1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Marcus Colston and it's the NFL Player's 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: Second Acts Podcast. Welcome to the NFL Player Second Acts Podcast. 3 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm Peanuts Hillman. This is my grandfather, Roman Harper. My god, 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: what's up? 5 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: I'm doing? You like that one? I do? 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been called way worse by you, and 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: grandfather seems good. It seems it's my grandfather and everything 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: else that comes with it. 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: Man. 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: First and foremost, let's thank all of our viewers and 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: listeners out there anywhere else you listen and pick up 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: your podcast, whether it's Apple podcast or iHeartRadio podcast. Thank 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: you so much for always tune in. Give us a 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: rating of review five stars. Please tell a friend to 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,639 Speaker 1: tell a friend to what Peanut. Tell a friend there 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: it is. Continue to spread the word. Hit click, follow, 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: give us a like all those other things. Peanut, who 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: do we have today? We got a good one. I'm 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: kind of excited about this one. Excited as our producer Thomas, 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: but uh yeah, this this. 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: Is a good one. 22 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: He's in he's in my draft class. He's a first 23 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: round draft pick. 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: Before you, oh, blow out already. 25 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: But he deserved it. Though he deserved to be better, 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: he was better than me coming out of college. He 27 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: deserved it and he earned it. He's a first round 28 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: thirty first pick, thirty first pick to the Oakland Raiders, 29 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: now Las Vegas Raiders, but the Oakland Raiders. Four time 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: All Pro pro bowler, actor, producer, philanthropist. Ladies and gentlemen, 31 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: Please welcome. 32 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: To the show. Nam the awesome. Why oh you guys 33 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: clap too? Yeah, we clap, yeah, yeah, sometimes we clap 34 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: the audience. Yeah, we the audience. We do it all. 35 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: We do it all right here. We're our own hype team. 36 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: It we gotta be. We gotta be. Yeah. Now, welcome 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: to the show. 38 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: But before we say anything, we have to clear up 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: how you pronounce your name? Well, before you answer, how 40 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: you pronounce your name? Okay, we got something for you. 41 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: Don't do it. Don't do selection. 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: In the two thousand three NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: select as Namity corner back California Asa Namdi. 44 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: So we're we're we're in my So I stayed in 45 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: the dorms for four years in college, which just like unprecedented, 46 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: but they it was like my own dorm. So I 47 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 3: took care of, got everything taken care of. So we're 48 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: in the dorms. I have like my my brother and 49 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 3: my sister, like all of my friends, my teammates from college. 50 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: At the door. 51 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: They're all in the dorm. This was my my No, no, no, no, no, 52 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: they're just in there. They didn't sleep there. No, no, no. 53 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Yeah, you're the first person know to 54 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: have a party in the dorm. Yeah, first time ever. 55 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: Everyone was outside of that. Oh, let me, it must 56 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: have been a hell of a dorm. 57 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: No. We also had a party the next night. 58 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 3: Hold on we because as I was in the doors 59 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: for so long as a senior, so by the time 60 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: I got there till my senior year, my dorm was 61 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: like pretty much the whole first like I had flush. 62 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It was. Yeah, it was nice. 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: You know. They took care of me. 64 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: So I had everybody in there, and I got a 65 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: phone call from the Raiders. We're sort of expecting the 66 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: first round that okay, first round is going to go 67 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: and we'll see what we show up. And I had 68 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 3: the calls beforehand. I had some teams call and say, hey, 69 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: if you don't get drafted, look for us in free aging. 70 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I was preparing for that, 71 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: so I said, okay. 72 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: So I might not get d I told people I 73 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: might not get so I'm not looking at the first round. 74 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: So but we're all in there. We're just chilling. I 75 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: get the call from the Raiders and they're like, we're 76 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: going to take you with the next pick, and so 77 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: I'm like telling them we're going, We're going to the Raiders. 78 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: Everybody screamings, here he comes, you come, shredded, it destroyed. 79 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: My teammates killed me that. They were like, wait, who 80 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: is he talking about you? They showed my face. I 81 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: was like, but anyway, as Moga took away from the moment, 82 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: but you know, we're here now. 83 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: We here now, And you thought they said you might 84 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: have go on Oh no, no, no, no, no. Teams. There 85 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: were teams. 86 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 3: So there were teams that were saying, hey, we're going 87 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 3: to take you in the second round. It there's teams 88 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: that's saying different things. But there were teams that were like, hey, 89 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 3: just in case you don't get drafted, look for us, 90 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: you know, and for when you get to choose. And 91 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: I didn't know, Yeah, you don't really know, like they're there. 92 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: It's all projected, but it's their thoughts and there, so 93 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: I didn't know. And then we went with thirty one. 94 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 3: So during the Gruden trade is it called the trade 95 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: when he was trade? Yeah, he went from Oakland Tampa Bay. 96 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: The Raiders got an extra pick, so we had thirty 97 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: one and thirty two, and they took me with thirty 98 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 3: one and uh who was thirty two? Who was a 99 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: defensive lineman named Tyler Braydon. 100 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: Okay, I was gonna say, did you always have that 101 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: over him? Because, like, I mean, they could have picked 102 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: either one of us, and they took me in front 103 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: of you. 104 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: He was such he was such a good guy, like 105 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: I would never like, he's a good guy. You was like, 106 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: were you forty five? I was? 107 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: I was forty third. Oh okay, my bad, it's all good. 108 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: I'm thirty five. He looked forty. 109 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: Five for sure all day. 110 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 3: I remember when we played against you. I can't remember 111 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: if it was it was early in my career. We 112 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: played against you and you you were balling. You did 113 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: your thing, of course, and then I came after the game. 114 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: I remember I was talking to one of my teammates 115 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: and I said, man, the old Vet. 116 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: Was not like he shot. 117 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: He was because because when you took your helmet off, yes, 118 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: silver fox, and they were like, man, he younger than you. 119 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: I was like what, yeah, yes, well we always say 120 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: like dude, we should always ask when everybody the first 121 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: time they actually saw you was like yeah. 122 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: It was like everyone says the same yes, yea yo. 123 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah I was, you know we're talking. 124 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: He was, oh, yeah, I'm I'm a rookie. I was like, 125 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: rookie right right, been in the league seven years, right, 126 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: stress football ain't supposed to be that hard. Yeah. The 127 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: best story ever was when I got into my own 128 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: DV room, like they knew that I was a draft pick, 129 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: the second round pick, and they had to you know 130 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: that back then it was like nine year, twelve thirteen 131 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: year guys and they're all in there. They were like, 132 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: you know, did he he's the second round pick? Like 133 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: who's a new vet guy. They're like, no, he's the 134 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: second round pick. They were like did he go on 135 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: like a mission trip or something like was he in 136 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: the arm for us? Like did he serve? 137 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? Like did he just come back? Like what happened? Like? 138 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: How's he so great? You were what you were twenty two? Yeah? 139 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: Twenty two, twenty three when I got drafted one of those. 140 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: But thirty two, yeah, it's just part of it anyway, 141 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: decade plus Macro your career, grandpa. Right here, we got 142 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: these great careers. We all have that welcome to the 143 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: NFL moment? What was your welcome to the NFL moment 144 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: with the back then Oakland Raiders? So it's not tag 145 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: lear Bill, I can't say you. I mean technically you could, 146 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: but we know that one. But was there something when 147 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: you got like on the team. Did the Vets say something? 148 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: Did you go out? Was it a bill? 149 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: Was it a rookie show? Was it you got hit, 150 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: you got ran, or you gave him a touchdown? 151 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: Man? They didn't. 152 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: They took care of me. I didn't. So I didn't 153 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 3: do the rookie show. What didn't do the rookie Show? 154 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: I didn't. I mean they made me pay for a 155 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: lot of like rookie dinners. Okay, but they would do 156 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: this thing with the rookies where they would give them 157 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: crazy haircuts. 158 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, like you got like. 159 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: All your hairs right here right here, you know what 160 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: I mean? Didn't do that, Like, I don't know, they. 161 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: Took care of you. They liked you. 162 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: You got some good vets. Then it was great vets. 163 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: It was Charles Woodson, who wasn't a great I'll tell 164 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: him to his face, he was not a great. 165 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: Uh bet. 166 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: When I was a rookie. It was not a good 167 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: mentor at all. Didn't say one word. 168 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: To me the whole time. I had to earn it. 169 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: I had to earn it. 170 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: It was like, you're going to earn it. My second 171 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: year he started talking to me. It was like, okay, 172 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: but yeah we had Rod Woodson. I mean these guys 173 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: were in their fifteenth year. Yeah, they didn't have time 174 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: to worry about you. 175 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: They weren't. No Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, M Brown. 176 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice. That was the first game I started, the 177 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: Raider game. My fourth game. We played all my fourth game, 178 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chicago, I remember that. That was the first 179 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: game I started. First game I started was Dre Rice 180 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: and that was like two Hall of Famers. 181 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: That's my first game I ever started. 182 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: And I was going to say, you were balling though 183 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: I had like three p's and they weren't p i s. 184 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: It's just I was a rookie going against j Rice. 185 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: They throw the bag, they throw the flag, coach like, Peanut, 186 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: you will never get that call. 187 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 3: Just keep playing, baby, keep playing. I was looking. I 188 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 3: remember watching from you know beside. I didn't play. I 189 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: mean I played special teams, and I was like, man, 190 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 3: this dude, you know, like he not there was the 191 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: other guys. I was like, man, they actually they're playing. 192 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: They're out there ball and I'm like my head, damn, 193 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: Like I get to run down his gunner, yeah, and 194 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: then stop the other gunner and then like try to 195 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 3: break the wall and kick off. 196 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: And you know, I was stressing. 197 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: So I played thirteen years, twelve in Chicago, one in Carolina. 198 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: You played for the Saints for I don't know, ten 199 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: fifteen years, and then you played another year or two 200 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: in Carolina. 201 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: You he did twenty two years. Yeah, he did twenty 202 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: two years. He did a bid. 203 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: Uh. You played, you played in you played in Oakland, 204 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: You went to San Francisco, you played in Philly, right, 205 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: and then finally you signed the one day contract. Why 206 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: was it important for you to go back to Oakland 207 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: and signed that one day contract and retire as a Raider. 208 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: And the follow up question is how was it playing 209 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: with Al Davis. 210 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: Or four Dave? Excuse me? Yeah, for al Davis. Yeah, 211 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: I stayed playing with playing for him. Yeah. 212 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 3: The first question why I was important. It was the 213 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: place that raised me, you know what I mean. And 214 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: when I finished, Remember when I left Oakland, we were 215 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 3: in the middle of a strike. We were in the 216 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: middle of a Yeah, the lockout was oh no, no, no, no, no. 217 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: It was like. 218 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: We were in the middle of the strike, and like 219 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: when and I was a free agent, so right when 220 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: it was over, you had like a day, yeah, to 221 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: get with the team because it ended as training camp 222 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 3: was about to start the beginning, and I remember like 223 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 3: being under the gun, make a decision, make a decision. 224 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: And so I made the decision. But it was so quick, 225 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: like the next day I was gone. I was on 226 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: a plane and I felt like I never had the 227 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: opportunity to talk to the Oakland fans. Yeah, I think 228 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: the fans, you know, people like take out a page 229 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 3: in a yeah, do something. So that never happened. And 230 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: I remember when I finished, I was just thinking, like 231 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: this is this was the team that raised me. When 232 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: I was drafted, I played safety. I played safety throughout 233 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: college and you know there was a guy Poindexter played 234 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: for Virginia in college. Yeah. Yeah, Anthony Poindexter. He was 235 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 3: a safety and I used to watch him and I. 236 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 2: Was like, oh, yeah, I played one of the n 237 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: C double A game. Yeah, really good. That's right, Yeah, 238 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: that's right, that's right. 239 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: He So he was nicely played with with Tiki and 240 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: those guys, and so I would watch him and I said, Okay, 241 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 3: I want to be a safety. I want to hit, 242 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: I want to play in space. I did not want 243 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: to be out there by myself at all. 244 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: By any means. So I devoted myself to plan safety. 245 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: Thought I figured it out, ended up getting drafted, and 246 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: I get there and and then Al Davis tells me, 247 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: we're going to move you to the corner. 248 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: What do you know? What I mean? 249 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: Like, this isn't that's not my haven't you seen my 250 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: tape play safety? I'm the next Poindexter. And he's like, yeah, 251 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: you're gonna play corner and you're gonna figure it out. 252 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: And I struggled. I remember struggling my rookie year and 253 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: having to figure it out. I mean what I became, 254 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 3: you know, all the things that happened in Oakland and 255 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: just realizing that journey that happened there and to never 256 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: be able to to say thank you in any sort 257 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: of way to the fan base, to the organization. Stayed 258 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 3: with me, and so when I finished, I wanted to 259 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: go back there and sort of do it what I 260 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: felt was the right way with the team that brought 261 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: me up. 262 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: That was your first time ever playing corner when you 263 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: got drafted by the Raiders, Well, I played. 264 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: So in high school you played, yeah, And in college 265 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: there were a few games where we had like a 266 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: taller receiver, I think my senior year where there'd be like, 267 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 3: you know, go out and check that receiver. The hell 268 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: I didn't know what I was I got you doing? 269 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: And so then when I got to Oakland, it was 270 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: the first And so you got to imagine you get 271 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: drafted to play a position, to play cornerback at in 272 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 3: my position, what was the most difficult place in the 273 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: league to play the position because they didn't care about you, 274 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like it was You're gonna 275 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: be out there by yourself the whole game, Like there's 276 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 3: no we're gonna there's no one that's under you, there's 277 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: no one on top of you, There's just one guy 278 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: in the middle. And so I had to learn how 279 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: to play the position there, which was even more trying 280 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 3: for me. So yeah, that was the first time that 281 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: I had ever sort of had to figure out the 282 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: cornerback position. But to our earlier point, I don't remember 283 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: if we were recording at this point, but you know, 284 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: I had Charles there, I had Rod there. I had 285 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: people that had played the game that I could look 286 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: to and sort of gain some knowledge about the position. 287 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: Did you think that those players taught you more about footwork? 288 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: What technique thing do you think that you learned early 289 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: that was like, okay, that was like huge for me 290 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: to help take my game to the next level. 291 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great question. There's two things. 292 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: So there's one specific thing with Rod. Rod was he's 293 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 3: gonna kill me if I'm putting years on him. But 294 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: I think he was in like his seventeenth year. Yeah, 295 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 3: it was, Yes, he was. He was going I mean 296 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: he had need like yeah, fake knees and fake he 297 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: was playing safety at the time. He was safety, and 298 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: so I sat my rookie year. I sat next to 299 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: Rod when we would have big dB meetings. I'll never 300 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: forget it was like the first second day and the 301 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 3: coach was up there. He was going over schemes and plays. 302 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: So he's talking about cover two. 303 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: How you do this? Think? 304 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: Look over to Rod rod Is in his book that 305 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: the top sets covered two. Bottom He's got exits and 306 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: the o's. 307 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is his seventeenth year. 308 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: What is he I sort of looked at him and 309 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: he kind of looked at me, saw me notice, and 310 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: he said, you always take notes. I was like, okay, 311 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 3: and and more so for him. My rookie year, I 312 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: was always taking notes, but then it became routine, and 313 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 3: then throughout my career it was habit. It was notes 314 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: on players, it was notes on what we're doing, it 315 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: was notes on whatever. So that was the big thing 316 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: I think from him. But overall we have time because 317 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 3: I got I got stories. 318 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, tell your story. That's what people show up for overall. 319 00:15:53,680 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 3: So the question of like what you learn, we we 320 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: so what I learned? 321 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: Let me tell you this? 322 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 3: All the all the first year and the second year 323 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: players would be in a room, we'd we'd watch film 324 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: with the coaches. When they would see Charles or Rod 325 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 3: or someone make a play, they would say, and you 326 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: guys probably are familiar with this. They would say, now 327 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 3: that's a great play. And they turn to us and say, 328 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: but you don't do it like that. Every time, every 329 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: time happen all the time. Charles would make a play, 330 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: Rod make players like, great play, great play, That's not 331 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: how we do it. 332 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: Okay, guys, that's not how we do it. 333 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: And they keep and they keep it moving, and so 334 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: I was like, what is this thing that they Why 335 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: do they keep saying that's not how we do it. 336 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: So we would go to practice as rookies and second 337 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: year players. You know, you know what synchronized swimming is. 338 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: We would look like that on the field. We would 339 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: you know, you have the left leg back right apps 340 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: you break forward. 341 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: You bet. 342 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: There was a system. There was a way to play 343 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 3: the cornerback position. And so I tried to learn because 344 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 3: I was like, they draft me in the first round. 345 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 3: I need to figure this thing out. So I did 346 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: every single thing that they told me that the group 347 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: of us were doing. It was fifteen or silver. I 348 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 3: wasn't gaining any traction. I'll make a play here or there. 349 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 3: You know, I'm like, I'm taller than all the rest 350 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: of these, Like I can't there's things they're doing. 351 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, how is this possible? 352 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 3: So I'm going into my I think it was my 353 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 3: second year, second ord. Yes, going into my second year. 354 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: We had a coach that told me, this off season, 355 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 3: I want you to study all of the greats, study 356 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: the best corners. 357 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: Whoever you think those guys are. We have tapes. 358 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 3: Go upstairs, find the tapes like this this off season, 359 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: spring summer and tell me and come can tell me 360 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 3: what you notice. And I did that. You name the guy. 361 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: I studied him, watching everything. I need to figure out 362 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 3: how to play this position. And the thing that stood 363 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: out to me was they were all great. They were 364 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: all making plays, but none of them. 365 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: Looked the same. 366 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 3: They were all distinctly different than the other person, you 367 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 3: know what I mean. 368 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: And so. 369 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 3: Wait, they're not doing the the synchronized swimming thing that 370 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 3: we've been this that was how I was taught. Yeah, 371 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 3: And so I come back and I realized I started 372 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 3: to learn what made me comfortable in the position. 373 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 374 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: And I developed, with the help of some teammates, my 375 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 3: own way to play, because they were going to ask 376 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 3: us to play press man, it's going to be ninety game, 377 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: so I had to figure out how to do that. 378 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: So there was a way that I played the game 379 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 3: that was different from my teammates. And I remember when 380 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: I started to take off my second Yeah, and to 381 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 3: the top of my third year, never forget for watching film. 382 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 3: I made the play coach turn to the rookies. Great play, 383 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: but we don't like that, and. 384 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: I made made it. I got it. 385 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: So the thing that I learned was we're all talented. 386 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: You know, we're in the NFL. We can all do it. 387 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 3: But the faster you figure out who you are in 388 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 3: the game and how you fit, the better it'll go 389 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 3: for you. 390 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: You know what, Yeah, I do. 391 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: And that's a great transition to what we're here today doing, 392 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: which is, uh, you know about this podcast and Thomas, 393 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: you know, break out your tissues if you need to, 394 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: but you know it's really all about you really helped 395 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: inspire this whole deal here, the idea of really giving 396 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: the platform to former players talking about that transition and 397 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: actually finding an outlet, whether the space or talking about 398 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, the transition of what they do in finding 399 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 1: some kind of joy or happiness after football is all 400 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: said and done, because at some point that happens for 401 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: all of us, and you really talking about that helped 402 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: really inspire this. 403 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 2: And so how is that possible for you? 404 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: Like where did you see that kind of transition or 405 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: how did you see that would play out in your 406 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: own life? 407 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 2: Well, first, I appreciate it. 408 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 3: I didn't realize until we started the show how instrumental 409 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 3: or influential I was in beginning this show until I 410 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 3: heard from Thomas, And so that makes me happy, you 411 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 3: know what I mean. Yeah, because anyway you can and 412 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 3: be of service, I think it's a beautiful thing. 413 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: The transition is tough. 414 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the transition is because what happens is you 415 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: were already sort of spoken on it, but you're going 416 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 3: from a constant energy that's around you, from the crowd, 417 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: from your teammates, from people in the streets. 418 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, that's your feeling. 419 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 3: Whether it's positive, whatever it is, you're feeling that, you know, 420 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 3: and that's a daily thing for you. And then it 421 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 3: all ends, and you know. 422 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: Where'd everybody go? Yeah? 423 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 3: You know, like, hey, guys, you know I'm still here. 424 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: And that's a difficult thing. I don't know if everyone 425 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 3: deals with it, but I definitely dealt with it just 426 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: trying to figure out who I was without the game. 427 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 3: I'm sure this comes up a lot in this podcast 428 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: right that people were going through the moment of identity 429 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 3: crisis and like, oh, who I am. I've done this 430 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 3: almost my whole life up until this point, and now 431 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 3: you tell me I'm not. Now I'm not doing it anymore. 432 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 3: So what do I do? And I definitely went through that. 433 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: I think it's unfair to say I went through it. 434 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 3: I think i'd say I'm getting better, you know what 435 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 3: I mean. I haven't crossed over into like glory land 436 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 3: where it's like it doesn't cross my mind, You're just 437 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 3: never going to get it again. But speaking to some guys, 438 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: Ronnie Lott was instrumental in this, annieas Williams even. 439 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: For great energy guys. 440 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, he was great energy guy. 441 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: I've met him a couple of times. 442 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: A yeah, yeah, yeah, that's like he's Louisiana, right, yeah, yeah, 443 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 3: And just just getting some words from them which were 444 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 3: along the same lines, which were whatever you do next, 445 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 3: go into it with the same further the same sort 446 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 3: of energy that you went into football, you know, and 447 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: then you'll see the results. And so that's what I've 448 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 3: tried to do. But there's a strong period in there 449 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 3: where it was like, uh, what is going on? 450 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: What was that? 451 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: What was that low period? What was that low period? 452 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: And you know that's not actually did you ever get 453 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: out of it? Because you said you're still you're getting 454 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: better at it, So how are you climbing out of that? 455 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 3: I'm out of the low, okay, but I'm not out 456 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 3: of the fog. 457 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I mean? 458 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: I think the low was. There are stages of grief, right, 459 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 3: and I hit those stages. You know, I think there's 460 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 3: seven stages, right. I probably had eight or nine. 461 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: You know. I threw a couple of there just for 462 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: good measure. 463 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: But the you know, I don't know what the first 464 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: one is, but the nile is in there, like no, no, everything, 465 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 3: you know, you good? Yeah, I'm good, but there's no 466 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 3: you know, like there's no issue. 467 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: I guess what I did. 468 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm good, Yeah, I'm good, just 469 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: blinded by it's so true you're not good? 470 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, no, not at all. I mean. 471 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: And I also the period of my life where I 472 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: didn't talk, you know, which is also an issue for 473 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: and I think a lot of us. So there wasn't 474 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: much communication to anyone about like and I missed the game. 475 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: I don't know what to do next, and I don't 476 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 3: you know, I'm waking up in the morning like I 477 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 3: don't have a drive for anything. There's nothing pushing me 478 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: forward to the next step. So then I'll just end 479 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 3: the day and wait until I go to sleep and 480 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: see if something comes the next day. And then you're 481 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: kind of getting to a routine where nothing's happening. I 482 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: started to have, you know, at that point, I had kids, 483 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 3: and that I think took a lot of the focus. 484 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 3: So that's that could sort of keep me through that. 485 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time with the kids, do 486 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 3: whatever I can in that world, and then I'll be 487 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: good and let's wait till the next day. If I 488 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: went through that, it was you know it. You know, 489 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 3: I strugg to sort of like throw it away. But 490 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 3: it was a difficult, difficult period. And then I figured 491 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 3: out what I what I wanted to try to do, 492 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: and I started to fall in love with that, and 493 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: so I so the low started to get higher and 494 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: I started to get out of that space. But I 495 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: didn't do it on my own. I actually find a thing. 496 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: So I don't know that i've that I necessarily did 497 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 3: all the work, but I found a thing and it 498 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: helped me sort of grow out of where I was. 499 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: So, I know, I know for me, I kind of 500 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: went through my little funk of trying to figure out 501 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: what I want to do, and then I found something. 502 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm happy, but I don't know 503 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: if I would want to do this right now. And 504 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: then it was just me trying to you know, you're 505 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: trying to figure other things out. But really, what what 506 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: helps you is you know we all have a support system, 507 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: well most people they have a support system, right, So 508 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: talk about what and who your support system was that 509 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: help you get you through that dark time. 510 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I have a I have a praying family. 511 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 3: It's just that's how we grew up for sure. This 512 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 3: is what it is. From my wife, to my mom, 513 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: to my grandma, to everyone and my family. 514 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 2: That's what they do. 515 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 3: And so that was sort of the thing that I 516 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 3: could always go back to that would sort. 517 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 2: Of give me a little bit of strength. 518 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: And you know, so it was really family support that 519 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 3: would that would get me through those moments. And they 520 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: didn't even know they you know what I mean, Yeah, 521 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 3: they didn't even because you didn't communicate, No, no, not 522 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 3: at all. They had They had no clue. They were like, 523 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 3: oh great, you know they'll be like, oh man, can 524 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 3: you believe what you've accomplished in your life and all 525 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 3: these sort of things. But I never communicated that I 526 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 3: am lost. I don't know what's next, you know what 527 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 3: I mean. But their support, even in me not communicating anything, 528 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 3: was I think what got me through. 529 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: So what's the biggest misconception with players once they get 530 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: out of the league, Like the opinion of players once 531 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: they get out of the league that they got to 532 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: figure it out, or that we don't we can only 533 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: play football, or even like you was like, why when 534 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: when they're most quiet, that's when we should check on 535 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 1: them the most. 536 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 3: Ooh, that's interesting, that's there's actually something to that. 537 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, because here you say it, I would think, like, 538 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: you know what, it is something to that the teammate 539 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: I haven't heard from in the longest, it's probably one 540 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: I might need to check out. 541 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 542 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 3: And I get it too when I hear certain things 543 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 3: about guys that were struggling. This guy went down that path, 544 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 3: or this guy didn't have any money anymore, this guy 545 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: got it da da da dam Like to I completely 546 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: get it. I see it. You know when I was playing, 547 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 3: I don't know that I could have seen it. 548 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 2: You know. I look at that and I'm like, oh, 549 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: come on, guys. You know, you just played in the NFL. 550 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: You can go, you know. 551 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 3: But then when you're in it, it's completely different. And 552 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: you know, and we're finishing playing, we're retiring in our thirties. 553 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the whole life ahead of you, gotcha. But 554 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: you don't know that, No, you don't. You don't think 555 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: you're old because you're not old. Yeah that's right. Yeah, 556 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: that's right. And you're told you're old, and you're told 557 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: you're old. 558 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: You're told you're old, you're old, you're told you're old. Yeah, 559 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: and you get out in the rest of the world 560 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm like the youngest person in the room. 561 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: That's right. And then I'll just tell you my career. 562 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. 563 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 3: And they start to tell you you're so young you 564 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: have right. But it's the first time you heard it, Yes, 565 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 3: you got I'm so used to hearing that you were old. 566 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 2: Correct. 567 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: So there's a rewiring that has to happen, and you 568 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: actually have to hear it enough times for you to realize, oh, no, 569 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 3: I am young. I'm not old. I'm I can do more, 570 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 3: you know, and that's that's we just have to all 571 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 3: get to that place. 572 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the biggest things I've heard 573 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, it was like, you know, 574 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: because I'm in the same as you, Like, I've been 575 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: told I was old, and all of a sudden, everybody 576 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: I've been around it's like way older than me. 577 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 2: Actually I'm very young. 578 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: Actually, look at the you know, according to bank statements, 579 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's kind of like very young compared to 580 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people that have this amount or whatever 581 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: it is. And that's what football is blessed us with. 582 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: And then you know, they say, you know what, actually, 583 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: in most people's careers, the biggest years of income generating 584 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: years are in your forty something to fit, It's like 585 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: it's like that's your biggest years. So like you're just 586 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: you didn't even hit it yet. It's right there at it. 587 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 3: You hear it the statistics and it's like forty five 588 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 3: to yeah, fifty five or six wow, okay, yeah, so 589 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: there's even more you're right, Yeah, you know, And I 590 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 3: don't think people talk about that enough because in our 591 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: real world that conversation has never had. 592 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: But I guess in everybody else's locker room that conversations 593 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: had all the time. You got to work to this. 594 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: Then when you get here, man, you're gonna really enjoy it. Yeah, 595 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: this is the sweet spot. When you say everybody else's 596 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: locker room, what do you mean really questions? Yeah, yes, yes, yes, 597 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: got it, got it, yeah, acting all these others like 598 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: by the time you really figured it out and hit it, 599 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: that's where you're at stage. It's just we're just we've 600 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: been told for so long. Just in the opposite end, 601 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: we just don't know it. And like you said, the 602 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: communication part of it is huge because we do not 603 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: hear that, yeah. 604 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and we'll be 605 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: right back. 606 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: So do now that you're retired and you're in the 607 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: acting business, do you have players former players when they 608 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: when they get out, do they heat you up for 609 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: do they heat you up for advice? 610 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: And if you do give advice, what do you tell them? 611 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 3: I've had like a handful, And I think even when 612 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 3: I was playing, there was something I don't know if 613 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 3: it's like taboo or something, there was something about it 614 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: that guys would would talk about like oh, oh I 615 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 3: could I want to go into acting. I want to 616 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: go into but you couldn't. 617 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: Really. 618 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 3: It wasn't really like announced. It was like on the side, oh, 619 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 3: I'm going to go into and so. And I've seen 620 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 3: that not a lot of people go are going into it. 621 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 3: I've had a couple of people, like a handful of 622 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: people that have reached out and like, hey, I'm trying 623 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 3: to get into this. So I'd give advice, which is 624 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: basically choose another professor. 625 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: But I'll stick. 626 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 3: With them because it is a very I mean, it's 627 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 3: like anything else. It's it's very difficult. But I'll sort 628 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 3: of give them the tools that I had that I 629 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 3: figured out along the way and what could help them. 630 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 3: But it's such a tough profession in that if there's 631 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 3: any bit of fragility in your spirit, you will be 632 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 3: done in like half a minute. The amount of like 633 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 3: rejection and the amount of like, now you know what 634 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,479 Speaker 3: I mean, it's tough. It's a lot of that. 635 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: It's a lot of that. 636 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 3: I have thick skin. Yeah, you gotta have thick skin. 637 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 3: And we learned we sort of developed that playing football, 638 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: so we're able to understand, Okay, there's another day. This 639 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 3: didn't work out, Okay, let's see how we can get 640 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 3: better and move to the Do you. 641 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: Receive good feedback in those rejections or is it just 642 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: a reject It depends. It depends if they because I've 643 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: never been in that room. I haven't either. Is it 644 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: kind of like, oh my god, you were so great, 645 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: but I were to go for somebody else, thank you, 646 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: bye bye kind of like that, or. 647 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: Is it yeah? I mean you'll get a polite when 648 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: they reject you. 649 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 3: They won't necessarily do it like to your face in 650 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 3: the room. They don't say that. It'll be on their face, 651 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 3: but they won't. They won't say to you, and then 652 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 3: you'll get a call that, oh, this didn't work out 653 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: and this is the reason why. But they also have 654 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 3: like the boiler like they have their list of things 655 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 3: that they can say, and oh, we're gonna go with 656 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: someone more experienced. Oh we're gonna go with you know. 657 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: So you hear the standard things. You don't really get true. 658 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: Feedback, so you just have to what's sorry I do? 659 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 2: You just have to figure it out. So what's been 660 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: tough for football or acting? Well? 661 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 3: For me, there's nothing I haven't experienced anything tougher than 662 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 3: having to learn the cornerback position. 663 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, so I would say football. 664 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 3: I think I don't want to take anything away from 665 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 3: acting because it is extremely difficult. I think it's crazy 666 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 3: when I hear people say like acting is easiest, Like 667 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 3: that camera turns on and you have to disappear. It's 668 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 3: like be in your own space. It's very difficult. But 669 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 3: football is its own. Football is like mind, body, soul, spirit. 670 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, those you. 671 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 3: Know, everything is involved, and it's just a different type 672 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 3: of grind and it's tough. 673 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough. It's like next level tough. We should act. 674 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: Let's get some coaches and start acting. Yeah, well we 675 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: just we've heard multiple things about a acting coach today, 676 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: so because we actually knew zero about it up until today. 677 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: So it's been real interesting. We've been learning, you've been learning. Yeah, 678 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: we're trying to research. Listen, we're doing our research. It's 679 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: never too late. 680 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: Okay. 681 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,439 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, you know, let's do it, let's act. 682 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: I think I may have aged out, but. 683 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 2: You're still young. You're still young. 684 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that I received that you 685 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: don't look it, but he receives it. He don't look it, 686 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 1: but he received it all right. So you're talking about 687 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 1: how hard it is, and I mean, dude, you knocked 688 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: it out of the park. Honestly you did. And your 689 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: rolling Crown heights because you maybe give us you know, 690 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: you were what was that you were? You were out 691 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: the gate. You they said you're the next rising star. 692 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: You want a couple other you know, we're mentioned a 693 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: couple of award things off of that, Uh, take us 694 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: into that role, like how did you get prepared for it? 695 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: Why was it? Like what made that one so special 696 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: for you? And like how did you really? 697 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 2: Like? 698 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: I think it's special whenever I talked to her or 699 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: meet a person that's an actor quote unquote, because they're 700 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: not themselves and like how do you how do you ever? 701 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, like how do you get into character? Yeah? 702 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: Amaze, but yeah, and they're a completely different person. 703 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 2: Than who they are. I'm innocent. 704 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: My friend is you know, like and you got the 705 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: accent and everything, like you just gotta you got the 706 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: cool little accent that, Yeah, how do you do that? 707 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 3: It's so that project is interesting because I was going 708 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 3: through it and I was trying to figure out because 709 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 3: nothing was working out and I'm like, all right, this 710 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 3: isn't Maybe this isn't the thing. I had tried so 711 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 3: many things, man, like real estate, like I have gone 712 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 3: through like okay, what is what is out there? And 713 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 3: this wasn't really working out. So I remember I like 714 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 3: the emails, like I had a list of like one 715 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 3: hundred directors and in an acting class, like if I 716 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 3: come in, everyone's like acting class, is he gonna act like? 717 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 2: Is he? 718 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 3: And so you have to do that in front of 719 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 3: people when they're like now watching every single movement because 720 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 3: they know you from another life. 721 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: So it's difficult. 722 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 3: So I had reached out to these hundred directors, and 723 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 3: you know, I was getting advice that they're gonna look 724 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 3: at you as a football player. They're not gonna nobody's 725 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 3: gonna respond. I said, let me try. I reached out. 726 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 3: I got one response about them out of a hundred. 727 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 3: I said, I was going to give this thing six months. 728 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 3: Doesn't if I don't. If I don't feel something in 729 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 3: the six months, then I'll then this wasn't it. And uh, 730 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 3: And I started feeling things along the way and I 731 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 3: got one response and the guy was like, oh, this 732 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 3: is great to hear we got into we had a 733 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 3: couple of calls and then I don't. 734 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 2: Know what ghosting is. 735 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it just I was like, what's up. I'm like, yo, 736 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 3: I'm still trying to do this. So he disappeared on me. 737 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 3: And so I remember the day I said, all right, 738 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 3: that's it. 739 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 2: I'm done. 740 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 3: Figure something else out. Maybe it's a different part of 741 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 3: the business that I do, but it's not gonna be this. 742 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 3: It's not gonna be a you know what I mean. 743 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 3: So I put it down and guy's my witness. Was 744 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 3: like a week later and I get an email about 745 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 3: this role this film. The guy like, hey, we're doing 746 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 3: this film any interest? Like, yeah, I was done. I'm like, yeah, 747 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 3: let me let me try. And so I went out, 748 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 3: we did an audition for it, ended up getting the 749 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 3: role and coming on to help produce and yeah, that 750 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 3: was it. But it it to get into that character. 751 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 3: I mean, it's I mean, we could be here for 752 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: days talking about that. But I know for the audition, 753 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 3: the accent that I have in the film, I had 754 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 3: to bring that into the audition and they these guys 755 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 3: didn't expect it, so they thought I was just going 756 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 3: to come in as me and I just got some 757 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 3: advice from the acting coach that I worked with. They said, 758 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 3: use the Trinidadian accent in the room. But I'm not 759 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 3: talking about when they say action, Yeah, the whole time, 760 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 3: the moment you step in. And so I stepped in 761 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 3: the room like like how I stepped in and shook 762 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 3: hands and stuff. It was in an accent and they 763 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 3: immediately were like he walked any character, you know what 764 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 3: I mean? Like they and so I was like all right, 765 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 3: and so I was in and then all the way 766 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 3: to the car, I was even when they said bye, 767 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 3: I was still in. I never dropped that thing. 768 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: I love it. 769 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it came back. It was like within 770 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 3: a couple of days, like yeah, got it, Yeah. 771 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 2: The commitment, Yeah yeah. Kilt it ki. 772 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah with a tea that's black right there, that's that's 773 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: the kilt it with a t He killed that. 774 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 2: Like how you say five? Fine? Taylor says, oh yeah 775 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 2: that was fire, Like that's five. Yeah, That's what I'm 776 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 2: talking about. 777 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: Hey, that's far so not only can you act, but 778 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: when did you know that you know? 779 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 2: I can lead? 780 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: Like when you was it a Sylvie's Love, Like when 781 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,439 Speaker 1: did you know you can like lead? Or be the lead, 782 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: the main character in a movie. 783 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 3: When did you know that I came in with that mentality, 784 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 3: Like I came in that I'm not the side part, 785 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 3: Like I'm not the one they came when I first 786 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 3: got in, I would they would send me out on 787 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 3: auditions and it would be for the football player, right something, 788 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? 789 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: And so I because you spot the game, you did 790 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: a spot in the game, different spot, you know, you 791 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: were playing that. So I was playing them, but this 792 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,439 Speaker 1: was but this was the thing that they wanted when 793 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: I was done right right, Yeah, So I would you know, 794 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you're the one that brings the beer 795 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: into the party and then you know, you grunt and 796 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: you hey, guys, I got the beer. And you know, 797 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: I was like, eh, they say, do it like a 798 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: football player, and I'm like, I'm doing it. 799 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 2: How I do it? 800 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 3: I actually did play And so that just wasn't I 801 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,479 Speaker 3: knew that wasn't the lame for me. So I just said, 802 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 3: let me sort of figure it out. I knew that 803 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 3: there were lead parts. I knew that there were this 804 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 3: is what we do. You know, you were both captains 805 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,959 Speaker 3: on your teams, like probably we all were captains since 806 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 3: Pop Warner or since high school. What we know how 807 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 3: to do is lead. That's just it's it's innate. And 808 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 3: even coming into that business, even knowing nothing, I knew 809 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 3: that I'm a leader. Yeah, whether it's the role that 810 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 3: I'm playing or the team that I'm built around. So 811 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 3: that's why it was always in mind in my head, 812 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 3: in my mind. 813 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,439 Speaker 1: Another big part of your story is your philanthropy work. 814 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: So your foundation, the awesome WAH Foundations and so you 815 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 1: got the orphans and orphans and window widows in need 816 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: or call it a owen. And then you also have 817 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: to act, so the awesome WAH college tour of scholarships 818 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,240 Speaker 1: and so I just like, how much of that part 819 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,720 Speaker 1: do you want that to be known as your legacy? 820 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: And I know it's a huge part of your life. 821 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,240 Speaker 1: Like I think this is outstanding. I didn't know about 822 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: this until I did a dig dive in especially about 823 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: the college tours. 824 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 2: That's just so cool, bro. 825 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: I mean the fact that you're taking kids and you're 826 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: taking them to Howard, You're taking them down to Louisiana. 827 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: You did a whole tour out there. You've been on 828 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: the East Coast, you've taken them all down to the 829 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: West coast. We didn't do Opportunities. 830 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 2: You didn't do U. Well, you did LSU, you did Xavier. 831 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: You also did Southern and so yeah, yeah, yeah did 832 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,439 Speaker 1: two lanes and another grade school. 833 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 2: So I just thought that was when I saw that. 834 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, that is brilliant because and not only that, 835 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: but all the kids are going off and doing other 836 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: things once. 837 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 2: They go through your program. 838 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: Soun the impact that you're making on these young people's lives. 839 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: I know it's big, but I want to hear from 840 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: your words on how much it is an impact on 841 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: you and how important in philanthropy has been in your 842 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: life too, Ligit. I'm sure it's been down you just 843 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: don't grow into this. I'm sure it's about your parents 844 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, yeah, they definitely played a big role. 845 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 1: You know, both of my parents growing up. My dad 846 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: died when I was twelve. Sorry, yeah, I appreciate it. 847 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 3: But even before that, I watched him in his philanthropic 848 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 3: efforts and he was helping out and stuff. So it 849 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 3: definitely played a role. But the college tour, that's so 850 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 3: good to my heart. 851 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 2: It seems like it's awesome. 852 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 3: Man, that thing is Derek Brooks, you know, yeah, of 853 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 3: course all of fame dB. He So he was doing 854 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 3: a tour, but not a tour. I guess it's doing 855 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 3: a trip for some kids. And he took them to 856 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,720 Speaker 3: it must have been like South Africa. They went somewhere. 857 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 3: And I caught this. I said, he took some kids 858 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 3: on that trip to So I said, why would he? 859 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 3: I just thought about it, and I was like, I 860 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 3: love to travel. I would love to give back in 861 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 3: some sort of way. And I was like, I want 862 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 3: to do something like that. And he and I've told 863 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 3: him this that he would that he influenced, you know, 864 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 3: what I do with these kids. But at that point 865 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 3: I wanted an angle. I was in East Oakland, and 866 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 3: I knew that there were so many bright kids in 867 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 3: Oakland that were never going to get out of Oakland 868 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 3: because they they just don't know anybout it. 869 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: They don't they don't know that there's an out. 870 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okland. This is all they know. This is 871 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 2: all they see. They can't see past that. That's right. 872 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 3: And they got great grades, great personnelity, great people. And 873 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 3: you start to talk to them and they're like, no, 874 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 3: I gotta I'll probably after graduate I'll take care of 875 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 3: my grandma, and then I'm going to take care of 876 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 3: my my nieces, and then I gotta also take care 877 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 3: of X y Z and all right, but what about Yeah, 878 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 3: who's taking care of you? 879 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 2: Yep? 880 00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 3: Right, And I would get these students to get Then 881 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 3: I said, look, we're going on tours. We're going across 882 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 3: the country. We'll go to different states and different cities. 883 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 3: And I do it every year, new students every year, 884 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 3: junior sophomores in high school. Let's go, let's check out 885 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 3: the colleges. We put them in touch with the colleges. 886 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 3: They many of them end up going to those schools, 887 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 3: getting scholarships from us from them. It just turned into 888 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 3: a huge thing that till this day and now COVID 889 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 3: struck us. When COVID hit, that was the first time 890 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 3: we hadn't done it in years, and so we had 891 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 3: to take a break and now where we're back on 892 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 3: doing the tours again and it's been Yeah, that's a 893 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 3: great that one's. 894 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: Like, I would love to team up bring some to Alabama. Dog, 895 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: I know, East Oakland. I don't know if they're ready 896 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: to come to Alabama Crimson time, but hey, I mean 897 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: it's not bad. 898 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,799 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. College education. I like you. I'm 899 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 2: with you. I'm with you. 900 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,799 Speaker 3: You've been al I've been there, I mean driven by it, 901 00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 3: You've driven through. 902 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 2: Buy it. 903 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 1: I ain't stay there, ain't got Alabama. Aint got nothing 904 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: for me. Bust some red clay. We got a lot 905 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: of red dirt. Yeah, his red dirt, a. 906 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 2: Lot of that. I stay down in louis An. I'm good. 907 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 2: It's all good. I said down the Southwest, baby to 908 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 2: buy you. 909 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,839 Speaker 1: It's all good in the boot. It's all good. Man, 910 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: yell at too much. How did this connection happen? 911 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 2: We were teammates. We're teammates. 912 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then uh, Peanut recruited me. 913 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 2: Oh, because this is my dog man, I know. I 914 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 2: give him like you can tell you can tell it. 915 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 2: That's that's my god. Yeah. 916 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: We have you ever seen the show grumpyr old Man, 917 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: the movie Grumpy? Oh yeah yeah yeah, Jack Lemon watching 918 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: like this is us. Like he's older, but we grumpy 919 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 1: and happy all at the same time. 920 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 2: Like I love it. 921 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna be fighting just we're gonna be na. Yeah, 922 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: this is how we gonna all of our kids got 923 00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: cool now. 924 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,359 Speaker 2: It's like it's a whole Yeah, it's a whole scene. 925 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 3: You know in life when they when Martin and then 926 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy. 927 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, like messing with each other. That's Roman. I this 928 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 2: is that's Roman. I. I want to know this though. 929 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: Did you really choose to major in finance at Berkeley 930 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,320 Speaker 1: because of Eddie Murphy's character in Boomerang? 931 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,240 Speaker 2: Wow? Good for you. You didn't. 932 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 3: Now, I don't know if you did the deep dive 933 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 3: or Thomas Thomas did the deep Give Thomas that bone, dude, 934 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 3: Thomas did it? 935 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 2: Thomas is dope. 936 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,239 Speaker 1: First of all, Thomas has studied you, Okay, like the 937 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: back of his own hand. Thomas is good. A's good 938 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,840 Speaker 1: as there's no doubt about it. Shout out to Thomas. 939 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,439 Speaker 1: But we went to Howard question. 940 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 2: He went to Howard, did Howard you have taken your 941 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,319 Speaker 2: He's got to building named after us? No, I'm lying. 942 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 2: I made I made that up, but that was I 943 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 2: made that part up. But it sounded a great. It's 944 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 2: not great. I should have kept it going. We should 945 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 2: I should have ken't be believed that. 946 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: I didn't believe I. 947 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 2: Was acting. I was in Kings. Sure, I love it. 948 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:07,320 Speaker 2: I love it. Oh my god. Yeah, so that, yes, 949 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,800 Speaker 2: I watched boom Rate. Great movie. 950 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Boomerang, great movie, that's right, And I watched it 951 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: and I tell people like, it's not the not the 952 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: best reason to choose a major, but I probably him. 953 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, this student, he's right, like 954 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, he's got it all. He's 955 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 2: got it all figured out, all figured out, stra all 956 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,800 Speaker 2: day straja. 957 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 3: And so I went into I was finishing in high 958 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 3: school and they said, what do you want to major 959 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 3: when you go to college? 960 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,320 Speaker 2: And I said, marketing. 961 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 3: You know, I wanted to be in like the marketing 962 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 3: sort of the business, the finance world. And it was 963 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 3: because of Eddie Murphy and Boomerang. And then I got 964 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 3: to college and I didn't get into the. 965 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,839 Speaker 2: Business school, so I couldn't do market it. 966 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 3: So I did some classes that qualified me for getting 967 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,760 Speaker 3: the finance degree. But yeah, that was my inspiration. 968 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah. 969 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, last question, no, no, no, because I got to 970 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: know this, Thomas gonna be mad. 971 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 2: I don't look at him. I don't care. I don't care, 972 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,360 Speaker 2: I don't care. Here we go. You ready, This is 973 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,359 Speaker 2: the last question, the last This is the last question. 974 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,359 Speaker 2: This will be the last question. 975 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 1: No, it's not. We're going to ask you the real 976 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,440 Speaker 1: one one. We always but I'm getting this in. Tell 977 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: me this. You learn how to play the saxophone for 978 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: Sylvie's Love, Well, then right, do you still play it? 979 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: And I also want to know because I heard the 980 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 1: whole eighteen month process was a process not only for 981 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,800 Speaker 1: you but everybody else. 982 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 2: That had to hear you playing. 983 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was because you traveled with I want 984 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: to knowhe plane took Yeah. I want to know are 985 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 1: they still like are they over that? 986 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 2: Like? And so how did how is that whole thing 987 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 2: going like for the whole family? I think that's awesome. 988 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 2: I don't play anymore. Oh, I know. 989 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,359 Speaker 1: That was such a he would say like, oh yeah, 990 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: I saw like you know, when the balloon, Like I 991 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 1: just thought. 992 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,240 Speaker 2: I was like, he's still plays, he's committed. Yeah exactly. 993 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Guys, No, I don't. I don't play. 994 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 3: But my son every now and then he'll jump in 995 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 3: there and he's six, and he'll jump in there and 996 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 3: he'll see it and he'll start trying to play something. 997 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,399 Speaker 2: So okay, I'll get him into yeah, but I don't 998 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 2: let it go. 999 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: All right, go ahead with your last question I had 1000 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,840 Speaker 1: last question, last question. 1001 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 2: So we asks this question to a lot of our guests. 1002 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 3: I don't want the question for a lot of the guests. 1003 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,759 Speaker 3: I want to this is our main question. This is 1004 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 3: our main questions. 1005 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 2: Spin it. 1006 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,760 Speaker 1: Okay, So this is the first time we've ever asked 1007 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: this question. Making it up off the fly, are you no? No? 1008 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, making it I love when he goes 1009 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,840 Speaker 2: off the totally off the cuff. 1010 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 1: So Mount Rushmore, Right, there's four people on Mount Rushmore 1011 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 1: in life. They've helped you, acting, coaching, playing, producing, philanthropy, whatever. 1012 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 1: If you could put four people on you or Mount Rushmore, 1013 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 1: who would they be? 1014 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 2: Oh okay, that was all right? 1015 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,800 Speaker 3: Yeah you weren't ready for that. 1016 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 2: That's what I'm looking like. I see you. Let's see. 1017 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,360 Speaker 2: I would put Rob Ryan, who was a coach of mine. 1018 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,320 Speaker 1: Nice Bob Bron's got mentioned twice, you got mentioned twice. 1019 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,560 Speaker 2: That's who he is. 1020 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,239 Speaker 3: I mean, I could do a segment on him. 1021 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 2: I would put. I'd have to put my wife on 1022 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 2: the air, of course, shout out. I wanted. 1023 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 3: I actually want to stay away from family because there's 1024 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,399 Speaker 3: so many. I don't want to pick one of those 1025 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,960 Speaker 3: mouse just like six people. Yeah, I had a coach 1026 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 3: named Eden Bernardi. She was an acting coach that passed away. 1027 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,799 Speaker 3: I would have to put Alonzo Carter. He's now coach 1028 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 3: at San Jose State. But what has just been a 1029 00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:02,799 Speaker 3: mentor throughout Well you see my football shape? Yeah, because 1030 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,080 Speaker 3: you only get four, and so I've put two football related, 1031 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 3: one acting. I can't put family. Oh, I'll take my 1032 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,520 Speaker 3: wife up because I don't want to put family. 1033 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,439 Speaker 1: So the last person is great question. I was off 1034 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: the coffin that what happened. It's like a freestyle I 1035 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,319 Speaker 1: can wrap now. 1036 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 2: Oh you know who would be be Andy Reid? Yeah, 1037 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,240 Speaker 2: another great coach. 1038 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,719 Speaker 3: Andy Reid, who who I'm still very close to to 1039 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 3: this day, loves cheeseburgers and loves cheese but also burgers. 1040 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 3: I mean you can look at him and be intimidated. 1041 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 3: The most gentle human being by the figure type of person. 1042 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:42,959 Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, I like that. 1043 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 3: So I think those I'll go with those four because 1044 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 3: I was under the gun if I had a day 1045 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 3: to think about it, or you. 1046 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 2: Don't have I don't know what. You don't have it. 1047 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 2: I don't don't have it. 1048 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 1: You know what, Nandy, dude, this has been awesome. I 1049 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 1050 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:56,200 Speaker 2: It's great. 1051 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm mad it took us so long to meet and 1052 00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 1: we came out in the same draft. 1053 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,720 Speaker 3: Can I say something that is the greatest cornerback draft 1054 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 3: in the history. 1055 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,279 Speaker 2: It is the game it is. Should we go through 1056 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:08,640 Speaker 2: a list? 1057 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Thomas tell him in my ear real quick, So 1058 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: can you pull it up real quick? 1059 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,880 Speaker 2: I'm calling you out. So it was this draft class 1060 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 2: was crazy. 1061 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:24,600 Speaker 1: You Sammy Davis, You, Terrence Newman, Marcus TRUEFANX like Ike Taylor, 1062 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,720 Speaker 1: Andre Wilfork Rashene. 1063 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 2: You said. 1064 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:42,279 Speaker 1: Cookman Cookman, Ken Hamlin from Yeah, Draydon Florence, Bryan Scott Scott, Mike, 1065 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 1: Mike Doss, Terrence Keel from A and M. Yeah, Ricky Manning, 1066 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 1: U C l A, Chris Crocker, you guys, Donald Strickland. 1067 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:59,120 Speaker 1: This was a giant battle. It was a Dennis Fells 1068 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,839 Speaker 1: be They probably we did this earlier. In just the 1069 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 1: first round alone, they took six corners, then they took another, yeah, 1070 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 1: they did, and then they took like the sixth I 1071 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,879 Speaker 1: was the seventh corner taken at the thirty fifth pick. 1072 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 2: And then in the seventh round they took another seven 1073 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 2: corners like they were corner dB heavy in the two 1074 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 2: thousand three draft, it was it was a strong class man. 1075 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what y'all have. 1076 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm sorry, I said I missed eight DB's in 1077 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,279 Speaker 1: the seventh first Oh, I'm sorry in the seventh round 1078 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,000 Speaker 1: eight DB's. 1079 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,640 Speaker 2: What class are you? I'm two thousand and six? Yeah? Six? 1080 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 2: He looked like he was ninety nine? Is he is 1081 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 2: he lying? 1082 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:38,239 Speaker 1: No? 1083 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:39,879 Speaker 2: Thousand and six? 1084 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,279 Speaker 1: Is he telling me truth? I just want everybody know 1085 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,840 Speaker 1: we have never been accused of like so much. You 1086 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,400 Speaker 1: never been accused of list so much. Actors, we're all acting. 1087 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,280 Speaker 1: When you go back and watch this, you'd be like, damn, 1088 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 1: Peanut was really active when he asked you that question. 1089 00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is it. No, the you're off the 1090 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,879 Speaker 2: hot seat. All right. We're gonna let you go man 1091 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 2: with this one. Appreciate it, bro. 1092 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, man, and also all of our 1093 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: listeners and out those out there watching, please continue to 1094 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:10,319 Speaker 1: do that. 1095 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 2: Man. 1096 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,759 Speaker 1: We will continue to bring you nothing but he from 1097 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,440 Speaker 1: all of our guests that we got with us. And 1098 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 1: I just gotta say for all of us, give us 1099 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,520 Speaker 1: a five star rating, please quick follow, give us a 1100 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,279 Speaker 1: shout out, give us a review, if you'd like tell 1101 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,600 Speaker 1: a friend to tell a friend to tell. 1102 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,399 Speaker 2: A friend anywhere you pick up your. 1103 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:33,839 Speaker 1: Podcast, whether it's iHeartRadio or Apple podcast. And with all 1104 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: things being said, Domd, that was the same question we 1105 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:37,960 Speaker 1: asked everybody else. 1106 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I like. 1107 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:52,280 Speaker 1: It, I like it, I love it. He was like, many, 1108 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,760 Speaker 1: I had to go into a replace. 1109 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,800 Speaker 2: Today. You went in ze, I waslonzo. 1110 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,520 Speaker 1: I had to just go I went dark and it 1111 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:11,920 Speaker 1: was so, y'all are liars, actors, actors. We are actors. 1112 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,919 Speaker 1: Did you see how I was really bad? Because yeah, 1113 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,920 Speaker 1: that was that was good. I was like, hey, it's 1114 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,640 Speaker 1: a great support. Yes my height, Oh I love it. Wow, 1115 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,239 Speaker 1: that's my guy. Wow, that's my guy. We pulled it off. 1116 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,439 Speaker 1: I can't we need to act. I'm gonna get y'all. 1117 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,160 Speaker 1: One star said, I'm gonna get I'm gonna go there. 1118 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,560 Speaker 2: Looking as we can edit that part. 1119 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,839 Speaker 1: That was That was awesome. A man, thank you all 1120 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 1: for tuning in. This is the NFL Player Second Acts Podcast. 1121 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm Peanut, that's Roman, that's no and a man. 1122 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,480 Speaker 2: We had a blast. Thank you all for tuning in. 1123 00:56:41,600 --> 00:57:02,600 Speaker 2: God bless y'all. Good night. They baked file B