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Speaker 1: just getting started, baby, just getting started. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: another Quarantine edition of All the Smoke. Well, my brother
Speaker 1: stack Jackson, my brother, my brother, my brother. Welcome back, Jesse.
Speaker 1: It's good to see you you too, my boy. I
Speaker 1: got a question, brok um, how come you used to
Speaker 1: rock that cop mustache all the time? That mustache that
Speaker 1: was like your go to What? What? What was going
Speaker 1: through your head when you just used to have just
Speaker 1: a straight CP mustache. It's a good story behind that. Well. See,
Speaker 1: I had gray hairs right here growing at an early
Speaker 1: age dog and right all of here my my gote areas,
Speaker 1: so I didn't want to wear a goatee, so I
Speaker 1: just kept the porn on mustache. It was nice and neat,
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah people liked it like I like making
Speaker 1: fun of it. I ain't really never been able to
Speaker 1: really grow no real real face your hair to make sense, either,
Speaker 1: but you had just she has shaved up and it
Speaker 1: went right to the court like a real cop, like
Speaker 1: I was to call a couple of times with you. You
Speaker 1: You called the Durran Jeremy. Your ship was thinner than
Speaker 1: your ship was thinner than his. Though. Hey man, you
Speaker 1: got a special guess, man, something that you've you've known
Speaker 1: for a long time of want I want to give
Speaker 1: you the honors man, introduce your man all right? Man,
Speaker 1: say man, I got to introduce my brother, um, one
Speaker 1: of the realest cats to ever touch of football. I
Speaker 1: call him Baby Dion Saunders. Been a friend of mine
Speaker 1: for a long time. Man, the honorable. Everybody gonna love
Speaker 1: this episode. Everybody's been asking to have him on. My
Speaker 1: brother Adam pac Man, Jones pac Man, welcome, appreciate man.
Speaker 1: What's up? What's going on? What's up with you? My boy? Man?
Speaker 1: I can't call him man. Bless them quarantine days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're all doing that right now. Jesus Christ. Hey man,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming out. But what you're going what you
Speaker 1: got going on? Right now? Man? I know, like everybody
Speaker 1: quarantine right now? How's the family? How everything? You know?
Speaker 1: I know you've been retired. You no, you're doing the
Speaker 1: golf life. Tell me what you got going on right now.
Speaker 1: Some retirement, by the way, Cort, some retirement, man, I appreciate.
Speaker 1: I appreciate. Man. Years Yeah, fifteen years. They gave me
Speaker 1: credit for thirteen, but fifteen really but through the up
Speaker 1: and down too. Yeah. But you know, I'm just enjoying
Speaker 1: these kids, man. I know my my daughter's there being
Speaker 1: out of school. So we had a comic book that
Speaker 1: we had put together called Action Pack, and so the
Speaker 1: kids didn't have to work at first. So we passed
Speaker 1: this out in the community, over three hundred books so
Speaker 1: the kids can have something to do. You guys created
Speaker 1: you guys created the book. Yeah from scratch, man, we
Speaker 1: had We worked with a couple of artists. Um as
Speaker 1: you can see, but um yeah, man, and my wife
Speaker 1: we did this totally. She came up with the whole storyline.
Speaker 1: I drew somebody kept most of the characters in here.
Speaker 1: And it's a good book, man. It's it's talk talking
Speaker 1: about anti bullying, treating people how you want to be treated.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, man play to
Speaker 1: win the game. Yeah yeah, I love I love that
Speaker 1: because I think you looked at in the similar eyes
Speaker 1: of myself and Jack Wild looked at it as someone
Speaker 1: who was miss misconstrued. And they have they have a
Speaker 1: perception of who they think you are because they see
Speaker 1: the bullshit clippings only when bad ship happens, and then
Speaker 1: they don't get a chance to know the real person.
Speaker 1: And I think, I said, Jack and I have something.
Speaker 1: Jack and I have gone through. Uh and and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you're in the similar shoes with that. But but
Speaker 1: but but seeing stuff you're doing with the kids and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Um, I love showing that side because,
Speaker 1: like I said, not enough time. It's only the bullshit
Speaker 1: that gets recognized. They never get to see peel back
Speaker 1: the layers and see what we really got going on.
Speaker 1: You know, that's how they want to do though. Man,
Speaker 1: you know they're not gonna show like the three hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty bikes that we have given out the last
Speaker 1: thirteen years here in Cincinnati. Um, in the NN city.
Speaker 1: You know, we've done so much. We've gave three scholarships.
Speaker 1: I had some loyal fans here that stuck with me
Speaker 1: through thinking. Then you know when when when she was
Speaker 1: hitting the fans and everybody was saying, oh, this is
Speaker 1: gonna happen that was gonna happen, you know. Um me personally,
Speaker 1: I think Mr Brown, we didn't. We didn't end it
Speaker 1: the way that we wanted to end. But he was
Speaker 1: very loyal to me man and stuck by me a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty percent. And um they had a lot
Speaker 1: to do with Coach Mark too. So like I'm home
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati for me. I know, I'm from Atlanta. UM,
Speaker 1: I love Atlanta. I go to Atlanta often, still have
Speaker 1: a home in Atlanta, but Cincinnati is home to me
Speaker 1: and I love the community or I love what I'm
Speaker 1: building here. I'm working on different adventures in the city
Speaker 1: and have a restaurant, UM, working on some property, doing
Speaker 1: this and doing that, and don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: guys around me that's heaving me. Um, just trying to
Speaker 1: build what I'm trying to do. So you don't get
Speaker 1: that in certain cities. I'm like, I know Atlanta, I
Speaker 1: love Atlanta, but I can't go and build the relationship
Speaker 1: that I've built here over the last ten years. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean I trust me. I know he like too,
Speaker 1: but I got here. I know you ain't know he
Speaker 1: can't move about here and you know it gets to
Speaker 1: a point in time where these kids is what you're
Speaker 1: living from. Man. I know, like I love waking up
Speaker 1: every morning hear my son streaming from upstairs, Adam Jones.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm I get a thrill of right now,
Speaker 1: you know, man, father, Yeah, tell me what that slide.
Speaker 1: Because I was you know, I played you know, fifteen
Speaker 1: years and had a had a contract for two more years,
Speaker 1: but I happened to luck up and when the championship
Speaker 1: will Golden State, and I retired early because I wanted
Speaker 1: to do just that. I wanted to spend more time
Speaker 1: with my kids. I felt like I was missing a
Speaker 1: lot of important times in their lives because I was
Speaker 1: in one city there and another. So talk to me
Speaker 1: about what retirements like, because that's to me, that's the
Speaker 1: best part, is being able to get up every day
Speaker 1: and be with your kids. UM See, I come from
Speaker 1: the broken background, so I've always wanted to have a structure,
Speaker 1: you know, household, you know what I mean as far
Speaker 1: as a wife, kids, growing up, being in your kids life.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Because I didn't have that.
Speaker 1: Um and I you realize you're like, damn, man, I'm
Speaker 1: missing so much time and thank god. I had two
Speaker 1: girls first, you know what I mean, So I kind
Speaker 1: of got spoiled and and had my son last. So
Speaker 1: I get to see, you know, the first time you
Speaker 1: get to go to the you know, the first time
Speaker 1: you know, he waking up screaming, Adam Jones. You know.
Speaker 1: So we run. We're running Foe Withers together every day.
Speaker 1: So it's a venture just to be and watch and
Speaker 1: see the growth and see like, hey man, I wanted
Speaker 1: to be like that bad so you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like the other day he set up a ball in
Speaker 1: the living room, the little tea ball thing, and it
Speaker 1: was it wasn't the tea ball, but it was a
Speaker 1: dodge ball smack boom buzz. Wanted to look glass. But
Speaker 1: you know, in two years old, everything that you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, But like it's amazing man, and and
Speaker 1: and that's probably the biggest feeling in the world, you know,
Speaker 1: besides running off in that tone, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and eager to see like damn, I want to see
Speaker 1: how good he could be, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's moment you can't get back, bro. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that that's price that's prices moments,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what you're doing it for. Men. Like
Speaker 1: you said, we come from broken homes. You know me,
Speaker 1: you broke come from broken homes. I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: have my father, And obviously, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have all my kids in the house.
Speaker 1: But just being uh, you know what I'm say, having
Speaker 1: those experiences with him, you know what I'm saying, knowing
Speaker 1: that you didn't have them with your father, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that means a lot to me. So
Speaker 1: I understand totally where you're coming from. But beside, besides
Speaker 1: your kids, I don't know if any kids play sports,
Speaker 1: but you do camps, You do all kind of stuff
Speaker 1: involving kids. Talk about that. Oh yeah, so um, I
Speaker 1: do all of well most of the camps because all
Speaker 1: of a sudden want them. And Dion is my father,
Speaker 1: like a father figure to me. Or we just had
Speaker 1: him all, we just had him all. Whatever you want
Speaker 1: to say, like um, like I bleed, breede, bleed and
Speaker 1: sleep whatever that man says right there. But he's a
Speaker 1: great person to me. He always been there for me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He was some Most of
Speaker 1: the success that I've had in my lady career comes
Speaker 1: from what he's done from me and the jobs I've got,
Speaker 1: you know, the phone calls and relationship, you know, because
Speaker 1: it was the time, you know, like nobody wanted to
Speaker 1: take a chance on me, back on you. I went
Speaker 1: with D. I stayed with D for like two months.
Speaker 1: He called Mike Zamber, called Mike Zamber. I came here
Speaker 1: and worked out with the Bengals where actually he called
Speaker 1: him the first time and called me. He's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: they want you to come right now if you want
Speaker 1: to work out. Like man, Bro, I've been out for
Speaker 1: a whole year. I ain't need no shape to workout.
Speaker 1: And he was like, Yo, you're gonna tell them you
Speaker 1: ain't gonna work out. So I was like, yeah, I go.
Speaker 1: So I came up to Cincinnati. Bro. It was twenty
Speaker 1: two degrees. Bro just had seven inches of snow they
Speaker 1: shove have on the field. Off its like, come on,
Speaker 1: let's go with me. I'll never forget this was me,
Speaker 1: uh the Jones kid, the wine receiver who came from
Speaker 1: the jag wars Man. It was so called. I didn't
Speaker 1: even finished the workout, so I end up I lived
Speaker 1: so so ZM and ZM and he brom in there.
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, I'm just saying them Marvleman. He say, look,
Speaker 1: you got three weeks, man, We're gonna bring you back
Speaker 1: in three weeks. You better be ready in three weeks.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have worked out for three weeks. And
Speaker 1: that that started my story here back in two thousand nine.
Speaker 1: But if I wanted to have the relationship with with Dion,
Speaker 1: if if I wasn't taking the time to set up
Speaker 1: different things and treat people right, you never know who
Speaker 1: you're gonna need, you know what I mean. And and
Speaker 1: that's what I try to teach my kids, like you
Speaker 1: never know, like it can be, you would never you
Speaker 1: would never know who knows who know? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, for instance, I was doing the wrestling right,
Speaker 1: so the lazy the lady who owned ten A was Dixie.
Speaker 1: So Dixie was best friends with Jerry Jones. That's how
Speaker 1: I got the Dallas. She asked, I can't, I cannot
Speaker 1: make this up. She said, If you could choose one
Speaker 1: team who you want to play for? I said, the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Swear to God, God strike me down right now. The
Speaker 1: next day I had Jerry on the phone. He was like,
Speaker 1: so you really want to come here? Like, yeah, now
Speaker 1: I was in Dallas like two months before anybody knew that.
Speaker 1: I don't even going to Dallas, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Always had in prosper Texas, man, Like, so like every
Speaker 1: my life has been like because you know, I had
Speaker 1: mother and down like and I ain't shoying away from
Speaker 1: I like fighting, I've had this and that go on.
Speaker 1: But like the people that that I've treated and the
Speaker 1: people that I've met, I would say that I built
Speaker 1: relationship to it just because of how you treat people. Man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know at that time, I had been suspending the
Speaker 1: whole year, you know what I mean, Like really I
Speaker 1: was thinking, like do I really want to do this again?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Right? Is it worth going
Speaker 1: through all that ship again? Yeah? We you know, we
Speaker 1: were similar, you know, you know with the broad ship
Speaker 1: with me. You know, I know I missed at least
Speaker 1: three solid All Star games just because I ran into
Speaker 1: the stands and patched the fan. They stopped looking at
Speaker 1: my play just like they did. You. It's not looking
Speaker 1: at everything you've done. They stopped looking at your play.
Speaker 1: My Ricky. Yeah, I was Ricky of the Year. Well
Speaker 1: I ain't made defense Rickie year, but I was Special
Speaker 1: Team Ricky of the Year. My second year, I was
Speaker 1: second team All Pro. I had just was I was
Speaker 1: just buying the sign a sixty million dollar extension. And
Speaker 1: then that's when I got in Trumble in Vegas. Then
Speaker 1: so I get in Trumpor and Vegas and missed two
Speaker 1: of my prime years. I was twenty three, twenty four,
Speaker 1: twenty five. I came back at twenty I think six
Speaker 1: when I went to Dallas. Dallas now twenty four when
Speaker 1: I wanted to twenty five when I went to Delas.
Speaker 1: When I went to Dallas, I think, But like, I
Speaker 1: missed a lot of my prime Like where when I
Speaker 1: was I could wake up in the morning and run
Speaker 1: FO to five with just like without scretching and not
Speaker 1: doing nothing. You know what I'm saying. That's why I
Speaker 1: called him baby D. That's why I called him baby D.
Speaker 1: Like like I said, I've been knowing I've been knowing
Speaker 1: him for a while, you know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: know a lot of the same people. A lot of
Speaker 1: home was around the A. But I've been on I've
Speaker 1: been called I've been calling that baby deal. But like
Speaker 1: I said, we we are very similar, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We went, we went through a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: but that that that's not who we are, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's good. That's one reason why I
Speaker 1: wanted to have you on the show. Just like I
Speaker 1: told you, you know, I was out the side Jack,
Speaker 1: we came back and bold in all later careers though exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah we came We were making all pro and probos
Speaker 1: at thirty two years old. Man, yeah, yeah, yes, sir, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: don't stop when it rang. Come on, man, y'all touch on.
Speaker 1: How y'all met. We met through mutual friends though we
Speaker 1: was always seeing each other out though in the streets.
Speaker 1: That was that the same thing I said always and
Speaker 1: like we bunned it because like how they was with
Speaker 1: me is how they was with Jack, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like we yeah, we didn't demand the respect,
Speaker 1: but I would say, like we had respect of the
Speaker 1: same guy that was in the street doing what they
Speaker 1: wanted to do, you know what I mean. Like exactly
Speaker 1: we was. We was in the city when it was
Speaker 1: the real age. Yeah, being and all that it's being
Speaker 1: me and pac Man exactly. Yeah, facts, Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: the days we had. We had some days by doing
Speaker 1: some good days though. Yeah, but um, it's a different
Speaker 1: breed now though. These young kids don't have no, no
Speaker 1: sense of respect of lords if you ask me, man like,
Speaker 1: like we grew up like kids and women was off limits,
Speaker 1: like period, point blank. Like you must respect women, you
Speaker 1: must respect the kids. And like these days where they
Speaker 1: don't care about nothing around here, nothing looking, nothing at all,
Speaker 1: and it's clear to see out here too. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so mean how you gutt? I was gonna say, tell
Speaker 1: me how you're off, because I know how it changed me.
Speaker 1: I know how it changed Jack. Tell me how you're
Speaker 1: off the field ups and downs? Uh help shape you
Speaker 1: into being over to, like you said, focus and come
Speaker 1: back lady in your career and still kind of be
Speaker 1: so much further head mentally, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You were still able to perform at a high level
Speaker 1: because you would down with it, meant to be mentally
Speaker 1: locked in. But I think a lot of the ship
Speaker 1: me personally off the court helped me do that later
Speaker 1: in my career, all that you made in my legend. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, at first, like well, I'm gonna speak
Speaker 1: for myself, like like I come from ship, so like
Speaker 1: I got drafted years old. You didn't say I was
Speaker 1: the first defensive player pick man, I had so many
Speaker 1: shysters around me, Like it's so moving so fast, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I never and I ain't had
Speaker 1: no kids at that time, so like it was play football,
Speaker 1: take him a party. Yeah, I'm saying yeah that as
Speaker 1: a kid, you know, because think about it, man, all right,
Speaker 1: you grow up playing with kids. I'm the only child.
Speaker 1: You grow up with these playing football with these kids,
Speaker 1: so used to being around kids. You go to college,
Speaker 1: I mean high school. Guess what, you around some oat kids,
Speaker 1: all your football homes, all your basketball homes. Then you
Speaker 1: the college or then you're definitely around your homeboys. Then
Speaker 1: you go to the league. Then they say, don't keep
Speaker 1: your homeboys around him. How the hell are you gonna
Speaker 1: tell a kid that that's so used to a certain colt,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And however, and then just say, hey,
Speaker 1: you cannot post. You ain't supposed to do that at all.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm impossible. It's impossible, but it's a way
Speaker 1: to to give and and and and and let go
Speaker 1: but it takes time, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying, Like if you wanted for
Speaker 1: my kids, but I can. I don't even know where
Speaker 1: i'd be right now to you that you because I
Speaker 1: would just living to leave at one point. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I want to living for nobody else.
Speaker 1: But when you have them kids, they open up your eyes.
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know too many that ma I can call on.
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying, Like my my family is small,
Speaker 1: Like I'm the oldest male on my dad's side. My
Speaker 1: mom got five brothers and sisters. I mean five, it's
Speaker 1: five of them. And all besides that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, My grandmother and granddad had gonna passed away.
Speaker 1: We got cousins and nieces. But like um mentally, Hi,
Speaker 1: I see, like my kids all I've gotten. You get
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I refused to let them down
Speaker 1: when it comes any form of fashion. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But back then, we weren't thinking about that. Man,
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm thinking about kids. I don't even think
Speaker 1: about having no kids, not at all. You know. I
Speaker 1: was like and like you were saying, we grew up
Speaker 1: in the house and no farther. So I said this
Speaker 1: all the time. A lot of stuff that we our
Speaker 1: funk ups and mishaps in life of the stuff that
Speaker 1: we have to learn on the fly because we weren't
Speaker 1: taught it. You know what I'm saying, coming coming from nothing,
Speaker 1: that comes from nothing to having all this money. How
Speaker 1: we are? How are we told to haw? I do right?
Speaker 1: I'll try to keep everybody happy with this is all
Speaker 1: throwing at us is one time. And that's another reason
Speaker 1: why I kill Lebron is credit because like just some
Speaker 1: football and basketball is all the same. We all try
Speaker 1: to bring our homeboys along and get it done right
Speaker 1: and put them all the place to win. Lebron is
Speaker 1: the first person to do it right. And we've both
Speaker 1: been brought and tried to bring out our homeboys along
Speaker 1: and do the same thing. Man, I salute bro, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But boys know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I wish I was but work. Like I was trying
Speaker 1: to think out how to stay alive. My daddy got
Speaker 1: in front of me. You know, like little mental things
Speaker 1: that you tell me about that, do tell me about that?
Speaker 1: Nobody know like I'm bipolar, but I've never told nobody
Speaker 1: nothing about my bipolar because I didn't want it to
Speaker 1: interfere with nothing else. You get what I'm saying, But
Speaker 1: different things that I've dealt with on the fly and
Speaker 1: only between me, my household, my wife, and my doctors.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean that people don't understand, Like
Speaker 1: why ain't it just so short fused? And you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, It takes time to figure out a Look, man,
Speaker 1: I need to sit back and cheer for a second.
Speaker 1: Or this ain't This ain't the kind of surrounded that
Speaker 1: I want to be in. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Or this is not what I want to lose to
Speaker 1: for that over there. You get what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I love it take times, bro. And and when I
Speaker 1: was playing football, I ain't want to take no medicine
Speaker 1: because I didn't want it to take away from my
Speaker 1: my passion for what I was doing. You get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Damn where we came here to him, I
Speaker 1: want to take the messing hill. No, I ain't taking
Speaker 1: the medicine when I'm playing at the top level, and
Speaker 1: I ain't never took this. And then you're gonna till
Speaker 1: me to take someone. I'm playing at the top level
Speaker 1: I ever played that. I now you want to say,
Speaker 1: hey man, you might need to take us nowhere in
Speaker 1: hell like if it ain't broke, don't get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you I got to figure out, hey, look, how
Speaker 1: I want to make this work too. I figured out, hey,
Speaker 1: look that it's time to move on from this and
Speaker 1: get my life together with me and my kids and
Speaker 1: my family. You get what I'm saying. So it takes
Speaker 1: time and and and for each his own. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody ain't gonna do it the way they that they
Speaker 1: rolled playing. But I'm not here to judge nobody. But like,
Speaker 1: as long as you figured out my mama, so I'm happy,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm content, like my kids
Speaker 1: were good. Um, I got everything I want. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Pretty much? You know what I man,
Speaker 1: I got great relationship with my family like I ain't.
Speaker 1: I ain't got no no, no, no problems, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So life is good over here. Man,
Speaker 1: bro I didn't that's my first time here. As long
Speaker 1: as ever then I ain't know you're seeing your pops
Speaker 1: pass in front of you yeah, yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I didn't know that. I just did. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't talk about it too much, but I did
Speaker 1: a couple of speeches like I did, and I had
Speaker 1: my thing when I did it with d n Um,
Speaker 1: I opened up and told my host story there. I've
Speaker 1: done it probably two times at the camps. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you might share that story with us. Oh no, um, everybody.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Burnka Bankake projects with them from
Speaker 1: um my west side, that's the west side. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say west side. You know, that's where I live.
Speaker 1: That's that's why I left side. He kept up with
Speaker 1: the tea each other and that's where I lived there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: west side. They changed the holloway now when I was
Speaker 1: living that Yeah, yeah, they they don't clean it up now.
Speaker 1: But like if you Louis blue Flame, make that live
Speaker 1: grow over the bridge all this bank Kid over there.
Speaker 1: And then I moved from bank Kid the boat where
Speaker 1: a boat right, Well it might be worse than Bankhead
Speaker 1: really to tell you the truth. But Apostle just moving
Speaker 1: too fast man and ran off on the wrong person.
Speaker 1: And um, we was all outside and they came up
Speaker 1: and Brown to build it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: shot right in his head. My head looked like a
Speaker 1: water millon um and yeah. Then yeah, my uncle died
Speaker 1: a year later after that, and then my other uncle
Speaker 1: got stabbed on the plus of the year that I said, Man,
Speaker 1: all these nigga got bad, look man, and um, I
Speaker 1: didn't go for my twenty one fifth birthday, Bro, I
Speaker 1: didn't go nowhere, like no, my wife. We stayed in
Speaker 1: the house and did what we did, but we didn't
Speaker 1: go nowhere because it was the soul of a pivotal point,
Speaker 1: you know, in my life, because none of them made
Speaker 1: to see twenty five mm hm non nom yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So and then like that that that came with some
Speaker 1: of the anger and in the frustration and not learning
Speaker 1: how to deal with it because I didn't have the tools,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We was in the project.
Speaker 1: My grandmother didn't have the fucking tools to take me
Speaker 1: to go and see a motherfucker that I can talk
Speaker 1: to it with, you know what I'm saying. So it
Speaker 1: was a go out ahead, take your stretch out with these.
Speaker 1: So anybody who wanted y'all come on. So like not
Speaker 1: just being a bullet, but it was just it was yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: not not not like they're going picking on picking on nobody.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying that, but I'm just saying like if
Speaker 1: it got time like any a birth put him up,
Speaker 1: like if you would have got any problems like but
Speaker 1: and then you it's some time though, But I'm telling
Speaker 1: you where like I used to fight, like I used
Speaker 1: to get paid to go and fighting other neighborhoods. Like
Speaker 1: its crazy, but that's a whole. But I think it's
Speaker 1: it's crazy because they never they never know, like you
Speaker 1: touched on we touched on this before. When we do flash,
Speaker 1: they never take the time to ask why or figure
Speaker 1: out why. It's just a he's a bad he's he
Speaker 1: started labeling you. He's a bad person, he's this, he's that,
Speaker 1: not knowing that that that past has a lot to
Speaker 1: do obviously with who we are as met I got outlets, no,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I got stuff that I
Speaker 1: could see, the triggers that theyn't gonna talk to somebody,
Speaker 1: Hey man, look this this is right. He don't feel right. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's how I'm feeling about this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But when you don't have no outlets and nothing else
Speaker 1: to dud would think about everything. Oh, day's setting up
Speaker 1: in a room that then the same size as the
Speaker 1: jail cell, you know what I mean, and then getting
Speaker 1: the going outside. So you know, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: that that's an excuse. And then you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that people did with it. People did
Speaker 1: with it in different ways. Man, that's all. Yeah. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: let's let's lets let's payot the basketball. Let's let let's
Speaker 1: pat the basketball. I appreciate you sharing that story with
Speaker 1: you about about your pops, bro. That was you didn't know,
Speaker 1: you didn't have to, but I appreciate you sharing that
Speaker 1: with us basketball. Who you're team in basketball. I know
Speaker 1: you watched basketball a lot. I know you hooped a
Speaker 1: little bit too. Right. He was an All American in
Speaker 1: high school basketball, right, he was? He was, he was
Speaker 1: he was last say, two national championships. Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was athletes. Yeah, I love it, alright. So the honest
Speaker 1: truth is you're gonna fish I go wherever Lebron go.
Speaker 1: Ain't surprised very point blame you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: everywhere Brian go I go. And I've been successful with
Speaker 1: doing that. So yeah, this is the first time. My
Speaker 1: household have a length of jergy on. My wife is
Speaker 1: a leak of fan, and this is ship so unbelievable
Speaker 1: that the season is over with right now because he
Speaker 1: was on the same thing. Yea, yeah, we all, we all,
Speaker 1: we all mad this season no basketball. Man, We're like
Speaker 1: guy like Deance, We're glad that ain't happen to the
Speaker 1: football seas, but not having basketball that's kind of messing
Speaker 1: everybody up. So we're trying to you know, feel that
Speaker 1: feel all the basket about MS boys with this show.
Speaker 1: So you're helping the coming out. I appreciate you. Man. Man,
Speaker 1: that's just crazy to show you, like how much sports
Speaker 1: plays into not just like everybody going to the NBA.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this in life. You know what, people
Speaker 1: carping together, getting stuff done. You know. Um, you know
Speaker 1: I don't catch you. Y'all got some teammates just running
Speaker 1: some fortunate five hundred companies. You grew up. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? That you play you with you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Um, But like sports is an outlet
Speaker 1: to everything, man, You know what I mean, any and everything.
Speaker 1: If you ask me who you got winning it? And
Speaker 1: with basketball, yeah, who you got it? Comes back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like with brun having these couple of weeks off and
Speaker 1: a d having even Oh man, come man, that's that's
Speaker 1: what I said, talk to talk to him. Pack gonna
Speaker 1: be about the ram man. I just yea to clip.
Speaker 1: But you said the clips did Lakers and I grew up.
Speaker 1: I'm a Laker fan at the heart, But I feel
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be the Clippers. I just think the
Speaker 1: Clippers have a little bit more. Why wouldn't to me, whoever,
Speaker 1: whoever big the White's been big for him come out
Speaker 1: right now? Yeah, yeah, now he's he's he's that key key.
Speaker 1: I would keep people that whoever wein't gonna come out
Speaker 1: of l A. I would, yeah, I think, But I
Speaker 1: just I just don't think. I just don't think them
Speaker 1: boils over. They got no juice when they come down
Speaker 1: to it. M hm. He did it one time, but
Speaker 1: he didn't do it with them. We're gonna see, we're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna Hey talk about talk about cannabis in sports,
Speaker 1: and I know you're involved in the cannabis business a
Speaker 1: little bit. Is that something you did while you played,
Speaker 1: because you know, Jack and I are big advocates on it.
Speaker 1: We spoke during all throughout our careers, and we we
Speaker 1: like knowing if other people at the highest level did
Speaker 1: as well. Um, I've never stopped smoking, and none of
Speaker 1: my not not one time I've played. I've smoked before
Speaker 1: every game I go home, give me one in them
Speaker 1: if we If we play at one o'clock, I hit
Speaker 1: one of eight thirty, I'm ready to go. Um we
Speaker 1: play a night game, I only hit one at two o'clock,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. But like I'm so happy, like
Speaker 1: here and on, how y'all have medical Marijuanda, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? But I read a smoke weed and
Speaker 1: take two hundred purposes anything, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And because they're giving out the purposes that you can
Speaker 1: get them by the hunting, I mean by the month.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Hercus and that's that's that's
Speaker 1: doing way mold and it's drawing your body eyes doing everything.
Speaker 1: One cool question, I forgot to actually pack your favorite matchups?
Speaker 1: My favorite matchup, like we want to hear them all?
Speaker 1: Non no, give us, give us, give us all of them.
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown was my favorite matchup man be and um,
Speaker 1: he don't got me a couple of times. But I
Speaker 1: don't got him too though, but I'm like they're talking
Speaker 1: to I'm like the player. Yeah, I'm like the only
Speaker 1: player that's gonna kept him like up on the huney
Speaker 1: of Y's like at least five six times. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You know what what you know what's
Speaker 1: he hears is you're gonna get him talking. I know
Speaker 1: that's my boy. Man. I love the rondo against him.
Speaker 1: His highlight highlight. Really, he double moved me one time
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh UM, and we was in the zero blitz
Speaker 1: and I jumped he probably I jumped it on that one,
Speaker 1: but I gotta pick on the only probably game later
Speaker 1: in the same courage when being tried to throw a slant.
Speaker 1: So you know, give me go. I love right um
Speaker 1: the ho ho who used to play with the Texans
Speaker 1: who just went to um yeah, where you go to Arizona. Man,
Speaker 1: that used to be like one of my favorite favorite
Speaker 1: matchups because man, we would fight the whole game. Like
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at our games, like
Speaker 1: we wouldn't fight the whole game. But man, he was
Speaker 1: a dog too. Uh men teo um. When I played
Speaker 1: at Dallas, like I followed to Yo the whole camp
Speaker 1: in Dallas, and like they only showed to show the
Speaker 1: parts what he wont But I got TiO as a
Speaker 1: couple of times too. Um he big yeah yeah yeah um.
Speaker 1: And then last probably be uh Jimmie Smith when he
Speaker 1: played with the Jaguar. Yeah, yeah, he was sweet. I
Speaker 1: used to call him sweet Jimmy boy. He ran some
Speaker 1: of the best routes and like I played against him
Speaker 1: my first two years and um, like I would study
Speaker 1: Jimmy like man I and he killed me the first
Speaker 1: time I played with him. Oh my god, it beat
Speaker 1: us by like seven, but I had a bad game
Speaker 1: and I came back and had a punt return and
Speaker 1: to pick the last the last time we played him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Jamie Smith was he was he was. He
Speaker 1: was nice. He was really nice. Who you feel like
Speaker 1: the best receiver in the game is right now you're
Speaker 1: saying right now? When I played, like who my top five?
Speaker 1: You said right now? Right now? Yeah, right now? I
Speaker 1: would say Julio German is the best receiving in nfit
Speaker 1: by far. Big would be, that would be my choice
Speaker 1: to by far. It ain't nobody that can't go on
Speaker 1: guard Julio right now, one on one yeah, you can't.
Speaker 1: Not one coma not one where you can say I'm
Speaker 1: putting you over there and I ain't getting you know, hill,
Speaker 1: I ain't not, I ain't. Not one can do it
Speaker 1: right now? Who feel like the top dB in the
Speaker 1: game is right now? Oh God, that's a hard choice.
Speaker 1: The boy from the Patriots is good. Gil More. I
Speaker 1: think it's Gilmore, Yeah, get more, it's gil Moore Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think him was the best out there. Lest you.
Speaker 1: But bro, it's some much sloppy corner corners didn't played
Speaker 1: right now. It's it's it's hard to get a like
Speaker 1: a top group because it all depends on like what
Speaker 1: system you and you get what I'm saying, So I
Speaker 1: would I'm saying, even though everybody's gonna say Sherman, don't
Speaker 1: play Man and Man, Sherman is the top corner because
Speaker 1: he's the top player in that system. Like it's not
Speaker 1: too many corners that can go up and play that
Speaker 1: cover three man scheme that that he plays and that
Speaker 1: can play a better them. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If you go to Man the Man, they'd be like
Speaker 1: all right, they'd be like the Reverieves was one of
Speaker 1: the best man on man corners without no help, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's different corners that's in
Speaker 1: in different schemes. So that's that a lot of corners
Speaker 1: that's in the cover three schemes cannot play in the
Speaker 1: Man the man skin, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: that's why you see some corners don't blossom to they
Speaker 1: go somewhere else black. It ain't that he won five,
Speaker 1: it was just he he better playing and it was
Speaker 1: a man and man or yeah, cover too, because you
Speaker 1: got realized some colleges don't even play man the man.
Speaker 1: And then you got the big schools like O, how
Speaker 1: your state you got, uh, Georgia, you got um Alabama.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying Alabama, like all them they running postile defense.
Speaker 1: So them kids out there playing man and man every
Speaker 1: dayn play, you know what I'm saying. Now, every now
Speaker 1: and then they get a cover to a cover of
Speaker 1: three in there, but them kids playing man to man.
Speaker 1: So that'd be that would be the difference when they
Speaker 1: get Before we get out of here, what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Obviously when you came in, you came into
Speaker 1: oh five right now's your rookie year. Yeah, obviously the
Speaker 1: physicality of the game has changed similar to basketball, obviously,
Speaker 1: and you got on the NFL's a larger schedule because
Speaker 1: you guys are actually really hitting. But as far as
Speaker 1: physical playing defenses and guys having to kind of completely
Speaker 1: change the way you guys grew up playing and tackling
Speaker 1: and all this kind of ship, where do you feel
Speaker 1: like the safety stuff is and how I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like it's unfair to the defense. What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that? All? Right, Well, the safety this ship
Speaker 1: is at all time high because you can't even touch
Speaker 1: the motherfucker right now. Yeah, as far as as far
Speaker 1: as defense wise, it's sad. But all you can do
Speaker 1: is take their knees out, and then they get mad
Speaker 1: like you're doing something wrong when you take their knees out.
Speaker 1: So you can watch the game, Well, guys bend the
Speaker 1: corner and somebody swap their knews out and they getting mad.
Speaker 1: But like, what you want me to do? You either
Speaker 1: want me to hit you how and get fine fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand or hit you low. Like I had the conversation
Speaker 1: with one Tends the other day, like, and I was
Speaker 1: talking about like, te I know you don't like hitting
Speaker 1: people low. But you gotta start doing that, like because
Speaker 1: every time you hit them high, they're dunk in anyway.
Speaker 1: You know, time to time he coming, they're doing this anyway.
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying. So if he if he already,
Speaker 1: if he already, if he already coming, and they shoulders
Speaker 1: and they dunking automatically, gonn hit him in the head.
Speaker 1: So I said, man, you gotta start just going to
Speaker 1: text standing a low low from waist down. And it's
Speaker 1: it's sad, but that's where the game comes to. And
Speaker 1: do I think it's more safer because it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot more concussion from from knee injuries and from
Speaker 1: people you know what I mean, like and not seeing
Speaker 1: what you hit. That's how you breaking neck when you're
Speaker 1: ducking down and not getting to see what you hit.
Speaker 1: So everybody is not gonna go from tapping and hit
Speaker 1: somebody straight face to face in their knees. Like it's
Speaker 1: a hard way to taple. You get what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But you have you have to make your adjustment. But
Speaker 1: the game is safe now. I think, um good hell
Speaker 1: them have have done a great job of making it safe.
Speaker 1: It's it's touch football compared to what we was, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hey man, Well that's a wrap. Man. We appreciate. Like
Speaker 1: you said, we want to have you in studios, so
Speaker 1: we don't want to do too much. We want to
Speaker 1: really dig and get down to the real ship when
Speaker 1: you when you come in studio. Whats all this clus up? Man,
Speaker 1: So we want to thank you for your time today
Speaker 1: and joining us on the show. Oh good, my boy.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you all for having me man. Man, thanks Bro.
Speaker 1: Anything you need you know how to let me, Bro.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, man. You know what it is. Baby.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go I and win my little money on
Speaker 1: this golf course. All right, bro, Al right, man, that's
Speaker 1: a wrap. Appreciate pac Man, Jone's Jack. Good show, Bro,
Speaker 1: Good job, my boy. And you can find this episode
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