the guy who's calling

609
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Speaker 1: the shots. Yeah, and the Jets have a lot of

610
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Speaker 1: work to do, and he knows that. Darren Mugie knows

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00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: that as well. But I'm glad we touched upon that.

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Speaker 1: I just want to stress the fact that if Aaron

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Speaker 1: does call plays, this is not an outlier in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League. I know people are talking about process.

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Speaker 1: He can address this. I just want to say that

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Speaker 1: though the fact is him doing that, It's what most

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Speaker 1: guys are doing in the league right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the point to hammer home because.

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Speaker 3: It might be not what he said he was going

620
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Speaker 3: to do last year, but he again has the right

621
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Speaker 3: to change his mind.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like, you know, maybe this.

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Speaker 3: Is just me reading into Twitter X the comments a

624
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Speaker 3: little too much, or like the Jets Twitter is like,

625
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: no one seemed like this is the guy that we

626
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: need to get at defensive coordinator. Obviously, I think fans

627
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Speaker 3: were excited at the potential opportunity to have Jim Leonard

628
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Speaker 3: call plays or come back, at least to the Jets,

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Speaker 3: considering he was part of the AFC championship teams. But

630
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Speaker 3: you know, other other than that, I didn't feel like

631
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Speaker 3: Jets fans were like, this is really like an intriguing option,

632
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Speaker 3: and so I think that you kind of you touched

633
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: on this wherever the Jets land, Like if AG does

634
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Speaker 3: call plays and it ends up being AG Collin plays

635
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: on the defense and rch on the offense, you might

636
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 3: ultimately land in a better spot than Even though that

637
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: the process was a little bit of a winding road

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Speaker 3: compared to what a normal process looks like.

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Speaker 1: Right by the way, if you're successful, nobody's gonna remember that.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna I don't remember twenty five.

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Speaker 3: And like, I'm not making this comparison because it's it's unfair.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, but just remember that after Dan Campbell's first

643
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: year in Detroit, they got rid of an offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Of course, that ends up being Ben Johnson, Which is

645
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Speaker 3: why it's unfair, because Ben Johnson goes on to be

646
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: one of the most creative minds in football, and that

647
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: was someone who would never call plays before. But just

648
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Speaker 3: considering the success the lines have had, no one's like,

649
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Speaker 3: oh my god, I can't believe that you fired that

650
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Speaker 3: Guy's a.

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Speaker 1: Really good point because you talked about Mike McDonald before

652
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Speaker 1: they went tennants. After the first year, he parted ways

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00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: with Ryan Grubb and he brought in a new offensive

654
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: coordinator there in Clint Kobiak. Now Clint Kubiak, of course,

655
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: is expected, as he told me yesterday, to be the

656
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: next Las Vegas Raiders head coaching. He might be working

657
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: with Fernando Mendoza.

658
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also you think about like the Seahawks, specifically

659
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: when they traded Gino and then they signed Sam. I

660
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: feel like no one was parading saying how much of

661
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: a slam dunk it was, how good Sam Darnold would

662
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: end up becoming this season. Obviously he had a fantastic

663
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: year in Minnesota, but the way his career in Minnesota

664
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: ended was not one to be like, oh, that's for

665
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: sure the guy and it ends up being a great move.

666
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: So I just think that there's a lot of questions,

667
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: and rightly so. Every year, that's that's what we do.

668
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: We're like, we have the information given to us. You question,

669
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: you support it, whatever.

670
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: You want to do, that's fine. The proof will be

671
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: in the pudding in six months or however long.

672
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: It is, all right. Final thoughts. Super Bowl Patriots four

673
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: and thirteen a year ago. Obviously, they flipped that thing

674
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: really quick under Mike Rabel. He had the quarterback in

675
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: place in Drake May, who is either going to finish

676
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: first or second in NFL MVP voting, You said, rightfully. So,

677
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: they spent quite wisely in free agency, addressing a number

678
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: of needs, and they just found ways to win. This year,

679
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: they'll be facing the Seattle Seahawks team that won the

680
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: number one seed and had a reclamation project at quarterback.

681
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: Who really turned his career around, I think we all

682
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: can say in Minnesota, and then he followed it up

683
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: again in Seattle. What a job by Sam Darnold, the

684
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: former Jets draft pick.

685
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

686
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: I think most Jets fans, all Jets fans, are room

687
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: for Sam, not only for Sam the player, but against

688
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: the division rival in New England Patriots understandably.

689
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: So you know, it's we were talking about this yesterday.

690
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see both game plans because Mike

691
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: Rabel has experience in the big game as a player.

692
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: He coached in the AFC Championship.

693
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: He brought the Titans there like he's been deep in

694
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: the playoffs multiple times. Mike McDonald seemingly could be a

695
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: savant at defense. I mean he could be someone said

696
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: like he could be the Kyle Shanahan Sean McVay of defense.

697
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: We'll see this is his first crack at it. The

698
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: one thing that we don't know which is, you know,

699
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 3: kind of what we didn't know with McVeigh when it

700
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: was Patriots Rams. You know what twenty sixteen or well

701
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: whatever year that was, you seventeen, I think it was

702
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: the sixteen season.

703
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: I know this is Super Bowl sixty.

704
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: That's good for me, it is.

705
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: I think that at I think that what Sean McVay

706
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: said is that he had like paralysis by analysis or

707
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 3: analysis by paralysis. He overanalyzed what he did in terms

708
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: of having the two week break, and I think that

709
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: if you're Mike McDonald, you just got to stick to

710
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: the script. Seahawks have a great defense. You have one

711
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: of the best signings in free agency was DeMarcus Lawrence

712
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: moving on from the Cowboys, and he's incredible for the Seahawks.

713
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: And Leonard Williams is part of that team too.

714
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: Like they have a.

715
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: Really good defense, and you know, we'll see what happens.

716
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: I think it'll be an exciting matchup. Maybe not exciting

717
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 3: the first three quarterers, but towards the end of the

718
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: fourth quarter, you know, that could be fireworks.

719
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: Man. I'm glad you mentioned Leonard Williams because those dudes

720
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: invested their time here. They kind of grew up here

721
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: a little bit. When you're talking about Sam and Leonard,

722
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: and from my perspective, and I know a lot of

723
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: people in the building, they're still rooting for these guys

724
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: and we mentioned Sam before that Listen, sometimes it's not

725
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: a straight path. The lesson here is that maybe if

726
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: Sam doesn't go through all those experiences, he is not

727
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: where he is today. And I'm talking about the time

728
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: here with the Jets, the ups and downs. Then he

729
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: goes Dick Carolina. He's banged up a little bit, plays

730
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: a couple of years there. Then he finally lands in

731
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: San Francisco and has such a valuable experience under Shanahan

732
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: as brought perties backup quarterback. Then he gets a break

733
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: there in Minnesota, matched up with koc Kevin O'Connell, and

734
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: his career really takes off. And then finally he signs

735
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: a free agent contract with the Seattle Seahawks, who, oh,

736
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: by the way, like you mentioned, have an outstanding defense,

737
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: have everything starting to come together, who have drafted well,

738
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: have put pieces around him, have drafted one of the

739
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: best receivers in the league, Jackson Smith. The jigbut is crazy.

740
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's and Cooper Cup another free.

741
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: Agent edition, right, Rashi trained for him. So listen, there's

742
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: different ways of building a team. But I will tell

743
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: you this that Sam Darnold's bravo dude, because he stuck

744
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: with it, a lot of dudes probably wouldn't have stuck

745
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: with it like he did. And now he's on top,

746
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: and now he's sitting there facing the Patriots.

747
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: So and it could be a really cool, like Hollywood story.

748
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 3: I know people would say, like, oh, like, what when's

749
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: the thirty for thirty coming out?

750
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 2: But if you did a a.

751
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 3: Documentary piece on Sam getting drafted twenty years old, usc

752
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: what he endured his first couple of years of the league,

753
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: the ghost game against the Patriots.

754
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 2: Now having the chance to like debunk that. You rememb

755
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: remember the.

756
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: Week after the Ghost Game, Jets played the Jaguars. They're

757
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: playing like Ghostbusters after the Jags war. You're right, they

758
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: had the jag mascot like repel down with like a

759
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: ghost costume on.

760
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: Like say, it was like twenty one, twenty two years

761
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: old at the time.

762
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: So that like to go from that to potentially beating

763
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: the team obviously much different looking team, different coach and

764
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 3: different quarterback.

765
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: Everything about the Patriots is different.

766
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: But to go from that to potentially beating them would

767
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 3: be a really cool story.

768
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean there were moments along the way too

769
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: where you look back and said, this guy might he

770
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: might have it. We see it. You know that December

771
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: where he's shredding the Green Bay Packers through the air,

772
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: that game against the Houston Texans. I'll never forget it,

773
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: and things like that, and for whatever reason, anything come together,

774
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: all come together. But again, he improved at every stop.

775
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: He got different coaching along the way, infrastructure was set

776
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: up differently at these various stops, and again it's all

777
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: come together for him. And sometimes it doesn't happen overnight.

778
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: So the next time we're looking at people in the

779
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: National Football League or elsewhere and saying, ah, that guy

780
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: can't do it. Hey, And I'm talking more from a

781
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: fan perspective, because this regime has nothing to do with

782
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: the previous regime. Who traded Sam, who drafted Zach Wilson

783
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 1: and whatnot and things like that, Because I also think

784
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: for those guys, if they stuck with Sam, everybody on

785
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: the outside would have said, what are you doing?

786
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's the truth.

787
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: And Joe and Robert and those guys they did a

788
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: lot of good things here. I mean, that's the truth.

789
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes when it doesn't work, there's a ton of reasons why.

790
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: So the couple things come to mind, obviously, but before

791
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 3: we wrap up, but now now you're getting me going.

792
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 3: One is you know, if you're listening to this, and

793
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: I think you know a lot of analysts, national analysts

794
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 3: do this is like, oh, like that the Jets wish

795
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: that they had a guy like Sam Darnold. Okay, well,

796
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: you know, let's review the facts. Like you said, what

797
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: GM with the number two overall pick with a chance

798
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: to reset the contented with a chance. Like everyone talks

799
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: about how valuable the rookie deal is for the quarterback.

800
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: You have a new regime, you have everything there, Like

801
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: what GM wouldn't move on from a quarterback who candidly

802
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 3: did not have great stats?

803
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 2: Yes he did flash moments.

804
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: I've seen the play people putting out there of the

805
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: San Francisco forty nine ers touchdown in twenty twenty when

806
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: Sam's rolling left, he uncorks it across his body to Braxton.

807
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: Perfect throw, beautiful throw. Jets were down like thirty points

808
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: at that time in the end of the fourth quarter.

809
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 2: That's what that throw happened.

810
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So as much Sam is a fantastic human and

811
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: I am rooting for him, I just think that if

812
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: you're a fan the revisionist.

813
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 2: History stuff is real.

814
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: I also don't think that there are fans across all

815
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: thirty two teams, and definitely not Jets fans who would

816
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: wait seven years for a quarterback to have the year

817
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: that Sam Darnold had with Minnesota. As much as Sam

818
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: was a good New York Jet, what he stood for,

819
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: how great of a guy he is, like, unfortunately, he

820
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: just it was time for the Jets to move on.

821
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: And from a national perspective, if you're it's if you're saying, oh, well,

822
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: you know, the Jet should have never moved on from

823
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: Sam Darnald. I don't know if that if those people

824
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: would say that if he had the career or the

825
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: seasons he had in Carolina and then San Francisco, Like,

826
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: no analyst is waiting seven years for the number three

827
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: overall pick to throw for thirty five touchdowns and that

828
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: seemingly be the big jump. That's all I'm saying. With

829
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 3: all that being said, go Seahawks, go Sam Donald, Go

830
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: USC for Leonard USC. We're going there for Leonard for Sam.

831
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, big cat, listen in three years here, Sammy thirteen

832
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: and twenty five as a starter, thirteen and twenty five,

833
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: sixty percent passer, forty five touchdowns, thirty nine interceptions. Seattle

834
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: this year seventeen starts, fourteen and three passes for four

835
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: thousand yards, twenty five touchdown passes and fourteen interceptions. You

836
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: mentioned last year off the charts with Minnesota, the thirty

837
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: five touchdowns made again. Those guys have turned out to

838
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: be great football players. And we're gonna be tussling with

839
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots and this version of the Patriots for a

840
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: long time. Here are the Jets and they know they're

841
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: gonna have to They're gonna have to beat Frabel, They're

842
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: gonna have to beat Drake May. And with that being said,

843
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: go Seahawks this weekend.