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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Chuck here, introing episode 5 of the Stuff

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Speaker 1: You Should Know Gets Weird playlist. This is weird stuff, everyone,

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Speaker 1: and this is an episode on the Mary Celeste, because

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Speaker 1: that was definitely pretty weird. It's definitely a mystery, and

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Speaker 1: I believe the title is, in full, The Mystery of

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Speaker 1: the Mary Celeste.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy it right now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, from HowStuffWorks.com. Hey, and

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Speaker 3: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W.

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Speaker 3: Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry Rowland, the triumvirate, the hat trick,

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Speaker 3: the trio, the triage.

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Speaker 2: Trifecta.

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Speaker 3: In French. There you go. Is that Latin?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I just know it as a gambling term.

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Speaker 3: Well, whatever it is, it's stuff you should know.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Happy New Year.

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Speaker 3: Happy New Year to you too, buddy. Happy New Year, Jerry.

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Speaker 3: Cheap mouth Happy New Year. Thank you, Jerry.

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Speaker 2: So, in real time, this is our first recording of 2018.

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Speaker 2: I know this always feels a little bit weird when

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Speaker 2: we say things like Happy New Year in, what, February?

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Late January?

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Speaker 3: No, it's like next week. Oh. We ate up the kitty.

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Speaker 2: Did we get that slim?

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 2: During our long break, which was wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so nice, Chuck. I actually, get this, relaxed.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: I don't buy it.

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Speaker 3: I did. I unwound. My cortisol levels decreased, although the

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Speaker 3: spare tire didn't actually go down with it. It was

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Speaker 2: My webcam begs to differ because I was peeking in

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Speaker 2: on you the whole time.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, I did a lot of work, but I

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Speaker 3: did relax in between.

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Speaker 2: I saw you pacing.

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Speaker 3: Wondering what to do with myself.

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Speaker 2: Clipping orchids, clipping orchids.

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Speaker 3: Man, my orchids are doing so well right now. It's

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Speaker 3: super cold out, of course, right? But I've got to

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Speaker 3: that one yet. But I built like a little impromptu

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Speaker 3: cold frame around them. And I have a mini crock

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Speaker 3: pot warming water inside the cold frame. So to the orchids,

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Speaker 3: they're in Ecuador right now during the rainy season.

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Speaker 2: It's like downsizing. Have you seen that yet? No.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Well, that means nothing to you then.

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't. I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: You have to tell me now. What is it?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's that new movie. The new Alexander Payne movie

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Speaker 2: with Matt Damon.

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Speaker 3: Does it have to do with orchids?

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: Crockpots?

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Speaker 2: It has to do with shrinking people down and living

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Speaker 3: Oh, that sounds kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: So there'd be like a miniature crockpot. That's what got

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Speaker 3: Did you ever see that documentary? I'm sorry, everybody who

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Speaker 3: wants to stay on track, but just one more thing.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever see that documentary, Chuck, about the woman

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Speaker 3: who created miniature crime scenes for police to study and

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Speaker 3: this lady who did exactly what I just said, and

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Speaker 2: You know how much I love miniature things, though.

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Speaker 3: Well, you would love this. I'm surprised you haven't seen

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Speaker 2: No, because what was, I think it was in Chicago,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll bet. It's amazing. I know. There is something

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Speaker 2: Have you ever get the little tiny Tabasco bottle?

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Speaker 3: It's about as prized a Tabasco bottle as you can get.

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Speaker 2: Man, I love small stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, I know what you're getting next Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, some tiny Tabascos.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Good to know. Good to know. All right. So

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Speaker 2: Yeah. This is a good one. The old ghost ship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. When you cross mystery with history, it just blows up.

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Speaker 3: The spot. The whole spot blows up. And that's what

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Speaker 3: time life unexplained phenomena series oh yeah i'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: Know you were tiny what do you mean you were

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Speaker 3: I i I wasn't tiny at 10. I was really

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Speaker 3: Well, anyway. Just imagine little kind of chubby 10-year-old Josh

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Speaker 3: sitting there reading a Time Life book, learning about the

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Speaker 3: a great universe to live in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where there can be ghost ships.

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Speaker 2: All right, so way back machine time, right? But this

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Speaker 3: Well, no, we're going to old New York. Oh, okay.

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Speaker 2: So we don't need to get wet yet?

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Speaker 3: No, not yet. We're Daniel Day-Lewis Reign Supreme.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen that yet? Oh, no, you're talking about

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Speaker 2: Gangs of New York.

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Speaker 3: Gangs of New York.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were talking about the new one, Phantom Thread.

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Speaker 3: Where do you hear about these movies?

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Speaker 2: That's my job, dude.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that movie's even out yet, actually. At

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Speaker 2: least not in Atlanta. We're like a second-tier city.

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Speaker 2: I could certainly believe it. Yeah. So does that mean

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Speaker 3: Maybe so. All right. 2.5.

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Speaker 2: All right, so are you talking early November 1872?

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Speaker 3: Yes, November 4th, to be exact, a Monday.

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about the Astor House in New York City,

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Speaker 3: have you ever read Devil in the White City?

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Speaker 2: No, man, I still have not read that.

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Speaker 3: You should read it. It's pretty good. But one of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but everything back then was like crown roast and

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Speaker 2: It was just like huge trays of beef.

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Speaker 2: That's right. All right, so at this dinner table, we

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Speaker 2: Captain Benjamin Spooner, Briggs. And they're sitting down with Briggs' wife, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, did Morehouse have his wife there,

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Speaker 3: And they, I mean, the fact that these guys were

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Speaker 3: unremarkable in most senses, right? Yeah. But a month later,

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Speaker 3: it would be incredibly ironic. Oh, yes. And tell them why.

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Speaker 2: Well, because Morehouse's ship, the, is it Degratia?

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 2: Okay. We'll call it that. D-E-I-G-R-A-T-I-A. Degratia. was sailing along,

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Speaker 2: and we'll get to the specifics of how this happened

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Speaker 2: in a second, but they came upon his buddy's ship,

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Speaker 2: the Mary Celeste. And by all accounts, it was probably like, hey,

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Speaker 2: how Spoon's Briggs is doing. And they weren't doing well

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Speaker 2: because nobody aboard the ship was aboard the ship.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, just seeing the ship would have caught

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Speaker 2: That is correct.

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Speaker 3: Right. So the Mary Celeste, this very famous ghost ship,

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine back in those days if you get

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Speaker 3: Maybe even worse than that, right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but think about this. First of all, sailors are

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Speaker 3: But this is also a business venture, so it's not

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Speaker 2: And captain number two was John Nutting Parker.

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Speaker 3: Great name.

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Speaker 2: It is a good name. And he also sailed to London.

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Speaker 2: And when they left, they actually encountered some trouble right

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Speaker 3: Yes. Cursed ship, cursed ship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that other boat was probably like, picks a lot.

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Speaker 3: Right, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And the captain of the other ship even stubbed

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Speaker 3: So, again, this is a business venture. The owner said, whatever.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if this actually is an inordinate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that must be pretty bad. So they literally left

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Speaker 2: Or I guess wood decomposes, right? Or is that just rot?

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Speaker 3: I think rod is more slang.

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Speaker 2: Okay. It sounds grosser, too.

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Speaker 2: Right. And at that point, the ship was bought by

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Speaker 2: And then he, I mean, the ship is changing hands, basically.

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Speaker 3: West Egg.

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Speaker 2: That's correct. It's just got a good name.

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Speaker 3: Plus it's easy to use, and it's been around forever.

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Speaker 2: They're always just like a year behind, which I can respect.

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Speaker 2: So Haynes went through bankruptcy, and that boat was seized.

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Speaker 2: And Haynes had fixed it up a little bit, but

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Speaker 3: We're starring Vanilla Ice. You like that one, huh?

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Speaker 2: I've seen that show. Have you seen it?

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Speaker 3: For like five minutes. I'll tell you this. This proves

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Speaker 3: It was bizarre how it just got its hooks in me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that happens from time to time with me too.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't seen one with that yet.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it was sunblock.

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Speaker 2: Well that might have been it okay uh all right

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Speaker 3: Oh oh oh you're asking me yeah it's been a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those sliding doors things, like should

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Speaker 2: So Briggs, like you said, brought along his wife, who

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Speaker 2: And we can't curse.

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Speaker 3: was equally well regarded. And he, because his family was

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00:20:57,609 --> 00:21:01,300
Speaker 3: on the boat with him, he went to some... trouble

446
00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 3: to make sure that the seven crew members that he

447
00:21:03,700 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 3: picked were of upright character themselves, that there weren't any

448
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 3: shade balls because you don't want any shady sailors out

449
00:21:11,220 --> 00:21:13,460
Speaker 3: in the middle of the Atlantic ocean with your wife

450
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: and child. No, you don't want that. So that is

451
00:21:17,140 --> 00:21:20,290
Speaker 3: to say that the crew of the Mary Celeste on

452
00:21:20,330 --> 00:21:23,490
Speaker 3: her maiden voyage with Benjamin Briggs, his wife and daughter

453
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:27,630
Speaker 3: were all pretty, pretty top-notch dudes by all accounts.

454
00:21:27,790 --> 00:21:31,370
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So, um, They set sail. What they

455
00:21:31,390 --> 00:21:36,830
Speaker 2: were carrying was about 1,700, actually 1,701 to be exact,

456
00:21:36,890 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 2: barrels of what's called denatured alcohol. This is not rum.

457
00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:45,660
Speaker 2: This is not something you're going to drink. It is undrinkable.

458
00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:49,620
Speaker 2: It is like fuel, basically, industrial fuel. And they finally

459
00:21:49,660 --> 00:21:53,540
Speaker 2: set sail on November 7, 1872, bound for Italy, bound

460
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 2: for Genoa. And I think we should probably take a

461
00:21:57,660 --> 00:21:58,139
Speaker 2: break right here.

462
00:21:58,619 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

463
00:21:59,340 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 2: All right. We'll be right back about The.

464
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 3: Haunted Ghost Ship.

465
00:22:03,060 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 4: All right, Chuck.

466
00:22:29,070 --> 00:22:30,710
Speaker 2: We're out at sea.

467
00:22:32,550 --> 00:22:35,990
Speaker 3: Okay, so there was an investigation, as you can imagine.

468
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,459
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that more later. But this investigation determined

469
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 3: that probably, although they definitely ran into some storms and

470
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,869
Speaker 3: heavy weather here or there, but most of the voyage

471
00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:50,290
Speaker 3: of the Mary Celeste was fairly unremarkable overall, right?

472
00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:51,669
Speaker 2: Yeah, they made it a long way.

473
00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:55,860
Speaker 3: It wasn't. They did. It wasn't until the last five

474
00:22:55,940 --> 00:23:00,459
Speaker 3: days before they are suspected to have disappeared that the

475
00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:04,619
Speaker 3: Mary Celeste's voyage turned a little odd or became a

476
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,369
Speaker 3: little unusual. Yeah. And they figured out that from looking

477
00:23:08,410 --> 00:23:13,630
Speaker 3: at the logbooks that within that last five days, Captain

478
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 3: Briggs decided that he really should have seen land by

479
00:23:18,340 --> 00:23:21,540
Speaker 3: by this time. And if you're a captain and you're

480
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 3: a chronometer, which is basically like from what I was

481
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,810
Speaker 3: reading about this, it's like a portable time zone that

482
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:35,630
Speaker 3: you can use for celestial navigation to basically tell exactly

483
00:23:35,710 --> 00:23:39,110
Speaker 3: where you are in the world. It's a very valuable

484
00:23:39,150 --> 00:23:43,010
Speaker 3: tool to have at sea, but if your chronometer is faulty,

485
00:23:43,890 --> 00:23:47,210
Speaker 3: you're not necessarily going to be where you think you are. Okay.

486
00:23:47,869 --> 00:23:51,470
Speaker 3: So based on his calculations with his chronometer, he thought

487
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,020
Speaker 3: that they should have seen land, the Azores by then.

488
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: This island chain in the Atlantic kind of toward Portugal.

489
00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:03,630
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like just like dead west of southern Portugal.

490
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:07,030
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the easternmost island of the Azores is

491
00:24:07,170 --> 00:24:11,270
Speaker 3: like 400 miles north. West of Portugal. Something like that.

492
00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:12,410
Speaker 2: Quite lovely, I imagine.

493
00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:15,110
Speaker 3: I can imagine, too. But I think it's also basically

494
00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:18,730
Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere. In the mid-Atlantic.

495
00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:21,790
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things where if you do

496
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:24,669
Speaker 2: the Google map, you will see these tiny specks and

497
00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:27,409
Speaker 2: nothing but blue. Right. So you've got to start zooming

498
00:24:27,490 --> 00:24:28,609
Speaker 2: out to see where the heck you are.

499
00:24:29,030 --> 00:24:32,250
Speaker 3: Right. It's like the Hawaii of the Atlantic, I think. Okay.

500
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:36,230
Speaker 3: So he thought that he should have seen the Azores

501
00:24:36,290 --> 00:24:38,790
Speaker 3: by then. And he hadn't. So I think he started

502
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:41,729
Speaker 3: to get a little nervous because they changed course. They

503
00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:45,260
Speaker 3: went northward, which he suspected would have taken him toward

504
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:48,020
Speaker 3: the Azores. And he may have been either looking to

505
00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:57,129
Speaker 3: kind of reorient himself or just looking for haven. Who knows?

506
00:24:57,730 --> 00:25:01,350
Speaker 3: But they know that they did change course and that

507
00:25:01,690 --> 00:25:04,220
Speaker 3: he wasn't where he was. He thought he was.

508
00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:06,820
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also get the idea, which will jibe

509
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: with one of the theories, is that he may have

510
00:25:09,380 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: been a little nervous having his two-year-old and his wife

511
00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:13,379
Speaker 2: aboard in general.

512
00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:16,700
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, it's not just his

513
00:25:16,780 --> 00:25:18,980
Speaker 3: safety now or even the safety of the crew. It's

514
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 3: his little kid and his wife's safety. Of course he's

515
00:25:21,380 --> 00:25:22,580
Speaker 3: going to be worried about that.

516
00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: Exactly. Man, I can't imagine having a two-year-old on a ship.

517
00:25:25,330 --> 00:25:26,090
Speaker 2: What a nightmare.

518
00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:26,950
Speaker 3: I know.

519
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:28,050
Speaker 2: Good God.

520
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:30,990
Speaker 3: I know. Just go on a cruise. You can experience

521
00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:32,510
Speaker 3: it a million times over. Oy.

522
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, because a modern-day cruise ship is the same as

523
00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:40,629
Speaker 2: a 19th century sailing vessel.

524
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:46,230
Speaker 3: It's not. You're right. There's nothing to do. No, that's true.

525
00:25:46,690 --> 00:25:48,909
Speaker 3: Although they did have a melodion, which I had to

526
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:51,109
Speaker 3: look that up as well. It's like an accordion.

527
00:25:51,290 --> 00:25:53,530
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see why they even call it something different.

528
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:55,430
Speaker 3: Right, an accordion with keys.

529
00:25:55,970 --> 00:26:00,590
Speaker 2: All right, so on... Oh, as opposed to what?

530
00:26:01,410 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: The little buttons. Oh. Or maybe it's the accordion with

531
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 3: the buttons right on the keys. It's one of the two.

532
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:09,380
Speaker 2: Okay.

533
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about. It's like a weird

534
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: Al Yankovic type instrument.

535
00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: Oh, well, we should get Aaron Cooper to write us

536
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:15,979
Speaker 2: because he will surely do.

537
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,609
Speaker 3: And they, yes, I'm sure. So they would have had

538
00:26:20,650 --> 00:26:24,050
Speaker 3: that aboard, which would have been all the pleasure you

539
00:26:24,090 --> 00:26:24,750
Speaker 3: could imagine.

540
00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, like one wooden doll and a And an accordion

541
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,900
Speaker 2: is really going to keep a two-year-old occupied.

542
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 3: And a communal salt lick in the middle of the

543
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,379
Speaker 3: above deck.

544
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: All right. So the next morning they wake up and

545
00:26:40,340 --> 00:26:44,250
Speaker 2: the Mary Celeste actually sees land, which I can imagine

546
00:26:44,290 --> 00:26:47,870
Speaker 2: if you were a seaman out there in the 19th

547
00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:50,729
Speaker 2: century and you're a little worried, there is no more

548
00:26:50,790 --> 00:26:54,270
Speaker 2: welcome sight than seeing land. You know, after seeing nothing

549
00:26:54,859 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: but water for weeks and weeks. So they see land.

550
00:26:58,980 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 2: The logbook says they saw land. They're about six miles

551
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,970
Speaker 2: from Santa Maria, which is the easternmost of the Azores.

552
00:27:07,270 --> 00:27:10,810
Speaker 2: And this was sort of the last stop before you

553
00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:11,450
Speaker 2: hit Portugal.

554
00:27:12,170 --> 00:27:16,429
Speaker 3: Right. I can imagine. He just was so relieved when

555
00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:17,250
Speaker 3: he saw this land.

556
00:27:17,270 --> 00:27:17,530
Speaker 2: Sure.

557
00:27:18,130 --> 00:27:20,260
Speaker 3: So the reason we know this is not because anybody

558
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: on the Mary Celeste told anybody, at least not verbally.

559
00:27:24,250 --> 00:27:28,780
Speaker 3: They found the logbook and the log slate, which is

560
00:27:28,820 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: kind of like you're just keeping track of stuff on

561
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: the slate before you actually transcribe it into the logbook.

562
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: And the log slate was where they noted that 8 a.m.

563
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,860
Speaker 3: on November 25th, the Mary Celeste sighted land, and by

564
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: their calculations were six miles off of Santa Maria, right?

565
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: That's right.

566
00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: That was November 25th. Yes.

567
00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: I guess they just had a nice Thanksgiving?

568
00:27:53,260 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe.

569
00:27:54,670 --> 00:27:57,990
Speaker 2: With their salt lick? Yeah. Now, they had food, as

570
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,740
Speaker 2: we will see. Yeah. So, remember the Drogatia?

571
00:28:02,859 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: Drogatia.

572
00:28:03,619 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: Drogatia.

573
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: I think that's it, that last one.

574
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,340
Speaker 2: So, the other ship that was being sailed by his buddy,

575
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: Captain Morehouse, remember? Seaman John Johnson of that ship said, hey, Cappy,

576
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,550
Speaker 2: there's another ship out here. And it's about 400 miles

577
00:28:24,650 --> 00:28:28,130
Speaker 2: further east from where that log had placed that ship,

578
00:28:28,550 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: the Mary Celeste.

579
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: Not only that, it was a good 10 or 11

580
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:33,659
Speaker 3: days later.

581
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: Right. So this is all spelling trouble. There are only

582
00:28:38,420 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: three sails set. The rest of the sails had either

583
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,060
Speaker 2: blown away, weren't raised. None of this bodes well. And

584
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,860
Speaker 2: Captain Morehouse, I don't think he probably recognized from that

585
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,660
Speaker 2: distance that it was the Mary Celeste yet. Right. But

586
00:28:51,260 --> 00:28:55,210
Speaker 2: he sent his first mate, Oliver DeVoe, and second mate,

587
00:28:55,270 --> 00:28:59,030
Speaker 2: John Wright, and another dude and said, get in that boat,

588
00:28:59,470 --> 00:29:01,070
Speaker 2: row over there, and see what the heck's going on.

589
00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:04,650
Speaker 3: Right. So these guys, DeVoe and Wright, were the ones

590
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:08,930
Speaker 3: who actually got on deck and investigated the Mary Celeste.

591
00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:10,740
Speaker 3: And I read this one article that I think just

592
00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: put it so perfectly, like just ropes creaking, like a

593
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: door kind of banging open and closed in the wind.

594
00:29:19,810 --> 00:29:23,130
Speaker 3: And just utter silence as far as humans are concerned.

595
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:27,380
Speaker 3: Nobody on board the ship would be so creepy. I

596
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,660
Speaker 3: think that Oliver DeVoe and John Wright probably experienced one

597
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,350
Speaker 3: of the creepiest experiences that any human ever has in

598
00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:38,350
Speaker 3: the history of people.

599
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:43,990
Speaker 2: So is it creepier? for Josh Clark, Seaman Josh, to

600
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:50,580
Speaker 2: get upon the ship and find nobody aboard, but everything

601
00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: seemingly okay, or to see dead bodies in each of

602
00:29:55,820 --> 00:29:56,220
Speaker 2: the bunks?

603
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,590
Speaker 3: It would be... Okay, so it depends on the position

604
00:30:00,630 --> 00:30:02,270
Speaker 3: of the dead bodies. Are they just kind of like

605
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:05,970
Speaker 3: crumpled and tossed like they've been thrown down onto the

606
00:30:06,010 --> 00:30:09,670
Speaker 3: bed or something like that? Or are they like sitting

607
00:30:09,770 --> 00:30:12,860
Speaker 3: up at the dinner table or sitting up in bed?

608
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,220
Speaker 2: Or is it a Walt Disney ride?

609
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

610
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, or are they laying there with purple robes and Nikes,

611
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,100
Speaker 2: Heaven's Gate style?

612
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be something as well. So to me,

613
00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:28,780
Speaker 3: creepier is... I think no one there. I think it

614
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: would be more horrific to find the bodies, of course.

615
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: But creepier would be just finding a ghost ship. Okay.

616
00:30:36,580 --> 00:30:37,140
Speaker 2: I agree, I think.

617
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,350
Speaker 3: Because there's the absence of something that's supposed to be there.

618
00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:42,630
Speaker 3: And that's, I think, what would make it so creepy.

619
00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:45,110
Speaker 2: Well, yeah. And I think the thing that really makes

620
00:30:45,170 --> 00:30:50,070
Speaker 2: it creepy, as we will see, is that it wasn't like, hey,

621
00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:51,730
Speaker 2: this ship has clearly been pirated.

622
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:52,410
Speaker 3: Right.

623
00:30:52,580 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: And there's blood on the walls and people have been killed.

624
00:30:55,940 --> 00:31:02,170
Speaker 2: There was just nobody there. No signs of distress. The sextant,

625
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:04,489
Speaker 2: the chronometer. I know.

626
00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:05,870
Speaker 3: It's tougher than you'd think to say.

627
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:09,890
Speaker 2: The chronometer. The nav book. They were gone, but that

628
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:13,790
Speaker 2: log book was still there. So basically, like, there was food.

629
00:31:13,930 --> 00:31:17,170
Speaker 2: There was drinking water. Everyone's clothes were there. That little

630
00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:20,270
Speaker 2: girl's two– the salt lick was there. Her two toys

631
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:20,730
Speaker 2: were there.

632
00:31:21,390 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: Shoot, there was the impression– From her sleeping on the

633
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: bed in the captain's cabin?

634
00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:27,410
Speaker 2: That's super creepy. It is.

635
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:32,910
Speaker 3: Yeah. There were no signs of violence. There was no

636
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:37,910
Speaker 3: signs of panic. No kind of disorder. I mean, some

637
00:31:37,950 --> 00:31:40,210
Speaker 3: things were out of order, but it was the kind

638
00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: of stuff that you could chalk up to a ship

639
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: drifting at sea for a week or so.

640
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

641
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: By itself.

642
00:31:46,510 --> 00:31:47,530
Speaker 2: Like a broken compass.

643
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,390
Speaker 3: Right. Broken compass. Like some of them, some of the

644
00:31:50,670 --> 00:31:55,550
Speaker 3: sails have been blown down onto the deck itself. There

645
00:31:55,570 --> 00:31:59,110
Speaker 3: was some water in there. Yeah. Right. And then one

646
00:31:59,150 --> 00:32:01,930
Speaker 3: of the things they found, which is a pretty big clue,

647
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: was improvised sounding rod, which is basically just a stick

648
00:32:06,820 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: with markings on it to show feet. Right.

649
00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:10,540
Speaker 2: Yeah.

650
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,310
Speaker 3: And they you would lower that into the hold and.

651
00:32:13,710 --> 00:32:16,490
Speaker 3: to see where the water mark hit. It's just to

652
00:32:16,530 --> 00:32:18,810
Speaker 3: figure out how deep water is in a hold. So

653
00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:21,410
Speaker 3: they clearly knew that there was water in the hold

654
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:23,780
Speaker 3: because they built the sounding rod, and it had been

655
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: found on the deck by the two guys from the

656
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: Dei Gratia.

657
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was only about three and a half

658
00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:32,140
Speaker 2: feet of water by all accounts, and that sounds like

659
00:32:32,180 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: a lot to a guy like me who's not an

660
00:32:34,140 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: experienced sailor. Sure. But apparently on a ship that size,

661
00:32:37,420 --> 00:32:38,290
Speaker 2: that's like no big whoop.

662
00:32:38,970 --> 00:32:41,030
Speaker 3: One of the other things that ties in with the water, too,

663
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:43,710
Speaker 3: is they had two pumps aboard. One of the pumps

664
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: was found disassembled. So there was basically like these guys

665
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,630
Speaker 3: came onto the ship and there are all these weird

666
00:32:52,860 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 3: out-of-context things that were the result of decisions made by

667
00:32:57,060 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: people who were now vanished. And they had to try

668
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,900
Speaker 3: to figure this out. But one of the first things

669
00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: that came into their head, eventually, I think when they

670
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,130
Speaker 3: went back to the Dei Gratia, and told Morehouse what

671
00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:13,150
Speaker 3: was going on, in pretty short order, somebody said, well,

672
00:33:14,150 --> 00:33:18,130
Speaker 3: we should probably take this ship to Gibraltar with us.

673
00:33:18,170 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: How about that? Because there's something called salvage rights, and

674
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: whether it was your friend who was missing or what

675
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: have you, you would have been pretty foolish to have

676
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,700
Speaker 3: just continued on your way and left the Mary Celeste,

677
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: because what they found pretty quickly, and this adds to

678
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,170
Speaker 3: the mystery itself as well, The Mary Celeste was totally saleable.

679
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:41,630
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I don't even think we pointed out

680
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:46,260
Speaker 2: that all the denatured alcohol that they were shipping was

681
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: there and intact. Like, it's not like they had been

682
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: axed into or, like, what would you pillage?

683
00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:55,860
Speaker 3: Exploded.

684
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,900
Speaker 2: Or exploded. It was all there. All the gear on

685
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,190
Speaker 2: board was there. So there was a lot to salvage,

686
00:34:02,270 --> 00:34:04,610
Speaker 2: in other words. Because not only can you salvage the ship,

687
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:05,770
Speaker 2: but the cargo. Yeah.

688
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: Exactly.

689
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,590
Speaker 2: And what it would come out to, like between $ 45, 000

690
00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:13,190
Speaker 2: and $ 80, 000 in today dollars, is what he could have

691
00:34:13,210 --> 00:34:15,770
Speaker 2: potentially gotten for salvaging this thing.

692
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:19,990
Speaker 3: Yeah, because at the time, the insurers owed a reward

693
00:34:20,050 --> 00:34:23,730
Speaker 3: to whoever salvaged a ship like this, and it could

694
00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:26,010
Speaker 3: run up to 100% of the value of the cargo

695
00:34:26,110 --> 00:34:26,629
Speaker 3: or the ship.

696
00:34:27,130 --> 00:34:28,310
Speaker 2: Mutual of Nova Scotia.

697
00:34:28,330 --> 00:34:29,489
Speaker 3: Right.

698
00:34:29,530 --> 00:34:30,630
Speaker 2: It would pay good dollars.

699
00:34:30,810 --> 00:34:33,330
Speaker 3: Which, I mean, man, you want to see a board

700
00:34:33,590 --> 00:34:36,549
Speaker 3: stuffed with neckbeards? Yeah. Go to that bank.

701
00:34:40,170 --> 00:34:44,350
Speaker 2: Oh, that's good. All right. So they, like you said,

702
00:34:44,410 --> 00:34:46,990
Speaker 2: decided to do the smart thing and the right thing

703
00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: because and it was his friend. Besides the fact that

704
00:34:50,580 --> 00:34:52,379
Speaker 2: I mean, anyone would have tried to salvage the ship,

705
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: but it was also his pal. So I think that

706
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,109
Speaker 2: probably had a little to do with him saying or

707
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,009
Speaker 2: maybe it was just all the money.

708
00:35:00,070 --> 00:35:02,090
Speaker 3: No, I think it was both. I'm sure he was concerned.

709
00:35:02,370 --> 00:35:05,169
Speaker 3: I've read accounts that he was concerned by this.

710
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:06,850
Speaker 2: He said, aye, very concerned.

711
00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:07,910
Speaker 3: Yeah.

712
00:35:08,489 --> 00:35:09,049
Speaker 2: The end.

713
00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:12,969
Speaker 3: So they take this boat. They actually took, there was

714
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:16,379
Speaker 3: three guys. One of them was Oliver DeVoe, who was

715
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: the first mate of the Dei Gratia. He was in

716
00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:21,100
Speaker 3: charge of sailing this.

717
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, very important note.

718
00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:28,170
Speaker 3: Yeah, he sailed with just two other guys. The Mary Celeste.

719
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:31,890
Speaker 3: They pumped out the water from the hold. They fixed

720
00:35:31,930 --> 00:35:34,950
Speaker 3: the sails. And the night of the day that they

721
00:35:34,989 --> 00:35:38,910
Speaker 3: found it, they set sail for Gibraltar. And just three

722
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:43,690
Speaker 3: dudes sailed this thing successfully 1,000 kilometers from where it

723
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:46,989
Speaker 3: was found onto Gibraltar. Not bad. Where they took it

724
00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:50,830
Speaker 3: to the salvage court and said, pay up.

725
00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 2: That's right. And this is where things get a little

726
00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: bit weird. Because... There was a man there, the Queen's

727
00:35:57,580 --> 00:36:01,540
Speaker 2: Proctor in Gibraltar, by the name of Frederick Solly Flood.

728
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,950
Speaker 3: Man, that could not be more British.

729
00:36:04,110 --> 00:36:10,430
Speaker 2: I know. And he basically said, hmm, this is, you

730
00:36:10,450 --> 00:36:13,710
Speaker 2: say there was nobody there at all. There's no explanation

731
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:17,469
Speaker 2: for any of this. And you want the equivalent of

732
00:36:17,469 --> 00:36:17,730
Speaker 2: $ 2017 of $ 45, 000.

733
00:36:17,590 --> 00:36:19,070
Speaker 3: To $ 80, 000?

734
00:36:18,110 --> 00:36:18,850
Speaker 2: Thank you, West Egg.

735
00:36:24,860 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: No, I think that was in their dollars. $ 1872.

736
00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:34,350
Speaker 2: No, it says contemporary estimate. Doesn't that mean?

737
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:37,189
Speaker 3: No, contemporary at the time.

738
00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:39,890
Speaker 2: Oh, okay.

739
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:42,530
Speaker 3: I think that was an estimate in their dollars.

740
00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:44,490
Speaker 2: Is there such a thing as contemporary at the time?

741
00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: Doesn't that always mean now?

742
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,940
Speaker 3: I don't know. I could have gotten it wrong. It's

743
00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: entirely possible. All right.

744
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,790
Speaker 2: Well, it's 2018 and we're just figuring stuff out here, folks.

745
00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:57,549
Speaker 2: So give us a break.

746
00:36:58,010 --> 00:37:01,510
Speaker 3: So it's in their dollars. So I'm almost positive.

747
00:37:01,790 --> 00:37:05,370
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, at any rate, he was– Sully Flood said,

748
00:37:06,030 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: this seems really hinky to me, guys. And DeVoe, you, sir,

749
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: since you boarded the thing first, you sailed it here.

750
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 2: You are the star witness in this case. He gave

751
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,529
Speaker 2: his testimony. It was very clear. Nothing weird about it.

752
00:37:21,590 --> 00:37:24,100
Speaker 2: He was very honest because, by all accounts, he had

753
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: nothing to hide. But Solly Floods just was suspicious from

754
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:29,220
Speaker 2: the beginning.

755
00:37:30,140 --> 00:37:32,660
Speaker 3: Yeah, so much so that during this investigation, and this

756
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,500
Speaker 3: would be like going to probate court, and all of

757
00:37:35,540 --> 00:37:40,100
Speaker 3: a sudden the representative for the state accuses you of

758
00:37:40,219 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 3: murdering your grandma, who's the state you're in charge of

759
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,540
Speaker 3: taking through probate. Yeah. And then suddenly there's this murder

760
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,460
Speaker 3: investigation against you.

761
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:49,500
Speaker 2: Without any evidence of anything.

762
00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:53,819
Speaker 3: Right. Just based on the prosecutor's suspicions, right?

763
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:55,950
Speaker 2: Well, and that Granny disappeared without a trace.

764
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:58,810
Speaker 3: Well, oh yeah, that's a big one too. I forgot

765
00:37:58,850 --> 00:37:59,270
Speaker 3: that part.

766
00:37:59,410 --> 00:38:00,510
Speaker 2: But, you know.

767
00:38:00,630 --> 00:38:02,870
Speaker 3: So that's basically what happened to these guys. So they

768
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:08,259
Speaker 3: were pretty surprised by this. And Solly Flood launched this investigation.

769
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,820
Speaker 3: They inspected the Mary Celeste. They found Marks on the railing,

770
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 3: which Solly Flood was like, these are clearly hatchet marks.

771
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,390
Speaker 3: There was discoloration on Captain Briggs' sword. This is clearly blood. Well,

772
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:24,390
Speaker 3: it turned out that the hatchet marks, the axe marks,

773
00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:29,190
Speaker 3: were actually from the construction of the ship. That wasn't

774
00:38:29,350 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: axe marks, so no violence there. There wasn't blood on Briggs' sword.

775
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,100
Speaker 3: It was just rust. But Solly Flood was so determined

776
00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: to prosecute these guys that he suppressed the test results.

777
00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:45,910
Speaker 3: that showed that this was not blood on the sword,

778
00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:47,969
Speaker 3: that it was actually rust. He really wanted to get

779
00:38:48,010 --> 00:38:48,489
Speaker 3: these two.

780
00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:51,030
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and here's the deal. I think things really

781
00:38:51,090 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: ramped up when, here's what happened. Before all of this, like,

782
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,780
Speaker 2: deep investigation, remember, Morehouse still has his ship that was waylaid.

783
00:39:02,420 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 2: And so he says, hey, DeVoe, I got to stay

784
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,950
Speaker 2: here for this thing to collect this dough. You just

785
00:39:07,989 --> 00:39:11,219
Speaker 2: go on to Genoa. You've already testified. And take our

786
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,180
Speaker 2: cargo of petroleum because I got to get the stuff here.

787
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,700
Speaker 2: I'm losing money. Right. And so he did so. And

788
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,819
Speaker 2: so all of a sudden, Sully Flood was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

789
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,470
Speaker 2: He was the number one witness. And you've just sent

790
00:39:22,489 --> 00:39:26,230
Speaker 2: this guy away. So now I'm super suspicious. Yeah.

791
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 3: But DeVoe came back. He's like, what? What's going on? on, everybody?

792
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: What's the big deal? Here's some salami.

793
00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: So finally, Solly Flood just couldn't come up with any

794
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,770
Speaker 3: evidence of foul play. But apparently did raise enough suspicion

795
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:46,989
Speaker 3: that the probate judge said, you know what? We'll give

796
00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:50,410
Speaker 3: you guys a reward. but it's going to be like

797
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:52,210
Speaker 3: a 10th of what you actually deserve.

798
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:52,530
Speaker 2: Yeah.

799
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:57,029
Speaker 3: So they got a reward of 1700 pounds, um, which

800
00:39:57,090 --> 00:40:02,609
Speaker 3: was Jack, even in that day. Yeah. Um, and they, uh,

801
00:40:02,750 --> 00:40:05,590
Speaker 3: they were allowed to go on their way. The Mary

802
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,660
Speaker 3: Celeste was finally released in February. This, this all began

803
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: in December. She was released in February to finally carry her, uh,

804
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: cargo of alcohol to Genoa, Genoa. And, um, That would

805
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,379
Speaker 3: have been that. And what's weird is when you think

806
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,170
Speaker 3: about this ghost ship, you just think like, well, obviously

807
00:40:26,290 --> 00:40:28,850
Speaker 3: they took her out of service or commission. You've got

808
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:31,290
Speaker 3: to remember, this is a business venture. A ship in

809
00:40:31,350 --> 00:40:34,090
Speaker 3: those days, just like they are today, it's a business venture.

810
00:40:34,570 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: And business people are not exactly the sentimental types usually.

811
00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 3: So once she got to Genoa, they got a new crew,

812
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:44,899
Speaker 3: a new captain, and put her right back into service again.

813
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: So, as you say, it just is back out there

814
00:40:48,820 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: on the market again, taking cargo around the world. And

815
00:40:53,260 --> 00:40:58,529
Speaker 2: it ran aground off a reef of Haiti in 1885.

816
00:40:58,530 --> 00:41:00,330
Speaker 2: And this was all– this is just kind of a

817
00:41:00,530 --> 00:41:05,410
Speaker 2: weird ending to this ship that was super unlucky or

818
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:07,649
Speaker 2: maybe cursed. Who knows? Of course, that stuff isn't real.

819
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:13,469
Speaker 2: But it ran aground in Haiti as part of this

820
00:41:13,630 --> 00:41:17,890
Speaker 2: insurance fraud scheme. So they cooked up this scheme. Who

821
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:21,070
Speaker 2: was the, what was the guy's name? The captain?

822
00:41:21,610 --> 00:41:23,250
Speaker 3: Captain Gilman Perkins.

823
00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:26,130
Speaker 2: All right. So here's what he did. He basically, it's

824
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:28,569
Speaker 2: like any insurance fraud you can imagine today. Like when

825
00:41:28,590 --> 00:41:32,980
Speaker 2: I was a kid, there was this, you know, I

826
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: didn't grow up in a big neighborhood. I grew up

827
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: on a street with like seven houses and it was

828
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,819
Speaker 2: a dirt road until I was like 12. With the

829
00:41:38,860 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: murder house? No.

830
00:41:40,580 --> 00:41:41,650
Speaker 3: Oh. Oh.

831
00:41:42,110 --> 00:41:42,730
Speaker 2: What murder house?

832
00:41:43,070 --> 00:41:44,670
Speaker 3: Was it a murder house or a haunted house? I

833
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:46,370
Speaker 3: can't remember. There was one down the street from you

834
00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:47,700
Speaker 3: that you were scared to death of.

835
00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:52,830
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. This was that. So that one was torn down,

836
00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:55,270
Speaker 2: but a big house was built in its place. But

837
00:41:55,330 --> 00:41:59,830
Speaker 2: the old barn from the murdery haunted house was still there.

838
00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:03,450
Speaker 2: And my brother and I used to go exploring, is

839
00:42:03,489 --> 00:42:06,390
Speaker 2: what we'll call it now. We basically busted into this barn,

840
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 2: and we're just checking things out one day. And then

841
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: about two weeks later, the thing burned down. And I

842
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:16,700
Speaker 2: remember being a little kid in these insurance detectives. Is

843
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:17,930
Speaker 2: that what they're called?

844
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:19,609
Speaker 3: They are now.

845
00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:21,950
Speaker 2: Insurance, whatever, investigators.

846
00:42:22,969 --> 00:42:24,390
Speaker 3: Claims investigators?

847
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:26,930
Speaker 2: Yeah, they came by and questioned Scott and I. And

848
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:28,730
Speaker 2: we're like, what was in that thing? Because this guy

849
00:42:28,770 --> 00:42:31,980
Speaker 2: is claiming like hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of,

850
00:42:32,540 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: I can't remember what all he said was in there. And,

851
00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:36,100
Speaker 2: you know, we were little kids, so we just told

852
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,339
Speaker 2: the truth. We're like, none of that stuff was in there.

853
00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:39,540
Speaker 3: We stole that.

854
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,330
Speaker 2: It was a bunch of. Old file cabinets and just

855
00:42:42,370 --> 00:42:44,250
Speaker 2: a bunch of junk. It was just like a junk barn.

856
00:42:45,390 --> 00:42:46,940
Speaker 2: So I'm not even, I need to ask my mom.

857
00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sure whatever happened with that.

858
00:42:48,219 --> 00:42:52,420
Speaker 3: That guy's probably still in jail because of eight-year-old Chuck. Good.

859
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,140
Speaker 3: That's funny. He got some guy sent up the river.

860
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: The law prevailed.

861
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,569
Speaker 2: But that's basically what happened here is this guy purposely

862
00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:04,549
Speaker 2: wrecks the ship and says, man, there was a lot

863
00:43:04,590 --> 00:43:08,070
Speaker 2: of really valuable stuff on board. I was toting a

864
00:43:08,090 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: bunch of bass ale, like the real bass ale. That

865
00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:14,469
Speaker 2: we still enjoy today. Sure. And then what else was there?

866
00:43:14,489 --> 00:43:16,370
Speaker 2: It was a bunch of really expensive shoes.

867
00:43:16,890 --> 00:43:17,410
Speaker 3: Cutlery.

868
00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:18,830
Speaker 2: Yeah, a bunch of cutlery.

869
00:43:18,910 --> 00:43:20,390
Speaker 3: Fine fish, fine butter.

870
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:22,710
Speaker 2: And what was in there? A bunch of garbage.

871
00:43:23,350 --> 00:43:26,570
Speaker 3: It was. So this guy purposely runs the ship aground.

872
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:32,780
Speaker 3: It's insured by five different insurers for a total of $ 34, 000.

873
00:43:30,820 --> 00:43:37,299
Speaker 3: A lot of dough. In 1872 dollars. Contemporary dollars. And

874
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:42,550
Speaker 3: they probably would have gotten away with this. But the captain,

875
00:43:42,830 --> 00:43:47,550
Speaker 3: Gilman Perkins, went ashore and sold salvage rights to this cargo,

876
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:50,810
Speaker 3: this fine cargo that was supposedly on the ship, to

877
00:43:51,330 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 3: a local salvage person in Haiti. And had he not

878
00:43:57,460 --> 00:44:01,299
Speaker 3: conned the salvager, then they may, again, they may have

879
00:44:01,340 --> 00:44:04,060
Speaker 3: gotten away with this. But the salvager went aboard to

880
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: get this, to recover this cargo, this bass, this great butter,

881
00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:11,339
Speaker 3: great shoes, cutlery, all this stuff. And found, like you said,

882
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,930
Speaker 3: just pure nastiness there.

883
00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:16,969
Speaker 2: There was a bunch of junk ale. A lot of

884
00:44:16,989 --> 00:44:20,250
Speaker 2: the bottles weren't even filled. There were dog collars instead

885
00:44:20,310 --> 00:44:21,230
Speaker 2: of shoes.

886
00:44:21,390 --> 00:44:21,750
Speaker 3: Yeah.

887
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 2: What else? The cutlery. No, no, the cutlery was dog collars.

888
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,460
Speaker 2: These boots were old galoshes.

889
00:44:28,820 --> 00:44:33,430
Speaker 3: Yeah, the women's fine shoes. Just classic scams. The butter

890
00:44:33,450 --> 00:44:35,710
Speaker 3: was rank slush, I think is what it was called.

891
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:39,290
Speaker 3: So this con man or the salvager is like, I've

892
00:44:39,310 --> 00:44:41,969
Speaker 3: been conned and alerts the authorities who get on the

893
00:44:42,010 --> 00:44:44,340
Speaker 3: case and finally track it all the way back to Boston.

894
00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: And Captain Perkins, the last captain of the Mary Celeste,

895
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,980
Speaker 3: remember the first captain died. The third or fourth captain disappeared.

896
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,420
Speaker 3: And the last captain of the ship is facing the

897
00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: gallows for barratry, which is deliberate destroying of a ship.

898
00:45:00,260 --> 00:45:01,260
Speaker 2: It's a great crime.

899
00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:05,959
Speaker 3: Narrowly avoided being executed for it. I think the jury

900
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,109
Speaker 3: came back seven to five and he got off, just

901
00:45:09,310 --> 00:45:11,150
Speaker 3: narrowly avoided being killed for it.

902
00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:12,910
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why he got off.

903
00:45:13,530 --> 00:45:17,470
Speaker 3: The article I read by a guy named Paul Collins

904
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: supposed that the jury just couldn't bring themselves to kill

905
00:45:21,780 --> 00:45:25,730
Speaker 3: a person for an insurance fraud scheme. And that was it.

906
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: And actually, a couple of years after, they changed the

907
00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: law So that barotry was no longer a capital offense.

908
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,030
Speaker 3: But you could still get in big trouble for it,

909
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,980
Speaker 3: but a jury would be more likely to convict if

910
00:45:37,140 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: it didn't mean your death, you know?

911
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,030
Speaker 2: Right.

912
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,049
Speaker 3: So the Mary Celeste run aground on this reef met

913
00:45:44,090 --> 00:45:47,830
Speaker 3: its fate when, I guess, the government of Haiti paid

914
00:45:47,989 --> 00:45:51,130
Speaker 3: for it to be doused in kerosene instead of flame.

915
00:45:52,690 --> 00:45:52,910
Speaker 3: All right.

916
00:45:52,930 --> 00:45:54,529
Speaker 2: Well, let's take a break and we'll come back and

917
00:45:54,570 --> 00:45:56,930
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about how the legend of the

918
00:45:56,950 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 2: Mary Celeste lived on and then What may have actually

919
00:46:00,180 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: happened that fateful day in November?

920
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:18,109
Speaker 4: <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>

921
00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:19,450
Speaker 4: <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>.

922
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,770
Speaker 2: All right, so the Mary Celeste, it wasn't some huge

923
00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:35,529
Speaker 2: sensational story of the time. Locally, it probably got a

924
00:46:35,530 --> 00:46:37,529
Speaker 2: little news, but it wasn't like, you know, it didn't

925
00:46:37,570 --> 00:46:42,629
Speaker 2: sweep the world. But there was a story written by

926
00:46:42,730 --> 00:46:49,970
Speaker 2: one Sir Arthur Conan Doyle called J. Habakkuk Jepson's Statement.

927
00:46:50,989 --> 00:46:51,500
Speaker 2: In 1884.

928
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: That's the worst made-up name I've ever heard.

929
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,460
Speaker 2: In Cornhill Magazine, also worst magazine name ever.

930
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,020
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was like a huge magazine at the time. Oh, yeah? Mm-hmm.

931
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,330
Speaker 2: I know it outsold Cornhole Magazine.

932
00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:06,290
Speaker 3: Right.

933
00:47:06,370 --> 00:47:08,430
Speaker 2: So he writes a story, and what it is is

934
00:47:08,469 --> 00:47:15,540
Speaker 2: basically this sensationalistic fake account of the Mary Celeste, but

935
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,020
Speaker 2: everyone takes it as real.

936
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he renamed the ship the Marie Celeste. I

937
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,100
Speaker 3: don't know if it was a mistake on his part

938
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 3: or whatever, but that also muddies the waters these days, too,

939
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 3: as far as Google searches go.

940
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so everyone thought this thing was real. All these

941
00:47:32,260 --> 00:47:35,370
Speaker 2: basically presented a bunch of things as fact, made up

942
00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:39,330
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff like the tea was still hot

943
00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:42,629
Speaker 2: and steaming when they climbed aboard, and the beds were

944
00:47:42,690 --> 00:47:48,540
Speaker 2: still warm, and it was... sailing perfectly and fully sailed

945
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,590
Speaker 2: and breakfast was half eaten and like there's a cigar

946
00:47:52,650 --> 00:47:55,230
Speaker 2: still burning. None of this stuff was true. It was

947
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:58,570
Speaker 2: all cooked up to make the myth just even creepier.

948
00:47:58,590 --> 00:48:01,950
Speaker 2: But a lot of people, even today, still think that

949
00:48:02,010 --> 00:48:02,790
Speaker 2: stuff is kind of true.

950
00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:06,299
Speaker 3: Did he make all that up or was it just

951
00:48:06,340 --> 00:48:07,859
Speaker 3: kind of added to later on?

952
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: Well, I think, I don't know what exactly he made up,

953
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,590
Speaker 2: but it basically over the years was Everyone just started

954
00:48:15,010 --> 00:48:18,020
Speaker 2: adding stuff like that. The lifeboat was still there. You know, right.

955
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,419
Speaker 2: None of that stuff was true.

956
00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:24,060
Speaker 3: Right. So all of those those facts are making scare quotes,

957
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:29,029
Speaker 3: as you can see. They are they they they lend

958
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:33,029
Speaker 3: credence to like really outrageous solutions to this mystery. Right.

959
00:48:33,150 --> 00:48:33,370
Speaker 4: Yeah.

960
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:36,310
Speaker 3: There have been a lot. Well, some some aren't exactly

961
00:48:36,370 --> 00:48:39,969
Speaker 3: outrageous or preposterous. They're just the evidence doesn't support them.

962
00:48:40,050 --> 00:48:41,379
Speaker 3: Some are just totally outrageous.

963
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: Right.

964
00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:45,530
Speaker 3: Yeah. So you can kind of divide them into different categories,

965
00:48:45,590 --> 00:48:50,390
Speaker 3: like the natural phenomenon. There could have been a sea quake,

966
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:55,450
Speaker 3: which I guess happens, and that usually disturbs the sea

967
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:59,030
Speaker 3: above when the seafloor has a massive earthquake. Water spouts,

968
00:48:59,430 --> 00:49:01,940
Speaker 3: rogue waves. Remember, we did a really good episode on

969
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: rogue waves.

970
00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

971
00:49:02,739 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: Remember that one? Giant squid, giant octopus, which fall under

972
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: the subcategory sea monster. That's the natural stuff.

973
00:49:13,060 --> 00:49:13,910
Speaker 2: Sigma and the sea monster?

974
00:49:14,969 --> 00:49:15,189
Speaker 1: Yeah.

975
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:23,629
Speaker 2: All right. Then there's piracy and murder. These just for

976
00:49:23,650 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: the time would make a little more sense. Like Conan

977
00:49:28,219 --> 00:49:33,340
Speaker 2: Doyle said that there was an ex-slave bent on revenge

978
00:49:33,940 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: who just wanted to kill white people. And that was

979
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,500
Speaker 2: in his story. So that clearly ramped things up. There

980
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,140
Speaker 2: was a movie in the 30s with Bela Lugosi that

981
00:49:43,180 --> 00:49:46,310
Speaker 2: he was one of the crew members was a murderous sailor.

982
00:49:47,110 --> 00:49:47,670
Speaker 3: With a hook.

983
00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:49,029
Speaker 2: Oh, really?

984
00:49:49,050 --> 00:49:50,190
Speaker 3: All right.

985
00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:54,609
Speaker 2: Well, they always had hooks. Captain Briggs was overcome with

986
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:59,219
Speaker 2: religious mania, killed everyone on board, including his family, then

987
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: killed himself. Then there was the mutiny theory that everyone

988
00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: got into this alcohol that you couldn't even drink.

989
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,969
Speaker 3: No, you would die like almost immediately.

990
00:50:08,219 --> 00:50:12,980
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess just. got the drunken murderers, the drunken

991
00:50:13,020 --> 00:50:15,980
Speaker 2: murder rampage. You know what happens when you drink a little,

992
00:50:16,060 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 2: you just want to kill.

993
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 3: Right. Exactly. Well, do you remember, um, I guess in

994
00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:24,210
Speaker 3: our prohibition episode, it was shown years on that the

995
00:50:24,370 --> 00:50:29,030
Speaker 3: U S government had poisoned the, the bootleg hooch supply

996
00:50:29,050 --> 00:50:31,930
Speaker 3: with denatured alcohol and people died and went blind from it.

997
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:34,710
Speaker 3: This is this stuff. Yeah. That's what they put into

998
00:50:34,750 --> 00:50:35,299
Speaker 3: the supply.

999
00:50:35,660 --> 00:50:38,899
Speaker 2: Well, and then there's the, just the, kind of mundane

1000
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:42,700
Speaker 2: pirate piratry, like, hey, this was where there were North

1001
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:46,470
Speaker 2: African pirates. And that's probably what happened is they were

1002
00:50:46,489 --> 00:50:49,550
Speaker 2: it was just a regular run of the mill pirate operation.

1003
00:50:49,969 --> 00:50:52,629
Speaker 3: Yeah. But whether it's like any kind of violence, like

1004
00:50:53,230 --> 00:50:56,430
Speaker 3: a religious fervor or pirates or something like that, there

1005
00:50:56,469 --> 00:51:00,460
Speaker 3: was not any sign of struggle. Remember, and the one

1006
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: lifeboat was missing. So it would seem that if they

1007
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,500
Speaker 3: got off the ship, they probably got off willingly rather

1008
00:51:09,540 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 3: than there having been some sort of violence.

1009
00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:16,700
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then also the two brothers, there were a

1010
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:19,450
Speaker 2: couple of brothers who were to the crew members, Volkert

1011
00:51:19,610 --> 00:51:23,469
Speaker 2: and Boy Lorenzen, and they were suspects for a little

1012
00:51:23,489 --> 00:51:28,509
Speaker 2: while because none of their personal possessions were found. Apparently

1013
00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:32,379
Speaker 2: there was no motive whatsoever, and A descendant of them said,

1014
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,779
Speaker 2: you know, they had lost all their gear in a

1015
00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:38,430
Speaker 2: previous shipwreck. So just none of that makes any sense.

1016
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:39,180
Speaker 2: They were good guys.

1017
00:51:39,690 --> 00:51:44,390
Speaker 3: Right. So probably was not murder, right? Probably not. Plus

1018
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:48,290
Speaker 3: also the idea that the crew had come across another ship,

1019
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:52,190
Speaker 3: pirated it, turned pirate all of a sudden, and were

1020
00:51:52,250 --> 00:51:55,649
Speaker 3: led by Briggs. The idea that, and then just took

1021
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:58,549
Speaker 3: this other ship and set sail to start a new

1022
00:51:58,590 --> 00:52:02,610
Speaker 3: life elsewhere. Yeah. It doesn't make much sense on its face,

1023
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,750
Speaker 3: but even if you dig down just one more degree

1024
00:52:05,989 --> 00:52:08,410
Speaker 3: and remember that they left their son Arthur behind, who

1025
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:11,910
Speaker 3: became an orphan on the day that the Dei Gratia

1026
00:52:12,030 --> 00:52:17,609
Speaker 3: found the Mary Celeste, it lends even less credence to that.

1027
00:52:17,770 --> 00:52:19,130
Speaker 2: Unless they didn't like Arthur.

1028
00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:21,950
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, he was fairly dim-witted.

1029
00:52:22,270 --> 00:52:23,030
Speaker 2: They left him behind.

1030
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:25,410
Speaker 3: Not a very likable kid. He had a real temper

1031
00:52:25,530 --> 00:52:28,810
Speaker 3: for no good reason. Didn't like cake. Who doesn't like cake?

1032
00:52:29,050 --> 00:52:34,739
Speaker 3: I know. So, the murder, piracy, or lastly, so remember

1033
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:41,020
Speaker 3: the Captain Morehouse. Yeah. Dined with Captain Briggs and his

1034
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,629
Speaker 3: wife the night before they headed out. Yeah. And then

1035
00:52:44,830 --> 00:52:47,370
Speaker 3: Captain Morehouse was the one who found the ship and

1036
00:52:47,410 --> 00:52:50,530
Speaker 3: claimed salvage rights to it. The idea that it was fraud,

1037
00:52:51,050 --> 00:52:54,770
Speaker 3: maybe a fraudulent scheme cooked up, that one's really dismissed too. Again,

1038
00:52:54,930 --> 00:52:56,580
Speaker 3: by the presence of Arthur. Right.

1039
00:52:57,060 --> 00:52:57,860
Speaker 2: Arthur ruined everything.

1040
00:52:58,420 --> 00:53:03,989
Speaker 3: So, you can dismiss... Murder, piracy, or fraud, typically. Yes.

1041
00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:04,950
Speaker 3: What about paranormal?

1042
00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:06,890
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and dismiss that, too.

1043
00:53:07,130 --> 00:53:07,470
Speaker 3: Okay.

1044
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:11,690
Speaker 2: Because I don't think that the Bermuda Triangle ate them,

1045
00:53:12,010 --> 00:53:16,489
Speaker 2: or that aliens... It's aliens, man. I don't think that happened.

1046
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big one.

1047
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:21,259
Speaker 2: So let's just go ahead and not even talk about

1048
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:22,660
Speaker 2: that too much, because that's dumb.

1049
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: So that Frederick Solly Flood's obsession with this whole thing

1050
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:33,330
Speaker 3: at the time, contemporarily... um doc presented like the documented

1051
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:35,989
Speaker 3: evidence we have concerning the case so it's good that

1052
00:53:36,030 --> 00:53:38,049
Speaker 3: he he did this that he was gripped by this

1053
00:53:38,310 --> 00:53:42,629
Speaker 3: this paranoia the suspicion right yeah um because we do

1054
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 3: know some facts about the thing we know that like

1055
00:53:45,010 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 3: like we said the ship was found with just three

1056
00:53:48,739 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: three sails up and the rest were either blown down

1057
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: or unfurled the lifeboat was missing there was um a

1058
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: rope dangling over the the side from the back of

1059
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:03,220
Speaker 3: the ship into the water Yeah. Nine of the 1701

1060
00:54:03,219 --> 00:54:07,299
Speaker 3: casks were intact, but were actually empty. Yeah. And on

1061
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,980
Speaker 3: closer inspection, they were made of red oak, which is

1062
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 3: more porous than white oak, which the other 1701 barrels

1063
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,910
Speaker 3: were made of and were intact and still full. So

1064
00:54:18,930 --> 00:54:24,570
Speaker 3: we know these things about this ship that are actually correct.

1065
00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:28,180
Speaker 3: And they've been put together to kind of create this

1066
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 3: explanation that, again, isn't definitive, doesn't prove it once and

1067
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: for all what happened. That'll never happen now, which I love.

1068
00:54:37,060 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: But there's a pretty good explanation. I think that we

1069
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: both kind of agree is the likeliest explanation.

1070
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,870
Speaker 2: Yeah, so those casks that leaked but did not explode

1071
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:51,450
Speaker 2: or anything, there could have been a smell. There could

1072
00:54:51,489 --> 00:54:55,609
Speaker 2: have been a sound. There could have been Just some

1073
00:54:55,690 --> 00:54:59,130
Speaker 2: indication that maybe this ship is about to blow up

1074
00:54:59,350 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: or we are in danger. They had taken on a

1075
00:55:02,420 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 2: little water that might have played into it. But what

1076
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: really everyone thinks played into it is, like we said

1077
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:09,620
Speaker 2: at the beginning, was that he had his wife and

1078
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,980
Speaker 2: toddler aboard. So he was taking no chances, which would

1079
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,930
Speaker 2: thoroughly explain why they got off of that boat really

1080
00:55:17,989 --> 00:55:21,650
Speaker 2: quickly at the very first signs that something could be wrong.

1081
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:25,990
Speaker 3: Right. So those nine red oak barrels that were empty

1082
00:55:26,550 --> 00:55:30,810
Speaker 3: had 300 gallons of denatured, highly flammable alcohol in them.

1083
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:31,870
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have smelled.

1084
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:34,170
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have smelled. It could have created a

1085
00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 3: fireball explosion. It could have blown the hatches off. It

1086
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 3: could have done a lot of things that would have

1087
00:55:41,340 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: made a reasonable person, especially one that's also concerned for

1088
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 3: the life of his wife and child, say, the likeliest

1089
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: thing we should do here, the most reasonable thing we

1090
00:55:50,260 --> 00:55:52,950
Speaker 3: should do here is get off of this ship. So

1091
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:56,330
Speaker 3: considering that there was this alcohol aboard, some of it

1092
00:55:56,350 --> 00:56:01,230
Speaker 3: was missing, and that the lifeboat was gone, and that

1093
00:56:01,270 --> 00:56:04,230
Speaker 3: the logbook showed that they were within sight of land

1094
00:56:05,170 --> 00:56:09,690
Speaker 3: the last time they'd made any kind of entry, supports

1095
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:12,710
Speaker 3: the idea that they had all gotten into the lifeboat

1096
00:56:12,790 --> 00:56:19,049
Speaker 3: willingly because probably that alcohol and then the water that

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Speaker 3: the ship had taken on.

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00:56:20,550 --> 00:56:23,470
Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently in 2006 there was a study at

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00:56:23,650 --> 00:56:27,469
Speaker 2: University College of London where they tried to reproduce what

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00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:32,049
Speaker 2: that explosion might have looked like and sounded like. And

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00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:34,730
Speaker 2: they did it with butane. So I guess, is that

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00:56:34,810 --> 00:56:35,730
Speaker 2: about the same thing?

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00:56:36,110 --> 00:56:39,299
Speaker 3: I don't know why they used butane instead of alcohol vapors.

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00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 3: I have no idea why, but they feel like it

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00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:42,820
Speaker 3: was pretty definitive.

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00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so basically it caused a big brilliant flame

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00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: and made a sound. But because it was this vapor,

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00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,940
Speaker 2: there was no... It didn't burn everything up. It didn't

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00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 2: scorch anything. There was no soot. There was no evidence.

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00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:57,580
Speaker 2: So if this would have happened on board, this guy's

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00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: got his wife and his toddler, that would have been

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00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,690
Speaker 2: enough to create a panic. And that's where my money

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00:57:02,730 --> 00:57:03,250
Speaker 2: is for sure.

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00:57:03,590 --> 00:57:07,330
Speaker 3: For sure. And plus also, I mean, the explosion of

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00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:10,029
Speaker 3: the exploding alcohol theory had been around for a while,

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00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:12,730
Speaker 3: but it had been dismissed because they were like, well,

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00:57:12,770 --> 00:57:15,779
Speaker 3: it would have left some evidence. But this study showed that, no,

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00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: it could have actually blown up. scared the heck out

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00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,020
Speaker 3: of these people and gotten them off this boat into

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00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: the lifeboat, which they would have had connected to this ship,

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00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,410
Speaker 3: the Mary Celeste, by this 400 foot or 400 yards.

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00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:33,970
Speaker 3: It was a very long rope, inch thick rope called

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00:57:34,030 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: a halyard. And they had connected the lifeboat to it.

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00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:41,170
Speaker 3: And what they supposed happened was that they kept a

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00:57:41,250 --> 00:57:44,530
Speaker 3: few of the sails down. Some of them still furled.

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00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,220
Speaker 3: to let the ship keep going but at a slow

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00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:51,010
Speaker 3: pace because they were going to have to ride behind

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00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:54,650
Speaker 3: it for an indefinite period of time. And the wind

1129
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:58,510
Speaker 3: caught it just right, sped the ship up, snapped the line,

1130
00:57:59,090 --> 00:58:02,430
Speaker 3: and then within an hour, the lifeboat was adrift with

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Speaker 3: the Mary Celeste out of sight.

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00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:06,180
Speaker 2: So is the idea that they got in the boat

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00:58:07,820 --> 00:58:10,300
Speaker 2: with the rope attached to just say, hey, let's get

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00:58:10,340 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: away from it and see what happens here?

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: Okay, and then it just starts going, the rope is gone,

1137
00:58:16,940 --> 00:58:18,740
Speaker 2: and then they're like, well, can't catch it now.

1138
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 3: Right, and they would have been left adrift at sea

1139
00:58:24,020 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 3: to die, which is what everybody thinks happened.

1140
00:58:26,740 --> 00:58:28,620
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess at the time there would be,

1141
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 2: unless it got really lucky or unlucky and the rowboat

1142
00:58:35,020 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: eventually washed ashore somewhere, there would just be no trace, right?

1143
00:58:40,310 --> 00:58:40,550
Speaker 3: Yes.

1144
00:58:40,990 --> 00:58:41,990
Speaker 2: They just were fish food.

1145
00:58:42,690 --> 00:58:44,770
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if they're out in the Atlantic, especially

1146
00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 3: if they just... Six miles away from an island that's

1147
00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere is pretty middle of nowhere.

1148
00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 3: So if you're in a small boat, it'd be very

1149
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: easy to vanish without a trace forever.

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00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,780
Speaker 2: Man, I bet that story is the sad one, is

1151
00:59:01,180 --> 00:59:02,490
Speaker 2: what those final days were like.

1152
00:59:02,830 --> 00:59:03,130
Speaker 3: Yes.

1153
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:04,669
Speaker 2: That kid, man.

1154
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:04,850
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1155
00:59:06,340 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: Heartbreaking.

1156
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:11,220
Speaker 3: So that's the story of the Mary Celeste.

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00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: Good job.

1158
00:59:12,740 --> 00:59:13,860
Speaker 3: Good job, you, Chuck.

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00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:15,540
Speaker 2: I feel like we kicked the rest off the sword

1160
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:15,980
Speaker 2: on this one.

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00:59:17,340 --> 00:59:19,030
Speaker 3: If you want to know more about the Mary Celeste,

1162
00:59:19,110 --> 00:59:22,110
Speaker 3: there is plenty more to dig into. This is a

1163
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:24,530
Speaker 3: nice rabbit hole to jump down if you want to

1164
00:59:24,610 --> 00:59:27,990
Speaker 3: do that kind of thing. Just go search Google. Say, no, Google,

1165
00:59:28,090 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 3: I mean Mary Celeste. And start off. You'll have fun.

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00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: That's right.

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00:59:32,780 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: And in the meantime, it's time for Listener Mail.

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00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:41,070
Speaker 2: I'm going to call this local listener. Hey, guys. My

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01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,140
Speaker 2: Or for time. I have still not declared a major,

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01:01:07,470 --> 01:01:09,360
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01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,160
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