1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: I get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. The Doctor, Doctor, Gimme the News, 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: Zagata bad case of Loving You. Addition, as we take 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: an in depth look at an NFL draft prospect that 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: many Bengals fans have already fallen in love with, even 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: if they've never seen him play, Oregon offensive lineman Pinay Sewell. 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: And when I say in depth, look, we're talking microscopic surgery. 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: You'll hear from Pinay, his high school coach, the voice 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: of the Oregon Ducks, an NFL draft expert, and we'll 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: find out what the data says about Pinay from one 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: of our pals at Pro Football Focus. In short, you're 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: about to know everything there is to know about the 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: twenty year old native of American Samoa, a chain of 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: islands in the South Pacific. The Bengals Booth Podcast is 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: presented by bud Light Seltz or Refresh the game, and 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: here's a quick reminder that you can have the latest 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitch, your Google Play, Spotify, 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since the OrCam 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: my me. Do you have trouble remembering names and faces? Shoot? 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: We all do right. 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They're 29 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: still kind of pricey, but it seems like it's only 30 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: a matter of time before am in technology allows us 31 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: to never have to say hey you or how's it 32 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: going guy? Ever again, Now, let's get to a guy 33 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: who is very easy to identify, six foot six, three 34 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pound Pinay Sewell. On this podcast, you're 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: going to hear from several people talking about the highly 36 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: touted offensive line prospect, but I thought we should start 37 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: by hearing from Sewell himself. About a month after Joe 38 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: Burrow delivered his emotional Heisman Trophy speech that helped raise 39 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight hunger. Pinay Sewell, 40 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: who was only nineteen years old at the time, also 41 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: made an emotional speech in accepting the Outland Trophy, expressing 42 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: his thanks to Oregon head coach Mario Cristobal, offensive line 43 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: coach Alex Mirraball, and most of all his family. To 44 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: this day, it's still surreal to me that I'm sending you, 45 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: Funny you as a Outland Trophy winner and it's a 46 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: dream come true. Thank you all for making this happen. 47 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: And I'm forever grateful for those who believed in me 48 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: from day one. I didn't really know much about the 49 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: award until I attended the University of Warrior. I didn't 50 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: know much about it, just knew that it went to 51 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: the best linemen in the country and Coach Christian Ball 52 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: and I have been having conversations about winning it and 53 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: trying to bring win the Oregon and I will never 54 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: forget it was right before the right after fall camp, 55 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: before the season started, he looked me in the eyes 56 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: and said, don't wait, go get it this year. Well, coach, 57 00:03:48,760 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: I'm here. I went and got it. The trust you 58 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: having me and the confidence you gave him gave it 59 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: to me. It's the reason why I'm standing here, and 60 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: uh I'm forever grateful for you, forever thankful for the 61 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: way you treated me and my family. You're a man 62 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: of your word. And thank you culture Mary ball Man, 63 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: thank you for all that film, all that film sessions, 64 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: all the old line meetings. Everything you say stick because 65 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: everything you say you repeat, So it's hard, it's harder, 66 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: it's harder forget. But I thank you for that because 67 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: it makes me a better man and I pay attention 68 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 1: to details more to all my teammates back in Eugene, Man, 69 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: thank you for pushing me to be a better man 70 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: both on and off the field. Create that relationships with 71 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: y'all just and having that friendships with each and every 72 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: one of you just makes me want to go harder. 73 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: And I don't want to let anyone down on that 74 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: team because that hurts. That truly hurts. Uh Ma, Dad, 75 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: If you told me when we were in that in 76 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: American sophomore in our house that we would be here today, 77 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe you. I wouldn't. You guys made steps 78 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: and had choices. I made sacrifices for us, for each 79 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: and everyone of us, Me Noah, five, James, and our 80 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: sister Ella. I thank you guys for making the trip 81 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: here because I remember when I didn't want to come 82 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: to the States. All all I knew and all I 83 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: wanted was in America. Shah more. But I thank you guys. Mam. 84 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: Your smile makes me go every day, makes me go harder. 85 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: And I do this all for you, all for you. 86 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: The sacrifice and you just mean the backbone of our 87 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: family makes me want to hopefully and if it's possible, 88 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: find a woman just like her. Bad all this, I 89 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: know you gave up for us. You had a dream 90 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: of your own, you gave it up for me. Noah, 91 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: he fight, gag, and all I want to do is 92 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: just give it back. I want you to experience everything 93 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: that we have and everything that we're gonna go through, 94 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: because you should have been through it all the same 95 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: way I am going I'm going through it. I want 96 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: you both to know I love you guys for the 97 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: bottom of my heart, and I was still and I'm 98 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: still going to work until you guys will never have 99 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: to worry about a thing no more. I'll promise you that. 100 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: And to the Outline Committee, thank you, thank you for 101 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: making my dream possible, and thank you for having me 102 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: and my family here today and in such a great event, 103 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: and to be awarded to one of the most prestigious 104 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: awards knowing the mankind. And I'd like to say thank 105 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: you all for coming, thank you all for the love 106 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: and support y'all giving my family an ee and go Ducks. 107 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: Piney was in elementary school when he his parents, his 108 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: three brothers, and his sister moved to Saint George, Utah. 109 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: It's in the southwest tip of the state, not far 110 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: from the Arizona and Nevada borders, less than a two 111 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: hour drive from Las Vegas. Sewell attended Desert Hills High School, 112 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: where he helped the thunder win a state championship while 113 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: becoming one of the top recruits in the country. I 114 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: spoke to his high school coach, Carl Frankie. Carol described 115 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: what it was like to coach Pinay Sewell at the 116 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: high school level. Well, Ferny coach that has a player 117 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: the caliber of Pinay Suel. It's an absolute dream. You 118 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: have a kid that is the first to come in 119 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: first the league or last the league. He works his 120 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: tail off in the classroom, on the football field, in 121 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: the weight room, does all the little things right, and 122 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: then to have the ability that he has as a 123 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: football player, the mind of you know, almost like a 124 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: coach out there. It was it was an absolute dream 125 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: scenario for me to have somebody like Pina sul Uh 126 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: to coach for sure. How old was he when you 127 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: met him? And do you remember your early impressions? Um, 128 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: let's see, he was probably, if I had to guess, 129 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: probably twelve, maybe eleven or twelve years old the first 130 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: time I met him, and he was just a goofy kid, 131 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, big kid for his age, obviously bigger than 132 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: his other brothers at that age, and just fun loving, goofy. 133 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: M pretty quiet though, uh you know it's it's funny. 134 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: In the Polynesian culture, they have like a pecking order, 135 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: you know, with the brothers and with the parents and 136 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: everything else, and so uh kind of knew where he 137 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: stood in line there, and uh took some beatings, I guess, 138 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: but it was it was all funny games and you know, 139 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: just just a really good, good kid. But like I said, 140 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: fun loving kind of like how he is now. You know, 141 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: he's just a fun loving enjoys as a passion for 142 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: life and enjoys people, and um, that's that's kind of 143 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: what I can remember. From the beginning. We're talking to 144 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: Carl Frankie pine Swell's high school coach. Safe to assume 145 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: you don't see many kids with that size and athletic 146 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: ability in Saint George, Utah. No, not in Saint George, Utah. Um, 147 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: we're a little less than probably ninety thousand people there 148 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: in southwest Utah. And uh, you know, the only other 149 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: person besides maybe Piney is his brother Noah with the 150 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: size and speed and athleticism. Uh with um with why 151 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: he had what you know, Noah played a quarterback for 152 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: me as a sophomore, and that's how athletic he was. 153 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: And so, um, yeah, you don't. You don't find kids 154 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: the like that too often where we're from, that's for sure, Carl. 155 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: I am picturing the movie The blind Side where Michael 156 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: or at the high school level, completely blocks some undersized 157 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: kid right off the field. Were there amusing moments like 158 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: that with Piney? Yes, and no I think, And that 159 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: was to credit Pinat and his play. He never played 160 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: down to his opponents, so he would always just play 161 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: at a high level at all times. And that was 162 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: something we kind of preached to him as well, because 163 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: as a kid, you can kind of get complacent because 164 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: it gets sort of easy for you with the level 165 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: of opponents that you may come across at the defensive 166 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: end position or linebacker position that you may face weekend 167 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: and week out, and so continuing to push Pinay and 168 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: challenge him weekend and week out as a big thing. 169 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, there was times where you kind of felt 170 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: sorry for the kid across the way. But at the 171 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: same time, I think he knew what he was getting into, 172 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: and I think the coaches knew what the their players 173 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: are going to get into weekend and week out, And 174 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't always easy. Sometimes there was a 175 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: few challenges along the way. I mean, he played his 176 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: whole senior year with a torn laboram so he really 177 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: only played with one arm. So that gave the other 178 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: kid and at least an advantage there. But you know, 179 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: there were times where, you know, I think the biggest 180 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: knot on Pinney from some coaches or from other people 181 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: is always doesn't play anybody and this and that and so, 182 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: which isn't true. We do play some pretty good talent, 183 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: and we'd always try to schedule larger classifications when I 184 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: was a head coach there and so try to at 185 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: least get kids the exposure playing up levels and even 186 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: outside of the state of Utah, who playing in California 187 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: and Nevada and things like that. So always trying to 188 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: push the kids to get better, get them the exposure 189 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: they needed. But you know, Piney did a pretty good 190 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: job of always at that elite level as much as 191 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: possible and really working at his craft. Was he technically 192 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: sound at that age or did he just physically overwhelm kids? 193 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: I think early on it was more of a physical 194 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: thing until he kind of found out that, you know, 195 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: as he as he gets um in the higher levels 196 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: of football that you know, just being big and powerful, 197 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't just gonna you know, take care of itself. 198 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: That you had to actually have technique and your hand 199 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: placement and your footwork and the mindset, just your your 200 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: posture and um how he you know, basically setting yourself 201 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: up for being successful on the field. And I think 202 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: our offensive line coach did a really good job at that, 203 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: just keeping him, uh, you know, working on things. And 204 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: like I said, Pinney was always the you know, the 205 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: first ones through the drill and always helping out his 206 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: teammates with the Drill. The thing that always impressed me 207 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: about Piney was he was always looking to get better, 208 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: just like a sponge, just soaking it up, watching watching 209 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: game film and watching things online and going to camps 210 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: and meeting people that played that position and just trying 211 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: to just own that craft. And so he's always been 212 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: just fully involved and just delve right into it and 213 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: really took to it like a duck takes the water. 214 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: And so I was always impressed with that about tone. 215 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, he worked out it. I mean it didn't 216 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: come easy at first. When you're a big kid like 217 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: that and you're six five, three hundred and fifty pounds 218 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: in high school, you know, your wink can almost become 219 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: a disadvantage of time. So he really worked at his 220 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: footwork and his ability to with his athleticism even lateral movement. 221 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, if I could have put an 222 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: eighty number on him, he could have started a tight 223 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: end for us. That's how letick he was his junior 224 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: and senior year in high school. We're talking to Carl Frankie, 225 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: who was Pills High school of coach. What was recruiting like, 226 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: Oh craziness, you know, um, he had gotten offers when 227 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: he was a ninth grader. It was it was crazy 228 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: to see once the first offer came across, they started 229 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: all the dominoes started to fall. But I think it 230 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: wasn't until he entered into a couple of big, big 231 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: man camps in California and basically you know, too took 232 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: over the camp that it started to like really take 233 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: from a lot of the bigger Division one Power five 234 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: conferences in the schools and that. So um, but it 235 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: was you know, it was fun, but it was also 236 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: one of those things as a coach and as a 237 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, as his his parents trying to keep him 238 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: level headed, which I think we all did a pretty 239 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: good job, you know, having Nick Saban on campus and 240 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: Mario Crys the ball and people of that caliber on 241 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: campus that just doesn't happen every day, and so being 242 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: able to navigate through all that the landscape of just 243 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: all the recruiting is you know, at that point for 244 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: me even it was new to me because we had 245 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: never had a player of that caliber come through, and 246 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: so a lot of it was you know, it's funny 247 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: because his father gave and I talk about things now 248 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: were like man, we wouldn't ever, we would never even 249 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: discuss these things. Think about the conversations we're having nowadays, 250 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: we weren't having, you know, five six years ago, and 251 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: we just kind of laugh about it. But it was, 252 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, fun but also challenging, but also keeping him. 253 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: You know, Peney was easy. He just wanted to play football. 254 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: A lot of kids get caught up the limelight, and 255 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: they get caught up with all the you know, the 256 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: the Twitter stuff and to put how many offers they got. 257 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: Pinney wasn't all about that. Piney was about just going 258 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: out and doing his job as a teammate and continuing 259 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: to do what was asked of him at home and 260 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: also for me as a coach and of his teachers 261 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: at school. So I think he did a fantastic job 262 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: doing that. He has three brothers who also played or 263 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: are playing Division one college football. Were they raised to 264 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: be football players? Um, I don't know if you actually 265 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: raise a kid to be a football player. I think 266 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: what dad and mom did was they took a chance. 267 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: They left the island of Samoa, American Samoa, and they said, 268 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: you know what we got. We want to give our 269 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: kids the best opportunities to get an education, and we're 270 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to do that from this location. 271 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: And you know, they took a big leap of faith. 272 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: And I think what they did was they just opened 273 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: doors for their kids where they wouldn't otherwise be open 274 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: in order to have their kids choose what they wanted 275 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: to do. I don't think they were ever forced to 276 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: just do football, you know. I think that's like I said, 277 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: I think that's just came naturally to them and they 278 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: really just took to it and they were really good 279 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: at it. But it wasn't forced upon or it wasn't like, hey, 280 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna be raised to be a football player. It was, hey, 281 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna open these doors for you that we can't 282 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: do here in American Samoa, and we're gonna we're gonna 283 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: come to the mainland and we're gonna give you opportunities, 284 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: and you better take advantage of these opportunities because these 285 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: are great sacrifices we're making. And I think that's what 286 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: the kids kind of hung their hat on, because even 287 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 1: if you listen to what they posed, or when they 288 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: talked to mom or dad or they went an award, 289 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: they always talked to their about their parents first and 290 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: so you kind of know where it comes from it 291 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 1: is and then and then the beliefs you know, in um, 292 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: their religious beliefs and so on. So they had such 293 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: a really good foundation. And that's the one thing I 294 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: try to tell people I was so impressed with and 295 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm really close with the family as well. UM that 296 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: gave and arline both the Pina's parents did such a 297 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: good job of keeping the kids grounded but also allowing 298 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: them to have opportunities. But a lot of sacrifices had 299 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: to happen in order for those things to happen. And 300 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: I think the kids are um, you know, they they 301 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: know that, and so they really feel like they have 302 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: to hold up there into the bargain. So, UM, I 303 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: think they've done that. You know, we're chatting with Carl Frankie, 304 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: who coached pinat Sewell in high school. What do you 305 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: think Pina's biggest challenge will be in making the jump 306 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: to the NFL. UM, I think it's any challenge when 307 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: you move up levels in football, right, the size, the strength, 308 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: the speed, I think the speed of the game, you know, obviously, 309 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: I think um, just knowing Pinney, I think he just 310 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: he loves that part of it. You know, he loves 311 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: the challenge and he picks things up super quick. So 312 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: I don't think like scheme and things like that are 313 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: going to be an issue for him. I just think 314 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: the first, you know, first couple of games, that's gonna 315 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: be his adrenaline's gonna be pumped in and um and 316 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: then and then also the city he goes to. You know, 317 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: if he goes to a big city like New York, 318 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: if the Jets you know, take him at number two, 319 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: say they don't go quarterback the big city of you know, 320 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: of New York, that's gonna be completely a different culture 321 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: shock to him because I know Piney like small small 322 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: town cities and stuff like that. So um, you know 323 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati is kind of more that speed. If if 324 00:20:54,359 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: the if the Bengals end up getting Piney Soul, I 325 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: think he'll fit right into that city because it's not 326 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: a huge city. But he's like kind of a blue 327 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: collar guy because he just likes to work and he's 328 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: not into the nightlife. He's not in all that stuff. 329 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: He just like I said, he just wants to play 330 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: football and he wants to be a great teammate and 331 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: he wants to be a leader in a community, and 332 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: I think I think he'll navigate greatly through that. He's 333 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: got a lot of people on his side, a lot 334 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: of other from Polynesian ancestry on his side that have 335 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: been to the show, that have done it, and I think, 336 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: you know, he'll be able to lean on those people 337 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: to kind of get through at least the first couple 338 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: of years of being in the league. He would definitely 339 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: fit in and Cincinnati if it works out that way. 340 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: Here's my final question for Carl Frankie. Did you feel 341 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: like you were coaching a future Anthony Muno's or or 342 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: Tony Basselli when you coached him at the high school level. 343 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: I knew I was coached someone who was special. Now, 344 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: I hate comparing people. I think Pna Seul is going 345 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: to be in his own lane. The Anthony Munios's of 346 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: the world and those of the Hall of Fame caliber everyone, 347 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: they all have their own little uniqueness to them, and 348 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: I think Denay soul is going to be that unique 349 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: type of player. I think he's gonna basically blaze his 350 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: own path. He's kind of done that, as you know, 351 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: with his family, blazing a new trail, new path, and 352 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: I think he's going to continue to do that in 353 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: the NFL, and you know I can. When I was 354 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: coaching him, all I knew was that I was coaching 355 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: someone special. But I've coached a lot of special players 356 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: and some pan out and some don't. And I just, 357 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: for for some reason, he just felt like to me 358 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: that he was going to be the one that kind 359 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: of sets the tone for that family and is able 360 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: to do something great, and you know, God forbid anything 361 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: happens from you know, down the road in his career. 362 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: I think if he stays healthy, I think he could 363 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: play for twenty plus years and he could be yelling 364 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: at wearing a yellow jack jacket at the end of 365 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: the whole thing. So I think he is that special. 366 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: And you know, again, as a coach, you're just trying 367 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: to help him and facilitate him and get him to 368 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: a position where it just he's successful. And I think 369 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: as a player they have to take those opportunities like 370 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: Pinnay did with his parents moving into the States. Just 371 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: take those opportunities and making the best of those opportunities 372 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: and don't letting them slide by to And I'm telling 373 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: you what the Bengals are, They're at five and pay 374 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: is if Panay is there at five and the Bengals 375 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: have that pick. If they go other than Pinay's school, 376 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna miss out on a high caliber 377 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: a player and a high caliber person. And that's that's 378 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: what you get with Pinay Souls, not only the player 379 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: but the person. And I think Cincinnati be blessed to 380 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: have them if they can get them. Carl, this has 381 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: been fantastic. I really appreciate your time. Thanks for joining 382 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: us on the podcast. I appreciate thank you so much 383 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: for having me on. After playing for coach Frankie at 384 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: Desert Hills, Pinay was considered one of the top offensive 385 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: line recruits in the country. When it came time to 386 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 1: make his college decision, a standing room only crowd gathered 387 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: at his high school, and sewell stood behind a table 388 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: with four hats on it from left to right, Utah, Oregon, Alabama, 389 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: and usc Pinnay then unzipped his jacket to reveal an 390 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: Oregon shirt before grabbing the matching hat and flashing an 391 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: Oregon OH. As a true freshman, he started the season 392 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: opener a month before his eighteen birthday and eventually earned 393 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: all conference honors. As a sophomore, Pinay was a unanimous 394 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: first team All American, won the Outland Trophy, and helped 395 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: the Ducks go twelve and two and win the Rose Bowl. 396 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: That year, he earned the highest grade for an offensive 397 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: lineman in Pro Football Focus history, as Pinay did not 398 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: surrender a sack in four hundred ninety one pass blocking 399 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: snaps and allowed just five hurries and two hits on 400 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback. This past season, with the Pac twelve waiting 401 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: until November before starting play, Sewell opted out and began 402 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: training for his NFL future. Jerry Allen has been the 403 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: radio voice of the Ducks for more than thirty years, 404 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: meaning he saw nearly every college snap taken by the 405 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: likes of Marcus Mariota, Helodi Nada, Justin Herbert, and yes, 406 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: Achille Smith. Don't hold that one against him. I reached 407 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: out to the two seventeen sportscaster of the Year in 408 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: the state of Oregon. Jerry, you called his games for 409 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: a couple of years. What stood out to you about 410 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: Penasul's play at Oregon? Well, I think from the get go, Dan, 411 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: he was so mature and beyond the college athlete when 412 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: he came in as a freshman. He looked like he 413 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: was going to the NFL at first year. His body, 414 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: his attitude, his personality, his intelligence on the field, he 415 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: just he looked out of place. He looked like a 416 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: man among boys. I think that's the thing that first 417 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: struck us, and we saw that that first year. I'm 418 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: glad you mentioned his physique because I was reading a 419 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: story about him and somebody described it as he's six six, 420 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: three thirty but felt is that a good description. You know, 421 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: he came in at three fifty three fifty five out 422 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: of high school, so they did trim him down. Aaron 423 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: Felt his Oregon strength and conditioning guru, and he really 424 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: put together program that allowed him to maximize his body 425 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: and tune it. So you know, when you watch him, 426 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: you know he doesn't look like a big old what 427 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: we call, I don't want to say fat offensive lineman. 428 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: Let's just say he doesn't fit that profile. He's very strong. 429 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: We're talking to Jerry Allen, the voice of the Oregon Ducks. 430 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: This might be hard for an offensive lineman. But were 431 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: there any games or any plays that stood out in 432 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: particular with Piney? You know, he was so steady at 433 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: what he did. I think if I was going to 434 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: think about something he accomplished, it wouldn't be a play 435 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: or a game, but maybe a season. He would nine 436 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty nine snaps as a left tackle and 437 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: never allowed a sack. I think he had one penalty 438 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: in a season and a half as an offensive lineman. 439 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: How do you not get caught holding? So I think 440 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: his intelligence on the field, knowing the game so well, 441 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: along with that physique embody that he has is Yeah, 442 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: he can't pick out one play understandable for an offensive lineman, certainly, Jerry, 443 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: did you have much interaction with him and did you 444 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: get much of a sense of his personality. He is 445 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to say a typical Polynesian, but sort 446 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: of that because they are so friendly, they are so family, 447 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: and they make you feel that way. The last guy 448 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: that I remember that was his size and just scared 449 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: you to look up at him, but was a teddy 450 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: bear was Helodi Nada. Yeah, he was out of the 451 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: same mold and they both came from Utah, the state 452 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: of Utah. But he's just he's a gentleman. He I 453 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: don't remember ever seeing him celebrate on the field after 454 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: a pancake block. Or after something he did. He was 455 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: very workman like, and uh, you know, I don't want 456 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: to say it's almost too good of a story because 457 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: maybe you want a little flamboyant meanness in there, but 458 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: he didn't seem to have that. Like a lot of 459 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: teams at the college level, Oregon throws a lot of 460 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: quick passes, a lot of screens. Are certainly nothing on 461 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: you ual about that, But is it fair to wonder 462 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: how Pinney will translate to having to handle pass protection 463 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: on longer developing NFL plays. You know, that's something to 464 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: be seen. We think he can. When I talk to 465 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: Alex Mirabald, his offensive line coach, and Mario Crystaball, they 466 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: think he translates extremely well to the NFL. He has 467 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: really great feet, great hands. I think that's why he 468 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: was able to protect so well and not get penalties. 469 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: He stays where he needs to be, he understands. I 470 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: did notice one thing about him. He's able to get 471 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: off blocks and get downfield and maybe make another block. 472 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: He moves pretty well for a big guy, and I 473 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: think that's why some people might say he seems kind 474 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: of spelled, because he does move pretty well for an 475 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Jerry, You've been doing the Oregon Games for 476 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: more than thirty years. You've seen some tremendous players, including 477 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: a Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota. Is Pinney Sewell up 478 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: there among the very best you ever saw. I think 479 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: he is certainly the best offensive lineman or and his 480 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: head in my tenure. Gary Zimmerman was there back years ago. 481 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: I used to watch Gary play as a fan and 482 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: he was a tremendous, tremendous lineman. But yeah, he's up there. 483 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: I think it was interesting before the season started, there 484 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: were many of us on the West coast, maybe a 485 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: few on the East coast that we're saying, could he 486 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: be the first offensive lineman to be invited to New 487 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: York with Heisman? That's what people were thinking to him. 488 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: Before we continue with our in depth look at Panais Sewell, 489 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: we remind you that the Bengals Booth podcast is presented 490 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing with a 491 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: hint of fruit flavor. Admittedly, Panay's high school coach and 492 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: the Oregon Radio Voice weren't likely to say negative things 493 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: about him. In the final two interviews on this podcast, 494 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: we get a couple of unbiased opinions up. First, NFL 495 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: Network draft expert Daniel Jeremiah in his latest mock draft, 496 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: Daniel has the Bengal selecting Sewel with a overall pick, 497 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: but on his list of the top fifty prospects, he 498 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: has NORTHWESTERNS Rashaan Slater ranked as his top offensive lineman 499 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: and the number seven prospect overall, while he ranked Sewell 500 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: as the second best O lineman and the number nine 501 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: prospect overall. I recently took part in a zoom call 502 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: with Jeremiah where he discussed this year's draft with reporters 503 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: from around the country. HEDJ last year, there are a 504 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: lot of left tackles that were kind of plug and 505 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: play guys who played at a very high level. Compared 506 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: to this year's class, where are they and who's the 507 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: top guy? Yeah, that's a great question to me. When 508 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: I look at last year's group, I think it's it's 509 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: better than this year's group. There might be some difference 510 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: of opinion there, but you know, I had McKay Beckton 511 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: last year. I had a huge grade on him. You 512 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: look at Jedrick Wills, and then you look at Worf's 513 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: and then I had Georgia Kidd was my fourth one, 514 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: but who went to the Giants. So to me, when 515 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: I stack up this class, I actually have Rashawn Slater 516 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: as the top tackle in the draft. And he, now 517 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: I just mentioned a little bit earlier, his arms came 518 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: in at thirty three inches today, which is it's not great, 519 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: but it's to me, it's good enough that he can 520 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: hold up at tackle. And he's just such a clean, 521 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: clean player on tape. You know, you go back and 522 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: watch him at Northwestern against Chase Young in twenty nineteen 523 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: and he more than held his own. His ability to 524 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: recover and rework his hands in that game was really good. 525 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: He can bend, he's he's one of the better guys. 526 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: And even comparing him to the group last year, if 527 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: you look at just the ability to climb up to 528 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: the second level in the run game and what he 529 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: can do with his athleticism, I'd say he does that 530 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: better than even the tackles in last year's draft. But 531 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: he would be my top one this year. Pine Sewel 532 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: is right there behind him. They're very close, you know. 533 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: Sewel is just he's a massive dude who's really It's 534 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: interesting because he's very explosive. When you watch him in 535 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: Oregon in twenty nineteen, he's explosive, but he still needs 536 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: to add some strength. So in other words, you see 537 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: him just just drive off the ball, you'll see man, 538 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: he's quick, He's dynamic with how quick he can get 539 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: out of his stance. He covers up speed rushers no problem. 540 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: But in past protection sometimes you'll see guys kind of 541 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: tug and pull him and move him around a little bit, 542 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: which just needs to get a little bit stronger. But 543 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he was playing as you know, he's a 544 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: young kid at that point in time, so he's got 545 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: a lot of upside. But if I was going to 546 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,719 Speaker 1: look at it from last year, I would take Beckton, 547 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: Wills and Worf's over you know, the top two guys 548 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: in this year's draft class. But I think all five 549 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: of those guys are are really good players. And last 550 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: year I had Worf's as the number three guy. He 551 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: ended up playing better than everybody else, So that speaks 552 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: to just how good that group was last year. Hey, 553 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: DJ Dan Horden, Cincinnati, you are a bit of an 554 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: outlier in ranking Slater over Sewell, but you do say 555 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: that Sewell has the most upside of those guys. What 556 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: is his ceiling and what is he his floor? And 557 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: if either of those guys is available at number five, 558 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 1: should Cincinnati pounce? Yeah, I think either one of them 559 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: would be great. Uh would fit really well in there. 560 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: And look, I have Slater over Seel. I think he's 561 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: more consistent. I think I know exactly where he is. 562 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: But you mentioned that Sewel's got more upside. He's just bigger. Um, 563 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: he's a more powerful guy. And when you look at 564 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: kind of the makeup of the offensive line there in Cincinnati, 565 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: I think you can make an argument for Sewel ahead 566 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: of Slater just just because of that. Um. In terms 567 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: of his upside, I think he's got a chance to 568 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: be a really really good player. I've been around you know, 569 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: I've been spoiled. I've been around Jonathan Ogden, I've been 570 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: around Joe Thomas, I've been around Jason Peters. I don't 571 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: I don't put him in that group. I don't think 572 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: he's you know, has a chance to get to that level, 573 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: even though he's a really young kid. But I think 574 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: he's got a chance to to grow into be in 575 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: a Both these guys I think got a chance to be, 576 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, perennial Pro Bowl players, and Slater might end 577 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: up having to kick inside. So that's a great debate 578 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: to have inside the building. I just know, when I 579 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: put my list together and you kind of put the 580 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: positives in the negatives down with Slater, I just don't 581 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: It's not much negative to put down on the paper. 582 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: I just don't see anything that really concerns me. I 583 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: think he's just going to be a really, really good player, 584 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, even though he personally ranks Slater 585 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: over Sewell. In his latest mock draft, Daniel Jeremiah has 586 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: the Bengal selecting Pinay with the fifth overall pick and 587 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: has Slater going to the forty nine ers at number twelve. 588 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: At Pro Football Focus, seven different analysts or in one case, 589 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: a pair of analysts are coming out with mock drafts. 590 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: A new one drops every week right now. Three of 591 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: the mocks have the Bengal selecting Pinay Sewell. The other 592 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: four have Cincinnati picking LSU wide receiver jamar Chase. Austin 593 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: Gale is among the p F analysts who has Sewell 594 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: coming to Cincinnati been based on the PF data, how 595 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: good was Pinay Sewell in his two years at Oregon. 596 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I would argue that Piney Sewell, what he 597 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: did eighteen nineteen years old at the University of Oregon 598 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,919 Speaker 1: is honestly the best performance from an office tackle we've 599 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: ever seen. When you factor in age, he isn't the 600 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: best or highest graded offensive tackle we've ever seen, but 601 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: you age matters, and it's not so much that you're 602 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: drafting a young player and he has more years in 603 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: the NFL. It's because it is very difficult at the 604 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: collegiate level to be very good at eighteen nineteen years old, 605 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: because a lot of these other guys had that natural 606 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: maturation about the way if you're twenty three, twenty four 607 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: years old, you're more developed than these kids coming out 608 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: of high school. And to see what he did at 609 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen years old at Oregon highest percentage of positively 610 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: graded box we've ever seen in a single season from 611 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: any offensive tackle since twenty fourteen. In twenty nineteen before 612 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: he opted out. He's also excellent in pass protection and still, 613 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: in my opinion, this doesn't get brought up enough, still 614 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: very raw. His technique can improve, his hand placement, can 615 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: improve his footwork, can improve, And that's scary. That is 616 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: scary how much it can improve. I was talking to 617 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks of NFL Media recently. He talked a lot 618 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: about all the scouts in the NFL or a lot 619 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: of scouts talk about a phrase. You grade the flashes, 620 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: you grade the high end the low end in his game. 621 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: You have to get that out of his game. But 622 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: you need to see the high end. And there isn't 623 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle in this class. There is an offensive 624 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: tackle we've seen the last five years where there's better 625 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: high end on there that tape than Piney Soul. Can 626 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: he get better? Absolutely? Is he perfect right now? Not 627 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: a chance. But you're drafting him for what you saw 628 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: in the high end. You're drafting him because you know 629 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: you can mold this guy into a ten fifteen year 630 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,959 Speaker 1: stalwart piece of your team. We're talking to Austin Gale 631 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: from Pro Football Focus. According to PFF, he didn't give 632 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: up a sack in four hundred ninety one pass blocking 633 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: opportunities a sophomore one sack and two hundred and fifteen 634 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: pass blocking opportunities as a freshman. I want to draft 635 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: the guy that had the sack, whoever that was But 636 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: here's something else that caught my eye. Quote he led 637 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: the nation in big time blocks with thirteen. What is 638 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: a big time block according to PFF, Yeah, big time 639 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: You know that like kind of modifiers use a lot 640 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: at PF. And that's anytime you see like big time 641 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: throws big time blocks, that's when because PF grades every 642 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: single player on every single play from negative two to 643 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: positive two at point five increments, you have plays where 644 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: a player will get a one point zero grade, a 645 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: one point five and a two point oh. You obviously 646 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: have like the majority positives are point fives. But when 647 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: you get to a one point zero, one point five, 648 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: two point zero, those are extraordinary plays. Those are above 649 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 1: way above average plays. So those thirteen blocks, those are 650 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: big time blocks. When you have a you have a 651 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: grade of a one, one point five, two point oh, 652 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: that's when you're pancaking a guy. That's when you're driving 653 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 1: them into the dirt. That's when you're picking up two blocks. 654 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: When your responsibility is one, you get point fives. When 655 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: you do your assignment, well, you get one point zeros, 656 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 1: one point five, two point os. When you go above 657 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: and beyond expectations, significantly above expectations, There's another stat we 658 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: have is big time throws. You know right now, if 659 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: you hit a five yard slant, oftentimes it's a point 660 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: five or something. It's depending on how far the throw is, 661 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: is it beyond the sticks. But if you hit a 662 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,439 Speaker 1: guy in stride deep down the field twenty three yards 663 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: down field, or hit a guy in tight windows and 664 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: those types of things, that's when you get to these 665 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: big time throws down the football field that leads to 666 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: bigger plays. It really speaks to again the flashes the 667 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: high end in Pinnas tools game. This is a guy 668 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: that has all the high end in the world as 669 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: a screen blocker, rum blocker, and in past protection he's 670 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: kept a clean sheet. Like you said, in past protection 671 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: only one sack allowed in two years. I mean, and 672 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: I think the biggest knock on Pinay Soul, and we'll 673 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: probably get into this as well, is that you don't 674 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,760 Speaker 1: face a lot of top tier talent in the PAC twelve, 675 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: specifically at edge defender. There's some Bradley and I Joe 676 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: try on some guys there in the PAC twelve that 677 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: did give him some trouble, But you don't see a 678 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: lot of top competition. But you can only play the 679 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: cards you're delt. You can only block the guys on 680 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: your schedule. You can't discredit him too much for that. 681 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: I do think he has all the tools, all the 682 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: traits to be really good against top tier competition in 683 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: the NFL. He opted out last year. He was hardly 684 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: the only guy to do that. But is that a knock. 685 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: The only reason it would be a knock, it's not 686 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: his decision. I think a lot of people bring up 687 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: the opt outs and think about, you know, he didn't 688 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: want to play football. All that stuff is garbage. If 689 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: you didn't want to play this cast year because you 690 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: didn't want to get literally a pandemic disease, that is 691 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: totally understandable. Especially I talk to you guys that have 692 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: opted out where their moms are nurses, They have siblings 693 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: that are you know, in ICEU for different terminal illnesses, 694 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: Like it makes sense, like, do not knock a kid 695 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 1: in this class that opted out due to personal reasons. 696 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: The only con is that you just haven't seen more 697 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 1: of them play, you know, Like I mean, when you're 698 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: evaluating talent, you know, especially for the draft, nine times 699 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 1: out of ten, the most important year is your last 700 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: one and we didn't. We didn't get to see Pinas 701 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: Touls last one. You know, Joe Burrows doesn't have his 702 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: last season. I don't know if he even gets drafted 703 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: inside the top fifty, top one hundred. Because it's your 704 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: last year, you're most matured, most developed, most experienced. This 705 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 1: is when you need to turn it on, and we 706 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: didn't get to really see that from an Pinas Toul. 707 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: Fortunately for him, he's an absolute freak of nature that 708 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: was an outstanding at nineteen years old. But you have 709 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: to think about some of the other guys that opted 710 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: out that maybe didn't have that type of season in 711 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. That's where you're going to start to see 712 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: concern you didn't know. A good example is the name 713 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: I mentioned, Joe Tryon of Washington wasn't spectacular along the 714 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: edge for Washington, has some freaky tools, has some really 715 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: good traits, but you never see him really do it 716 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: at a high level and then obviously opted out of 717 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season. Those are the prospects where I 718 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: think they got hurt more. But when you look at 719 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,280 Speaker 1: Pinas Tool, Micah Parsons, Jamar Chase, these guys that Rashaan 720 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,919 Speaker 1: Slater you knew these guys were good. They've already put 721 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: good tape on you know, you've already put some good 722 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: things on film. Pinas tools in that category more than 723 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: he is the other. We're talking to Austin Gale from 724 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. If you love the NFL, you should 725 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: be following him on Twitter at PFF underscore Austin Gayale 726 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: and the last name is spelled g A y l 727 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: E Austin. In recent years, we've all heard that college 728 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: spread offenses have made it hard to project offensive line 729 00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,040 Speaker 1: prospects to the NFL. How about PF data. Have the 730 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: guys that you have projected panned out based on their 731 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: college numbers? Yes, you know, in short, very much so. 732 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 1: At PFF, there's a lot of metrics that we track, 733 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: a lot of grades that we do, and not all 734 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: of them are super predictive going from college to the NFL. 735 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: But what we do have a lot of faith in 736 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: is our passing grades, especially from a clean pocket, our 737 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: actacy grade or actually charting that we do, and pass blocking, 738 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 1: run blocking, pass rushing grades, those in the trenches are 739 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: very very predictive you over year. Also, athleticism matters, you know, 740 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 1: traits matter all of those things. But if PF had 741 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,280 Speaker 1: one thing that really does translate from college the NFL, 742 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: it is the trench grades. Pass blocking, run blocking, pass rushing, 743 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: run defense. Those have predictive power, especially when you see 744 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 1: players going against top level competition and grading really well. 745 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: If you have a high pass blocking grade in the SEC, 746 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: in the Big ten or even the Pac twelve, it's 747 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: going to show up in the NFL. Where you start 748 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: to see some of those non predictive is when you're 749 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: playing cupcake competition in a group of five. You can 750 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: only play the layers. You're on your schedule, and you're 751 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: grading really well for it. But if you never see 752 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: any NFL competition, that's where we strongly encourage guys to 753 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: go to the Senior Bowl and try and get some 754 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: one on ones on tape against top tier competition. So 755 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: I do think that our pass blocking grades have a 756 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: lot of predictive power. It's not the end all be all. 757 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: If they were, I probably wouldn't be working at PFF, 758 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: probably in the NFL. But I do think that they 759 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: have a lot of predictive power, and we've seen guys 760 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: like Tristan Worse, Andrew Thomas, even Mackay Beckton. Guys that 761 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: have graded well at PF get drafted very, very highly 762 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: and have immediate success. I am not surprised at how 763 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: well Tristan Worse has done. He's the outlier. You rarely 764 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: see Tristan Worse or an offensive tackle as a rookie 765 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: do as well as he did. But I think that's 766 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: the type of impact Pinasia we can have. He is 767 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: that good, He is that freaky of an athlete and 768 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: that productive at the collegiate level. How much better is 769 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: pinas sewell than the rest of the pack at tackle 770 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: in this year's class, So some people see it closer 771 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 1: than I do. I think he's significantly better. I think 772 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: he's the only offensive tackle prospect worth that number five 773 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: overall pick. And I know some have had Northwest ters. 774 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: Rashaan Slater mocked the Cincinnati Bengals at five, and while 775 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: that is a moderate reach, I don't necessarily would rule 776 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: it as an out as an option. You know, player 777 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: evaluation for the draft is is a moving process. It's 778 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,919 Speaker 1: very difficult to like definitively say one player is better 779 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,800 Speaker 1: than the other. Depends on the scheme that you're running, 780 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: the development you're going to pay to this kid, what 781 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: he needs to improve, what coaching staff you have, and 782 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,840 Speaker 1: the skills that they have to improve. Players say you 783 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: have a coaching staff that can't improve Pina Soals technique 784 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have that skill set. Rashaan Slater is probably the 785 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: most technically sound offensive tackle in this class. He has 786 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,439 Speaker 1: an absolute technical marvel and you see that in his game. 787 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: Short arms, maybe better projects as a guard, really good 788 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: feet and still needs to build up from a playstrink perspective. 789 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: Can your guys coach that up? Maybe? If not panas 790 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: Soul a guy that you can coach up technique wise, 791 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,280 Speaker 1: maybe is your option. It's definitely. It's not so black 792 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: and white as sometimes like I think content and media 793 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 1: can make it where like this tackle is better than 794 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 1: this tackle, and you take this tackle every time. It's 795 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: kind of like your you know what flavor you're looking for, 796 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: especially at the receiver position. You know, there's so many 797 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: different types of receivers that you want. If you want 798 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: an absolute bully, you go Jamar Chase. If you want 799 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 1: a pure route runner, you go Davante Smith. If you 800 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: want speed, Jalen Waddle. It's so hard to say he's 801 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: better than him. He's been on him. It depends on 802 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 1: the system, It depends on usage, it depends on development, 803 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: all those things. I think there's a pretty big gap 804 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 1: between Pinas Soul and Reshaon Slater from a pure talent perspective, 805 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: But both guys could have a ton of success year one. 806 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: Reshaon Slater could grade better year one depending on the 807 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,839 Speaker 1: system he's putting it in those things. But I will 808 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: say right now, I think Pina Soil is the best, 809 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: then Reshaon Slater, and then after that, I do think 810 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,359 Speaker 1: it starts to get even a bigger tier drop off 811 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 1: to Darisau of Virginia Tech, Dylan Raidens of North Dakota State, 812 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: Alex Leatherwood Alabama, Jalen Mayfield Michigan. Like, there's a lot 813 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,359 Speaker 1: of good out of the tackle prospects there, but none 814 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,800 Speaker 1: are like Slater and Seul, and I think Barren tears 815 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 1: of themselves. All right, do you reference the wide receivers. 816 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: That's the perfect segue to my final question for Austin 817 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: Gale from Pro Football Focus. I've talked to your colleagues. 818 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 1: Anthony Trash was a guest on this podcast past a 819 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: few weeks ago, and he made the case that yes, 820 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 1: Pine Sewell is the best offensive lineman in the draft 821 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily be bad in his opinion, if the Bengals 822 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: drafted him number five overall. But he says, and others 823 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: of your colleagues have said that the value of a 824 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: number one wide receiver like a Jamar Chase or a 825 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: Davante Smith is greater than the value of a great tackle. 826 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 1: Where do you stand on that debate? So I definitely 827 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: agree with him from a value perspective. I think if 828 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: you can get a true number one wide receiver, it 829 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: can have more a bigger impact on your offense and 830 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 1: a bigger impact on your win probability than an offensive tackle. 831 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,399 Speaker 1: Because you know, Sam and Steve say this all the time. 832 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,919 Speaker 1: Sam Monson and Steve Palasolo who hosts the p NFL 833 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: podcast and a bit at PF. Since I was like 834 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: a kid, you know these guys say it all the time, 835 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: and that you don't need to be elite along the 836 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 1: offensive line. You just need to be good. You don't 837 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: have to have you know, Jonathan Ogden, Marshall Yonda and 838 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: his prime Nick Mangold like these elite offensive lineman to 839 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: be a good offensive raid offense. I mean the Kansas 840 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: City Chiefs went to the Super Bowl with backups at 841 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: tackle you know, lost and lost and one of the 842 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: more successful teams in the NFL this past year, and 843 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: don't have great offensive linement like Eric Fisher is average 844 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 1: to above average, Mitchell Schwartz is above average, one of 845 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 1: the better right tackles in the league. But along the 846 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 1: INTI your offensive line, you'd be hard pressed to know 847 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: all three of those guys like they don't have a 848 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: ton of offensive line talent. The reason for that is 849 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,919 Speaker 1: they have the best quarterback in the NFL. I'd argue 850 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 1: the best receiver in the NFL and Tyreek Hill, and 851 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 1: the best tight end in the NFL in Travis Kelce. 852 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: Getting elite at those positions is more important than getting 853 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 1: elite at offensive line. It's a big reason why and 854 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: elite offensive tackle verse an elite receiver. Maybe it makes 855 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: more sense to go receiver. But my counter argument is 856 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm more confident in Penais Seul being elite than I 857 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: am Jamar Chase, DeVante Smith, or jell and Waddle being 858 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: elite true number ones, I think they're all fantastic. I 859 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,720 Speaker 1: think Jamar Chase is one of the better receiver prospects 860 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: we've seen. But I am more confident in my projection 861 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: of Pinas Seul than I am confident in Jamar Chase. 862 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: Both are really good. Pinas Soul, I think, is the 863 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: number three, your number four player on pff' board. Jamar 864 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,880 Speaker 1: Chase is like six. You know, like both these players 865 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,760 Speaker 1: are really good. If you're splitting hairs at this point, 866 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: But I like Pinacial over any of the receivers in 867 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,399 Speaker 1: this class. If you're staying put at five and he's 868 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,359 Speaker 1: on the board, do you think you will be? I 869 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: ultimately think he does. I can't imagine the New York 870 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: Jets not going after a quarterback in this class, and 871 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: if they do trade down, I think they're more looking 872 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 1: at Kyle Pitts of Florida. That's from what I've heard. 873 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,759 Speaker 1: And as for the Miami Dolphins, they've invested a ton 874 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: of resource in the offensive line, Austin, Austin Jackson, you know, 875 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: Solomon Kinley, Robert Hunt. Like, they've already spent a good 876 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,439 Speaker 1: amount of draft capital on offensive line. While they still 877 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: need to get better there. I think they'll look at 878 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 1: it as revisionist history and say, we can't keep doing 879 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: offensive line, but we have to go somewhere else. I 880 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: also think they could trade out of that pick for 881 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: a team looking to come up for a quarterback like Carolina, 882 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: like Denver, like San Francisco. So ultimately, I think you 883 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: see three or four quarterbacks go in the top four picks, 884 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: and then Pinacial is on the board. I think it's 885 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,840 Speaker 1: going to be a decision between Pinacial, Jamar Chase for 886 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts for the Cincinnati Bengals of five. All Right, 887 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: Austin Gale has been our guest, Phil folks in on 888 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: some of the stuff you're working on and where they 889 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,920 Speaker 1: can see and hear your work. Yeah. Absolutely, go to 890 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: PFF dot com first and foremost. We're doing a ton 891 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: of good work there. We're covering the draft obviously coming 892 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,880 Speaker 1: free and see in detail in March. And check out 893 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: my podcast Two Fun Drafts you can find out wherever 894 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,240 Speaker 1: you find your podcast. We talk NFL draft and rookies 895 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: year round. It's a ton of fun me and my 896 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 1: co host Mike Printer. Definitely check it out. You obviously 897 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,799 Speaker 1: know your stuff, appreciate your time as always, Austin, thank you, 898 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,360 Speaker 1: of course, thank you, And there it is everything you 899 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,439 Speaker 1: ever wanted to know about Piney sewell aside from weather 900 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: Hill eventually wear a Bengals uniform. We won't know that 901 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,280 Speaker 1: until April twenty nine. I hope you enjoyed this week's 902 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: episode of the Bengals Booth Podcast, brought to you by 903 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,839 Speaker 1: bud Light Seltzer. Refresh the game. 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