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Speaker 2: Touchdown Kyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh

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Speaker 2: that was nasty right there, right slam on the ground

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Speaker 2: by fooda baker like a torpedo. He came flying into

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Speaker 2: You know, once again, I'm gonna come with a million

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Speaker 2: even better for Danny Surrek and Darren Irman, because once again,

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Speaker 2: pay podcast is just too darn lazy, too darn inbolent

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Speaker 2: to use a big word to actually make it happen.

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Speaker 2: So I'll let you guys take the idea and run

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Speaker 2: with it and has a lot to do with Darren

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Speaker 2: over here. He's in agony. And you think it's because

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Speaker 2: Pacific Office Automation, it's not really. He's still dealing with

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Speaker 2: withdraws from the draft simulator, and so I'm thinking, what

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Speaker 2: about a schedule simulator? Danny Surrek, I put it to you,

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Speaker 2: what if you used all that same software and you

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Speaker 2: try to simulate an NFL team schedule instead of their

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Speaker 2: draft class all seventeen games.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a lot. When you start taking into account

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Speaker 3: who they're playing and all the other teams that they're playing.

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Speaker 3: That's too much math for me.

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Speaker 4: Do we have a thing on the simulator where that says, okay,

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Speaker 4: you can't have the stadium this day because the rolling

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Speaker 3: Like do we have I want to give us every

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Speaker 3: international game? It depends on, you know, almost every international games.

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Speaker 2: You just see there you go, that would be Danny's

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Speaker 2: see once right there, there's different angles, those different angles.

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Speaker 2: She'd be going to Brazil, she'd be going to Germany,

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Speaker 4: She just sit in her apartment because she's done everything already.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the simulator wouldn't give you the benefit of

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Speaker 2: doing Germany and London back to back. You'd have to

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Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, you wouldn't be so in love.

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Speaker 3: With that, skar, Why would you have to go back?

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Speaker 2: That's so I'm saying. The draft simulator wouldn't wouldn't comply

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Speaker 3: Oh, I see, would.

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Speaker 2: Grant you every wish just like you could.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: We were talking about this a little in the office

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Speaker 3: I really don't think it would be Chicago with Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: For some reason, I don't I don't know Chicago's schedule.

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Speaker 2: I have, because if you were to do a powerpoll

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Speaker 2: going against Denver, right, just like a year ago.

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Speaker 4: I don't have that much against Jayden Daniels after you

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Speaker 2: You need to go a little deeper, a little deeper

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so that that's just one of my gut

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Speaker 2: That is true. You're right. You know those early games

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Speaker 3: Be out right, because Wednesday at five o'clock Arizona time.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say this much. I was reminded, and I'll

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Speaker 3: Isn't it sports? I'm going to say like ninety eight?

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Speaker 2: National Championship for college basketball. As Darren does, you'res truly

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Speaker 2: So, uh, there you go. We have people who do that, Darren.

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Speaker 2: know what was interesting. Kyle Vanenbosch was in here for

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Speaker 3: The second thing's got to be taxes.

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Speaker 4: Now, how many different stories they're gonna They're gonna be

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Speaker 2: Well, at least there's no state tax in Florida this year,

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Speaker 2: so that's good. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's right, the bye.

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Speaker 2: Week, that's the bonus on that one.

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Speaker 3: I can't I can't foresee the league giving the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: It was Week fourteen last year.

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Speaker 4: Have little faith there, Danny.

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Speaker 2: And Week thirteen the year before. So, yes, that is

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Speaker 2: that has been a persistent theme, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: And in terms of primetime games, now once again the

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Speaker 2: you guys are still sticking with two. I'm going with three.

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Speaker 2: That's the forecast over here. You guys talked about that

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Speaker 3: Oh no, something just saying over there.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you, well, we'll get back to the schedule

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Speaker 2: in a minute. Let's just get to whatever he wants

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Speaker 2: to know about, and that is Marvin Harrison Junior. Come on,

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Speaker 2: you guys, I'm out there during the early parts of

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Speaker 2: the first Rookie Mini Camp practice. First impressions, Danny.

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Speaker 4: He knows how to stretch a bucket hat, Paul.

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Speaker 3: That's all. That's all we saw in last Friday's Rookie

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Speaker 3: what they should be doing. That was all we all

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Speaker 3: we got to see. And yes we did learn much too.

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Speaker 3: I would assume nobody's surprise that it doesn't appear like

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Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior was over by himself with this position

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Speaker 3: I That's what I learned at Friday's practice. We will

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Speaker 3: see more. We get a chance to go to OTA's

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Speaker 3: looking forward to that.

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Speaker 4: And the Deutrelle work with Marvin Harrison, which I got

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Speaker 4: a little bit on video is actually being used by

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Speaker 4: a certain four letter sports network, really big time. Dan.

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Speaker 4: They reached out to me, how much is your autograph

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Speaker 4: for these days? Oh it's worth quite a bit, Danny.

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Speaker 4: They're actually out there together this week. We just they

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get serious here, all right, let's advance

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Speaker 2: that will never come to fruition. I want your thoughts

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Speaker 2: Is there enough quality? Rovin Harrison, June, Michael Wilson, Jay Jones,

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Speaker 3: I don't necessarily see additions happening to this room for

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Speaker 3: what I mean by both is this is absolutely a

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Speaker 3: I don't foresee another signing similar to one of Jay

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Speaker 2: And that's our segue. You look at the dozen names

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Speaker 4: Because guys were hurt. Like, why, what makes you think

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Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying. I guess ultimately, and I

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Speaker 4: He's not playing above Michael Wilson. I don't think you

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Speaker 2: That's where I have him sought it as a fourth receiver.

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Speaker 2: Greg Dersch is a fourth receiver. That's Zach. I haven't

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Speaker 4: Going to use a fourth receiver like to me that

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Speaker 4: we still have McBride. Yeah, I don't run tight ends

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Speaker 2: I mean they they went empty quite a bit, you know.

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Speaker 3: That was going to be my point. It will be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Amri de Mercado proved as an undrafted rookie that he

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Speaker 2: was reliable in pass protection, okay, he earned a spot.

435
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Speaker 2: So for everything that we know Drey Benson can do

436
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Speaker 2: when they give him the ball, what can he do

437
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Speaker 2: in terms of keeping his quarterback upright, keeping his QB clean,

438
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Speaker 2: And if indeed he's able to handle that aspect of

439
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Speaker 2: the job, then the competition is on him and de

440
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Speaker 2: Mercado for that third down back, especially if he can

441
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Speaker 2: catch the ball. Like everyone says that Trey Benson is

442
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Speaker 2: a real threat, and we know he's the home run

443
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Speaker 2: hitter with his speed and all those stats about how

444
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Speaker 2: many chunk touchdowns he finished and all that at Florida

445
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Speaker 2: State and Oregon. So I mean that all plays into things,

446
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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. The other thing I wonder,

447
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: and this is me just trying to calculate what's possible

448
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: and the potential of this offense is just year two

449
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Speaker 2: of any scheme. Forget about the fact you didn't have

450
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Speaker 2: Kyler all of last offseason. You do this offseason, and

451
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Speaker 2: that's a big deal, big big deal. But the fact

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Speaker 2: that it's year two in a scheme, and so you're

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Speaker 2: not just installing the basics, but now you have the

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Speaker 2: fundamentals and the foundation in place, and so so much

455
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Speaker 2: of the basics that you had to install and refresh

456
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Speaker 2: everyone's memory on this time a year ago, that's all

457
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Speaker 2: in place once you get past rookie minicam.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, when you say basics, what do you

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Speaker 4: mean by that, because because ultimately you've got so many

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Speaker 4: new players on your team, it doesn't matter who was

461
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Speaker 4: here last year. I get having Kyler around all season,

462
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Speaker 4: but like what, it's just because Gannon's been here doesn't

463
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Speaker 4: mean there's not enough players that you need to kind

464
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Speaker 4: of start from ground zero.

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Speaker 2: For example, when Kyler goes up to line of scrimmage,

466
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Speaker 2: four fifths of the offensive line was here last year, right,

467
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Speaker 2: so well. Jona Williams three fists. So JOHNA. Willims got

468
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Speaker 2: again on board, but he's a veteran. I'm just saying,

469
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Speaker 2: you're so far ahead of the learning curve than you

470
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Speaker 2: were a year ago at this time in terms of

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Speaker 2: the scheme, then what else is possible? Is my question?

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Speaker 2: Because if the NFL comes down to a handful of

473
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Speaker 2: plays every game, and it's the little things that decide

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Speaker 2: every game, then all of a sudden, Okay, maybe a

475
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Speaker 2: new wrinkle in the playbook that you couldn't really rely

476
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Speaker 2: on or access a year ago is now at your

477
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Speaker 2: disposal this year. What does that mean in terms of

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Speaker 2: added production?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think too of It gives Kyler the ability

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Speaker 3: to really hone in on the plays he liked and

481
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Speaker 3: didn't like that I would imagine are not as easy

482
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Speaker 3: to adjust when he is coming back the way he

483
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Speaker 3: did last year. Of season is halfway through and you

484
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Speaker 3: have only so much time on the field during a

485
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Speaker 3: week in between games and all that stuff, And now

486
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Speaker 3: he has a full off season to really tweak some

487
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Speaker 3: of those plays that he liked or even didn't like,

488
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Speaker 3: Like what can be done differently really make sure he's

489
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Speaker 3: even more comfortable with the change of footwork that this

490
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Speaker 3: staff asked of him. I think two of while they

491
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Speaker 3: might not be, you know, running specific plays and it

492
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Speaker 3: might just be more general routes. The fact that we've

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Speaker 3: seen on social media Kyler out with his receivers in

494
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Speaker 3: the off season on their own time, which is not

495
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Speaker 3: something new, right. This is what quarterbacks do every off

496
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Speaker 3: season if they're not posting about it. But that's another

497
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Speaker 3: big part of having him healthy is not just the scheme,

498
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Speaker 3: but being able to create that chemistry that he was

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Speaker 3: just unable to have with his receivers last year, again

500
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Speaker 3: because Trey McBride was not his number one tight end,

501
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Speaker 3: Michael Wilson was a rookie. And so having Kyler healthy

502
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Speaker 3: and participating in these off season programs, which again are

503
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Speaker 3: still voluntary at this point, and he has been here

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Speaker 3: every day, I believe, because we're not in there to

505
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Speaker 3: take he calm, but I'm pretty sure he's been here

506
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Speaker 3: every day.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's you hasn't been here, to be honest,

508
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Speaker 4: I mean not that I'm taking a head count. It's

509
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Speaker 4: funny though, as long as as long as Kyler's leading

510
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Speaker 4: a football offense, we're all good, because then I saw

511
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Speaker 4: the TikTok he posted where he and James Connor were

512
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Speaker 4: trying to talk Paris Johnson Junior through some batting cage swings.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see that.

514
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Speaker 4: And Paris is awful. And I don't know if he's

515
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Speaker 4: ever been taught, like why his back foot kept swinging

516
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Speaker 4: around as he swung, I don't know, But there was

517
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Speaker 4: a couple like Kyler finally laughed a little bit, but

518
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Speaker 4: at first he looked like he was genuinely irritated that

519
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Speaker 4: Paris couldn't hit the ball. It was pretty funny, like,

520
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Speaker 4: come on, man, what are you doing?

521
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Speaker 2: Just hit the ball? Did they dial down the velo

522
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Speaker 2: a little bit so Paris had a better chance.

523
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Speaker 4: I couldn't really tell how it was, but it was,

524
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Speaker 4: let's just put it this way. Paris was brutal like Paris.

525
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Speaker 4: Paris as a batter, like James Connor, is Steph Curry

526
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Speaker 4: as a basketball shooter compared to Paris as a batter.

527
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Speaker 4: And if you saw what James Connor did in his

528
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Speaker 4: little video at the at the playoff game, you.

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Speaker 3: Know that was going to be my next question. Interesting.

530
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean Kyler's swing though, Oh my goodness.

531
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Speaker 2: Oh yeahllow, oh boy, Okay, and then you're reminded, okay,

532
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: he's the one and only athlete to ever get drafted

533
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Speaker 2: in the first round of both the NFL in Major

534
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: League Baseball draft. And once again I've told the story before.

535
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 2: It was the day after he arrived and we did

536
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Speaker 2: a one on one interview as he was a rookie

537
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. I asked, Hey, you're going to go play

538
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Speaker 2: some golf with your Hall of Fame receiver. He said, nope,

539
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Speaker 2: my dad never let me play golf because it would

540
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Speaker 2: mess with n baseball swing. And so growing up he

541
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 2: never played golf, and you saw the baseball.

542
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Speaker 4: Swing would have been a pretty good golf for them.

543
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Speaker 2: He's rocketing tanks all over the up.

544
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Speaker 3: Go start playing golf right now and then be one

545
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Speaker 3: of the best golfers on the team by the end

546
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Speaker 3: of the summer. Just how competitive he is and how

547
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Speaker 3: athletic he is.

548
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Speaker 2: I want to know if we got him in the

549
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: trust tree right now, we got him on the LNE detector, Kyler,

550
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Speaker 2: how many fastballs did it take for you to get

551
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: dialed in? Because when you don't pick up a bat

552
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Speaker 2: for three years or whatever, he said, it was, and

553
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: then you're just starting to rifle line drives all over

554
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Speaker 2: the like, how long did it take you actually get

555
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: your I back in the cage? That's so anyway, I

556
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: mentioned this with Craig Greela on the Red Sea Report.

557
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Speaker 4: Rilla, isn't he fifty years old today?

558
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Speaker 2: Some? Oh? Is it the Big five?

559
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Speaker 1: Oh?

560
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Speaker 2: I did not realize that.

561
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Speaker 4: I believe it is the Big five. Oh, happy birthday, Craig.

562
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Speaker 2: There's Hawaii five. Oh, and there's Grilu five.

563
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 3: Oh.

564
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Speaker 2: Okay, I did not know that.

565
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Speaker 3: Any jokes we should rattle off like he tried to

566
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Speaker 3: do when I had a big milestone birthday a few

567
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: months ago.

568
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good.

569
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Speaker 3: Should have been more prepared.

570
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Speaker 4: I got a microphone right there.

571
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Speaker 2: I know.

572
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: I wasn't prepared. I didn't realize he was turning so

573
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Speaker 3: old today.

574
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Speaker 2: It's good. So there was a guy, there was a

575
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Speaker 2: fantasy football guy who tweeted out after seeing, you know,

576
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: just the entire day Kyler's off season so far, and

577
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 2: there's so many different little you know, whether it's him

578
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: practicing and throwing to the construction worker or the baseball,

579
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Speaker 2: the basketball or whatever, and him saying he's more locked

580
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Speaker 2: in than he's ever been, or more than any other

581
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Speaker 2: quarter at right now whatever.

582
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Speaker 4: We're lucky there's always cameras wherever he is.

583
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: And the guy tweeted out, quote, hope y'all bought the

584
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: dip on Kyler Murray. I'm like, it's a pretty good line, right,

585
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: pretty good. I bought the dip like stock market, like

586
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: you know, stock was going to So I'm pretty sure

587
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't chew because he was a former two time

588
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: pro bowler and then with the injury and everything, and

589
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: then you know the demise of the offense, and you know, so.

590
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: What do you like to say? He likes to say

591
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: a lot of things, but a twenty twenty three dip.

592
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: For a well, it was a Yes, twenty twenty three

593
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: dip for a twenty twenty four rip is what it is. Yes,

594
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Speaker 2: that is what it is. Dan. You don't have to

595
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Speaker 2: do it.

596
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: I didn't want to do a disservice.

597
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: You have you've seen have you seen the movie Dumb

598
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: Money on Netflix? Came out last year. I never even

599
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: heard about Roaring Kitty. Do you know Roaring kits somewhere?

600
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Speaker 2: This is this the uh, this is the game stock

601
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: game Stock means stock crazy. Yeah, Roaring Kitty was bad

602
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: for the first time posted, and the stock rocketed in

603
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Speaker 2: the short cell took a bath, just like just like

604
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Speaker 2: in the movie two years ago, just this week. Yes,

605
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: it's already happened. Yes, so it just why is that

606
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: stock still around? That's what the short sellers are wondering, Darren,

607
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: That's exactly what they're wondering. And they've lost their shirt

608
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: wagering that it would not be around. But it's a

609
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: stock market rebellion by the ham and eggers, the masses

610
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: who refuse to let it go bankrupt because then the

611
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: man would win.

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Speaker 3: So should is that what you're saying?

613
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Speaker 2: I should? I was thinking there was some sort of

614
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Speaker 2: parallel to the whole Kyler Murray off season, and you know,

615
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: but that fizzled. I should I should have. Just uh,

616
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Speaker 2: we'll edit that out later.

617
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Speaker 4: Again, we want to edit out any references to short selling.

618
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Speaker 4: You know, that wouldn't be very fair.

619
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Speaker 2: That's easy, But the one part of that bonding trip,

620
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Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it with his teammates is

621
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Speaker 2: you're reminded. At least I needed to remind her he's

622
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Speaker 2: twenty six and has his own statue. I mean, that

623
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: should not go unnoticed, right, I mean, they own statue.

624
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 4: When you look at the photo that he took, so

625
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 4: he's not in it, so obviously he's got to be

626
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 4: the one taking the picture. And there's just there's something. Hey,

627
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: I'd like five of my friends and teammates to go

628
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Speaker 4: stand in front of my statue so I can take

629
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Speaker 4: a picture of them with my statue.

630
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: Because we all know it's poor form to stand in

631
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: front of your own statue. Thou shalt not take a

632
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: selfie in front of your own statue. I mean that

633
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: would be ghoshould pretense, pretentious.

634
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: All the people who were upset that gannon an awesome

635
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: for it and some of the coaches went to the

636
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: unveiling last early April before the draft. Are they upset

637
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: that Kyler's teammates were there in the off season instead of.

638
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: Training on the You miss you misspoke when you said

639
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: to all the people, you mean one person in particular

640
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 4: who has a blog, a national blog.

641
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: That's a good troll though.

642
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: I like that.

643
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 2: I like that, it's a good reminder. We'll scoreboard right there.

644
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 4: Just wondering, Okay, although I will I I did think

645
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: and I'm certainly not trying to to, but I keep

646
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: thinking to myself, I would be a little bummed if

647
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: I wasn't one of the guys invited that.

648
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: That's that was a good trip.

649
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious.

650
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: Go to an NBA game, go take some batting practice,

651
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: go hang out with a big man on campus at Oklahoma.

652
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: So do they not get their feelings hurt when they're

653
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: all at the same basketball game but only Kyler and

654
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: James are court side?

655
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: Oh? I got one thing to add to this, by

656
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: the way, because I do have a question based on

657
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: that game. Can I ask her? Yeah, go ask that

658
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: for you. Is see a fan in the Mavericks since

659
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: he's a Dallas guy or an O.

660
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: Case, don't understand why that's a question. Yes, he's from Dallas,

661
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: he's a Dallas fan, and he went to school in Norman,

662
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: not Oklahoma City.

663
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if a state puts my statue up, I'm

664
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: going to follow that to the state.

665
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: The school, the school.

666
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: No, it was for the maps speaking of the school.

667
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 4: And we can bring we can have Danny bring Kaitlin

668
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: on at any point. But I this is the dumbest

669
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: thing ever. They call it, Oh you, yes, university, but

670
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: it's University of Oklahoma.

671
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: What kind of.

672
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: That's that's the never mind. I don't have about the

673
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: school where our franchise quarterback went to. On air, I'll

674
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: tell you off there how I feel about that.

675
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: Well, it's because they don't want to.

676
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: You can tell how I feel about it.

677
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: They don't want to risk getting confused with the superior

678
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: u O, which is Oregon. So you know you don't

679
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: want to, you know, that's that's they have to separate themselves,

680
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: brand themselves different, sort of like South Carolina. They can't

681
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: go by USC because they already is a USC, so

682
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: you have to figure out a different way to market

683
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: it correct. I don't know.

684
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 4: I've got a good friend who went to Appalachian State

685
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: and he always tells me how that's the real issue exactly.

686
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 4: I want to punch him in the face.

687
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: Right that's a state of ASU football right now. You

688
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: don't want any smiles from State right now. I'll just

689
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: leave you with that. Okay. So Kyler is a Mavericks fan,

690
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: Yet he was sitting in front row at the OKC game.

691
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: So who were the thunder playing? I mean, he's MAVs,

692
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: so it's not just a Thunder game. He was sitting

693
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: courtside at he actually traveled to watch the mass, which

694
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: would make him a bigger MAS fan.

695
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: So like Danny's getting angry again because because he you know,

696
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: they were conspicuous. They were conspicuous. Is the only ones

697
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: not wearing the T shirt, the OK see Believe shirt.

698
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 4: So that was what James Connor did. Have a wide

699
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 4: shot Kyler Murray Jersey, Lahoma Jersey.

700
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: Right, So he was playing to the locals. But Kyler's like, hey,

701
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: I'm a made man. I got my own statue. You

702
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: know I might be a MAS fan. I'm gonna sit here.

703
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: I feel like Paul's obsessed with.

704
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: No one's gonna touch me on that one. By the way,

705
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: if you do bring Caitlyn in, I need to give

706
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: her a sincere thank you because she saved my keyster

707
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 2: on mother's photographer who she gave me a good gift

708
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 2: idea that I turned into a money Mother's Day gift.

709
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: It was such a good idea I sent it to

710
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: my wife, my own mother, and my mother in law.

711
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: So that's that's how.

712
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 4: Good You're gonna have to help me off the air here, Paul.

713
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 4: You can't just keep this stuff to yourself.

714
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: Days already passed.

715
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: Darren.

716
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there's gonna be another one, trust me.

717
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: Oh, there'll be another one, Darren. Every year, every year,

718
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: there's at least five every year. His Mother's Day, there's Anniversary,

719
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: there's Christmas, there's Birthday, and there's Valentine's Day. Five a year,

720
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: year after year. And I don't have enough gift ideas

721
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: in me, I'm just a simple man. How can I

722
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: come up with enough gift ideas year after year?

723
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: This is a fair point. And I'm also in the

724
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: gauntlet because I get I have I have Mother's Day,

725
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 4: and then my anniversary and then my wife's birthday are

726
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 4: all in like a three week period, and I'm like,

727
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 4: this is not good.

728
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have to outsource that. You need, You

729
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: need to bring in some You should.

730
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 3: Have planned your wedding better, Darren.

731
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: Oh how about that? Wow? Okay, you guys are getting

732
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: to know each other pretty well. Now she's weighing in

733
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: on that topic. I'll just leave you on that one

734
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: right there.

735
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 4: Since Danny wasn't born when I got married, I she

736
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: wasn't around to ask at the time.

737
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: True she was born.

738
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so it was close. Let's see, if really really close.

739
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: This is my segue into camp battles, because one camp

740
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 2: battle will definitely be Darren versus Day. Beyond that, where

741
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: do you see camp battles Because it's never too early

742
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: to talk about position battles. I don't care if it's

743
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: only May obviously left guard, and I mean there are

744
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: a number of contenders of left guard. Right here we go,

745
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: Isaiah Adams, the rookie round three, Elijah Wilkinson, who was

746
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 2: the starter went healthy last year. Right. Yes. Evan Brown,

747
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: who started every game at center for the Seahawks or

748
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: sixteen out of seventeen a year ago, has played right

749
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: guard with Detroit just two years ago in twenty twenty two.

750
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: Yelda Froholt could be a potential left guard if dot

751
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: dot dot who starts at center, Danny?

752
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: How about my good friend John Gaines exactly?

753
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, his middle name is need to know need

754
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: to know so. And by the way, your good friend

755
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: my good friend, even though not sure I've actually ever

756
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: talked to him, I'm just an admirer from Afar is

757
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: big Mo. I'm putting Marquis Hayes into the left guard

758
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: competition mainly because I've identified him on the watch list

759
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: for the poly Pigskin breakout player at camp two years running.

760
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm prolling Big Mal into the mix. He's in there.

761
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: Did he also go to ou?

762
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: He did? You're right.

763
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: So honestly, the only as close to a guarantee as

764
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: we can have at this point in May of a

765
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: starting spot for an alignment is Will Hernandez is your

766
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 3: right guard? Do we even have confirmation that Jonah Williams

767
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: is going to be on the left side in Paris

768
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: Johnson is going to be a right tackle.

769
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: So there was a conversation that I had with a

770
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 4: couple of our cool horts this morning. Why is it

771
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 4: locked that Will Hernandez is the right guard and not

772
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 4: the left guard?

773
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: It's it's not well you just said, I said, the

774
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: closest we had Actually, if we could.

775
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: Replay that court stenographer, can you read that.

776
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: Back to us saying that because when there have been

777
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 3: since Hernandez has been here, when there have been opportunities

778
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: or need becase has of adversity on the left and

779
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: the right side, he has consistently stayed on the right side.

780
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 2: That's true.

781
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: So that's why I am I'm keeping him on the

782
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: right side for.

783
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: This exercise, even though I think his first four years

784
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: in the league is the second left Giants.

785
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: It was all on the left side, right, Because well,

786
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: so if that's a thing, right, if there's such a

787
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: strong connection with Hernandez and Johnson on the right side,

788
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 3: and they want to move Paris over to the left,

789
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: does that mean you move Will to left?

790
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 4: And that's why we're talking about it. That's that's actually

791
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: how that part of it came up. We were talking

792
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: about Paris switching over right, about how tight they were

793
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 4: Will and maybe Will could move over to the left side.

794
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: Who knows.

795
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess maybe I changed my mind. Maybe

796
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: all five starting positions are up for grabs, up for

797
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 3: maybe shifting around.

798
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 4: I think Yelled is your center.

799
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: I do too. I just think there was enough of

800
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: a connection between the quarterback and the center last year.

801
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: You don't want to mess that up, right, unless somehow

802
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: John Gains is some sort of phenom.

803
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 3: He No, he was working well as the number two.

804
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: I'm just curious with the flexibility and where he's at

805
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: in rehab. That's all I want to know.

806
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 4: Paul.

807
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: Okay, how are we doing? Once again? Once again the

808
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: first practice full range of motion?

809
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 4: When you talk about flexibility at this point.

810
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: Danny you only have to wait till about August seventh

811
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: or eighth. That's about it, and then you know you

812
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: might begin to get an answer. Maybe three months. We'll see.

813
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: Well, we're not going to get an answer on the

814
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: starting lineup until the regular season. We've been told already.

815
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: So other position battles then, as we see them. The

816
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: number two running back, we've already identified the battle behind

817
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: James Connor. Okay, beyond that obviously, cornerback.

818
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: Well, you forgot our heated discussion about fourth receiver.

819
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: We don't need to fourth receiver. We already identified that. Yes, indeed,

820
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: we don't need to go back beyond the top two

821
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: tight end. So I'm now officially flipping a defense.

822
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 4: Okay, that's fine.

823
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: Cornerback. Cornerback is the big one, right, so look, I'm

824
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: just gonna put Max Melton in there. It's his job

825
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: to lose alongside Sean Murphy bunting. Does anyone have a

826
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: problem with that?

827
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 4: No?

828
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: No, So we have that because Garret Williams is your nickel.

829
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: Right now. We'll see how rabbit does and what that

830
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: means exactly. He could definitely make some noise and some inroads.

831
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 2: We'll see, But if he does. Then I'm guessing maybe

832
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: Garrett Williams enters the mix as an outside corner perhaps.

833
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 4: So now you also have Elijah Jones, who's a third

834
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 4: round pick. I mean, it's not like that guy is like, no,

835
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 4: you're a sixth round pick.

836
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: You're right, absolutely no offense, Keith trow Clark, he's sort

837
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: of an unknown, sort of under the radar. You're right,

838
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: he hasn't got nearly the same a mount of publicity.

839
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: What about outside linebacker, right, I mean, you've got what

840
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: if Xavier Thomas the rookie has a great off season

841
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: in training camp, or we said it's going to be

842
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: Zavon Collins and b j O Jalari.

843
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 4: I think it is right now, whether that's true on rundowns,

844
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 4: I guess we're gonna have to see. I think there's

845
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 4: again because of the rotations that they have both on

846
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 4: the defensive line and outside linebacker, I think you could

847
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: use I mean, Zavon Collins played the most out of

848
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 4: any out TI linebacker last year, and he didn't even

849
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 4: get to sixty percent of the snaps, and that's because

850
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 4: they're rotating so much.

851
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: And I do think that's going to make a difference

852
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're saying that Xavier Thomas could end

853
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: up with a sub package and obvious passing downs, Yeah, yeah,

854
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: I think that could be if he comes in day

855
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: one as a six year college guy, right at twenty

856
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: four years of age, and he starts making offensive linemen

857
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: and camp looking stupid in the one on one pass

858
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: rush drills. Absolutely. Kyle Vannibosch talked at length about that

859
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: former three time Pro Bowl edge rusher that you know,

860
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 2: when it comes to certain positions that you can plug

861
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: and play from college to the pros. Running back would

862
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: be one. Maybe receiver, although that has been a bit

863
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: of a learning curve, But edge rusher. I mean, if

864
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: if you have the speed and the skill set to

865
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: get pass to tackle, then go at it. You just

866
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: stick him out there and his only responsibility. All you

867
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: have to do is come off the ball and get

868
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: off to the quarterback if it's an obvious passing situation.

869
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: And for everyone who says Xavier Thomas might be a

870
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: liability against the run, I mean, b j O Jilar,

871
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: that wasn't exactly his strong suit coming out of LSU.

872
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: So when it comes to setting the edge and defending

873
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: the run, I'm curious to see how that battle might

874
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: play out, because Zamon Collins that is something he does

875
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: really well at his size and his weight. And now, okay,

876
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: and then Dennis Gardak we had this discussion too. I

877
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: threw it out with Kyle Vanabush and all right, you

878
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: bolstered the interior d line. How much can that help

879
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: the outside guys? And he made the point, this is

880
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: Kyle Vanderbush. Now, Paul, you cited my three Pro Bowls. Well,

881
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: guess what. The only three times I went to a

882
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl is when I had a dominant interior defensive

883
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: tackle twice with Albert Hainsworth and the other one, Oh boy,

884
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: I and Dominicant sue, thank you, Darren, You're welcome, Paul.

885
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: So I wasn't gonna throw out like Jeffrey Simmons, not

886
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: even close to his plane era. That's a modern day.

887
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 2: So I thought, you know he was. He immediately paid

888
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: props to those inside guys freeing up the outside guys

889
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: becausezz he explains, a lot of times you run into

890
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: a freebie if there's interior pressure and the quarterbacks flushed out.

891
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: A lot of times he runs right into your arms

892
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: and you just get a freebie.

893
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it seems like the staff time, we're gonna

894
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: clip that that alone out of context will be fascinating.

895
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: Thank you.

896
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: It does seem like this front office has the same

897
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: idea when you're looking at early in big priorities of

898
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: this offseason with free agents and the defensive line and

899
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: Darius Robinson their second first round pick this year out

900
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: of the great University of Missouri, and we've talked about

901
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: this of you know, the Russian cover go hand in

902
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: hand and the trickle down effect of you can't completely

903
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: overhaul a team in one year. It's not realistic. And

904
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: I do feel like it makes the most sense what

905
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: they've been doing, which is really prioritizing the Russian coverage

906
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: right now and free agency in the draft, because you

907
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: can have a trickle down effect when it comes to

908
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: that pass rush and you're outside linebacker. Is when you've

909
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 3: got a beefed up D line that can consistently stop

910
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: the run and also creates some interior pressure, and I

911
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 3: think that's really going to bode well for the improvements

912
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: that this defense needs to make this year.

913
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: By the way, bjo Jelaari, they list him at six two,

914
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: two forty eight. Xavier Thomas sixty four, but he told

915
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: us in the Big Red Rage last week that he

916
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: was over two fifty, so similar body type.

917
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 3: I did like Xavier Thomas talked to the media Tuesday

918
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: and it was asked and he's, I mean, you can

919
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: tell he's serious. He's what we've heard this staff is

920
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 3: looking for and players, right, very serious about ball. Didn't

921
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: crack a smile. I know you said the same Paul

922
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: when Thomas was on The Big Red Rage in his interview,

923
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: but it was asked something along lines of what would

924
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: surprise people about you that they wouldn't know, and he said,

925
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a pretty nice person, which just funny

926
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: because when you look at him, I mean, he can

927
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: be intimidating. He is big, and he is broad, and

928
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: he's got tattoos. He's got a big net tattoo. And right,

929
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: like he said, when I'm on the field, like, I'm

930
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: not calm, I'm not polite, but when I'm off the field, yeah,

931
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: I'm a pretty nice guy. And I thought that was

932
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: pretty funny that that was the first thing that came

933
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: to mind for something that would surprise people.

934
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: And Isaiah Adams said something along the same lines. Didn't

935
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: he ya, except he said it with a smile on

936
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: his face that hey, I'm you know, I'm pretty polite. Yeah,

937
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: I'm pretty polite, he said dot dot Dottie waited for effect.

938
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: He said, but on the field, I try and kill people,

939
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: and he smiled.

940
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 4: Language but I want to kill people. So you know,

941
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 4: I couldn't get how tip rhyman of him.

942
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: I tried three times to get in my question and

943
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: I couldn't get it in in the Isaiah Adams press

944
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: conference because I don't like to clip the end of

945
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: sound bites, you know, and jump on over over someone

946
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: else's statement. But I wanted to ask him. I said, this, Uh,

947
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: front office is on the record is saying they're looking

948
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 2: for quote grimy offensive linemen. You know, would you describe

949
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: your play as such? You know, I was hoping to

950
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: get buddy he went into it anyway, So yeah, that's

951
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: we'll see. We'll see how he uh things pour tend

952
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: out on the field with Isaiah Adams. But yeah, there's

953
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: a number guys I think that we have we have

954
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: to start a watch list for most likely to start

955
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: a fight. You know, Isaiah Adams would be in there.

956
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: Xavier Thomas, maybe you can't you can't. What is it

957
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: that you got? You got?

958
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 4: Mohyes, and now you're mark Yeah, now.

959
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: You're you're not allowed to find that last year was

960
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: it was L J.

961
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: Collier and who Elijah Wilkinson kicked out kicked Yeah, the

962
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: walk of shame all the length of the field and

963
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: down the ramp. You know, thou shout, head to the

964
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: locker room. So but it's good, Okay, I'm going to

965
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: go down on record right here. Well, here we go

966
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: this camp. This camp will be having much more of

967
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: an edge, will be a lot chippier than last year. A.

968
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: I think you have personalities when you get to the

969
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: dog days of camp are more combustible, so to speak.

970
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: I think there's much more heated competition for jobs this

971
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: year for the final fifty three. It's not nearly as

972
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: set as it was a year ago. And that's gonna

973
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: spark the ire of more than one person's Okay, Tember.

974
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 4: Here's a good question. How many And I'm not asking

975
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 4: for names, I'm looking for a number right now. How

976
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 4: many names do you think you'd be comfortable saying they

977
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 4: will be on the fifty three.

978
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 3: Man roster of the ninety right now? No?

979
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 4: Well, well, you're gonna of the fifty three that we

980
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 4: end up in September, how many would you would you

981
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: feel comfortable saying? Like, would you say, could you name

982
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 4: forty people that you're like, yeah, these forty are going

983
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 4: to be on the roster, these forty two are going

984
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: to be on them.

985
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: In other words, how many roster spots so up in

986
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: the air? Is that what you're saying? Essentially?

987
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I guess I would.

988
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 3: Probably feel comfortable around like the thirty range three zero.

989
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: You don't think that many.

990
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: I think I think it'll be more thirty five.

991
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: I was gonna say maybe thirty.

992
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 4: I bet you, I bet you. If I sat down,

993
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 4: I'd become around forty. That's thirteen spots.

994
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: That's an extreme number in most NFL camps. If you

995
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: go into a camp to have thirteen, to have thirteen,

996
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean well that's why. That's why I

997
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: was about to say seven. Yeah, that's a lot, That's

998
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

999
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 4: And I think it's probably more than forty because then

1000
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 4: the number of times I've gone over the years and

1001
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 4: it's like, Okay, what are these camp battles? And usually

1002
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: when we talk about camp battles, there's maybe one starter,

1003
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 4: perhaps two. Most of the time, the camp battles are

1004
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 4: who's going to be backup or maybe a third string,

1005
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 4: And in terms of who's going to actually make the team,

1006
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 4: there's not that many by the time you get there,

1007
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 4: because you construct with the idea that these guys are

1008
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 4: going to be on the team, and everybody else is

1009
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 4: just window dressing. And I don't want to name names

1010
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 4: because it's not fair to the guys who you might

1011
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 4: consider window dressing at this point. But I mean, I

1012
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 4: bet you, I bet you it's over.

1013
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet you.

1014
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 4: If you really sat down, Danny, it would be way

1015
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 4: more than thirty probably.

1016
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: All right, So here's the story that I can now

1017
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: share that happened at the end of last season. It

1018
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: was twenty four hours after the end of the twenty

1019
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: twenty three campaign and the season finale against Seattle week eighteen,

1020
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: and after the exit interviews, maniasap Ford and Jonathan Gannon

1021
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: got all the rookies together in a room and before

1022
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: they departed into their off season, he had a message

1023
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: and maniasa Ford, in front of all the rookies said,

1024
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 2: my job as a GM, and he paused for effect

1025
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: is to replace every one of you. And according to

1026
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: those who were in that room, you could hear a

1027
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: pin drop for every rookie who might have thought, Hey,

1028
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: I made it through my rookie season, my NFL career,

1029
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: it's about to launch, and here this is the next

1030
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: decade of my life. Not so fast. Instead of being

1031
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: that made man, you're gonna be to compete every year

1032
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: for a spot in this locker room. And I thought

1033
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: that's really telling as to the mentality in the culture

1034
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: they're establishing and the message they sent to everyone. And

1035
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 2: I think this offseason only reinforced that with twelve draft

1036
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: picks come in in competing. I mean you mentioned Kei

1037
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: troll Clark. I'll just pull his name out of a hat.

1038
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: Here's a guy who at times last year early in

1039
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: the season was a starter. Is a six round rookie.

1040
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: At the very least, you're thinking he's on this roster

1041
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: for numerous years to come, right, Not so much, not

1042
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 2: after how they bolstered the corner room. How many you

1043
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: keep it? Normally four four corners, normally maybe five or

1044
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: five depending on your versatility. Yep, Well guess what Sean

1045
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 2: Murphy Bunting, Max Melton, Elijah Jones. Are we comfortable saying

1046
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: those three are gonna be on the final roster? I am.

1047
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: So if you're key Troll Clark, I mean you resemble

1048
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: that remark from Mantias and.

1049
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 4: Fort Now, I will say that things are a little

1050
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: bit different these days, and it doesn't mean you can't

1051
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 4: get picked up if they release you.

1052
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: But because there's a.

1053
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 4: Sixteen man practice squad, a lot of the names that

1054
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 4: are gonna end up on the practice squad are guys

1055
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 4: that are going to be around all off season. I

1056
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 4: would hazard twelve of the sixteen practice squad members or

1057
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 4: guys that are on the roster right now. So when

1058
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 4: you're talking about getting down to fifty three, or maybe

1059
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 4: you're talking about picking up one on waivers or two,

1060
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 4: and they are going to be fourth in the waiverclaim line.

1061
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 4: I believe fourth. Yeah, yeah, fourth in the waiverclaim line,

1062
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 4: even though they're tied with some of those other teams.

1063
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 4: Let's say you get one waiver claim, so then there's

1064
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 4: fifty two and there's still gonna be a lot of

1065
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 4: guys that get quote unquote cut that are still going

1066
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 4: to be around this team and potentially be on the

1067
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 4: roster at some point but there's always a chance of

1068
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 4: moving on. And that's the other thing is when you

1069
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 4: start talking and we'll be talking about this a lot

1070
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 4: more later. You know, there are times, and this has

1071
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 4: happened a few times around when the roster starts getting

1072
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 4: built up in a good way, not all, not every year,

1073
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 4: but in some years, and then fans are like, oh

1074
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: my god, we have to cut X or we have

1075
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 4: to cut Y.

1076
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 2: What are we doing?

1077
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 4: And I'm like, this is what happens.

1078
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: Though.

1079
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 4: When you get your roster to a good place, you

1080
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 4: are cutting a couple guys that you'd really rather not

1081
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: let go or exposed to waivers to see if you

1082
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 4: can get on the practice squad. That's how it works,

1083
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 4: and that's how it's supposed to work. That means your

1084
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 4: roster is in a good place.

1085
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: Dare I say, if you want indication how good your

1086
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: team is going to be that year, look at how

1087
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: many players you cut at the end of camp are

1088
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: picked up by other teams. If you don't have a

1089
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: single player picked up by another team, probably means you're

1090
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: not that talented and you're not headed from many wins.

1091
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: But if the guys you cut, a number of them

1092
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: are immediately snapped up by other teams and signed immediately.

1093
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: That means you got some pretty good talent in your room,

1094
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: in your locker room. So that's always a good indication

1095
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: and reminder. By the way, it's number too late to

1096
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: learn something in this game. Be on a show of hands.

1097
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 2: How many people knew what an r v A session

1098
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: was before Jonathan Gannon mentioned it last week? R v A.

1099
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: I did not have no idea.

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00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't know what it stood for. Once

1101
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: you said what it was, I knew what it was,

1102
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 4: but I didn't I have never heard that acronym.

1103
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: Routes versus air. Because he said Kyler Murray had the

1104
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: best routes versus Air session, he was willing.

1105
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 4: To admit I didn't know it, and Danny wasn't willing

1106
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 4: to admit it.

1107
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 3: No, he said, raise your hand if you knew. I

1108
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: didn't raise my hand, which means I was participating.

1109
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So at least one camp battle once again has

1110
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: has commenced, Danny versus Darren heading into By the way,

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00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: we don't know do.

1112
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 4: You get any distracks lately, Danny.

1113
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 3: I don't want a dis track you said you wanted,

1114
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: not by you by Kendrick Lamar or metro Boom and no,

1115
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 3: they haven't dropped in just that's what.

1116
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 4: My question was. I don't why you're gonna get so defensive.

1117
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: You know, you guys are all wondering about the road

1118
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: trips in an international game. You really need to figure

1119
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: out is the joint practice that's going to impact your

1120
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: life more than anything. Where are you going for nearly

1121
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: a week in the middle of August. That's what you

1122
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: needing for nearly a week. Two people apparently know and

1123
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: I'm not in the know.

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00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: Again, I don't know anything about.

1125
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 2: Anything, So I'm about to shake them down right after

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Speaker 2: we wrap up. This edition of Cardinals Underground brought to

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