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Speaker 1: First question you asked everybody when you first got to

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Wow, Well I got in the league in nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 3: I was drafted by the Mavericks fourth overall and we

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Speaker 3: were horrible. So we won like, like I think, thirteen

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Speaker 3: games my first year and my first I can remember

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Speaker 3: my first exhibition game was against the Clippers when they

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Speaker 3: had Mark Acguire and Dominique Wilkins at the forward spots.

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Speaker 3: That was the first time that I realized that I

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Speaker 3: could play in the league. But I think the first

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Speaker 3: person that got me was Charles Barkley.

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Speaker 2: He got me.

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Speaker 4: I didn't expect much, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of people don't realize that if you

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Speaker 3: took Michael Jordan out of the league, Charles Barkley might

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Speaker 3: have been the best player in the league at that

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Speaker 3: particular time. Yeah, and so a lot of people forget

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Speaker 3: about Charles and see them on TV and everything like that.

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Speaker 3: But you know, he was a beast. I mean he

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Speaker 3: could run for days, not run for days, but he

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Speaker 3: was very athletic. Najib the handler ball six four sixty five,

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Speaker 3: powerful and he used to joke with me all the time,

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Speaker 3: and when he would guard me and stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: he would tell me to stop dribbling the ball because

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Speaker 3: he didn't like forwards handling the.

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Speaker 4: Ball like that.

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Speaker 3: So I would say Charles Barkley was the guy that

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Speaker 3: gave me the business and made me reevaluate my position

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Speaker 3: in the league. And then also he was the only guy.

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Speaker 3: There's only three guys that I've gotten autographs from. That's

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Speaker 3: Charles Barkley, Alan Iverson and the kim olash one. So

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Speaker 3: those were my three.

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Speaker 4: That's a good group right there.

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Speaker 2: Yo yo yo. We live on location.

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Speaker 5: Me and d Miles still staying safely in Orlando, chilling

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Speaker 5: this one.

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Speaker 2: We coming to the Big Dog.

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Speaker 5: We coming and we got the Monster in the building

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Speaker 5: from Harlem straight out.

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Speaker 2: Of New York.

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Speaker 5: UK's finess all start legend in the league and now

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Speaker 5: he a big time bout beyond basketball, owning so much

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Speaker 5: stuff after it don't make no sense, man, this is

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Speaker 5: big for us.

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Speaker 2: Y'all don't know, y'all need to learn.

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Speaker 5: We got your mom Monster mash Burn in the building

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Speaker 5: with in Miami coming to us in Miami.

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Speaker 2: It Big Dog, It is brought to you by th style.

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Speaker 1: I used to look forward to our matchups with you

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Speaker 1: because I knew you was a great scorer, and I

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Speaker 1: knew I was good at defense, and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: just disrupt all the great scores.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying coming into the league.

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Speaker 1: Like your one thing that I loved about you and

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Speaker 1: your game, it's like your pace from college and everything,

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Speaker 1: Like nobody can speed you up, you can't slow you

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Speaker 1: down like you always played at.

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Speaker 6: Your own pace. And I remember playing as you used to.

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Speaker 1: Bust my ass like I used to be pissed about

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Speaker 1: that shit. I used to try to use my athleticism quickness,

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Speaker 1: and that shit didn't work at all. You just do

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Speaker 1: what you want to do, get it where you want

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Speaker 1: to get it at You took what I gave you.

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Speaker 1: You speed up, you slow down where you get your

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Speaker 1: pace from?

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Speaker 4: Well. I was born and raised in Harlem, and I

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Speaker 4: played with a lot of guards, and I was always

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Speaker 3: So I was six or seven in high school, and

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Speaker 3: everybody wants you to put you at center whatever. I

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Speaker 3: a lot of the guards in New York cities didn't

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Speaker 4: Ball, so I used to.

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Speaker 3: I decided that, you know what, I'm a rebound the

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Speaker 4: And that's where it started for me.

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Speaker 3: And then instead of bound the ball just to make

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Speaker 3: So I started to develop pace and being able to

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Speaker 3: manipulate the ball at an early age, you know, and

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Speaker 3: but I also considered myself a good defender because I

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Speaker 3: was a very good offensive player, you know. And I

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Speaker 3: think very good offensive players can be naturally good defenders

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Speaker 3: because you know where to anticipate at, you know where

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Speaker 4: So for me, yeah, you didn't seen it.

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Speaker 3: Also for me, it was a combination of pace but

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Speaker 3: also being able to get you on my body rather

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Speaker 4: And as you guys know, back in the days, you

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Speaker 4: could hand chack.

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Speaker 3: And for a guy that can handle the ball, we

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Speaker 3: love for you to hand chack because I can turn

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Speaker 3: buy you and lose leverage against you. So for me,

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Speaker 3: it was all about handling and also being able to

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Speaker 3: make the pass. And to be honest, I had more

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Speaker 3: trouble with guys like Quentin Renchison than I had guys

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Speaker 3: with lymb Because guys with Quintin he was strong, sturdy,

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Speaker 3: then also when I spun, he had enough body to

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Speaker 3: got to the long quicker guys like itself and Scottie Pittman,

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Speaker 3: to me, it was I can play with it, I

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Speaker 6: I can't wait to see the mins up.

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Speaker 4: To me.

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Speaker 5: I struggled with the length and all that. When somebody

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Speaker 5: me and strong like I'll come on, I could. I

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Speaker 5: could deal with that because when somebody gonna get strong,

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Speaker 5: I had counters. I'm gonna bang you in baite you

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Speaker 5: and me, and as soon as I feel you think

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Speaker 5: I'm about to coming, I'm gone that way. But like

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Speaker 5: the Lyncet Des, I can buzz the miles ass.

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Speaker 2: But you know that's friends. I had him in my back,

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Speaker 2: you know that ship the back of my head. You

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Speaker 2: can't do that.

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Speaker 6: No booty ballping, No let you touch the body, none

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Speaker 6: of that shit. I meet him up top.

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Speaker 3: So for me, when when it got to guys with LYNGB,

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Speaker 3: the one thing that I looked at was my initial

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Speaker 3: feet to get happy and dance, and then once I

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Speaker 3: knew your feet could dance with any move, I can

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Speaker 3: control you at that particular time. So my dad was

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Speaker 3: a professional boxer. He thought Larry Holmes and Ken Norton,

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Speaker 3: so he taught me a lot about utilizing the jab

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Speaker 4: Things like that. And to me, that was just footwork,

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Speaker 3: So once I got you moving where I wanted you

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Speaker 3: to move, oh, I can control you. Guys that I

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Speaker 3: had problems with with guys like Quinton and another guy.

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Speaker 4: Dennis Scott was another guy.

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Speaker 3: And the reason why because if you give him that

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Speaker 3: initial fake you know he was he was a guy

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Speaker 3: would call like a skinny fact, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: You give him that initial faith, he ain't going for

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Speaker 3: because he needed more time to react, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. There was no cross over there. So I

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Speaker 3: had to get to a hesy and go with him.

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Speaker 5: Just three D is going to appreciate this, and he's

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Speaker 5: gonna want all his old to know they look mass

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Speaker 5: Burn saying he had problems with nobody would expect this,

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Speaker 5: this is shot, sideline shot, he leave it, three Shooters,

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Speaker 5: Paradise and everything else.

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Speaker 2: The Masburn saying he had problems with three D then it.

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Speaker 3: Scott and Glenn Robinson were probably my toughest big Big Dog.

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Speaker 4: Big Dog was.

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Speaker 2: Yeh.

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Speaker 3: I played him in the playoffs and he was one

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Speaker 3: of those guys, you know, one to dribble and he

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Speaker 3: can rise on it and high art.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, he used to fuck me up too. He's

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Speaker 6: giving that business.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he gets enough props for what he

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Speaker 3: was able to deliver and put in the n b A.

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Speaker 3: You know, even as a college basketball player, I produce

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Speaker 5: I love the best saying all the things because literally

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Speaker 5: we just had him on here the other day and

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Speaker 5: we just told him that exact same thing.

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Speaker 2: Same for you though. These young boys, they not.

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Speaker 5: Informed enough about y'all boys, and how y'all really brought it,

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Speaker 5: how y'all really paid the way and made way for them,

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Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying, especially when you look

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Speaker 5: at like you big deal.

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Speaker 2: I tell D. D. Miles all the time, I got

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Speaker 2: two boys.

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Speaker 5: I feel like they both gonna be somewhere between six

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Speaker 2: I hope six s eight.

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Speaker 5: But I'm telling you, like D mind you heard me

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Speaker 5: say this, I be showing I shaw him, big Dog,

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Speaker 5: I shaw him Mellow, I saw him, k D.

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Speaker 2: I shaw him you.

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Speaker 5: I saw him Marktguire and then I show him obviously

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Speaker 5: I shaw him MJ.

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Speaker 2: But like these is the people.

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Speaker 5: And then I show him Sharif because Sharif people don't

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Speaker 5: know that Sharif I do.

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Speaker 2: He was my favorite play.

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Speaker 5: That's why I wore number three, and that he was

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Speaker 5: my fast I saw when he saw him play when

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Speaker 5: he was at cal they played you University of Illinois United saying,

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Speaker 5: and I got to see him play, Sharif was it

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Speaker 5: for me. These is the dudes. When I'm sitting there

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Speaker 5: and I'm going on YouTube with my little dudes, I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm a big believer that you know the way I

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Speaker 3: kind of and why I went to University of Kentucky

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Speaker 3: was because of Rick Patino, because he was the one

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Speaker 3: not a position you're basketball, but you should be comfortable

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Speaker 3: in every aspect of the game. And that's how I

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Speaker 3: looked at it. You should be able to handle. It

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Speaker 3: should not be a place on the court where I

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Speaker 3: throw you the ball where you can't operate.

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Speaker 4: You know. In this today's game, it's about versatility at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day. And I think that's how

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Speaker 4: basketball should have been played.

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Speaker 3: It should be positionless because when I go when I

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Speaker 3: was younger and played pick up, it wasn't nobody talking

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Speaker 1: That's it, like they say, you got a big man

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Speaker 1: over it, and be like, oh shit, let me get

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Speaker 1: a big dude, because there's nobody to go out to

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Speaker 3: But it's changed, you know, And I actually liked the

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Speaker 3: way basketball is played now. There's a lot more freedom

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Speaker 3: for skill and different things like that. I was much

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Speaker 3: more into the skill part of it. But I played

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Speaker 3: were also where you know, it was jail basketball.

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Speaker 4: Too, you know what I mean. In the eighties, You

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Speaker 4: know what I mean, you had to jump off two

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Speaker 4: feet and what no.

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Speaker 2: One jump off one you might not you might not.

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Speaker 1: Be right, yeah, to protect your land and you got

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Speaker 1: so yeah, and it was a seven foot of there

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Speaker 4: So keep the game going so you can work on

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Speaker 4: Man, We're just trying to you know.

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Speaker 3: I thought I should be coached by somebody who coached

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Speaker 3: And I looked at it just as an opportunity. I

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Speaker 4: So it just happened to be.

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Speaker 3: And then he started to recruit guys like Antoine Walker,

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Speaker 2: So take me back to that both of those runs.

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Speaker 5: so mad you made that damn shot and like you

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Speaker 5: already know, we all was was Nashburn fans anyway, So

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Speaker 5: like going through that, Like you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: Yes, So that moment was you.

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Speaker 4: But we can enlighten them. Basketball at that time was

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Speaker 3: The fans fair behind them. They were almost like the

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Speaker 4: So we already had a relationship. And then also Bobby

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00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,119
Speaker 4: Hurley is from Jersey.

449
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 3: Bobby Hurley played against you know, he was with the

450
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 3: club called the road Runners out of Jersey and I

451
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,679
Speaker 3: played for the Couch Shows.

452
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we.

453
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 4: There you go, so that was a big Jersey club.

454
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 3: And also he went to Saint Anthony's as well, and

455
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 3: we played against him in high school. So I knew

456
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 3: some of those guys, but didn't know Christian Latner at all.

457
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 3: And just to go back to that moment, nobody really

458
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 3: believed in Kentucky basketball because we were coming off probation

459
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 3: and when you looked at the lineup, my name was

460
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 3: the only one that stood out. Nobody knew who the

461
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 3: other players were, so we were completely underdog. So our

462
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,439
Speaker 3: mentality was.

463
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 4: Yo, let's go whoop, you know, let's go play, you know.

464
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 3: And one thing I will say about coach Patino, at

465
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 3: least when he coached me.

466
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 4: You can do whatever you.

467
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 3: Want to do on the offensive end, as long as

468
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: you don't shoot a three point shot with your foot

469
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 3: on that line.

470
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 4: You will take your ass out. If you your line, if.

471
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 2: You were shot in basketball, make a miss, he taking

472
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 2: your ass out.

473
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 3: And I remember in that game, and you guys know

474
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 3: how you get into his zone as an individual, but

475
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 3: I remember the collective was in the zone.

476
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 4: You know.

477
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 3: It was like one of those pickup games that that

478
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: could last forever. That's what that game felt like. It

479
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 3: was like the coaches took a step back and yeah,

480
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 3: just play and coach Patino didn't make a lot of adjustments.

481
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 3: Mike Ryzewsky didn't make a lot of adjustments, even though

482
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: they did some in game stuff, but for the.

483
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 4: Most part, they let the players play. And I tell

484
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 4: people it was one.

485
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 3: Of the best organized pickup games with uniforms on that

486
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: I ever played in, you know, because that's what it

487
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 3: felt like, and I think that's what we all lived for.

488
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 4: We would play free if all the games were like that,

489
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 4: you know, like to get that feeling.

490
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it was like everybody was in the zone

491
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: and I remember after the game we had lost and

492
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 3: Coach Patino comes into the locker room and he had

493
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: this Sports Illustrated article that said Kentucky Shane and it

494
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: was talking about Kentucky going on probation and he made

495
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 3: the comment, look.

496
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 4: How far we have come.

497
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 3: And I was thinking about leaving school early my sophomore

498
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: year to turn pro.

499
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 2: I came back.

500
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: I came back because I had the opportunity to go

501
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 3: play against the first Dream Team in nineteen ninety two,

502
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: and playing against the first Dream Team before my junior year,

503
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: Coach Patino called me in and he was like, wait

504
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 3: one more year, You're gonna.

505
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 4: Be a top four pick because you played really well

506
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 4: out there.

507
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 3: So for me, that nineteen ninety two through Kentucky game

508
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 3: was actually the lead in to play against the first

509
00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 3: Dream Team that skyrocketed me to turn and pro. So

510
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 3: that game has a lot of significance for me rather

511
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: than just to score wins and losses.

512
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 4: How was that to play against the drink like dreams?

513
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: This is like the legends are all legends, bosses are

514
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 1: all bossed, But this is.

515
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 2: A game that correct me if I'm wrong.

516
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 5: Where y'all came in and tuned the Dream Team up right,

517
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 5: the legendary game where the cottage guys came in and

518
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 5: Chuck Dailey, let y'all ted ass up, and as soon

519
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 5: as y'all started getting back, he ended it right.

520
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, so funny. So so a lot of people taking, Man,

521
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 4: I know my history, I know my history. I'm like, look,

522
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 4: very good memory, very good memory.

523
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 3: So we were in nineteen ninety two, Well let me

524
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 3: take it back nineteen ninety eighty nine, eighty seven. A

525
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 3: lot of guys weren't talking about going pros like he did.

526
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: The miles out of high school happened. Wasn't happening. Me,

527
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 3: I'm over here, get out of here.

528
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

529
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 4: It wasn't happening. It wasn't happening, and it wasn't even

530
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 4: a thought.

531
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 3: For some guys, it was more or less, let me

532
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 3: get to college and I want to play in the Olympics.

533
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 6: They weren't doing one of donn It.

534
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: Was three and dons at the best two and you

535
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And so when we got an invitation.

536
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 4: It was eight of us.

537
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: It was myself, Bobby Hurley, Alan Houston, Chris Webber, Rodney Rogers,

538
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 3: Eric Montrose Hanyers, Yeah, and.

539
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 4: Grant Hill was on that squad. So Roy Williams was

540
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 4: our head coach.

541
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: And so they shot us a bone and said come

542
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 3: out to La Joya, San Diego and be a part

543
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: of the Select team that practiced against the Dream Team.

544
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, let's go out there.

545
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: So we get to La Joya, San Diego and we

546
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: check into the Marriott and they had the hotel split

547
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 3: in half from the Olympic team and the Select team

548
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 3: stayed on one side of the hotel, and they had

549
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: a security guard at the door, so you had to

550
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: show your key. So me and Chris Webber, we're in

551
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 3: a we go up to our floor and we're walking

552
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: in the corridor and we see this.

553
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 4: Tall white guy coming down the hall and I'm like, damn,

554
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 4: that looked like Larry Bird. So Larry Bird coming down

555
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 4: the hallway, me and Chris Webber and Larry Bird. You

556
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 4: don't realize how big Larry Bird is until you stand

557
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 4: the Laddy Bird legit six' ten last him when he

558
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 4: was coaching. Up that was, like, damn, yeah it was that.

559
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 4: BIG i was liked up. Up so he walked by

560
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 4: us and he, says y'all those college, guys and we was, like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

561
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 4: yeah we the college.

562
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 3: Guys and he looked at us and he, said get

563
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: some fucking. Rest it's going to be a long week

564
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: and walked off and.

565
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 4: We was, like what the? Hell look out of gut us. In,

566
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 4: yeah like, okay you, know all, right what's going?

567
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: ON i wanted to, say what's? Up and.

568
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 4: This is in the. Hallway, okay? Cool so me And

569
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 4: Chris webber And i'm roommates With Bobby.

570
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 3: Early he ain't think nothing of, it and so that

571
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: were just, excited, like oh he just talking shit or.

572
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: Whatever that's kind of cool, though that's like, bird you,

573
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: know you know who we, are but he ain't called

574
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: us By Chris webb And Jamal madgew's that y'all from college.

575
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 4: Kids so the, morning we get up and we go

576
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 4: to practice And Roy williams is our, coach but we

577
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 4: only got eight so we're, like, well how are we

578
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: practicing and what are we practicing? For so we SPENT

579
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 4: i want to, say an hour doing the three man

580
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 4: weave And i'm, like what's going on? Here then they

581
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 4: bust us.

582
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: To another location where The Dream team is practicing and

583
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 3: he's about four hundred people standing outside waiting for The

584
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: Dream team to come.

585
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 4: Out they take us up to a top floor and

586
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: The Dream team is.

587
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: Practicing they're finishing up their, practice and then they, say all,

588
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: right get loose and stretch. Out, okay we're. Playing they're, like, yeah,

589
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: yeah we're gonna play. Next so we already kind of

590
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: like feel a certain way like this is some bullshit.

591
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 4: Bullshit so it's the start in FIVE i think is,

592
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: Myself Chris, Webber Rockey, Rogers Bobby, hurley And Allen houston

593
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: and No Penny hardaway started. TOO i forgot who the five.

594
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 3: Was so we get out the, gates like the first

595
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes we kicking they ass but were running them all,

596
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: Out Bobby hurley in the lane Killing John. Stockton so

597
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: they stopped the game and turn off the.

598
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 4: SCORE i think we were up like seventy to sixty

599
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 4: six or, something sixty four or something like. That they

600
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: just stopped the. Game so we're, like all, right it

601
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 4: was just halftime or some. Shit they, like, nah the

602
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 4: press coming, in So i'm, like oh.

603
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: Wow so that's when the thing came out That Chuck

604
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: daly let us win because they didn't want to hold

605
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: a complete game because they knew it was gonna be

606
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: downhill from, there because we were trying.

607
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 4: To prove that we could go to the.

608
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 6: Country we ain't need a.

609
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 5: Dream, team you know WHAT i. Mean it was supposed

610
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 5: to be the college, players but the big boys and

611
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 5: took her over to the collage. SPOT i remember. That

612
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 5: so we we lit they ass, up and then something.

613
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 5: Happened we're sitting there and we get back to the.

614
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 5: Hotel Rodney rogers says something to it's a group of.

615
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 5: Them It's Larry, Bird Magic johnson and everybody shooting the.

616
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 5: Ship And Rodney rogers, said, Hey, larry you ain't hit

617
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 5: a jumper since eighty.

618
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: Four magic heard that, shit and we ain't think none of.

619
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: It the next day we came in AND i never.

620
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: Seen, this and this.

621
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 4: ONE i was, like this is a different.

622
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: Breede Magic johnson Fed Larry bird the ball probably about

623
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: eight times in a row down. Court Larry bird got

624
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: the ball On Rodney, rogers and every time he was

625
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: about to make a, move he told him what he

626
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: was going to. Do one dribble pull up going left off,

627
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: glass one dribble going, right spin, shot fuck. It he

628
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: scored nine times or eight times in a, row left

629
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: the court to go lay down because he couldn't sit

630
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: on the.

631
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: Bench he had to lay down because of, them and,

632
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: said young fella looked like eighty four hunh.

633
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: Last.

634
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 4: Time So i'm sitting Then i'm LIKE i, said so

635
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 4: that they kicked our ass for the rest of the,

636
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: week AND.

637
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 6: I, said the rest of the, weak.

638
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 4: They ain't playing with us the rest of the. Week.

639
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: Man we also got a chance to hang with him

640
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: off the court and started to realize what THE nba lifestyle.

641
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 4: And Michael jordan and staying up to five in the.

642
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: Morning that dude would stay up to five in the,

643
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: morning play, cards go play golf, practice then go back

644
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: and play golf, again and it's like that man never got.

645
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 4: Tired but the significance of that to me was that

646
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: NOW i KNEW i could play in the. Pros you.

647
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: Know it was that extra, boost, Like, okay you know

648
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: WHAT i could do this. Game see where you're and

649
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 4: see where you.

650
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: Fit in at you know WHAT i, mean see how

651
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: MUCH i had to work. On so to, me that

652
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: was the catalyst for me turning. Pro and AFTER i

653
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: came out of, that they were like you're going to

654
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: be no less than a fourth pick. Overall And Chris

655
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: webber went, FIRST i, believe and he really dominated up there,

656
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: too you know WHAT i. Mean and that's WHEN i

657
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: said and noticed how much of a Difference Michael jordan as.

658
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 4: A player was to all Those hall of. Famers he.

659
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: Was it looked like when you watch them play and

660
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 3: they scrimmaged amongst, themselves it looked, like if you didn't

661
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: know anything about the, game you, said heyo that, ball black.

662
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: Dude he the best, player and he made them look

663
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: like they were high school players and he was in the.

664
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: Pros that's that was the.

665
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: Key that's.

666
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: Insane that was. That that's not saying mj practicing with

667
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 5: his team The. Bulls he's practicing with the other twelve

668
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 5: or thirteen eleven how many best players supposedly in the

669
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 5: world correct minus you, KNOW i, Mean isaiah wasn't that,

670
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: So but like the other best guys in the, world

671
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: he making look like high school.

672
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: Players that's what you're seeing from looking. Course so he

673
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: got them looking that average and then he looking that.

674
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 4: Great you're looking that.

675
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: Great and that's WHEN i realized that the second best

676
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: player Was Charles barkley AND i watched him go a

677
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: calm alone AND i was, like, WOW i call, alone big.

678
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: Dude Charles barkley was just throwing him out of the

679
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 4: way and was.

680
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: Fierce and that's WHY i, Said Charles, barkley if you

681
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: Took Michael jordan out of the, conversation he would have

682
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: been the.

683
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: Cream of the. Crop and and how physical he was

684
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 4: just he can do it. All, shit did it. All

685
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: and then when he got off the.

686
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: Court what was interesting about him WAS i could actually

687
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: see back then of how well he would do ON

688
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: t AND t now because everybody wanted to Approach Magic

689
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: johnson And Michael, jordan but the player that had the

690
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: most reporters around him Was Charles barkley because he would

691
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: old court you know WHAT i, Mean he would you,

692
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: know you, know give them what they, wanted be funny

693
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: and talk about different. Things so you can see where

694
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: he was going to be commentating at the end of his,

695
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: career not necessarily, commentating but be a much more in

696
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: the public eye.

697
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 7: Media when you was coming, up who was the guys

698
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 7: that you Watched and you was, like, MAN i want

699
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 7: my game to be like, His SO i want to

700
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 7: be like that person or that person that you, seen, like,

701
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 7: MAN i got to take a couple of them moves off.

702
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: Him first PERSON i saw in high school THAT i

703
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: came back home and was, like, yo y'all got to

704
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: check this guy.

705
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: Out it was two.

706
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: Players it was A Penny hardaway And at O'Bannon and

707
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: o'banna was, boys and O'Bannon was the truth back in high.

708
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 4: School and him who? ELSE i Saw.

709
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: Jimmy.

710
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 4: Jackson WHEN i saw him in, person jack Jack jackson was.

711
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: Solid.

712
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah he was a.

713
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: Beast i'm trying to the other guy THAT i became

714
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: good friends and you mentioned earlier shout out to him

715
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: Was Rodney.

716
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: Rogers WHEN i first saw.

717
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: Him he reminded me a lot of people don't realize

718
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: to me he was A Zion williamson.

719
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 4: Back there with the jump jump shot.

720
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 6: Shoot.

721
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah so when they talked this stuff like we've never

722
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: seen a player like, This i'm, like y'all haven't really

723
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: Watched Rodney.

724
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: Rogers yeah, yeah, SO i Mean rodney with those.

725
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: Guys WHEN i came back from A nike, camp they was, Like,

726
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: WOW i gotta put some work. In but as far

727
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: as a pro, player my guys WERE i did a little.

728
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: Differently it may be the same for you. Guys IS

729
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: i took bits and pieces of pro players and kind of,

730
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: says you, KNOW i want the footwork and then post

731
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 3: up of a Chem. Olajahwan, YEAH i want the shooting

732
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 3: Of Larry. BIRD i want the vision Of Magic. Johnson you,

733
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 3: KNOW i want the handles Of Isaiah thomas or and

734
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: THEN i made a.

735
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 4: Collective so that's HOW i kind of approached. It, yeah

736
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: that's HOW i was.

737
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: TOO i was trying to take a move off somebody

738
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: and added to my, Game LIKE i got the jab

739
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: step off the triple.

740
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 6: THREAD i got that from you in the lines Of.

741
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 6: Morning IF i jabb on, you if you move an inch, over.

742
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm, gone, yeah hard jab, Left i'm going hard

743
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: right exactly stop.

744
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: That Yeah, NO i picked it up in a lot

745
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: of ways like. That AND i watched a lot of

746
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: guards growing, up AND i like to handle the.

747
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: Ball that was my.

748
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: THING i wanted to be a ball, handler and truth be,

749
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: TOLD i wanted to always be a point, guard more

750
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 3: of a combo guard That New York, yeah, yeah.

751
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: Speak at it like the.

752
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Draft you, know we all had that moment in the

753
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: draft where you, know our families get to enjoy. It

754
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: you know What i'm, saying this is our dream come.

755
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: True it's just one of. Them NICE i was the

756
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: draft for you and your family when you got.

757
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 4: Drafted you, know great.

758
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: Question is the first time anybody ever asked me. That

759
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: SO i appreciate. That so for, ME i was leaving

760
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 3: from The university Of. KENTUCKY i had rented a house,

761
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 3: there So i'm From New, york BUT i had my

762
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 3: family fly up To kentucky and for that particular draft

763
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety, three it was the first time they

764
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: ever moved the.

765
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 4: Draft and they moved To, Detroit, michigan and they usually

766
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: held it In New.

767
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: York SO i actually took a like a charter, bus

768
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: rented out a whole, bus luxury, bus and we drove up.

769
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 3: There it was probably about five or six hour. Drive

770
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: it was a lot of tequila later and drinks and

771
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: all that.

772
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 4: Stuff. Party, yeah, Yeah so we had a good time

773
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 4: going up.

774
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: There and you know what's interesting WAS i don't know

775
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 3: how you guys got, drafted BUT i pretty much knew

776
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: WHERE i was, going you, KNOW i pretty much knew they, were,

777
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: like you're going to The Dallas. Mavericks so the anticipation

778
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: was over for me the day before the draft BECAUSE

779
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: i knew WHERE i was going to get.

780
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 4: Selected, YEAH i was blessed and then fortunate for me.

781
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: Too you, KNOW i had already signed a feel of,

782
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: contract SO i already had money in my pocket and

783
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: part of my, contract they we negotiated that regardless of

784
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: where he gets, drafted you're gonna and before he steps

785
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: on the, court as soon as he signs his, contract

786
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: you gotta pay, him you.

787
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: Know SO i use that as.

788
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 4: Loans and, correct, Correct SO i had.

789
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: Leverage so when they said That Dallas, MAVERICKS i was

790
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: a little disappointed originally BECAUSE i THOUGHT i had a

791
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: chance to go to The Orlando magic and they flip

792
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: flop picks between who was, It swebber And. Pennyhart SO

793
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: i remember going through the draft process of only going

794
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: to see four teams that Was Golden.

795
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 4: State, Orlando, dallas And.

796
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 3: Philadelphia AND i remember going To philadelphia and sitting in

797
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 3: front of the general manager at the, Time Jimmy LINEUM

798
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: i think his name, was and phone rings and he

799
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: picks up the phone in his office while he's having

800
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: a meeting with me and all he can talk about

801
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: is how Good Sean bradley. Is And i'm sitting in

802
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: the meeting with him and he hangs up the. Phone

803
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: he starts talking to me a little bit more and he,

804
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: said all you want to go work.

805
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 4: OUT i was, Like i'm not working out for. You

806
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: and he was, like what you.

807
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: MEAN i, said y'all gonna Dravet Sean. Bradley why AM

808
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: i wasting my? Time SO i, said drive me to the.

809
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 3: Airport we could be all. Good so he wanted him

810
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: drop me to the airport and no More. Philadelphia you.

811
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 5: Know so you're, saying if it wasn't for the swap

812
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 5: or MAYBE i don't know how that went, down because you,

813
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 5: know sometimes they picked players for the. Team, yeah and

814
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 5: that's WHAT i think happened With orlando picking. Pennies so

815
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 5: if it wasn't for that, situation you could have, been,

816
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 5: yeah number two overall The orlando in. HISTORY a little bit, different,

817
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 5: HUH a.

818
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 4: Little bit different BECAUSE i went to my workout In.

819
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 3: Orlando and at the time the head coach Was Matty

820
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: goukis and he had gotten fired right before the draft

821
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 3: or something like.

822
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 4: That so for, me WHEN i went into the, draft.

823
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: Process it was different back.

824
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 3: Then you basically shoot some, shots and they got into

825
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: my wheelhouse of playing one on.

826
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 4: ONE mm SO i played one on one And i'm

827
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 4: a one on one, player you know WHAT i, mean.

828
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: That's my, thing you know WHAT i? Mean so one on,

829
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: one two on, two three on, Three i'm Going i'm

830
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: going to do WHAT i do and, look so that's

831
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: WHERE i THOUGHT i had an. Advantage but they made

832
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: the right selection With Penny. HARDAWAY i mean obviously.

833
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 4: You know he's, yeah AND i Met penny before he

834
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 4: had a bullet in his foot and he was jumping.

835
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: UP i, Mean penny was A Easton high school with

836
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: whatever they saw in the Pros Penny hadaway they put, Out,

837
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: yeah he was a.

838
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 5: Monster how was it when you got to walk across

839
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 5: that stage and Shake david stern? Hand you, know, like

840
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 5: like all of, us that's our dream and like not

841
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 5: everybody that gets to the league has a chance to

842
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 5: have that opportunity to, go you, know to be in

843
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 5: the green room and have that.

844
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: Moment how was that for?

845
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 5: You because for a lot of, us it's, like you,

846
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 5: know that's a signature moment of where our life is

847
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 5: changing for the, better for the rest of our, Lives,

848
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 5: like that's a.

849
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: Moment how was that for?

850
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: YOU i always watched the draft as a, kid you

851
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: know WHAT i, mean and watch the people put on

852
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: the hat and everything like. That AND i still got

853
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: the hat to this, Day Dallas, mavericks a Green Dallas maverick.

854
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: Hat so for, me it was an honor to Shake

855
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: David stern's, hand and years later he actually became a

856
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 3: good friend before he, passed you know WHAT i. Mean

857
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 3: he was a champion for me to be in, ownership you,

858
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: know and we actually looked the deals together AND i

859
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: had an opportunity to be a part of the.

860
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 4: Process The.

861
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: PELICANS i tell, PEOPLE i came in, second which is,

862
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: last and The benson family got, it And David stern

863
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: was the person that championed me For, Hey, jamal you

864
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: need to look at.

865
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 4: This So david was cool to. Me david cell phone,

866
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: number call me any. Time so it was an honor for.

867
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: Me the only THING i didn't like was that they

868
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: didn't tell me was when you get, drafted you're not

869
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: gonna see your family for a couple of hours because

870
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 3: you gotta.

871
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 6: Team that's why they all show you that part of the.

872
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: Stadium you think he kicking.

873
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 5: It the whole the second round going, On he's steal

874
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 5: in the, back going around the ring and doing stuff.

875
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 4: Correct SO i was, like what's.

876
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: This nobody alerted me to, that SO i DIDN'T i

877
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 3: didn't get back, out so my family had to sit

878
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 3: there until probably damn there the middle of the second

879
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: round for me to back, out and then had to

880
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 3: leave at seven am on that first flight.

881
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: Out to get to the.

882
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: City, yo you never really got a chance to experience

883
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: it the way people think you experienced it because then

884
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: it turns into.

885
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 4: Business, yeah right, away right.

886
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: Away so that was the tell tall sign for me, was,

887
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: MAN i KNEW i was in the, business but now

888
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: it's more than just playing.

889
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: Basketball tell me.

890
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 5: THIS i saw a thing where you were, saying like

891
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 5: when you were deciding to end, it you Called David

892
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 5: stern and you wanted to meet with, Him like because

893
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 5: you said you shut your.

894
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: Hand with him on the way, in you want to

895
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: do that in the way? Out like what made? You

896
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i MEAN i don't know anybody else That i've

897
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: talked to or heard of and say they wanted to do.

898
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: That what made you want to be that type of?

899
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 5: Person that wanted to go out before you, retired AND i,

900
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 5: mean obviously it's part of the relationship you you, know

901
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 5: developed with, Them but tell me about how that went.

902
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: Down, Yeah so what's interesting IS i didn't have a

903
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: great relationship with the, league and you, know we can

904
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 3: speak candid to hear you, know a lot of it is,

905
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 3: politics you, know how you get promoted and different things like.

906
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: That there's certain people in certain spots for different, reasons

907
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: and a lot of it is based on. Marketing so

908
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: my first mistake THAT i made entered into the league

909
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: WAS i didn't go to the Rookie transition.

910
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 4: Program you, KNOW i felt LIKE i didn't need, it you,

911
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: know BECAUSE i.

912
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: Just thought THAT i had started my layer of getting

913
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: into business right WHEN i wanted to carry that. Briefcase

914
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: SO i actually went to the rookie transition program my second,

915
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: year and that started off a little bit shaky with

916
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: the league at that particular.

917
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 2: Time if you don't go to the thousand show.

918
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 5: Up but you know the, legend, Correct the legend was

919
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 5: TODAY i just Got godfather because he never came, Ye.

920
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: SO i didn't show, up AND i showed up my

921
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 3: second year and showed up for a, DAY i was,

922
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: LIKE i really don't need.

923
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: This, yeah, Damn i'm.

924
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 4: Out you.

925
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: Know my relationship with the league was a little shaky

926
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: because ALSO i DIDN'T i wasn't the type of guy

927
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: that liked to do, interviews you know WHAT i.

928
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 4: Mean it was like and plus we had just we

929
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 4: only won thirteen games my first.

930
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: YEAR i was being coached by a coach who didn't

931
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: have a lot of history and coaching In Quinn, buckner you.

932
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 4: Know so the whole situation was just like messed.

933
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: Up and me And Jimmy jackson we were together In

934
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: dallas my first, year and there was no veteran leadership.

935
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: Around was there was nobody to sit and, say hey, guys.

936
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: You, yeah it didn't look. Good it didn't look.

937
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: Good so you, know we found you, know trial by,

938
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: era you, know and also trial by. Fire SO i

939
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 3: didn't do a lot of the league. Stuff so one

940
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 3: Day i'm about to, retire AND i actually tell PEOPLE

941
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: i retired BEFORE i. ANNOUNCED i remember my last game

942
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: was In, toronto The Toronto, raptors AND i remember saying to, myself.

943
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 4: This is, it you, KNOW i JUST i can no.

944
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: LONGER i had to do so much exercise and warming

945
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 3: up for like sixty.

946
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 6: Minutes they don't know about.

947
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: Them needs with them needs you like an old school,

948
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: car you gotta go, outside cut that jone, on let

949
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: it run about forty five, minutes and then we put.

950
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 4: It, out and then you still don't know how you. Feel,

951
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 4: yeah you don't.

952
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 6: Know if it's still gonna make it to the.

953
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: Desk scared hell on that.

954
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: HOUSE i felt that because like with them needs to be, like,

955
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: man my mind can't control my rioti, Correct that's What

956
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: that's the kind of feeling THAT i was getting, From

957
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: like my mind can't control my rioting things THAT i

958
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: used to, tip my mind used till it.

959
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 6: Do it's just like my knees won't live me.

960
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: In SO i had to warm up and do exercises for,

961
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: hour And i'm only playing thirty minutes a.

962
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 5: Night so and that was not just for.

963
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: Games that was for, practice you know WHAT i. Mean

964
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 4: and SO i just couldn't do it no.

965
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 2: More.

966
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 3: SO i was heavy into my business career at that particular,

967
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 3: time AND i just thought that IF.

968
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: I shook his hand on, ENTRY i should shake his

969
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: hand on.

970
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: Exit and SO i called the league up and Called

971
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: david's office up And actually the lady that got the

972
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: meeting for me Was Christa.

973
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 4: Chin, chris.

974
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 6: That's WHAT nba.

975
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: To this day and still. Talk, yeah, yea all always.

976
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: Right So Leah.

977
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: Wilcox And Christa chin were part of. That And i've

978
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: Known leah since high. School So leah worked AT Nba

979
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: entertainment In, Soccas New.

980
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 4: Jersey. Yeah, Yeah so she knew me BECAUSE i played

981
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 4: with one of her cousins At Cardinal hayes and so

982
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: she knew me at a at a young, age and

983
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 4: so she always used to hit me to certain. Stuff,

984
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 4: jamal you might need to do this one for.

985
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 5: Us, yes to this, day doing that for everybody around the,

986
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 5: league BUT i just speak for us in. Particular she

987
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 5: always call and grab us by the neck and, hey

988
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 5: this is what's? This and and correct she it's always

989
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 5: what it is too because she's in the, note you.

990
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 3: Know and so she was, like you, KNOW i think

991
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: you may want to share a lot of the business

992
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: stuff that you're doing With David stern as you're. Exiting

993
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: and then my response To leo WAS i don't need their.

994
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: Help and, uh she was, Like, jamal trust, me TRUST

995
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: i trust, me just trust. Me so she set up

996
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: the meeting and uh The deputy commissioner at the time

997
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: Was Russ Granted rust became a good friend, too and

998
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: and uh HE.

999
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: I said To.

1000
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 4: DAVID i was, like, hey you know, what thank you

1001
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 4: for my time.

1002
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: Here you, Know i'm.

1003
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 4: Retiring and he was, like, well share some of the

1004
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 4: stuff that you're going to be.

1005
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 3: DOING i was, like this is some of the stuff

1006
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 3: That i'm already. Doing and he was, like, wow why

1007
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: did you contact us before and let us? Know AND

1008
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: i said to him very, CANDIDLY i don't see how

1009
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 3: y'all can help.

1010
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: Me and he was like what you.

1011
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: MEAN i, said, Well i'm Gonna toyota dealer for multiple

1012
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: dealers the. Stores you guys are a marketing Partner. Toyota

1013
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 3: So i'm trying to figure out how.

1014
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 4: Y'all gonna help me When i'm already dealing with the.

1015
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: Corporation you know WHAT i, mean y'all is just a.

1016
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: Sponsor they're sponsored. Yours so Then david turns to me

1017
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: And Rus grantick and he, says, well would you like

1018
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: to work for the? LEAD i was, Like, DAVID i

1019
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 3: can't do. THAT i can't do, that and he was,

1020
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: like what you? MEAN i, said here's WHAT i can

1021
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: do one. DAY i want to come in. HERE i

1022
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: want to be a.

1023
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 4: Partner and he was, like what does that.

1024
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: MEAN i, SAID i want to be an Owner And

1025
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: david always remembered that and he would call me up

1026
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: When i'm In New York city or vice, versa come

1027
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: to the office and he's showed me things On Atlanta,

1028
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: hawks books and different. Things teams are going to be,

1029
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: sold and that's how it all. Started so from that particular,

1030
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: Relationship it's the same thing THAT i tell my son

1031
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: who's nineteen years. Old sometimes it's not about as much

1032
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 3: as how you enter and what you're, doing there is

1033
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: how you exit as well that people. Remember and so for,

1034
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 3: me that was one of the pillars in my life

1035
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: THAT i guess showed them THAT i was about my

1036
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 3: business rather than just being a guy that just played

1037
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: in THE.

1038
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: Nba talking about, Knees Derrick, rose you, know you know

1039
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: like when you you, know when you have a knee,

1040
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: injuries you see the other guys that go through them

1041
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: knee injuries and them. ACLS i had meniscus, too you

1042
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: know What i'm, Saying, like you know the pain that

1043
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: other guys go, through but like just speaking on another

1044
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: guy with nees Like Derrick rose and how he persevered

1045
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: and he's still fighting and he getting out there and

1046
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: still playing on the level that he's playing. On just

1047
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: speak up on a player like that to see the,

1048
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: fight because you know it's a. Fight say it's just

1049
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: sometimes you wake up you be, like, Man i'm. Tied

1050
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: it's like you having a kid with you all the

1051
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: time BECAUSE i got to prep for knees to do

1052
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: everything That i'm doing getting out the bed they walk

1053
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: to the bathroom as the mother fucker, Especially.

1054
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah you already.

1055
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: Know so for, ME i empathized With Derek rose in

1056
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: a lot of, ways in a reverse. Way So Derek

1057
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 3: rose was THE mvp and then had knee, Issues so

1058
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: that in itself is difficult to deal, with you know

1059
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: WHAT i, mean where you have to reinvent yourself and

1060
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: you have to really AND i tell, people you have

1061
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: to really love the. Game you can't love the, money you,

1062
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 3: know you can't love the. Lifestyle for, him he could

1063
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: have sat down and nobody would have said, nothing you

1064
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 3: know WHAT i, Mean but he continued to and SO

1065
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 3: i admire his, tenacity his will and his ability to

1066
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: have the self awareness to modify his, game you know

1067
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: WHAT i, mean because longevity in THE nba isn't about you,

1068
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: know how high you can? Jump, yeah how can you

1069
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: manage your decline of athleticism while your skill level goes?

1070
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 4: Up? Yeah, Yeah so for, me it was a reverse for.

1071
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: Me SO i tell PEOPLE i was one of the

1072
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 3: first to have microfracxis surgery back in ninety, five and

1073
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: they didn't.

1074
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 4: Understand what we have. Was they said it was for old. Folks, yeah,

1075
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 4: yes year old seven year olds get.

1076
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 8: This.

1077
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: Yeah so for, ME i had to figure, out and

1078
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: especially was early in my, career of How i'm going

1079
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 3: to stay here for ten plus. Years and that's WHEN

1080
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: i developed that mid, post that mid range game and

1081
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: different things like that BECAUSE i can no longer just

1082
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 3: blow by.

1083
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: YOU i had to kind of do angles and different

1084
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 4: things like.

1085
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: That and the perseverance it took for me to make

1086
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 3: An All star, team BECAUSE i THOUGHT i should have

1087
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: made more than One All star. Team AND i tell

1088
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 3: And i'm proud of the fact THAT i was able

1089
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: to make it on one leg, basically you. Know and

1090
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: WHEN i got To, miami that's WHEN i first got

1091
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: introduced to anti.

1092
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 4: Inflammatories you. Know, uh and those are those fault tearing

1093
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 4: one hundreds you know WHAT i, MEAN a little small

1094
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 4: pill that when you you take that, thing they take

1095
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 4: away all this.

1096
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 6: A little small.

1097
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: Pill but the jug that motherfucker come in, here it's

1098
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: about it's about three hundred of.

1099
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 4: Them that jont they had you, like, yeah take these with.

1100
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah so that's WHEN i got introduced to, that AND

1101
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: i used to only take them on game day BECAUSE

1102
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 3: i started to see other people that would take them

1103
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: and they had stomach lining, issues you, know and things like.

1104
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 4: That so for, me it was the inflammation and the

1105
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 4: micro fractor WHEN i couldn't do certain.

1106
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: Things but it takes a lot mentally to deal with

1107
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: the knee injury or any, injury you, know especially when

1108
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: you're playing at a high level and that's your source of,

1109
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: income you, know and we already have short windows, anyway you,

1110
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 3: know a small window to make as much as we.

1111
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 3: Can and for, Me i've always stated that nothing is

1112
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 3: impossible dealing with. Injuries the WAY i dealt with, him

1113
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: it truly made me understand that anything you can put

1114
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: your mind, to you can. Do you, know you're gonna

1115
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: go through some, Pain you're not gonna it's not gonna

1116
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: be with it what you wanted to be all the.

1117
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 3: Time but if you persevere long enough and take the right,

1118
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: steps you'll eventually reach your.

1119
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: GOAL i just hate the injuries opened my mind to, like,

1120
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: MAN i could have WHEN i was a thousand percent,

1121
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: HEALTHY i could have went in on some shit on

1122
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: the way. ROOM i could have went in. Crazy it was, Like,

1123
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: MAN i got. Injured it's LIKE i got the kids back.

1124
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 4: Up you know What i'm.

1125
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 2: Saying.

1126
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 4: Injury WHEN i saw, injury it makes you a, veteran

1127
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 4: real quick.

1128
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 2: Man you used to you can't between. You you walked

1129
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: in the, door lought like you got a heat packed

1130
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: like you know What i'm.

1131
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 5: Saying all, that we come out like you, Said we

1132
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 5: walked straight out and ain't no stretching out win middle.

1133
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: That thing look over there like you old.

1134
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 5: Lass you know we came in here. Eighteen i'm. Nineteen

1135
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 5: we was straight up that. LIFE i can remember running

1136
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 5: up On. Pat you ain't an old, juice a Little.

1137
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 5: Pat that's How big bro g hitting him in the

1138
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 5: back of the head, like, oh last, man we're gonna

1139
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 5: dunk on.

1140
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: You todam a block up ship.

1141
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 5: Today And i'm just fucking with him like all this

1142
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 5: ship like just. Always then he turned around and it

1143
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 5: looked like he went like that and now you got.

1144
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 6: My literally three years, later.

1145
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: Now we the O.

1146
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: G i REMEMBER i first started seeing Ice pack was

1147
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 3: a guy played with and he was Probably Jason.

1148
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 4: Kidd Before Jason, kidd his name Was Fat lever and

1149
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 4: uh fingers get them, yeah still get a triple double

1150
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 4: in a.

1151
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: Minute and he had these ice on his knees and

1152
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: he should talk and he's, like, man you should start

1153
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: icing your.

1154
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 4: KNEES i don't want to. Know damn iceman. Man three years,

1155
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 4: later ice on my, Knees.

1156
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 6: MAN i tell, you like The iceman on the, bench

1157
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 6: you got so much.

1158
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 5: Pack so speaking Of Jay, kidd like one of my

1159
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 5: all TIME i know this dates everybody and all that

1160
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 5: one of my all time three soons were, You Jim

1161
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 5: jack and J, kidd the three J tell me how

1162
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 5: that was to be rocking out like that because all

1163
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 5: y'all was relatively young and a grown older. League you

1164
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 5: know What i'm? Saying how was that to be out

1165
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 5: there making an impact and doing? It how y'all boys

1166
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 5: is doing?

1167
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: It explaining a tempo change From Derrick harper To Jason. Kidd,

1168
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: OKAY i know the tempo. Changed kidd hopped up that.

1169
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 6: Joint this was all.

1170
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: That jimmy got drafted in ninety. TWO i got drafted

1171
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 3: and he. Three Jason kidd got drafted ninety.

1172
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 4: Four he was three drafts in the. Row, yeah, Well,

1173
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 4: ship you losing that?

1174
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 5: Time you know WHAT i? Mean me two, things two

1175
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 5: things that having a pretty bad they making some pretty

1176
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 5: good selections even though they you, know selection squandered in those.

1177
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 4: Situations they did. Well he did, well BUT i would.

1178
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 3: The difference was When Jake kidd got to the. TEAM

1179
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: i was a small For jimmy was the, two And

1180
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 3: Derek harper was the. One Derek harper really wanted to

1181
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: get out Of dallas because he wanted to play in the,

1182
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: playoffs and he got shipped to The. Knicks got shipped

1183
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: to The knicks and played guard for. Them Jake kid comes.

1184
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: In the first thing you knew right away was in

1185
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: training camp that dude should always.

1186
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 4: Have the ball and you guys just hit the wing and,

1187
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: run you know WHAT i?

1188
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: Mean AND i would tell people when we, practice you

1189
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: probably want to get a ticket to practice to Watch

1190
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 3: Jake kidd and all of us play BECAUSE i Remember

1191
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 3: Jake kidd making passes in, practice hitting people in the

1192
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: back of the.

1193
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 4: Head they just wasn't. Ready and J kidd used to

1194
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 4: run from end to.

1195
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: End he was one of the fastest guards at six,

1196
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 3: four two hundred and five pounds.

1197
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 4: Coming down at you and had this little crossover dribble

1198
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 4: at full. Speed full.

1199
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 6: Speed, YEAH i got that from him.

1200
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 4: Too and the one thing we.

1201
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 3: Used to Clown jason about WAS i Remember jason would

1202
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 3: probably have more career triple doubles than he had because

1203
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 3: he would his that line would be like.

1204
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 4: Sixteen, points fifteen, assists sixteen. Boards i'm, like, dude you

1205
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 4: can't get these two. Points show.

1206
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 6: Co.

1207
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 3: On BUT i would Say Jay kidd is probably one

1208
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 3: of my favorite, teammates and me And Jay kidd had

1209
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 3: this thing where we would play and all the point

1210
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 3: guards THAT i played. WITH i used to be, like, man,

1211
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: hey If i'm running up and down this court two

1212
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 3: or three, trips, MAN i ain't touched that.

1213
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 4: Rock you got to feed me. Some And Jay, kid

1214
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 4: he used to look at, ME i got you, MATCHED

1215
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 4: i got. You i'm, like, well what's going?

1216
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: On what's?

1217
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 4: Up and he used to give us the ball and

1218
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: stuff like.

1219
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 3: That but the real, guy in my, opinion and people

1220
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: don't remember, him that made up that foursome Was Papa.

1221
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 6: Jones Poppy.

1222
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1223
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: Work.

1224
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 4: Man so that that group right. THERE i regret that

1225
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 4: we didn't stay together.

1226
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 3: Longer and me And jimmy we talked about it on

1227
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 3: occasion WHEN i speak to, him because that that threesome

1228
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: right there could have been something. Special but there was

1229
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: some off course stuff there that really had nothing to

1230
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 3: do With Tony braxton at that particular. TIME i remember the,

1231
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: room but, like, wait, what, yeah ain't Nobody they weren't

1232
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: fighting over, her you know WHAT i, Mean so they

1233
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: had to do with some other. Stuff they finally buried

1234
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: the hatchet or. Whatever and Then Jay kidd got shipped

1235
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: To phoenix For samcel And Michael.

1236
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 5: Finley that was the first time you got a fifty

1237
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 5: burger in the, league mat rolland with J, kidd ain't?

1238
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: IT i, SAY i know you're feeling good hooping with? Him.

1239
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 4: Huh you know what's funny ABOUT i was In chicago actually.

1240
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: That's when you said you got?

1241
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 3: It yeah, Yeah and funny thing about that fifty point game, is,

1242
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 3: uh you know we hung out to six in the

1243
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: morning the night before and she.

1244
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 5: Men, listen let me just say this is the part

1245
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 5: that a lot of people don't understand BECAUSE i used

1246
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 5: to like me AND i won't talk, crazy but me

1247
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 5: and my dog right, here we was prolific and still

1248
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 5: showing up the next day and tearing somebody as.

1249
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: We need all the rest of, anything like sometimes we

1250
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: used to come in that smell like a.

1251
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 5: Wasn't, suggest it would not. TELL i wouldn't even tutor

1252
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 5: nobody to do none of. This but All i'm saying

1253
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 5: is that it can be. Done it is absolutely not for,

1254
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 5: everybody BECAUSE i haven't had we me and him to

1255
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 5: have people with, us and they don't look the same

1256
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 5: way when he looked the next. Day and at a certain,

1257
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 5: point even if it was for, you it ain't gonna

1258
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 5: be for your ass no. More at some point you

1259
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 5: just gotta be be aware you. Are But i'm telling,

1260
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 5: you when me and this boy first step in the league,

1261
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 5: Eighteen i'm like that we could go out the folk

1262
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 5: in the, morning we could eat McDonald's all twenty four.

1263
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: Minutes before the game.

1264
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,959
Speaker 5: Start you go out there and tell somebody as a point,

1265
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 5: like ain't none of that.

1266
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: Happened that's how it, was you know WHAT i, mean

1267
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 3: especially when you found WHAT i found out WHEN i

1268
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: got in the league is especially if you're on a losing,

1269
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 3: team ain't going?

1270
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: Out oh, yeah whole.

1271
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 6: Lot, well were talking about. It by the beginning of

1272
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 6: the Fourth we're talking.

1273
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 2: About what we. Do what's the?

1274
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 6: Day, yeah what's about open after this.

1275
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 4: When we got into that third, quarter game was, over

1276
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: you know WHAT i, Mean so everybody was going.

1277
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: Out so we hung out to six in the. Morning

1278
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 3: and how that fifty point game came out down on Rud.

1279
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: Street, man he was hanging. Out he was hanging.

1280
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 4: Out he's hanging.

1281
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: Out AND i came into halftime with like twenty seven

1282
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 3: And Jimmy jackson comes up to me And Dick model

1283
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 3: was the, coach And Dick model one of the coolest

1284
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: people you would ever meet and one of the great offensive.

1285
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: Minds he was, like thirty three to. Fifty he ain't

1286
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 3: care nothing about winning the, game thirty three to. FIFTY

1287
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: i was, like thirty. THREE i, said you got the wrong.

1288
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 3: Numbers he was, like oh, no just get. FIFTY i was, like, oh, okay,

1289
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 3: okay and he he was just, like let's go And

1290
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 3: Dick Dick monter was, like go get that, bucket you

1291
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: know WHAT i. Mean and Then jimmy probably five nights

1292
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 3: later and then, fifty he's going.

1293
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: FIFTY i remember.

1294
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 4: THAT i remember.

1295
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: That that's when y'all boys had it jumping like dude

1296
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: boys some.

1297
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 4: Foods the.

1298
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 3: Fifty we just didn't have a. Big we just didn't

1299
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: have a big that can match. Up you, know we

1300
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 3: had pop hours undersize, four but we didn't have a

1301
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 3: big that can stay with some of the big.

1302
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: Boys you, know.

1303
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:46,080
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1304
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 8: nothing's better than now thighs and eleven mouth water and

1305
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:55,560
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1306
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,720
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1307
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 8: stop dot com now and get chicken thighs delivered right

1308
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:04,600
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1309
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 4: Door Thigh stop where flavor gets its. Thighs then you

1310
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 4: go To.

1311
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: Miami now you're going to a team that's Pat riley is.

1312
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: There they playoffs and they trying to win a chip

1313
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: and you got guys Like Tim hardaway And lonzo morn

1314
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: and you, know y'all deep over, there a lot of,

1315
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: veterans a lot of guys that know how to play

1316
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: in you four years in, now you, know how is

1317
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: that going To miami knowing that you probably weren't fing

1318
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: to be the leading, scorer but you're going to be

1319
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: a part of a team and the organization Of miami

1320
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: because LIKE i always, say they want the best organizations

1321
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: just the way they run. It they guys always in

1322
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: the tip top. Shape and you really got to beat

1323
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 1: The Miami heat team ran by Pat.

1324
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 4: Riley, yeah, yeah you're, Right you're.

1325
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: Right So.

1326
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 4: Damn marney, Too Dan.

1327
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: Brown and all those.

1328
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 9: Guys Lend, yeah all those guys se let, happy let

1329
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 9: out there so much as The.

1330
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 3: Yeah so for, me it was for, me it was

1331
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't know this. Story And i've

1332
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 3: shared a couple of. Times IS i actually forced my

1333
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 3: trade out Of. Dallas they had Hired Jim, clemens who

1334
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 3: coached The Chicago bulls, coach and he wanted to run

1335
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 3: that triangle. Offense AND i tell, people, MAN i don't

1336
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 3: care what offense it. Is Michael jordan could make any

1337
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 3: offense look. Great trianglame for everybody, man you, know And

1338
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 3: shot can make any Off kobe can make any offense,

1339
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 3: work you. Know BUT i had went to one of

1340
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 3: the minority owners and the team was sold to a

1341
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 3: gentleman by the name Of Ross Pero, junior and they

1342
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 3: had minority. Owner his name Was frank Zach andelli and

1343
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 3: he was. Cool AND i had just came Off Micharo faxi's.

1344
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 3: Surgery they had just Got Michael. Finley they were highlighting

1345
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 3: him and different things like. That SO i went To

1346
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 3: frank zach And elly and was, like, hey, man y'all

1347
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: moving in a certain. Direction it's time for me to move.

1348
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 3: On and me and him had an honest. CONVERSATION i was,

1349
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: like he was, Like, jamal where would you like to?

1350
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 3: Go and that's very rare in, Itself AND i, SAID

1351
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 3: i got two PLACES i would like to go to

1352
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 3: extend my career and be a part of the. Winner

1353
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 3: the first was The Indiana pacers With Larry brown and

1354
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 3: the second Was Miami. Heat Friend zacharnelly, Said, okay give

1355
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 3: me a couple of, weeks let me work on. It

1356
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 3: and he came back and Said miami and they TRADED

1357
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 3: i think it Was Kurt thomas and a couple of

1358
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 3: other players in that.

1359
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 4: Deal is sent me To.

1360
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 3: Miami and WHEN i got To, miami my knee was

1361
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: still hurt AND i didn't have the proper, rehab and

1362
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 3: Pat riley sat me down and it was, like, hey

1363
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 3: just get through this BECAUSE i got traded In. February

1364
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 3: so he was, like just get through the season and

1365
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 3: we'll address the rehab for.

1366
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: You you.

1367
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 4: Know so me and pat really, connected and SO i was.

1368
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 3: Basically playing on one leg at that particular time and

1369
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 3: had to take a lesser, role and the pace would

1370
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 3: slowed down quite a bit because.

1371
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 4: He wanted, to you, know get to. Mourning, yeah get

1372
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 4: it to morning.

1373
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: And stuff like.

1374
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 3: That and then WHEN i got, there we HAD i

1375
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 3: think we won sixty one games that, year and we

1376
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 3: played The Chicago bulls our first year we were. Together

1377
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 3: we went to The Eastern conference finals and played against

1378
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: The bulls and got our ass toe up and.

1379
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: Y'all beat The, magic beat The kniggs and then lost

1380
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: to the bull.

1381
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: Correct, Correct and playing against The, bulls we were just

1382
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 3: it just wasn't you know it playing Against Michael jordan

1383
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 3: against The heat. Team and one thing about That heat

1384
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 3: team that a lot of people didn't realize we were

1385
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 3: so structured in how we approached the game with all

1386
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 3: the game, planning all that. Stuff if you did anything

1387
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 3: else outside of that game, plan we were, fucked you.

1388
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 4: Know WHAT i, mean because we didn't know where you

1389
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 4: were want to, be you know WHAT i, mean and

1390
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 4: stuff like.

1391
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 3: That so and playing Against michael and, them they just

1392
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 3: whooped our ass and then we wound up playing against

1393
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 3: the next multiple playoff times down the. Road and one

1394
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 3: THING i will, say plan for the heat and Pat

1395
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 3: raley Pat riley is very similar to Coach patino in

1396
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 3: the sense that he wants to hold you.

1397
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 4: Accountable and Pat.

1398
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 3: RILEY i remember Pat, raley we won like sixteen games

1399
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 3: in a row and we lost game number seventeen and

1400
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 3: he thought the world came.

1401
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 4: In you, know, like, man we just won all. Leads

1402
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 4: so but he was really.

1403
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 3: Cool and one thing about Pat, raley he always had

1404
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: an open door approach with. Me he was, like come,

1405
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 3: in knock on the, door, whatever, whatever we'll chop it.

1406
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 3: Up and when Pat raley's, winning he will give you.

1407
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 3: Anything so if you wanted to get a contract, extension

1408
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 3: all you have to do.

1409
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 4: Is, win and that would be like you, know you

1410
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 4: deserve it or.

1411
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 3: Whatever but he was a veteran coach and we just

1412
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 3: didn't have enough to get past The Chicago. Bulls but

1413
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 3: from the standpoint of coming down here and being a

1414
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 3: part of a, culture and what he taught me was

1415
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 3: how to be a professional basketball.

1416
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 4: Player, absolutely there is an education that has to happen

1417
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 4: pro you know WHAT i.

1418
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 3: MEAN a lot of, people a lot of people don't

1419
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 3: know what it is to be a. Pro and HOW

1420
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 3: i tell people to be a pro is it's not about.

1421
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 3: Money it's about do you show up every day and

1422
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 3: put your best foot forward and do your job regardless

1423
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 3: of what's going on in your personal.

1424
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 4: Life.

1425
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah so he taught me how to be a

1426
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 3: professional basketball player and a pro and how to go about,

1427
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 3: it the business of being.

1428
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 4: A professional basketball. Player SO i owe a lot to

1429
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 4: him BECAUSE i was searching for that leadership from a

1430
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 4: veteran at the early part of my career and The

1431
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 4: mavericks just didn't have, it you know WHAT i.

1432
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 3: Mean and you really understand the difference between a winning

1433
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 3: culture and a losing. CULTURE a losing, culture you hear

1434
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 3: a lot of, complaining you know WHAT i, mean a

1435
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 3: lot of, Complaining but.

1436
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 4: In the winning, culture you hear more about the we

1437
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 4: and THE, us you, Know and that's What Pat riley

1438
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 4: and The miami he provided for me at that particular. Time,

1439
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 4: NOW i will say, this it's not for. Everybody when

1440
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 4: it's not for, everybody you, know it's.

1441
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 3: A he'll push you to a particular point WHERE i

1442
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 3: always tell people you got to be incredibly dumb or

1443
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 3: highly intelligent.

1444
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 4: To play With.

1445
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 3: Pat there's no in, between you know WHAT i, Mean

1446
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 3: because he wants you to either run through the wall

1447
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 3: and you say, nothing or you ask them the question

1448
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 3: while we're doing, this you know WHAT i. Mean so

1449
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,919
Speaker 3: even to this, day you, KNOW i respect what he's

1450
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 3: been able to do and how he's been able to

1451
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 3: keep that.

1452
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 4: Culture but he runs it like the.

1453
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 5: MILITARY i tell people all the, time LIKE i only

1454
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 5: got one year, there, right and my relationship with My

1455
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 5: ties they are as strong as any team THAT i

1456
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 5: played the most years within all those different, things because

1457
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 5: it resonated with me BECAUSE i grew up like. That

1458
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 5: my possible, disciplinarian the COACHES i played, FOR i ain't

1459
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 5: none of that going. ON i ain't never you know

1460
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 5: What i'm, saying been able to run over no coach or,

1461
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 5: nothing and always respected authority and. Stuff but like when

1462
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 5: you get there and it's just it's still the same.

1463
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 5: Way like you, Said pat got that open door, policy

1464
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 5: and it speaks true to what you said about how

1465
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 5: it's not a lot of complaining because top the bottom

1466
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 5: they're gonna, say, oh you don't want to do your

1467
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 5: workout or you don't want to do. This so somebody

1468
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 5: arguing back and forth with the, trainer ain't no training

1469
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 5: about to argue with. You if you don't want to do,

1470
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 5: it he gonna, say all, right this is how it.

1471
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 2: Goes you do. This i'm not gonna argue with.

1472
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 5: You i'm gonna report this to the PEOPLE i need

1473
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 5: to report it, to and when it comes To, pat

1474
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 5: you're gonna hear from. Them, now if you got a

1475
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 5: real issue that you want to do, this that the

1476
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 5: third the door is. Open you can walk up there

1477
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 5: any time you. Want you think you right, enough go

1478
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 5: ahead and do. That BUT i ain't about to argue with.

1479
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 5: You and And i'm not about to lose no sleep

1480
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 5: over what, happens because we have a protocol that if

1481
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 5: you do, THIS i do, that And i'm hands. OFF

1482
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 5: i ain't got to sit here and go back and

1483
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 5: forth with you like a lot of organizations. Do and

1484
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 5: that's the. Difference you really see. People i'm not getting

1485
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 5: mad with you or arguing, about, no you didn't do your.

1486
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 5: THING i have this to, do and then you hear about.

1487
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 5: IT i, remember, Man AND i won't mention the guy's.

1488
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 5: NAME i want to embarrass, him but IF i, mess

1489
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 5: you know.

1490
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 3: Who he has played a long time in the, league

1491
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 3: and he got down To miami and a lot of

1492
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 3: people didn't know what the culture. Was so we're playing

1493
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 3: in an exhibition, game and you, know in an exhibition,

1494
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 3: game you, know if you're, losing sometimes people are chattering

1495
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 3: on the sideline or, whatever you know WHAT i, Mean

1496
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 3: AND pat take this shit, serious, man exhibition or.

1497
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: Not we.

1498
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 3: Winning it ain't about you, know, preseason regular season by,

1499
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 3: winning and the guy was chattering or. Whatever he wasn't

1500
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 3: saying nothing that all or. Whatever and you, know you

1501
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 3: got assistant coaches that sit alongside and they hear. It

1502
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 3: next morning we come. In he had this thing where

1503
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,560
Speaker 3: he used to sit everybody on the baseline next to

1504
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: the wall before.

1505
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 4: Practice listen up against. Y, yeah and then he had

1506
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 4: that blue. Card you know What i'm talking about. You

1507
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 4: you know WHAT i, mean the back pocket that bullet,

1508
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 4: points look up bullet points something on.

1509
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 2: Pads.

1510
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah so he went through the whole game plan and

1511
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 3: everything like that last probably about twenty five. Minutes and

1512
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 3: at the end of his, thing he puts the thing

1513
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 3: back in his. Pocket he, SAYS i heard you got

1514
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 3: a problem with.

1515
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 4: Me coaching last.

1516
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 3: Night and the dude was, like, nah, NO i say.

1517
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 3: This she, said you know what you how much you?

1518
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 3: Make got and say they said you made two hundred

1519
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand. DOLLARS i got that in the. Briefcase you,

1520
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 3: cut get out of. Here cut him on the.

1521
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 4: Spot, hear, MAN i got that up in The.

1522
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 5: This is HOW i tell people like you don't just

1523
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 5: when you talk about you, know people Call pat The,

1524
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 5: godfather and you don't just become the godfather like what you.

1525
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 5: Said this is real true, evidence like everything ain't always, pretty.

1526
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 2: Like you know What i'm.

1527
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 5: SAYING i talk about the situation where you, know he

1528
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 5: was willing to do what he, did how they parted

1529
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 5: with D wade and then they.

1530
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: Fixed and he came. Back but like those are hard

1531
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: decisions that want the credibility he, got.

1532
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 5: Won't do they everybody you know how they say everybody

1533
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 5: want to be his, star want to be the boss

1534
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 5: until it's time to do what you gotta, do you

1535
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 5: know What i'm, Saying like he did those. Things you

1536
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 5: hear stories About pat putting his head in an ice

1537
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 5: bucket like he gonna drown himself to go, crazy or

1538
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 5: him going face to face With shaq and willing to

1539
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 5: stand on what he's, saying because those things those are,

1540
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 5: earned not giving you like you, said you standing here

1541
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 5: telling us that, story you sat there and.

1542
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 2: Looked at, him like and you knew right, then like that's.

1543
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 2: Gangster everybody in there knew like that it was example

1544
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 2: made that you, know, people that's something that you. Threatened

1545
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 2: that's something to somebody Threat they don't just flat out

1546
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 2: just doing is.

1547
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 6: Done and you have you around here with that type of,

1548
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 6: yeah and it's like.

1549
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 2: EXAMPLES i, mean.

1550
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 5: You stand on what you stand, on like and you

1551
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 5: you show THAT i am WHO i, Am like that's

1552
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 5: why you become those people become those. People that's Why

1553
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 5: patt is revered the way he, is and he's like

1554
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 5: a living legend the way he is because he did those.

1555
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: Things it's not LIKE i just.

1556
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 5: THREATENED i talked about, it AND i said some of

1557
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 5: the craziest Soit, NO i literally did some of the

1558
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 5: craziest things that people would be afraid to.

1559
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 3: Do, yeah he's About he's about, winning and that's, it

1560
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 3: you know WHAT i. Mean he's about, winning and, uh

1561
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 3: he cares more about the front of the jersey than

1562
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 3: the back of the. Jersey you, know at the end

1563
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 3: of the, day He's he's one person THAT i would

1564
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 3: say if he wasn't a basketball coach or president of

1565
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 3: The Miami, heat he can run any.

1566
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 4: Fortune five hundred. Company you, know he's A.

1567
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 3: Ceo you know he's the way he packages it and,

1568
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 3: yeah he, legit you know WHAT i. Mean and he's

1569
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 3: if you are connected to Pat riley and you understand

1570
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 3: who he, is he'll fight for you for the rest

1571
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 3: of his. Life if you A heat, guy you A heat,

1572
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 3: guy you know WHAT i. Mean but if you're on that,

1573
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 3: fence you're gonna be on that, fence you know WHAT i.

1574
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 3: Mean and if you on the other side of the,

1575
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 3: fence you damn near, enemy you know WHAT i. Mean

1576
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 3: so that's how he used. It so his eyes is

1577
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 3: definitely on.

1578
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: You, yeah tell me this about The Heat, days The knicks,

1579
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: series The Famous knicks series of Y'ALL Pj brown flipping,

1580
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: folks you, know and all, that and just the physicalness of,

1581
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: it the, fights just the big Pat riley. Brought, yeah,

1582
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: yeah the big brought to you LIKE i was them,

1583
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: Series like tell us about the fun.

1584
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 2: Man they were.

1585
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 4: Fun.

1586
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 2: Man it was a lot of.

1587
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 3: Fun But i'll tell you, what it was more football than,

1588
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 3: basketball you know WHAT i? Mean because you Had Anthony,

1589
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 3: mason you had he was there one, time was A nick.

1590
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 3: Guy you Had Charles, Oakley Patrick, ewing and then you

1591
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 3: had the history of Pat riley being The knicks head

1592
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 3: coach and coming down here To.

1593
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 4: Miami so it was a lot of. Fun the one interesting.

1594
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 3: Thing is you realize how Big nick basketball is because

1595
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 3: they probably had more fans coming down To South beach

1596
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 3: than we had fans in The Heat. Arena AND i

1597
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 3: tell people down here In, miami this is the Sixth

1598
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 3: borough Of New. York you, know at the end of the,

1599
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 3: day a lot of.

1600
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 4: People you got a lot of People.

1601
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 2: New. York so it was a lot of.

1602
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 4: Fun and the problem that.

1603
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 3: We ran up against The knicks when they had the trail,

1604
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 3: spree well And Alan. Houston, Yes Jeff Van gundy did

1605
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 3: a great job where he realized that we were going

1606
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 3: to be locked in on all your.

1607
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 4: Plays we knew all your, plays you know WHAT i.

1608
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 4: Mean we practiced.

1609
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 3: That but when they started to freelance and do things

1610
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 3: That spree And Alan houston ball screens that were, random

1611
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,560
Speaker 3: we didn't know what to do because we were based on,

1612
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 3: rotations you know WHAT i, Mean.

1613
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 4: And that's how they were able to beat.

1614
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 3: Us and then on the offensive, end you, know we

1615
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 3: play inside, out so we had to drop it To

1616
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 3: zoe and they didn't double, team so they Let pat

1617
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:17,520
Speaker 3: play him straight. Up, yeah so if he wasn't, dominating

1618
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 3: what he didn't do, often at least to An Asian

1619
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,799
Speaker 3: Pat Pat ewen at that, time.

1620
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 4: The ball just.

1621
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 3: Stuck but we were staying games because we could, defend

1622
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 3: you know. It scoes was like eighty one, eighty you,

1623
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 3: know eighty five playing that.

1624
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 4: Thing it.

1625
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: Was it was, physical, man it was, REALLY i. Know

1626
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: the energy in the arena was, crazy, like, yeah, yeah it.

1627
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:42,759
Speaker 4: Was it. WAS i would probably say there's two teams

1628
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 4: that came to town that the energy was. Hot nixt

1629
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 4: not even not even The. Lakers it Was Michael Jordan's. Chicago, yeah.

1630
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 3: You started to see you, KNOW mj brought the women out,

1631
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 3: too you know WHAT i, mean a, man they cocktail.

1632
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 4: DRESSES i mean they arena looked.

1633
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 3: Different you know WHAT i, mean youal, different you, Know

1634
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 3: and those two teams really brought a different electricity to the,

1635
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 3: party especially down here In.

1636
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: Miami do, start bench Cut you gotta start. One you

1637
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: gotta bench, one you gotta cut. One And i'm staying small.

1638
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: Forwards three different Eras Dominic, Wilkins Scottie, Pippen tracy.

1639
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 4: McGrady will you? Start will You? Vince will you?

1640
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 3: Cut I'm i'm, Starting tracy, McGrady i'm coming off the.

1641
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 3: Benches Dominique. Wilkins, now this would Be Dominique wilkins at

1642
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 3: the back end of his. Career you know WHAT i,

1643
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 3: MEAN i want disrepect because he was a beast in

1644
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 3: the front of his.

1645
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 2: Career you.

1646
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 4: Know Scotty, Pittman i'm.

1647
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 3: CUTTING i Thought Scotty pitman is a great, player BUT

1648
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 3: i THOUGHT i thought a lot of his defensive stuff

1649
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 3: was overrated a little.

1650
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 4: Bit you know WHAT i. Mean, Yeah and the REASON

1651
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 4: i say that is because it's.

1652
01:16:58,560 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 2: Hard you, guys.

1653
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 4: Both so you can't stop nobody individually in the, league

1654
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 4: not at.

1655
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 6: All it's all about one. Stop, yeah you.

1656
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 4: Can't you can't stop nobody.

1657
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 3: Individually so when they talk about all defense and all

1658
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 3: these different, things that to me is a little bit

1659
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 3: misleading because you're not gonna you're want.

1660
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 4: To you got double team, people.

1661
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 3: Man you know WHAT i, mean guy Got, yeah guys

1662
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 3: are too good, individually and you, know but out of that,

1663
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 3: GROUP i really Like tracy. McGrady i really Like tracy.

1664
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 3: McGrady i Thought tracy McGrady was a difference. MAKER i

1665
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 3: think he evolved.

1666
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 4: The game as. Well you know WHAT i.

1667
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 3: Mean he one of those players that at six, eight

1668
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 3: six y nine that if he played in this, ERA

1669
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:44,759
Speaker 3: i mean.

1670
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 5: He was one of the people to ushered in a

1671
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 5: new bill, though like a player, bill like being six

1672
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 5: eight as a guard wing and then you, know being

1673
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 5: able to handle and do.

1674
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 2: Everything he could, do.

1675
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 6: Big, dunk That joe pull UP i used to. Have.

1676
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 4: Ye he was a tough especially a tough, cover really

1677
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 4: a tough cover In.

1678
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: Orlando that's what he's seen me at thirty in this.

1679
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 4: Package, YEAH i like.

1680
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 3: Him Dominique, WILKINS i mean probably the best offensive Rebounder

1681
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 3: i've ever.

1682
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 2: Seen, man he was probably he at the small four.

1683
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 3: Spot he go get that, thing you, know and he

1684
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 3: ain't gonna get it just the, snatch he's gonna get.

1685
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 3: It the punching on, you you. Know and with that,

1686
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 3: too and a lot of people don't say spin move.

1687
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 3: There he had a spin move that was, uncanny you

1688
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 3: know WHAT i. Mean he would drive real hard with.

1689
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 6: Two feet sped and just take.

1690
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 2: Off, YEAH i know WHAT i want to take me

1691
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 2: back TO o two oh?

1692
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 4: Three?

1693
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 2: Right was it the, gumbo THE a two, fail the bean?

1694
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 5: Yas because when you they you, know you With charlotte

1695
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 5: and they, moved they got relocated In New, orleans and

1696
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 5: that might have been you, know you, know arguing with

1697
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 5: your best.

1698
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 2: Year you know What i'm.

1699
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 5: Saying you played all the, games you balled. Out what

1700
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 5: was it about that year In New? Orleans everything just

1701
01:18:59,040 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 5: clicked for.

1702
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 6: YOU i remember.

1703
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 4: That, yeah, ye.

1704
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 2: What you're.

1705
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 3: Saying so you know what's funny is and you guys

1706
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 3: both noticed and understand the politics of the game is

1707
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 3: that usually when you make An All star, team it's

1708
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 3: because of the year you had, beforehand you know WHAT i, mean.

1709
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 4: Because of that half a.

1710
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 3: Year it's because of what you, work you've put in

1711
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 3: over a period of, time especially if you're not voted

1712
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 3: in by the, fans it's by the. Coaches but for,

1713
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 3: me you, know what it came down to was a

1714
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 3: couple of. Things it was Paulse alice and he's the main.

1715
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 3: Reason and WHAT i mean by that was WHEN i

1716
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 3: got traded from The heat To. CHARLOTTE i actually didn't

1717
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:46,600
Speaker 3: find out UNTIL i was actually at a concert up

1718
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 3: And smoke tour that concert In, miami SO i found.

1719
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 4: Out you, know somebody hit me on the phone and

1720
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 4: Said you've just been.

1721
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 3: Traded they saw it on the ticker OF espn AS

1722
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 3: i was driving up To Fort lauderdale for that concert

1723
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 3: to See SnO oop in eminem and An Ice. Cube

1724
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 3: AND i remember as a week later going To charlotte

1725
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 3: and we were working out or something like, that and

1726
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,839
Speaker 3: he watched us play pick up basketball And Paul slace

1727
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 3: pulled me to the side and he was like.

1728
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 4: A young, fella let me tell you. Something he, said

1729
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 4: the handcuffs is. Off here go.

1730
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 3: Hoop BECAUSE i was coming from a system in Pat

1731
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 3: riley where we slowed it. Down you, know you had

1732
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 3: your position and all that, stuff and it wasn't a

1733
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 3: lot of opportunity for me to just go. Play And

1734
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 3: Paul salace, says, hey, man this Ain't miami no. More

1735
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 3: we need you to hoop, man it needs you to

1736
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 3: be an all. Star and the other guy that helped

1737
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 3: me flourish was my guy to, Guys Baron davis And.

1738
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 4: Derek.

1739
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 3: Coleman and, yeah So, baron he just had that youthful,

1740
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 3: energy man off the, wall you, KNOW i, thought in my,

1741
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 3: OPINION i used to.

1742
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 4: Tell, BARON i, said, man, listen, man you can be

1743
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 4: an all time great.

1744
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 3: Man and he was the most talented guy That i've

1745
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 3: ever seen at that, point guard spot, man big size,

1746
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 3: jump understanding the, game.

1747
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 4: And just a great.

1748
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 3: Personality and Also Derek, coleman he was the perfect player

1749
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 3: for me because he can step out AND i can

1750
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 3: post up and he can draw the. Defense so and

1751
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 3: then Also Paul solace from that particular, standpoint he just

1752
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 3: kept on reiterating to, me it's.

1753
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 4: Your, show it's your, Show go do your. Thing and

1754
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 4: that's how me And paul.

1755
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 3: Communicated and you, know certain times in your life as a,

1756
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 3: coach you don't need somebody to tell you what to.

1757
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 3: Do you just need somebody to believe it, right you,

1758
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 3: Know and that's What paul did for. Me so that's

1759
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 3: HOW i started to take. Off and that's WHAT i

1760
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 3: made That All star team and we did pretty. Well

1761
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 3: but then that next year it was Just paul got,

1762
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 3: fired a Hied Tim, FLOYD.

1763
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 4: I think it, was or somebody like that that ain't

1764
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 4: work out and it went south from.

1765
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 3: There AND i Thought Paul silace part of the reason

1766
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 3: why he didn't stay is they didn't want to pay,

1767
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 3: him you, know they had him, cheap you, know from a,

1768
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 3: holdover AND i thought he.

1769
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 2: Should have got.

1770
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 3: Paid AND i, Thought paul is probably one of the

1771
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 3: more excellent coaches that we don't even really talk about

1772
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 3: in this.

1773
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 4: League.

1774
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah paul was my.

1775
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 4: COACH i think he wasn't rid for, us a veteran

1776
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 4: coach we.

1777
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 2: Had we Got.

1778
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: Lelebron it was, Me lebron And Ricky, davis and he

1779
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: had us running that full high Old utah.

1780
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 4: Offense and it was, like, man he killed. Me he

1781
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 4: put me a point.

1782
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: GUARD i was getting ribbed once a night trying to

1783
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: set that ship. Up i'm trying to hold, it trying

1784
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 1: to set it up and it's like. Real i'm, like

1785
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: damn every.

1786
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 4: Night once you once you get past that part of,

1787
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 4: it you, know he lets you play with, freedom you.

1788
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: Know, yeah you, know but he's one of my favorite

1789
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: coaches because he was just. Real he was just, Real

1790
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: LIKE i can accept, real like the sugar, coating THE

1791
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: sna can say this by your back and then you're

1792
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: looking at me faid practice LIKE i didn't like.

1793
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,560
Speaker 4: That, yeah the. BULLSHIT i didn't like that.

1794
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 3: Either that's WHY i like Pat rally so, much you,

1795
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 3: know because Patt rally wasn't sugar. Coated he you, know

1796
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 3: regardless IF i didn't think it was true or whatever

1797
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 3: or whatever it, was Pat rally always shot me, straight

1798
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 3: you know WHAT i? Mean AND i respected that about.

1799
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 3: HIM i don't really do well with people dancing around

1800
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 3: stuff or sugar coating, it you, know tell me what it.

1801
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 4: Is AND i think all great players and good players

1802
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 4: want to be held accountable and want to be, coached you,

1803
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 4: know they want to get, better you, Know so that.

1804
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 5: That's HOW i issue tell me. This how was it

1805
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 5: that year when you made The All? Star how was

1806
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 5: it when you go into the event you got to call,

1807
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 5: like how was it to achieve. That it was especially

1808
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 5: something that you felt like you had been, before you

1809
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 5: know What i'm.

1810
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 3: Saying that was my tenth year in the, league AND

1811
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 3: i mean my First All star, game and it felt, like,

1812
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 3: uh it felt like, yeah it felt like, That but

1813
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 3: it also felt.

1814
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 4: LIKE i didn't need to need it for validation.

1815
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: Anymore at that, point you know WHAT i.

1816
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 4: Mean i'm, like you, know my peers know WHAT i can,

1817
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 4: do you know WHAT i?

1818
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 3: Mean AND i remember that was Actually Michael jordan's Last

1819
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 3: All star game when he was with The, wizards and

1820
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 3: the highlight for me of That All star game was you,

1821
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 3: Know Michael jordan and me and him. Interacting and that's

1822
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 3: the first TIME i had to really have been a

1823
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,759
Speaker 3: deep conversation with him on the, court and he broke

1824
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 3: down every aspect of my game off rip and told

1825
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 3: me some things to, do AND i was, like. Okay

1826
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 3: he was, like you, know play the game within the,

1827
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 3: game AND i was like this dude is, serious. Man

1828
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 3: and then he went to every other foward and it

1829
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 3: was like he does, this he does, That, oh this

1830
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 3: is how you neutralize. That and because the conversation started

1831
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 3: with hey, man show me how you do the fadeaway jump,

1832
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 3: shot And i'll show you HOW i do.

1833
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 4: Mine AND i used to like to turn over my

1834
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 4: right shoulder and we, know, yeah, yeah we know. Yeah

1835
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 4: so mj used to show me some. Things and then

1836
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 4: he was started telling me a story about how he

1837
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 4: got indoctrinated into the league With Larry bird And DOCTOR

1838
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,560
Speaker 4: j and how you can play a game within the.

1839
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 3: Game and he started telling me A, jamal just go

1840
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 3: right one time and make it a point in the

1841
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 3: game to make one shot going.

1842
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 4: Right he's, like you'd like to go left a, lot, like,

1843
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 4: YEAH i like to go.

1844
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 3: Left and he started telling me about How Larry bird

1845
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 3: approached the. Game he got a man two left hand

1846
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 3: layups one season in each game to improve his left.

1847
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:49,440
Speaker 3: Hand SO i started to realize how much Depth Michael jordan.

1848
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 4: Had as a basketball player in HIS. Iq that's WHY

1849
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 4: i say that he's the greatest of all.

1850
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 3: Time and the argument For lebron and different things like

1851
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 3: that is, Great But Michael jordan and what he's been able.

1852
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 4: To do and elevate this thing to a different, level

1853
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 4: And lebron has elevated as. WELL i just Think michael

1854
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 4: is just a step above. Man you know.

1855
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 2: You, know arguing over, here you, know talking back over. Here,

1856
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 2: YEAH i appreciate.

1857
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 5: THAT i don't even know if you're aware of, this

1858
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 5: but you you one of only six players to your

1859
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 5: last year in the.

1860
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 2: League you Averaged, doug you walked, out.

1861
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 5: And you get you get to the other people, though

1862
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 5: It's Jerry, West Larry, bird drog And Petrovic rest in,

1863
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 5: Peace rest in peace To Reggie lewis The great and

1864
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 5: then lastly Him Jay out of that feel and like you,

1865
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 5: SAID i feel like to, me like that's one of

1866
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 5: the things that that's HOW i looked at my last.

1867
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 5: YEAR i played thirteen years AND I i just SAY

1868
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 5: i started my last year in my. CAREER i take

1869
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 5: pride in that because us as, players you know what

1870
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 5: that means for you to say that's on a whole

1871
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 5: nother exchemonic average dub out.

1872
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 2: Here my last year.

1873
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 4: In the.

1874
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 5: League to, me that means LIKE i could have played

1875
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 5: again IF i wanted. TO i walked out averaging the.

1876
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 5: Dub so what you MEAN i was when fifteen?

1877
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 2: Year, yeah how does that?

1878
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 5: Feel because that's a major accomplishment to know it's only

1879
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 5: six of y'all and then those. Names did you reside

1880
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 5: within that. Category how does that? MATTER i don't even

1881
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 5: get you know? That and how does that make you?

1882
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 3: Feel, yeah people have said, that AND i never really

1883
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 3: took any stock in. That and then my son did

1884
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 3: some research on because you, know he's nineteen years. Old

1885
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 3: he plays, too but he grows up in That lebron,

1886
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 3: era you know WHAT i, mean in D.

1887
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 4: Wade, era you know WHAT i.

1888
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,600
Speaker 3: Mean SO i he was younger through the house and

1889
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 3: actually he's his favorite player when he was younger Was Ricky.

1890
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 4: Davis for some, reason he loved, Him Ricky. Davis i'm, like, wow.

1891
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 3: Okay he actually showed it to me BECAUSE i had

1892
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 3: to hit him to search me. Online be, like, Y'ALL

1893
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 3: i can put a little, bit, man it's A Google.

1894
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: Google, man.

1895
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 3: It's a it's a great feeling and everything like that

1896
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 3: to be a part of that company and stuff like.

1897
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 3: That but the story behind that IS i actually walked

1898
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 3: away from twenty four million dollars for The.

1899
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:23,560
Speaker 4: Pelicans, yeah money on the.

1900
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:30,560
Speaker 3: Wood they offered me an extension to, stay and in

1901
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 3: the beginning of the, SEASON i was, like, NAH i

1902
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 3: can't do, it you know WHAT i, mean BECAUSE i

1903
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 3: also my. Person it was a two, year twenty four

1904
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 3: million dollar deal back, then AND i just, said you,

1905
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 3: KNOW i just don't feel.

1906
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 4: RIGHT i don't feel LIKE i can play to that,

1907
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 4: level you know WHAT i?

1908
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 3: Mean AND i was a guy THAT i respect veteran

1909
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 3: guys Like Vince carter and different things like that that

1910
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 3: they're able to.

1911
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 4: TRANSITION i knew more about me that that was going

1912
01:28:58,600 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 4: to be tough.

1913
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 2: On, me not being who you.

1914
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 6: Were you playing the season for three.

1915
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 1: People if we got to get three people together in the,

1916
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Season i'm just, LIKE i couldn't do.

1917
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: IT i knew.

1918
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 4: THAT i was, like you know, WHAT i need to

1919
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 4: play thirty something minutes a.

1920
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 3: GAME i wouldn't a guy that can come in and

1921
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 3: get you fifteen and you, know and be in the

1922
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 3: locker room happy about.

1923
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 2: IT i Would let me just speak FOR i don't

1924
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 2: know how many other.

1925
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 5: PEOPLE i know a. Lot you're a better man than

1926
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 5: the rest of. Us we took that two years twenty

1927
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 5: four and been, complaining like you two years twenty, Four

1928
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 5: i'm gonna go, ahead sign, up and we're gonna make.

1929
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 2: It they're gonna see me. Home, YEAH i feel.

1930
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 3: THAT i feel like a lot of people looked at

1931
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,560
Speaker 3: me LIKE i was, crazy you know, what uh and

1932
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 3: uh you, know but for, me it was uh WHAT

1933
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 3: i ultimately wanted to, do AND i think it was

1934
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,719
Speaker 3: the best decision for. Me it gave me the freedom

1935
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 3: to now pursue full time my business, stuff and SO

1936
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 3: i was willing to take that hit to go out

1937
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 3: there and getting the entrepreneurial world or stay in the

1938
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,640
Speaker 3: entrepreneurial world without having that that you, know because as

1939
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 3: you guys, know it's just not the. Season it's year.

1940
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 3: Round you know that they they paying you to, practice

1941
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 3: not to play.

1942
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:19,799
Speaker 5: Intentionally so tell me that you speaking on your businesses

1943
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 5: and your entrepreneurs, stuff like you own over ninety something

1944
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 5: businesses and outbacks and everything you got. Going what was

1945
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 5: the first business you owned and what made you, like

1946
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 5: how did you come into what made you want to do?

1947
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 5: It and just how did you decide what to choose

1948
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 5: to go into and what you were going to.

1949
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 3: Do, yeah my first business, DECISION i tell, people was

1950
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 3: at ten years. OLD i was originally a baseball, player

1951
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 3: AND i grew up across the street From Yankee stadium

1952
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 3: and used to go to a lot of baseball. Games

1953
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 3: and my dad took me to a baseball tryout at

1954
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 3: ten years old AND i got, cut AND i tell

1955
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 3: PEOPLE i made a decision to go play. Basketball so

1956
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,799
Speaker 3: that was my first business. Decision you, know you recognized

1957
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 3: YOU i wasn't, good you know WHAT i? Mean, well

1958
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:06,879
Speaker 3: the first business decision as far as companies are. Concerned

1959
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 3: one of the first ones was Out Back, steakhouse AND

1960
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 3: i got a chance to know the, Founder Chris, sullivan

1961
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 3: and he went to The university Of florida and Also

1962
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 3: university Of kentucky as, well and he got word THAT

1963
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 3: i wanted to be involved in. Business so WHEN i got,

1964
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 3: drafted LIKE i was saying, EARLIER i was fortunate enough

1965
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 3: to have a sign a pretty significant deal at the.

1966
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 4: Time With, fever and SO i had capital to kind,

1967
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 4: of you, know do my.

1968
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 3: Thing and how it came about Was i'm sitting now

1969
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,560
Speaker 3: with my business manager at the, time and he was

1970
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 3: a young guy thirty three years old at the, time

1971
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 3: and a part of him signing on with me was

1972
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 3: that he had to teach me everything he knew about

1973
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,919
Speaker 3: accounting and, finance and he had his master's in. Finance

1974
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 3: so every day we sat down and we drilled it

1975
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 3: basically on my own balance sheet and cash flow. Statement he,

1976
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 3: said what do you want to be In and we

1977
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 3: had a discussion and what came out of it was,

1978
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 3: food transportation and, Housing so food being restaurants or whatever

1979
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:06,719
Speaker 3: that required.

1980
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 4: Transportation at the, time had no idea that that.

1981
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 3: Meant automobile business you, know Which i'm involved, in and

1982
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 3: housing real estate you know which is Which i'm involved

1983
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,640
Speaker 3: in as. Well so it was very, simplistic you. Know

1984
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 3: and through relationships and we were fortunately With Chris. Sullivan

1985
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 3: he was trying to grow his company Out back at

1986
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 3: the time and he had three other partners and we

1987
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 3: pitched in with some capital and became a limited partner

1988
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 3: in a territory in Northern california and that had grew

1989
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 3: to about thirty something. Stores got out of that and

1990
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 3: then continued to roll with the car business In Papa.

1991
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 6: John, so was you eating that out back before you chose?

1992
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 4: You.

1993
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 3: Nah you know what's funny is it's interesting so when

1994
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 3: you were investor in Out, back at least doing with

1995
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 3: the group THAT i, had you would get an outback

1996
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 3: car and it was look like a credit card and

1997
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 3: it had your name and it was like you're an,

1998
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 3: investor so you can go into any out back in

1999
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 3: the world and show that card and you can eat for.

2000
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 4: Free so you don't use. Yours uh never you want

2001
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 4: to send it to, me.

2002
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 2: Never use. It never use.

2003
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 4: It and what's funny, is you know that's WHERE i

2004
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 4: learned a lot about.

2005
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 3: Business it was in the car, dealerships understanding that of

2006
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 3: how not to lose, money but also how to make,

2007
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 3: money you. Know so for me it was always since

2008
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 3: my father was a professional boxer and he never made

2009
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 3: a lot of money at, it AND i grew up

2010
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 3: in the. PROJECTS i never wanted to go back to the,

2011
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 3: projects so that was my main. Goal it was not

2012
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 3: THAT i didn't enjoy my time but in the. Projects

2013
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 3: but you don't know you broke until you see the other,

2014
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 3: side you know WHAT i.

2015
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: Mean let me ask you this Because i'm telling my

2016
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 1: little cousin, this Because i'm telling, them, like we need to,

2017
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: start you, know more of our. Business i'm more in

2018
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: my business mine now THAN i was back WHEN i

2019
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: was making all THE nba. Money but most families don't

2020
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: grow up with anybody in their family telling them about

2021
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: owning anything they, sell you know What i'm, Saying or

2022
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,919
Speaker 1: they don't grow up getting no type of financial. Literacy

2023
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: how you suck out from? Due he had the master you,

2024
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: LIKE i need to know, it LIKE i. CAN i

2025
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 1: could pay you to do, it But i'd rather know

2026
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 1: it myself, Too, Like so when did somebody put that

2027
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 1: in you Of, like, man you need to own. Something

2028
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 1: it don't stop at THE nba, check but you need

2029
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:35,839
Speaker 1: to own something. Yourself you need to know financial literacy

2030
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 1: and this can help create a generational.

2031
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 4: Wealth so it was it was my.

2032
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 3: Mom my mom was In, Beckley West, virginia and then

2033
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 3: she moved To New York city at eighteen years. Old

2034
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 3: and if anybody knows anything About, Beckley West, virginia it

2035
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 3: was a coal mining state and there's not a lot

2036
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 3: of opportunities there back there in the sixties and fifties

2037
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 3: For African american.

2038
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 4: Women you.

2039
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,560
Speaker 3: Know she wanted to go to the, military and my

2040
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 3: grandfather was in the, military and he told her not

2041
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 3: to go because of all the challenges that women faced

2042
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 3: in the.

2043
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 4: Military so he shipped her up To New York.

2044
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 3: City and she wanted to be an accountant as, well

2045
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 3: but she didn't go to college and couldn't afford to

2046
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 3: go to.

2047
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 2: College and my.

2048
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 4: Mother was actually the bookkeeper for The New York City Housing.

2049
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 3: Authority so when people and the projects would go to

2050
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 3: the rent, office they would be she would collect the,

2051
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 3: rent and she would balance the books and everything like

2052
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 3: that and keep a chart of. Accounts so WHEN i was,

2053
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 3: younger my mother couldn't afford, aftercare which is like A

2054
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 3: daycassen or whatever like, that you. Know SO i was

2055
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 3: A latski kid that came home and did everything on my.

2056
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 3: Own and SOMETIMES i would go to her office and

2057
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,560
Speaker 3: she taught me about debits and credits and how to

2058
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 3: balance the book and all these different. Things everything had

2059
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 3: to equal up at the end of. It and so

2060
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 3: my mom also didn't believe THAT i needed to be

2061
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,640
Speaker 3: In harlem all the. Time she wanted to take me

2062
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 3: outside Of. Harlem so she took me Around New York.

2063
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 3: City she would show me. Museums she would sometimes take

2064
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 3: me to dinner places and she didn't, eat and she

2065
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 3: taught me how to read off the menu at an early.

2066
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 3: Age so what she was really teaching me was not

2067
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 3: to be afraid of anything you, know and always asks

2068
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 3: a question and always be.

2069
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 4: Curious and then she also told me the story about my.

2070
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 4: Dad my dad was a very.

2071
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:32,879
Speaker 3: Good heavyweight, boxer but he didn't make the right choices

2072
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 3: of people to manage, him you. Know so she always

2073
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 3: inserted into me of being able to identify what is

2074
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 3: the right choice for longevity rather than the short. Term

2075
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 3: so that came from my, mom and then looking at

2076
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 3: it from my side of, it it WAS i always

2077
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 3: wanted to own, something you. KNOW i always wanted To

2078
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 3: so think of your, signature of your, game of who

2079
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 3: you are as a. PLAYER i wanted to own that for.

2080
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 3: Me so it only made sense that anything THAT i

2081
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 3: participated AND i wanted to own that as. Well AND

2082
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,560
Speaker 3: i never wanted my kids to start from zero LIKE i,

2083
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 3: did you. Know so it's very important for me to

2084
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 3: build something not for, me but for them so that

2085
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 3: they can make choices to play basketball or not to,

2086
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 3: play and play.

2087
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 4: Play fun of.

2088
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 2: IT i have a job for.

2089
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: YOU i have a job for, you and if you

2090
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 1: you really do the do dialigence and do what you're

2091
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 1: supposed to, do you can have it and own it.

2092
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 4: Yourself.

2093
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 1: Correct, Correct that's WHAT i always say about my. Kids

2094
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 1: i'm trying to create these jobs With like they don't

2095
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 1: got to play, BASKETBALL i got some form if they

2096
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: really want to do something with. It they can own.

2097
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 4: It, Yeah so that's the philosophy THAT i.

2098
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 3: Have and one of the things THAT i tell my

2099
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 3: kids is that your work ethic opens up your. Talent you,

2100
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:59,560
Speaker 3: know there's no there's no way around, that you know

2101
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 3: WHAT i. Mean i've seen a lot of talented guys

2102
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 3: who don't work and they never really realize their full.

2103
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:07,719
Speaker 3: Potential and that's for, sports business and all these different.

2104
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 3: Things but, Yeah i've always said to myself, that, hey

2105
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 3: you know, WHAT i don't have an appetite for working for,

2106
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 3: somebody and going through the professional basketball, career you realize

2107
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 3: that you work for, somebody you, Know AND i always

2108
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:29,599
Speaker 3: wanted to be the person that could make the vision

2109
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 3: and make it come alive and employ other people and

2110
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:36,680
Speaker 3: give them an opportunity as. Well so that's always been my,

2111
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 3: philosophy is ownership for somebody else to own and so

2112
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:42,800
Speaker 3: they can live out their dream as.

2113
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 4: Well.

2114
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 5: Well he's speaking on is being a real. Bumps it's

2115
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:49,560
Speaker 5: not a difference between, hey you make a lot of

2116
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 5: money to own a both on this LIKE i got, Money, no, no,

2117
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 5: No if there is a, difference and that is what

2118
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 5: you speak, of like when you own, shit and when

2119
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 5: you call it and when you pressing the buttons and

2120
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 5: when you the pump the, master that's the real.

2121
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 4: Boss.

2122
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:06,639
Speaker 5: Yeah when you're playing in that, league like you, said

2123
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 5: you planning for, whatever and you get your check and

2124
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 5: it say such and such name.

2125
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:12,640
Speaker 2: On that means you work for.

2126
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 5: Them, yeah the bottom, line like until you till you

2127
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 5: making that bridge yourself and you making your own income

2128
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 5: and you signing and you signing checks and peeing other,

2129
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 5: people that's when you are the.

2130
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:22,679
Speaker 4: Boss.

2131
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 1: Yeah the future generation that's coming and the kids that's,

2132
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: uh the guys that's out there, now they need to hear.

2133
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 1: That it don't stop when you get THESE nba. Checks

2134
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 1: it's still like a lot of work to. Do, like

2135
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:36,600
Speaker 1: it's still you get out there and do businesses and

2136
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 1: and just build, foundations whether you building, communities whatever you're.

2137
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,600
Speaker 1: Doing it don't stop when you get that, check when you, like,

2138
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:45,600
Speaker 1: Oh i'm, DONE i made, it you, know because that

2139
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 1: was one of the FEELINGS i, had, like oh, shit million.

2140
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 1: Dollars ain't nobody ever told that to Be i'm. Good

2141
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,720
Speaker 1: i'm gonna live. Forever and it don't work like. That it's, like,

2142
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 1: man you got to continue to get out, here and

2143
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 1: LIKE i, say a lot of our families of our

2144
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: color never teach us about generational. Wealth, no just give

2145
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: us financial. Literacy they never been to college and did

2146
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: all that.

2147
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 3: Stuff they don't teach us also to how to. Transfer

2148
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 3: and that doesn't necessarily mean, wealth that means knowledge.

2149
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 4: Too. Knowledge.

2150
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 6: Yeah the generations go by generation and.

2151
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 1: Generation so when you finally get somebody to just break

2152
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:20,799
Speaker 1: through that, generation that's where you can stop that tide

2153
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 1: and stop the tide in your.

2154
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 4: FAMILY i like what a lot of guys are. DOING

2155
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:26,639
Speaker 4: i get a lot of calls from different.

2156
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 3: GUYS i really like what you, Know carmelo's, doing What

2157
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:33,560
Speaker 3: Kevin brand's, doing you, KNOW i REALLY i got a

2158
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 3: chance to speak To kevin last year at the game

2159
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 3: BEFORE covid AND i told, HIM i, said, man keep, going.

2160
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 3: MAN i mean it's you, know we need a lot

2161
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:46,480
Speaker 3: more former players involved in, ownership and not just majority

2162
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 3: and not.

2163
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 4: Just the ones with big.

2164
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 3: BRANDS i think THE nba was built on big, brands

2165
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 3: but the people that carry THE nba as the. Body,

2166
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 3: yeah AND i think it's important for us to now

2167
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 3: seek out ownership and different things like.

2168
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 4: THAT i, mean you, KNOW i love What Michael jordan has.

2169
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 4: Done BUT i also love to see guys like you,

2170
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 4: KNOW i forgot his name With magic is. Done and,

2171
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 4: uh he's another guy THAT i speak to quite a

2172
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 4: bit that has done.

2173
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: A lee way just Did Grant hill just got in

2174
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: the game shock Like i'm proud of got because we got.

2175
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: To wein't have a bunch of millionaires at, first but

2176
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 1: now we got a bunch of. Millionaires so now we

2177
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 1: go in the direction of we need a bunch of

2178
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 1: billionaires with our skin cut on it.

2179
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 5: Too you, know my card in the HEAD i want

2180
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 5: to be one of the guys is reaching out to

2181
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 5: you and get some of that. Knowledge And i'm, saying

2182
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 5: BECAUSE i, GOT i want to. ANYTIME I i'm an

2183
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:47,560
Speaker 5: open book AND i share with.

2184
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 3: Guys and most of the time when guys tell me

2185
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 3: stuff that they want to, Do i'm more on the

2186
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,639
Speaker 3: personal side and meaning that let's identify what your passion

2187
01:41:56,760 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 3: is and then less identify what skill sake is going

2188
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 3: to take in.

2189
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 4: Order to live that.

2190
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 3: Passion, now some people's passion may pay a lot. More

2191
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 3: other people's passion may not. Pay and that's called a,

2192
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 3: hobby you know WHAT i.

2193
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:11,560
Speaker 4: Mean and nothing wrong with a. Hobby but if you

2194
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:12,520
Speaker 4: got a hobby.

2195
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 3: That actually generates, income now we're talking on a different

2196
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 3: scale because just like when you picked up that, basketball

2197
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 3: you'd have picked it up for.

2198
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 4: Free and it's something THAT i tell my daughter and my.

2199
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 3: Son it's like when they talk about what SHOULD i,

2200
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 3: Do well tell me the things that you would do

2201
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 3: for free for free because, correct and IT'S i don't

2202
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 3: necessarily chase a number as much AS i chase information and.

2203
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:41,800
Speaker 3: Knowledge i'm what you call a true student, athlete you

2204
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 3: know WHAT i. MEAN i felt that IF i fed

2205
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 3: the student, side my athletic career would.

2206
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 4: Continue you know WHAT i.

2207
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 3: Mean IF i just fed my athlete, side then you

2208
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,720
Speaker 3: Know i'll turn into something. Else but anytime you guys

2209
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:57,800
Speaker 3: need any information or whatever or a sounding, board, man

2210
01:42:58,080 --> 01:42:58,760
Speaker 3: be happy to do.

2211
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 2: So appreciate THAT i want.

2212
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 5: TO i want to salute you for being one of

2213
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 5: the hookers that you know did it a different way

2214
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 5: and showing us a different example because like like we always, say,

2215
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 5: man we definitely wanted you on here because we love

2216
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 5: your game and we grew up watching your game respected

2217
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 5: and we played against you the. Same but but also

2218
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 5: we supposed to be here to do this with this

2219
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,639
Speaker 5: platform to educate the others like. Us it's coming behind

2220
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 5: us and they need to see and it need to

2221
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 5: be a bullhorn Blast and, You Junior bridgeman and everybody

2222
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 5: else is doing what you're doing because, like, yeah you was,

2223
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 5: dope you was an all, star you was all, there

2224
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:36,759
Speaker 5: you was a ship.

2225
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 2: Hoo but like you done did.

2226
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 5: Some things in the business world and in the business

2227
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 5: realm that our guys need to know about because like you,

2228
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 5: say they have the abilities to do it, too and

2229
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 5: they can tap into these resources and do these things

2230
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 5: for they family and they kids kids behind them like

2231
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 5: the way you have and for me WHEN i started found, that.

2232
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 4: So i'm, like, damn man's. BURNED i was, like, MAN i,

2233
01:43:57,920 --> 01:43:58,640
Speaker 4: WAS i.

2234
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 5: Was thoroughly impressed and on the way because like you,

2235
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 5: say they don't like we didn't even view ourselves like,

2236
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 5: That like, forget they don't view us like, That like

2237
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:09,959
Speaker 5: it took The Michael jordan to use The Junior bridgeman's

2238
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 5: the magics those people even for us to view ourselves like. That,

2239
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 5: so like you, say the C, Kd's mellows D Ways,

2240
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 5: lebron all these guys doing what they doing dang. Prodible

2241
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 5: that's because of guys like you and the ones before.

2242
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 5: You SO i mean we felt THAT i you, know

2243
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 5: it was our duty to bring you on here and

2244
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:29,840
Speaker 5: show K that was one of the biggest parts THAT

2245
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 5: i really wanted to get out there was everything you're

2246
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 5: doing in business and how you got over ninety, Something

2247
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,599
Speaker 5: like you got over ninety something businesses that you, Own

2248
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 5: like that's.

2249
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 2: Crazy, yeah that's. Crazy that's.

2250
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 4: Crazy AND i do it quietly and that's just my,

2251
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 4: personality you know WHAT i.

2252
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 5: Mean you're not out here like, Hey it's like that's

2253
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:52,760
Speaker 5: the PART i love to, It like you ain't even

2254
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:54,600
Speaker 5: like you, here but it's like if anybody want to,

2255
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 5: holler let, Me i'm, here but Like i'm not really out, here.

2256
01:44:57,240 --> 01:45:00,559
Speaker 2: Like put thrusting myself out. There like that's the gangs

2257
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 2: the part about.

2258
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 3: IT i just feel like a lot of guys have

2259
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 3: The you have the, opportunity and you have the blessing

2260
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 3: and you have the recent.

2261
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:11,680
Speaker 4: Resources BUT i also tell guys that you are one of.

2262
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 3: The original, entrepreneurs you know WHAT i, Mean and just

2263
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:19,400
Speaker 3: nobody has told us that we are entrepreneurs just because

2264
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 3: we picked up a sport at an early.

2265
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 4: Age that's, entrepreneurial you know WHAT i.

2266
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 3: Mean what's the difference between us going out and the

2267
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 3: projects playing, basketball the whoe our skills And Bill gates

2268
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 3: in a in.

2269
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 4: A garage working on his computer. Thing you know WHAT i?

2270
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:36,760
Speaker 3: Mean SO i, MEAN i just look at. IT i

2271
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 3: pos are just. Different it's the. Draft you, know they

2272
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:42,560
Speaker 3: have the stock. Market it's Just but then when you

2273
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:46,120
Speaker 3: look At Bill gates and him Starting, microsoft he don't

2274
01:45:46,120 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 3: stop At, microsoft he doing other.

2275
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:49,560
Speaker 2: Stuff you know WHAT i?

2276
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 6: Mean WHAT i, SAID i want ten different.

2277
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,799
Speaker 5: THINGS i want to salute you on og is because

2278
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 5: not everybody that gets your position that is as willing

2279
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:02,760
Speaker 5: to share those gems and then share those.

2280
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 2: Secrets and you know a lot of.

2281
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 5: People had their answers over here like you ain't looking

2282
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:11,559
Speaker 5: out For AND i be, told like you, know when

2283
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 5: you're playing this, game you know that we all know

2284
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 5: different people, this achieved, this achieved, that and they want

2285
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 5: to be the only one over here doing that SAY

2286
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 5: i got, THIS i got, this but they want to

2287
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:22,560
Speaker 5: show you how they got. That SO i always appreciate

2288
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 5: guys like you just willing to open up and share

2289
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 5: and help in any way you, can because we know

2290
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 5: that everybody ain't like. That we ain't gonna call them,

2291
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 5: names but that's just.

2292
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 2: There i've been.

2293
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 4: There we're probably talking about the same.

2294
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 2: People you.

2295
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: Know THINK i love about this era now some of

2296
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 1: these a lot of these guys are getting together and

2297
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 1: they doing business ventures. Together they talking on the court

2298
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 1: and they talking about, this or they putting their money,

2299
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:47,640
Speaker 1: together where, oh you don't have to pay for all.

2300
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 6: That let's do it together and we get it all.

2301
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:53,800
Speaker 1: Together but back in our, era we then communicate the

2302
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: way that these cats communicate. Now So i'm definitely proud

2303
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: of these cats these days.

2304
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 2: Communication are you sure about? That i'm telling you what

2305
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 2: you're saying is not all the way. True my brother

2306
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:05,880
Speaker 2: mage telling.

2307
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:07,720
Speaker 5: Them i'm telling you WHAT i talked to ABOUT i

2308
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 5: talked to it's not people who got them. Keys why

2309
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 5: do you think Dj Keller woildson the adn't want to

2310
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:14,560
Speaker 5: show us the?

2311
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:15,920
Speaker 6: Keys he was talking about the same.

2312
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 5: Thing the guys that got the access don't always share.

2313
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 2: It so those that do share, it that's why they

2314
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,840
Speaker 2: need to be cherished that much more because it's not

2315
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 2: as common as that isn't supposed to be real.

2316
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 6: Talk i'm. Definitely that's What i'm saying for.

2317
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 3: Me for, me it's always Been and What q's talking

2318
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:37,759
Speaker 3: about a referencing is That i've been in that position

2319
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 3: where a lot of people didn't know WHAT i was.

2320
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 4: Doing WHILE i was, PLAYING i.

2321
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 3: Wouldn't say, anything but THEN i would ask, them FOR

2322
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:48,640
Speaker 3: i heard you doing, this show me, that AND i

2323
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 3: KNOW i know that with the, response they know what you're.

2324
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 2: Doing And i've done the same exact. Thing, yeah.

2325
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 4: They Wouldn't they wouldn't share, it and they would look

2326
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,639
Speaker 4: at you differently for each.

2327
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 2: Question you know WHAT i.

2328
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 1: Mean and even if whatever you do won't even affect their,

2329
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 1: money they still won't even give it to.

2330
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 2: You And i've come to the Realization i'm.

2331
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 5: Not for a long, TIME i struggled with it BECAUSE

2332
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 5: i used to be, like, damn LIKE i thought we

2333
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 5: was like and then it was, Like, OKAY i had

2334
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 5: to kind of go through my thing mentally and be all,

2335
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:21,439
Speaker 5: RIGHT i can't hold that against, them because who knows

2336
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 5: why they're like. That maybe something happening then where they

2337
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 5: help somebody and they burn them or did it wrong

2338
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 5: and screwed something, up and so they just, LIKE i

2339
01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 5: ain't never doing that no more SO i try not

2340
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,120
Speaker 5: to hold that person against, people but it doesn't change.

2341
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 5: It that's the fact that remains that it's still a

2342
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:38,560
Speaker 5: fact that that happens way too often with. Us THAT

2343
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:40,720
Speaker 5: i feel like everybody should just be trying to share

2344
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 5: and help each, other and it's not.

2345
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 3: Always my experience has not only been from my, peers

2346
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:48,560
Speaker 3: it's also been from owners and former, owners you know

2347
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:48,840
Speaker 3: What i'm.

2348
01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 2: Saying so.

2349
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 3: It's one thing That i've made a promise to myself

2350
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:57,759
Speaker 3: is that anybody that comes to me and wants information

2351
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 3: AND i can, Help i'm gonna do so because it's

2352
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 3: my duty and responsibility.

2353
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 6: Of don't block. Them.

2354
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:07,280
Speaker 4: Blessings, yeah you know WHAT i, Mean because when you

2355
01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:10,680
Speaker 4: have somebody that's searching for, information why not share? It

2356
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 4: you know WHAT i? MEAN i share, it you.

2357
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 3: Know and that's the part THAT i talk about Where

2358
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 3: i'm excited for you guys and what you guys are

2359
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:23,040
Speaker 3: doing because you're providing a platform for other players to

2360
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:26,560
Speaker 3: figure out what their post basketball career can look, like

2361
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:30,679
Speaker 3: you know WHAT i, mean and in an organic, way

2362
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 3: and that that's me following you. Guys that's the biggest

2363
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 3: thing That i've seen is that this has grown, Organically,

2364
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 3: yeah it.

2365
01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 4: Has like it's surprised to. Us, Man it's truly a.

2366
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 1: Blessing, man how people is really rocking with us and

2367
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 1: Even OG's and guys like y'all just coming on and

2368
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,599
Speaker 1: just telling, us, like, man this is we're doing the right.

2369
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:50,600
Speaker 1: Thing it makes you feel good that we end up

2370
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 1: going in the right direction when.

2371
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:52,439
Speaker 2: You spit the.

2372
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 4: Truth, man it's hard for not to, work you know

2373
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:56,240
Speaker 4: WHAT i. Mean let me telling you.

2374
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:59,640
Speaker 5: That i'll tell you, LISTEN i GOT i got one

2375
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 5: question before we wrap it up and let you get

2376
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 5: out of. HERE i just want to because you got

2377
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 5: one of the most legendary we talk about all the,

2378
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 5: time like everybody want to get a, Nickname but like

2379
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 5: when did you start becoming and being Called Monster maje like,

2380
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:16,440
Speaker 5: That like you, know that's like a song.

2381
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:18,720
Speaker 2: Everything that's like one of the like how did you

2382
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:20,840
Speaker 2: feel when you got? It how did you get? It?

2383
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:22,799
Speaker 2: In and just tell me the story Of Monster.

2384
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 4: Maage so that two parts to. It so two parts to.

2385
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:28,040
Speaker 4: It one has nothing to do with basketball and the

2386
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 4: other one.

2387
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 3: Does SO i lived on the eighth floor in the

2388
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 3: projects and my best friend he grew up on the fourteenth.

2389
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:41,160
Speaker 3: Floor he had a brother Named, jamal and he was.

2390
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:44,400
Speaker 3: Younger he's about five years. Younger so his mom we

2391
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 3: were walking, somewhere so instead of her calling Me jamal

2392
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 3: and Him, jamal she called Me mash and that stuck

2393
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 3: throughout the. Neighborhood people started Calling. Mass so my sophomore

2394
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:58,800
Speaker 3: year in high, SCHOOL i played in this. Event it

2395
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 3: was like A Christmas Car classic or something like that

2396
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 3: In New York, city and one of the college was

2397
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:04,320
Speaker 3: there and it was, packed and they had one of

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01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 3: the guys that does The Entertainment's Basketball classic on the

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01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:14,000
Speaker 3: Microph SO i was a sophomore and he just came

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01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 3: out AND i THINK i scored like twelve points in

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01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 3: a row as a freshman and as a sophomore playing,

2402
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 3: varsity and he was Like Monster mass on the. MICROPHONE

2403
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 3: i didn't think anything of it the next day in the,

2404
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:28,320
Speaker 3: paper because you go check the paper the next day to.

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01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 4: See you, know see what's going.

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01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 6: On what you did they.

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01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 2: Got then the.

2408
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:38,040
Speaker 4: Title the headline Said Monster masch dominates and it's.

2409
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:41,800
Speaker 3: Stuck and then WHEN i got to, college people In

2410
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:46,679
Speaker 3: kentucky adopted it for what is it called The Midnight.

2411
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:50,840
Speaker 4: Madness it was held Around halloween's started playing that monster.

2412
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 2: Match that's how it.

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01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 3: Continues that actually started In New York city In harlem

2414
01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 3: before that my sophomore, year and then it kind of

2415
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:01,720
Speaker 3: just took old or whatever and stuff like. That so

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01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:04,439
Speaker 3: it WAS i always tell, people you can't give yourself a.

2417
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 3: Nickname somebody else got to be stow it on. You

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01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 3: you know WHAT i Mean to make it all straight,

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01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,720
Speaker 3: Up that's definitely one of the special ones. Man that's

2420
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:11,799
Speaker 3: definitely one of the dopest.

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01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 4: Ones.

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01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 5: Man the last question for we get you out of

2423
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 5: you always got to, ask is you know you come

2424
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 5: from the. Projects we all from the, hood humble. Beginnings

2425
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 5: we see the building behind, you not include, mom dukes or.

2426
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 5: Family what did you do when you first got? Paid

2427
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 5: you said you got some Good felie. Money was this

2428
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:31,360
Speaker 5: that you off the times into businesses or that you

2429
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 5: did you get a nice watch and. WHIP i know

2430
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 5: you had to get some, Wheels but what you, did,

2431
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 5: well you know.

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01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 3: What's funny, is uh my first ride was ACTUALLY i

2433
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 3: didn't buy. It it was a signing bonus From. Phila

2434
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 3: it was A ferrari three eighty spider who, yeah, wait.

2435
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, LISTEN.

2436
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:56,160
Speaker 2: I hain't the way to go you, want Said. Felix got,

2437
01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:58,519
Speaker 2: it and they gave me A.

2438
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 4: Ferrari, yeah they gave Me ferraris a part of my signing.

2439
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:06,800
Speaker 3: Bonus AND i actually signed the contract In New York

2440
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:09,720
Speaker 3: city and they dropped it off in a. Playground they

2441
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 3: did the whole thing or, whatever and funny thing about,

2442
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:14,480
Speaker 3: IT i didn't know how to drive a STICK.

2443
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 4: I was nineteen years.

2444
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:22,599
Speaker 3: Old and THEN i went to get the thing insured

2445
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:25,280
Speaker 3: and they was, like it's going to be a premium

2446
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:25,920
Speaker 3: for you to insure.

2447
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:29,120
Speaker 4: It SO i sold the car to a. Dealership the

2448
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:31,600
Speaker 4: guy the dealership AND i got me what was?

2449
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 3: It it was the first four seater convertible two Door

2450
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 3: mercedes when they first came, out and it was a

2451
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 3: red with the black top with black. Interior AND i

2452
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:44,200
Speaker 3: got that AND i traded it, in got some cash,

2453
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 3: back and a guy who bought the car The ferrari for.

2454
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:50,639
Speaker 3: Me he was a high wealth individual out Of. Kentucky

2455
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:54,040
Speaker 3: he told me to sign the hood in a sharking

2456
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:56,680
Speaker 3: and he still has the car to this. Day and

2457
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,639
Speaker 3: so that so for, ME i think the first purchase

2458
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 3: THAT i made that was. Significant it was a couple

2459
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:07,920
Speaker 3: of things was we talked about earlier of finding.

2460
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:09,960
Speaker 4: Shoes, man you know WHAT i. MEAN i THINK i

2461
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:13,799
Speaker 4: went to the join In. Atlanta what was that Ship Freeman.

2462
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:18,720
Speaker 4: Freeze you, know we gotta gets, shoes. RIGHT i THINK

2463
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 4: i walked out of there and with like twenty pair

2464
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 4: gators or something like. THAT i think.

2465
01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:31,840
Speaker 2: Gators all, colors you know WHAT i.

2466
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 4: Mean that was the first TIME i ever had to buy,

2467
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 4: good buy WHAT i, like whatever you want in that.

2468
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,800
Speaker 4: Joke that was my first big.

2469
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:43,839
Speaker 3: Purchase and THEN i think WHEN i went To, DALLAS

2470
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 3: i bought a home that was sight, unseen you know

2471
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 3: WHAT i.

2472
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 2: Mean and, uh it wasn't.

2473
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 3: Built it was like in the pre pre, stages AND

2474
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:54,680
Speaker 3: i think it was a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

2475
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 4: HOUSE i think that was my first. Purchase, yeah we

2476
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:00,440
Speaker 4: pre shade.

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01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 2: This this has been. Amazing.

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01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:06,600
Speaker 5: Man we got the, man the, myth the, legend Mom Fess,

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01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:11,880
Speaker 5: collums finest, Legend Monster mash in the business world after.

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01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:14,120
Speaker 2: Basketball we all looking up to my.

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01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 5: Man. Man we appreciate you coming Through Jamal Monster mash fine,

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01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:20,080
Speaker 5: y'all MAN q and D.

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01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:22,960
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2484
01:55:23,120 --> 01:55:25,440
Speaker 3: i really enjoy and love what you guys are. Doing

2485
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 3: anything you guys need for, me business or personal, Wise

2486
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:31,240
Speaker 3: i'm here for you and to support you in any particular.

2487
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 4: Way BUT i had a great time chopping it up

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01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:33,640
Speaker 4: with you.

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01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:35,879
Speaker 2: Guys all love.

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01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,000
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