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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is wes hodka Witz. We're

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Speaker 1: coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field

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Speaker 1: and West. Still plenty of items from the Scouting Combine

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Speaker 1: to talk about our long trip from last week. We

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Speaker 1: obviously covered a lot of topics while we were there,

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Speaker 1: but still more to talk about since we've been back,

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Speaker 1: and the one we definitely have to hit on is

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Speaker 1: the linebacker from u c F, Shaq Griffin. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember there ever being a story this good from the combine.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what this guy is doing and the fact

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Speaker 1: that he almost wasn't even invited to be there, and

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Speaker 1: yet he ends up becoming the story of the week

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Speaker 1: in Indie. H just remarkable. What what Shack Griffin is

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Speaker 1: doing here. Three week reasons why I love this story. One,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you know anything about him,

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Speaker 1: he does not have a left hand. When he was

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Speaker 1: four years old, he was born with a condition that

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Speaker 1: caused great amount of pain in it, you know, under

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Speaker 1: four years old. His twin brother, Quill is already playing

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Speaker 1: for the Seattle Seahawks. He was a draft pick last year,

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Speaker 1: and it's funny just hearing their banter back and forth

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Speaker 1: in chakuom Shack. He actually was like tweeting out right

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Speaker 1: after he ran the forty and four point three eight,

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Speaker 1: he's somebody needs to do like one of those synchronized

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Speaker 1: things where it's me versus my brother. I mean, his

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Speaker 1: personality is just remarkable. It's off the charts. He was,

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Speaker 1: by far, I think, the most compelling guy at the podium,

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Speaker 1: and he talked with the media before he even went

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Speaker 1: and did that forty. It was after he did the

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Speaker 1: twenty bench reps using a kind of a prosthetic that

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Speaker 1: helped him with that as well. He wanted to do

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Speaker 1: six his max was eleven. He did, and and the

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Speaker 1: thing I think that that ties this all together, that

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Speaker 1: just makes it such an incredible story, is the fact

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Speaker 1: that he said, you know, his whole goal through this thing.

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Speaker 1: People say, well, you can't do this, you can't do that.

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Speaker 1: You can't play in the NFL with one arm one hand,

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Speaker 1: Well you, And then his rebuttal to that was, well

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Speaker 1: you can't play in the NFL with two hands. What

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Speaker 1: does that say about you, I mean the journey this

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Speaker 1: and then to show out the way he did during

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Speaker 1: the combine. I I don't know, you'd have to go back.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's something in history that has been up

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Speaker 1: there with it. But this is one of the most

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Speaker 1: compelling things that I've that I've seen in my And

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Speaker 1: you know, these guys, these young guys, they all get

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Speaker 1: excited for the combine. Everybody's got the nerves going, you

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Speaker 1: got the adrenaline going. But you just wonder how much

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Speaker 1: adrenaline is going through Shatt Griffin when, as you said,

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Speaker 1: his previous max on the bench was eleven reps of

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Speaker 1: two pounds and he did twenty. And then he goes

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Speaker 1: a four three eight And just to put that in perspective,

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Speaker 1: that's the fastest combine forty yard dash time by a

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Speaker 1: linebacker in fifteen years. Two thousand and three was the

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Speaker 1: last time that somebody a linebacker ran a sub for four.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's amazing. This guy almost wasn't invited to

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Speaker 1: or seventh round of the draft. Now you start to wonder,

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Speaker 1: the one hand. You're trying, you're talking about trying to

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Speaker 1: He's going to be probably the number one overall pick,

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Speaker 1: but certainly within the top two or three picks. How

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Speaker 1: I mean, now it's like I want to see it

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Speaker 1: He was incredibly productive. I think he was a former

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Speaker 1: it really translates to football, you can have that debate.

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Speaker 1: But there's a difference, Michael, between doing this in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: who is timing it? It's not automatic. I mean things,

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Speaker 1: he's definitely getting picked. Now. He talked about what that

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Speaker 1: There will be no I don't want to say no humility,

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Speaker 1: It's tough. Mike second day Draft picks second and third round.

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Speaker 1: a break back with more on Packers Unscripted. Read after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford here, Wes Hodkuwitz

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Speaker 1: over there, and weston one of our shows from Indie.

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Speaker 1: We talked quite a bit about the Wisconsin Badgers top

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Speaker 1: interesting going back with Dooley and in replaying this past

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Speaker 1: and you saw guys like Dooley who a year earlier

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Speaker 1: Collins came out of Bethune Cookman with blazing speed, he was.

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Speaker 1: He was a super fast guy, had tremendous range as

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Speaker 1: a center fielder, which is why Ted Thompson drafted him

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Speaker 1: in the second round even though he was coming from

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Speaker 1: such a small school. He's certainly a guy who would

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Speaker 1: who would fit right in with what is going on

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Speaker 1: at the safety position in the NFL. Gosh, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if if this was two thousand eleven, if if you

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Speaker 1: could go back and change history a little bit, how

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Speaker 1: this defense adapted, how this league adapted. I think Nick

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Speaker 1: Collins would have went right along with that, just because

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Speaker 1: he could do so many different things. Mike, he was

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Speaker 1: a ball hawk. He was a guy that could play

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Speaker 1: in the box. He was a good tackler, could blitz.

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Speaker 1: The way he blitz or the way he developed over time,

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Speaker 1: it was it was impressive to watch. Yeah. Alright, Well,

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Speaker 1: with that, we've got to call it a wrap on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all

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