Speaker 1: Did anybody tell you anything about me coming into this
Speaker 1: room at all?
Speaker 2: The only text I received was like five minutes before,
Speaker 2: did you know where you were coming?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, So you just stringed, you just follow feet, and
Speaker 1: you came here and you didn't know what you're walking into.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of didn't know.
Speaker 2: I knew you were affiliate with sports and the Dancing
Speaker 2: with the Stars, and that was kind of it.
Speaker 1: Our guest today is John Foreman and the lead singer
Speaker 1: of Switchfoot.
Speaker 3: I'm a big switch Foot fan.
Speaker 1: We were meant to live for so much more that
Speaker 1: one and I dare you to move.
Speaker 3: I sing them perfectly too.
Speaker 1: He's a Grammy winning songwriter and the voice behind some
Speaker 1: of the most well known songs and alternative rock. As
Speaker 1: the lead singer of Switchfoot, he has led the band
Speaker 1: through ten million albums sold crazy nearly three decades of touring,
Speaker 1: and after five years, the band is back with their
Speaker 1: fourteenth studio album, Forever Now, that comes out June twenty sixth.
Speaker 1: I think you're going to love it if you like Switchfoot,
Speaker 1: which I do. They got a brand new single, wake
Speaker 1: Up Mister Crow. They're going on tour and this is
Speaker 1: just a fun conversation about traveling and I know nothing
Speaker 1: about surfing, surfing and music. So here he is John Foreman,
Speaker 1: the lead singer of Switchfoot. John Good to see you, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been a fan for a long time. I was
Speaker 1: coming in and I left my radio show and I
Speaker 1: was coming over and I was with my wife and
Speaker 1: I said, Hey, do you know Switchfoot? And she said yeah,
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of switch Foot songs. And
Speaker 1: she's like eleven years younger than I am, eleven and
Speaker 1: a half or so. And I said, what do you
Speaker 1: know and she said Walk to Remember. And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I think you're talking about the wrong wrong band, And she'
Speaker 1: was like, no you And I said, I don't know you,
Speaker 1: and so we listened to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so our switch foots are different.
Speaker 1: My wife'switch Foot and my switch Foot are completely different.
Speaker 3: Because that's where she was.
Speaker 1: She knows, you know, she's probably seven songs deep on
Speaker 1: you guys, which is significant for any band. And I
Speaker 1: was I didn't even know you guys were in the
Speaker 1: movie A Walk I don't think I've ever seen a.
Speaker 3: Walk to Remember. Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: It is funny because we we had a ton of
Speaker 2: songs in that movie, and yet that movie feels like
Speaker 2: it represents a totally different cross section than say, the
Speaker 2: songs we played you know two nights ago in Jersey,
Speaker 2: like the songs that we would I don't. We haven't
Speaker 2: played you Live in a long time. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: still love those songs as well. It's feel like a
Speaker 2: different band almost.
Speaker 1: Is there a type of person that knows you for
Speaker 1: a different thing all?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the funny thing. So I'm in this
Speaker 2: other band, fiction Family that nobody knows about, with Sean
Speaker 2: Walkins from Nickel Creek and a couple other guys and
Speaker 2: this guy's I'm singing in switch Foot or I'm singing
Speaker 2: a solo show and this guy comes up to me
Speaker 2: and he's like, are you in a band? And like
Speaker 2: I think I know where it's going, you know. He's like,
Speaker 2: fiction Family, right.
Speaker 3: You know, And I'm like, yeah, that's me, you got me.
Speaker 1: It's funny how even with the people that will come
Speaker 1: up to me, they'll know me. I can tell by
Speaker 1: their age and their age, their age and their sex
Speaker 1: what they know me from. Right, Like if it's a
Speaker 1: dude and he's in his forties and fifties, he probably
Speaker 1: listens to like my NFL show. If it's an old
Speaker 1: lady she saw men dancing with the Stars, if it's
Speaker 1: like a family American, like, I can tell when they're
Speaker 1: coming up what they know me from. And I just
Speaker 1: thought it was wild because I've been again, I've been
Speaker 1: a fan of you guys forever. I did not know
Speaker 1: you were in the movie. And my wife knows you
Speaker 1: just from that, and she's like, I'm a massive fan
Speaker 1: because of that.
Speaker 3: That's fun.
Speaker 2: My daughter probably, yeah, she would know you from Dancing
Speaker 2: with the Stars.
Speaker 3: She would apologize to her for that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: For me, yeah, most people that didn't know me before
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars didn't really enjoy me on Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars.
Speaker 3: That takes some khone though. Man.
Speaker 1: My wife's all was like, you could do that, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I wouldn't. I don't think I ever
Speaker 1: would they.
Speaker 3: Ever ask you to do it?
Speaker 1: I if they have, I've blocked it out. I don't think. I,
Speaker 1: Like I said, that takes something special and I don't
Speaker 1: know that I have it, So hats off. I have
Speaker 1: a friend that was at a festival and I think
Speaker 1: it was in like West Texas two thousand and two.
Speaker 1: Or two thousand and three and you guys were playing
Speaker 1: a five o'clock slot and I think it was after
Speaker 1: Meant to Live a hit MTV, and he told me
Speaker 1: that there were like twenty thousand people there for a
Speaker 1: five o'clock slot because that song had popped so hard because.
Speaker 3: It had landed on MTV. Does that sound familiar to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a wild time. The whole experience of
Speaker 2: that was surreal on a lot of levels because you
Speaker 2: go from playing for twenty people that could kind of
Speaker 2: care less, you know, to playing for a lot more
Speaker 2: than that, and almost overnight, it felt like there.
Speaker 3: Was a big shift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a strange period because that was our
Speaker 2: fourth record and we made it with the attitude that,
Speaker 2: you know, let's make one last record and then we'll
Speaker 2: break up and get real jobs.
Speaker 3: No way.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was like that was the mindset, let's
Speaker 2: just give it all we have. And and we were
Speaker 2: you know, independent at the time, and we recorded this
Speaker 2: record up in La in a week and you know
Speaker 2: had of course, you have high hopes you want to get.
Speaker 3: It out there.
Speaker 1: But right before the record came out, we got dropped
Speaker 1: by Sony Records, And so I mean everything.
Speaker 3: If you're thinking through your life at.
Speaker 2: The age of you know, twenty three or so, you're
Speaker 2: not thinking, oh, this is where everything turns around.
Speaker 3: You're thinking, Okay, well that's cool. That was a good run.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to college and yeah. So that was
Speaker 2: that was my experience of that season.
Speaker 1: The first three records that you put out, were you
Speaker 1: guys just grinding in a van.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we would.
Speaker 2: So there was this thing in the nineties and early
Speaker 2: two thousands called cred and if like, you wanted to
Speaker 2: get cred and the only way you could get cred
Speaker 2: was by doing it the hard way. So it was
Speaker 2: not seen as some sort of flaw. It was seen
Speaker 2: as whoa, those guys they tour in a minivan and
Speaker 2: they eat ramen, and that's so cool.
Speaker 3: They do that for their art.
Speaker 2: I don't know that nowadays it's cool, but that's the
Speaker 2: way we saw it.
Speaker 3: So we would pack all our stuff.
Speaker 2: In the minivan, and you know, we drive across the
Speaker 2: country a lot of times. It was a rental, rented
Speaker 2: minivan and we're you know, we're a three piece at
Speaker 2: the time, and we turned the car in with thousands
Speaker 2: of miles at the end of the tour. The guy
Speaker 2: like checking out in is like this has to be
Speaker 2: a mistake. You guys put two thousand miles on this thing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was that was the early days when
Speaker 3: you started.
Speaker 1: Were you just playing like in your town like was
Speaker 1: or was the idea Let's just start booking shows immediately.
Speaker 2: So the dream when I was in high school, the
Speaker 2: dream was to break even on an album that we
Speaker 2: paid to record. So I spent you know, took all
Speaker 2: my bus boy money from working at the restaurant and
Speaker 2: spent it all on the studio and I did the math.
Speaker 2: We needed to sell like two hundred and thirty copies
Speaker 2: of this album and then we break even. And so
Speaker 2: we had our sites real high. We wanted to sell
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty copies and when we did it,
Speaker 2: that was success.
Speaker 3: You know, we did.
Speaker 2: You know, I think my brother and I were pretty resourceful.
Speaker 2: We love the hustle, and it felt like we were
Speaker 2: kind of cheating the system that we were actually breaking
Speaker 2: even with rock and roll.
Speaker 3: But we had no thought.
Speaker 2: Of thinking like, oh this could actually you could get
Speaker 2: a mortgage on a house with this kind of thing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It was like, no, this is you have to graduate college,
Speaker 3: you can get a real job, so you.
Speaker 1: Would record your albums at a small studio in California.
Speaker 3: We did the first few there.
Speaker 2: The first switch Foot record, we were actually recorded here
Speaker 2: in Nashville. So what were you before Switchway? We were
Speaker 2: a band called et cetera, Were you etc?
Speaker 3: Or just yeah, yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1: And how many of those guys were the guys that
Speaker 1: ended up being a switchlay My brother, myself and a
Speaker 1: drummer who he left to go back to the East Coast.
Speaker 2: And our drummer, now Chad, said we said, hey, you
Speaker 2: should join our band, and he was like, well, let's
Speaker 2: start a new one. And so that's that's why the
Speaker 2: name changed. Well, yeah, we switched the switch names. We
Speaker 2: had a another name in between, called chin Up, and
Speaker 2: we thought that that was too hard to say, and
Speaker 2: somehow switchfoot is easier, which it's not. I had a
Speaker 2: lot of speech therapy as a kid, and I don't
Speaker 2: know why we picked a Dave's switch Foot. It's it's yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's that's that's what we thought was a better idea.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to serf. I'm from Arkansas. Water
Speaker 1: makes me uncomfortable still, so I'm not a water okay,
Speaker 1: salt or fresh either both land land okay, yeah. Way,
Speaker 1: generally speaking, do you like being near the water, not
Speaker 1: even like sitting at a lake or Okay? If if
Speaker 1: I am, I need to be doing something. I need
Speaker 1: to be doing some kind of activity. I just never
Speaker 1: grew up on water. And my wife loves the beach.
Speaker 1: Most people love the beach. Yeah, I just at this
Speaker 1: point in my life, I just like some good WiFi.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know.
Speaker 1: What about Okay, what about the mountain or like a
Speaker 1: field or the streams or or any of that.
Speaker 3: Do anything.
Speaker 1: I've been in some cool places. Yeah, if you say what,
Speaker 1: let's go back and forth. Coolest places we've ever been,
Speaker 1: things we've seen to be a fun exercise. I remember
Speaker 1: the first time I saw the Grand Canyon. I was
Speaker 1: blown away. I could not believe how grand it actually was.
Speaker 1: One of those things that lives up to the name, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: very few do. And I remember seeing the Grand Canyon
Speaker 1: and I had a show on that GEO where I
Speaker 1: had to go and clean the skybridge underneath that clear
Speaker 1: thing people stand on, and so I'm on a single.
Speaker 1: It sucked because I hate it's crazy suck. It was
Speaker 1: the worst thing ever, but you're you were you clean
Speaker 1: that thing from underneath on a road.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Okay, now I've got some watching material.
Speaker 3: I hated.
Speaker 1: It was the first episode, and you knew I didn't
Speaker 1: die because there were like eight episodes.
Speaker 3: If they put it on Colley.
Speaker 1: The Grand Canyon was awesome, and I used that word
Speaker 1: like it was meant it was awesome. I could not
Speaker 1: believe it. I'd never seen anything physically like that before.
Speaker 1: So that's going to be in my draft. We'll do
Speaker 1: three each. Grand Canyon number one.
Speaker 3: Pick you're up.
Speaker 2: Okay, this one holds a special place in my heart.
Speaker 2: There's this place called Uluwatu in Bali, and it's a
Speaker 2: surfing spot that is legendary and been there many times,
Speaker 2: and it is stunning. I mean, the secrets out on it.
Speaker 2: It's no longer like this hidden thing. I think Richard
Speaker 2: Branson and a bunch of people have houses Oprah or
Speaker 2: whoever on the top of it. But it's like this
Speaker 2: four hundred foot cliff that just goes straight.
Speaker 3: Down into the water. And then the.
Speaker 2: Entire that entire coast is exposed to huge Indian Ocean
Speaker 2: monsoon season swells, and so some of the best waves.
Speaker 2: There's this cave that you walk through to.
Speaker 3: Get to the ocean.
Speaker 2: So you go down these stairs that are connected only
Speaker 2: at the bottom and the top, and there's monkeys that
Speaker 2: live in the caves, and then you paddle out through
Speaker 2: the cave into the ocean and it's just this living
Speaker 2: reef and these world class waves firing off in front
Speaker 2: of you. So that's that's a special place in my heart.
Speaker 1: Did you know I'm assuming the laura of it before
Speaker 1: you got there and the when you got there.
Speaker 3: Did it live up to it even though you've heard
Speaker 3: about it? Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: Being a surfer, it's funny because surfing it's a very
Speaker 2: egalitarian sport where if you get to the spot and
Speaker 2: you want to paddle out.
Speaker 3: Go for it.
Speaker 2: It's not like the super Bowl where you have to
Speaker 2: get drafted and make your way there, you know, like
Speaker 2: there's no one checking credentials or anything like that. But
Speaker 2: every you know, I'd say probably ninety percent of the
Speaker 2: surfers around the world would know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, it absolutely lived up to the hype.
Speaker 1: My number two is going to be because I had
Speaker 1: seen it on television my whole life and growing up
Speaker 1: I lived in Troilither Park, so I never really thought
Speaker 1: i'd get to leave the state, much less the country,
Speaker 1: and it really wasn't that big. But just seeing the
Speaker 1: Eiffel Tower in person was the coolest thing to me
Speaker 1: because it was like I was getting to experience things farther.
Speaker 3: Away than I ever thought I would get.
Speaker 1: To experience things. Yeah, so it meant that to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so to because I'm assuming you've been to Paris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I love the seventh or twice now we love it,
Speaker 1: like yeah, and we have my wife and I have
Speaker 1: great memories of being there. And I remember the first
Speaker 1: time we were driving in we weren't driving, somebody was
Speaker 1: driving us and seeing like the top of it, and
Speaker 1: you get and I just had this like overwhelming feeling of.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not I don't have to be that kid anymore.
Speaker 1: Wow, because I'm getting to see things I never thought
Speaker 1: I would get to see and something I only thought
Speaker 1: that felt fictional.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it almost.
Speaker 2: Those are those moments where it feels like it's almost
Speaker 2: like a mythical innerplay where you're like, oh, yeah, I've
Speaker 2: read Harry Potter and then oh no, actually, oh it's real,
Speaker 2: you know, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that to me because the meaning to it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put that as my number two. Seeing the Eiffel
Speaker 1: Tower and then you get to basically go up to it.
Speaker 1: We didn't go up in it, but you know, we
Speaker 1: have a big picture in our house of us in
Speaker 1: front of it. That means more to me than just
Speaker 1: that old structure behind us. To me, it's something I
Speaker 1: never thought I would get to see in person. Getting
Speaker 1: to see it in person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. Okay.
Speaker 2: So my number two, I think the thing, so this
Speaker 2: is going to be more of just a feeling that
Speaker 2: I have in an entire country.
Speaker 3: So when I'm in India. We've been in India.
Speaker 2: Several times, and there's just this magnificent claustrophobic explosion of
Speaker 2: color and smell and people and and taste and everything
Speaker 2: is there. It feels otherworldly where you think to yourself, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've arrived on some sort of Star Wars planet and
Speaker 2: this is this is the way this planet behaves, because
Speaker 2: there's no way this is Is this really Earth?
Speaker 3: You know? So safe to you there? I don't.
Speaker 2: Well, I've found that in most cultures, the it's the
Speaker 2: brackish water. If we're going to go with a salt
Speaker 2: saltwater freshwater analogy. That is, the feels like the places
Speaker 2: that are dangerous, so like, for example, the border between
Speaker 2: Mexico and the US. I never feel safe near the border,
Speaker 2: but the further south you get into Mexico, the more
Speaker 2: safe you feel. I feel the same thing in India,
Speaker 2: like the further you get away from like the tourist spots,
Speaker 2: the more you just feel like, oh, I can roll,
Speaker 2: but I did. I never felt like I was letting
Speaker 2: my guard down because it's such an abrasive affront on
Speaker 2: every one of your senses all at once.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean my list, but when I went to Haiti,
Speaker 1: I kind of felt that way. Yeah, Like the further
Speaker 1: I got out of town, yes, my heart could rest
Speaker 1: a little. My resting heart rate actually fell a bit
Speaker 1: because in town there's people, there's gun people are holding guns,
Speaker 1: there's but once you get out, I feel like everybody
Speaker 1: was a little more chill, like that everybody was a
Speaker 1: condensed Yes, So I don't totally relate. India's always been
Speaker 1: something that I guess have friends that have been And
Speaker 1: one of my friends went landed in the airport.
Speaker 3: It was like, I'm not doing it came home.
Speaker 2: I get that it's a very visceral, uh affronting feeling
Speaker 2: where you're you're completely engulfed in humans and not an
Speaker 2: always pleasant way, you know, I think. But I do
Speaker 2: think maybe being around crowds all the time at festivals
Speaker 2: or whatever, maybe that helps a little bit with that
Speaker 2: kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, you got to go one more. Third one might
Speaker 1: are going to be because of the way they made
Speaker 1: me feel. Okay, I went to Japan, and this was
Speaker 1: when I felt like, as different as everybody is, we're
Speaker 1: all the same. Yeah. I went all the way around
Speaker 1: the freaking world. Yeah, and I would see families doing
Speaker 1: family things. Yeah, people solo doing solo people things, Dad's
Speaker 1: religious everything that felt like it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: so different from what we're taught, but it was just
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like there are universal languages, yeah, that we all share,
Speaker 1: regardless of our cultures that we grew up in and
Speaker 1: that were so bound to each other by them, even
Speaker 1: if we constantly fight it or were taught were not
Speaker 1: the same. Going to Japan made me feel like, man,
Speaker 1: maybe I should listen to the news so much. Like
Speaker 1: that's the feeling I got there because I felt like
Speaker 1: I was exactly like them. Wow, when my whole life
Speaker 1: I had been told that we're from different culture, so
Speaker 1: we're so different. They use chopsticks, we use fox were
Speaker 1: they're crazy. But in reality, what I learned by like
Speaker 1: being there was God damn man, we're all the same,
Speaker 1: just chasing the same thing, same dreams, same core values.
Speaker 1: And that is how I felt about just being in
Speaker 1: Japan in general, because it felt so foreign, because it
Speaker 1: looked so different and it was so far, and there
Speaker 1: were like two versions of it. There was like the
Speaker 1: Japan that was like super chill, and there's like Space
Speaker 1: Age Japan, and I was like, this is just like
Speaker 1: the Jetson's crazy and there's Japanese music playing over and
Speaker 1: had no idea, and I was learning, trying to say
Speaker 1: the words like nisi wa and I was you know,
Speaker 1: I got and I was saying the things. I was
Speaker 1: trying as hard as I could, and they were so
Speaker 1: appreciative that I was trying. And I remember just having
Speaker 1: like a sense of man, Earth's kind of cool, like
Speaker 1: I shouldn't fall into the traps that the divide.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: I love that, And I do think that travel is
Speaker 2: probably the best education, you know. And yeah, I have
Speaker 2: a friend from Taiwan who grew up here, moved there,
Speaker 2: super smart guy, like double major math in computer science
Speaker 2: in three years, and he's out to Taiwan and then.
Speaker 3: And he comes and visits and.
Speaker 2: He comes back to America and he's like, man, I thought, like,
Speaker 2: he's like the same thing.
Speaker 3: He's like.
Speaker 2: I was reading the news and I was like, I
Speaker 2: thought America was blowing up or something, I you know,
Speaker 2: But then I realized I talk to people back home
Speaker 2: in America, and I'm like, I don't know, Everything's fine.
Speaker 3: People are people, and.
Speaker 2: They still love each other, and they still love their family,
Speaker 2: and they still are trying their best. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: do think maybe the the thing that sells the news
Speaker 2: often is the scandalous things in the in the margins,
Speaker 2: and and for the most part, you know, people are
Speaker 2: generally aiming for the right thing, you know.
Speaker 3: So that's a that's a good point.
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Speaker 3: All right, hit me with your three, Okay, number three.
Speaker 1: I got so distracted by the story I wentn't even
Speaker 1: thinking about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, So if we're gonna go with number three.
Speaker 2: I had the privilege of going to Italy with my
Speaker 2: wife and it was a trip that had no agenda,
Speaker 2: and it was a very you know, pre kids, and
Speaker 2: I will never forget the taste. You know, you talk
Speaker 2: about the feeling that you had. I'll never forget the tastes.
Speaker 3: It was. We just kind of want We had no plan.
Speaker 3: We just get an airbnb.
Speaker 2: This is you know, back in the day, and every
Speaker 2: day was just kind of a new adventure. And it
Speaker 2: felt like I was. I was because of the way
Speaker 2: we did it. So on kind of a micro level,
Speaker 2: it was no, there's no we're going to do this
Speaker 2: and this and this. I felt like we kind of
Speaker 2: sunk down to the level of what it might have
Speaker 2: been like on foot. You know, we didn't have a car.
Speaker 2: We're just walking from from place to place. That'd probably
Speaker 2: be my my third most memorable place on the planet.
Speaker 1: We went to Italy and I started just going places because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I never went anywhere, and then I
Speaker 1: had made money and I was single forever, so I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a do crap and I started chasing
Speaker 1: things from television. Yeah, like I only went to Japan
Speaker 1: because Jesse and the Rippers from Full House played there.
Speaker 3: Of course, right, why wouldn't you. I only went to
Speaker 3: Hawaii because of the Ready Bunch.
Speaker 1: I only went to London because of friends like and
Speaker 1: I went a lot of these places by myself. Even Wow,
Speaker 1: that's great, because I was just like, I want to
Speaker 1: see stuff. And when I met my wife, that's when
Speaker 1: I actually started traveling with somebody. And we've been married
Speaker 1: almost five years now, and we went to Italy. We've
Speaker 1: gone twice now, but I would hear people talk.
Speaker 3: About that and go, you can eat whatever you want.
Speaker 3: You don't even gain weight, And I was like, urban legend,
Speaker 3: not real fake.
Speaker 1: Then we went, you can eat whatever you want because
Speaker 1: there are no preservatives. They're not like us we're packaging
Speaker 1: U ding doll for seven months before we eat them.
Speaker 3: They make their stuff to be eat right then.
Speaker 1: And you can eat all the stuff here that you
Speaker 1: can't eat because it'll sit in you forever. And it's
Speaker 1: I compared it to like Chinese food. Here you go,
Speaker 1: you get stuffed on Chinese food. Two hours later you're like,
Speaker 1: where did it go? That's how like the thick the
Speaker 1: breads were in Italy, And I was like this is
Speaker 1: a everybody was right.
Speaker 3: Yes, Italy was awesome. Yeah, Italy is amazing.
Speaker 1: We did a cooking class in someone's house, Like we
Speaker 1: totally embraced it.
Speaker 3: I'm not an embracer.
Speaker 1: My wife is embraces okay, And she said we should
Speaker 1: really experience this, like let's not go to because we
Speaker 1: we did Florence, which is freaking crazy because I wanted
Speaker 1: to see art, like I like the stuff. It's like
Speaker 1: the water, Like I don't like the water for the
Speaker 1: sake of the water. I don't want to go to
Speaker 1: the town for the sake of the town, Like I
Speaker 1: want to do stuff. Yes, yeah, yeah, So we're like,
Speaker 1: my mom has the list?
Speaker 3: Do you have the list? Very much like things I
Speaker 3: want to do. We got to check them off.
Speaker 1: So, you know, it's super funny since I used to
Speaker 1: be the kid who's like, mom, quit it, like we're here,
Speaker 1: we're in Hawaii, Like why do we have to have
Speaker 1: a list?
Speaker 2: You know, it's just unfold and see what happens. And
Speaker 2: now my wife is.
Speaker 1: So far that way that I freaking have a list
Speaker 1: because she's you know, I'm like, oh my, somebody's got
Speaker 1: to be at home, dude, I have to be the
Speaker 1: list person.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We went out to a lady's house and she found
Speaker 1: on some Angie's List Italy. I don't know what they
Speaker 1: have over there, but some version of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and g and Jesus and so we we.
Speaker 1: Travel like twenty miles out of Florence and went to
Speaker 1: her house and stayed the whole day and she just
Speaker 1: like she's just a lady, just taught us how to
Speaker 1: cook and we made pasta. It was really one of
Speaker 1: those experiences that I wasn't looking forward to. But I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful that I listened to my wife and we
Speaker 1: did it. Yeah, because it's still like so special in
Speaker 1: my heart. Wow.
Speaker 2: So do you do you have like those memory like
Speaker 2: the all the all the recipes on lock and Usual.
Speaker 3: She does.
Speaker 1: She's a great cook, she knows how. There's once a
Speaker 1: year we do homemade, all the homemade noodles and stuff
Speaker 1: because we learned how to do that. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: a process, like it takes hours to do. So I'll
Speaker 1: commit to her once a year to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think she learned two things from her specifically
Speaker 1: that she does really well, and they're mostly improvements on pasta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm also not a pasta guy. Well yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but the sauces, you know, it's right where like we're
Speaker 1: like that, I've never tasted that before.
Speaker 3: How did you do that? It's all so fresh? I
Speaker 3: guess right, it's all all so fresh. Just chop the
Speaker 3: pine nuts right then and yeah, all of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Italy to me, I have great memories there
Speaker 1: of that and again just chasing television shows because that's
Speaker 1: why I went places.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's funny for me. I had that
Speaker 2: same experience of travel. You know, just if I if
Speaker 2: they book us a show there, it's said, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2: I mean, even if it was a break even or
Speaker 2: we'd lose a little money. Our very first tour was
Speaker 2: in the UK. We got booked on a couple festivals
Speaker 2: and we found out that the touring and surfing they
Speaker 2: go hand in hand music and surfing because they both
Speaker 2: require travel. And so while we're in London, we had
Speaker 2: like four days left before we needed to fly home,
Speaker 2: and we found out there were waves in France that
Speaker 2: as swell was hitting. So we checked out of our
Speaker 2: hotel and into Central Park with all our gear and
Speaker 2: tried to sleep during the day, like sleep on our
Speaker 2: gear so no one could steal it. But sleeping and
Speaker 2: scent you know where at Hyde Park or wherever in London,
Speaker 2: it's this band shows up to play like marching band.
Speaker 2: We're like trying to sleep like it was comical. And
Speaker 2: so now we're we haven't slept at all. We're wired
Speaker 2: and we're trying to now make it through London at
Speaker 2: night and not get mugged with all our instruments at
Speaker 2: like subways and getting kicked out of places. But by
Speaker 2: checking out of our hotel for that for those four days,
Speaker 2: we saved enough money to get the chunnel over and
Speaker 2: surf in France. And so those are like, those are
Speaker 2: core memories for us as a band to think through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't trade it now. My travel is is still a
Speaker 2: beautiful thing. But having kids, I feel like a new
Speaker 2: understanding of what home means. Because when you're twenty two
Speaker 2: and you've dropped out of college and you're living at home,
Speaker 2: travel means success, you know. But then as you grow older,
Speaker 2: being home means success because I love my kids, I
Speaker 2: love my wife, I want to be there, so yeah,
Speaker 2: it totally changes the perspective. And then when I get
Speaker 2: a chance I can actually bring my kids with me.
Speaker 2: I brought my son to Alaska. We toured up there
Speaker 2: this summer, and yeah, I want to pass on that
Speaker 2: education to them.
Speaker 1: The first time that I had been to Hawaii, I
Speaker 1: was in my thirties. I went by myself.
Speaker 3: It was America.
Speaker 1: I don't think I had a passport at that time,
Speaker 1: so I stayed in the States.
Speaker 3: But I went where the time zone was off.
Speaker 1: Because I had to finish a book, okay, and if
Speaker 1: my time's al was way different than everybody else's, then
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be in the wheel.
Speaker 3: The emails weren't coming.
Speaker 1: There were like four five hours every day where I
Speaker 1: did not have to worry about that. And so I
Speaker 1: went to Hawaii by myself and I was staying at
Speaker 1: a hotel.
Speaker 3: I was just riding.
Speaker 1: And again, Hawaii is a weird place for me to go.
Speaker 1: But the Brady bunch went and they had that bad
Speaker 1: luck mask. They threw it back in the oak. So
Speaker 1: I just wanted to go and see it. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: this is a Wahu. Well, first it was Honolulu, so
Speaker 1: I bounced around a little bit, even by myself.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So first, because I didn't know what I was doing
Speaker 1: I just went to Honolulu and stay at a hotel
Speaker 1: and I was I thought I need to go do
Speaker 1: something even by myself. And so I went to like
Speaker 1: the Dole yeah where they make the pine app and
Speaker 1: then I guess I make pineapples, but they you know,
Speaker 1: the dole.
Speaker 3: Plant, yeah, right in the center.
Speaker 1: And so and then I went and hiked a did
Speaker 1: a mountain by myself, and I remember asking somebody to
Speaker 1: take a picture and they were like looking for the
Speaker 1: other people to be in the picture, and I was like, nop,
Speaker 1: just me, you know, like hold your arms out wide
Speaker 1: and you take a picture. And so I thought I
Speaker 1: should do something on the water. And I went down
Speaker 1: and I don't know how to surf, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna take surf lessons, but I thought, I'll go and
Speaker 1: get one of those like paddle stand up paddle boys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'll go and at least get on the wa
Speaker 1: and have an experience doing that.
Speaker 3: And so I go and I'm on and I'm you.
Speaker 1: Know, strauch that thing to me so the board doesn't
Speaker 1: fly off, but everybody's looking at me really weird, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, either I'm killing this, and they're amazed at
Speaker 1: a rookie or I'm doing something really wrong. And so
Speaker 1: like I'm up, I'm standing up on the board. I'm
Speaker 1: exact where I'm supposed to be, but people are like
Speaker 1: looking at me, and then a lula me. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they may recognize me. I got a couple of things
Speaker 1: going maybe yeah, and it wasn't that. And so finally
Speaker 1: a guy that I think he was giving lessons of
Speaker 1: other people, he comes up and he's very nice and
Speaker 1: he said, hey, man, that strap is not for your wrist,
Speaker 1: it's for your ankle. So it's a strap, yes, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I had it on my wrist. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: different strokes. That's why everybody was staring at me. That's
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 3: I was really like, I mean it doesn't go could
Speaker 3: have gone neck, you know. I could have gone neck. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe like a sweatban. My head's too big for the sweatman,
Speaker 3: but I could have gone neck. But I did. Risk.
Speaker 1: Was surfing what brought you guys as the band together initially,
Speaker 1: so kind of I definitely think it's what's kept us
Speaker 1: together as a band.
Speaker 3: It's for people that don't participate.
Speaker 2: It sounds funny, but yeah, we were on surf teams
Speaker 2: and high school and college. And I always joke UCSD,
Speaker 2: the college we went to, is well known for you know,
Speaker 2: math and science is not They don't have a football team,
Speaker 2: but I will say our surf team is much better
Speaker 2: than U. C.
Speaker 1: L A.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's that was kind of.
Speaker 2: We'd go surfing, we'd make music, but you know, surfing
Speaker 2: and music are both kind of you do it because
Speaker 2: you love it. You're not thinking I'm going to I'm
Speaker 2: going to crush it financially with this occupation.
Speaker 3: You know, surfing is it's.
Speaker 2: A blast, it's a passion, it's a lifestyle. It's a
Speaker 2: way to connect with nature, yourself, other people. But you're
Speaker 2: never thinking, oh, this is going to make me some money.
Speaker 2: I think the same thing holds you with songs, where
Speaker 2: I think songs are the scaffolding for the soul. They
Speaker 2: get me to places I could never get to otherwise.
Speaker 2: And yet the same approach was you know, until our
Speaker 2: fourth record, we had that approach where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: of course we're never going to make money with us,
Speaker 2: but we're going to pour our life into it because
Speaker 2: it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: So why did you guys get dropped at that fourth record.
Speaker 2: We played a show in New York for the head
Speaker 2: of Sony and he walked out second song after saying
Speaker 2: a couple of expletives and did not like us and
Speaker 2: thought we were not a good band.
Speaker 1: So he saw you play yeah and dropped you based
Speaker 1: off a song he actually I think he.
Speaker 2: Walked out during a song called Darry to Move, which
Speaker 2: ended up being one of.
Speaker 3: Our bigger songs. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh so we we finished the show and we're thinking, man,
Speaker 2: that went pretty good, right, and our managers like, no,
Speaker 2: it did not.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 2: I don't think it went well at all, And I
Speaker 2: think you guys got dropped And it ended up being
Speaker 2: the best thing that could have happened to us.
Speaker 3: Why because we.
Speaker 2: Were then relegated to this basically the farm team of Sony,
Speaker 2: which was r D and on Sony tons of money,
Speaker 2: tons of power, tons of clout, but we would have
Speaker 2: been one of a bunch of other bands, and we
Speaker 2: were in a very small ship in a big pond,
Speaker 2: and on r D they were hungry and excited and
Speaker 2: they were like, let's go.
Speaker 3: We love this, We love you guys.
Speaker 2: And you're our priority, and so we would just basically,
Speaker 2: you know, we'd travel around the country plan for folks.
Speaker 2: You know, we'd play our our show in the evening
Speaker 2: and play for the radio station in the morning, and
Speaker 2: halfway through the tour, that's kind of when the aggregate
Speaker 2: sum of people started to change, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 2: so that was a big turning point for us. And
Speaker 2: I don't think it would have happened on Sony, So
Speaker 2: that's what I mean. It was a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 2: What was the success story of Meant to Live. Meant
Speaker 2: to Live was a song that is it still feels
Speaker 2: true for me. And when I say was, I feel
Speaker 2: like I should say is. It still is a song
Speaker 2: that feels like it resonates. There's several lines in it
Speaker 2: that feel more poignant now and almost prescient than when
Speaker 2: I wrote them. We want more than the wars of
Speaker 2: our fathers. That line every night when I sing that,
Speaker 2: especially now and being a dad, that feels feels like
Speaker 2: a very poignant line, and I feel like it resonated
Speaker 2: with people. Music is you know, to state the obviously
Speaker 2: you're dealing with resonance, and you know that note that
Speaker 2: you hit in the shower where it just keeps going
Speaker 2: on forever and you think Wow, my voice is amazing.
Speaker 2: You know, you found what's called the resonant frequency of
Speaker 2: the room, where all matter will have a resonant frequency
Speaker 2: at which it will vibrate. Say a truck drive by
Speaker 2: and your window starts rattling this because the truck hit
Speaker 2: the frequency at which your window rattles.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So I think that music not only on a physical
Speaker 2: level of resonance, but also with the lyrical level. Something's
Speaker 2: resonant with me, Like I hear a poem or I
Speaker 2: read a book or a phrase and it feels like
Speaker 2: it sticks with me and begins to move me in
Speaker 2: a way. I think Meant to Live did that for
Speaker 2: a lot of people, people where it resonated with them
Speaker 2: and it felt like that fist in the air kind
Speaker 2: of moment where they want to sing along with it.
Speaker 1: Was there a television performance or was it EMPTV or
Speaker 1: was it a radio like what was kind of the
Speaker 1: lever that actually like popped that song?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we did all of them.
Speaker 2: You mentioned, you know, we were talking about the VC
Speaker 2: Boys on Letterman. Yeah, we did Letterman, we did Leto,
Speaker 2: we did EMPTV. There was there was one moment where
Speaker 2: the last minute we were added to a radio show
Speaker 2: at Madison Square Garden in New York City and it
Speaker 2: was a last minute thing and so and they said, hey,
Speaker 2: we want you to go out and play a.
Speaker 3: Couple of songs, just acoustic, just you and so.
Speaker 1: And it was and now that I'm thinking of it,
Speaker 1: it was very odd. William Hung, I'm remember William Hung
Speaker 1: was the Asma before us.
Speaker 3: Yes, she bangs American Banks.
Speaker 2: But you've got like Destiny's Child and Maroon five and
Speaker 2: all these people everyone's backstage. Oh and also the Donald
Speaker 2: Trump was there as the apprentice, right, so like it's
Speaker 2: a cast of characters.
Speaker 3: What is Z one hundred? Yes, yeah, yeah, it Z
Speaker 3: one hundred.
Speaker 2: And so I remember walking on stage with just an
Speaker 2: acoustic guitar and uh and playing Meant to Live on
Speaker 2: the acoustic guitar and having the entire Madison Square Guard
Speaker 2: Garden singing along with me. And that was a moment
Speaker 2: where I thought, Wow, they all know this song. That's
Speaker 2: that's incredible.
Speaker 3: And those are moments that I feel like that is.
Speaker 2: Why I do what I do, whether it's an arena
Speaker 2: or fourteen people backstage, or it could be I do
Speaker 2: after shows where the show will finish and I'll go
Speaker 2: to the parking lot in the back and send out
Speaker 2: a tweet or Instagram and say, hey, let's keep the
Speaker 2: night going where multiple people are all seeing the same thing.
Speaker 2: When I was in high school going to the punk
Speaker 2: show or church or wherever, it felt like, oh, I
Speaker 2: resonate with this. I feel like I belong somewhere, And
Speaker 2: in that moment at MSG, it felt like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: a part of something bigger.
Speaker 3: Resonating's interesting.
Speaker 1: I just got off a call where I was being
Speaker 1: interviewed about an artist that's killing it right now, and
Speaker 1: they're like, why do.
Speaker 3: You think she's making it?
Speaker 1: And I said, well, first, you know, her songs are good,
Speaker 1: and also the people she wrote with and sonically, you know.
Speaker 1: And I said, you can have all eleven things, though,
Speaker 1: and it's still not work. Yeah, Like if it were
Speaker 1: a if you could predict it, if you could predict
Speaker 1: what worked, Yeah, I think this job would be a
Speaker 1: lot easier, I said, because I know I could list
Speaker 1: all eleven of these things that I just said that
Speaker 1: it's working for her that other people have done, and
Speaker 1: for some reason it did not work. I said, but
Speaker 1: you know what, it's so funny you said that. You said,
Speaker 1: but you know why it's working is because it resonates
Speaker 1: with people, like people either hear stories of themselves or
Speaker 1: somebody they care about or root for, like there's something
Speaker 1: that they're connecting to this artist music and this artist song.
Speaker 1: And that was literally the conversation that I had with
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal that was talking about music. And
Speaker 1: it's such an odd thing because again, you can do
Speaker 1: everything right and it's still not connect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then you.
Speaker 1: Could do everything wrong you connect like freaking crazy, yes,
Speaker 1: because it would be like a video going viral that
Speaker 1: someone is just like crappily shooting and holding up versus
Speaker 1: one banks.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great example where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: so why is that the song that everyone wants to
Speaker 2: hear right now?
Speaker 1: And if you could predict it, or if you were
Speaker 1: good enough to just do it every time, you would,
Speaker 1: but really you can't, right, there's no way to produce
Speaker 1: the perfect from the beginning, there's no way to produce
Speaker 1: the perfect song.
Speaker 2: Well, because I think imperfections need to be there. I
Speaker 2: think that's where the human component comes in, Like I
Speaker 2: resonate with something that feels human to me, and to
Speaker 2: be human to errors to human, right, to be human.
Speaker 2: So we think like, okay, so we're looking I'm looking
Speaker 2: at Miles Davis Kind of Blue.
Speaker 3: It's a perfect album. Hold that record up.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a segment we do where and we donate
Speaker 1: all these records eventually, so we have people bring in
Speaker 1: records that mean a lot to them. And you've brought
Speaker 1: in Miles Davis Kind of Blue. Why did you bring
Speaker 1: that in? Okay, So this is my favorite album. I
Speaker 1: think it's a perfect album.
Speaker 2: But it is a deeply human record because you have
Speaker 2: these incredible artists, you know, masters of their craft, playing
Speaker 2: the song for the first or the second time. Most
Speaker 2: of the songs on here are first or second takes,
Speaker 2: and I think that's where humanity comes in. I have
Speaker 2: all these conversations with my friends that play jazz. They
Speaker 2: talk about the bell curve where you have at the beginning,
Speaker 2: you're you're so excited about the song, your interest, your
Speaker 2: human connection with the song is at a peak, but
Speaker 2: your aptitude to play the song is pretty low. These
Speaker 2: guys not so much. But maybe the second take, third take,
Speaker 2: four take, your aptitude gets better and better. You know
Speaker 2: it better and better, so you now tenth take in
Speaker 2: it's it's rope, it's all mapped out, but your interest
Speaker 2: and your human connection with the song has gone down
Speaker 2: because you've done it ten times.
Speaker 3: You just are kind of bored.
Speaker 2: So like usually like the fifth or sixth take, you're
Speaker 2: like okay or fourth, it depends on what's happening. But
Speaker 2: I think that's when I when I hear a perfect album,
Speaker 2: I want to feel like there's humans that are making
Speaker 2: the music, you know, because that's that's what resonates with me,
Speaker 2: is the humanity, and that's what I feel like in
Speaker 2: this what's perfect about it is that's the first or
Speaker 2: second take you feel them kind of you feel the
Speaker 2: song unfolding and it's nothing is forced about it.
Speaker 3: How did you start listening to Miles Davis?
Speaker 2: I played trumpet in junior high and so yeah, I
Speaker 2: think this is a unique album though in the jazz world.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's the most the best selling
Speaker 2: jazz album of all time. So it definitely not only
Speaker 2: resonated with me, but with a lot of people. But
Speaker 2: I think it is you know, you talk about a
Speaker 2: feeling that you had in Japan. Music is almost that
Speaker 2: thing for a lot of us, where it's like a
Speaker 2: smell where it takes you somewhere, and this album takes
Speaker 2: me to a place that I want to go again
Speaker 2: and again. It's a serene place that feels tranquil, it
Speaker 2: feels human, but there's space for me there too, you know,
Speaker 2: for my own thoughts to unfold. A lot of jazz,
Speaker 2: incredible though it may be, is so filled with notes
Speaker 2: and things that are flying by you that you really
Speaker 2: have to pay attention. And this is an album where
Speaker 2: it just kind of lets you drift again.
Speaker 3: We're back to the ocean, but.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're just kind of letting it take you where
Speaker 2: it goes and you feel comfortable there.
Speaker 4: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1: Flee also played the trumpet from Chili Pepper's Yeah and
Speaker 1: he just did a jazz record, Yeah, And he talked
Speaker 1: about how nervous he was and how after all the
Speaker 1: forty years Chili Pepper's the highest level, that he still
Speaker 1: felt like he did not have it in him to
Speaker 1: pull off a successful jazz record that will be respected.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, imposter syndrome is.
Speaker 2: At every level right where you're always like I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm not sure, but when you delve into jazz.
Speaker 2: That's when you know there's layers of mastery and everyone
Speaker 2: can see right through it if you're faking it.
Speaker 1: You know, whatever happened with the guy that said we're
Speaker 1: dropping switch Foot so he oh man because because it
Speaker 1: turned out bad decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So after we sold two million copies, he brought
Speaker 2: us back over and took a picture and talked about
Speaker 2: artist development and all of these things. Of course he did,
Speaker 2: but it was this thing where I don't like I
Speaker 2: even now. I don't have any ill will or I
Speaker 2: think he was trying his best. I think that's a
Speaker 2: tough position to be in that I don't want his job,
Speaker 2: and you can't change one thing without changing everything. So
Speaker 2: I love the fact that I get to make music now.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've done so many dumb things as a band.
Speaker 2: We've signed record deals. The very first record deal we
Speaker 2: signed as a band gave us seven thousand dollars every
Speaker 2: record for our entire publishing, so seven thousand dollars per
Speaker 2: album and published. That was for the first six albums.
Speaker 2: So I mean, these are things that you look back
Speaker 2: on and you're like, oh, that's a horrible financial decision.
Speaker 2: We had a lawyer look at it found out he's
Speaker 2: actually was also doing the legal stuff.
Speaker 3: But all these things, you can either be bitter.
Speaker 1: And like, oh, unt told think about all the numbers,
Speaker 1: or you can say no, I mean I love where
Speaker 1: I live. I love that I get to talk about
Speaker 1: music with you, we got to talk about Miles Davis.
Speaker 1: And none of this would happen if we hadn't to
Speaker 1: sign that deal. I mean, sure, maybe a different deal,
Speaker 1: maybe I meet a different woman. Maybe, but you can't
Speaker 1: change one thing without changing everything. So I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be content and fully present to the moment I'm in.
Speaker 3: Did you fill the pressure with Darry to Move? After
Speaker 3: Meant to Live?
Speaker 1: Was that? Oh my god, we got one and it
Speaker 1: was a crazy journey to get one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well the funny thing, okay, so here's a funny
Speaker 2: story about Meant.
Speaker 3: To Live and Darry to Move.
Speaker 1: Dairy to Move appeared on the album before that, in
Speaker 1: switch Foot's catalog, which is an album called.
Speaker 3: Learning to Breathe, and that.
Speaker 2: Was a song that we thought, wow, this is such
Speaker 2: a beautiful song. We're going to play it first on
Speaker 2: the album. And but it was the same kind of
Speaker 2: thing where the record label we were on at the
Speaker 2: time was like, yeah, pretty good song. Then nothing happened
Speaker 2: with it, but it took you know, we were like,
Speaker 2: we still think it's a great.
Speaker 3: Song when we were going to put it on.
Speaker 2: Another album, and so we put it on this one
Speaker 2: beautiful Letdown and that's when people thought it was a
Speaker 2: great song. So but it is that thing where perspective
Speaker 2: is it changes everything, right, So like people will say, well,
Speaker 2: it's not a hit like Meant to Live or Dairy
Speaker 2: to Move, And in the back of my mind, I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: those are all songs that people thought weren't hits, and
Speaker 2: what is a hit?
Speaker 3: I think you know.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, again we're talking about resonance, so it's like, well,
Speaker 2: what moves you. If it moves you, then go like
Speaker 2: we just came out with a single wake Up Mister Crow,
Speaker 2: and it's it's all the things that maybe you would say, hey,
Speaker 2: this is not where music sat. But our goal was
Speaker 2: to resonate with that fourteen year old kid who picked
Speaker 2: up a guitar and started playing Zeppelin.
Speaker 3: You know that. We were like, let's make that album.
Speaker 2: And so then it becomes kind of irrelevant what anyone says,
Speaker 2: because you feel it from here.
Speaker 3: The album comes out in June.
Speaker 1: That's correct, six six twenty six. Is there is there
Speaker 1: a meeting behind that or I just remember the date
Speaker 1: we there. We came up with all sorts of meanings
Speaker 1: once we found out what the date was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, lots of meanings. Yeah yeah, thirteen Lucky thirteen,
Speaker 2: double it and two.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a palindrome all of it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: been five years. Huh, since it's been.
Speaker 2: A long time. Yeah, we've came out with the record.
Speaker 2: The last record we made was recorded like the High
Speaker 2: to COVID. There's so much tension, and I mean the
Speaker 2: world has the tension is still there. But I felt
Speaker 2: like this album is feels like as a band you
Speaker 2: try on all sorts of different jackets.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh this this feels good. I like this.
Speaker 2: And as a songwriter you're always looking for new places,
Speaker 2: you know, like your traveler. Right, this album feels like
Speaker 2: it's a return to home where you think, oh, this
Speaker 2: jacket feels nice, I'm comfortable in this. And again that
Speaker 2: having the compass of well, what's going to make that
Speaker 2: fourteen year old kid want to pick up the guitar.
Speaker 3: Let's make that record.
Speaker 1: Not the same at all but your new single. I
Speaker 1: really liked Stars from you guys. Yes, they to me,
Speaker 1: they feel a bit similar. Yeah, like and again, not
Speaker 1: the same. I'm not saying they're the same. Yeah this
Speaker 1: is you know, I'm a moron, but like that song
Speaker 1: kind of made me feel like Stars made me feel.
Speaker 3: Yes, it does have a similar.
Speaker 2: It's they're both dropp d and they both have a
Speaker 2: similar movement in the melody that's presented on the guitar.
Speaker 3: I totally agree.
Speaker 2: Oh good, Yes, And we have even thought about, like,
Speaker 2: I want to make an intro that has one as
Speaker 2: the intro and then you go into the other.
Speaker 3: I think that'd be really fun. Ah good. I love
Speaker 3: when I'm not in it. No you're not.
Speaker 2: And actually that particular song is a motif that that
Speaker 2: riff that appears in different forms. There's an upside down
Speaker 2: version of it in a different song, and then it
Speaker 2: comes back and again. It's kind of feels like like
Speaker 2: an intentional thread to weave through the whole record.
Speaker 3: Are you a coffee guy? I love coffee. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to get there. Okay, I hate coffee. Do you like tea?
Speaker 3: Sweet tea? Okay? Only you? I mean I love it.
Speaker 3: You're hitting all the boxes, like you know what.
Speaker 1: Like, It's just I feel like we're on the opposite
Speaker 1: side on a lot of things, like let's go to
Speaker 1: the beach.
Speaker 3: No, well, let's have some coffee. No, let's have some
Speaker 3: sweet I love that. It's so good.
Speaker 1: I have been trying to will myself into liking coffee, okay,
Speaker 1: because I do understand why people like coffee. I just
Speaker 1: it just does not taste good to me. Do you
Speaker 1: like okay, let's go back. Do you like coffee shops?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like. I like a vibe of a coffee shop, especially.
Speaker 1: I like the music in a coffee shop. I like
Speaker 1: coffee house radio, I like all of that, everything, pastries, okay,
Speaker 1: I like everything about coffee except the coffee.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like me with smoking, Like I love
Speaker 2: the idea of stepping outside and breathing for like five
Speaker 2: minutes a couple of times a day and just hanging
Speaker 2: with somebody and talking. I just don't like the idea of,
Speaker 2: you know, smoking, but I love the you know. So
Speaker 2: I feel like this is the same same concept. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to drink coffee to make myself like it. I
Speaker 2: just can't do it, well, is there if.
Speaker 1: You tried, like like kombucha or okay, and I love kombucha,
Speaker 1: could you disguise it like put some kombucha in like
Speaker 1: a coffee cup and just but then I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it, like if I'm doing all that
Speaker 1: work because I'm trying to do it so I socially
Speaker 1: can just while everybody's drinking coffee because I've never I've
Speaker 1: never had alcohol ever, I've never tasted alcohol. So since
Speaker 1: I can't do that, I never did bars and stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: well I'm older now I do coffee. Yeah, but nobody
Speaker 1: I just I can't get there coffee of coffee less coffee.
Speaker 1: But again, it's like non alcoholic beer. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: want to drink non coffee coffee.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The point of coffee is like for that, I just
Speaker 1: didn't know if you could if you are a coffee guy.
Speaker 2: Or I love coffee, I really do, and I think
Speaker 2: coffee like when when I show up in a new place,
Speaker 2: I look on Yelp for coffee shops and there's usually
Speaker 2: like two or three in a section of town, and
Speaker 2: that's where I go, and it feels like coffee community conversation.
Speaker 3: I like all that culture. It all feels right there.
Speaker 3: I love all that except coffee part for the coffee,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean you can you can.
Speaker 1: Like kind of secondhand coffee, and I do it, and
Speaker 1: that's mostly what I do. Yeah, and I can even
Speaker 1: do like an espresso shot really in something like it
Speaker 1: needs to be dumped over a cake.
Speaker 3: I did a whole cake with one shot.
Speaker 2: That My daughter, she's like, you know, she'll have like
Speaker 2: the whatever, the latte with four donuts and everything.
Speaker 1: That's exactly how I have to do. Yeah, you have kids,
Speaker 1: tell many kids.
Speaker 3: I have two.
Speaker 2: I have a fourteen year old daughter and a seven
Speaker 2: year old son. Your story of coffee reminds me of Vegemite.
Speaker 2: I was convinced I was going to move to Australia
Speaker 2: and go to college there. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: their version of a PBJ and I'm going to be
Speaker 2: on a budget because I'm in Australia is Vegemite.
Speaker 3: Sandwich. Could never figure out how to like Vegemite. It's
Speaker 3: pretty disgusting. And so that's why I never went to Australia.
Speaker 3: You know you never went. I never studied there. Oh,
Speaker 3: I got to college. It kept you out of Australia. Oh,
Speaker 3: I wear so many things. No, yeah, I can't stand it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an exchange student when I was in high school.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, dude, I'm coming back. I'm going
Speaker 2: to fall in love with vegemite and yeah, never worked out.
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Speaker 3: I was asking about your kids, if you want, if
Speaker 3: they love music. They do, and I so.
Speaker 2: My friend is an artist, visual artist, and his definition
Speaker 2: of an artist is someone who appreciates beauty visually, can
Speaker 2: take it in and appreciate it because he says, you know,
Speaker 2: replicating something with your hands or creating something that's that's
Speaker 2: a form of art, but even just taking it in
Speaker 2: is that's the highest form of artistry. And I feel
Speaker 2: like the same is true with music because I have
Speaker 2: both my kids.
Speaker 3: They love it.
Speaker 2: They take it in and they can they'll play different instruments.
Speaker 2: But I think too about you know kids that you
Speaker 2: know have autism or different on the spectrum in different
Speaker 2: ways that may never be able to replicate a song
Speaker 2: or create it with their fingers, but the music moves
Speaker 2: them in ways that maybe doesn't move anyone else in
Speaker 2: the room. So yeah, they love music and they feel
Speaker 2: it on that level. I think most kids, do you know,
Speaker 2: I'm in the I asked, God, your kids. We had
Speaker 2: a baby like two weeks ago, first baby, and so
Speaker 2: now I'm just deciding what scientifically I want to do
Speaker 2: to her to make her.
Speaker 1: Like you know the science experiment. Yes, yeah, and so
Speaker 1: like what do I want to make her like? Well,
Speaker 1: I will say this, you stack the deck. I had
Speaker 1: all the playlists up until like five or six or seven.
Speaker 1: You can you hold all the cards. So like I
Speaker 1: would even take my daughter to record stores before she
Speaker 1: could talk. There's a space, there's a spot called lose records.
Speaker 1: All the records that you want, right, and I would pick.
Speaker 1: I'd go through and pick albums that I wanted. I'd say, okay,
Speaker 1: you want Miles Davis or do you want you know
Speaker 1: this this Bob Dylan record? And it'd hold them up
Speaker 1: both up to her and she would be like eh eh,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like.
Speaker 3: Okay, put this one down.
Speaker 2: And then I'd pick up a David Bowie record, which
Speaker 2: one do you want? And she would and so ultimately
Speaker 2: she would pick what we would get and then we'd
Speaker 2: go home and put it on and we'd listen to it.
Speaker 2: And that was kind of one of our traditions. And
Speaker 2: the other thing, I mean with Spotify or anything, you
Speaker 2: are seating the field. You're you're you're saying, this is
Speaker 2: music and it can be whatever you think good music is.
Speaker 2: And that's what she's going to have as her foundational
Speaker 2: element of what she loves, which is pretty awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: Gonna get he into coffee though, no coffee, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: so she's going to be like getting coffee in the
Speaker 1: back alley, like you know, my dad doesn't let know
Speaker 1: I'm doing this, but yeah, two final questions for you,
Speaker 1: So talking about music, like, what what was it that
Speaker 1: you listened to as a kid that you still find
Speaker 1: that if you're putting music on, you still turn it
Speaker 1: on because it makes you feel comfortable.
Speaker 5: Oh, So Aretha was My mom and dad are both musicians,
Speaker 5: and so music was always on a lot of records
Speaker 5: and my mom had a like mostly.
Speaker 2: Male artists looking back, and my mom didn't really tolerate
Speaker 2: too many female singers she had.
Speaker 3: She was very particular. She loved motown. But so Aretha
Speaker 3: was one.
Speaker 2: Of the the voices that felt like, you know, almost
Speaker 2: like a mother kind of tone. For me, it just
Speaker 2: felt like, you know that that's that's what Heaven sounds like.
Speaker 2: So Aretha feels like my childhood.
Speaker 1: Final question, Well, let me say this first before we
Speaker 1: get to the final question.
Speaker 3: And we mentioned it already.
Speaker 1: The new album Forever Now comes out June twenty sixth.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of reasons for that date,
Speaker 1: Like we talked about, Yes, wake Up mister Crow is
Speaker 1: out now, and I'm not crazy for thinking that felt
Speaker 1: a little bit like Stars at least to me.
Speaker 3: Yes made me feel like I was nervous.
Speaker 1: I was never say I feel it okay, good, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, And I'd like you to be honest.
Speaker 3: I can show you why it feels. Please do which
Speaker 3: that's tuned, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the uh yeah, so this is they're both
Speaker 1: and dropped, which is definitely like the fourteen year old
Speaker 1: tuning where you're like, yeah, fourteen year old, I love
Speaker 1: that sounds heavy.
Speaker 3: So Stars is it has that right? And then the.
Speaker 1: So it has a drop D droning and they're also
Speaker 1: very similar at BPMS and they have that a lot
Speaker 1: of the dissonance.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they're they're they're they're brothers or sisters.
Speaker 2: I don't know the gender, but they're one of those too,
Speaker 2: at least strong cousins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have double cousins. Ever heard of that?
Speaker 3: Oh? Is that an Arkansas thing? I don't know what
Speaker 3: double cousins are. I'm sorry the idea.
Speaker 1: So my mom and her sister, two sisters, okay, married
Speaker 1: my biological dad and his brother. No way, So two
Speaker 1: sisters married two brothers, So all offspring, we're all doubled up.
Speaker 1: Like to everybody that's related to me is related to them.
Speaker 2: I so the people that live in the alley behind
Speaker 2: me when I was writing meant to live same thing.
Speaker 3: They're brothers that married two sisters. Yeah, so we're almost
Speaker 3: incest but not quite. No, no, not no incest.
Speaker 1: No no, no, I agree that just said almost the tree
Speaker 1: goes up with no branches come out, but it's not.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, but it almost feels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, like you can you can almost walk
Speaker 1: off the cliff, but you didn't fall off the cliff
Speaker 1: and die. That's where we are, okay, okay, yeah almost
Speaker 1: almost almost final question. Okay, and please be honest with
Speaker 1: me here because I'd asked, Hey, I wonder I want
Speaker 1: to what John's like, because I'm always curious of an impression.
Speaker 1: Before I get to make my first impression, I like
Speaker 1: to tell you what that is. Did anybody tell you
Speaker 1: anything about me coming into this room at all?
Speaker 2: The only text I received was like five minutes before,
Speaker 2: did you.
Speaker 3: Know where you were coming? No?
Speaker 1: No, so you're just strained. You just fallow feet and
Speaker 1: you came here and you didn't know what you're walking into.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of didn't know. I knew.
Speaker 2: I was like, I knew you were affiliate with sports
Speaker 2: and the Dancing with the Stars, and that was kind of.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious because that's like my eighth and ninth jobs. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so that's what I'm saying. Okay, good, So
Speaker 1: what what what information did you have before you walked
Speaker 1: in here?
Speaker 3: I can read you the text message. If that's okay, I.
Speaker 1: Hope it's like strikingly good looking, it's very attractive, super funny,
Speaker 1: he smells great.
Speaker 2: Yes, why that was reletive irrelevant, but yeah, okay, it
Speaker 2: says for the sake of posterity, pretending you've never heard
Speaker 2: of Bobby bones for a second well known radio host
Speaker 2: in the country. Space has a syndicated morning show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: He's also done some hosting. He's on American Idol as
Speaker 2: a coach one, Dancing with the Stars and kind of
Speaker 2: all over the place.
Speaker 3: Interviews should be fairly straightforward. Hit me up if you
Speaker 3: have any questions. Oh, christ I will see you there shortly.
Speaker 3: All right, So that was what I knew. Do you
Speaker 3: know what this is on? No?
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is the show on Netflix. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: glad I didn't know. By the way, I'm Bobby. Nice
Speaker 1: to meet John yet. I was like, yeah, that sounds fun.
Speaker 1: I love talking about music. And I heard about the vinyl.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Component I'm like, yeah, that sounds great. Did you
Speaker 3: enjoy this? I loved it? Okay, I love that. I mean,
Speaker 3: what's not to love.
Speaker 1: We have to talk about our favorite spots on the
Speaker 1: planet and Miles Davis.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, what I got to teach me some dance moves? Now, No,
Speaker 3: you don't want that.
Speaker 1: Okay, you will somehow get worse if I teach you
Speaker 1: anything dancing. What I was told was John is so nice,
Speaker 1: it's going to blow you away. That was what I
Speaker 1: was told about you coming in here. Okay, When I
Speaker 1: say that, how does that make you feel?
Speaker 3: Nice?
Speaker 1: Is? Is?
Speaker 3: Is an interesting adjective? I agree, I agree.
Speaker 2: I appreciate being kind, and yet niceness is actually something
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out come to terms with.
Speaker 1: Nice doesn't always resonate with me. Yes, but I think
Speaker 1: it was meant in a way of you're really going
Speaker 1: to like him because he's a very kind and he'll
Speaker 1: be generous.
Speaker 3: Guy.
Speaker 1: I think that's what the sentiment was. Yes, and met fully,
Speaker 1: but you're the grand Canon. You're better than the Grand
Speaker 1: Canyon like I expected.
Speaker 3: And then whoa, look at this thing like it was.
Speaker 1: That Wow, Okay, I'll take it. Yes, like India status
Speaker 1: grand king. Sure, okay, but yeah, I have trouble with
Speaker 1: nice because there are people that are nice, but don't
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel genuine Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's it's that thing where.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, there's a lot there, but I
Speaker 2: think for me, yeah, nice is a strange one. And
Speaker 2: I think I'm trying to present myself. I want to
Speaker 2: be kind, I want to be honest. I want to
Speaker 2: be and I think sometimes nice can shave off all
Speaker 2: the But I'm coming to you with you know, some scruff.
Speaker 3: So here we go. I've really enjoyed this. I have
Speaker 3: to thank you for your time.
Speaker 1: This has been awesome and we talked about the record
Speaker 1: before you got here. Congratulations. And I'm just a big fans.
Speaker 1: I've been a big fan for a long time, so
Speaker 1: for me, this is thrilling to be able to sit
Speaker 1: and spend this time with you and not totally swing
Speaker 1: and miss on stars. Let's go, yes, yes, all right,
Speaker 1: there he is, John. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 4: Man, all right, thank you, thanks for listening to a
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast production