Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is wes hodka Witz. We're
Speaker 1: coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field
Speaker 1: and West. Still plenty of items from the Scouting Combine
Speaker 1: to talk about our long trip from last week. We
Speaker 1: obviously covered a lot of topics while we were there,
Speaker 1: but still more to talk about since we've been back,
Speaker 1: and the one we definitely have to hit on is
Speaker 1: the linebacker from u c F, Shaq Griffin. I don't
Speaker 1: remember there ever being a story this good from the combine.
Speaker 1: I mean, what this guy is doing and the fact
Speaker 1: that he almost wasn't even invited to be there, and
Speaker 1: yet he ends up becoming the story of the week
Speaker 1: in Indie. H just remarkable. What what Shack Griffin is
Speaker 1: doing here. Three week reasons why I love this story. One,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you know anything about him,
Speaker 1: he does not have a left hand. When he was
Speaker 1: four years old, he was born with a condition that
Speaker 1: caused great amount of pain in it, you know, under
Speaker 1: development it. Eventually they had it amputated when he was
Speaker 1: four years old. His twin brother, Quill is already playing
Speaker 1: for the Seattle Seahawks. He was a draft pick last year,
Speaker 1: and it's funny just hearing their banter back and forth
Speaker 1: in chakuom Shack. He actually was like tweeting out right
Speaker 1: after he ran the forty and four point three eight,
Speaker 1: he's somebody needs to do like one of those synchronized
Speaker 1: things where it's me versus my brother. I mean, his
Speaker 1: personality is just remarkable. It's off the charts. He was,
Speaker 1: by far, I think, the most compelling guy at the podium,
Speaker 1: and he talked with the media before he even went
Speaker 1: and did that forty. It was after he did the
Speaker 1: twenty bench reps using a kind of a prosthetic that
Speaker 1: helped him with that as well. He wanted to do
Speaker 1: six his max was eleven. He did, and and the
Speaker 1: thing I think that that ties this all together, that
Speaker 1: just makes it such an incredible story, is the fact
Speaker 1: that he said, you know, his whole goal through this thing.
Speaker 1: People say, well, you can't do this, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: You can't play in the NFL with one arm one hand,
Speaker 1: Well you, And then his rebuttal to that was, well
Speaker 1: you can't play in the NFL with two hands. What
Speaker 1: does that say about you, I mean the journey this
Speaker 1: young man has been on to get to this point
Speaker 1: and then to show out the way he did during
Speaker 1: the combine. I I don't know, you'd have to go back.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's something in history that has been up
Speaker 1: there with it. But this is one of the most
Speaker 1: compelling things that I've that I've seen in my And
Speaker 1: you know, these guys, these young guys, they all get
Speaker 1: excited for the combine. Everybody's got the nerves going, you
Speaker 1: got the adrenaline going. But you just wonder how much
Speaker 1: adrenaline is going through Shatt Griffin when, as you said,
Speaker 1: his previous max on the bench was eleven reps of
Speaker 1: two pounds and he did twenty. And then he goes
Speaker 1: out there for his first forty yard dash and runs
Speaker 1: a four three eight And just to put that in perspective,
Speaker 1: that's the fastest combine forty yard dash time by a
Speaker 1: linebacker in fifteen years. Two thousand and three was the
Speaker 1: last time that somebody a linebacker ran a sub for four.
Speaker 1: So it's it's amazing. This guy almost wasn't invited to
Speaker 1: the combine. He was a late invite, and everybody's talking about, oh,
Speaker 1: somebody will take a chance on him in the sixth
Speaker 1: or seventh round of the draft. Now you start to wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, could he actually be drafted on the second
Speaker 1: day of the draft, maybe maybe as high as a
Speaker 1: third rounder, which when you look at his tape, you
Speaker 1: look at the college tape and what he's done, I
Speaker 1: know they're going to be questions. I raised him on
Speaker 1: on an earlier show before he had gone through all
Speaker 1: these workouts at the combine. He only he only has
Speaker 1: the one hand. You're trying, you're talking about trying to
Speaker 1: tackle a guy like a se Kwan Barkley, who is
Speaker 1: as dynamic and athlete to to come through the draft.
Speaker 1: He's going to be probably the number one overall pick,
Speaker 1: but certainly within the top two or three picks. How
Speaker 1: does the guy missing a hand, missing the lower part
Speaker 1: of one arm tackle a guy like say Kwan Barkley
Speaker 1: in the open field. But you know, I'm not saying that,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not saying that I'm trying to throw out
Speaker 1: all these doubts about him. I'm kind of done doubting.
Speaker 1: I mean, now it's like I want to see it
Speaker 1: get out there and play. Let's go seriously, after that
Speaker 1: I mean, how but how can anybody doubt him. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like he just tested out the world too.
Speaker 1: He was incredibly productive. I think he was a former
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year in the American Athletic Conference too.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that has been productive
Speaker 1: at every level of football he's played. The reason I'm
Speaker 1: really happy that he was able to get to the
Speaker 1: combine is it's a leving level playing field. Whatever you
Speaker 1: want to say about what these numbers mean, how much
Speaker 1: it really translates to football, you can have that debate.
Speaker 1: But there's a difference, Michael, between doing this in Indianapolis
Speaker 1: and doing this at UCFS pro day, because if it
Speaker 1: happens at a pro day, people are always like, yeah,
Speaker 1: who is timing it? It's not automatic. I mean things,
Speaker 1: you know, the old Ohio State effect on forty times.
Speaker 1: I mean stuff like that, this guy did it, and
Speaker 1: he didn't front of the scouts. He did in front
Speaker 1: of NFL personnel people. And if he's willing and he's
Speaker 1: able to do this in the highest pressure packed situation,
Speaker 1: a player is going to find himself in the pre
Speaker 1: draft process. What's this guy gonna do when he's on
Speaker 1: the field on Sunday. Yeah, what's your sense of where
Speaker 1: he might go in the draft now? Is he still
Speaker 1: is it still just going to be at the end
Speaker 1: of the day a six seventh round pick, the shine
Speaker 1: from the combine all wear off, or are these workout?
Speaker 1: Is is this going to propel him up to either
Speaker 1: be an early Day three pick or possibly even a
Speaker 1: late Day two picks. Well, first off, I think what
Speaker 1: this did is it definitely guarantees he's getting drafted. I
Speaker 1: think there was some question about if you could potentially
Speaker 1: be a late rounder, if he's gonna be a priority
Speaker 1: free agent, just because it concerns that you just outlined
Speaker 1: he's definitely getting picked. Now. He talked about what that
Speaker 1: moment's gonna be like for him, how his brother was
Speaker 1: all calm and collected. He's not going to be like that.
Speaker 1: Whenever it happens, He's going to be through the roof.
Speaker 1: There will be no I don't want to say no humility,
Speaker 1: but there's definitely gonna be no hiding his emotions. Now,
Speaker 1: the question is where is going to be Uh, That's
Speaker 1: something that NFL executives are going to have to answer.
Speaker 1: It's tough. Mike second day Draft picks second and third round.
Speaker 1: It's tough to get into that category. You've got to
Speaker 1: be one of the top hundred prospects in the draft
Speaker 1: to do it. I think it definitely is going to
Speaker 1: put him in that conversation for fifth and six. But
Speaker 1: you see it every year, man, there's always one team
Speaker 1: that finds a player they like and they're willing to
Speaker 1: take him a little earlier, and he could potentially sneak
Speaker 1: into those middle rounds. I think that you see f
Speaker 1: pro day is probably gonna go a long way and
Speaker 1: determining invalidating a lot of the things that he did
Speaker 1: at the combine. Yeah, if he can, if he can
Speaker 1: match some of those things that he did, at least
Speaker 1: not fall off in terms of the testing where it
Speaker 1: isn't just oh he had all this adrenaline going, you know,
Speaker 1: and whatnot? He does that again. Yeah, but a great
Speaker 1: story for sure. With that, excuse me, we'll toss to
Speaker 1: a break back with more on Packers Unscripted. Read after this.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford here, Wes Hodkuwitz
Speaker 1: over there, and weston one of our shows from Indie.
Speaker 1: We talked quite a bit about the Wisconsin Badgers top
Speaker 1: tight end Troy fu mcgali. He's considered, you know, a
Speaker 1: mid round draft pick, I guess I would say in
Speaker 1: this upcoming draft. But he was one of six Wisconsin
Speaker 1: Badgers at the Combine, and three of those other five
Speaker 1: are all linebackers. And I'm talking about Jack Sitchy, Leon Jacobs,
Speaker 1: and Garrett Dooley. You had a chance to sit down
Speaker 1: with them when they met with the media. Sounded like
Speaker 1: three old college teammates who were enjoying a little reunion
Speaker 1: off the football field. Yeah, first and foremost, if Garrett
Speaker 1: Dooley can find his way to Green Bay, Wisconsin after
Speaker 1: this draft process, I know the media would be very happy. Really,
Speaker 1: I've by far probably one of my favorite interviews at
Speaker 1: the Combine. Just a very gregarious guy came the long
Speaker 1: way to get to where he is, which is a
Speaker 1: common theme, it seems like with a lot of these
Speaker 1: Badger's prospects. But what the NFL actually did on Saturday,
Speaker 1: they put them all at the same table, Leon Jacob,
Speaker 1: Scarrett Dooley, Jack Cichy. They were all there, um and
Speaker 1: there's only so many media people from Green Bay, so
Speaker 1: you pretty much got one on one time with all
Speaker 1: of them if you wanted them. Uh. And it was
Speaker 1: interesting going back with Dooley and in replaying this past
Speaker 1: season and what it was like for them and what
Speaker 1: those linebackers and what that defense went through when it
Speaker 1: was told to them that Jack Cichy would miss the
Speaker 1: season with that torn a c L a deflating moment
Speaker 1: for those guys, and really, uh, it took time, he said,
Speaker 1: It took a good week for them to really compose
Speaker 1: themselves again and be like, all right, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: have our leader, We're not going to have that emotional
Speaker 1: presence out there on the field. We all have to
Speaker 1: elevate our games. And you're talking about a defense that
Speaker 1: was already preparing because they weren't going to have Vince
Speaker 1: Bagel and t J. Watt at two of those key
Speaker 1: linebacker spots because they had been drafted. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the bell Cow guy you know coming
Speaker 1: back was Jack Cichy and now he's out as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And Citchi even said to it was difficult for him.
Speaker 1: His dad actually got him a journal right after the
Speaker 1: injury happened, and that allowed him to gather some of
Speaker 1: his thoughts and he said that was one of the
Speaker 1: things that end up leading to him writing that Players
Speaker 1: Tribute piece, kind of reflecting on his time in Madison,
Speaker 1: the fact he only did play twenty four games due
Speaker 1: to injury, but Sichi ended up becoming basically a pseudo
Speaker 1: coach with the defensive staff throughout the course of this season,
Speaker 1: and you saw guys like Dooley who a year earlier
Speaker 1: had started his first game in the big house, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and and really had to just kind of
Speaker 1: find his way as a starting outside linebacker. He has
Speaker 1: seven and a half sacks to lead the defense during
Speaker 1: his final year. Leon Jacobs, which basically played every position
Speaker 1: that the badgress could offer him throughout his five years
Speaker 1: and including fullback. Well, he ends up moving in starting
Speaker 1: outside linebacker opposite Dully and is pretty productive there. The
Speaker 1: numbers sacks wise probably weren't there, but his athleticism is
Speaker 1: through the roof, and Dully even said he's the kind
Speaker 1: of guy that's just built in a lab, which ended
Speaker 1: up being pretty much proven correct with the reps that
Speaker 1: he did on the bench. I think it was twenty
Speaker 1: six and then also his forty time, which was sub
Speaker 1: four or five. A lot of athleticism there. So all
Speaker 1: these guys are trying to now make their way in
Speaker 1: the NFL and find a way into that conversation. But
Speaker 1: one thing that definitely helped them, they said after being
Speaker 1: away from each other for really two months after they
Speaker 1: got done with that Bowl game, getting back together, being
Speaker 1: able to rekindle a lot of those relationships, and as
Speaker 1: Dooley said, to be able to be in Indianapolis trying
Speaker 1: to really audition for an NFL team, There's no way
Speaker 1: better way to do it than with your best friends. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And two other Badgers who were at the combine both
Speaker 1: defensive backs, cornerback Nick Nelson and safety Natrelle Jamerson. But
Speaker 1: I think the most maybe intriguing one other than Fumgali
Speaker 1: with with his pedigree and what he accomplished over his
Speaker 1: career heading into the draft, the intriguing one to me
Speaker 1: is sitchy. And I'm not saying that. You know, he
Speaker 1: would have been talked about, you know, like a Miles Jack,
Speaker 1: one of these top linebackers who then you know, had
Speaker 1: this serious knee injury and then you wonder where his
Speaker 1: draft stock is. But he didn't really get a chance
Speaker 1: to be the guy at Wisconsin. You know, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: Vince Bagel and t J. Watt both get drafted, and
Speaker 1: and you know, two thousand seventeen was supposed to be
Speaker 1: Jack Cichy as the center of attention, so to speak,
Speaker 1: on a very good Wisconsin defense, and that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: So you just wonder, you wonder what that does. You know,
Speaker 1: I would I would have thought, uh, you know, for
Speaker 1: whatever my opinion is worth that Jack Cichy, if everything
Speaker 1: goes according to plan in he's probably a mid round
Speaker 1: draft pick now coming with the injury and everything. You
Speaker 1: wonder if he's going to get drafted, will somebody take
Speaker 1: a flyer on him, so to speak, in the sixth
Speaker 1: or the seventh round. But there's one thing, one thing
Speaker 1: about him, you know, with what he's done and coming
Speaker 1: back from the knee injury and everything, he's certainly it's
Speaker 1: certainly not going to be for a lack of effort
Speaker 1: and a lack of work. He's done what it takes
Speaker 1: to to try to put himself in the best position possible.
Speaker 1: As Julie said, people gravitate towards him, whether he was
Speaker 1: acting as a coach, whether he was on the field,
Speaker 1: whatever he was doing people wanted to be like Jack Cichy,
Speaker 1: and it's the reason why I dually said if he
Speaker 1: could take any teammate into the NFL with him, it
Speaker 1: would for sure be Citchy. Now I was talking with
Speaker 1: him a little bit, he mentioned he feels like he's
Speaker 1: right now. He's hoping to Actually he only really did
Speaker 1: the bench press at the combine. I think he did
Speaker 1: nineteen reps of that. He's hoping to be able to
Speaker 1: do more drills during the Wisconsin Pro Day, which will
Speaker 1: be coming up later this month. He estimated that he's
Speaker 1: not that far away from being able to run potentially
Speaker 1: of forty, but only time will tell. His biggest goal
Speaker 1: is basically by mid May end in May, to be
Speaker 1: ready to go and to be able to start contributing
Speaker 1: uh and once training camp comes around, show that he's
Speaker 1: he's going to be healthy. The one benefit, it's an
Speaker 1: incredibly big silver lining, but the fact it did happen
Speaker 1: in August, it's given him seven months to recover and
Speaker 1: and hopefully for his perspective, can keep him in the
Speaker 1: conversation for playing this season. Yeah. Well, one of these
Speaker 1: Wisconsin Badger stories very interesting to follow. But with that
Speaker 1: we will throw it to a break back with more
Speaker 1: on Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packer's Unscripted.
Speaker 1: Mike Spofford next to West, hod Kwits and West. I
Speaker 1: know in our last show we talked quite a bit
Speaker 1: about the cornerback position, but we didn't address the safeties,
Speaker 1: and I think it's worth mentioning a couple of these guys,
Speaker 1: especially the ones who were being talked about at the
Speaker 1: top of the draft, because it's almost as though they're
Speaker 1: not safeties anymore there. You know, when you're talking about
Speaker 1: Alabama's Minca Fitzpatrick, Florida States Derwin James, probably the first
Speaker 1: two safeties that are going to go off the board,
Speaker 1: you're talking about super versatile, hybrid type players. They can
Speaker 1: play deep safety, they can play in the box, they
Speaker 1: can play slot cornerback. I'm sure the hybrid linebacker thing
Speaker 1: would would be right up there, Alley. You know, they
Speaker 1: can blitz off the edge if called upon, They can
Speaker 1: cover one on one, whether it's tight ends or wide receivers.
Speaker 1: These guys are are the type that are becoming incredibly
Speaker 1: valuable in the NFL. And you can see just you know,
Speaker 1: not just because of the athletic ability, but overall their
Speaker 1: what they show on tape and all these different things
Speaker 1: that they do for their college teams and for their
Speaker 1: college defenses. It just it just elevates their draft stock.
Speaker 1: I mean both Fitzpatrick and James. You're talking about potential
Speaker 1: top ten picks here. Yeah, and for that reason, because
Speaker 1: versatility and those hybrid traits are so difficult to find,
Speaker 1: and being able to have people that not only can
Speaker 1: do that athletically but understand all those different concepts and
Speaker 1: in various things are being asked to him. Fitzpatrick has
Speaker 1: a really good background in this. I mean he had
Speaker 1: to already do some of this in his jew. You know,
Speaker 1: the year before, which I believe would be a sophomore
Speaker 1: year at Alabama, Eddie Jackson goes down. He was playing star.
Speaker 1: Then he has to go and play safety. This year,
Speaker 1: they just played him everywhere that they wanted to. Uh.
Speaker 1: He has great speed, great intangibles, and a real knack
Speaker 1: for football. I mean the Scutting report I saw. I
Speaker 1: think with NFL draft scout loves ball, lives ball was
Speaker 1: their number one strength with him, and you could get
Speaker 1: a sense of that you were talking to him. I mean,
Speaker 1: how much it really means to him to play this game.
Speaker 1: And you look at it league wide. Now, Mike the
Speaker 1: top defense in the league. They have somebody like that,
Speaker 1: the Tyron Matthews, I mean, the Mike, the Mark Barrens,
Speaker 1: just guys that do everything for a defense in Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: and and obviously a lot of these guys have these traits,
Speaker 1: but it really is the golden era I think for
Speaker 1: safety is being able to have this amount of versatility,
Speaker 1: and not only that but also value. Now. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and that that's what I mean when I talk about
Speaker 1: the value because in a sense, what we're seeing in
Speaker 1: terms of the draft stock of players like this is
Speaker 1: it's a shift. Obviously, there's value in versatility because because
Speaker 1: of injuries, out of necessity, you know, coaches love to
Speaker 1: be able to move different guys around. These type of guys,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about, you know, versatility just for the
Speaker 1: sake of versatility. We're talking about them being a defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator's chess piece on the board, sort of like Clay
Speaker 1: Matthews is sometimes for the Packers. Certain pass rushers become, um,
Speaker 1: you know, those chess pieces for defensive coordinators. These hyper
Speaker 1: athletic safeties for for lack of a better phrase, these
Speaker 1: are the guys who might be developing into those those
Speaker 1: next those next chess pieces for de coordinators, don't you
Speaker 1: think quivocally? And then looking at Derwin James stats, just
Speaker 1: bringing them up four point seven forty four point four
Speaker 1: seven forty four seven will be a little different UHT
Speaker 1: vertical twenty one reps on the bench press? Are you
Speaker 1: kidding for a safety for for a guy that's six three? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's gonna get a lot of teams thinking
Speaker 1: and being able to find these type of guys and
Speaker 1: develop them. It's not easy, you know, it's gonna take
Speaker 1: some time, and sometimes guys are able to come in
Speaker 1: and adapt to it sooner than others. But with both
Speaker 1: of them coming from these Power five conferences and in
Speaker 1: programs that have such a history in developing these kind
Speaker 1: of players, I think it's going to help them out
Speaker 1: in the long run. But I think hearing both of
Speaker 1: them talk and hearing a lot of these safeties talk
Speaker 1: this week, and every single person is selling themselves on
Speaker 1: being able to play both safety spots, being able to
Speaker 1: play the slot cornerback positions, and if you need me
Speaker 1: in the box, I'll be there. It's just that those
Speaker 1: type of intangibles that when you look now and you
Speaker 1: get a prospect, you have a guy come in, you
Speaker 1: don't just have to say, all right, well he feels
Speaker 1: that whole that's where he's gonna play, No, because sometimes
Speaker 1: you have a Morgan Burnett already there ha ha, Clinton Dick.
Speaker 1: Sometimes guys need to do other things. And I think
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that makes it most enticing
Speaker 1: to look at these type of players is because it
Speaker 1: isn't just one position, it's four or five. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: doubt about it. With that, we're gonna go to another
Speaker 1: break back with more on Packers Unscripted right after this
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair,
Speaker 1: West Hodkowitz in that one, and West before we go
Speaker 1: another defensive back, and I don't mean to beat the
Speaker 1: subject to death, but yeah, another guy that we do
Speaker 1: need to talk about, though, and that is Duke Dawson
Speaker 1: from the University of Florida, Gainesville, the Gators and maybe
Speaker 1: a name that that fans don't necessarily recognize, but there's
Speaker 1: a pretty neat Packer connection with with Mr Dawson. Tell
Speaker 1: Us about there is he's god brothers with Nick Collins,
Speaker 1: the former Packers safety, three time Pro bowler, obviously was
Speaker 1: on his way to having a pretty you can make
Speaker 1: an argument for a Hall of Fame type career at
Speaker 1: the time of that neck injury. But he's grown up
Speaker 1: with Nick Collins in his life. He basically considers him
Speaker 1: his blood brother. With just how close their families are.
Speaker 1: I believe the tie in is that his mother or
Speaker 1: collins mother is his godmother. I forget all that works,
Speaker 1: but regardless, this is a guy that has trained with
Speaker 1: Nick Collins. He watched every single one of his games
Speaker 1: when he played from the Packers from beginning, middle and end,
Speaker 1: and obviously that includes Super Bowl forty five, which is
Speaker 1: one of probably the marquis moments of Collins' career. Doubt
Speaker 1: and he he joked about this too a little bit
Speaker 1: because his original plan when he was getting ready to
Speaker 1: go out and you know, attempt to you know, make
Speaker 1: this a college career, he was thinking he might end
Speaker 1: up at like a one double a school like Collins did,
Speaker 1: like a Bethune Cookman or something like that. And then
Speaker 1: the big school started calling the Alabama's the big schools
Speaker 1: in the South. He also joked that his whole goal
Speaker 1: in life when he was younger, as he always wanted
Speaker 1: to play at Florida State. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: looked at his bio or not, like he played at
Speaker 1: Florida instead, had a chance to go down there, visit
Speaker 1: that campus and decided to switch his allegiances and it
Speaker 1: turned out pretty well for him during his time with
Speaker 1: the Gators. Yeah, what what are you hearing? What's the
Speaker 1: scuttle butt so to speak on just how highly rated
Speaker 1: a prospect here? Yeah, So what's interesting is he's kind
Speaker 1: of similar that he plays a much he has he
Speaker 1: said he plays a much different position from from Collins,
Speaker 1: but he's sort of similar in his build a little bit.
Speaker 1: Five ten two oh eight, isn't the tallest cornerback in
Speaker 1: the world. Basically played that nickel slot corner at Florida.
Speaker 1: So because of that that specification, he's probably not going
Speaker 1: to get those round and one, maybe round two looks,
Speaker 1: but a definite middle round prospect that I think a
Speaker 1: lot of teams are gonna be looking at. And as
Speaker 1: I mentioned some of the earlier shows, um with the
Speaker 1: way that this league has evolved and how spread offenses work.
Speaker 1: You don't need to necessarily be six to anymore five,
Speaker 1: you know, eleven and a quarter in order to get
Speaker 1: on the team's radars. You're five tens sometimes that will do.
Speaker 1: His biggest takeaway though, from his time with Collins, going
Speaker 1: back and watching him play while they were at different positions,
Speaker 1: the type of tackler that Collins was, and just how
Speaker 1: much he how assertive he was in the open field.
Speaker 1: That's something he tried to take away from his game
Speaker 1: and implemented into his own and now as he prepares
Speaker 1: for that next level, taking a lot of those lessons
Speaker 1: that he got from Collins and trying to you know,
Speaker 1: make his own career now and show that you know,
Speaker 1: he's Collins, isn't the only one from that that branch
Speaker 1: that that can play. Yeah, and you wonder what a
Speaker 1: guy like Nick Collins thinks and that, you know, we've
Speaker 1: talked about it before obviously how unfortunate it was that
Speaker 1: his career ended when it did. But going back to
Speaker 1: our last segment talking about these versatile safeties and all
Speaker 1: these different roles these guys are playing. I mean, Nick
Speaker 1: Collins came out of Bethune Cookman with blazing speed, he was.
Speaker 1: He was a super fast guy, had tremendous range as
Speaker 1: a center fielder, which is why Ted Thompson drafted him
Speaker 1: in the second round even though he was coming from
Speaker 1: such a small school. He's certainly a guy who would
Speaker 1: who would fit right in with what is going on
Speaker 1: at the safety position in the NFL. Gosh, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: if if this was two thousand eleven, if if you
Speaker 1: could go back and change history a little bit, how
Speaker 1: this defense adapted, how this league adapted. I think Nick
Speaker 1: Collins would have went right along with that, just because
Speaker 1: he could do so many different things. Mike, he was
Speaker 1: a ball hawk. He was a guy that could play
Speaker 1: in the box. He was a good tackler, could blitz.
Speaker 1: The way he blitz or the way he developed over time,
Speaker 1: it was it was impressive to watch. Yeah. Alright, Well,
Speaker 1: with that, we've got to call it a wrap on
Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all
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Speaker 1: for tuning in, everybody, We'll see you next time. M HM.