Speaker 1: What's that at the bed spooky? Hey, Juky, I'm really
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. He's coming to this way. Wait a minute, hey,
Speaker 1: I said, I not Nandez Police. Hey boo, it's me
Speaker 1: Roz and welcome to doosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast
Speaker 1: where I talk to people that I like about the paranormal.
Speaker 1: This week we are joined by the sensational Sashir Zamata,
Speaker 1: who of course is constantly on television podcasts and former
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live cast member. I asked her a little
Speaker 1: bit about is thirty Raw haunted? I always wonder that
Speaker 1: that place haunted. It has to be whatever Sashier came
Speaker 1: with the stories, honey. So I'm just gonna make this
Speaker 1: intro real quick this time, because Sashier is a dream guest.
Speaker 1: You'll see what I'm talking about. Let's just get into it.
Speaker 1: Here's me talking to Sashier Zameida and with the show.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I am joined this week by Sashier Zameida. Sashiir,
Speaker 1: how are you? I am so good.
Speaker 2: It's good to be here.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. It's a rainy day in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: It's a rainy day, spooky day.
Speaker 1: Do you believe in ghosts. I don't know if I.
Speaker 3: Consider them ghosts, but yeah, I guess like energy that
Speaker 3: doesn't like leave this plane. I do believe in like
Speaker 3: there's still being uh life here when life has gone.
Speaker 2: I guess if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can get into that. Have you experienced that yourself?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have spent a lot of time in New Orleans,
Speaker 3: which is just a haunted place, like straight up.
Speaker 1: They know it, they love it.
Speaker 3: I've definitely passed real estate signs like for sale signs
Speaker 3: and they list on the board haunted.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, just so you know. People send me
Speaker 1: that all the time, And yeah, I think it's great
Speaker 1: because for some people that's a huge appeal. For other people,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Now where would you be on that?
Speaker 3: I would be on uh, absolutely not. I don't want
Speaker 3: to live with more people than I intend to.
Speaker 1: You're not paying rent, yeah, and they come and go.
Speaker 1: You can't really plan on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's like a fun idea, but it's
Speaker 3: not a place I would want to live.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: Actually, I was there with my partner at the time
Speaker 3: and we were on mushrooms, which I would not recommend
Speaker 3: anyone do mushrooms in New Orleans because it already has
Speaker 3: so much energy that you don't need to enhance that.
Speaker 3: But anyway, we were on mushrooms that day and having
Speaker 3: a great time.
Speaker 2: Like loving the music of the streets. It felt so good.
Speaker 3: And then I remember we passed a busker who was
Speaker 3: singing change Gonna Come, and we were like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: the city's so magical.
Speaker 2: And then it started getting dark.
Speaker 3: Energy started shifting, and then things that we thought were
Speaker 3: cute before were no longer cute, Like we saw the
Speaker 3: same busker and it was just like a like a
Speaker 3: bit off for a little pitchy or just like change
Speaker 3: go and come, and we're like, we don't want that change.
Speaker 3: And I remember we were on a royal street on
Speaker 3: the Gallery Street and we were staring through a window
Speaker 3: looking at a painting because it was moving. It was like,
Speaker 3: you know, the visuals really fun. While we were on
Speaker 3: drugs and I felt someone touched my back like like
Speaker 3: a grasp, and I turned around and my partner was
Speaker 3: not close to me, like a few feet away, and
Speaker 3: I was like, did you just touch me? And he's
Speaker 3: like no, and I was like, oh, we got to
Speaker 3: guest the street. We gotta go back to the hotel.
Speaker 3: I don't like this vibe. So we go back to
Speaker 3: the hotel and we tried to hook up, which is like,
Speaker 3: why does anyone try to hook up on drugs? Like
Speaker 3: we like it felt like my head was inside of
Speaker 3: his head and vice versa.
Speaker 2: Like it was not working. We were like, we should stop.
Speaker 2: This feels messy.
Speaker 3: So we stopped and then woke up the next morning
Speaker 3: and I remember being like, it's so weird. Like while
Speaker 3: we were making out, it felt like the door was
Speaker 3: wide open and there was another person in the room,
Speaker 3: like just like standing in the corner.
Speaker 2: And he was like, that's what I felt too, But.
Speaker 3: We didn't like communicate that that night, Like it was
Speaker 3: the morning where I was like, that was a weird feeling,
Speaker 3: and he was like I also felt that. And I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, was there another entity in
Speaker 3: the room.
Speaker 1: Like trying to start a ghost thrupple.
Speaker 3: Yes, trying to start out orgy. Yeah, it was quite unnerving.
Speaker 3: And I have told this exact story on stage separately
Speaker 3: in a different town, and as I was talking about it,
Speaker 3: the light bulb above me burst.
Speaker 1: That's not good.
Speaker 2: That's not good.
Speaker 3: I was like, it is the ghost following me being like,
Speaker 3: keep my name out of your mouth.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, we didn't do anything. I was just watching. Yeah,
Speaker 1: calm down, wait a second. Okay, did you get a
Speaker 1: vibe of like masculine, feminine, anything like that?
Speaker 3: Hmmm, I would say, just from my memory masculine. And
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but it did feel like there
Speaker 3: was just some.
Speaker 1: Dude or just staring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I don't know if that means like someone
Speaker 3: passing that hotel or whoever touched me on the street
Speaker 3: followed us into the hotel.
Speaker 1: I do not know. Oh I don't like that. But
Speaker 1: that's the thing with New Orleans or you know some
Speaker 1: of these places where there's just it's everywhere you go
Speaker 1: to your hotel room, you go on the street, they'll
Speaker 1: find you.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking today, this is a good idea.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pitch you a sitcom. Oh please. Okay. It's
Speaker 1: two best friends. The one is like they're not they're
Speaker 1: not the star of the show. They're just like a person, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and then their best friend, who's like the real star,
Speaker 1: got like a super dry sense of humor, pan sexual,
Speaker 1: and then they die, but then they come back as
Speaker 1: a ghost. Okay, this pan sexual person with a dry
Speaker 1: sense of humor, and the show's called deadpan. Wow.
Speaker 3: I actually really love that. I think I feel like
Speaker 3: some shows get sold by name. I feel like that's
Speaker 3: already ahead of the curb.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm gonna keep working on it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah I needed that. Okay, So I'm not a big
Speaker 1: You said it was mushrooms, right, Yeah, I never have
Speaker 1: done mushrooms like that. Like I feel like I had
Speaker 1: like a little bit back in the day and like
Speaker 1: not so much happening. Yeah, but do you like hallucinate,
Speaker 1: like you actually see things.
Speaker 2: I haven't in a while.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's because it's not my
Speaker 3: first couple times anymore, or it's just I'm taking less
Speaker 3: than I have before. But the very first time I
Speaker 3: did it, it was full cartoons.
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah. I was in New York.
Speaker 3: I drank mushroom tea, and I was also doing this
Speaker 3: with a person who did mushrooms a lot. Huh, So
Speaker 3: I think her scale of what a beginner should have
Speaker 3: was a bit off. So we had mushroom tea and
Speaker 3: then also ate the mushrooms at the bottom of the tea,
Speaker 3: and we were like watching videos on my computer. The
Speaker 3: images that were on the computer were like coming off.
Speaker 1: The computer and going onto the wall.
Speaker 3: And then I tried to go to the bathroom and
Speaker 3: the floor was straight up slanted. My whole inertia was
Speaker 3: just like cock eyed, and I was like, huh, well,
Speaker 3: maybe we should go outside. So we went outside, tried
Speaker 3: to walk. I lived near McCarran Park at the time
Speaker 3: in Brooklyn, and it took forever to get from my
Speaker 3: apartment to the actual park, and I remember looking at
Speaker 3: the trees and they were cartoons and they were like
Speaker 3: moving inward and towards me.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't scared. I was just kind of like.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's what you've always been, this is your true essence.
Speaker 3: I never actually like knew that this is what you
Speaker 3: could be. And kind of still, even though that was
Speaker 3: years and years ago, I still look at trees and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I know what you really are.
Speaker 1: I know your secret.
Speaker 3: You look all serious and stiff right now, but I
Speaker 3: know I know what you really are.
Speaker 1: I definitely think that there's people that do a lot
Speaker 1: of hallucinogens and stuff, and that's kind of their belief.
Speaker 1: It's like the world how we see it, But then
Speaker 1: when I take the drugs, then we see what's actually
Speaker 1: happening always twenty four to seven. Yeah, But like do
Speaker 1: you really think that, Like do you think there are
Speaker 1: like cartoons everywhere but we just don't see them until
Speaker 1: you're on drugs.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's something to like.
Speaker 3: It just feel like it's opening up your third eye
Speaker 3: a bit, or like opening up a viewpoint that you're
Speaker 3: maybe closed off to in your normal, everyday, run of
Speaker 3: the mill life. Because I do think like our brains
Speaker 3: visualize things in a way that is digestible for us,
Speaker 3: but I think that the things that we see and
Speaker 3: experience probably do have some other things that we aren't
Speaker 3: able to see because we've been trained to see it
Speaker 3: this way, Like this glass looks like this glass because
Speaker 3: that's what I have learned this glass looks like. But
Speaker 3: I think it can probably be a different version. I
Speaker 3: feel like I sound so trippy right now.
Speaker 1: Now, this is where we do this is this podcast, Okay,
Speaker 1: get but also it kind of makes me feel like
Speaker 1: the dem Men multiverse kind of thing where it's like,
Speaker 1: is there another version that exists?
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I'm into.
Speaker 1: And sometimes we get these little blips of that we
Speaker 1: get like a little little taste of it, and then
Speaker 1: that's when people are like I saw a ghost or
Speaker 1: an alien or a whatever.
Speaker 2: Totally and there's like science behind it.
Speaker 3: There's like little things occasionally opop up in the news
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, there's.
Speaker 2: Like maybe a portal here on like one of the polls.
Speaker 3: Like there's maybe like a peek into another dimension, or
Speaker 3: like our dimensions are not so far away as we thought.
Speaker 2: I think there is uh stuff that.
Speaker 3: We can't see normally, and not the drugs are necessarily
Speaker 3: the way to see it, but I think there's something
Speaker 3: to like making your mind a little more uninhibited that
Speaker 3: helps you be able to see those kinds of things.
Speaker 2: It's funny. My friend Nicole Bayer, who has done.
Speaker 1: The show better on the show, Yeah, yeah, lover.
Speaker 3: The mushroom story I'm talking about in Brooklyn, she met
Speaker 3: me and my friends in the park. She was fully so,
Speaker 3: but she's a person who can match that energy. So
Speaker 3: it felt like we were all on drugs and she
Speaker 3: would point things out and be like like it was
Speaker 3: like a bunch of dogs being walked in front of us,
Speaker 3: and she was like a dog parade and.
Speaker 2: We were like a dog parade.
Speaker 3: She is the best person to have around when you're
Speaker 3: on drugs. And then when she walked up towards us
Speaker 3: on the bench, we were all like a mermaid because
Speaker 3: her hair was like flowing in the wind, and for
Speaker 3: some reason, mermaid was the first thing that we thought.
Speaker 3: We were like, you just look like a mermaid, and
Speaker 3: she's like, oh my God, thank you.
Speaker 1: So when you were growing up, did you have any
Speaker 1: beliefs that were you know, from your family, or you know,
Speaker 1: anything cultural or religious or anything that would make you
Speaker 1: believe in ghosts or any thoughts on that at all.
Speaker 3: I was raised very Christian Baptist m so my mom
Speaker 3: was not down with talking about like paranormal stuff or
Speaker 3: things of that nature. She wouldn't let me read Harry
Speaker 3: Potter because it involved witchcraft in the Devil's Work. But
Speaker 3: I do remember when I was in college, I came
Speaker 3: home to visit my mom and I was staying in
Speaker 3: my childhood bedroom and I was sleeping and I heard
Speaker 3: like like a scratch or like a scramble on the
Speaker 3: headboard above me, and then like a brush across my face,
Speaker 3: and I was like, WHOA, what was that? And I
Speaker 3: turned on the light and there was this huge spider
Speaker 3: across the room on the wall, like as big as
Speaker 3: my hand, and I was like, oh, that's I don't
Speaker 3: want that, and so I snuck past it went to
Speaker 3: my mom's room. I was like, there's a huge spider.
Speaker 3: Please help. She's from the south, like grew up on
Speaker 3: a farm. So she just like got paper towels and
Speaker 3: like slammed against the wall and like flushed it down
Speaker 3: the toilet. And I was still freaking out, And I
Speaker 3: was like, what was the thing that brushed my face?
Speaker 3: Do you think this spider crawled on my face and
Speaker 3: then flew across the room, which also like was it
Speaker 3: heavy stepping on the headboard? Like the sound didn't make sense.
Speaker 3: The brush across the face didn't make sense, and spiders
Speaker 3: don't fly like that, so what happened? And my mom
Speaker 3: was like, you know, it was probably an angel's wing
Speaker 3: brushing you awake to warn you about danger. And I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I would much rather believe
Speaker 3: than an angel woke me up and this hand sized
Speaker 3: spider crawled across my face and flew, So that is
Speaker 3: what I'm believing. So I guess my mom in a
Speaker 3: way does believe in angels or believes in something spiritual
Speaker 3: like that, which I don't feel like it's too different.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. I feel like angels are like ghosts
Speaker 1: that God like hires, like they're yeah, they're appointed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ghosts totally, you know, the Holy spirit, the Holy ghost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's the same thing. It's just maybe they weren't
Speaker 1: some pan sexual that died and now you know starts
Speaker 1: in the sitcop. Yeah, I don't know where they came from,
Speaker 1: but I Bill, I think that's possible, iltely believe in that.
Speaker 1: It does make me think about that statistic about how
Speaker 1: we swallow a certain amount of spiders in our sleep.
Speaker 3: Which is actually a think statistic. I think it's like
Speaker 3: eight spiders a year or something like that. But then
Speaker 3: I was googling about that because I was like, is
Speaker 3: that true?
Speaker 1: And it's not.
Speaker 3: That rumor was actually an experiment to see how fast
Speaker 3: rumors can spread, So someone just made that statistic up.
Speaker 3: It's not like our esophagus doesn't work when we're sleeping.
Speaker 3: Like if a spider did try to crawl down our throats,
Speaker 3: we would stop it, we would choke, we would like
Speaker 3: throw it up or whatever. It wouldn't just like easily
Speaker 3: crawl down the tunnel of our throats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like the magic school bus. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna go down there with ease. Yeah, because I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about your story, like the angels like tapping tap
Speaker 1: and tapping, like come on, Yeah, there's a spider and
Speaker 1: then you're still sleeping and that's like all right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get the wing out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's trying multiple things, like, oh, I guess you
Speaker 3: didn't hear the thing. I use all my energy to
Speaker 3: tap in a file to slap her with my wings.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you about story I researched. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: called the Dover demon Ooh you ever hear of it?
Speaker 2: No, I have not.
Speaker 1: It's a Massachusetts kind of urban legend cryptid creature. Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that phenomena of like a bigfoot? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Now lockness.
Speaker 3: I mean, there are like so many creatures that like
Speaker 3: show up every few years where it's like I guess, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's so many things I don't know, especially when it
Speaker 3: comes to the ocean. There's always a new yucky ocean
Speaker 3: alien thing that they're like, I guess this exists.
Speaker 1: I know, So I'm like, yeah, of course.
Speaker 3: I'm sure someone saw thought it was like a monster
Speaker 3: and called it the Lockness Monster, or like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a huge monkey looking thing in the
Speaker 3: woods and they're like, I guess it's bigfoot, Like I'm sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: I believe it.
Speaker 1: I think what's so fun about those is that, if
Speaker 1: that is true, something about these creatures are like, but
Speaker 1: I don't want you to see me, Like they hide,
Speaker 1: they don't want to be seen. They're so so demure.
Speaker 1: There's like something about them where they're like i'll give
Speaker 1: you a peek, I'll give you a taste, but not
Speaker 1: a swallow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They're not like deer that are everywhere. They're just like,
Speaker 3: oh oh, I don't want you to really look at.
Speaker 1: Me, publicity whore. Those deers thirsty.
Speaker 3: So thirsty, they're like, please, I'll be in the road.
Speaker 3: I'll be anywhere you want me to be.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking for work. Okay. Well, the Dover Demon
Speaker 1: made such a big splash because it was in Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: like not too far away from Boston, in Dover, Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like they pretty much know what's
Speaker 1: on land around there. And then one day this creature
Speaker 1: apparently shows up. Most of the research I got is
Speaker 1: from WBSM dot com, which is the website of fourteen
Speaker 1: twenty WBSM New Bedford's news talk station. So nineteen seventy seven,
Speaker 1: there's a seventeen year old boy named Bill Bartlett and
Speaker 1: he's driving in his Volkswagen with two of his friends
Speaker 1: around ten thirty pm when he notices a strange creature
Speaker 1: with his headlights. He says he wasn't sure if it
Speaker 1: was a dog or a cat at first. It was
Speaker 1: on all fours and it was grasping a rock with
Speaker 1: like hands. He said it had strange little feets with
Speaker 1: long fingers, two large eyes that were glowing like orange marbles,
Speaker 1: and a round head that was shaped like the rest
Speaker 1: of its body. He said it was peach colored and
Speaker 1: it had skin like a shark.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: He said the sighting only lasted about seven to eight seconds,
Speaker 1: but his two friends didn't see anything. Then two hours later,
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old named John Baxter was walking home
Speaker 1: from his girlfriend's house and he's feeling good. It's twelve
Speaker 1: thirty coming home for his curfew. He sees what looks
Speaker 1: like a person with a big head standing upright on
Speaker 1: two feet and he knew a neighbor kid that had
Speaker 1: a larger than average head, and he thought it was him,
Speaker 1: so he said, is that you? And then the thing
Speaker 1: ran off and then it leaned up against a tree.
Speaker 1: And then this girl the next night, fifteen year old.
Speaker 1: I don't know why only teenagers are seeing this interesting. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she was driving with her boyfriend and she saw what
Speaker 1: she described as a hairless monkey in the area. It
Speaker 1: didn't have a tail, it was on all fours, and
Speaker 1: it had a face that had no features other than
Speaker 1: some big old eyes. And the thing is, these three kids,
Speaker 1: apparently if they knew each other, they didn't know each
Speaker 1: other super well. It's believed that they never talk to
Speaker 1: each other about this. Yeah, and crazy thing is it's
Speaker 1: never been seen again.
Speaker 2: WHOA.
Speaker 1: Some people think that it was a baby moose or
Speaker 1: a baby horse, or even a big giant owl or
Speaker 1: a dog with mange. So that's the dover demon.
Speaker 3: But it can't be like well I guess it, not
Speaker 3: that it can't be, but like a moose and a dog. Well,
Speaker 3: I guess a dog can be on its high legs.
Speaker 3: But the part about it's standing on two legs doesn't
Speaker 3: seem like animal like.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen it. There's a dog I follow.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you see this dog, but there's
Speaker 1: this dog that's so cute and it like sits in
Speaker 1: a chair like a human. I've seen videos like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know it could just be an unusual Yeah,
Speaker 1: because here's the thing. Also, animals are so rude to
Speaker 1: each other sometimes. If you're that Disney character in the
Speaker 1: family where you're a little baby moose that can walk
Speaker 1: on two legs and you don't have any hair and
Speaker 1: you don't have any horns, the family's gonna be like
Speaker 1: you're weird. Get away, Yeah, and then it's just like
Speaker 1: crawling on its own looking for food and friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the moose is just on it. It's like this
Speaker 3: is the first act of this moos's journey. Eventually they'll
Speaker 3: find their horns and then she becomes famous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are still talking about her. It's like fifty
Speaker 1: years later. Anyway, Hey, can I show you a haunted
Speaker 1: eBay doll?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 1: It's time for the dolls are living. Okay, So here's
Speaker 1: what I do. I go to eBay and I type
Speaker 1: in the words haunted doll, and to many people's surprise,
Speaker 1: there are thousands of listings every day. This one I
Speaker 1: have found is named Bethina. Jiha. Could you show us
Speaker 1: Bethina please? Oh boy. Bethina is going for fifty dollars,
Speaker 1: which is i'd say an average price for a haunted doll. Okay,
Speaker 1: she is kind of a baby doll, got on a
Speaker 1: kind of a cute dress, velvet red. Something that sticks
Speaker 1: out to me about Bethina's head is that the sides
Speaker 1: of it, it's like she has like a ridge around
Speaker 1: her head. Yeah, it's like a hammerhead shark. It feels
Speaker 1: like an empanada or something like or like a pot
Speaker 1: sticker you know, they like pinch it together around the corner.
Speaker 1: It's like it feels, yeah, she's got a potsticker head.
Speaker 3: Which, yeah, it feels like there's no division between the
Speaker 3: ears in the head.
Speaker 2: It's all smooth into a point.
Speaker 1: She looks sweet, you know, she does look sweet. Looks
Speaker 1: like a sweet, young baby doll, which is deceiving. Don't
Speaker 1: be fooled. Yeah, which Bethina no offense to anyone if
Speaker 1: you're listening, and that's your name, but it's not the
Speaker 1: cutest name I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, it does sound like a haunted name.
Speaker 3: It really sounds like, of course, Bethina is a haunted doll.
Speaker 1: Well, these all come with biographies. Oh, this one's kind
Speaker 1: of long, but I'll give you some of the highlights.
Speaker 1: It says, meet Bethina. This doll is unlike any other
Speaker 1: haunted item you may come across in your lifetime. No,
Speaker 1: this is not your run of the mill's spiritual encounter.
Speaker 1: Bethina is a whole other level of creepiness. From the
Speaker 1: moment this doll entered my life, I have felt an
Speaker 1: overwhelming sense of terror and unease. Strange occurrences have plagued
Speaker 1: my home, from unexplained voices whispering in the dead of
Speaker 1: night to objects moving on their own accord. And I
Speaker 1: swear I have seen the eyes of Bethina follow me
Speaker 1: as I move about the room. I fear for my
Speaker 1: mental and emotional wellbeing, and I can no longer keep
Speaker 1: Bethina in my home. They go on to blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: They've did some like sessions to try to talk to her.
Speaker 1: It turns out she is very negative. In the night,
Speaker 1: I have heard horrid groans and whispers coming from her,
Speaker 1: as if she's speaking in reverse. No, like the words
Speaker 1: are reverberating through the air and back into wherever they
Speaker 1: came from. They do warn potential buyers that this doll
Speaker 1: has been known to scratch wood surfaces. Hell no, oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm getting my deposit back. On more than one occasion,
Speaker 1: I have found deep, deliberate scratch marks in my furniture.
Speaker 1: Hell no, oh no. And I have no doubt that
Speaker 1: Bethina is the culprit. Wow, that's a lot of activity
Speaker 1: from this doll. Yeah, and I'm like, often I feel
Speaker 1: when these dolls sound like true nightmares. Just give it
Speaker 1: to a thrift store or burn it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Why are you saying I need fifty bucks for this? Oh?
Speaker 3: Interesting, I guess because there are people who want that,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: But you're also being like, just so you know, it's horrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very negative and it will ruin your furniture.
Speaker 3: But maybe if they just gave it away to goodwill,
Speaker 3: they feel like irresponsible because some unknowing person is just
Speaker 3: gonna pick it up and take it home and now'
Speaker 3: have like moans and groans when they're trying to go
Speaker 3: to sleep and scratch up furniture.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing is it could be maybe this
Speaker 1: doll just doesn't like you. Haha. Maybe this doll doesn't
Speaker 1: like your furniture.
Speaker 3: I thought that was an interesting point when they were like,
Speaker 3: we tried to talk to her, and she's very negative.
Speaker 2: She has a bad attitude.
Speaker 1: What uugh what I hate this chair? It is ugly.
Speaker 1: Well that's Pathena. Wow.
Speaker 3: Have you met or talked to people who actively seek
Speaker 3: out these dolls, like, who actively buy these dolls?
Speaker 2: I do know one person.
Speaker 3: I don't know her well, but she does buy haunted
Speaker 3: dolls to keep in her home.
Speaker 1: Tell me about this.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like if anything's happened, but I think
Speaker 3: there's like some sort of like hunt or like this
Speaker 3: like collector's urge to get to get multiple haunted dolls.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it's almost like having a pet or something.
Speaker 1: I think, just.
Speaker 2: A little more finicky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it could be. Some of them sound great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I read a lot of these bios and
Speaker 1: I get tempted sometimes. I'm like, that sounds like my
Speaker 1: kind of person. They sound fun. We like the same
Speaker 1: kind of things. But I know a few people that
Speaker 1: are into this kind of a thing, and it's usually
Speaker 1: I will say eBay. It's one of these things like
Speaker 1: I don't know, certain dating apps that seem like they're
Speaker 1: for hookups or whatever. And sometimes I'll talk to people
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, I don't go on that. Everyone
Speaker 1: on there they just want this or that, And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't know that. If you're going to be
Speaker 1: on there, maybe somebody like with the same mindset as
Speaker 1: you could be on there, like you just never know.
Speaker 1: M And I feel that way about eBay sometimes, where
Speaker 1: it's like it has a bad reputation because I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of just like garbage people make up,
Speaker 1: fake ghost stories whatever. Yeah, but I think there could
Speaker 1: be some good ones on there. I think there's some
Speaker 1: gems you never know what you're gonna get. But most
Speaker 1: of the people I know that have these kinds of things,
Speaker 1: it's usually more from like someone had it and gave
Speaker 1: it to that someone reached out because they knew these
Speaker 1: people were into it, or you know, yeah, that's sort
Speaker 1: of a thing.
Speaker 3: Actually, another time I was in New Orleans, I was
Speaker 3: with a friend. We went to a voodoo priestess shop
Speaker 3: and she helped us make voodoo dolls. It was just
Speaker 3: for like kicks right, but I wish before we made
Speaker 3: it she explained what she explained to us after we
Speaker 3: made it, oh, which is, these voodoo dolls are in
Speaker 3: your likeness, so you do have to take care of them.
Speaker 3: If you don't take care of them, it's like you're
Speaker 3: not taking care of yourself. And if you don't want
Speaker 3: that responsibility, you can't just throw them away or destroy
Speaker 3: them because that will also affect your life. You have
Speaker 3: to like ceremoniously dismember them or something, which she did
Speaker 3: not explain.
Speaker 1: And that is five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and she's like, thank you so much for coming,
Speaker 3: please recommend me. So we had these dolls, and I
Speaker 3: had both of them for some reason when we left
Speaker 3: New Orleans, and I just like had them in a
Speaker 3: plastic bag in the corner of my room, like not
Speaker 3: thinking about it.
Speaker 2: And months went by.
Speaker 3: It's not like a lot of terrible things happened to me,
Speaker 3: but just like I just didn't feel good. Life didn't
Speaker 3: feel like fun. And I remember talking to my friend
Speaker 3: being like, how do you feel. She's like kind of shitty, actually,
Speaker 3: like I feel like trash. And I was like, do
Speaker 3: you think our voodoo dolls have anything? To do with
Speaker 3: this since they're literally in the plastic bag being treated
Speaker 3: like trash, and so I took them out of there,
Speaker 3: and then I googled what to do with these voodoo
Speaker 3: dolls if you don't want to like take care of them,
Speaker 3: because like also the priestess was like, you have to
Speaker 3: water them, you have to like give them good affirmations.
Speaker 3: And sometimes the action you do to the voodoo doll
Speaker 3: correlates with what you want in your life. So it's like,
Speaker 3: if you want more money, you would put a penny
Speaker 3: in its stomach or something, okay, Or if you want
Speaker 3: more love or something, you would like put a flower
Speaker 3: in the heart space, or if you need help with
Speaker 3: like speaking or something, you would like do something with
Speaker 3: its mouth.
Speaker 2: It was all like your body correlating with this doll.
Speaker 3: So I was googling what to do with these dolls
Speaker 3: if you don't want to actively take care of them,
Speaker 3: and someone was like, wrap them up in a white
Speaker 3: towel and put sea salt on them just so they
Speaker 3: could be dormant and chill out for a minute. So
Speaker 3: I did that and like gently put them in a towel,
Speaker 3: put salt in them, put them in a drawer, and
Speaker 3: then someone else was like, yeah, I didn't do anything
Speaker 3: with my doll, and I got fired.
Speaker 1: It ruined my marriage.
Speaker 3: Like they like talked about how it just destroyed everything
Speaker 3: in their life, and they tried to send the doll
Speaker 3: back to the shop, but they weren't allowed to, and
Speaker 3: so then they did ask how to dismember it, and
Speaker 3: they like had to go to the woods and involved
Speaker 3: like submerging it in a creek and like taking it,
Speaker 3: taking it apart one by one. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't have time for that right now, but I
Speaker 3: will just leave it in a towel. And then when
Speaker 3: I saw my friend again, I gave her her doll
Speaker 3: because I was like, I don't want to be responsible
Speaker 3: for your life. And then yeah, and then I kept
Speaker 3: my doll and then I just I just took it
Speaker 3: out and like put it like in a very visible space.
Speaker 3: And also it's ugly. It's just like twigs bundled together
Speaker 3: and like felt pieces and button eyes. Like it looked
Speaker 3: scary and weird. It's not an attractive thing to have
Speaker 3: out for people to see. But I was like, she
Speaker 3: needs to be seen. She's angry. And then there was
Speaker 3: a moment where I was house hunting for a house
Speaker 3: in LA and I was like talking to all my
Speaker 3: witchy friends. I was like, please burn candles, do what
Speaker 3: you gotta do to help me get a house. And
Speaker 3: I found the house that I wanted, but like everyone
Speaker 3: else else wanted that house, like there was sixteen bids
Speaker 3: up for it, and I got the voodoo doll. And
Speaker 3: I was like, look, I didn't want to bother you,
Speaker 3: but I really want this house. If you have any pull,
Speaker 3: if there's any energy you have, please help me, help
Speaker 3: the universe get me this house. And I did get
Speaker 3: the house. So now this voodoo doll lives in an
Speaker 3: altar next to the door.
Speaker 1: Good. She deserved it.
Speaker 3: She deserves it. She has a comfy couch to sit on.
Speaker 3: It's like a tiny little felt couch.
Speaker 1: Stop. Yes, because I was.
Speaker 3: Like, you know what, I don't know if you helped
Speaker 3: or if there's other factors, but I did use you.
Speaker 3: I did actually ask for your help, and I have
Speaker 3: the house. So I'm gonna choose to believe that you
Speaker 3: had something to do with this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let her believe that too. Yes, I thought
Speaker 1: you were gonna say that you like went to like
Speaker 1: an open house and like hit her brought hit her
Speaker 1: in there because then she's in the house and.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, you know, and she's like, my owner has
Speaker 2: to come with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. So I mean I think that you should
Speaker 1: just keep taking good care of that thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Occasional, I'll just like thank her for things.
Speaker 1: I would be given a massages, you know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: should be giving her more staff, more water. Can I
Speaker 1: play you some ghost voices? Yeah, okay, it's time for
Speaker 1: EVP or ev pase. Have you ever heard the term EVP.
Speaker 2: No, I haven't.
Speaker 1: It stands for electronic voice phenomenal. Okay. It's basically like
Speaker 1: in ghost hunting, when people believe they've captured a ghost speaking,
Speaker 1: it could be any kind of audio recording, and people
Speaker 1: not unlike eBay, they go on YouTube, TikTok wherever, and
Speaker 1: they go, look at, guys, I have captured a ghost speaking.
Speaker 1: So I have found two examples of that, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to play them for you, and I would love
Speaker 1: if you could tell me what you hear. Then I'll
Speaker 1: give you a couple of options, the correct answer being
Speaker 1: what the ghost hunter believes the ghost is saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this first one was posted by STD Paranormal, New Jersey.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that stands for, but that is
Speaker 1: what their name is. And they recorded this in Clifton,
Speaker 1: New Jersey. What is this ghost saying? Oh, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. Not the best one I've ever heard. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know what was happening.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, wait, let me do it again. I can
Speaker 1: hear a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a difference between the static and something, but
Speaker 3: I can't really make out words.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you some options.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Was it A I need protection? Was it B I
Speaker 1: don't want to be a ghost? Was it C I'm
Speaker 1: right next to you? Or d oh oh oh Riley Okay,
Speaker 1: it's one of those. Let me play it again.
Speaker 2: Really feels like O'Riley.
Speaker 1: They believe it is a I need protection.
Speaker 2: Well, of course STD ghosts whatever would say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, standing next to that person, they probably do need protection.
Speaker 1: Wait, okay, now that we know that, let's listen again.
Speaker 2: Oh I do hear it now.
Speaker 1: I feel like I could trick my brain, yes into
Speaker 1: thinking that. But could I pull that out of thin air? No? No, STD,
Speaker 1: You've been tested and it did not go well. Okay.
Speaker 1: This next one is from Mia paranormal Okay, they love
Speaker 1: three letters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's huge.
Speaker 1: In the paranormal world. Or this might be Mia the
Speaker 1: recording artist. This was recorded at Stonewall Jail in what
Speaker 1: I believe to be Stonewall, Ontario, Canada. Okay, what is
Speaker 1: it saying? Now that one? I feel like I can
Speaker 1: actually hear a voice. Yeah, definitely, we played again, No, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me do it again. Hm hmmm, an he guesses.
Speaker 2: I feel like saying where is it? Or something? M?
Speaker 2: Do they lose something? Someone?
Speaker 1: Okay? Do they think it was a relevant? B? We're
Speaker 1: not kids? C what is it? Or d redder lip?
Speaker 1: Like you use a redder lip like I like your makeup,
Speaker 1: but but.
Speaker 2: Just a little a little more.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's one of those. Let me play it again.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say what is it?
Speaker 3: Because I already did think it was like asking a
Speaker 3: question like where is it?
Speaker 2: Or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what is it? Yeah? That's what they think.
Speaker 1: I can kind of hear it. What is it?
Speaker 2: Are they being bothered or like?
Speaker 1: What is it? What is it? I'm a guy? What
Speaker 1: is it? Yeah? Let's do one last thing. I just
Speaker 1: want to hear some more of your thoughts. I'll just
Speaker 1: list off a bunch of supernatural paranormal phenomena and maybe
Speaker 1: you got a thought about it or maybe a story.
Speaker 1: You never know what comes up. Okay, what about psychics?
Speaker 1: Where are you at on that I'm into them?
Speaker 2: I actually just spoke to a psychic days ago.
Speaker 1: Stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a animal communicator.
Speaker 3: Oh, because my current partner had to put her cat down,
Speaker 3: which is very sad.
Speaker 2: Oh, but before he was.
Speaker 3: Moving on, we wanted to speak to him and get
Speaker 3: his thoughts, see if he knows what's happening. And the
Speaker 3: communicator was really good and had very little information from us.
Speaker 3: We didn't say like really much at all, or like
Speaker 3: what was happening with a cat or anything. And she
Speaker 3: was like, yes, the cat is aware that like this
Speaker 3: is the last day and feels like very tired and
Speaker 3: ready and feels like he's had a really good life.
Speaker 3: He's lived a lot of life in the fourteen years
Speaker 3: he's been on this earth and hasn't liked everybody, but
Speaker 3: really likes his owner. And then he mentioned me, which
Speaker 3: is so sweet, as I was like, I don't this
Speaker 3: is not my cat. I've been around for a little bit,
Speaker 3: but that like is not my cat, so I wasn't
Speaker 3: expecting to get a shout out, but I did, and
Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, I really like you and I
Speaker 3: consider you family and we have a deep friendship.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I was so sweet.
Speaker 3: And then the cat was like kind of like really
Speaker 3: sassy actually, And my partner was like, how do you
Speaker 3: feel about the dogs in the house, like your brothers,
Speaker 3: your the other dogs in your space?
Speaker 2: And he was like, I didn't think we needed them.
Speaker 3: I have some notes, Yeah they are allowed, and I
Speaker 3: really don't feel like I needed to be around them.
Speaker 3: And we were like, but like you enjoyed them, right,
Speaker 3: He's like, no comment, Like I was enough for three animals,
Speaker 3: My energy was enough for three pets.
Speaker 2: You really didn't need to have other pets in here.
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, this is my last day here. I
Speaker 1: don't need to start a bunch of drama. But let
Speaker 1: me just say they were not for me. No, not needed.
Speaker 3: But I guess they were fine if you wanted them,
Speaker 3: but I didn't need them.
Speaker 1: Where did you find this person, like from a recommendation
Speaker 1: or did you guys just say yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: One of my close friends uses a pet communicator regularly
Speaker 3: because she fosters dogs, and so she wants to know
Speaker 3: like what they went through and then what will make
Speaker 3: them comfortable and how are they getting along with the
Speaker 3: other dogs in the house. So she recommended this communicator,
Speaker 3: and yeah, she was really good.
Speaker 1: Have you been to human communicator psychics?
Speaker 2: I haven't yet. I mean, I guess I have been
Speaker 2: to a psychic.
Speaker 3: I guess I haven't been to like a medium or
Speaker 3: someone who can speak to a person, But yeah, I
Speaker 3: have been to a psychic. Actually, in New Orleans, there's
Speaker 3: this like named Philip who I see every time I
Speaker 3: go through there. I feel like every couple of years
Speaker 3: I see him and he's just like my uncle where
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, I did this, and he's like I.
Speaker 1: Know, Like he's like I knew that already. Yep, He's
Speaker 1: like I did know that already. Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 3: The first time I saw him, he did like a
Speaker 3: palm reading and then a tario reading and kind of
Speaker 3: like predicted like my three month journey six months and
Speaker 3: then nine months, and he wrote it on a piece
Speaker 3: of paper and I took it and put it away somewhere,
Speaker 3: and then I think like a year later, looked back
Speaker 3: at it, and was like, oh wait, all these things
Speaker 3: happened and I can't remember all of them, but I
Speaker 3: know what one for sure. He was like, in six months,
Speaker 3: you will leave a father figure, or like you'll disconnect
Speaker 3: from a father figure. And I was like, I wonder
Speaker 3: what that means, because like my dad and I were
Speaker 3: not like close.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I don't think I'm going to
Speaker 2: cut him off.
Speaker 3: But I did fire my first manager within that time,
Speaker 3: who I had for like four years, and he was
Speaker 3: an older man and not that he was my father,
Speaker 3: but like he was like one of the first people
Speaker 3: in the business to be like you, like I'm gonna
Speaker 3: help you, and you're I think you're talented.
Speaker 2: And he did help me.
Speaker 3: But then there came a time where I felt like
Speaker 3: I needed to move on to someone else, and uh yeah.
Speaker 3: It was very interesting to be like, oh wow, that's
Speaker 3: what he meant, and that.
Speaker 1: Was like dead on damn. Yeah, he's very good at
Speaker 1: that stuff. This was a hearty answer. I thought I
Speaker 1: was just gonna get like, yeah, I believe in psychics.
Speaker 1: That was great, this is this is what we crave
Speaker 1: around here. Okay, I'll just ask like two more then,
Speaker 1: what do you think about UFOs.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think they're definitely real, so does NASA,
Speaker 3: so does the Air Force.
Speaker 1: But do you think that they're aliens? Like, do you
Speaker 1: think that they are humanoid creatures?
Speaker 3: I don't know they're humanoid, but I do believe in aliens. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: cause it's kind of silly to think that we are
Speaker 3: the only things that exist in this universe. Like, of
Speaker 3: course there's other beings and other planets that are existing
Speaker 3: and probably have been here and might be here right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did a UFO tour in Sedona, because of course
Speaker 3: that's what you do.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, here we go. We got more. I
Speaker 1: did that too. Yeah, was it with one lady?
Speaker 2: It was with one lady. I can't remember her name exactly.
Speaker 1: This might have been the same one I went on.
Speaker 3: Probably we went to like this parking lot and then
Speaker 3: like looked at the mountaintops.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have talked about this on the show before,
Speaker 1: and I've never talked to anyone that has been to
Speaker 1: this woman. Did she say that she's been abducted many times? Yes,
Speaker 1: I can't believe we have this in comment. Okay, tell
Speaker 1: me about your experience.
Speaker 2: Well, she gave us this, like really intense.
Speaker 1: Very expensive. Yeah, like night vision binoculars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and was explaining like this is what you look
Speaker 3: for if if you see a plane, that's what that is,
Speaker 3: or like the blinking lights probably a satellite or something,
Speaker 3: and then anything else moving in the sky is unidentified,
Speaker 3: it's a UFO. And there was tons, tons of them, Yeah,
Speaker 3: just flying all over the sky and then landing on
Speaker 3: this one mountain side. And she was like, yeah, sometimes
Speaker 3: they just like all land over there just to like
Speaker 3: commune and like hang out, check out what's going on
Speaker 3: in town. And I was like, I guess they're having
Speaker 3: an active night. There's like a lot of them just
Speaker 3: like hanging out over there on that mountain. It wasn't
Speaker 3: even just her. We ran into so many people who
Speaker 3: were like, oh, yeah, aliens, come here.
Speaker 2: I have been abducted. That's what happens here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like really active. When I went yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to say that woman is like I don't know
Speaker 1: if she says you'll see a UFO or your money back,
Speaker 1: but she's very confident that you will see UFOs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about what's up there. So I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this lady says it that it is, and I saw things.
Speaker 1: I didn't see any of them like landing on a mountain,
Speaker 1: but I saw them like start and stop and like
Speaker 1: go in different directions and like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like one of my friends is like telling me, now,
Speaker 1: there's absolutely no way that's some like Elon Musk situation
Speaker 1: up there and it's not like an actual UFO. Yeah,
Speaker 1: satellites and whatever. But then the lady told me that
Speaker 1: she would come on my podcast, and I called her,
Speaker 1: I texted her, I emailed her, and I'm convinced that
Speaker 1: she is up there. They took her and she is
Speaker 1: good to go. She's like, this is what I wanted
Speaker 1: the whole time.
Speaker 3: I feel like she, of all people, would be so
Speaker 3: excited to tell her story and everything she's learned about UFOs.
Speaker 3: So if she's not returning your calls, she has but
Speaker 3: taking up there.
Speaker 1: Okay, last one, what do you think of like synchronousities,
Speaker 1: like when things happen in life that are some would
Speaker 1: say a coincidence. Do you think that it's a coincidence?
Speaker 1: Do you read into it?
Speaker 3: I feel like it's like the universe or like things
Speaker 3: that were supposed to happen that way. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: really think things are just like WHOA crazy. I can't
Speaker 3: believe that happened like that. It's like, I think it
Speaker 3: was meant to happen that way, Like there's already there's
Speaker 3: already been a thing decided that this will be how
Speaker 3: this plays out. So I guess fate or something or destiny.
Speaker 3: It feels like those moments don't feel like a coincidence
Speaker 3: to me. It feels like, oh, this is what was written.
Speaker 1: I like that. I agree with you on that. I
Speaker 1: was just thinking, now, listen, you've done a bajillion things
Speaker 1: in your career, but of course around certain I'm alive. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is thirty Rock haunted?
Speaker 3: Oh that's a really good question. I would believe it
Speaker 3: if someone said it was. I have never seen or
Speaker 3: heard any activity that felt like paranormal.
Speaker 1: But it's the old building. It feels like it would
Speaker 1: be haunted. Yeah, it's like it feels like the kind
Speaker 1: of place where people would have stories. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that I've ever heard any I don't.
Speaker 3: Think I have either, But I would not be surprised
Speaker 3: because like so much of it's untouched, so much of
Speaker 3: it's like the same carpet like the same, the same
Speaker 3: windows like.
Speaker 2: It's just like feels like a very storied space.
Speaker 3: So I would not be surprised, but I personally haven't
Speaker 3: experienced anything there.
Speaker 1: Well, Sasure, this has been truly magical. Yes, I did
Speaker 1: not know that you were going to have this many stories.
Speaker 3: Honestly I didn't either, but I feel like I surprised
Speaker 3: myself where I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess I do
Speaker 3: have a lot of thoughts about this or I have
Speaker 3: experienced this.
Speaker 1: It's great. This is an ideal guest situation here. Can
Speaker 1: you tell people where to find you and what you
Speaker 1: got going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all my socials, my Instagram, Twitter is at the
Speaker 3: Sheer Truth, and I have a stand up special that
Speaker 3: I put out. It's on YouTube. It's called The First Woman.
Speaker 3: And if you like magic paranormal stuff, I have a
Speaker 3: whole section about witches.
Speaker 2: In there that's really fun.
Speaker 1: Woo. Yeah, we got a lot of witch listeners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you will love my special. Go watch it.
Speaker 3: And I'm a podcast with a Nicole Buyer called best
Speaker 3: Friends that comes out every Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Well, thanks so much for doing this.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's my pleasure. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Take good care of your voodoo doll.
Speaker 2: I will thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Sashier Zameto. What an episode.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if
Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt Meky bye.
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