Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club, Morning, everybody in stej en Vy, Jesse, Hilarrys Charlamage,
Speaker 2: the guy. We all the breakfast club. We got a
Speaker 2: special gainst in the building. Babies and gentleman firs.
Speaker 1: Off feeling So no more a safer Uh, it's still
Speaker 1: a SAPs on my chest. Okay, Sappers forever. I'm always
Speaker 1: striving and prospering. But Ferg is like, you know, did
Speaker 1: he change his name? It's a funny name. It's a
Speaker 1: funny title to bring up Diddy, right, It's like, but
Speaker 1: you know it happened. Yeah, did he changed his name
Speaker 1: a few times? And it represented different eras of his career.
Speaker 1: And That's where I'm at with it.
Speaker 3: Just your baby oil Era.
Speaker 1: Did listen, I'm I'm Diddy is my family and I
Speaker 1: love his family. I don't know all of what's going
Speaker 1: on with this case and everything like that. And it's
Speaker 1: a bunch of hare to say. Really, it's like a
Speaker 1: thousand bottles of baby or what that has to do
Speaker 1: anything with him being a bad man. So yeah, he
Speaker 1: just a rich man with a bunch of baby.
Speaker 2: So you didn't say this is a new I guess
Speaker 2: new energy in your life right now to take the
Speaker 2: A SAP off. So what what is the difference? Is
Speaker 2: it a crew? Was it more individual?
Speaker 3: Is it? Well?
Speaker 1: I feel like a SAP puts me in group think.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You think about the era,
Speaker 1: the which is a golden era, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like we changed the game, and it's just like for
Speaker 1: me to change the game a whole other way and
Speaker 1: in an individual way now, Like I was known for
Speaker 1: being Ferg my whole life, Like I met Rocky as Ferg,
Speaker 1: I met yams Is Ferg. And then like when we
Speaker 1: came together as a group effort, we all changed our
Speaker 1: name to a SAP for like how bone thus god,
Speaker 1: you know, a lazy bone, crazy bone, flesh and bone.
Speaker 1: We just basically took our last names and put them
Speaker 1: last and put a SAP as our first. So it's
Speaker 1: just a new era.
Speaker 4: So earlier this year with people from the A Sad
Speaker 4: Mob saying that you were no longer a part of
Speaker 4: A Sad.
Speaker 1: Mom, Yeah, ils L said that and he took that
Speaker 1: that quote back, like we talked about it and hashed
Speaker 1: it and all of that stuff. But yeah it was
Speaker 1: and Bari they said that, But my whole thing is like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're doing great, that's what it comes with.
Speaker 1: You know, people you feel some type of way. And
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything to anybody.
Speaker 3: So yeah, is the mob so close as they used
Speaker 3: to be?
Speaker 1: Uh close as they used to be? I would say
Speaker 1: that me and Rocky we talked every now and then
Speaker 1: and I always check on as well being. But we're
Speaker 1: so busy just doing our own thing. He got two
Speaker 1: kids and he's making music and got his career. This
Speaker 1: is exactly going the way we wanted it to go. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I got my land over here, you got
Speaker 1: your island over here. We big pillars, and then when
Speaker 1: we come together, it's just like it just gets crazy.
Speaker 1: So as far as like as close as we used
Speaker 1: to be, no, because we used to basically live with
Speaker 1: each other because we used to be on tour together.
Speaker 1: But as far as love, like I love my brother
Speaker 1: to death like I would. I always want to see
Speaker 1: my brother do great, and I love what he's doing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, all my brothers, you know, even Ils and Bari.
Speaker 1: Like with the whole thing, it just I always say
Speaker 1: that people handle fame differently like Yams he handled it
Speaker 1: the way he handled it and it cost him his life.
Speaker 1: And it's a lot of access, and you know, it
Speaker 1: makes people act different. We don't know, Like I don't
Speaker 1: I know these people and these guys from a point
Speaker 1: like when I met them, they was already like teenagers
Speaker 1: or like young adults. I don't know what happened to
Speaker 1: them in their life before that. So what shapes and
Speaker 1: molds these people and they they uh younger years or
Speaker 1: as young men, don't I don't know what it was
Speaker 1: like in their household or whatever. So when we get
Speaker 1: the fame and the fortune and all of that, everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna react different.
Speaker 5: Yeah, where you've been at though you've been a little
Speaker 5: quiet last I've been cooking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cooking. Yeah, Like you know, we in a game
Speaker 1: where it's like everything is so quick, so quick. I
Speaker 1: never believed in like rushing my process for money, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I've done that. I've like hustled. I
Speaker 1: feel like after I dropped Traplo on my album, like
Speaker 1: the time and effort it took me to create that album,
Speaker 1: which it took my whole life to create that album,
Speaker 1: because up until that point, I was just living it
Speaker 1: and I created an album so I had mad life
Speaker 1: to talk about on that one album. After that, it's
Speaker 1: just like chasing a hit. But now you're listening to
Speaker 1: the label YO, put out this, put out that because Yo,
Speaker 1: this works for radio boom, and then it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I got mad hit records, not saying that that's enough,
Speaker 1: but for me, it wasn't enough. Like I wanted to
Speaker 1: like really figure out what I wanted to say, because
Speaker 1: you know, when you realize you got a voice, you
Speaker 1: can really make a lot of movement and you want to,
Speaker 1: you know, as a thirty six year old man, you
Speaker 1: want to create purpose and have purpose driven moves. So
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to figure out, Like, all right,
Speaker 1: you know I did that. That shit was fun, But
Speaker 1: where am I going now? Like how am I going
Speaker 1: to lead to people or what am I saying to
Speaker 1: the kids? So that's what I had to figure out,
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to grow as a person so the
Speaker 1: music could evolve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the name of the album is Darryl. Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: why Daryl Because it seems like it's almost like you're
Speaker 2: going back to the origin of yourself.
Speaker 1: I feel like I was running. I was running for
Speaker 1: myself for a long time. Like my father was such
Speaker 1: a great man. Like I'm not sure if you.
Speaker 3: Heard the legend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know Dferg Deferg family, Like it's a whole
Speaker 1: family of us. T Ferg. They know him. That's my uncle,
Speaker 1: that's always with me. Deferg, my dad. You got Kim Ferg,
Speaker 1: Mama Ferg. Kim Ferg used to dance with Teddy Riley
Speaker 1: and you know she used to be with this crew
Speaker 1: called the Gucci Girls with Dapadan. They're like all of
Speaker 1: their outfits and stuff. So I come from a whole
Speaker 1: lineage of Fergs. And then now it's just going back
Speaker 1: to the basics and going back to my roots because
Speaker 1: I feel like I never gave the world at I
Speaker 1: only gave y'all, mobbin. I never gave y'all an individual.
Speaker 4: You know, on a live you said, let me go
Speaker 4: to therapy and I'll be right back. So have you
Speaker 4: really been going to therapy?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I went to therapy for three years, Like after
Speaker 1: the It's a song I got called Pool where I
Speaker 1: talk about my hiatus, and I went to therapy after
Speaker 1: you know, during the mad Man to it that's like
Speaker 1: playing Jane is going crazy. I'm doing one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty people meeting greet. I'm changing my outfits twice twice
Speaker 1: a show. I'm like just really trying to like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to take it there, and I'm taking it there.
Speaker 1: Like at that time, I'm the face of Tiffany's first
Speaker 1: black person and artist rapper to be the face of Tiffany's. Also,
Speaker 1: I had a Hennessy deal, I did a deal Revlon deal,
Speaker 1: Like it's going crazy. And I think that, like with
Speaker 1: all of these things that I was doing, it really
Speaker 1: just bodied me, cause it like it it bodied me
Speaker 1: in a good way. Though it broke me into a
Speaker 1: new me because I was like, damn, what am I
Speaker 1: actually trying to reach? And then when I would like
Speaker 1: look at artists that like just keep trying to go,
Speaker 1: go go, go, go, go go, and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: are they trying to reach? Because like escape or trying
Speaker 1: to escape, And then I had to ask myself that question,
Speaker 1: like what am I trying to reach? Like when is
Speaker 1: it enough? And also I want to experience peace, Like
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to keep being addicted to working,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So and I didn't know
Speaker 1: if I was addicted to working, but I just I was.
Speaker 1: I was in you know, when you're coming out the hood,
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure you guys came from, you know,
Speaker 1: a place where like you had to kind of fight
Speaker 1: to get out of there, and then it has to
Speaker 1: become a time where it's like you realize you're not
Speaker 1: in that fight anymore. And that's what happened. I realized
Speaker 1: that I'm not like in Harlem, no more like fighting
Speaker 1: to get out of this place. So I had to
Speaker 1: like change my perspective. I had to get around other
Speaker 1: people that had things to realize, like, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: not the only one going through this. You know.
Speaker 4: It's interesting reason I asked you that is because you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of times when you first start going to therapy,
Speaker 4: it's not about what you're learning about yourself, is what
Speaker 4: you're unlearning, And in a lot of ways, that really
Speaker 4: does impact your creativity because you're like, well, who the
Speaker 4: hell am I I'm trying to figure you got to
Speaker 4: try to figure yourself out all over again. Was that
Speaker 4: one of the reasons for the hiatus with the music too?
Speaker 1: Uh? I think it's just growing. I think it's growing.
Speaker 1: We call it a hiatus, but it's like that was
Speaker 1: normal back in the time where like Biggie and Tupac,
Speaker 1: Biggie had like four years like he dropped ready to
Speaker 1: Die and then he came with Life After Death and
Speaker 1: that's all we got from him after that. Like Lauren
Speaker 1: Hill dropped one album and then dropped like a joint
Speaker 1: with the fujis. These is real writers. Kendrick took five
Speaker 1: years off to like, you know, write his album. So
Speaker 1: when you putting purpose into music, it is not just
Speaker 1: about making the world go like this, Like like I
Speaker 1: could do that all day, but like, all right, How'm
Speaker 1: gonna make the world go like this to the bpm?
Speaker 1: But also when a motherfucker come off the high or
Speaker 1: the liquor and they're driving back home and they sobered up,
Speaker 1: how can you make it hit they soul still? So
Speaker 1: that's me. I've always been a person that wanted to
Speaker 1: put the medicine into music because I do believe that
Speaker 1: music is a spiritual thing. You know, music we used
Speaker 1: to sing songs to, like you know, uh and slavery.
Speaker 1: We used to sing song to like tell you how
Speaker 1: to get out of there, like yo, you gotta go
Speaker 1: to the river and then you gotta get on the
Speaker 1: boat and then because Master not picking up on the
Speaker 1: slang and a swag and all of that. So you
Speaker 1: know that that is That's what I do as an artist.
Speaker 1: I figure out how to communicate to my culture what
Speaker 1: we're doing next.
Speaker 2: Now, you were very vulnerable on this album. Yes, knowing
Speaker 2: you for a long time, you've been pretty quiet, like
Speaker 2: you know, you don't really put your business out there.
Speaker 2: So how were you able to be so vulnerable and
Speaker 2: how difficult was it for you? I thought it was
Speaker 2: like cool to be vulnerable. I thought it was cool
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: I talked to the ancestors came through. Nah, I thought
Speaker 1: it was cool to be vulnerable because we're in the
Speaker 1: town where being vulnerable, if you can be vulnerable is
Speaker 1: cool because the kids they put everything out there. And
Speaker 1: at first I thought that was kind of like crazy,
Speaker 1: But then when I like really got hip to like
Speaker 1: what's happening, it's a shift in culture where it's like
Speaker 1: it's a lot of information being put out to us.
Speaker 1: We got Hulu, we got Netflix, we got YouTube, we
Speaker 1: got all of these outlets, and you have to stand
Speaker 1: out some type of way. We in a town where
Speaker 1: it's like we're battling for attention span so it's like
Speaker 1: the realist, like Real TV changed that, you know, real TV,
Speaker 1: and then you have love and hip hop and now
Speaker 1: you have straight up Instagram stories and reels and shit
Speaker 1: like that. So in your music you have to be
Speaker 1: honest because it's like, if you're not saying some honest shit,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna look at this dude's story and like
Speaker 1: he's not even rapping, but this is more interesting.
Speaker 5: Did you were you at all worried about how vulnerable
Speaker 5: you were gonna be pretty tragic things like that happened
Speaker 5: to you as a kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean it took me eight years to
Speaker 1: write Pool, Like, it was three songs that I had
Speaker 1: wrote to get to that point. So I wrote a
Speaker 1: song called We Don't Judge and Chance the rappers on it.
Speaker 1: I'm still put that out with Stacey Barth. And then
Speaker 1: I wrote another song called Innocent Child, which was like
Speaker 1: three different stories about three different I mean yeah, three
Speaker 1: different stories about three different people. The last story was Mines,
Speaker 1: and then I was just trying to refine, like and
Speaker 1: then I linked up with my boy Kirby, who he designed.
Speaker 1: He's the designer and owner Pierre Moss. I just love
Speaker 1: his storytelling through his clothes and how he speaks to
Speaker 1: the world. He kind of grabs the bull by the
Speaker 1: horns and we got in the studio and he's just like, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: like you itching towards it and you're scratching the surface
Speaker 1: in this song, innocent child when you need to like
Speaker 1: really just dive in and just go crazy.
Speaker 3: That you called it pool.
Speaker 1: I called it pool because of so I got dr
Speaker 1: I got Basically I went to, I don't want to
Speaker 1: tell us the whole thing, yeah, but yeah, I want
Speaker 1: you to go to listen to it because that's where
Speaker 1: you'll get like the really finite detail of the song.
Speaker 1: But basically, it was an incident that happened in the
Speaker 1: pool when I was a young kid, and it's everybody's
Speaker 1: around and everything like that, and you know, for me,
Speaker 1: it was like weird. And then I was like and
Speaker 1: it was like one second, but I'm like why, And
Speaker 1: it just made me ask why. And I wanted to
Speaker 1: basically create a piece of art that my kid could find,
Speaker 1: all like kids could find and listen to it and
Speaker 1: I'm still jiggy, I'm still this person or whatever, and
Speaker 1: your and and let them know that like the things
Speaker 1: that happened to you really happened for you. But the
Speaker 1: things that happen to you can it's it's it doesn't
Speaker 1: make it doesn't define us define exactly. So I was
Speaker 1: like and then also I was thinking, like all these
Speaker 1: rappers and people just be like, yo, we're on demon toime,
Speaker 1: we on demon Time, And I'm like, when when has
Speaker 1: that ever been cool? To be on demon times? Really?
Speaker 1: Like that's like not cool, like to be on demon town,
Speaker 1: Like we on Demon Time. People don't even know where
Speaker 1: that energy comes from, Like you just took him by yo,
Speaker 1: we on demon time. Yo. This is just is what
Speaker 1: it is. And I understand because like I got homies
Speaker 1: that's in it, Like so sometimes you forced to be
Speaker 1: in it, But if you're not forced to be in it,
Speaker 1: then it's like why you want to be on demon time?
Speaker 1: Like we should be like wanting to help each other.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was just what I was creating that
Speaker 1: song for. And you know a lot of people say
Speaker 1: we do on Demon time, and they don't talk about
Speaker 1: the demons, Like let's open this up, like let's let's
Speaker 1: let's let's uh dissect what the demon is is, Like
Speaker 1: let's sit at a table that's what hip hop is.
Speaker 1: Hip hop is religion. Hip hop is our spirituality. Like
Speaker 1: hip hop is this like if when this mic, when
Speaker 1: the cameras is off and you know, we're going we're
Speaker 1: giving each other file and shit like that, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about this conversation like that's some real shit. Like
Speaker 1: but while we can't talk about the real shit on
Speaker 1: camera and have these discussions. Hip hop is a thing
Speaker 1: that unites religions and kids. You know, there's Muslims and
Speaker 1: Jewish people that's war on with each other. I went
Speaker 1: to Jerusalem how to show I seen all of them
Speaker 1: turning up together. I got back home like they letting
Speaker 1: me have it on, Like this is how I knew
Speaker 1: it was a problem because I'm not knowing like I'm
Speaker 1: making music but like I'm not knowing that I did
Speaker 1: something like powerful. But like when I get back home,
Speaker 1: I check on my DM, They're like, yo, how you
Speaker 1: gonna perform for the Muslims? How are you gonna perform
Speaker 1: for the Jews? Da da da da da? And I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: the kids don't want to fight. The kids want to
Speaker 1: like unite. The kids want to see the light.
Speaker 4: The kids are caught up in something bigger than them,
Speaker 4: something that's been going on longer than.
Speaker 1: Them exactly, but like who's really having that conversation? Like
Speaker 1: why are we not having that conversation? Like I don't know.
Speaker 3: Was it difficult depend the right the words for pool?
Speaker 4: Is that why it took eight years because just being
Speaker 4: just publicly addressing you know, what happened to you. You know,
Speaker 4: it's hard to address moleftation period, but also with his
Speaker 4: molestation from the same sex.
Speaker 1: With First of all, I just had the I was
Speaker 1: looking at the the news that you put out the
Speaker 1: other day, and then I had to like research molestation
Speaker 1: and like malestation sounds so crazy to me, Like it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: like you know, it could vary, like what molestation is
Speaker 1: regardless of what it is, it can like how old
Speaker 1: were you? I was nine years old? How old was
Speaker 1: the person? The person was way older than me because.
Speaker 4: He was I used to think this I got b
Speaker 4: left by I read I seen you look at it
Speaker 4: the same way.
Speaker 2: Like did you think it the worse when you think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you got different levels, like you know
Speaker 1: I was touched. Like to be clear, like you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make it no different because you know everything affects.
Speaker 1: I was like groped basically, and I just found it
Speaker 1: weird because it's another dude.
Speaker 5: Like absolutely, like what there scared?
Speaker 1: That weird? Like you, yeah, were you.
Speaker 2: Scared to tell your family because your family comes from
Speaker 2: the street. I know you said you told your cousin
Speaker 2: when you're scared because you knew that if your family
Speaker 2: found out.
Speaker 1: I told my cousin because he was my age and
Speaker 1: I didn't want to I didn't want to feel weird,
Speaker 1: like I'm holding this thing to myself, so I had
Speaker 1: to tell somebody. And then years later I told my
Speaker 1: mom after seeing a precious movie and then people was
Speaker 1: like standing up. We went to I don't know we've
Speaker 1: seen like a you went to like a premiere of
Speaker 1: the precious movie and people was like standing up and
Speaker 1: telling these stories after that thing. And then I told
Speaker 1: her like on the train, and she was just like
Speaker 1: what for real? When I'm sorry? Like she just felt
Speaker 1: like a bad mom. But like you know, we in
Speaker 1: the hood, we going to the pool, we're going to
Speaker 1: the park. You just never know, like wirdows could just
Speaker 1: creep up in the mix and you can't hold your
Speaker 1: kid by you twenty four seven, like, so that's a
Speaker 1: and then the hood, I mean, and then not just
Speaker 1: in the hood, everywhere. I feel like this shit is
Speaker 1: going on and people not gonna talk about it, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, what am I talking about? Like I
Speaker 1: didn't make that happen to me, like like that shit
Speaker 1: ain't mine to like be trying to hold inside, like.
Speaker 3: And it's powerful that you're sharing it. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of brothers.
Speaker 4: I think the only other person that you've heard talk
Speaker 4: about that in rap was Common No Common, and then
Speaker 4: Jel Curry over there.
Speaker 1: People say that Kendrick said something about it, but I
Speaker 1: think that was about his mom.
Speaker 3: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a song on his album, The Big Steppers.
Speaker 1: Is it called the Big Steppers? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Did you and have those conversations when y'all recording demas?
Speaker 1: Nah? I didn't even tell him what to write about.
Speaker 1: I actually that was the last song because that was
Speaker 1: just me by myself at first, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: how can I turn this up? But he heard the context,
Speaker 1: like me and him have like a telepathy that like
Speaker 1: we don't have to talk to each other to know
Speaker 1: what it is. So he got it and he understood
Speaker 1: the assignment.
Speaker 5: How did y'all end up piecing up? I know y'all
Speaker 5: had like a little beef.
Speaker 1: I never had beef for him. I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 1: the beef type person, like I'd rather like I'm not.
Speaker 1: I just don't have to talk to you. What we
Speaker 1: beef before?
Speaker 5: How did y'all connect with that? After that? Though?
Speaker 1: I took Denzel on tour on mad Man Tour. Was
Speaker 1: it was on the first wing. It was Playboy CARTI
Speaker 1: and somebody else. Oh, I think it was I DK
Speaker 1: and I had like I had came off tour during
Speaker 1: that time because I was just mentally and physically drank,
Speaker 1: and then I came back on and then I think
Speaker 1: he came on for the second wing. But me and
Speaker 1: Denzel always been cool, like super cool. We were the
Speaker 1: type of dudes talking like I don't know what they're doing,
Speaker 1: like they're tripping. But yeah, that's my buddy, Like I
Speaker 1: loved this, He's my favorite rapper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said, is it hard to have these conversations? Could?
Speaker 4: I could always think about, you know, when you're sharing
Speaker 4: so much of yourself and you're being so vulnerable about
Speaker 4: certain things, but then you do got to go out
Speaker 4: here and do interviews and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Is it hard to have those conversations.
Speaker 1: No, I just think that it's it could be challenging
Speaker 1: on how to uh because you know, you get ridiculed
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff, and people love to take
Speaker 1: sound bites and take it out of term and I
Speaker 1: have to be cool with that. But I think that's
Speaker 1: really on how I convey it, Like that's what I
Speaker 1: focused on. Like I thought about this interview like months
Speaker 1: before I got here. Yeah, I'm like, cause I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna have to talk about this stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, how do I talk about it?
Speaker 1: And you know, this is not, first of all easy,
Speaker 1: you don't hear this is like the first type shit,
Speaker 1: like like somebody talk about this this open you get
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm like leading the pack for a
Speaker 1: new way right now, like and it's not easy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's gonna come out the way and come out.
Speaker 1: But I just try to figure out, like, all right,
Speaker 1: how can I best you know, paint the picture exactly
Speaker 1: the way it is in my mind?
Speaker 4: And then coming from Harlem, which is the pause capital
Speaker 4: you even have that conversation without somebody.
Speaker 1: I'm grown like, yeah, like that's that's neither here nor there,
Speaker 1: like you know, and yeah, pause, like it's still paused.
Speaker 1: Like my gay friends say paused.
Speaker 5: They gotta be fami. I feel like the only gay
Speaker 5: niggas that say paused.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask you said that you feel
Speaker 2: like you should be in the conversations when it comes
Speaker 2: to Kendrick Lamar, J Cole and Drake. Then somebody would say,
Speaker 2: but it takes you too damn long.
Speaker 1: To put out a project. That's what we do.
Speaker 5: What was your mindset behind I thought I was dead.
Speaker 1: They thought I was dead. I never thought I was dead.
Speaker 5: Okay, well tell me that the mindset behind.
Speaker 1: That, The mindset behind that was the l's comment. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He said I was a you know,
Speaker 1: I was burnt out, trapped, little can't get it right.
Speaker 1: I remember that. I remember that so vivid.
Speaker 4: You there, You're the most active from.
Speaker 1: It for me, musmusically, musically, Yeah. And he said that
Speaker 1: when I had like a song on a billboard with
Speaker 1: Nas Spicy and a song with Nicki Minaj. But I
Speaker 1: love Els, you know, I love him even when he
Speaker 1: don't know I do or if he don't think I do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that fueled me and I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is great because for so long
Speaker 1: I felt like nobody was trying to fuck with me,
Speaker 1: Like I needed somebody to like poke me, like poke
Speaker 1: the beer so I could get better. Like so I
Speaker 1: just used a fuel to just create. And yeah, and
Speaker 1: also I was looking at Dion Sander's team. They just
Speaker 1: kept losing, so I'm gonna create an anthem for them
Speaker 1: and just for any But then it turned into for
Speaker 1: anybody who was doubted. I wanted to create this anthem
Speaker 1: for I feel.
Speaker 2: Like the album is kind of like that, Like you
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of people doubted you in this
Speaker 2: album and it's like, this is my way of giving
Speaker 2: y'all a middle finger, telling y'all I'm back.
Speaker 1: Nah, it wasn't really, It's a few. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: lot of people, like because I know I'm lit, like
Speaker 1: I that's not a question in my mind. It's just
Speaker 1: I'm talking to a few people. Yeah, and you can
Speaker 1: hear it, like, you know, I say some names, I'm
Speaker 1: sly with some things, but you get a I'm very
Speaker 1: transparent on this album.
Speaker 5: Now you said that you corrected me. You never thought
Speaker 5: you was dead. But you have a song called alive
Speaker 5: with a sad face next to it.
Speaker 1: Alive Unhappy. It's called I just thought that'd be cool
Speaker 1: to like use a emoji. That's a part of the title.
Speaker 1: Another thing with the title, and I'm gonna get back
Speaker 1: to what you was asking. The title reads, it's basically
Speaker 1: a summary when you read it down of what the
Speaker 1: album is about.
Speaker 3: So you got work, thought I was dead?
Speaker 4: Alive, the Lord demons, messy French tips, that homies captain
Speaker 4: spelled fool chosen doubt exactly.
Speaker 1: So what you asked again, unhappy? All right, So basically
Speaker 1: now that leads us here, Uh, light work, because I'm
Speaker 1: a light worker. Like I sat down with these mediums
Speaker 1: and they told me I was a light worker. I
Speaker 1: come to shed light in a place of dark.
Speaker 3: Work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not playing, We're here to fix things. So
Speaker 1: light work. I come to shed dark I mean light
Speaker 1: in a land of dark. So but in Harlem we
Speaker 1: be like, oh, that shit is light work, that shit
Speaker 1: is easy. So I'm like thinking, like, yo, this is
Speaker 1: light work. And then I have my little cousin do
Speaker 1: that on a song. This is light work. So light
Speaker 1: work goes until they thought I was dead. They thought
Speaker 1: I was dead because I've been going for four years.
Speaker 1: And then you go to Alive Unhappy, which that but
Speaker 1: then is speaking on the intro and then Alive Unhappy
Speaker 1: is basically just saying like, nah, I'm not dead, I'm alive,
Speaker 1: but I'm unhappy and that is the why I've been gone.
Speaker 1: So alive unhappy, And then it goes into why the
Speaker 1: allure with me in future, the allay of the game,
Speaker 1: the money, the fame, the drugs, the booze, the everything.
Speaker 1: You know, we have five people die out of a sap,
Speaker 1: Yams China, Jay, Scott, Pressy and Josh. Yeah, I won't
Speaker 1: be surprised if it's like somebody are missing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so alive unhappy. Uh. And then you go into a law,
Speaker 1: and then a law with the a law of the
Speaker 1: game comes to demons. Now we're talking about the demons. Now,
Speaker 1: what I said, rappers want to talk about demons out
Speaker 1: there on Demon Time, but they don't open it up.
Speaker 1: And I'm not coming at no rappers. This is just
Speaker 1: a pamphlet on or a blueprint on what we need
Speaker 1: to do. Open those demons up and let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: So I start talking about the demons. I see demons everywhere,
Speaker 1: Demons from the pain, Demons in my cup, demons in
Speaker 1: my brain, Demons in the food, Demons with the fame,
Speaker 1: Demons in the sun, demons in the rain. She on
Speaker 1: demon times. She don't need the vibe. No, I got
Speaker 1: a girl. She don't even mind. I don't got a condom.
Speaker 1: I don't need to find demon in my mind telling
Speaker 1: me it's fine. So we going to demons, and then
Speaker 1: we go in to messy, because with demons, shit get messy,
Speaker 1: and then messy it goes into French tips, you know,
Speaker 1: getting messy with my girl and fucking up all of
Speaker 1: that ship. But like I'm also showing gratitude towards my
Speaker 1: lady and that song. And then we going to casting
Speaker 1: spells on that homie. Sorry, that's another that's demons too,
Speaker 1: Like all my niggas is dying, all of that. I
Speaker 1: gotta deal with that. And then we go in to
Speaker 1: casting spells, which is like more about like manifestation where
Speaker 1: we're talking about power words. Uh, that's why they call
Speaker 1: it spelling. It's like casting spells every time you talk.
Speaker 1: So you know, young Thug was locked up at the time,
Speaker 1: and he was locked up behind bars for his bars.
Speaker 1: So I did a painting. I painted all of my
Speaker 1: my cover art too, So I did a painting called
Speaker 1: Young Thug, and then it has like bars like jail bars,
Speaker 1: and then it has rico and blood behind bars. So
Speaker 1: I was like, put put the rico behind bars because
Speaker 1: we're getting locked up for our bars. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: we got cast and spells. Then we go into pool.
Speaker 1: This is when it like start getting real and in
Speaker 1: the skin, into the spirit of what this album is about.
Speaker 1: And then we go into uh Chosen because that is
Speaker 1: an affirmation to myself, I'm the chosen one. And then
Speaker 1: we go into Darryl. I arrived to myself for myself.
Speaker 4: You talk on on the live you talk about how
Speaker 4: you only got one more album with Sony.
Speaker 1: Now that's thought I was dead.
Speaker 3: I thought I was dead. I'm sorry, I done thought
Speaker 3: I was dead.
Speaker 4: What's important to you at this stage of your your
Speaker 4: career when it comes to like just renegotiating if.
Speaker 1: You even want to renegotiate, Uh, just more freedom, uh
Speaker 1: more money. I got signed. I had three partners basically
Speaker 1: in my pocket and easy and breezy. I never talk
Speaker 1: about business. I never talk about family business. I might
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about family business and songs get trouble,
Speaker 1: get in trouble for it sometimes. But yeah, I had,
Speaker 1: you know, three partners, and I had to work through
Speaker 1: that for ten years. So everything that you see I have,
Speaker 1: I had to work like ten times harder to get it.
Speaker 1: So now you know, I have one more album. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make some more money. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: point blank period. I got things I need to do.
Speaker 2: And I noticed on the Law of people were talking
Speaker 2: about futures verse people were assuming that he was talking
Speaker 2: about Gunna. Of course, when people send you verses, do
Speaker 2: you listen or do you not care? That's their own
Speaker 2: artistic way of feeling.
Speaker 1: Oh, I definitely listen. I'm listening, and I know what
Speaker 1: people was talking about. But yeah, artistic freedom. I'm not
Speaker 1: allowing nobody to like it's words. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you know what I'm saying, and his words
Speaker 1: like we see I think Future and Drake just got
Speaker 1: linked back up and they cool again. And Okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know I met Gunner through Thug, so I'm lawyer
Speaker 1: to Thug. Whatever Thug say, is good. It's good, you
Speaker 1: know I love I love Thug and I've grown a
Speaker 1: love for Gunner and when I see him, it's love.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like, whatever Thug say.
Speaker 3: Have you spoken to Dougs?
Speaker 1: I haven't spoke to Thug when he was home, but
Speaker 1: I went to his girl's show and we had spoke
Speaker 1: on the phone.
Speaker 5: How was the work of withmrgie Bline? You got her
Speaker 5: on two tracks?
Speaker 1: Mary is the Queen. Mary is literally the best in
Speaker 1: the world, Like we are the same spirit, like uptown energy,
Speaker 1: her remixing like Royeers songs. I love Royeers. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like it was a dream for me to work with her.
Speaker 1: She actually chose four songs to like jump on. She
Speaker 1: wound up getting on too, But yeah, I do a
Speaker 1: whole album with her. She's amazing.
Speaker 3: How therapy kept you grounded, more poised.
Speaker 1: It gave me tools to work through thoughts. It's like
Speaker 1: I look at my therapists like a life manager, Like
Speaker 1: we got managers for our money, we got managers for
Speaker 1: our work, and like we need managers for our mind.
Speaker 1: And you might need a spiritual spiritual god too, to
Speaker 1: like guide you through the unseen. So it's like that's
Speaker 1: how I look at therapy. It's just like a life manager.
Speaker 1: It helps me put things into perspective, like you said,
Speaker 1: unwinding things and breaking conditions and like understanding where things
Speaker 1: is rooted, so you could kind of look at it
Speaker 1: and just be like, oh, that's popping back up, let
Speaker 1: me dive in. And then also like meditation. I've been
Speaker 1: meditating for about five years now, like religiously. When I
Speaker 1: had like heavy anxiety, I was meditating for thirty minutes
Speaker 1: in a day as soon as I wake up, and
Speaker 1: then thirty minutes before I go to sleep. And then
Speaker 1: that shit literally that in the therapy. Like I used
Speaker 1: to go into the therapy office and my leg was
Speaker 1: moving like this. I used to watch my father do
Speaker 1: that all the time. And when I first walked in there,
Speaker 1: he said, you see your leg moving like that? And
Speaker 1: I was like, and then I just stopped. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's anxiety. And anxiety also don't only have to be
Speaker 1: from trauma or whatever. It can be you're happy, you're excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you want to see what it's gonna do.
Speaker 1: It Like when I walked Kendrick through harlem My anxiety
Speaker 1: was through the roof because I'm like, Kendrick one of
Speaker 1: my favorite rappids, So it's like that right there was like, uh,
Speaker 1: that was that was cool. That was some cool ship.
Speaker 1: Niggas can't do that, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: he was protected. Nothing happened on my watch. He was
Speaker 1: more nervous about like me, sure, I wasn't even thinking
Speaker 1: about that. Te Ferd really thought about that because I
Speaker 1: just don't think shit gonna happen to me at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah about that you walking walking him through
Speaker 1: a Harlem. So I had one to his show and
Speaker 1: he was like, yo, I got a day off tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you trying to go to Harlem? Hm?
Speaker 1: He was like yeah, I'm down. And then Dave Free
Speaker 1: called me. He was like, Yo, this nigga really trying
Speaker 1: to pull up the halem. So I had to like
Speaker 1: put a whole itinerary together and randomly wound up being
Speaker 1: Dapper Dan's birthday that day. He didn't even know I
Speaker 1: was coming to see him, And I brought Kendrick to
Speaker 1: Melbourns and then we went to Dapper Then I brought
Speaker 1: him to my hood showed them like the stupid that
Speaker 1: you know I used to hang out on and it
Speaker 1: was like he's like, you know, they don't got hydrants
Speaker 1: open in La, so he's like touching the water act
Speaker 1: like that whole water. Yeah. I just thought it was
Speaker 1: cool and it kind of like I seen the kid
Speaker 1: in them. Like we walked through two fifth, like from
Speaker 1: like seventh to eighth, and you know, like we walked
Speaker 1: past the Apollo. He looking at the DVDs that they
Speaker 1: got on the table, and it was early, so all
Speaker 1: the kids is in school, so it wasn't like crazy mayhem.
Speaker 1: We was like lo. We was like damn, like where
Speaker 1: everybody at? And then I crossed the street we went
Speaker 1: and we got like some mangos from the Mexican lady.
Speaker 1: So it was cool. And that's what is that the
Speaker 1: video where he did the pull ups? Yeah he beat
Speaker 1: t Ferg and the pull ups. Yeah, they got it.
Speaker 1: They gotta do a rematch. We said, we gotta go
Speaker 1: to Compton and they gotta do the rematch because we
Speaker 1: can't go out like that.
Speaker 3: East Coast another thing people were talking about earlier this year.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you spoke about this anywhere, but
Speaker 4: when they was looking for Rocky to be on Romelo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, put it out.
Speaker 3: He wasn't doing there.
Speaker 1: I think Rocky low Ki used that verse for another song. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's what happened. But he ain't telling me that,
Speaker 1: so you had to take him off. I didn't take
Speaker 1: him off that. The version still exists. We can still
Speaker 1: put it out, yo, everybody, all the fans go hond
Speaker 1: Rocky to drop his version of Romelo, because whatever other
Speaker 1: song he dropped, we don't remember that. Go drop the
Speaker 1: Romelo verse. We need that. That back and forth is
Speaker 1: crazy on some Jada and styles, going back and forth crazy.
Speaker 4: And you know, people always talk about your face when
Speaker 4: they when they did the they showed that video of
Speaker 4: Rocky talking about fighting in jail.
Speaker 3: Classic for whatever reason, that goes.
Speaker 4: Super viral on TikTok all the time, and they always
Speaker 4: doing it on your face.
Speaker 1: What were you thinking of that moment. I was just listening.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even thinking, and I didn't even realize I
Speaker 1: was doing all of that with my face until I like,
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I seen a mic drop like this,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, I'm like and I'm like, because
Speaker 1: this is news to me, Like I never first of
Speaker 1: all casting Ova. When he first came home, he told
Speaker 1: me he was locked up with Flocker, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know that Rocky was locked up, so that was news.
Speaker 1: And then when I think I brought it up or
Speaker 1: he brought it up during that interview, and then he
Speaker 1: started going to the details. This was all news to me.
Speaker 1: So I'm just reacting to the news and I didn't
Speaker 1: know I was looking like that.
Speaker 3: Did you talk about its?
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, we laughed about it. You Rocky likes shit
Speaker 1: like that. He's silly like he Rocky is. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: he Rocky a different type of dude, Like he ain't
Speaker 1: tripping about none of that shit, at least to me.
Speaker 3: Do you miss that having the whole gang around?
Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't because it was a time. It
Speaker 1: was a time when we was kids. A lot of
Speaker 1: it was fun, but a lot of it I was
Speaker 1: just like, man, I can't wait till I have my
Speaker 1: own bus. I can't wait till like it's my time
Speaker 1: to like pick out people who I want to roll
Speaker 1: with me and do my thing. Cause I don't smoke weed,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't do a lot of the things
Speaker 1: like I mean, the girls. Yeah, we was doing a
Speaker 1: lot of the teens, but we you know, it was
Speaker 1: some fun moments in that and I like to leave
Speaker 1: it like that, like it's legendary, Like I wouldn't want to,
Speaker 1: you know, if it's a thing where like any of
Speaker 1: my brothers need anything, like I could put up on
Speaker 1: twelve V work through stuff or you know. But yo,
Speaker 1: that's eleven years in front of y'all. But like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But before that, we like in
Speaker 1: Harlem doing the same thing, but not in front of
Speaker 1: the world. So you know, all together, it's probably like
Speaker 1: seventeen years of just us. I'm ready for new new things,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, And like I said,
Speaker 1: if any of them need anything, I'm here. I do
Speaker 1: sorry to cut your wisdom, but I do feel like
Speaker 1: we gotta get this asap movie together, and we gotta
Speaker 1: get the Yams stuff together and tell a story because
Speaker 1: we are getting of age and it's that.
Speaker 4: Time y'all going after you think Yams being Yams, he
Speaker 4: felt like the heart and soul of everything. You think
Speaker 4: when he passed, that like changed everything, the whole dynamics
Speaker 4: of the group or the crew.
Speaker 1: When he passed, for sure, because Jams was fighting. Like
Speaker 1: I watched Jams catching siege at Coachella. He went to
Speaker 1: the hospital when he came back and he he's still
Speaker 1: trying to fight to everybody and talk like, well, he
Speaker 1: wasn't fighting, but he was like fighting through that having
Speaker 1: another seizure, you know, while talking and trying to get
Speaker 1: everybody together because you got different textures and you know,
Speaker 1: I might be like silk, and like Rocky might be
Speaker 1: like hemp, and like uh Nas might be like leather.
Speaker 1: So you're trying to mesh all of these different fabrics
Speaker 1: together and that's a tough thing to do, especially coming
Speaker 1: from Harlem like and Yams like Yams Yams. Every time
Speaker 1: he talked, it's just like he was getting electrocuted. He
Speaker 1: he just catch another It's not funny, but like at
Speaker 1: that moment, I'm like, yo, bro, you're gonna die, Like
Speaker 1: you gotta stop you You're stressing yourself out way too much.
Speaker 1: Like and that's I don't miss that. I don't miss
Speaker 1: that energy and I don't miss but it was it
Speaker 1: made me into who I am, and I know that
Speaker 1: that's a very real thing. And that's why I also
Speaker 1: feel like this album is important.
Speaker 5: You speak about therapy like in past, and you know
Speaker 5: you're not in therapy anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh no, No, this is my therapy now, you know,
Speaker 1: talking to y'all. So whenever I need to like talk
Speaker 1: to somebody, I'm gonna come here. Nice.
Speaker 4: You definitely go to your therapy, like you said, it's
Speaker 4: something that you keep, like it's like a doctor.
Speaker 1: If I need it, like I will go. But it
Speaker 1: was times where like I'll just go and be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: how's the family, and then like, yeah, the family is good?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, so I was like, how was Thanksgiving? And
Speaker 1: we ain't got nothing to talk because I got the
Speaker 1: tools I get you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, talk to us about Ferg apparel. You're relaunching.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, just show it. Okay, that's what's uping. That
Speaker 5: was your pops line, right, yeah, and you're relaunching it.
Speaker 1: It was it's a family brand from the furg Empire.
Speaker 1: My father started in nineteen ninety four, had a store
Speaker 1: in one forty fifth between seventh and eighth, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I just thought it was time, like with like this
Speaker 1: whole me going back to the roots, I just thought
Speaker 1: it was only right. I never really put the energy
Speaker 1: into like relaunching the brand. I always used the logo,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to relaunch the brand, and I felt
Speaker 1: like it was a whole demographic that wasn't getting fed.
Speaker 1: And that's like the uptown energy, Like we don't got that.
Speaker 1: We don't got that. In fashion, we don't got the stories.
Speaker 1: And nowadays kids love going shopping advantage stores and stuff
Speaker 1: like that because those close hold stories in it, and
Speaker 1: they want to be in those stories.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: They they spend like one thousand dollars on like a
Speaker 1: Selena shirt or like you know, Tina Turner. So I
Speaker 1: just wanted to like provide the stories to them because
Speaker 1: that's important. They were like my friend's son, we was
Speaker 1: all working out, well, my uncle's son, he was we
Speaker 1: was working out yesterday and his son is fourteen years
Speaker 1: well seventeen years old, and he's just like asking me,
Speaker 1: like yo, when you were seventeen, like how you was
Speaker 1: doing it? So they need the information. They need the information,
Speaker 1: so I want to give it to him.
Speaker 4: I was watching a hand in gene Views. I saw
Speaker 4: you on their on effective immediately, Yeah, you said you
Speaker 4: got a job at rock Nation.
Speaker 1: I don't have a job at rock Nation.
Speaker 5: So J. J.
Speaker 1: Brown is my manager and along with Kaylee and I
Speaker 1: brought in my uncle Dion, but I had an internship
Speaker 1: at Rockefeller back in the day, well not Rockefeller, but
Speaker 1: Rock a War and yeah, so we we working together,
Speaker 1: like and it's nice.
Speaker 3: You got you, got, you got you.
Speaker 4: My last question, man, I saw a quote, Well you
Speaker 4: said it's okay to grow up, and that's what I
Speaker 4: want to show my community on this album. So it
Speaker 4: just made me wonder, why do you think our community
Speaker 4: is the one that judges people for something as simple
Speaker 4: as wanting to grow up or wanting to better yourself.
Speaker 1: We watched all of the great people do it. Jay Z, Kendrick,
Speaker 1: J Cole. I love Snoop. Snoop is my favorite rap
Speaker 1: of in the world. We got the same birthday, October twentie.
Speaker 1: Snoop is my favorite rapper because he was the first
Speaker 1: to show his kids like, yo, this is my family,
Speaker 1: this is my kids, and be like a gangster rapper.
Speaker 1: Like I thought that was super dope and he could
Speaker 1: be gangster but also still be gangster and do a
Speaker 1: Martha Steward show and not look like he compromising himself.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's some libra shit, but
Speaker 1: I rock with that.
Speaker 2: Let's get into a joint off the album what you
Speaker 2: want to Hear Chosen? Yeah, all right, well we'll get
Speaker 2: into that now.
Speaker 3: The album Darryl is out right now and we appreciate
Speaker 3: you for joining us.
Speaker 1: Brother. Yes, it's Berg.
Speaker 3: It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning. The
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club