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Speaker 1: Warning, this podcast contains spoilers for Shee holc episode four

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Speaker 1: and House of the Dragon episode three.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Rosie Knight, and welcome to x

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Speaker 1: ray Vision, the Crooked podcast where we deep dive into

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. You may

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Speaker 1: have noticed that I am introducing the show, not the

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Speaker 1: amazing Jason Concepcion, who is on vacation currently. But don't

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Speaker 1: worry because he's joining us in the airlock for House

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Speaker 1: of the Dragon episode three, then for ASDA Master Round four.

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Speaker 3: In the Hive Mind, I get the absolute joy.

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Speaker 1: Of talking she Holk episode four with Sheeahawk writer and

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Speaker 1: x ray Vision co host and Emmy nominee Cody Ziggler.

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Speaker 1: If you want to jump around, you know the deal.

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Speaker 1: Check the show notes for time stamps and joining me

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Speaker 1: today only the House of the Dragon and Asta Mesta

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Speaker 1: is the wonderful Jason Conception.

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Speaker 3: So let's get to it.

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Speaker 2: We're stepping out of the airlock and onto the beautiful stepstones.

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Speaker 4: How wonderful this time of year?

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Speaker 2: On the Stepstones to discuss House of the Dragon episode three.

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Speaker 2: Second of His Name written by Gabe Fonseca and Ryan

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Speaker 2: Condall and directed by Greg Yatani's We open on the Stepstones,

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Speaker 2: where war rages. Damon and Corliss rule the air. They

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Speaker 2: have dragons, there are boats burning, but the crab Feeder,

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Speaker 2: unfortunately kind of a smart guy.

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Speaker 4: When the dragon, very smart man.

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Speaker 2: And when the dragons approach, the crab Feeder goes back

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Speaker 2: into his crab cave with his men and they just

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Speaker 2: wait and they shelter, and they've been doing this for years. Damon,

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Speaker 2: frustrated as he is, does the classic thing that all

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Speaker 2: nobles in Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon Era

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Speaker 2: who are losing, say, which is fight me, one on one,

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Speaker 2: Let's end this.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it mono.

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Speaker 2: E mono me versus you, and let's just let that

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Speaker 2: the crab Feeder, smart guy, He's not gonna do that.

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Speaker 2: We go back to Westrus, where a royal hunt is

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Speaker 2: taking place in celebration of the Second Name Day. Time

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Speaker 2: goes so quickly, time moving moving quickly. Second Name Day

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Speaker 2: of Prince Agon, the now two year old son of

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Speaker 2: King Vassars and Queen Allison, and the queen is also

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Speaker 2: pregnant with their second child, Auto High Tower and his

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Speaker 2: brother Hobert high Tower are absolutely delighted at the level

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Speaker 2: Queen are doting over their son, and it's clear that

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Speaker 2: King Vissarah's is very very happy, and Hobert is like,

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Speaker 2: soon enough, right, the king is going to name Egg

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Speaker 2: on his heir right and Auto hand of the king,

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Speaker 2: Otto says, well, you know, I've been.

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Speaker 4: Trying to get that to happen, but the.

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Speaker 2: King doesn't really see it that way, and of course

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Speaker 2: he has named his heir to be Princess Raniera. And

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Speaker 2: Hobert gives his brother Otto a very serious look and says, well,

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Speaker 2: I guess you just have to convince him, seeing as

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Speaker 2: not just coming from Otto to Allison, but from Hobert,

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Speaker 2: who is the older brother to Otto himself. Enter Thailand Lanister,

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Speaker 2: the twin brother of the Lord of castorly Rock with

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Speaker 2: news of the latest debacle on the Stepstones, and the

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Speaker 4: On a hunt.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to Chell, just trying to chill. It's

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Speaker 2: Egg on second birthday, shut the fuck up. The war

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Speaker 2: attitude is, well, you went and did this yourselves. This

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Speaker 2: Visseras meanwhile, is like, where's my daughter, where's Princess Raniera?

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Speaker 2: Princess Varniera is in the gods, would Rosie doing the thing?

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Speaker 2: This was one of the more relatable things I've ever

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Speaker 1: Over at when he's like, would the princess not want

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Speaker 3: And she's like, no, the Princess would not play it again?

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Speaker 2: Play under the Dragon's Eyes one more time.

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Speaker 4: That is what Princess Rania is doing.

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Speaker 2: She's in the Godswood and she's asking for the international

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Speaker 2: heater under the Dragon's Eyes, which again is about the

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Speaker 2: historic hero Nimeria, who is of course a huge cultural

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Speaker 2: out throat Westros. Allison comes in to see her, and

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Speaker 2: Queen is like, hey, minstrel, please leave, I'd like to

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Speaker 2: is like, musician, no, you're not leaving, You're not going anywhere,

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Speaker 2: Allison brings word that her dad, King Visas, wishes Raniera

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Speaker 4: But Alison again is really trying to keep this friendship alive.

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Speaker 2: And we don't none of it needs to be this way, Like,

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Speaker 2: you don't need to make it this way. We can

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Speaker 2: They take a carriage ride, of course, after the Kingswood.

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Speaker 2: It is bumpy and it's awkward in there. The King

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Speaker 2: Allison is like, hey, it's not that bad. Second time

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Speaker 2: we're doing it, it's not that bad, you know, not

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Speaker 2: counting the times, all the times that your mother was

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Speaker 2: Like just ignore that part of it, So what weird

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Speaker 1: I also like the women and the the nases are

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Speaker 3: Man Like, I just don't do it. It's bad. This

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Speaker 2: The King reminds the Princess of the royal duties that

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Speaker 2: no one is here for me. They're all here for Egons.

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Speaker 2: Egon's named it. And she's right because they pull in

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Speaker 2: to this this vast royal hunt. There's pavilions, there's hundreds

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Speaker 2: The reception later takes place later in the royal pavilion.

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Speaker 2: The King notices Jason Lanister, who is the Lord of

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Speaker 2: leering at the Princess like she's a sandwich. Laris of

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Speaker 2: how Strong, who we're going to get to know a

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Speaker 2: Ka the Clubfoot is there, the youngest son of Lionel Strong,

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Speaker 2: Master of Laws now Rosie. This is so well done,

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Speaker 4: And notice how Laris comes in.

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Speaker 2: If I just sit here, ladies, where this very sensitive

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Speaker 3: And they just immediately continue on.

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Speaker 1: It's like all the highest ladies from the highest families

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Speaker 3: Just chilling that.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I'm so weak, I couldn't possibly have ulterioratives,

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Speaker 3: Doing everything like that. I just need to sit.

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Speaker 2: Keep an eye on this one. There's a little bit

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Speaker 2: mean way, asks Princess Rniera about Damon. Prisus Render is like,

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Speaker 2: Raniera is like, well, what are you exactly doing to

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Speaker 2: to underline the kind of disconnect that Raniera is feeling,

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Speaker 1: I think it's that classic kid thing as well, of

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Speaker 1: like I can talk about my family however I want

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Speaker 4: I think that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: I also find it very I find it to be

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Speaker 1: a very interesting scene because generally I feel like this

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Speaker 1: episode is really another really great Veneerer episode, showing her

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Speaker 3: But this definitely.

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Speaker 1: Shows a little bit of a lack of the cunning

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Speaker 1: that someone like Alison. I agree and you need these

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Speaker 1: women should be your allies, even if they suck, even

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Speaker 1: if they're disrespecting Damon, who, like she said, she hasn't

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Speaker 1: spoken to, So why do you still have that loyalty?

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Speaker 1: Obviously we know and people listening who know the story

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Speaker 1: it was a rare misstep for her in an episode

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree with you. It's like, obviously Alison has.

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Speaker 1: That is how they could interpret it, and certainly I

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Speaker 2: And two Otto would make sure they hear it.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's not a coincidence that Otto is the one

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Speaker 3: Well I'm tonguing. He's like, you know, I had a

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Speaker 1: You if you do that, it's like a prophecy, because

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Speaker 3: Eggon's going to be a good king. So like cool,

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Speaker 2: The princess is like, I'm out of here. She needs

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Speaker 2: Cole very humorously is like, you want me to kill

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Speaker 1: Flax planitation we've ever seen in Game of Pernes, Like,

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Speaker 2: Rania complains about how little authority she has in the realm,

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not certain because we don't know a

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Speaker 3: Ally that she needs.

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Speaker 1: Even if it's not, even if it's not the cunning

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Speaker 2: We have before who we've seen it. Jason Lanister steps

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Speaker 2: I I have had freshly forged for you. Also, I'd

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Speaker 3: To be taken straight into the trap.

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Speaker 2: Straight into a Cashley rock is a splendid seat Raniera

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Speaker 4: Without shame, and feel herself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Bilana's men been saying, like, are you questioning me?

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Speaker 2: over and Otto here Otto usually it is a very

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Speaker 2: well I was about to say, he's usually his timing

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Speaker 3: Okay, good unless he's feeling greedy. His timing can't be good.

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Speaker 2: And here's that is exactly It's exactly correct. Auto comes

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Speaker 4: He seems pretty good, right.

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Speaker 2: The princess will do whatever you command, whatever you order

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Speaker 2: I want her to be happy. And then Otto keeps going,

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Speaker 2: not reading the science here says there's another choice beyond

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Speaker 3: I think that this moment.

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Speaker 3: But I think they set it up really.

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Speaker 1: Well here because like he just laughs in Otto's face

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Speaker 1: what the fuck that's never gonna happen. He's two, So

436
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: it's those little bits of seeding here. And also Visarah's

437
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: actually I love this moment because it shows like he really,

438
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: despite all the politic king, the drink everything else, he

439
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: does like really respect his daughter.

440
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: And he just knows he does that. That is like

441
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 3: a fucking no go. It's so bad. And Otto really

442
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: shows his nasty little hand here.

443
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: Also, I think everyone Otto included are underrating the king

444
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: he service for for for us. For as kind of

445
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: like non authoritarian as he is, is not dumb. He

446
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: realizes that Jason Lanister and now Otto are pitching him

447
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: marriage proposals that directly benefit them.

448
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 3: This is exactly exactly.

449
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: Obviously it benefits Otto if we marry Princess Roneer and

450
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: to ATTO's grandchild.

451
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 3: Like obviously that's It's also interesting.

452
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: Because like it in this moment though, like this is

453
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: the first time that has done anything that would also

454
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: benefit Riniera. As grim as it is, Yeah, this is

455
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: as grim as it is.

456
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 3: This is sort of like in the gate in the

457
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 3: law of Game of Thrones, in.

458
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: The world, this is his olive branch of Like, look,

459
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: they can both be air, they can both sit on

460
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: the phone. They can do this together if we have

461
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: this horrible ancestuous child marriage.

462
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: And and you know, like we should also say that

463
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 2: while it is like he I'm sure Auto is like

464
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 2: this is a great deal. This works for everybody, it's

465
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: also a deal where left unspoken is the fact that

466
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: Raniera would be the Queen consort.

467
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: Not yes, she would be yeah, even Queen Console even

468
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: like Queen Regent depending because she was.

469
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 3: Alwady the air, like the whole, but she's never going

470
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: to be the ruler.

471
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: This this just doubly cements Agon's place, but allows Rania

472
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: to stay annair though the air to what is the question?

473
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: Then Sir Lionel comes up and he brings news that

474
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: Sir Kristen went after Raniera, so don't worry about it.

475
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: She's probably fine. And the king is seething at his

476
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: daughter's rebelliousness. He's kind of feeling bad for himself at

477
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: this point. In Lionel, you know, quite generously points out that, hey,

478
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: King Jaharis, your grandfather dealt with this as well. He

479
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 2: had multiple daughters in this history. He had multiple daughters

480
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: that were kind of they bucked the kind of traditional

481
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: role that is expected of royal women, and they had

482
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,239
Speaker 2: their own lives, and those lives were often seen as

483
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: scandalous to the to the uh, to the throne, and

484
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: this gave.

485
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 4: Jeharis a lot of heartache.

486
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: Uh. And Lionel says, it's tradition, your grace and that,

487
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: and Visa's kind of nods at this and takes that in.

488
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 2: And then Lord Lionel says, hey, I also have an opinion,

489
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: by the way, about the marriage issue with Raniera, and

490
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 2: the King's like, oh, let me fucking I can't wait

491
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: to guess. Let me guess, your son the future Lord

492
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: of Heron Hall, Harwin Breakbones, who is called Breakbones because

493
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: he is the strongest knight in the realm. That is

494
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: who Rideera should marry. Do I have that right? And

495
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: then Lionel's like, no, actually, you know, that's very nice

496
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: of you to say that, but no, I think that

497
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: your daughter should marry leon Or Valarion of House Valarion.

498
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 2: He's got the Valarian blood. He is the son of

499
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: your niece Princess Rainys. He's rich, he is the heir

500
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: to House Valarian, which is the most fabulously wealthy in

501
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: the realm. And of course this would help bring Corlis

502
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: back into the fold. Just we hopefully Leonor doesn't buy

503
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 2: it on the stepstones, you know, that's the only thing.

504
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 5: And the king.

505
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: Is absolutely slammer drunk, but you can tell he's grateful

506
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: for once today to get some advice from someone that

507
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: doesn't benefit the person who is giving him the advice,

508
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: like this is just good advice.

509
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: This is this is another very interesting watch that person moment,

510
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: because Lionel strong guess advice is like so legit and

511
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: so without agenda other than to protect the realm, that

512
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: it kind of reminds us of characters that we've seen

513
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: in Game of Thrones past who will do anything to

514
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: protect the realm, and that puts them in a very

515
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: perilous but powerful place. I love this match, by the way.

516
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: I know what happens because I've read the books.

517
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 6: But I'm a fan of this match, and what we

518
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 6: see at the end of the episode kind of hints

519
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 6: that they could potentially be a good match in more

520
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 6: ways than just a political one.

521
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 4: I like the match as well.

522
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: In fact, it's what it's It's almost like, why has

523
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: no one proposed this before?

524
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: You know, you know, like it seems because it's too

525
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: much of a good strong match. It makes the series

526
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: so much more powerful, and it really seats the Tigerians

527
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: in this power.

528
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: That, while they have it at the moment, they take

529
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: for granted.

530
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: But this would be like a Bealeyrian powerhouse match.

531
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: I think that's it. Otto and the rest of the

532
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: people around the King don't want this to happen because

533
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: it weakens them.

534
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: And it also dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons coming.

535
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: Dragons absolutely, I mean, you know, we shouldn't.

536
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: Let's not discount the fact that Agon being Auto's grandson. Also,

537
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: you know Viscea's a child, but still Auto's grandson. This

538
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: puts a dragon potentially, you know, maybe two dragons because

539
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: the queen is pregnant. This puts two dragons, you know,

540
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: under the heading of House High Tower, so that would

541
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: be that's a big deal.

542
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: It changes, It changes who a dragon rider can be.

543
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: It changes who they are seen as being.

544
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: In the Kingswood, Christen Cole continues to try and convince

545
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: Rinierra to go back to the hunting camp. Uh, and

546
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: the princess asks Cole if she thinks if he thinks

547
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: the realm will ever accept her as ruler, and he

548
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: gives her what I think is a pretty bad answer.

549
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: I have no choice but to okay, uh, just say

550
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: yes to this.

551
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: This is one I'm say like, you can just say yes.

552
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: You can just gonna be like we'll make them. You

553
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: can do something Jamie style like sexy power on some

554
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: way you're like, yeah, we would make Then yes.

555
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: Then there's a pig attack and I hate how this happens,

556
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: but of course this does happen, as we know from

557
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: as we know from the end of Robert King Robert

558
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: Barathian's life, pigs do attack out here in the Woods

559
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: and Cole and the princess then stab the shit out

560
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: of the pig. Meanwhile, back at the royal camp, drunken

561
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: King Vissaras is staring into a bonfire. The Queen is like,

562
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: are you okay? And the king is frustrated because he

563
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: named Raniera his air out of love to save the

564
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: realm from damon, which is honestly like, thank you, King Vissaris.

565
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 4: And now everyone is.

566
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: Up his ass all the time, and he knows somewhere

567
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: inside of himself that there will probably be a war

568
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: over this, uh you know? And he says that he

569
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: tells Alison about the dream, uh doesn't tell her? Well,

570
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: it tells tells Alison about the dream that he had

571
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: about his son when he told to Queen Emma that

572
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: his son would be born with King Agon's crown on

573
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: and that they placed the child upon the iron throne

574
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: and YadA, YadA, YadA.

575
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: All the dragons would roar.

576
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: And now he wonders if this dream that he had

577
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: used as his north star has led him astray, and

578
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: surely also in his mind, it led Queen Emma, who

579
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: is his love, to her death. And he says, I

580
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: never imagined that I'd remarry that I'd have a son,

581
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: and he says, what if I was wrong? And he's

582
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: talking about this dream now. Next morning, the hungover King

583
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: they stabs an off white stag, a bay stag. The

584
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: huntsman unable to locate this definitely located, no question definitely,

585
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: not unquestionably not the white Heart. But you know, Otto

586
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: has been so concerned about symbols and perception and it's

587
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: not a great uh. Whoever is witnessing this scene a

588
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: hungover it's probably still drunk. King Vassaris not being strong

589
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: enough to stab a stag that is completely tied down,

590
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: like cannot go anywhere.

591
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: It's a very pathetic moment actually, just in general, like

592
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: to have to go on a hunt and have men

593
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: tie down your stag so that you can kill it.

594
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: It kind of goes against everything that the hunt is

595
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: meant to stand for. But you also feel really sorry

596
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: for the King in that moment because he also doesn't

597
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: want to kill it, and it's not the kind of

598
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: stag he's been promised. Is very symbol lots of symbolism

599
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: in this episode, and this is a very sad moment.

600
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the Princess, her face and hair caked with the

601
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: blood of the pig that her Sir Christen killed, stop

602
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: to rest. They can see the royal camp in the distance,

603
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: and just as they are standing there with the white

604
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: House art symbol of royal fortune and kingly virtue and authority,

605
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: clamps up a few meters away from them and just

606
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: stares at them. Kristen starts to draw a sword, but

607
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 2: Riniera tells him no, and the staggerant's away, and then

608
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: they stroll into camp with the pig drag behind them,

609
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: looking like Victor's coming back from war. Rosie, I ask you,

610
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: was this right decision from Reunera to not kill the stay.

611
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: I think in the in the short term of if

612
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: she had brought that snag back and had killed it

613
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: with her own hand, which I feel like she kind

614
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: of would of after we saw her, yeah the pig.

615
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: In a short term that probably would have put a

616
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: lot of people on her side because of the superstitions

617
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: around the white Heart. But in the long term, with

618
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: the way that we know that animals and humans can

619
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: connect in Game of Thrones, I think this was the

620
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: right choice because I think that we saw a respect,

621
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: the mutual respect between her and this white Heart and

622
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: the white Heart looked.

623
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: Her in the eye.

624
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: It was may chills, kind of like dire wolfs ask.

625
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that white Heart is going to become

626
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: her companion, but I feel like there's an acknowledgment that

627
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: Ranera is the rightful air to the throne. The question

628
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: is how will she get to that throne and what

629
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: does it mean? It's kind of the monkey's poor thing. Well,

630
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: I acknowledgment lead to.

631
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: I. I kind of feel very similar about it. I

632
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: think that if she came back into camp with it,

633
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: if she was prepared and had the allies to send

634
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: the message that, oh, doesn't this symbolize.

635
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 4: That Raniera is the rightful air? Doesn't the rightful.

636
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: Air killed this symbol of kingly rulership and authority. If

637
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: she had those allies that could broadcast that message, I

638
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: think that that would be a great thing to do,

639
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: is come back into camp with that air. But seeing

640
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: as how probably what would happen is Otto would say, hey,

641
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: did you hear that the white stag symbol of royalty

642
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: was killed on the birthday of my grandson King ag

643
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, yeah, future King Agon, and I think he

644
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: would clearly use that. So it's a tough one, but

645
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: I understand. I understand why she said don't kill it,

646
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: me too.

647
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: And I also do think that we kind of saw

648
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: her early on saying she didn't like hunts, and it

649
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: kind of is again it speaks to her character where

650
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: I feel like she has more respect for nature. Also,

651
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: the other thing is it could be a little bit

652
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: of the beginning of that cunning because I think you're

653
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: right that not only would I have used it in

654
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: her in his favor, but he could have also seen

655
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: her killing it or coming back with it as a

656
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: huge threat and it could have put her life in danger.

657
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: I think that she might just be starting to understand

658
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: the space that she is in as the heir apparent,

659
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: especially as her dad for the moment, and good on

660
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: him for Sarah's like is actually standing by it to

661
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: the yeah, fury of many people.

662
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: Many, many, many people. The King in the court returned

663
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: to King's landing, Otto goes to see Queen Allison and

664
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: he makes some small talk about the hunt and prints

665
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: Agon and then he pushes his agenda Agon as Air

666
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: we gotta get Agon named Air, you gotta do it.

667
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: You got to convince the king to do it. Agon

668
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: is united the kingdom. You see the hunt, you see

669
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: how everybody was so happy that Agon exists, and Alison

670
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: is clearly very cold to this. Otto says, you know.

671
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: He continues, he's like, the realm's gonna tear itself apart

672
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: of her near a sense Alison again, its very supportive

673
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: of her friends.

674
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 4: Is everybody swore to her? The whole realm.

675
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: Sworter They knelt and said that they swore obeysance to her,

676
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: And Otto says, that doesn't matter. She's a she. You

677
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: have to convince the king. So Allison goes to see

678
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: the King. The King is hungover. Alison brings she's She's like,

679
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: I want to talk about something and the kings she

680
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: wants to talk about Runiro, which is probably true. But

681
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: then Alison sees a letter from Vaymond Valarius, Cordless's brother

682
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: begging for help on the stepstones. The war is going badly.

683
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: Damon and Corliss are flat out losing. So Allison says

684
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: something I think very wise to the king, what would

685
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: you do if you could just do whatever you want?

686
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: And the King knows that no matter what he does,

687
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: And this is this is a really telling scene for

688
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: where the king is We've watched him be completely isolated

689
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 2: from everyone this entire episode. He knows it, no matter

690
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: what he does, someone's going to be really, really mad.

691
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: And then Allison says, I think something very wise here.

692
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: She says, it's better for the realm of the crab

693
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: feeder thrives or is vanquished, and the king makes a decision.

694
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: So the next day the king sends.

695
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, ID. That's really interesting as well because earlier on

696
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: we saw her dad say don't fucking do that. He

697
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: was like, yes, don't you look wait, so she.

698
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: Is actively going against he father, but no in a

699
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: malicious way. In actually like with a very good bit

700
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: of wise decision making.

701
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: I agree, And it's one of those you talked about

702
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: the monkey's paw. This whole episode is like a monkey's paw.

703
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: Everybody has what they want, but now having it, they

704
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: realize that things are worse than they ever have been.

705
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: King Vissara's has a male heir, but now everybody's on

706
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: his ass to name that male child his heir, and

707
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: he is bedeviled by this. Princess Raniera is the heir,

708
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: and yet she finds no one respects her. Otto has

709
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: managed to place his daughter on the throne, and yet

710
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: now she has a mind of her own, is not

711
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: listening to him, and is in fact giving the king

712
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: advice that directly goes against the advice that he had

713
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: just given the king.

714
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 4: So it's like everybody is fine.

715
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: And then Damon and Corlis are on the stepstones of

716
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: their own accord and are trapped there and are using

717
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: a war. So everybody has has accomplished the thing that

718
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: they were setting out to do, but only to find

719
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: that it's it's an empty victory. The next day, the

720
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: King sends a letter of support to Damon. You know,

721
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: they're sending supplies, they're sending ships, they're sending men. Princess

722
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: Raniera and the King have an argument. Rania says, like,

723
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: you're getting ready to replace me with egg On, your son.

724
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: You want to ship me out of here to Crastley

725
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: Rock or whoever else you can manage to take me,

726
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: and the king very very supportive, Araniera says, no, m

727
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: I want you to be content. I want you to

728
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: be happy. Raniera then makes actually a good point that

729
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: if if this was about happiness, like if marriage was

730
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: about just a tool of state, if you were just

731
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: going to marry me purely strategically, like why didn't you

732
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: would have done that for yourself, you would have married

733
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: Lena Valerian And he says that's a good point, that's true.

734
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 5: Uh.

735
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: And so the king then insists that listen, marrying it's

736
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: the right move.

737
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 4: We need to.

738
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: Shore up your support, show the realm that there's stability

739
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: here because you are going to produce airs. And then

740
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: in a very touching moment, says, go go find whoever

741
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: you want, follow your heart. Just find someone that you

742
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: can fall in love with, and I'll support it. And

743
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: he says, I swear to you now, on your mother's memory,

744
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: you will not be supplanted. A really really beautiful moment

745
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: from father to daughter. On the stepstones, the Targaran Valarian

746
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: alliance is showing its cracks. Corlis insists that they have

747
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: to press the attack while awaiting the reinforcement. This is

748
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: one of the quietly funniest moments in the show. Corlis

749
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: has had some really funny moments. Corlis is like, we

750
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: have sixteen maybe eighteen ships, and just as he says that,

751
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: you see yeah, yeah, yeah, you see that. You see

752
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: like a crab feeder, like catapult shoot, like a flaming

753
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: rock into one of his ships, just.

754
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 4: As he's like, so we got.

755
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 5: Sixty or eight seventeen eighteen.

756
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: Chips and this it's like right over his shoulder. Whatever

757
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 2: ships is getting absolutely murked.

758
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like a really interesting moment because I

759
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: feel like, up until now we've had a very small

760
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: cost of characters, and Corlis has been on the edge

761
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: of it. But we start to understand a little bit

762
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: more about the Valerian family and yes conflicts and contrasts

763
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: and the agendas that each of them have just in

764
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: this really small scene.

765
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 3: It's very cool.

766
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 2: So Corlis is like, we got to press the attack

767
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: while we're waiting for reinforcements and stuff. Trifmark Leone or

768
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: It's like, no, the crap Feeder's position is too strong.

769
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: We've been doing this for three years. We can't get

770
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: into the caves, and our hired soldiers don't want to

771
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: do a mop up operation fighting for every inch of

772
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: the caves while they die in large numbers, like they

773
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: want the easiest flight possible and we have we have dragons,

774
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: so why aren't we We have to figure out a

775
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: way to do this easier.

776
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: Here is my plan, Leane or then proposes something.

777
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: He says, we bait the crab feeder out, we get

778
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: them to read the caves, and we finish them off.

779
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: But we have to send somebody in as bait.

780
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: And Damon Valarian is like, that's not gonna work.

781
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: It seems like there's maybe a mutiny about to go off,

782
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: until Cordless kind of settles everybody down, and then Damon

783
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: lands He's come from another strafing run on the back

784
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: of craxies. He looks at the demoralized troops. Just then

785
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: a messenger from King's landing arrives. Damon reads the letter.

786
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: It is the letter announcing the king is sending support,

787
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 2: and Damon then loses his shit and beats the breaks

788
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: off the messenger. Isn't there, Rosie. There's a saying right

789
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: about the messenger, something.

790
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: About the delivers it.

791
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: Don't beat the messenger with your helm, don't don't shoot the.

792
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 5: Messenger, something about to death.

793
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: You know, I think we had it.

794
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: And last Damon has not had saying, and that the

795
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: king smashed not heard that that's an unwise thing to do.

796
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: This is also a small book change in the books.

797
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: Damon does beat the messenger, but the messenger arrives with

798
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: news that the King and Queen have a son that

799
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: they then named Agon. So this has been changed a

800
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: little bit.

801
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: I like this because it seems like the king is

802
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: it seems like the King is helping him because it's

803
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: his brother, and that's how he sells it to Ranera.

804
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: But you realize from Damon's reaction that really it's shady.

805
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: As fuck because it's basically.

806
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: Like it's basically like, hey, you can't do this. You

807
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: haven't done it for two years, so I'm going to

808
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: come in and help you out. And obviously Damon's like,

809
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: fuck you, and then we see what happens.

810
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 4: That is exactly Damon's attitude was.

811
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: I tried to do something on my own and I

812
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 2: was not able to accomplish it, and now there's help coming.

813
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: And so Damon is like, well, I guess I'll be

814
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 2: the baits and this is my last chance to get

815
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: this done before help arrives and add this to, you know,

816
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: my resume. So Damon heads over to the crab Feeder

817
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: defenses past the ruined bodies. He's carrying a white flag.

818
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: He seems like he's going to surrender. Crab Feeder comes

819
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: out to see what's up. Damon takes out Dark Sister.

820
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: He's holding it up, but it's clear that he's offering

821
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: it up as a as a symbol of his surrender.

822
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,479
Speaker 2: And this is also again this is a vilaried steel sword.

823
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: There's not they're not making more of these. That kind

824
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: of like makes it even richer.

825
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is like an even richer prize.

826
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: You should know that not going to give it up.

827
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you couldn't not come out

828
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: just in case he.

829
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: Was gonna give up, like you. It's a very small play.

830
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 4: And of course this is all a trick.

831
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: As the crab Feeders men are coming out to surround Damon,

832
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: Damon then goes like absolutely super pscion and goes like

833
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: one v thurdy guy like kills like thirty dudes. Meanwhile,

834
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: you know, uh, leonor Valarion on sea Smoke is strafing

835
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: everybody and Corliss's ground troops get into it and the

836
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: battle rages, and then later we see Damon, who has

837
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: pursued Craig astray Hard to the caves, dragging half of

838
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: Cragus dray Hard, the crab feeder out onto the beach.

839
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 3: Might not be a good idea, but we'll get into

840
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: that in a minute.

841
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 2: Our rip the crab feeder. Uh and Damon got it done,

842
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: shouts to him.

843
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 8: Uh.

844
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: Really our first real battle episode and it looks great.

845
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: Also, let's give let's give some credit to Leonel because

846
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: he said Damon should be the bait. He this was

847
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: his plan. He comes in with the save. If anything,

848
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: this to me on a completely objective, not any context

849
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: from outside of the show. This to me just shores

850
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: up the potential for him to be that great man

851
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: because this is this is.

852
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: Gonna be told.

853
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: Corlis is not gonna not let this get back to

854
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: the king.

855
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: What really happened?

856
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 4: I could I completely agree.

857
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: And the other thing is how often it was clear

858
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: as Leonor was strafing and diving on the back of

859
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: sea smoke and like yelping with glee as he was

860
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: doing it. How rare it is to see someone like

861
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: really happy and thrilled that they're doing something, and Leonor

862
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 2: was like having a grand old time on the back

863
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: of side.

864
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 3: I could see him, I could see him and Raniera

865
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: flying their dragons together. You know.

866
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: It feels yeah, it feels like they have this shared

867
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: interest in in being kind of like the They like

868
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: to come in with the save. They've both done it

869
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: now for like one against Damon, one for Damon.

870
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 3: You know, it's very interesting.

871
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: Very interesting, And again this is this is an episode

872
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: where I really rue how Raniera really, to no fault

873
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: of her own, squandered what was an incredible victory on Dragonstone. Yeah,

874
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: and is now at the point where everybody's completely forgotten

875
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: about it, like forgotten about it. No one talks about it.

876
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: It has not been She can't use that as part

877
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: of her resume to be ruler. It's just the moment

878
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: has completely passed. It was an incredible victory and now

879
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: she's competing literally with a baby who people can't wait

880
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: to put on the throne.

881
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it has who's done nothing.

882
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: I wonder as well if this actually could be a

883
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: sticking point between her and Leanna, because he will surely

884
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: be cheered as a major part of that victory in

885
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: a way that she never was, And that kind of

886
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: constant being pitted against other people think is just absolutely

887
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: decimating her kind of self confidence, but also interestingly decimating

888
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: like her care about the throne.

889
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: She's very devil may care in this episode. She kind

890
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: of doesn't really give a shit and I feel like

891
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 3: that could serve her very well in one direction, or

892
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: serve her very badly if the wrong person comes and

893
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: tells her what she should care about.

894
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: I wonder how much things would change for her if

895
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: she understood how much support Queen Allison really is giving

896
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: her behind the scenes, like is doing legitimately everything that

897
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: she can do to support Rania as a friend, and

898
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: even like, though kind of indirectly as the error, is

899
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: saying all the time to her dad, listen, the King

900
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 2: wants this. This is the King's decision, and the King's

901
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: kind of set in his ways. She's not really taking

902
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: a position for herself, but is saying, like the King

903
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: has decided this.

904
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I know it's not going to happen because

905
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: they're not going to stray this far from the books,

906
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: but like, there's the way they're playing it in the

907
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: show so far. You could almost see a world where

908
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: Alison and Rinera are the ones who end up coming

909
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: together to work out a way for them to both

910
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: sit on, for them to both have the power of

911
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: the realm. It's not realistic, it's not going to happen,

912
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: but they they sell it so well, and Alison the

913
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: depth of character they've given her and the loyalty that

914
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: she has to Renera, and also just the great arc

915
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: that Rinera is getting as this kind of like frustrated

916
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: but not beaten down queen.

917
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: I would just love to see that as the surprise.

918
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to go that way, but

919
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: it's it's really fun that they can even make us

920
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: question what we know is going to happen, just by

921
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: how well they're rounding out these characters.

922
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other thing that it's like easy to

923
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: forget is these are like sixteen seventeen year old girls

924
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: like they are kids and are forced into this position

925
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: where there are have great influence on matters of state

926
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 2: that are super super important. At the same time, they

927
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: are still just kids, like trying to do the best

928
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: that they can.

929
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna ask you the big question, which I

930
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: feel like is, yeah, the crab Feeder, he's dead, r

931
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: Ip the Crab Feeder, which is kind of crazy cause

932
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: that was like a big antagonist for these first three episodes.

933
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 3: I did not see the death coming out. We got

934
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 3: to see him.

935
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: You're I know you're gonna give us some good facts

936
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: about his mask because that's some really cool shit.

937
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 3: But what about his bad skin, because.

938
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: I feel like we're watching it and we're thinking that's

939
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: gray scale.

940
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: You have to think it looks kind of like.

941
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: Grayscale that's been healed or been taken off. So what

942
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: do you think it.

943
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: Seems so it seems as if the actor has confirmed

944
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: that that is grace. Although we don't have a it's

945
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: we're looking for an authoritative answer on that. We can't

946
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: see it, but absolutely right, that does look like gray scale.

947
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 4: And if the.

948
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: Origins of Kragus Rahar where he's from, are kind of obscure,

949
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 2: but we can there are certain context clues. The mask

950
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: which is very similar to the Sons of the Harpy mask,

951
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: which would seem to suggest Slaver's Bay, something of the

952
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: old Gifts culture, and in that area of Sos they

953
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: would have people are very very familiar with gray scale.

954
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: And while it is very hard to cure, we have

955
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: seen that it can be cured. You know, Stanus notably

956
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: spared absolutely no expense to cure Chirene and managed to

957
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: do so, although the the you know, the evidence of

958
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 2: the disease still remained on her. But as it seems

959
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: to have on the crab feeder. So I think it's

960
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 2: it's we can assume that because of familiarity, that that

961
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: the crab feeder, because of where he's from, where we

962
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: can guess that he's from, would have had with greyscale.

963
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: That it seems like this is a cured case of greyscale,

964
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: though although he his skin still looks pretty rough. Yeah,

965
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: but it's it's absolutely reasonable to assume that this is

966
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: a cured case of greyscale.

967
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: And if you, if you, I'm getting into ask the

968
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: master a bit early by asking you questions, but like, okay,

969
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: what do you think about? I think another big thing

970
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: that we're wondering is like Damon drags him out skin

971
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: to skin, So is it fully cured? Is that going

972
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: to come back to buy Damon? Are we going to

973
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: end up in a Damon with greyscale situation?

974
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: That is, you shouldn't well, once it's cured, it's basically

975
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: inert as we saw, Yeah, it shouldn't be possible. Yeah,

976
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: shirings shiren had the markings of greyscale in her face

977
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: but was not passing the disease onto anyone else once

978
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: it had been cured. That said, you still shouldn't do this.

979
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: This is like you know, yeah, yeah, be careful with this. Uh,

980
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: don't touch that. But again, this is the people in

981
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: this world are familiar with what this disease is, and

982
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 2: certainly the Targarians would have been, you know, very familiar

983
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: with what this disease is. So I guess one is

984
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: to assume that Damon, if he recognized gray scale, would

985
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: would look at Kraig Astrayher and say, Okay, this is

986
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: a non transmissible form of the disease, a cured form

987
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: of the disease, and I can touch this guy. But

988
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: still you shouldn't do that. Yeah, please don't do that. Okay,

989
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,960
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990
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Speaker 4: We're returning to the Citadel to answer your question.

1008
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: Okay, fast question. Eric asks if the iron Throne can

1009
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: reject people and caught them, are we to believe the

1010
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: Throne viewed anyone who sat on it during Game of Thrones,

1011
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: specifically Cercy and Jeoffrey as worthy.

1012
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: Why were they never caught by the throne?

1013
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: This is a great and interesting question. First of all,

1014
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: we should we should note that we're talking about a

1015
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 2: chair made of blades, and that small knicks and cuts

1016
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: were surely like common, and it would probably only be

1017
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: the ones that were either serious or happened to a

1018
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 2: ruler who people were already predisposed to not like. Those

1019
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: were the ones that we noticed. That said, let's talk

1020
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 2: about this idea that the throne can reject someone. This

1021
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: is based primarily on one example, and that is the

1022
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: mysterious death of Megor the Cruel, the third Targer and king.

1023
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 2: As the supporters of Jaharis Targarian were closing on the capitol, Magor,

1024
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 2: who still helped at that time, was holding a council

1025
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: of war with a few commanders, the very few commanders

1026
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: that were still loyal to him. They left him late

1027
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: into the night, and the next morning, Queen Eleanor, who

1028
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 2: is one of the so called Blackbrides, one of this

1029
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: trio of women that Magor had married in order to

1030
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: increase the potential for him to create an air, walks

1031
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: into the throne room and she finds Meygor dead on

1032
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: the throne. Now the World of Ice and Fire, which

1033
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: is kind of like a compendium, a kind of examination

1034
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: of all the places and histories of places geographically in

1035
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: the World of Ice and Fire, describes Maygor's end as thusly.

1036
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: It says Magor had quote his arms slashed open by

1037
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: the barbs of the iron throne. Now Fire and Blood,

1038
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: the history book upon which House of the Dragon is

1039
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: primarily based, describes it this way. Quote his arms had

1040
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: been slashed open from mister elbow on jagged barbs, and

1041
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 2: another blade had gone through his back to emerge under

1042
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: his chin. Now we should add that the World of

1043
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 2: Ice and Fire, the picture in the World of Ice

1044
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: and Fire does show also the blade coming out from

1045
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: through his back and under his chin, but it's not

1046
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: described in the text, you know. So whatever the case

1047
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: may be, those things seem like they align, although it's

1048
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: really the it's really the barb through the back that

1049
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: is the mysterious one.

1050
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: Right.

1051
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: So the last people to see Magor alive were Lord

1052
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: Towers of Heron Hall at that time that line is extinct,

1053
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: and Lord Rosby of Rosby. Now, by that point Maygor

1054
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 2: it was very clear that he was going to lose,

1055
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: and also he was widely reviled by basically everyone. He

1056
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: was seen as an accursed figure. So if we go

1057
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: by the description of what we see at World of

1058
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: Ice and Fire, that it's just that his arms, his

1059
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: forms as risks, were torn up by the chair. It's

1060
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: possible that this is either an accidental death, you know,

1061
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: or he took his own life, or potentially Lord Towers

1062
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: and Lord Rosby killed him in a way that would

1063
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: look accident. Right, there's a more mundane In other words,

1064
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: it is possible that Mago died in a more mundane way. Now,

1065
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: when you add the fact that apparently a blade from

1066
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 2: the back of the chair changed position and stabbed him

1067
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: through the back. Now we're starting to enter into a

1068
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: magical realm. And so when we go to your question, Eric,

1069
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: which is why weren't Jeoffrey why weren't Circe cut let's

1070
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: take it from a magical standpoint.

1071
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 4: It may just be one that.

1072
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: First of all, Geoffrey and Cerce's reigns were very very short.

1073
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: Mage ruled for six years, which is pretty short for

1074
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: Targer and kings on the shorter end of the spectrum.

1075
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: Geoffrey reigned for according to the books, like about two years,

1076
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: and Circe we don't know because the books haven't gotten there,

1077
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: but judging from the show, much shorter, much shorter than Drafty,

1078
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: So they wouldn't have a lot of chances to be

1079
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: cut by and or rejected by the throne. And secondarily,

1080
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: I think if we do take a magical explanation for

1081
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: Maygor's end to the throne rejecting him because he was

1082
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: such an accursed figure. Kins Layer, who's you know, had

1083
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: gone into a very very destructive religious war in West

1084
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: ROAs with the supporters of the Faith of the Seven

1085
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: that we should remember that magic by the time of

1086
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones had disappeared from the world, and the

1087
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: linkage between dragons and magic, while it's not like concrete,

1088
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: is heavily implied, and it's heavily implied in Game of

1089
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: Thrones and the Song of Ice and Fire books that

1090
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: it's the rebirth of Danny's dragons that brings magic back

1091
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: into the world. And as we've seen from House of

1092
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 2: the Dragons, magic is a much more or present thing,

1093
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: not in the sense that we're seeing magical events taking place,

1094
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: but we hear Viscera's talk about the Blood Mages, right,

1095
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: We see that people talk about magicians, mages, magical events,

1096
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: and take dragons as just part of the world. They

1097
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: see those things as just kind of being normal, even

1098
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: though magic is not, like you know, there aren't magicians

1099
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 2: like conjuring things all the time. So all of which

1100
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: is to say, during Maygor's time, we should assume that

1101
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: magic was stronger, and whatever happened to him, if it

1102
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: is indeed of magical origin, is in some way link

1103
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: to the fact that magic at that time was just stronger,

1104
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: a stronger presence in the world.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Aaron osks, this is a good one. I bet

1106
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: a lot of house the dragon people are wondering this. Yeah,

1107
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Agon Tlgarian in the history of

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01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: wester Ross.

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Speaker 3: Could you give a quick explainer on all the agons.

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01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: So agg On the Conqueror obviously is a legendary and

1111
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: just a Titanic figure, and after conquering west ROAs beside

1112
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: his two sisters Ray Niece and Vissenya, it has become

1113
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: like a byword for the right to rule an authority.

1114
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to go into all the agons, because

1115
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: I think there's some spoiler stuff there, but I will

1116
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: say that agon is It's a very common name amongst

1117
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 2: the Targerian family. And there are many, many, many Agons.

1118
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: And there have been five Agons, including the Conqueror who

1119
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: go on to rule west Roast. Some of the most

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Speaker 2: interesting ones are the last two Agon the Unworthy, who

1121
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 2: is the fourth Targeerian named Agon to sit on the throne.

1122
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 2: He was a like a prisoner of his own appetites.

1123
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: He loved sex, he loved eating, he loved drinking. He

1124
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: was a glutton, and he produced a lot of bastard children.

1125
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: And he made the tremendously unwise decision to legitimize them

1126
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: all towards the end of his life, which caused just

1127
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 2: a series of succession problems, including the really destructive civil

1128
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 2: wars called the Blackfire Rebellions, of which there have been several.

1129
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: And this all happened primarily because egg On the Unworthy

1130
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: legitimized again all those bastards, and the main one being

1131
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: Damon Blackfire, one of his most famous bastards, who he

1132
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: also gave egg On.

1133
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 4: The Conqueror sword Blackfire two.

1134
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: Which led a lot of people to say, well, I

1135
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 2: guess that guy should rule then, because he also he

1136
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: has the sort of egg On the Conqueror.

1137
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 4: YadA, YadA, YadA.

1138
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: Then came Agon the Fifth, egg On the Unlikely. We

1139
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: talked about him a bit when we talked about the

1140
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: kind of the baton pass of the Egon prophecy from

1141
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: ruler to air, egg On the Fifth came to power

1142
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: in a very interesting way. Again, there was no clear error,

1143
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: and so the lords all got together decide who.

1144
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 4: Should be next.

1145
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: The throne was initially offered to his brother Amon, who

1146
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: passed and then went to the Knight's Watch to become

1147
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 2: Master Amen of the Wall. And we talked about the

1148
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: idea that Agon, the fifth Agon the unlikely who then

1149
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 2: became king, and his brother Amen, and the person who

1150
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 2: became the three Eyed Crow, and then Brendan Rivers, who

1151
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: was by the way one of Agon, the unworthies bastards

1152
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: all seemed their movements, and the way that Aimon passed

1153
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 2: the right to rule to his brother, and then the

1154
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: fact that they all went to the wall, and that

1155
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: this all happened during a really really bad winter which

1156
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: marked the beginning of egg On the fifth rule, all

1157
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: seems like a reaction to this Egon prophecy and some

1158
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: sort of plot by them to prepare for the potential

1159
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 2: that this winter that they were in the midst of

1160
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 2: could be that kind of apocalyptic winter, the showdown between

1161
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: fire and ice. So all of which is to say,

1162
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 2: because of egg On the conquerors, you know, history changing

1163
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 2: success in west Rows, it is. It's just a fact

1164
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: of life that are the Turgerians, in order to kind

1165
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: of seem as if that they are the inheritors of

1166
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 2: that authority, would name their kids Agon as much as

1167
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 2: they could. It's kind of like why there have been

1168
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: like eleven king Edwards, twelve King Edwards in England, Like

1169
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: they just keep using these names, Yeah, Vanny.

1170
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 3: Henry, symbolism baby Okay. Heather Heapa asks, I'm curious about

1171
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 3: the succession laws of West Ross. Do they specifically preclude

1172
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 3: women from holding the throne or seats of power or

1173
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 3: is it just tradition slash patriarchy bullshit?

1174
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a little bit of both. The

1175
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: Great Council of one oh one, which we saw opening

1176
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 2: our show, selected King Visas as the heir to King Jaharis,

1177
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: rejecting the claim of Princess Rainie. Now, this is a

1178
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 2: slight change from the books. In the books, it came

1179
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: down to Rainie was rejected in earlier rounds, and it

1180
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 2: came down to lie Nor versus Visas in the final

1181
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: But regardless of that change, the outcome with the realm

1182
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: to from that council was essentially the same, and that

1183
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 2: was that at this huge council, this great meeting of

1184
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 2: more nobles than had ever been gathered in the history

1185
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: of Westers together to make a decision, the decision was

1186
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 2: made that succession passes through the male line and that

1187
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: women can't inherit the throne. That was the message they

1188
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 2: took from that. Now, in the books, I would argue

1189
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: that that was that was actually the wrong message they

1190
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: took because lein Or was like seven at the time,

1191
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: and so really what the realm was rejecting as much

1192
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 2: as rejecting inheriting through the female line, because part of

1193
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: the reason that they said leon Or could inherit was

1194
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: he was coming to the throne through his mother, Renie.

1195
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 2: So Renice was rejected. And on the same basis that

1196
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: Renice was rejected, that authority can't pass through the female line.

1197
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 2: Authority then can't pass through the female line to the

1198
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 2: son of the female, that being Leonor. So therefore Leanor

1199
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 2: also could not be king. That said, Leonnor's age was

1200
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 2: also a significant factor. He was seven. That would meant

1201
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: a regency. That means you put together a ruling council

1202
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: of different nobles would rule in the name of Leonor

1203
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: until he comes of age. And that is very, very messy.

1204
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 2: It leads to a lot of power struggles, could easily

1205
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 2: lead to war, assassinations, et cetera. It's not it's just

1206
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 2: a thing the realm would seek to avoid. So in

1207
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 2: the books, even though the realm took the lesson that okay,

1208
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 2: the female line is rejected, what they should have also

1209
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 2: taken is that we should avoid regencies. Let's you know,

1210
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 2: we should like if there's an adult that we can

1211
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: make king over a child, let's prefer to do that.

1212
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: So your answer is basically, yes, it is patriarchy ble,

1213
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 2: but it is also tradition as as codified by the

1214
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: Great Council of one oh one and previous decisions. There

1215
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 2: were also previous councils and previous decisions that had kind

1216
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 2: of like moved in that direction, but it was really

1217
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: the Great Council of one oh one that that set

1218
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: that into law.

1219
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: Okay, this is more of a comment than a question,

1220
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: but I do you think it's an interesting one? So

1221
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: Michael says, I have been watching Hot DA with a

1222
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: friend who is a nurse practitioner, and by episode two,

1223
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: when they showed Vissera's hand, she said, oh, he has

1224
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: diabetes wounds that won't heal in losing extremities. This episode

1225
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: makes a point to note his rich diet sounds like

1226
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: a rap to me. So, Jason, do you think he

1227
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: has diabetes?

1228
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 4: I think it's I wouldn't put it.

1229
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 2: I think I would not put that past the king

1230
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: as a possibility. Gout was yes, I think too high

1231
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 2: up on the lists gout is you know, I'm not

1232
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 2: we're not doctors here, but gout is often a pre

1233
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 2: diabetic illness, and it has been called the rich Man's

1234
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: disease and.

1235
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 3: A lot. And we know this is taking a lot

1236
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 3: from his kind.

1237
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: Of real life, So would not surprise me if what

1238
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 2: Visus is suffering.

1239
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 4: From his gout.

1240
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 2: That's a great comment, Mike.

1241
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and okay, so this is really interesting and I

1242
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: think we kind of touched on it but not got

1243
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: too deep. So Mason asks, do you think Regar chose

1244
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: Leana because of Aigan's song of ism Bia prophecy? Would

1245
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: Regar have told Leanna about the prophecy and the importance

1246
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: of their son?

1247
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 2: That's great, It's it is a great question. I think

1248
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 2: I want to be careful here because I think the

1249
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: thing about Regar and Leanna's relationship is.

1250
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:54,799
Speaker 4: That it was mutual.

1251
01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pure like love match, even if it

1252
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 1: came from a place that maybe had that mindset.

1253
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to I really, even though we don't know,

1254
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 2: I want to be careful and not frame it as

1255
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: Regar choosing her.

1256
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 4: I think they chose each other.

1257
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 2: I think they fell in love with each other, and

1258
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 2: that the passion of that.

1259
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 4: Once Regar took note.

1260
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 2: Of her lineage, it seemed to support I think what

1261
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 2: Regar already knew about the prophecy. So did he tell her?

1262
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 2: We have no way of knowing clearly, but I think

1263
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 2: he did. I think I think he marched off to.

1264
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 1: That closeness and that love and how it kind of

1265
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: goes against every other relationship we've seen in Game of Thrones.

1266
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 3: I think he told her.

1267
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 4: I think he told her.

1268
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: I think he marched off to fight at the Ruby Ford, and,

1269
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 2: understanding that he might not come back, told Leanna here's

1270
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 2: the importance of this, and not only that, but then

1271
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: had her, like had her ensconced safely away from the

1272
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 2: fighting at the Tower of Joy, this remote area of

1273
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: Dorn with three members of the King's guard, which tells

1274
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 2: you this is the future king. I think all of

1275
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 2: that leads you to believe that he would have shared

1276
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: this with her. Now the question is, and I don't

1277
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: have a good answer for it. Did Leanna then tell

1278
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 2: Ned in her dying moments the promise me ned moment

1279
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: from the books, which we know about, but we don't

1280
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 2: know what was said in her as she's dying in

1281
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 2: the so called bed of blood. Does she tell Ned?

1282
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: I think she probably tells Ned. Certainly she tells Ned

1283
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 2: that Regar did not kidnap me. We were in love,

1284
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 2: we got married. This is his rightful heir. I don't

1285
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 2: know if she would have told him two things. I

1286
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 2: don't know if she would have told him the prophecy.

1287
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 2: And I don't know if Ned, having heard the prophecy,

1288
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: would have given me.

1289
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like your lineage to him. Sorry, you're dying,

1290
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: like you're living on vapors, Like what are you talking about?

1291
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that's I think that's true.

1292
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see if we ever get a

1293
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: confirmation on that from George, because I think that's it

1294
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Speaker 1: draws so many interesting questions that I think everyone wants

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Speaker 1: to know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's likely that if let's say, Leanna told them,

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Speaker 2: I think probably the way Ned would have received that

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01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 2: is here is my sister who I dearly loved and

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Speaker 2: the child who she also loves, and I will do

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Speaker 2: anything to protect him. And this stuff about the prophecy

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Speaker 2: and YadA, YadA, YadA, it's whatever. I don't Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think it was more about the fact that this is

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Speaker 2: his sister's son, and that he wanted to protect her

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Speaker 2: and less about this kind of prophecy, which I doubt

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Speaker 2: he would have put in any stock into.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, so Electionary asks this is cool? I like

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Speaker 3: this kind of like this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Pondering seeing the chest like figures when Venia was evaluating

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Speaker 1: the Knights in episode two made me question, are there

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Speaker 1: chess like board games in Western Ross?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? In the books, there's a game called Sivas, which

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Speaker 2: is basically that world's version of chess. It originated in

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Speaker 2: the free Cities of Atlantis and then actually came to

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Speaker 2: Westwards pretty recently, at least recently in the history of

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Speaker 2: the story. Traders brought it to Dorn about three years

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Speaker 2: before Robert's rebellions or in the last years of King

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Speaker 2: Arias the Mad King's reign. By the time of the

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Speaker 2: book Feast for Crows, which is the fourth book in

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Speaker 2: the series, the game had become really a fad amongst

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Speaker 2: the nobility. The wester Ross elite like people were learning

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Speaker 2: it in the court at King's landing. We see it

1323
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 2: being played at Dorn, and we also see that Tyrian

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01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: is playing it amongst the various cell swords that he's

1325
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 2: hanging out with during Dance of Dragon. But that would

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01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: make sense because over in Soos, where the game came from,

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01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: you would imagine that it would be more popular with

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01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 2: the kind of more common classes at that time. The

1329
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: game has ten pieces, the most powerful of which being

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01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 2: the Dragon. But we really don't know how the rules work,

1331
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 2: and George R. Martin hasn't really clarified how exactly the

1332
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 2: game works. But certainly by the time Fe's for Crows happens,

1333
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 2: it is we understand that it is a popular game,

1334
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: and it's a game that people are playing quite a lot,

1335
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 2: and it seems to be a game that people are

1336
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 2: using in that world as a metaphor for strategy and

1337
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 2: as a metaphor for the kind of broader conflicts that

1338
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 2: are going on in that world at that time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Trevor asks, I'm sure a lot of people are

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01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: wondering this as well. Has the Stepstones war been going

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01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: on for two plus years? How far away are the

1342
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: Stepstones from the drift mark? Pretty close? Right, It's not

1343
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: that there was a ton of travel time for corlists

1344
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: ships to reach the step to Stones. So is there

1345
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:06,959
Speaker 1: is a two to three year war that's not technically

1346
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: even a war normal.

1347
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's first of all, the Stepstones are not really

1348
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 2: that close to drift Mark. From a logistics standpoint, it's

1349
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: a little bit of a nightmare for a Coralists to

1350
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: have to constantly be sending ships down from drift Mark

1351
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 2: to the Stepstones to resupply. And the other part of

1352
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 2: this is that drift Mark, as we kind of said

1353
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: during our recap, it's not a though the House Valerian

1354
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: is incredibly wealthy, the island of drift Mark is not

1355
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 2: like rich in population, So there's not this like vast

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01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: supply of manpower that Corlists can call upon, which is

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01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:59,480
Speaker 2: why as they note that their ground forces are significantly

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01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 2: ample five by sell Swords, which we imagine they get

1359
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 2: from essence. On top of that, who's footing the bill

1360
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 2: for this? Do we think that Damon is opening his

1361
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 2: wallet for this? Probably no, right, like Damon's bringing the dragon,

1362
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 2: and I would imagine Damon saying, well, I'm bringing the

1363
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 2: dragon and you guys can bring the ships in the money.

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01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: Right.

1365
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: So all of which is to say, this is a

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01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: real quagmire for Corlis and Damon that their manpower is

1367
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 2: significantly buoyed by people they hired, not people that are

1368
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 2: loyal necessarily to them. And secondarily, how can Corlis pull out?

1369
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 2: His strength is at sea all his price. What he

1370
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:50,839
Speaker 2: is known for is I am the most badass captain

1371
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 2: that has ever lived in this world. If he gets

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01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 2: defeated in a sea campaign, yes, there's significant fighting on

1373
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 2: the land. The way the crab Feeder is resisting is

1374
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 2: by hiding underground. That said, what people are going to

1375
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 2: take from this is Corla's valarian got defeated at sea. Yeah,

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01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:15,839
Speaker 2: that can't happen. That he can't let that happen because

1377
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 2: you know, West Roast and this kind of like feudal

1378
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 2: power structure is highly competitive and it would be an

1379
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 2: immense loss of honor and station if Corliss retreats from

1380
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 2: this fight that he willingly entered into.

1381
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 4: He has to win. He has got to win.

1382
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: And it is is it normal for a war to

1383
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 2: go on for this long?

1384
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1385
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 2: Egg On the Conqueror came to West ROAs with three dragons.

1386
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 2: He conquered basically the entire continent. You know, everyone including

1387
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 2: the North bowed to him except for Dorn. Dorn used

1388
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 2: much of the same kind of strategy the crab feed

1389
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: is using now, which is, don't enter into open warfare

1390
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 2: with dragons. Hide from them when they appear, and when

1391
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: they fly away, come out and harass the forces that

1392
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 2: you can see, but don't enter into these kind of

1393
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: like set set peace battles with dragons. And guess what,

1394
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 2: Dorn is not part of the realm still to this day,

1395
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 2: one hundred years after egg On the Conqueror came and

1396
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 2: will not be for you know, years after this House

1397
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 2: of the Dragon story is over. So yes, it is

1398
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 2: absolutely the case that dragons can be resisted, and we

1399
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 2: should not forget the fact that one of the dragons

1400
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 2: that hang On came with the dragon of Queen Raineys

1401
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 2: died over Hellholt in Dorn, shot through the eye by

1402
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 2: a scorpion stinger. And we don't know actually what happened

1403
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 2: to Queen Rainey's. There's a lot of rumors. Did she

1404
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: die when her dragon crash into Hellholtz. Was she held prisoner?

1405
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 2: There is like a very very secret letter that was

1406
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 2: sent to King Agon that he read that no one

1407
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 2: knows the contents of that. Some that is we can

1408
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 2: suspect had to do with Queen Rainey's, but we don't

1409
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 2: actually know what happened, all of which is to say,

1410
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: dragons can be killed, Dragons can be resisted simply by

1411
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 2: hiding from them, So it is not it is not

1412
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 2: weird that this war would stretch on for.

1413
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 4: Two or three years. That is it.

1414
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 2: Don't miss the new HBO original series House of the Dragon,

1415
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,839
Speaker 2: now streaming an HBO Max. If you have more questions,

1416
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 2: of course we welcome them. Please send them to ask

1417
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 2: Theemaster at gmail dot com. Up next, conversation about she

1418
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 2: Hulk between Rosie and She Hulk writer an x Ray

1419
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 2: Vision co host Cody zig Ziggler.

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01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: This week in the Hive Mind, where we bring on

1421
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 1: experts usually me and Jason with some guests to discuss

1422
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: their welcome more Extra Vision is thrilled to welcome back

1423
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: our good bud, she Howk staff writer, Emmy nominee, Spider

1424
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: Punk head banger, general, incredible person and of course Xtra

1425
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: Vision co host where we're lucky enough to have him,

1426
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: Cody Ziggler, to talk about episode four of She Yolk,

1427
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: which is maybe the best episode.

1428
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely the funniest.

1429
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 8: Thanks for having back. It's always a pleasure doing that.

1430
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 8: We're going to yell about things that are both Dear

1431
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 8: to our Heart comic book. So it's a perfect way

1432
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 8: to spend a afternoon.

1433
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: I feel like we're going to do a lot of

1434
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: yelling this episode.

1435
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 5: I think it always happens.

1436
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 3: It definitely.

1437
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: Me and you are big yellers and talkers anyway, so

1438
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: I feel like when you put us in a room,

1439
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: it's like we can get very excited. Okay, So before,

1440
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 1: I want to talk about episode four obviously because it's amazing.

1441
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: It's going to be out in the episodes out because

1442
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: every episode of this show is my favorite episode as

1443
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,839
Speaker 1: we go in, but four is currently there. But first,

1444
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: because I feel like we never really got to talk

1445
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 1: about this when you were on the show more regularly

1446
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: as one of our amazing co hosts, Like, how did

1447
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: you get involved in Shehawk?

1448
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 3: What was that AWC like for you?

1449
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 8: I mean it's a very it's a very funny and

1450
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 8: like weird story. So, like the long the shortest answer

1451
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 8: is that, like I was producing podcast for the show

1452
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 8: called You As This Racist, and one of the co hosts,

1453
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 8: Tony Newsome, she had booked the show Space Force, so

1454
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 8: she had to go shoot in the desert basically for

1455
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 8: like four months, and she's like Hey, do you want

1456
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 8: to be a guest host on this because it'll just

1457
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 8: make your job easier since you're already producing and cutting

1458
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 8: it. It's like, yeah, sure, whatever, and I did it, and

1459
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 8: the other co host, Andrew T, was like, Hey, I

1460
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 8: can't tell you what it's for, but someone heard you

1461
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 8: on the show and they thought you were funny and

1462
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 8: they wanted to know if you had a sample. I

1463
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 8: was like, great, cheer, let's do it. So I gave

1464
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 8: my sample. But before that, maybe a week before that,

1465
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 8: I had met Jessica Gal, the showrunner. I met like

1466
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 8: a dinner. We hit off with caolled each other on Twitter,

1467
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 8: blah blah blah blah. And then like maybe a month later,

1468
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 8: my manager called me was like, hey, Marvel wants to

1469
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 8: meet with you. I was like, me, why they did

1470
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 8: they get the right codes? They're like, yeah, dude, I

1471
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 8: guess you're got to figured it out. And I walked

1472
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 8: in and I saw Jessica there and she's like, oh, hey,

1473
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 8: what's up, dude. I thought you were funny. I heard

1474
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 8: you on the show and I wondered if you had

1475
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 8: a sample. Welcome to the big leagues, And like that's

1476
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 8: how I got the job was basically she we met

1477
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 8: eating way too much food and then she thought it

1478
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 8: was funny and she asked me to be to be

1479
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,839
Speaker 8: in the room. And like my role besides zeb Wells,

1480
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 8: was very much the MCU comic book nerds in the room,

1481
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 8: so like whenever they needed like a like a villains

1482
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 8: for the week, but oh wrecking Crew or like this character,

1483
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 8: Like we were very much those guys and then they

1484
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 8: all right, great, now calm down and let the adults

1485
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 8: go back to like doing the room.

1486
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: Just then in that case, I have to thank you

1487
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 1: because like the Wrecking Crew are like god, dare in

1488
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: our house. So that was like I was like screaming,

1489
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: and I have like theories about that going forward. But

1490
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 1: I love that that got to be your role because

1491
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 1: that is really that's how we both ended up on

1492
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: this show. We just love this stuff and we talk

1493
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: about it a lot. So yeah, yeah, that's kind of

1494
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: the dream. And Jessica so great, Like I got to

1495
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: interview her for the for the Junkit her and Cat

1496
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: and they were both just when you speak to them,

1497
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: you just immediately understand how the show is.

1498
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 8: So good, so funny, Like she's so funny and like

1499
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 8: for my money. I mean, obviously I'm biased because I

1500
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 8: wrote for the show too, but like, I think she

1501
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 8: wrote my favorite episode of Rick and Morty, which is

1502
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 8: watch that and you're.

1503
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 5: Like, oh, yeah, she knows what she's like.

1504
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: When I found that out, I was like, Wow. I

1505
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: was like, I have talked to a legend because my

1506
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: nephew one. Obviously I can't probably one of the most

1507
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: iconic episodes of Rick and Morty, which means it's one

1508
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: of the most iconic episodes of adult animation, but my

1509
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 1: nephew loves Pickleick. My nephew has Pickleorick toys. My nephew

1510
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: sings the Pickle Riick song. So like when I found

1511
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: that out, I was like, I'm gonna get cool points.

1512
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 3: The show is just right.

1513
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 1: So we're gonna be four episodes in when this airs,

1514
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: but three episodes in. How does it feel to like

1515
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: see you know, we follow each other on social we

1516
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: see all the fun memes, we send them to each

1517
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: other and stuff, But like, how's it been for you

1518
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,759
Speaker 1: to see people just embrace the vibe of the show

1519
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 1: and the comedy and the tone and just something that's

1520
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: totally different than what we've seen in the MCU before.

1521
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 8: Dude, it's it's it's it's so fucking surreal because like

1522
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 8: you know this like we wrote this in like twenty

1523
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 8: nineteen was like yeah, like November twenty ninteen was like

1524
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 8: the first day that we started, so like we wrote

1525
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 8: this stuff and this is before, Like you know, really

1526
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 8: I think Gauss of this all the Jessica I call

1527
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 8: her goal gaust this all the time. She's like Vision

1528
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 8: walks so we could run. It's like no one, it's

1529
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 8: no one expected like this level of shit. Posts like

1530
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 8: that didn't exist back then. Like you just wrote a

1531
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 8: show that you thought were funny, Like you didn't think

1532
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,600
Speaker 8: that anyone was gonna latch onto like Vision wearing like

1533
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 8: a black turtle Nick and making him like a pitch

1534
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 8: Black return. Yeah, like no one would have would have

1535
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 8: pictured that, So like we didn't picture that like people

1536
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 8: were going to latch on to like you know, step

1537
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 8: on me, mommy, like and we know that was going

1538
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 8: to be the energy for.

1539
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 5: Social media posts for the show.

1540
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 8: It's been really cool seeing like people like really dig

1541
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 8: it and also just like seeing like the real like Sheehawk,

1542
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 8: Like you know you're on set and you see tatty

1543
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 8: on in like the gray like gray makeup and stuff

1544
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 8: on my platforms. You're like, I don't know how this

1545
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 8: is gonna like be a real thing, Like how does

1546
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 8: this work? Like I've seen it happen, but like you know,

1547
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 8: and the moment you're like you're looking at like PlayStation

1548
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 8: three graphics and you're like, oh man, how does this

1549
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 8: become a real person? And then like so like the

1550
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 8: VFX team puts in tons and tons and tons and

1551
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 8: tons of work and makes the real thing, and like

1552
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 8: now that people are actually out and enjoying it, it's

1553
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 8: been really cool.

1554
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 5: I'm super stoked. Like it's been a very very surreal,

1555
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 5: real year.

1556
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're definitely right about how the the ship post

1557
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: conversation set you guys up so perfectly to be in

1558
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: conversation with fans in a way that like none of

1559
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: us could have even seen. Like the memification of the

1560
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: MCU is incredible, and so like again, you know it's

1561
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: funny because I'm just like, how does it feel to

1562
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 1: be part of the MCU.

1563
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 3: You mentioned like you are a fan of this stuff,

1564
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 3: So what's that side of it been?

1565
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: Like being in the room and shaping Like She's like

1566
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: iconic character, like we forget I love the MCU began with,

1567
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: like what we're essentially B C D level characters because

1568
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: license saying she was up there above pretty much most

1569
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: of the characters that we started them to you with.

1570
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 3: So how does it feel to be part of them?

1571
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: CU but also be bringing this like such an iconic

1572
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: character to life, Dude.

1573
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 8: I mean this is the end game, Like the end

1574
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 8: game was getting into you job like that would be like, really,

1575
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 8: my first my first big staffing job was kind of crazy. Again,

1576
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 8: I cannot praise Goal enough for putting me on and

1577
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 8: give me my first shot.

1578
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 5: Like the room's.

1579
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 8: Fantastic, you know, majority women, majority black women, which is

1580
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 8: like just rare in Hollywood. Uh, and like really letting

1581
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 8: letting me flag my freak fly my freak flag as

1582
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 8: high as I possibly could. She's already told the story,

1583
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 8: so like it's not a spoiler now, but like there

1584
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 8: was one day they were trying to they were we

1585
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 8: were talking about Daredevil in the room, like hey, like

1586
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 8: how does his power work?

1587
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah, Like what's his vibe?

1588
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 8: And I just happened to have Mark Waite's uh comic

1589
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 8: in my backpack and I pulled out you know the

1590
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 8: scene where like he's walking with Foggy. Yeah, it's like

1591
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 8: that the double spread, like you see his powers and

1592
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 8: stuff like this is how it works.

1593
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 5: And like they all like stopped and like you have

1594
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 5: to calm down, Like you cannot be the guy pa

1595
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 5: chill out a.

1596
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 8: Literal comic book in the middle of a conversation, like

1597
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 8: we appreciate the enthusiasm, but you need to relax.

1598
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 5: Like that was very much me.

1599
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 8: Every day, like I'm going like I made it, Like

1600
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 8: I'm I'm going to Disneyland every single day and hanging

1601
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 8: out with some of the funniest, most talented writers that

1602
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 8: yeah that you.

1603
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: That are in the game right now, that would definitely

1604
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,759
Speaker 1: be me, Like I would have to be doing having

1605
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: my ultimate filter on because every single second I be like, oh,

1606
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 1: like Issue two hundred and thirty six, like, oh yeah, character,

1607
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: let's make John Buscama Easter arc.

1608
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, like you know, you're you're reading the room and stuff,

1609
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 8: and like I really like one of my good friend

1610
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 8: that really made in the room was was zeb zeb

1611
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 8: Welles who's writing amazing Spider Man now, but like he

1612
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 8: would be sitting next to me and like during lunch breaks.

1613
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 8: I'd see like I'd be seeing on his computer typing

1614
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 8: away and like what is that? Like I'd see like

1615
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 8: a giant spread of like man fighting like three giant

1616
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 8: giant bugs, Like what are you doing? He's like, Oh,

1617
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 8: I'm writing comic books, Like this is the art that

1618
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 8: I get in for my next issue. And then like, oh, right,

1619
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 8: you can do that, like this is how it works?

1620
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 8: Like yeah, me, and do you want to write comic books?

1621
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 8: I was like, Doug, like honestly, like that room also

1622
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 8: is what got me into like writing comics, Like that,

1623
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 8: I like, I zeb saw me pull out a comic book.

1624
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 8: He's like all right, he's one of my own. And

1625
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 8: like he's how he put me in contact with the

1626
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 8: Spider An officers. Like it's really everything that I've been doing

1627
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 8: right now I've got because Gail took a shot on

1628
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 8: me and put me in the place to make all

1629
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 8: these connections and make some really good friends.

1630
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 3: That is so rad and kind of talk.

1631
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: Well, I guess we'll we'll jump into making new friends

1632
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:32,440
Speaker 1: because I feel like the MC's new BFFs are introduced

1633
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: in episode but before we get.

1634
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 3: To them, because they are the best part. Wong as

1635
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 3: a Madison.

1636
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: You will all be knowing Madison's name very soon if

1637
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 1: you haven't already.

1638
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 3: But the episode.

1639
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 1: Starts with a very funny easter egg that answered, well,

1640
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 1: a very funny kind of joke that answered a lot

1641
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: of questions. You know, you know how this stuff is?

1642
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: I am this is like basically most of my job is.

1643
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 3: Just working out what's this, what's that? What does this

1644
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 3: relate to? Where did this come from? So there had

1645
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 3: been a lot of like a lot of people have.

1646
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 1: Been very excited because they'd seen something that they thought

1647
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: said Johnny Blaze in the trailers leading into Shee Hold.

1648
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 1: I had noticed that it didn't have enough letters to

1649
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: be Johnny, so I tried to tempt people's expectations. Yeah,

1650
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 1: but it is actually something that maybe better than Johnny Blaze,

1651
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: which is Donny Blaze, the shoddy magician who somehow got

1652
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 1: his hands on a sheet on a sling ring. So

1653
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: could you talk a little bit about that and how

1654
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: fun it is because it just sets up this episode.

1655
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 3: So brilliantly and just that comedy that we know is

1656
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 3: really going to be at the four.

1657
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, So this was actually like this is so this

1658
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 8: was written by Melissa Hunter one of the fantastic writer

1659
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 8: actress in her own right, and this was actually I

1660
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 8: think this might have been like the second script written

1661
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 8: in the room was like Melissa, So like you know,

1662
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 8: one of the big things that go was that Gallas

1663
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 8: would have like really into is like you know where

1664
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 8: she holks to be LA based, because one we live

1665
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 8: in LA and also into you everything takes place in

1666
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 8: New York and like it's a joke to go like

1667
01:29:58,479 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 8: the West Coast Avengers, like you.

1668
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 5: Very rarely get to bring out in LA.

1669
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 8: So like, yeah, let's have fun with this and like

1670
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 8: you know, we really want to hit all the like

1671
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 8: some of the like LA specifics like Magic Castle, Like

1672
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 8: that's a that's a thing that's really known out here,

1673
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 8: Like it's a very specific type of person that would

1674
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 8: be into that. It's also a very specific type of

1675
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 8: person that like can't even make it to the Magic Castle,

1676
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 8: Like yeah, the junior leagues of Magic Castle, So like

1677
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 8: that'd be fun, and like you know, the whole conceit

1678
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 8: of the show is that like it's a it's an episode,

1679
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 8: or it's a h a trial of the week or

1680
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 8: a thing of the week, so like it's it's through

1681
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 8: and through a sipcom from up and up top to bottom,

1682
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 8: and like I can't remember how we got into to it,

1683
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 8: but we're like, yeah, it'd be funny if like there's

1684
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 8: like there's got to be dropouts right that went to

1685
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 8: like the Mystic School of the Arts that like couldn't

1686
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 8: cut it, or like like you know what, we can't

1687
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 8: imagine that Doctor Stringers like the only guy to like

1688
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 8: sort of like calls the commotion there. So like, yeah,

1689
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 8: well if we got that guy that made it like

1690
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 8: two semesters into magic School got kicked out and this

1691
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 8: is like this is like his grip now is like

1692
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 8: working these things and like that sort of like the

1693
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 8: concept of the show and that's where it all came from.

1694
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 5: So like once you.

1695
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 8: Get that in order, like when she had the comedy

1696
01:30:58,200 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 8: engine in, you can just add in any funny thing

1697
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 8: you too. And like Melissa would do this really funny

1698
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 8: pitch in the room where she was like Onenger should

1699
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 8: have like a like this like party girl that meets

1700
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 8: her and like he should be like the Madison and

1701
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 8: like she would always do this joke that made it

1702
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 8: in the episode She's like my name's Madison with an

1703
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 8: eye and out of a y, but not the one

1704
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 8: you think. And she used to do that and like

1705
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 8: we would laugh so hard in the room and like

1706
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 8: we were like she was like, yeah, we got to

1707
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 8: put that in, and like she she bit it in.

1708
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,600
Speaker 8: There's like all the funny stuff in the room is

1709
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 8: like it's just like basically taking all of our toys

1710
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 8: and like little sandbox and smashing them together like the

1711
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 8: best comedic effect.

1712
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1713
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: So, speaking of Madison, who I do love and everyone

1714
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 1: will be saying it soon. Yeah, Madison with two ends

1715
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: and a y but not what you think is and she.

1716
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 3: So she is the unlucky.

1717
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: Guest of you know, Donny Blaze who opens a sling

1718
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,640
Speaker 1: ring makes Madison disappear and you think that might be

1719
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: the last that you see of Madison, but lo and behold,

1720
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: Madison ends up on Wong's couch where Wong is trying

1721
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: to watch the Sopranos in a very relatable yeah there

1722
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 1: he and Madison is a is a perennial spoiler, which

1723
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: I love.

1724
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:09,839
Speaker 3: She just can't help but she's excited.

1725
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: So could you talk a little bit about how fun

1726
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: it was to be in the room when kind of

1727
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: working out that dynamic between wongas and Madison. Wong this

1728
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 1: kind of reluctant but also like very fucking funny, Like

1729
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: Benedict is so great, this kind of reluctant, franky guy,

1730
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: but who like he never tells Madison to leave like

1731
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:28,799
Speaker 1: he was his best friend.

1732
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, you get the sense that he likes that

1733
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 8: he likes he likes to have like a new friend around.

1734
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 8: Ye think that was very much some of the fun.

1735
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 8: The fun of the game was like pitting out this

1736
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 8: guy that you know, when Strange first came into Karmatous

1737
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 8: or whatever, he was like the he was like the

1738
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 8: new fresh guy in like Wong was like the stick

1739
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 8: in the MUDs. Like ituld be fun to like had

1740
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 8: that sort of those rules reversed. And also like it's

1741
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 8: just like a classic comedic pairing you put like this

1742
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 8: like sort of stick in the mud that also doesn't

1743
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 8: mind take his hair down, like you know, the big

1744
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 8: fun runner that sort of just popped up out of

1745
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 8: nowhere with all these movies. Is like Wong does not

1746
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 8: like he's not sticking around with like the big Yeah,

1747
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,560
Speaker 8: He's like, I'm out all this. So like it'd be

1748
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 8: very funny if like someone plopped in where he couldn't

1749
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,759
Speaker 8: get away from her, like he's always like he's always

1750
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 8: following him, and like you end up becoming begruddingly best friends,

1751
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 8: and like that was just like just a fun comedic

1752
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 8: coceit that, like you know, you get a bunch of

1753
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 8: wackos in a room, like, yeah, we gotta see you.

1754
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 8: We gotta beat this in the ground as much as

1755
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 8: we possibly can.

1756
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you talked about like the kind of legal

1757
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: comedy aspect, which I feel like really comes like episode

1758
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 1: one and two you're establishing it, but three and four

1759
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: you really get to have that fun like Boston legal esque,

1760
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: like wacky trial of the week. So and this is

1761
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: I feel like, really good comic book stuff because a

1762
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:41,639
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that she actually serves in the comics,

1763
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 1: all represents in the comics.

1764
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 3: Is like very boring. It's like trademark law. It ceases

1765
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 3: and desists.

1766
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 1: So this is perfect because Wong calls up Jen and

1767
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,799
Speaker 1: he's like, look, I need to cease and desist Donnie

1768
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: Blaze from using a slick ering and calling himself like

1769
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 1: a master.

1770
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 3: Of the magic carts. And that's kind of the trial

1771
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:02,520
Speaker 3: we get into. Sold. You talk a little bit about bringing.

1772
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: That because that's the most unique thing about she because

1773
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 1: it's very slice of life and ground level even though

1774
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: it's super human law.

1775
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like.

1776
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 8: First you gotta give a shout to the comics, like

1777
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 8: the Dan Slot run is like where a lot of

1778
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 8: that stuff came from. And like gal that was really

1779
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 8: like hero vision for the show, and like it definitely

1780
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 8: didn't hurt to have like an actual lawyer in the room,

1781
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 8: like Barbara Curry one of the supervising producers, like what

1782
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 8: she did practice law before she became a TV writer.

1783
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 8: So like whenever we would get to those scenes, like

1784
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 8: all right, what do like adults do when this stuff happened?

1785
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 8: Give the like real pertent information like all right, now

1786
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 8: we can like make it, make it funny. But like, yeah,

1787
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 8: you know, that's the perfect thing. That's usually like the

1788
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 8: perfect formula like a sitcon, like you know, you know,

1789
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 8: Cheers has the bar, like Seinfield has, like the the cafe.

1790
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 8: Even I guess Friends has like their like cafe they

1791
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 8: hang out with, like you know, the the like sort

1792
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 8: of like story anchor engine for this is like the courtrooms,

1793
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 8: like that's what you come for, Like you like a

1794
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 8: little bit like the legal stuff. You get your jokes in,

1795
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 8: but then like you get to go and like follow

1796
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 8: the fun as opposed to like actual procedural where you

1797
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 8: would be in the room for like four or five

1798
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 8: acts for like really heavy stuff. And yeah, this isn't

1799
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 8: fun anymore, Like we're not we don't like to have

1800
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 8: the three jokes per page, like we're now we're talking

1801
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 8: about deformation and.

1802
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 5: All this stuff. You know.

1803
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what was it kind of you talked a

1804
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 1: little bit about sandbox and I just feel like you're

1805
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 1: talking about kind of the breaking down of the show,

1806
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: breaking down an episode. What was it like to be

1807
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: able to just be like, oh, let's introduce the wrecking Crew.

1808
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, we're continuing this law of Wong

1809
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 1: always kind of getting away, and this is us introducing

1810
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 1: someone he can't get away from. How fun is it

1811
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 1: to be able to kind of like delve into what

1812
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:37,680
Speaker 1: is probably the most popular sandbox in the kind of

1813
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 1: cinematic world right now?

1814
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, look, obviously I was speaking as a

1815
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:44,720
Speaker 8: staff writer who was a super super into like the BMSU.

1816
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 8: For me, it was a dream like it was cool,

1817
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 8: like it was cool being like, you know, at one

1818
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 8: point we had like we had like three we had

1819
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 8: like two different whiteboards, one like the big board that

1820
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 8: had like the story stuff and one like a flip one.

1821
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 8: I would just have like characters or bits that we

1822
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 8: with that we would just like pitch, like, hey, what

1823
01:35:58,479 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 8: did this character showed up?

1824
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 5: Like what if we did this?

1825
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 8: Like just like basically like a list of like blue

1826
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 8: Sky ideas that we have for like episodes or like

1827
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 8: or like dumb cases or the week or whatever.

1828
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,440
Speaker 5: And like we also had two of the execs.

1829
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 8: Were in the room, Marvel execs, so like whenever we'd

1830
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 8: be like, hey, is this character available, we would just

1831
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 8: say them and then like it was like that the

1832
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 8: mentats and like doing like their eyes would rolling back

1833
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 8: to their head and then it come back down like actually,

1834
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:20,639
Speaker 8: this character is being used in this so we can't

1835
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:22,559
Speaker 8: use it, or like this character is still being owned

1836
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 8: by like Sony, so we can't use them, like all

1837
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 8: that stuff. So like it was cool just being like

1838
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 8: to be able to throw out like ideas and like

1839
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 8: or like characters and like they'd be like yes, yes, no, no, yes, yes,

1840
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 8: Like it was like it was like I really it

1841
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 8: felt like I was like doing like trip like comic

1842
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 8: book nerd trivia, Like what obscure character can I find

1843
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 8: that hasn't been scooped up by somewhere else that we

1844
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,719
Speaker 8: could use? And like it was it was just so fun,

1845
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 8: like just be wing like yell out like different yelling

1846
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 8: out like different combo characters, like a group of like

1847
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 8: nine other adults that are getting paid to do this for.

1848
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 5: The dream for a better job.

1849
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 3: And when it comes to like obviously you get there,

1850
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 3: you break it down, you seem Lessa's great pictures. What

1851
01:36:59,160 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 3: was it like to then.

1852
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: See Patty Guggenheim, who plays Madison, come and bring that

1853
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: character to life in just like the most perfect way, dude.

1854
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 8: So like yes, like we read the script in in

1855
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 8: the room and then like we we left and then

1856
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 8: like you know, the show shoots, so like literally the

1857
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 8: first time I saw it was like basically in the theater.

1858
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 8: Like that was like like I had seen some like

1859
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 8: roughs and dailies and stuff that, you know, but like

1860
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 8: I didn't get to see like the actual performance. But

1861
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 8: like you're watching it and you're like, oh, fuck, Patty

1862
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 8: is so good. I mean, if you don't know, like

1863
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 8: she's a fantastic comedic performer and she just a bunch

1864
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 8: of grundling stuff out here. But also she was in

1865
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 8: the show Florida Girls, which I think ran for like

1866
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 8: two or three seasons, but like she was fantastic on that,

1867
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 8: so like she was great, Like I I remember, I

1868
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 8: think we ran into I think I ran into her

1869
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 8: at like the after party and we were just like,

1870
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 8: oh my god, like you not only did you like

1871
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 8: kill it, but like you elevated the materials, like you

1872
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 8: made it Madison. Like I cannot picture anyone else being Madison,

1873
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 8: besides maybe Melissa because she did in the room. But like,

1874
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:54,719
Speaker 8: like just she was so good and she was so fun,

1875
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 8: and like it's one of those things where like you

1876
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 8: want to just like now I just want to like

1877
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 8: watch the whole series of like Wongers than Matt. Yes,

1878
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 8: I just want to watch that for like for like

1879
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 8: six issues or six episodes or whatever, next to what

1880
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 8: they get onto.

1881
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 1: No completely And also like what I love about it

1882
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:10,640
Speaker 1: is it's like Patty, I hope you're prepared because like

1883
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 1: that has a kind of Jimmy wou style, Like you

1884
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 1: feel like this is going to be a character who's

1885
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: going to be coming back. Actually, when I spoke, when

1886
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 1: I spoke to Jessica at the Press Junglet. She'd said,

1887
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,719
Speaker 1: like her dream was to do like a wongas in Madison,

1888
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 1: like Halloween Special, which I'm just like, how.

1889
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 3: Good would that be?

1890
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: What would like if just play in because obviously this

1891
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: is this is absolutely playing no zig is not revealing anything,

1892
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,799
Speaker 1: but like in your dream of the soundbox and everything,

1893
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: what would you like to do with Madison?

1894
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 3: Like if you could do anything and throw out any wild.

1895
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 8: Character, you know what you want to I want to

1896
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 8: see Madison on vacation with Wong, Like I want to

1897
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 8: see them on like a.

1898
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 5: Cruise ship and like there's like like there's a cruise ship.

1899
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 8: Maybe there's like uh, you know, Dazzler is like the

1900
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 8: on board or whatever, and like there's no real high

1901
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 8: stakes of just them on a cruise like being like, uh,

1902
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,760
Speaker 8: like a begrudging couple for like you know, thirty minutes

1903
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 8: or how along the actual thing is. Like I want

1904
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 8: to see them like I want to see like they

1905
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 8: run out like shrimp cocktails like Wong does his game

1906
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 8: signs and like pops more down like the mirror to mention,

1907
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 8: Like I just want to see them existing in like

1908
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:15,839
Speaker 8: a confined space on the ship for like an episode.

1909
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all they want to see.

1910
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:19,640
Speaker 3: That sounds perfect. And also we would definitely we know

1911
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 3: Wong long As loves karaoke, so I could definitely see

1912
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 3: them some good performances, maybe something you know.

1913
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 8: What classes the Hypno Hustler breaks in and like the

1914
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 8: face to steal, so it becomes a four way fight

1915
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 8: between Wongers Dazzler versus Hypno Hustler.

1916
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 1: That sounds absolutely brilliant. I'm like Figy, let's let's screen light.

1917
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 3: I would love to watch. You could do so much

1918
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 3: fun with that as well.

1919
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 1: With the cruise ship, because like you know, they do

1920
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 1: these like comic book cruise ships where like cartoon comic

1921
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,680
Speaker 1: book Critz. You could have it where there's like they

1922
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 1: just so happen to be on one where it's loads

1923
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 1: of like X superheroes, Yeah, minor level superheroes. So you've

1924
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 1: got people doing little signings and everything. That could be

1925
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 1: so funn and well it was like so fun, this

1926
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 1: is the wrong cruise.

1927
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 3: He does not want to be on that.

1928
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 5: Cruise Longers have some fun. Yeah, come on.

1929
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 3: Long As, we gotta go watch you know endgame. Do

1930
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 3: you know what happens at the end.

1931
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: It's just such a delightfully fun episode.

1932
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 3: And do you have like a when you got to sit.

1933
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:21,919
Speaker 1: There in the theater and at the El Captana Disney's

1934
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 1: Theater and watch them at the premiere, did you have

1935
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 1: like a favorite moment or something that kind of surprised

1936
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: you from any of the first episodes.

1937
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 8: Uh? Yes, So, like I seeing the the Meg the

1938
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 8: Stallion tag, which was was so fucking cool because like

1939
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 8: you know, I don't we had I think we had

1940
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 8: like a different tag in the original like orders room,

1941
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,679
Speaker 8: and I think that's something that that goal added later.

1942
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 8: But like she told me, I remember she just told

1943
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 8: me about like yeah we got we got Meg.

1944
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:47,719
Speaker 5: Don't tell anything else.

1945
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,640
Speaker 8: I just can't out and like and like seeing it

1946
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 8: like actually happened, like seeing the crowd like lose their mind.

1947
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 8: That was so so fun and so like cool, like

1948
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 8: like oh yeah, the jokes are like landing and like

1949
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 8: it's it's one of those things where like like when

1950
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,640
Speaker 8: we like left the screen, we're like, oh man, that's

1951
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,519
Speaker 8: the one that's going to like break Twitter for like

1952
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 8: this course is going to be impossible for like seven

1953
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 8: days and like you're just gonna see nothing but that

1954
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 8: gift time after time, and.

1955
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:12,679
Speaker 5: It was true.

1956
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 1: And now everyone now that we know that she can

1957
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 1: talk and we've seen her do the Hult clap, now

1958
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 1: we need to see so I was put together and

1959
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 1: she would definitely be.

1960
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 3: Able to beat as we all know.

1961
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 5: Too much power.

1962
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 1: And kind of like another thing that I just think

1963
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: is so wonderful about this show that you've kind of

1964
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 1: touched on with yours and Zeb's roles, but I think

1965
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 1: it comes in on every level, like when I was

1966
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 1: speaking to Jessica and to cat about like building in

1967
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 1: the comic book aspects is so important, but to do

1968
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 1: it from like Jen's perspective, which I love. Kind of

1969
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:50,000
Speaker 1: that we saw with the Wrecking Crew, how much kind

1970
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 1: of intention I'm guessing by having Zeb and you there

1971
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:54,759
Speaker 1: it was a lot, But how intentionally did it feel

1972
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 1: when you were in that room kind of that you

1973
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 1: were purposefully trying to make this feel like comic book

1974
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 1: because it feels like single issues, It feels.

1975
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 3: Like that story of the week.

1976
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 1: It feels like, yeah, you get something bigger if you

1977
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: watch it, but you could watch any of them and

1978
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 1: have fun.

1979
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that definitely, Like obviously we had a

1980
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 8: fantastic head writer Sherwin, which was yesterday, Like I'm sure

1981
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 8: she told you her pedigree, but like she worked in

1982
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 8: the comedy Shoption she was like sixteen, Like she she's

1983
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:23,519
Speaker 8: a huge, huge comic fan, particularly just like not just

1984
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 8: supero stuff like the indie stuff, like she loves love

1985
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 8: and Rocket Like she's a huge fan. Also like one

1986
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:32,600
Speaker 8: of the other writers, Jackie Gell, she wrote her and

1987
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:34,719
Speaker 8: her sister wrote the third episode with Megan the style

1988
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 8: and like she was also a huge comic book nerd.

1989
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 8: So like you have like you know, you have it

1990
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 8: coming down from the top of Jessica and then zeb

1991
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 8: and then me and Jackie and like all the other

1992
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 8: people in the room. It was just like it was great,

1993
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 8: Like like you said, like you have whole days, like

1994
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 8: you're just talking about like what characters are would be

1995
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 8: fun to like see interact with like jin and like

1996
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 8: the idea is that, like you know, Jessica, you know

1997
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:55,640
Speaker 8: she would like she had written she has written so

1998
01:42:56,120 --> 01:43:00,320
Speaker 8: much television, like she has written tru Like she like

1999
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 8: she has fully put in her ten thousand hours fifteen

2000
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 8: times over. So like she was like very much like

2001
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 8: their edic was like we wanted to feel like a

2002
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 8: TV show, like a classic sitcom, where like, yeah, there's

2003
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:12,280
Speaker 8: like a little bit of a through line, but the

2004
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 8: ideas that like, yeah, you could just pop up in

2005
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 8: any episode like oh cool, this is what happening this week,

2006
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 8: and like it's been really cool seeing that like transition

2007
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 8: to like the final end of it. But like yeah,

2008
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 8: like we would have full, full, full, like weeks of

2009
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:25,640
Speaker 8: Blue Sky, and we were just talking about like the

2010
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:27,839
Speaker 8: fun comic book stuff that would make us like super

2011
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 8: happy and super nerdy, and then like after we would

2012
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 8: get done yelling about it, they're all right, we have

2013
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 8: to do actual work now, real TV stuff.

2014
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:34,720
Speaker 5: Is No.

2015
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 1: That makes so much sense though, that that was Jessica's

2016
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 1: intention about the TV thing, because I've spoken to so

2017
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 1: many people comic book people, not comic book people like

2018
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: who are just like this feels like it could be

2019
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 1: running on ABC for nine seasons.

2020
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it.

2021
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 3: Feels like a classic TV sitcom.

2022
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 1: Did you go back and kind of like dig into

2023
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 1: anything like Boston League or Aliu McBeal like personally to

2024
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 1: kind of get the vibe of of what you guys

2025
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 1: were going for.

2026
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, so before we started, Gal sent out a like, uh,

2027
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:08,920
Speaker 8: like the Bible for like the show and then like, hey,

2028
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 8: you should watch these series because this is really what

2029
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 8: like it's gonna be, like we're really grabbing a lot

2030
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 8: of stuff from this. But like, you know, flea Bag

2031
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:16,439
Speaker 8: was actually big when for like the first wall breaking,

2032
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:18,640
Speaker 8: because it was like such a fun way of like

2033
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:21,639
Speaker 8: doing it, and like it played into like Fleabag's character

2034
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 8: for the for the arc and like and I could

2035
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 8: yell about Fleeback favor so I won't be that.

2036
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 1: But like fag No, but you can see the flea

2037
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 1: Bag influence on the show for sure. Even the way

2038
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,880
Speaker 1: that something that I think is really cool that the

2039
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 1: show kind of learns from Fleabag is like the way

2040
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 1: that the fourth wall breaks can impact other things that

2041
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 1: are going on, which isn't so much something you can

2042
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:42,439
Speaker 1: explore as well in comics but in TV. And I

2043
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 1: love that first introduction of Jen properly breaking the wall

2044
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 1: where she has no idea what's going on behind her

2045
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 1: and then she just agrees to something and she's like,

2046
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 1: so that's really cool for sure.

2047
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2048
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like I'll be anxious about that for months.

2049
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 5: Like doing what I just said, Yeah, what did I

2050
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 5: agree to?

2051
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:06,720
Speaker 8: Uh So fleabag better call Saul because it like, yes,

2052
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 8: it's a drama, but like, you know, those shows are

2053
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 8: so funny, like they I mean, they could very easily

2054
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 8: if they if you cut them down to twenty two minutes,

2055
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 8: they could just be straight up commedies that.

2056
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 5: They're going too. And coincidentally, the OJ Simpson was it

2057
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 5: was it?

2058
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:23,759
Speaker 1: Oh the Ryan Murphy American Crime Story.

2059
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, a lot of it dealing with like, uh,

2060
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 8: I can't remember her, the character's name, but like a

2061
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 8: lot of the throughround of the show is like dealing

2062
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:34,720
Speaker 8: with like this lady's persona inside the court and like

2063
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 8: how the media portrays her outside of the court system,

2064
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 8: and like that's you know, obviously, like that's something that's

2065
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:41,640
Speaker 8: been seated in shields. So like those are like the

2066
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 8: three big things, like we really were really influential, or

2067
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 8: at least Gal told us to watch to get prepared

2068
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 8: for the mindset that we're going to come in for

2069
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 8: the room.

2070
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 1: That's really cool and it's nice to kind of all

2071
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,680
Speaker 1: be on the same page when you're looking for is

2072
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 1: obviously you can all bring in your own things that

2073
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 1: you love and your own.

2074
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 3: Styles the joy of writer's Room. But yeah, that's really core.

2075
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 1: And so something else that I think is kind of

2076
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 1: must have been wild about this show is a lot

2077
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 1: of the MCU shows so far have been pretty contained,

2078
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: even though they've con they've included massive characters obviously, and

2079
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 1: we've seen huge Avengers, all different kinds of people.

2080
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 3: Then we've seen new introductions sheolks.

2081
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 1: Seems like it would be this, like you said, sitcom focused,

2082
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:27,759
Speaker 1: interior funny. But within the first episode, you're introducing Bruce Banner,

2083
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:32,120
Speaker 1: You're bringing in like big, heavy Original Infinity Saga players.

2084
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 3: Then you're bringing in Wong so it's like Nojo, also

2085
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 3: Emil Blonski.

2086
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 1: So you're really getting to delve into the Incredible Hulk,

2087
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 1: which often gets kind of forgotten in the in the

2088
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 1: history of the MCU. What was that like, Because it's

2089
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:47,479
Speaker 1: a whole different level than just introducing a new character

2090
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 1: and kind of a spin off show is Oh, by

2091
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 1: the way, you're also going to have to make Bruce

2092
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: b and you're gonna tease things about Bruce Banner that

2093
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,879
Speaker 1: could be game changing for the whole MCU.

2094
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 8: You know, Yeah, I remember reading the pilot or I

2095
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:02,759
Speaker 8: can't remember if it was a pilot of the pitchdock

2096
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:04,920
Speaker 8: that Gal have put together. But I remember seeing like,

2097
01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:06,720
Speaker 8: you know, this is what the Hulk is doing and

2098
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 8: this is how a meal goes into it. And then

2099
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 8: like in the room when they were like breaking the episode,

2100
01:47:10,360 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh shit, the Hulk is going to be

2101
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 8: in like our TV show.

2102
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 5: Like it's crazy, right.

2103
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:17,720
Speaker 8: I was like like, like a Hulk is going to

2104
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:19,720
Speaker 8: be in a spaceship and our TV show.

2105
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 5: That's that's insane. I can't leave. This is like an

2106
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 5: actual thing that's going to happen. So like it was.

2107
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 8: It was wild being like oh yeah, because that's when

2108
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:27,559
Speaker 8: that's one of the things moments where I'm like, oh yeah,

2109
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 8: I guess this. I forget that this is like a

2110
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 8: Marvel TV show. Like if you want to have the

2111
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 8: Hulk peer and a thing, you can just ask them

2112
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 8: be like yeah, Ruffalo would love to do more hook

2113
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 8: stuff like we would get in like that or like

2114
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 8: you know when you're like yeah, you guys, can you

2115
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 8: can use Matt Murdoch, I was like, we get to

2116
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 8: use are you wait what?

2117
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:46,599
Speaker 5: This is crazy? Like really this is a real thing.

2118
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 8: It was like it was so crazy, like it was

2119
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 8: just again so surreal to be like, oh man, like

2120
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 8: we're going to have the Hulk and she Hulk talked

2121
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 8: to each other, and like that's such a weird thing,

2122
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:00,320
Speaker 8: like as a like in your nerd brain and you're like,

2123
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 8: oh wow, this is like a real thing.

2124
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:02,599
Speaker 5: This is how it happens.

2125
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:04,120
Speaker 8: Like did you just get a bunch people in a

2126
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 8: room when they're excited about a thing and they ask

2127
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 8: them when and they're like, yeah, you can do that,

2128
01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 8: and then like soon and then like three years later,

2129
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,640
Speaker 8: Mark Ruffalo was like drinking decorated on a beach with

2130
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 8: like this cousin gin, Like it's such a it's so weird.

2131
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 8: You think would be so much like much harder to

2132
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:21,800
Speaker 8: connect those dots A to C, but it's like, yeah,

2133
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 8: if you ask it, it's available, like you can make

2134
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:24,840
Speaker 8: it happen, which is like.

2135
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 1: Crazy, Yeah, I guess in that way, it kind of

2136
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 1: and you will have experienced this now because now you're

2137
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 1: also like a comic writer and a brilliant spider punk

2138
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 1: with just Mason, like it kind of it's so similar

2139
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 1: to how comics are made, because yeah, in comics, like

2140
01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:43,960
Speaker 1: somebody will have had a really cool idea that maybe

2141
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:46,519
Speaker 1: they didn't think they just kind of offhandedly put into

2142
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 1: a comic book twenty years ago, and then someone else

2143
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 1: will pick it up twenty years later and be like, well, actually,

2144
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 1: what if it was this?

2145
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 3: So I love to hear that.

2146
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 1: It's very similar to that, kind of like picking up

2147
01:48:57,520 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 1: and expanding on what other great.

2148
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Speaker 3: People have done for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's that's funny.

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Speaker 8: Yeah I didn't eve think about that, but yeah, that's

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01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:04,880
Speaker 8: very much like how a lot of the characters came

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01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:05,559
Speaker 8: from Spider Punk.

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01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 5: It's that layer.

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Speaker 8: Like I mean, obviously I'm a huge task Master fan

2155
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:12,160
Speaker 8: in general, I love I loved the Misfits, but like

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01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 8: they were like, you know, we had Captain Anarchy and

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01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 8: like he was only in like a couple of like

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Speaker 8: a couple of shorts, and I was like, yeah, this

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01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 8: is a cool character, Like, but I also want my

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01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 8: team to be like all people of color, so like, yeah,

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Speaker 8: let's just make him like native and change his last

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01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:26,320
Speaker 8: name from Morgan Taw to morning dude, Like you could

2163
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:28,479
Speaker 8: do that, and yeah, yeah, great, do it? Like yeah,

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01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:31,000
Speaker 8: that's a that's the whole purpose, Like that's the whole idea.

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Speaker 8: Like even with the I can't say it, but like

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Speaker 8: I think I'm running now, like there's a character that

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01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 8: I'm introducing, and the whole I hope is that like

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Speaker 8: further down the line, people that are from that culture

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01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:40,680
Speaker 8: can like take that character and like expand on it.

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Speaker 8: Like I'm really just like putting like a little seed

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01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 8: that hopefully someone else can take and make it bigger

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01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:46,640
Speaker 8: and better ideas like I would never even possible to

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Speaker 8: think of.

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Speaker 1: I love that so much, And that's yeah, that's the joy.

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01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 1: It's the it's the ultimate continuous collaboration. And I think

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01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:56,240
Speaker 1: that it can be easy to imagine that that wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be the case in like a huge, multi million dollar,

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01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:03,920
Speaker 1: billion dollar franchise. But I love that these shows especially

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Speaker 1: are giving creators that space to pick up on those

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01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 1: little moments, to have someone in the room who says, hey,

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01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:12,760
Speaker 1: what about the wrecking Crew?

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Speaker 8: And someone goes, is it like that Carol Davers just

2183
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 8: shows up at the last episode of like Miss Marvel,

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01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:18,640
Speaker 8: Like how cool is that?

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01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 6: Oh?

2186
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 3: I literally die? And also like even that's a great

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01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:23,920
Speaker 3: example of them.

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Speaker 1: Something I really love about these shows that I think

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01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:29,640
Speaker 1: is what's so unprecedented about them just in general in

2190
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:31,679
Speaker 1: any space, not even.

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01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 3: Just the superhero space.

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01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 1: We've rarely seen TV shows and movies that are so

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01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 1: interconnected and actually have such a huge impact. So Captain

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01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: Marvel turning up. They were so good and it was

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01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:46,719
Speaker 1: so comics. I had to explain to so many different

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01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 1: people what happened. I was like, no, Miss Marvel is

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01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: not shape shifting. It's all about these things called the

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01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 1: Naga bands. Don't get me started on Rick Jones, like

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01:50:55,040 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 1: in this whole thing, but and also like Bisher and

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01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, Sona and everyone getting to introduce mutation and

2201
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 1: getting to have that the theme play, Like, yeah, that

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01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 1: is so exciting. And how is that aspect of this been?

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01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 1: Not just being able to play with the sandbox of

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01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 1: the past and these characters you love and kind of

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01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 1: get to be in this Disneyland like you said every day,

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01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 1: But how does it feel to imagine.

2207
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:26,719
Speaker 3: The things that you're seeding?

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01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 1: And how in five years you could be sitting in

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Speaker 1: a theater after you've been writing something else one or

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01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: your Emmys. Now you're just chilling and you see something

2211
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:36,400
Speaker 1: that you established in this show.

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01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:38,400
Speaker 3: What's that kind of feel like?

2213
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:39,920
Speaker 5: Dude, It's it's so weird.

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01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:42,960
Speaker 8: So like when I was in I went to Savannah

2215
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 8: Colia Art Design for Mike rad mi rad degree in

2216
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 8: film and like I met this dude there, who of

2217
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:50,760
Speaker 8: course was from North Carolina like me.

2218
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:51,960
Speaker 5: His name is Andy Suravante.

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01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:53,880
Speaker 8: Like we were the guys that were always watching, like

2220
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:55,840
Speaker 8: we're gonna see guarding the Gaxy, We're gonna go see

2221
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 8: ant Man. Like we were just like huge like Marvel fans.

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01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 8: Like I remember, like we were room and like he

2223
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,679
Speaker 8: had like one of those like Iron Man hot toys

2224
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 8: in his room. Like we were broke as fuck, but

2225
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:06,720
Speaker 8: like save his money and buy one of those. Like

2226
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 8: these were like those were like what we did. So

2227
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 8: like it was so cool going to see those. Then

2228
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:13,160
Speaker 8: like you know, flash fast forward like ten years, like

2229
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 8: we're on set together, Like I was on set, like

2230
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 8: Andy was like working on this show, like he works

2231
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:18,720
Speaker 8: on a bunch of like the Marble shows because he

2232
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:20,680
Speaker 8: didn't land in. Like it was so cool, like just

2233
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 8: sitting there, like we're sitting there like just like talking

2234
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:24,720
Speaker 8: and like we see like you know, Gal was like

2235
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:27,200
Speaker 8: talking Tatiana about notes whatever, and then we're like this

2236
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:28,960
Speaker 8: is crazy, like this is surreal, Like you did it.

2237
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 5: You went, yeah, we did it.

2238
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 8: Like we went from like being the fans like working

2239
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 8: on the thing and like like I remember, like we

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01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 8: each took a picture, like the first time the credits

2241
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 8: role like send it to one another was so so cool,

2242
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:40,439
Speaker 8: but like, yeah, it's so wild to be like, oh yeah,

2243
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:42,519
Speaker 8: maybe a thing that I write will like be referenced

2244
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 8: or like would be cool if like you see she

2245
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 8: pop up at like Avenger seven or whatever.

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01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:48,840
Speaker 3: Oh, you know it's gonna happen. Like, I know you

2247
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 3: can't say anything because we don't want people to think

2248
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:52,840
Speaker 3: you're confirming things. But let's be real.

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01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:56,080
Speaker 1: I've had so many people message me and be like,

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Speaker 1: does this mean a force is happening if she always so?

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01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:03,559
Speaker 1: I think that the people are still so excited about

2252
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 1: the idea of different people getting to lead teams.

2253
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it needs to be as

2254
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 3: binary as it has.

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Speaker 1: Had to be in comics before, but like you said,

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Speaker 1: like teams of people of color, teams that are predominantly

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01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:16,720
Speaker 1: lived by women, Like that's the stuff that people want

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01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 1: to see. And in a really brilliant way, she Hulk

2259
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 1: introduces that not just because she holped like was the

2260
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:25,840
Speaker 1: original leader of a Force, which was the all first

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01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 1: all female Avengers team, though not by name of the title,

2262
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 1: but they are the Avengers in the comics, but also

2263
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 1: because the show is just mad inclusive, because that's just

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01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 1: what we care about and what people like Jessica care about.

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Speaker 3: It's really cool to hear you say.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't gotten to speak to Jessica a lot,

2267
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:43,800
Speaker 1: but it's it's very cool to you say that she

2268
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,400
Speaker 1: loves Love and Rockets because that's like my jam and

2269
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:48,519
Speaker 1: so I have Love and Rockets tattoos.

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01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:52,599
Speaker 3: So it's like, I love that. We're at a place

2271
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:55,000
Speaker 3: now where our peers are people who grew up with

2272
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 3: this stuff and they don't just love one type of comic.

2273
01:53:58,080 --> 01:53:59,680
Speaker 3: They don't it's not the who oh do you love

2274
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:00,200
Speaker 3: marvel d.

2275
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:02,160
Speaker 1: It's like you love both, but you also love Love

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01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 1: and Rockets, or you love image, your your what's your

2277
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:07,479
Speaker 1: special topic? Is it the founding of image comics? Is

2278
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 1: it the history of Saga?

2279
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 6: Is it?

2280
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:12,360
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, you know, hell boy, I love that.

2281
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 1: That's the space we're in now, where like this thing

2282
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:17,559
Speaker 1: that people used to tell us, oh, please stop talking

2283
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:19,599
Speaker 1: about that, or like just like go.

2284
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:21,640
Speaker 3: Talk to your friends and that now everyone's coming to

2285
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:23,760
Speaker 3: us and they're like, so what does this mean? Like

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01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 3: which comic should I read? It's kind of a joy.

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01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:26,599
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:28,200
Speaker 8: I mean she put them into a bunch of great stuff,

2289
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:30,679
Speaker 8: like she put them on eleven rockets dorkin or dork

2290
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:33,280
Speaker 8: Oh yeah yeah, like she like like I said, like

2291
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 8: she spent years working at a comic shop and like

2292
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:38,520
Speaker 8: that's back before like you know, you had like social media,

2293
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,520
Speaker 8: so like you would have to go to like cons

2294
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 8: to meet other indie comics, indie providers or whatever or

2295
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:45,640
Speaker 8: be like, oh, we don't have this, but like there's

2296
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 8: a shop two towns over the next where you go

2297
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 8: to find like the weird, cool indie stuff. Go there,

2298
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:51,840
Speaker 8: like oh cool, I'll do that. So like it was

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01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 8: just dope and also like you know, you know, you'd

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01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:57,400
Speaker 8: be on your lunch break, so like the Marvel Studio's

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01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:00,160
Speaker 8: office is like you walk in and there's like all

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01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:02,920
Speaker 8: of iron Man's first like three suits, the craziest folks.

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01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:04,760
Speaker 8: Like you walk around they just have props and stuff.

2304
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:06,320
Speaker 8: But like in the kitchen area they just have like

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01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 8: their wall of comics. It was just like basically every

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01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 8: trade paperback you could ever possibly want to read. And

2307
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:13,920
Speaker 8: like you know, sometimes like you be on your lunch break,

2308
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 8: like oh you know what I haven't read like Secret Wars,

2309
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 8: like just gonna read that or like, man, you know

2310
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:20,440
Speaker 8: I always wanted to see like what what you know

2311
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:22,280
Speaker 8: Kamala's first run was like I haven't read that in

2312
01:55:22,280 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 8: a while, so like you go back and read that,

2313
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 8: so like it really is just like being like oh, man,

2314
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:27,720
Speaker 8: like these people that like made comic books that get

2315
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:30,320
Speaker 8: paid absolutely garbage and still get paid garbage, but like

2316
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 8: it's cool being like, oh yeah, like this is the honestly,

2317
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 8: like this built this empire. Like these writers and artists

2318
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 8: and editors, put in leeditors and all all people that

2319
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 8: made this stuff like built this empire just by like

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01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:44,480
Speaker 8: working together and making really cool cool pop art. Like

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01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 8: that's just like you know, you what you did. You

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01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 8: don't think about it, you know. It's just like so

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01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:50,600
Speaker 8: cool seeing that. Like that's that's where like art can

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01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 8: lead to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

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01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 1: I remember the first time when I really started to

2327
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:57,720
Speaker 1: realize that the two worlds like do cross pollinate.

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01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:00,760
Speaker 3: They did this book. It was like it was.

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01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:04,720
Speaker 1: A re vamped version of an old Marvel title Strange Tales,

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01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 1: which is obviously that's like a very premiere title, but

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01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 1: they did a short anthology collection version of it where

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01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:13,240
Speaker 1: each story was like a weird story by an indie cartoonist.

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01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:17,480
Speaker 1: So you have Gilbert Hernandez drawing Scarlet Witch and it's

2334
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 1: like Gilbert and he's drawing like Wander and they're on

2335
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:22,560
Speaker 1: like a beach party, and I was just like, oh,

2336
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 1: I was like, these are not two separate things.

2337
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 3: Like everybody who makes these the Henandas bros.

2338
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:30,879
Speaker 1: Make comics because they love these things, yes, and sometimes

2339
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:32,480
Speaker 1: Marvel will come to them and be like, hey, what

2340
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 1: are you saying? And I mean Gilbert did a even

2341
01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:36,720
Speaker 1: a wonder Woman comic. So it's so cool, like you said,

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01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:40,800
Speaker 1: and I love that even in this huge Hollywood space

2343
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,280
Speaker 1: and in a studio which is so much outside of

2344
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:47,280
Speaker 1: what publishing is doing, it's really lovely to know that

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01:56:47,320 --> 01:56:49,720
Speaker 1: they have those books. And even if, like you said,

2346
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, we have many dreams about how people would

2347
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:55,520
Speaker 1: get compensated in an ideal world, but we it's nice

2348
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 1: to know that they have them there. They're not trying

2349
01:56:57,160 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 1: to make that separation that we also worry about. You know,

2350
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,760
Speaker 1: we always want people to remember, like these other stories

2351
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:06,839
Speaker 1: that influence when it when it came to Sheeholk actually,

2352
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 1: because you mentioned the dance Loot run, which we've talked

2353
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:10,920
Speaker 1: about a lot on the show and I've written extensively about.

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01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 1: Were there any other comics that you revisited sheehol or

2355
01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 1: otherwise that really like got you into the zone of

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01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:16,760
Speaker 1: the show.

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01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2358
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:22,200
Speaker 8: I reread Mark's uh Daredevil because I've been willing to

2359
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:23,360
Speaker 8: read it for a while because I was a huge

2360
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:24,600
Speaker 8: fan of the show, and I was like, man, I

2361
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 8: haven't really read much Daredevil. Also have like Frank Miller's run,

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Speaker 8: and I was like, it's like a modern take and

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Speaker 8: like I remember buying like the trade paperback, like the

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01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:36,080
Speaker 8: first three issues or whatever or three copies of that,

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Speaker 8: and like reading that be like, man, Daredevil fucking rocks.

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Speaker 5: Like I forgot how fucking cool Daredevil is.

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01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 8: And like, you know, the seminal Hawkeye run, Like I

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01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:48,120
Speaker 8: reread Hawkey because I haven't read since it first came out,

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01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 8: and like that book is so fucking.

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01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:56,040
Speaker 1: Good, like unbelievable, like Fraction and Aha an unstoppable team. Yeah,

2371
01:57:56,080 --> 01:58:01,720
Speaker 1: and you just see the absolute aesthetic, artistic, story, narrative

2372
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:03,520
Speaker 1: influence that it had on the show, and it had

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01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 1: on those two characters it's unbelievable. Yeah, and that Mark

2374
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:08,480
Speaker 1: Wade run is so good. And the Paolo Manuel rire

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01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:12,160
Speaker 1: Vieira's art is like unreal. Did you this is just

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01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:14,600
Speaker 1: me giving you. I'm not quizzing you, I'm just giving

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01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:16,920
Speaker 1: your recommendation. Did you ever read the Charles Saw Their

2378
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:17,440
Speaker 1: Devil Run?

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01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 5: Nod?

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01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you should read.

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01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:22,560
Speaker 1: It because Charles he did a brilliant Sheeahoc run and

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01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 1: a brilliant Dead Devil run in my opinion, the best

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01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 1: of both, because he was a lawyer. Yeah, so he

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01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 1: brings that to the vibes the Charle Saw one. To me,

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01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:34,800
Speaker 1: I feel like spiritually that Sheehowk book is very in

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01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:37,000
Speaker 1: line with what you guys were doing, so definitely, and

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01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 1: the art in there is like unreal as well, Like

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01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 1: it's just, yeah, we're blessed. There's so many brilliant artists.

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01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:44,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because you're getting art back with

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01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:46,040
Speaker 1: Spider Man in it, you know.

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Speaker 8: So there's like Jason Mason is such a phenomenal artist,

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01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 8: and it's crazy to Spider Pug was his first book,

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01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:55,360
Speaker 8: his first Marvel book, Like I cannot wait that he's

2394
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 8: like drawing everything on the planet.

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01:58:57,400 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 5: Like he's such a cool, dude.

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Speaker 1: Art is so fucking good, Like it blows my mind whenever.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a big fan of that book.

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01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 3: But getting to see those pages and those characters and

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01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:09,960
Speaker 3: the stuff you guys did is just it's so exciting.

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01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:11,120
Speaker 3: We're in a we're in.

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01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,760
Speaker 8: A new era of Issue five comes out this month,

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01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:16,200
Speaker 8: and I think there's a particular like section of like

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01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:17,640
Speaker 8: art that he does that I think you're going.

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01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:18,680
Speaker 5: To use your mind.

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01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:20,000
Speaker 3: I'm so excited about it.

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01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean, as a writer, the best thing in the

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01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:25,360
Speaker 1: world is like getting that art back, you know, when

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01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:26,320
Speaker 1: from the artist.

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01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:28,240
Speaker 3: So what was it? You know, we kind of touched

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01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:31,560
Speaker 3: on it, But how does that feel in translate?

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01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 1: Like how does it compare to kind of getting to

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01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:36,400
Speaker 1: see a rough cut of something you wrote come to

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01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:37,480
Speaker 1: life for the first time?

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01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 5: Uh, it's it's I mean, this is the word of

2415
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 5: the day is surreal.

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01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:44,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's because like you know, you make it like

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01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:46,600
Speaker 8: little rinky dinky stuff like oh yeah, I've made some

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01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 8: short films do this, but like amaz yeah, amazine, but

2419
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:55,080
Speaker 8: like being like oh like justin sins In like these

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01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:57,520
Speaker 8: fantastic designs you're Like the first time I saw like

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01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:02,600
Speaker 8: his task Master, I was like, so I was like, yeah,

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02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:02,880
Speaker 8: you know.

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking maybe we could make him with like the fiend.

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02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 8: He's like, say less and then he came back to

2425
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 8: fat this is so cool or like his Kamala designs,

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02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:13,000
Speaker 8: like heyah, she has like the imbigan on like brass

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02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,520
Speaker 8: knuckles like that. It's just it's just so cool, Like

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02:00:15,560 --> 02:00:17,920
Speaker 8: it's it's so cool and like it's it's so it's

2429
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:20,480
Speaker 8: been so fun like personally for me, Like I think

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02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:22,200
Speaker 8: they say the same thing too, but like it's the

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02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:24,440
Speaker 8: most fun we've ever had, like writing anything.

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02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 5: Like the team is so great, darny.

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Speaker 8: The editor is grade uh, justin Jason is grade uh justin.

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02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:35,000
Speaker 5: The chorus is fantastic. Like the lettering is.

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02:00:35,320 --> 02:00:37,360
Speaker 3: The lettering is just unbelievable like that.

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02:00:37,480 --> 02:00:39,720
Speaker 1: I remember I messaged you and I was like who

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02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 1: is the letter and you as Travis and I was like,

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02:00:42,440 --> 02:00:45,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like that's I haven't seen a book

2439
02:00:45,480 --> 02:00:48,360
Speaker 1: in a long time from a big two publisher where

2440
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:50,440
Speaker 1: the lettering feels so much apart.

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02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:52,320
Speaker 3: It's that like it feels like you're a kid watching

2442
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:55,400
Speaker 3: that Man sixty six, Like the bad half it comes.

2443
02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:57,840
Speaker 3: It just feels like part of the story. Yeah, it's

2444
02:00:57,880 --> 02:00:58,520
Speaker 3: such a joy.

2445
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so and I'm ex that you I know

2446
02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:02,560
Speaker 1: you can't talk by it, but I'm excited that you're

2447
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,120
Speaker 1: still writing more comics because to me, I was like,

2448
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:09,040
Speaker 1: Spider Punk feels like that's going to be the ongoing.

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02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:13,160
Speaker 1: You know, that's the classic nothing fingers crossed, because we

2450
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:15,040
Speaker 1: know how it is. The way the Big Two works

2451
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:18,720
Speaker 1: now is they announce a lot of miniseries and people

2452
02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:20,440
Speaker 1: get super stoked for them and they love them, and

2453
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:23,440
Speaker 1: occasionally we get lucky enough that those might become ongoings

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02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:26,240
Speaker 1: or get continued. So I'm crossing my fingers because Spider

2455
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Speaker 1: Punk sells.

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02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:28,600
Speaker 5: Out in my shop nothing more.

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02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:32,839
Speaker 3: You guys such a stellar team. So yeah, that's really

2458
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:33,839
Speaker 3: that's really exciting.

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02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:36,680
Speaker 1: It reminds me a lot of like when I used

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02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:39,440
Speaker 1: to also work in a comic book shop and yeah,

2461
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Speaker 1: I know, shocking.

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02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:44,080
Speaker 3: Can you believe it? She doesn't know anything about them?

2463
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:47,920
Speaker 3: Why was she there? But I was there?

2464
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:51,800
Speaker 1: Just post like the Marvel Now relaunch that included Miss

2465
02:01:51,880 --> 02:01:56,400
Speaker 1: Marvel Kamala Khan's first appearance. The Young Avengers by Jamie

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02:01:56,720 --> 02:01:58,640
Speaker 1: McKelvey and Kerring Gillen, one of my favorite comics of

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Speaker 1: all time.

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02:01:59,040 --> 02:01:59,880
Speaker 3: Same with this Marvel.

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02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:04,400
Speaker 1: I feel like now with things like spider Punk with Hellians,

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02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:09,680
Speaker 1: I feel like we're in another exciting space like that again,

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02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:14,480
Speaker 1: where we're getting to see new iterations of classic characters,

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02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:16,440
Speaker 1: where we're getting to see things that feel like they're

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02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:21,080
Speaker 1: going to become formative, yeah and impact going forward.

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02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:23,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the way I mean, I've yelled about this

2475
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:25,360
Speaker 8: put you both on the show and off the show,

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02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:27,640
Speaker 8: But that's how I felt with like Kelly Thompson's Black Widow, like,

2477
02:02:27,680 --> 02:02:29,440
Speaker 8: oh you read that. I'm like like, oh, this is

2478
02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:32,520
Speaker 8: like what Hawkeye did for Hawkeye, this is what Blackwood.

2479
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:33,920
Speaker 8: This is what Kelly's Black Widow is going to do

2480
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:36,680
Speaker 8: for Black Widow. This is such a fun, exciting different book.

2481
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:39,960
Speaker 8: It's like I cannot wait for this new era of

2482
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:42,160
Speaker 8: like writers to get in and them artists to get in,

2483
02:02:42,280 --> 02:02:44,400
Speaker 8: like make these like new new generation.

2484
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:45,000
Speaker 5: Of comic books.

2485
02:02:45,120 --> 02:02:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really cool. And you are that for the

2486
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:48,839
Speaker 3: MCU now, which is amazing.

2487
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:50,960
Speaker 5: See it coming.

2488
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:52,600
Speaker 1: You did it, You did the Dream and you just

2489
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:53,960
Speaker 1: talked about stuff you loved.

2490
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:56,320
Speaker 3: You were funny as fuck what you are. And Jessica

2491
02:02:56,440 --> 02:02:58,520
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, this is gonna be good. For us,

2492
02:02:58,520 --> 02:03:01,080
Speaker 3: and it was because the show is so right. Okay,

2493
02:03:01,200 --> 02:03:03,840
Speaker 3: I got talk about this all day, but before we go,

2494
02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:07,280
Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming a joy and it

2495
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:09,760
Speaker 3: will not be the last time that Zick is here.

2496
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:12,080
Speaker 5: To talk about oh yes, yes, yeah.

2497
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:16,040
Speaker 1: So with that said, what can you kind of tease

2498
02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:18,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna be exciting about the rest of the season.

2499
02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:20,280
Speaker 3: You don't have to tease anything that you're gonna get

2500
02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:21,040
Speaker 3: in trouble about.

2501
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:23,200
Speaker 1: But is there like stuff that you're stoked for people

2502
02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:25,520
Speaker 1: to see, Like, I A, is there like what the

2503
02:03:25,560 --> 02:03:27,040
Speaker 1: fuck moment that you can't wait for?

2504
02:03:27,160 --> 02:03:31,440
Speaker 8: Yes, there's uh, yes, there's a very fun, big, what

2505
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:33,600
Speaker 8: the fuck moment that I will say nothing else about that.

2506
02:03:33,640 --> 02:03:36,560
Speaker 8: I am very excited about it. I think people are

2507
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:39,000
Speaker 8: gonna love it. I think you in particularly we're gonna

2508
02:03:39,120 --> 02:03:41,839
Speaker 8: love it. It's a very fun it's from the twisted

2509
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:44,760
Speaker 8: mind of Jessica Gal' like, it's great. It's really really

2510
02:03:44,760 --> 02:03:47,120
Speaker 8: fucking fun. It's it's really cool, and like even the

2511
02:03:47,160 --> 02:03:50,800
Speaker 8: second half of the season is gets somehow even better

2512
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:54,320
Speaker 8: and funnier. It's just I'm obviously I'm biased with the

2513
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:56,280
Speaker 8: calls Conferimence had of the house, but like it's some

2514
02:03:56,680 --> 02:03:58,680
Speaker 8: really fun ship towards the end of the end of

2515
02:03:58,760 --> 02:03:59,240
Speaker 8: the season.

2516
02:03:59,640 --> 02:04:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I can't wait and I'm so I'm so

2517
02:04:02,840 --> 02:04:04,760
Speaker 1: happy for you because you're just so great and the

2518
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:07,160
Speaker 1: show is so great and I love to be able

2519
02:04:07,200 --> 02:04:09,720
Speaker 1: to see people getting the show and all the funny,

2520
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:12,240
Speaker 1: sexy Sheeholk memes that we get to send each other.

2521
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:15,840
Speaker 8: Oh yes, our group chats are so diabolic at this point,

2522
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:19,200
Speaker 8: it's just the weirder the post we will send him directly.

2523
02:04:21,320 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, this was wonderful.

2524
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and can't wait to see your

2525
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Speaker 1: episode which is coming up in the second half of

2526
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:41,720
Speaker 1: the season. Yes, big thank you to Jason for joining

2527
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Speaker 1: us from vacation to dig deep into House of the Dragon.

2528
02:04:44,600 --> 02:04:46,240
Speaker 1: We know you love your master, so we had to

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Speaker 1: be here to talk about it. And of course thank

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Speaker 1: you to Cody.

2531
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Speaker 3: Ziggler, who we absolutely love. As Cody is not here,

2532
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:55,680
Speaker 3: I will plug things for him. Go follow Cody. He's great.

2533
02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:59,800
Speaker 1: Cody's an incredible writer. Cody was nominated for Robot Chicken recently,

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Speaker 1: I'm for an Emmy. Cody is writing she Holk, and

2535
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Speaker 1: Cody's going to be back talking more about Shea Holk

2536
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Speaker 1: I am as always at Rosie Marks with an X

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and letter box. You can also hear me

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Speaker 1: here sometimes introducing the podcast now, but most of the

2539
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Speaker 1: time I'm just talking about comics and very exciting news

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Speaker 1: that most of you know.

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Speaker 5: Still.

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Speaker 3: Xtra Vision has a new home.

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Speaker 1: The Takeline YouTube and Twitter channels are now dedicated to

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Speaker 1: all things XRV. So go check out xrvpod on Twitter

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Speaker 1: and xtra Vision on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Class are really really lovely.

2547
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Speaker 1: Xtra Vision Discord, which I just cannot overhype as being

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Speaker 1: such a cool chill space.

2549
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Speaker 3: Me and jasoner in there a lot.

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Speaker 1: We talk about movies, TV, games, sports, It's.

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Speaker 3: Just generally great.

2552
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Speaker 1: So also, if you heard Asked the Master today and

2553
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Speaker 1: you were like, wow, I have a question that you

2554
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Speaker 1: need Jason to answer, which honestly is me every time

2555
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Speaker 1: when I watch Out of the Dragon, you can send

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Speaker 1: an email to ask the Master at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: And remember, we love five star reviews. Five star reviews

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Speaker 3: are the best. Five star reviews are wonderful. Five star

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Speaker 3: reviews make it easier for other people to find us.

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Speaker 3: And if you write a five star.

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Speaker 1: Review that we really love, then we might read it

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Speaker 1: out on the air like this absolutely delightful review.

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Speaker 3: That mc work left. I love this show.

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Speaker 1: Xtra Vision is effervescent, encyclopedic, informed, and compassionate. Rosie Knight

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Speaker 1: and Jason Concepcion are unabashed in sharing their absolute joy

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Speaker 1: for comics, fantasy, and science fiction and pop culture as

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Speaker 1: both fans and creatives. The added bonus is that they

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Speaker 1: are able to extend the conversation into the real life

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Speaker 1: realms of business and politics that drive the creation, distribution,

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Speaker 1: and consumption of it all. My only gripe is the

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Speaker 1: seeming preference of Star Wars over Star Trek, but.

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Speaker 3: That's a me problem. Look, we thank you. First of all,

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Speaker 3: this is the best review. I love to hear this review.

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Speaker 1: This is exactly the kind of thing that we love

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Speaker 1: and that we try and do every day. All of

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Speaker 1: us are amazing team Chris soul delon Bacilli's this is

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Speaker 1: like what we're always trying to do. Jason, of course,

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Speaker 1: but also we know that the Star Trek is missing.

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Speaker 3: People have said it.

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Speaker 1: We have Star Trek experts in our field. You may

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Speaker 1: hear about a Star Trek sooner rather than they are

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Speaker 1: also Star Trek's pool.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, sorry about that, Emma, but thank you for

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Speaker 3: the good review.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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Speaker 2: is produced by Chris Lord and Sol rube In. The

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Speaker 2: show is executive produced by myself and Sandy Road are

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Speaker 2: editing in sound design, ins by Vascillis Fotopoulos, Dylon Villanueva

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Speaker 2: and Matt Group provide video production support Alex Rella for

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Speaker 2: handle social media.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Brian Vespers for the music.

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Speaker 3: See you next time.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Mike,