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Speaker 1: in Price Jow the Live scot Pay. You know, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. It's
Speaker 1: a behind the scenes Talking Cowboys secret. And we all
Speaker 1: have a ton of fun here and we have a
Speaker 1: little tradition pre show where we talk about we all
Speaker 1: ask Isaiah to get us fired up what he does
Speaker 1: in the morning, and we can't say what his answer is.
Speaker 1: Normally on air, we can't say that. But Isaiah, I
Speaker 1: want you to turn things around and I want you
Speaker 1: to ask me what I did this morning? Can you
Speaker 1: can you do that for me? M I think I
Speaker 1: think I mustered that up. Okay, Kyle, what did you
Speaker 1: do this morning? Well? I woke up with a smile
Speaker 1: on my face. You know why, because the Cowboys gotta
Speaker 1: win yesterday. And not only did they get a win,
Speaker 1: but it gave me an opportunity to go drive down
Speaker 1: the street to my local water Burger and I picked
Speaker 1: up me a fresh bag of forty burger. Because the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys half burger whatever of the Micha McCarthy era
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboy got a forty burger and a
Speaker 1: win forty to thirty nine. They needed every single point,
Speaker 1: but they got it. Wow, what a game yesterday. We're
Speaker 1: talking cowboys and that's exactly what we're gonna do. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk some cowboys. I'm Kyle Yeoman's heck my Harrison,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back and guys, it's been a
Speaker 1: while now, it's been a couple hours to say the least,
Speaker 1: since yesterday's win over the Atlanta Falcons. However, the words still,
Speaker 1: it really seems like there's really not a ton of
Speaker 1: words to describe exactly what happened, because it was that
Speaker 1: wild of a game. Rob, Oh, Yeah, it's wut whatt
Speaker 1: are you? Thirty nine? Are you kidding me? I mean,
Speaker 1: I was trying to go through last night and think
Speaker 1: of the games that I've covered or seen with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys that make you go, what the hell did I
Speaker 1: just see? And I only came up with two. In
Speaker 1: like the last twenty years. You got the Robo game
Speaker 1: in OH seven where he threw five picks at Buffalo
Speaker 1: and they still found a way to win, and you
Speaker 1: got the fifty one forty eight game with Romo and
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning just trading, trading bombs down the field and
Speaker 1: the Broncos pulled out. Other than that, I don't think
Speaker 1: I've seen a Cowboy game quite like that. And man,
Speaker 1: did they need that because we talked about it during
Speaker 1: the week, and I think by the end of the
Speaker 1: week we were all in agreement and that was a
Speaker 1: must win football game for your Dallas Cowboys. And now
Speaker 1: they're one and one going to Seattle. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that later in the week. Em I know you're ready
Speaker 1: to come on, rob let us enjoy this one. Go ahead, Kyle.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna interrupt. I was letting you go. I
Speaker 1: was saying, Heck, I know you're ready to explode. Where
Speaker 1: are you at? I want you that energy from heckm
Speaker 1: Harrison Man, you know already, know already, you know already,
Speaker 1: you know already. Dog, this is crazy, all you Cowboy haters,
Speaker 1: And I know you tuned in. I hate us tune into.
Speaker 1: I know. Second quarter, y'all's ready. Y'all knew the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Monday morning glory. I'm gonna be able
Speaker 1: to hate on the Cowboys. Oh, this is a dumpster five,
Speaker 1: and what do we do the most improbable victory at
Speaker 1: Cowboy history. I know, I know Rob, he has all
Speaker 1: the numbers, and I know Isaiah's gonna puntificate about this victory.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be eloquent ladies and gentlemen. But let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. Man, Mike Gallop boy just so dressed
Speaker 1: the football ceedee lamb, thank you so much. Look, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know y'all trying to play
Speaker 1: it too cool. I don't want to play it cool.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, and Dak Prescott, boy, what about my quarterback?
Speaker 1: I know all of y'all fun. Therefore, just a little second,
Speaker 1: y'all was gonna pile on the Dak Prescott hate. Oh
Speaker 1: but no, what do you do? What do you do? Four? Husband,
Speaker 1: fifty y'ards? Three touch? Come on dog everybody today. If
Speaker 1: y'all not feeling like this, I'm sorry, I'm no, I'm
Speaker 1: not sorry. I said it's your turn. Thought, is you
Speaker 1: finish or is you done? Get me another set. I
Speaker 1: don't write I'm done. He's not done. It's we need
Speaker 1: to get him soundproofing. That's what we need to get.
Speaker 1: I am gonna give a congratulations to all of Cowboy Nation. Um,
Speaker 1: they took care of business. But the question I want
Speaker 1: to pose today, and I know this isn't gonna be received, well, no,
Speaker 1: it's not did the Cowboys win or did the Falcons lose?
Speaker 1: And that's the question I want to ask. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: did everything in their power. They overcame insurmountable uh things
Speaker 1: that they had to overcome. Right, they had four fumbles
Speaker 1: in the first it was at ten minutes I believe
Speaker 1: it was uh, you know, Dak was he gave the
Speaker 1: ball away. You know, Zeke gave it away a couple
Speaker 1: of times, Paula gave it away. I mean, guys, they
Speaker 1: were just giving gifts away. It was dug on Christmas
Speaker 1: right out here in September. And then they you know,
Speaker 1: then they had you know, they had the tackles that
Speaker 1: they had to overcome. Right, that wasn't even a problem
Speaker 1: aside from that first quarter, right McKinley got hurt. That
Speaker 1: was a very key portion of this game. Because had
Speaker 1: McKinley never got hurt, I think that we would have
Speaker 1: had some troubles on that edge because he was bringing
Speaker 1: the fire early on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, remember, and
Speaker 1: he said that that, Hey, I'm just throwing it out there.
Speaker 1: But all in off, regardless of all the things that happened,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had to show up, and they showed up,
Speaker 1: they took care of business. They overcame all the adversity
Speaker 1: that they faced early on, and they got the w
Speaker 1: and that's all that matters at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: There's a whole lot we're gonna feel it in terms
Speaker 1: of the gaps, Kyle, I'm throwing it back to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and throw the gaps. And that was
Speaker 1: a very anchora ish type of report there, Isaiah. Thank
Speaker 1: you for your contributions to the show. But I think
Speaker 1: when it comes to the Cowboys in the win yesterday,
Speaker 1: Isaiah's exactly right. It wasn't one a Cowboys win. It
Speaker 1: was just as much a cow in Atlanta loss because
Speaker 1: there were opportunities left on the table for both sides.
Speaker 1: And the reason it's a memorable win is because of
Speaker 1: the hole that the Cowboys dug themselves in the first
Speaker 1: quarter just not taking care of the football. I mean,
Speaker 1: we saw uncharacteristic type of stuff. Whenever you Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: fumbles twice in a row in a quarter, you know
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a rough day holding onto the football.
Speaker 1: And you saw it later when Dalton Sholtz fumbled. You
Speaker 1: saw it when Tony Pollard fumbled. You had that feeling
Speaker 1: in the first quarter of it being a blow and
Speaker 1: it was at first twenty to nothing at the end
Speaker 1: of the first quarter. Then the Cowboys locked down after that,
Speaker 1: and that's really what we're happy about. It is the
Speaker 1: fact that you saw what this Dallas Cowboys team can be.
Speaker 1: You saw the ceiling that second half. If the Cowboys
Speaker 1: play like that in the second half consistently for the
Speaker 1: rest of the year, you're talking about one of the
Speaker 1: best teams in the NFL, if not the best team
Speaker 1: in the NFL, because of how much they were able
Speaker 1: to stifle Atlanta and then get that offense rolling, which
Speaker 1: is what we've been waiting on. However, there's a lot
Speaker 1: to be desired and there's not that consistency yet. There's
Speaker 1: a long way to go for the Dallas Cowboys to
Speaker 1: hit that mark, and that's why we're filling in these holes.
Speaker 1: But when you look back at yesterday's game, heckmon, you
Speaker 1: kind of look at some of the mistakes that were
Speaker 1: made early on on the offensive side of the football.
Speaker 1: What stood out to you the most, because there were
Speaker 1: plenty to look at early. All right, So I'll calm
Speaker 1: down now, Chris being all right, So it was so many,
Speaker 1: I mean, where do you go? I mean, that was
Speaker 1: so the fumbles the first quarter, like you said, was
Speaker 1: it fumbled twice? It was like, man, am I in
Speaker 1: the parallel universe? What's happening? This doesn't happen? And it
Speaker 1: just look man, there was so much blame to go
Speaker 1: around on both sides of the football. But offensively, we
Speaker 1: just could not get into any rhythm the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Miraculously though, the second third four, I mean, it seemed
Speaker 1: to be that our offense started to get that rhythm,
Speaker 1: the creativity that we've been looking for. Dak was on
Speaker 1: point with a lot of it. Man. There was some
Speaker 1: sporadic throws, but a lot of his throws. Man, he
Speaker 1: was on point. But you're right, Kyle, what an awful
Speaker 1: first quarter of football. Hadn't seen any that bad in
Speaker 1: a very long time. I'm not gonna say they had
Speaker 1: just three turnovers in the first quardet four because anytime
Speaker 1: you go for a fake punt at your own twenty
Speaker 1: nine yard line in the first quarter. That's quite a
Speaker 1: risk right there, and they and they just they teed
Speaker 1: up another field goal for him. They spotted them twenty points.
Speaker 1: And to Heckma's point, like offensively, you know you're missing,
Speaker 1: you're starting two tackles, And it seemed like early on
Speaker 1: they were running their offense how they normally would at
Speaker 1: full strength. Absolutely they didn't. They didn't come out with adjustments.
Speaker 1: And I'll say, guys, I'll be honest with you, I'm
Speaker 1: ready for the K ball Buffalo Bills like nineties offense
Speaker 1: right now with the Dallas count I'm ready. I'm ready
Speaker 1: to get just jack the tempo up and keep it
Speaker 1: that way, and keep it that way, because it was,
Speaker 1: like Heckma said, it wasn't until after they got down
Speaker 1: twenty nothing. They kind of were forced to go up tempo.
Speaker 1: And I swear every time they do it, it seems
Speaker 1: like it works for them. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's because it's in desperation and maybe sometimes defenses are
Speaker 1: kind of playing back, maybe a little prevent but they
Speaker 1: like they, like Heckma said, they got a rhythm after
Speaker 1: that and I think that's that was a huge difference.
Speaker 1: You look at the halftime stats, they were pretty similar
Speaker 1: in total in terms of total yards, first downs. They
Speaker 1: just almost gave the game away in the first first quarter.
Speaker 1: So yeah, to your point, Rob, I mean, just to
Speaker 1: answer this for all the Cowboys and Nason, whenever you go,
Speaker 1: know a huddle, it allows for your team to get
Speaker 1: into rhythm. Right, You're you're in the rhythm. So you
Speaker 1: practice two minute drills all the time during the week
Speaker 1: leading up to the game, and it just puts you
Speaker 1: in this rhythm. Up. Hey, I don't have to think
Speaker 1: that much, right, I could just play ball. So you
Speaker 1: get up, you line up, you run to play, and
Speaker 1: you go you get it right back on there. You
Speaker 1: do the same thing. What happens is when you break
Speaker 1: the huddle and you go line up. Now you're doing
Speaker 1: all these presnap freeds. You're doing all these presnap adjustments,
Speaker 1: and you're having that you're playing this chess game prior
Speaker 1: to the ball being snapped, right, and it really takes
Speaker 1: away from your ability to just to go out there
Speaker 1: and just play ball. So that's why you see this
Speaker 1: temple really kind of pick up and some teams could
Speaker 1: do what the whole game. Some teams doing just in
Speaker 1: two minutes. Some teams throw it in there just as
Speaker 1: a changeup, and obviously the Cowboys it works for them overall.
Speaker 1: As the offense, these guys obviously got out to a
Speaker 1: bass start, and we talked, I know, specifically talked about
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator being one of the biggest threats of
Speaker 1: the game. And I think that whatever it is they
Speaker 1: saw on film in terms of the Cowboys ball security,
Speaker 1: that defensive coordinator made it a point to practice punching
Speaker 1: the ball out during practice leading up to this game,
Speaker 1: because that's all they were doing. They were not concerned
Speaker 1: about securing tackles. If you go back and watch the film,
Speaker 1: these dudes were literally freaking Mike Tyson and this thing
Speaker 1: out of out of Zeke's hands. So those guys were
Speaker 1: just throwing their bows in there like ludicrous, and they
Speaker 1: were getting the ball out and and you know, and
Speaker 1: and there to the defenses. You know, um, well, I know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's not getting on the defense yet. But
Speaker 1: on the off side of the ball, you had somebody
Speaker 1: who showed up in the form of Shultz. Shot showed up.
Speaker 1: He took care of business beyond proud of him. Uh,
Speaker 1: there is. I know there's a lot of speculation in
Speaker 1: terms of whether he and Bill were gonna be able
Speaker 1: to get thee get the job done. He's definitely did
Speaker 1: so kudos off to him. He said, he said, hey,
Speaker 1: I had two drops in the opener and I had
Speaker 1: to do something about it. And we talked about maybe
Speaker 1: man coverage in this game, and he had it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had some one on one opportunities and he took
Speaker 1: advantage of it. And they went to some quick stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, they and maybe they had to, but when
Speaker 1: you got you're missing, you're starting to tackles. They got
Speaker 1: the ball out quicker and it did. It helped him
Speaker 1: get in a little bit of a rhythm going forward.
Speaker 1: Nine receptions a team high for Dalton Schultz, and he
Speaker 1: also had eighty eight yards in his first career touchdown reception.
Speaker 1: It was also the first touchdown that Dak Prescott has
Speaker 1: ever thrown against the Atlanta Falcons, even though he had
Speaker 1: rushed for by the time he threw his first one,
Speaker 1: he had rushed for four touchdowns against the Falcons. He
Speaker 1: finally got one through the air and then added another
Speaker 1: rushing one later on. But I think that's probably one
Speaker 1: of the biggest things that stood out to me was
Speaker 1: not only the play calling shift. And we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the coaching staff and whether or not that it
Speaker 1: was a good coaching job or a bad coaching job
Speaker 1: here in the second segment when we come back, But really,
Speaker 1: when it comes to the tight ends, you don't have
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin. You're worried about that. You're worried about having
Speaker 1: a receiving threat like Blake Jarwin in the middle, and
Speaker 1: you didn't have that, or at least seemingly heading into
Speaker 1: the week, we thought it was gonna be the Blake
Speaker 1: Bell and Dalton Schultz show blocking. It wasn't gonna be
Speaker 1: a ton of involvement in the passing game. That was
Speaker 1: not right. Dalton Schultz stood up. He was in multiple
Speaker 1: big time key plays down the stretch, including the touchdown.
Speaker 1: But whenever it comes to Dalton Shoultz, is that's something
Speaker 1: that he can be consistent in Isaiah moving forward. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I don't know. I mean, he
Speaker 1: definitely he showed up. He showed up yesterday, right um,
Speaker 1: And and that's that's one game that we can credit
Speaker 1: it to. He showed up and he showed out. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, every team presents his own challenges, right, every
Speaker 1: team presents his own challenges. I don't foresee him having
Speaker 1: any issues this coming week against Seattle. I know we're
Speaker 1: not talking about Seattle yet, but you know, Seattle has
Speaker 1: some injuries yesterday that's gonna play into his favor. But
Speaker 1: I think that he'll be okay over these next few weeks.
Speaker 1: But if you face the team that has a really
Speaker 1: good defensive end, that's when that's when things get a
Speaker 1: little bit tricky. Oh man, you're gonna give us our
Speaker 1: twenty four hour rule, Isaiah, You're gonna let us celebrate this,
Speaker 1: all right. So it's a care of business, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, the question Dalton shouts, can definitely do it.
Speaker 1: I was show impressed and so proud of the game
Speaker 1: that he had yesterday, especially with all the dirt that
Speaker 1: was thrown on him after the Rams loss. And also
Speaker 1: Bill Doozer. We had a Billdozer showing on third down. Man,
Speaker 1: he came up big. Both of those guys blocked just
Speaker 1: superior blocking for both of these guys. But man, I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta credit Atlanta's defense for just forgetting about Dalton
Speaker 1: Sholtz and just giving him an opportunity to just running
Speaker 1: those windows. And he did a phenomenal job of finding
Speaker 1: that space and sitting down on that scene. Man, Dalton
Speaker 1: shots man, what an amazing play played for him yesterday.
Speaker 1: But man, I thought he had a I thought he
Speaker 1: had two touchdowns yesterday on that one where Dean Jones
Speaker 1: blew up Dak Prescott and the ball went to Daltons show.
Speaker 1: Dalton shows. I thought he made an athletic move and
Speaker 1: got into the end zone, but they said he was
Speaker 1: stopped at the one yard line. You know, I looked
Speaker 1: at Dave Helman in the press box at one point
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, I'm never I am
Speaker 1: never making a judgment off of training camp practice ever again,
Speaker 1: ever again, because of some of the stuff that we
Speaker 1: saw through two quarters. Maybe I'm like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: not what I saw in practice. But Dalton Schultz had
Speaker 1: a heck of a training camp, and I've been kind
Speaker 1: of waiting for him to have a game like this.
Speaker 1: I thought in the playoff game a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: he did some good things and they drafted him. I
Speaker 1: know it was the fourth round, but they drafted him
Speaker 1: with kind of Jason Witten in mine, like a guy
Speaker 1: that can kind of do it all potentially, And I'm
Speaker 1: with Isaiah, like, you got to see it more than
Speaker 1: one week. But he has the talent and I think
Speaker 1: the overall skill level to be a productive tight end
Speaker 1: in this league. And they, man, they really need him
Speaker 1: to carry it forward. After this game, both Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: and Blake Bell according to Pro Football Focus, where the
Speaker 1: two of the top four graded players on offense and
Speaker 1: in blocking yesterday, and the fact that they also made
Speaker 1: an impact in the receiving game, I think that's something
Speaker 1: that could carry forward and really make you excited if
Speaker 1: you're Cowboys fans, because you've got the weapons. You've got
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb, you've got Michael Gallup, you've got Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: You don't need Dalton Schultz to have nine receptions in
Speaker 1: eighty eight yards. Sure, yesterday to get to the forty burger,
Speaker 1: you did need that. But you need them to be
Speaker 1: great blockers. You need them to be efficient on offense,
Speaker 1: and they were that yesterday, and I think that's the
Speaker 1: most impressive thing for me moving forward. But we'll be
Speaker 1: right back here with talking Cowboys when we return. Was
Speaker 1: this a bad coaching job for Mike McCarthy and where
Speaker 1: do they improve heading into week three? We'll come back
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Speaker 1: just do bad. Talking Cowboys. It is a Victory Monday
Speaker 1: edition of Talking Cowboys, and we're having a ton of
Speaker 1: fun breaking down the forty to thirty nine Cowboys win
Speaker 1: over the Atlanta Falcons, they get back to five hundred
Speaker 1: at one and one. Glad you're with us here on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com. And guys, when it comes to
Speaker 1: yesterday's game, sure there's excitement and we're having fun, and
Speaker 1: there's forty burgers flying around the table. We all took
Speaker 1: a collective bite out of our forty burger, and sure
Speaker 1: it takes great twenty four hours right after that win,
Speaker 1: and it takes just as good as it did off
Speaker 1: fresh off the stove. However, we've got to break this
Speaker 1: down because there were things left on the table for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys yesterday. And I want to I want
Speaker 1: to pose a question to you. And I've watched it
Speaker 1: the game back twice. Now I need to watch it
Speaker 1: more because I haven't really come up with a great discussion.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's just because it is fifty fifty, but
Speaker 1: was this a good coaching job for Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 1: his staff or was this a poor coaching job by
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and his staff that ultimately ended up in
Speaker 1: the Cowboys just making the plays they needed to do
Speaker 1: from a players standpoint down the stretch and Rob I
Speaker 1: know you probably have a good beat on this, so
Speaker 1: we'll start with you which one is a good or bad?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can say it's bad. I
Speaker 1: mean when you when you fall back that that quickly,
Speaker 1: I mean, when you dig that deep a hole. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's all on the coaches. I mean
Speaker 1: some of that is on players not making plays. I
Speaker 1: think you definitely can question, like I mentioned in the
Speaker 1: first quarter, the way they coached offensively early. You know,
Speaker 1: they could have moved the pocket. They could have done
Speaker 1: something to help Dak early. That would have prevented some
Speaker 1: of those mistakes, I think. And then you know, we
Speaker 1: can get into some of the questions. You know, they
Speaker 1: had a couple of fake punts and the big one
Speaker 1: that everybody's talking about that I think we probably would
Speaker 1: have led the show off with if they had lost
Speaker 1: the game. Was the decision to go for two with
Speaker 1: what nine minutes left in the fourth quarter when you're
Speaker 1: down I think nine points, And so I mean if
Speaker 1: they lost the game, it would have been two straight
Speaker 1: weeks of what is Mike McCarthy thinking here? And I
Speaker 1: don't know how you guys feel about I think it
Speaker 1: comes down to whether you embrace analytics or not, because
Speaker 1: what his clear answer afterwards was, I want to know.
Speaker 1: I want to get that out of the way and
Speaker 1: then know what I have to do late in the
Speaker 1: game to try to tie the game up. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm of the opinion that you try to extend the
Speaker 1: game as long as you possibly can and don't put
Speaker 1: yourself in that bind potentially right away. That's just me.
Speaker 1: But I'm not necessarily a huge analytics guy, or at
Speaker 1: least not in that situation. Isaiah, go ahead, Isaiah. Well,
Speaker 1: my good comrade Rob over there already has touched on
Speaker 1: the decisions that I'm going to address, one of which there,
Speaker 1: I guess there's really three decisions. There's obviously a way
Speaker 1: more than that, but there's three primaries right there. Rob
Speaker 1: just touched on. It was a fake punt, right the
Speaker 1: first fake punt where the our punter had didn't have
Speaker 1: enough arm to get the ball to the gunner, which
Speaker 1: I think was a very bold play. But I think
Speaker 1: that it was a well scripted play and a well
Speaker 1: scheme play. They just didn't execute it right. So I
Speaker 1: give them that one. Yes, I like that call. It
Speaker 1: is very bold, is very risky. But I liked the
Speaker 1: call because in all my years of playing I played
Speaker 1: six years of professional football for four years or four
Speaker 1: I guess five years of college football, I've never seen
Speaker 1: that play. So that was awesome. They just needed to
Speaker 1: throw the ball, they needed to catch it, and they
Speaker 1: would have been a first down and everybody would have
Speaker 1: been like, oh, fal, so you're awesome, all right, but
Speaker 1: they weren't. Okay, So that one I agree with. I
Speaker 1: like that call. Now as we go to the fake
Speaker 1: punt with the run, no, I don't. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I think, if I remember correctly, I think we needed
Speaker 1: five yards or three three five or three yards? Got
Speaker 1: he got three yards? Topsy? So you so you snapped
Speaker 1: so yeah, so you snapped the ball back three yards
Speaker 1: to your personal protector, if so he can run eight
Speaker 1: yards in order to get the five he needed. I
Speaker 1: don't like that call, right, I don't like that call
Speaker 1: because you literally go backwards to try to go forward
Speaker 1: for more yards than you actually need it for the
Speaker 1: first down. So I don't like that at all. And
Speaker 1: then Rob you already touched on his decision to in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter with five minutes left to go for two.
Speaker 1: I really don't like that call. I was. I was
Speaker 1: watching a game with Kyle, and I was in total disregard.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand. I was in total disarray because why
Speaker 1: would you put yourself your team in a situation where
Speaker 1: they now have to score twice possibly instead of only
Speaker 1: having to score once. And I think everybody's in agreeance
Speaker 1: with that. I was not. I did not. I didn't
Speaker 1: like that call whatsoever. I think he put himself and
Speaker 1: his team, especially his defense, in some very peculiar positions,
Speaker 1: and luckily it turned out. But yeah, it very easily.
Speaker 1: We could have been sitting here talking about how how
Speaker 1: he just screwed the team. I said, I think the
Speaker 1: words you want to use is ballzy. It was ballsy.
Speaker 1: Coach said it, and he said it. I mean, how
Speaker 1: do you walk with those things, coach? Because that is
Speaker 1: man So the fourth the Gopher two, right, let's go
Speaker 1: start there. It's not that I don't like to look
Speaker 1: the play itself. I thought Ezekiel Elliott was doing in
Speaker 1: between the tackles and then you a toss play on
Speaker 1: the goal line. It gives Atlanta's smallest defense an opportunity
Speaker 1: to catch Zeke on the outside there. I just didn't
Speaker 1: like it. It didn't like the play. Um whatever the
Speaker 1: analytics show for running that, I guess, And all the
Speaker 1: times that you've seen watch football, you hadn't seen a
Speaker 1: coach do that, especially knowing that now you need nine
Speaker 1: points and there are no nine point plays in football,
Speaker 1: and then you would need and on sidekick, and oh yeah,
Speaker 1: as David Hellman pointed out, their percentages for on sidekicks
Speaker 1: is not that good. So I credit Bones Fossil on that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, they couldn't have known that
Speaker 1: that was actually gonna happen. But then the fourth and
Speaker 1: the fourth and five. The only thing about that is
Speaker 1: is guys, put your if you're gonna go for it
Speaker 1: like that, put your offense back on the fields. Your
Speaker 1: office would agree every put those guys back out there.
Speaker 1: That's the safest bet. I just didn't like that play.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you're getting your doors blown off.
Speaker 1: You're looking to change the momentum in the game some
Speaker 1: kind of way. And Chris Jones on the first you
Speaker 1: got the look, it was perfect. Come on, don't just
Speaker 1: throw the ball out. It's a little bit of arrow,
Speaker 1: that thing a little bit and c J good, Hey,
Speaker 1: se j made up for every mistake he made by
Speaker 1: getting all side kick. I'm telling you that he could
Speaker 1: do no wrong in the DFW mental plex because man,
Speaker 1: that onside kick recovery was amazing. And Gregg the leg
Speaker 1: that on side kick was like a spindle top. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like. I've never seen anybody do
Speaker 1: a onll side kick kicking the ball from off of
Speaker 1: the turf like that, but perfect. They set it up perfect.
Speaker 1: And thank you all of the Atlanta Hawks guy, I
Speaker 1: mean Falcons guys that just watched the ball. Yes, thanks
Speaker 1: so every safe that. I watched dan Quinn's postgame press
Speaker 1: conference with Atlanta just to see the explanation on that, right,
Speaker 1: because c J. Goodwin told Nick after the game, like,
Speaker 1: I just knew we were gonna get it, because nobody's
Speaker 1: ever seen an onside kick like that. It looked like
Speaker 1: it looked like a putty, looked like a golf put
Speaker 1: instead of an actual bat. And actually what dan Quinn said,
Speaker 1: and I don't know about this explanation, but what he said, oh,
Speaker 1: our guys know the rules. They know that you can
Speaker 1: grab it before ten yards. But the front three on
Speaker 1: the hands team are taught usually when it's a high
Speaker 1: bouncer to block first and let it go to the
Speaker 1: second level and then go get it. But you forget
Speaker 1: your assignment if the ball is right there, gonna pick
Speaker 1: it up. I just couldn't believe that, ra ra. Let me,
Speaker 1: let me, let me clear this up so that everybody
Speaker 1: out there understands, because I've been on many many hands teams. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're if you're on the front. Yeah, if you're on
Speaker 1: the front line of the hands team number one, you
Speaker 1: have some cohona's huh okay. So so if you're on
Speaker 1: the front line, that means that you're a dog, right,
Speaker 1: you are the first line of defense. You have two jobs, right,
Speaker 1: two jobs. You either are going to the old school
Speaker 1: right when the guys can run up. Right, it was
Speaker 1: a big time collision. Those guys are coming at you.
Speaker 1: Your job is to protect the guy behind you, which
Speaker 1: is usually the best hands on your team. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, it just happened to be Julio Jones behind
Speaker 1: that gentleman yesterday. And number seventeen is the coprint I'm
Speaker 1: talking about specifically. All right, So number seventeen and his
Speaker 1: crew up there on the front line, you either are
Speaker 1: going and you're taking the head off right excuse me,
Speaker 1: it was football, but you're taking the head off of
Speaker 1: the gentlemans that are coming at you right on the
Speaker 1: kickoff team. Or you are simply jumping on the ball
Speaker 1: like it's a grenade. Okay, you are just taking the grenade,
Speaker 1: and you are putting your back to the kickoff team
Speaker 1: so that your rest of your team could then jump
Speaker 1: on tile on top of you and pile on top
Speaker 1: of you. Said that nobody could strip the ball from
Speaker 1: you underneath the pile. Those are those are your two jobs. Actually,
Speaker 1: just like a two and a half point job. If
Speaker 1: the ball came hot, your jobs will let the ball
Speaker 1: go past you, let it get to your guy Julio,
Speaker 1: and then you go make contact. That gentleman did none
Speaker 1: of his assignments, and I'll be surprised if he still
Speaker 1: has a job today. Well, and also you look at
Speaker 1: really Atlanta in the situation that they had going into it.
Speaker 1: They had called the time out previously, they had called
Speaker 1: the time out going into that on site kick. They
Speaker 1: had time to thought think about this, they had time
Speaker 1: to see it. And it's also not the first time.
Speaker 1: It's the first time that Greg Zerline has made the
Speaker 1: kick like that, and they called it the watermelon kick,
Speaker 1: where you lay it flat on the ground and then
Speaker 1: you hit one side of it so that way it
Speaker 1: curls around. And I've heard the curling reference where it
Speaker 1: looks like the Olympics and you're you're sitting there with
Speaker 1: the brooms and stuff. What it really reminded me of
Speaker 1: was was an one or not an on site kick.
Speaker 1: But when you lay down a bunt in baseball and
Speaker 1: it's down the third base line, you lay that bunt
Speaker 1: down and the third baseman's crashing in, but he knows
Speaker 1: it's not gonna have a play at first when he
Speaker 1: came and pick you measu morized by it because you're
Speaker 1: waiting for it to go foul, but instead it stays
Speaker 1: right there on the line, and then it's an infield
Speaker 1: base hit, a bunt base hit for whoever the batter
Speaker 1: was that laid it down. That's what it reminded me of.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were waiting for it to go ten yards
Speaker 1: and maybe they were just so stunned by it sitting there,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm saying they don't they were
Speaker 1: scar and by the way it was, it was not
Speaker 1: number seventeen, just so you know, yeah, called him out,
Speaker 1: called him out. The kid. They were scurr Okay, not scared.
Speaker 1: He was scurr all right. What he was scarred of
Speaker 1: it was he was scared. He was not confident of
Speaker 1: fact that he can hop on the ball and he
Speaker 1: can actually secure it. He was afraid that if he
Speaker 1: had he gone for the ball, the ball was squared
Speaker 1: out onto to the Cowboys side, and that they would
Speaker 1: recover it. Well guess what, buddy, you did none of
Speaker 1: it and they still recovered it. Dude, I was cracking.
Speaker 1: I was cracking up right in that story last night
Speaker 1: because I'm doing my research, like about the rules changes
Speaker 1: about the onside kicks two years ago, and every damn
Speaker 1: headline I read was onside kicks impossible Now, no way
Speaker 1: you can get an onside kick recovery anymore. And I
Speaker 1: mean they pulled it off. Give credit to we talked
Speaker 1: about coaching. Give credit to John Fossil and Greg Girline
Speaker 1: because that that is a style of onside kick that
Speaker 1: they kind of experimented with when they were in LA
Speaker 1: together and they've never used it in a game. They
Speaker 1: practiced it a little bit and I'll be I'll be
Speaker 1: damned if they didn't. What did you call that? They
Speaker 1: call it the watermelon kick? They because it's a flat watermelon.
Speaker 1: It was. It wasn't the first or it was the
Speaker 1: first time that Arline had tried to attempt that kick,
Speaker 1: but when they were in LA, the punter actually did
Speaker 1: that one time against the Cowboys back in twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: or twenty seventeen, one of those two years they've showed
Speaker 1: it against the Cowboys before. It didn't work out. It
Speaker 1: ended up going out of bounds, but it ultimately didn't
Speaker 1: work out. This time it did, and thank goodness it
Speaker 1: did because it was a fantastic play and it's one
Speaker 1: that won't be forgotten anytime soon for the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: as they went at forty to thirty nine. When we
Speaker 1: come back, let's talk about the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 1: That pass rush left a lot to be desired. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about how they can get more pressure on
Speaker 1: opposing quarterbacks because that is legal in the NFL, and
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Speaker 1: a Victory Monday, following the Cowboys first win of the
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy era forty to thirty nine. The Cowboys get
Speaker 1: the win over the Atlanta Falcons. We've got our residence
Speaker 1: super Bowl champion Isaiah standback. Are Cowboys insider Rob Phillips
Speaker 1: and Heck Harrison with you as always I'm Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: and man the defense. They spotted twenty points because of
Speaker 1: the offense in that first quarter, and it was really
Speaker 1: kind of they were on the field all quarter long.
Speaker 1: They just didn't get a chance to get a break.
Speaker 1: You're going up against one of the top offenses in
Speaker 1: the entire NFL. But there were still plenty of things
Speaker 1: that the Catali's defense didn't necessarily do right yesterday, and
Speaker 1: there's a reason why there were thirty nine points up
Speaker 1: on the board. But whenever they needed to make plays
Speaker 1: down the stretch, they did so. But heck, when when
Speaker 1: you look at this defense, what's the biggest thing that
Speaker 1: stood out to you that needs improvement moving forward based
Speaker 1: off of what we saw yesterday? Oh my god, we
Speaker 1: have to generate some type of pass rush. That's just
Speaker 1: got to happen. We didn't get a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: We didn't get any I don't believe we even had
Speaker 1: a sack until the fourth quarter. And so to the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, so Mett Ryan was very comfortable. We didn't
Speaker 1: throw him office square at all. But I think we
Speaker 1: discovered that we have a middle lineback and Joe Thomas,
Speaker 1: who had an exceptional game. I mean, I know we
Speaker 1: could talk about the faults in it, but man, I
Speaker 1: thought forty eight played pretty dog on good out there.
Speaker 1: But we have to generate. We have to generate some
Speaker 1: type of pass rush. Tristan Hill again show flashes in
Speaker 1: this game where he could be dominant. I think he
Speaker 1: pretty much on the third and nine blew up a
Speaker 1: play for us man. And just overall, I think the
Speaker 1: one part of our defense that we thought that we
Speaker 1: were going to get together, the defensive line, it just
Speaker 1: hadn't been there yet. We've seen flashes, but they haven't
Speaker 1: put a complete game together yet. And to Isaiah's Isaiah's credit,
Speaker 1: Tray Bud Diggs by himself or julioh my god, there
Speaker 1: was a point where you just had to cover your eyes,
Speaker 1: just said, oh my god, Rookie, Oh god, rookie. Please no.
Speaker 1: But just on that plast pass from Gage, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just the football. Gods. You'll probably never see Julio
Speaker 1: pass like that that hits him right in the hands ever. Again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so on the defense. But before I go in, listen up, everybody,
Speaker 1: kudos to the defense because Cowboys Nation. In case you
Speaker 1: guys didn't know as much as you guys want to
Speaker 1: talk about Dak Prescott throwing the ball for four hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards as much as you want to talk
Speaker 1: about Cde Lamb catching it for over one hundred, two
Speaker 1: for over over one hundred, and Shultz and Sholtz almost
Speaker 1: getting one hundred. You almost had three, you know, three receivers,
Speaker 1: you know slash tight ends get over one hundred yards.
Speaker 1: Great job, offense. But the reason why you guys were
Speaker 1: in position to do that is because your defense kept
Speaker 1: you in this game. They were put into some terrible
Speaker 1: situations early on versus a very formidable offense, a very formidable,
Speaker 1: formidable offense that has a ton of weapons. So this
Speaker 1: defense allowed for Dallas to get back in the game. Yes,
Speaker 1: there was thirty nine points, but shoot, they had the
Speaker 1: ball on the thirty yard line going in three times
Speaker 1: in the first dog on a quarter. So what do
Speaker 1: you expect? Right, So, as much as people want to
Speaker 1: trash the defense, and yes there are some things that
Speaker 1: need to be trashed about the defense, these guys gave
Speaker 1: the Cowboys an opportunity to win the ball game. So
Speaker 1: kudos to the defense. Now, now we get to the details.
Speaker 1: Diggs I told y'all earlier in the week. Don't do it,
Speaker 1: don't do it, don't put this. There's trial by fire
Speaker 1: and there's trial by death. And had Julio Jones not
Speaker 1: been nursing a hammy injury that it was a very
Speaker 1: apparent during the game, right now, making any excuses, but
Speaker 1: that was not one hundred percent Julio, and he was
Speaker 1: trying to tough it out because he knew how important
Speaker 1: that game was to his team as well, so he
Speaker 1: was really trying to push through. But Julio wasn't one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. Julio dropped what we all see as as
Speaker 1: one hundred percent Julio catches, right, he doesn't drop those
Speaker 1: kind of passes, right. They schemed it up. Diggs got
Speaker 1: burnt at the line of scrimmage a number of times, right,
Speaker 1: I know, the one that we always talked about is
Speaker 1: the one with Julio. But he got destroyed at least
Speaker 1: four times that I saw where he tried to get
Speaker 1: a jam on the line of scrimmage and these guys
Speaker 1: literally just ran by him. So he has to get better,
Speaker 1: and he will get better. He's young, and he was
Speaker 1: playing against some vents. Not only did they have Julio
Speaker 1: freaking really wit Ham. And when when I talk about
Speaker 1: this receiving corps that those guys that they just face
Speaker 1: really is a dog. Let's not let's not disrespect him.
Speaker 1: He's a freaking dog. Now. I mean he's fast, he's quick,
Speaker 1: he's savvy, his routes are impeccable. So we don't have
Speaker 1: the defensive secondary to match up against those guys man
Speaker 1: for man, And when they had to face each other
Speaker 1: man for man, it exposed the crap out of him, right,
Speaker 1: So all in all, the defensive second that the secondary
Speaker 1: has to improve upon their technique to be able to
Speaker 1: handle receivers like this because going into next week, it
Speaker 1: doesn't get easier. Okay, so it's not gonna get easier
Speaker 1: every week. You're gonna face a number one receiver every
Speaker 1: single week. So we have to figure that out. Until you,
Speaker 1: guys this point, the defensive line, oh my goodness, we
Speaker 1: have to figure it out, right, we have to figure
Speaker 1: it out. They got it. They have to get some
Speaker 1: kind of pressure because you're not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: sit back and allow these quarterbacks in this league to
Speaker 1: sit back here and throw the ball and Joe Thomas,
Speaker 1: that's hey, that's the heart of your defense right now,
Speaker 1: whether you guys want to believe it or not. Joe Thomas,
Speaker 1: it's the heart of your defense. He has been the
Speaker 1: most consistent player over these first two weeks. He is
Speaker 1: bringing the fire. He's popping people in their mouth. He's
Speaker 1: walking around like, guess what, this is what I do
Speaker 1: every plays. He's not excited about all the plays. He's confident,
Speaker 1: he's doing his assignments. Y'all need to pay attention to
Speaker 1: du Yeah, I wrote I wrote down Joe Thomas, Brandon Knight,
Speaker 1: and Dalton Shows. You talked about next man up, the
Speaker 1: guys they needed to step up. I thought did a
Speaker 1: pretty good job and Joe, for sure. You guys hit
Speaker 1: on the pass rush, I mean I think they had.
Speaker 1: I think they had six plays explosive pass plays down
Speaker 1: the field over twenty yards. I think Cowboys had seven.
Speaker 1: But Matt Ryan had too much time to set his
Speaker 1: feet and survey the field and make his reads for
Speaker 1: a lot of the game. Now, there there were moments
Speaker 1: where the defense rose up and made plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: forcing him to throw the ball away before their final
Speaker 1: field goal. I think it was Everson Griffin and Alvin
Speaker 1: Smith that in a way that helps save the game
Speaker 1: right there. So they did make some plays, but they've
Speaker 1: they've they've got to be, you know, more productive with
Speaker 1: the pass rush, and it was you know, it's concerning
Speaker 1: to see DeMarcus Lawrence limited with his snaps in the
Speaker 1: second half. He barely played in the second half. He
Speaker 1: had a knee injury early in the game first half,
Speaker 1: kept playing through it, went to the medical tent at
Speaker 1: one point in the second half, and I think I
Speaker 1: only saw him for a couple of plays after that
Speaker 1: and then he went back out. So you need to
Speaker 1: be full strength there. To your guys point about Digs,
Speaker 1: it looked like Matt Ryan was looking for him on
Speaker 1: a lot of occasions, you know, with Calvin Ridley, with
Speaker 1: Russell Gage, not even just Julio. But he also came
Speaker 1: back and made some plays and he's gonna be better.
Speaker 1: But I think they've just it does start up front
Speaker 1: and the pressure. Probably they're going to look back and say,
Speaker 1: we needed to be more productive in that regard. First also,
Speaker 1: Rob there's a ton of miss assignments early on, yes,
Speaker 1: and that led to like Hurst's easy touchdown, right, So
Speaker 1: those things gotta they have to be shared up as well.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm just gonna go ahead and assume that
Speaker 1: they're still getting used to know Ryan's defense. So those
Speaker 1: guys got to figure that out too, because you can't
Speaker 1: give up those easy plays. You just can't put yourself
Speaker 1: in all situations. Yeah, you look at some of the
Speaker 1: grades on Pro Football Focus, and I'm looking down at
Speaker 1: right now, but Joe Thomas was the best defender who
Speaker 1: played more than three snaps. Actually, Bradley and I was
Speaker 1: the highest graded one. But Joe Thomas, of course playing
Speaker 1: seventy five snaps yesterday. DeMarcus Lawrence only played for twenty
Speaker 1: eight and he played well. He had good He at
Speaker 1: least grade wise, had solid pass rush and tackling throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the game. But whatever it comes to
Speaker 1: not having DeMarcus Lawrence and Rob I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: you've heard any updates here. It's so tough getting these
Speaker 1: COVID injury updates because of the lack of access to
Speaker 1: these teams. But have you heard anything about DeMarcus Lawrence?
Speaker 1: And if he is not good to go moving forward,
Speaker 1: at least you have some depth at that position, right well,
Speaker 1: I think to me it was encouraging that he was
Speaker 1: on the field and did a little bit in the
Speaker 1: second half. I just know they're gonna take a look
Speaker 1: at it today and see how he's doing. Sam with Cheeto,
Speaker 1: by the way, I think he hurt hamstring on a
Speaker 1: punt block attempt I think in the fourth quarter and
Speaker 1: he didn't come back. So now you're looking at your
Speaker 1: secondary two. You just got Jordan Lewis back, but you
Speaker 1: got Anthony Brown on IR for three games. So you
Speaker 1: hope Cheto can make it back this week and be fine.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that the injuries are ridiculous, and really across
Speaker 1: the league, man, a lot of top guys went down yesterday,
Speaker 1: really unfortunate, but hopefully with the Cowboys came out of
Speaker 1: it relatively okay and not a lot worse than you
Speaker 1: were before. Yeah, hey, rob, let me ask you man,
Speaker 1: And that's not before A lot starts to be made
Speaker 1: of this as far as Tank and just him changing
Speaker 1: his stands from you know, handing the ground to a
Speaker 1: bicycle uh stands and just saying that that may that
Speaker 1: may change his game a little bit, because we know
Speaker 1: Tank has been a guy that's had his hand in
Speaker 1: the ground. How much credence do you give to that move?
Speaker 1: With Tank now going just in his game, going to
Speaker 1: a bicycle stands. In Nolan's defense, that's a great question.
Speaker 1: You know. I saw John Owning, who I really like
Speaker 1: his work with the Morning News. He said, batask two
Speaker 1: point stands. It's something he's got to continue to work on.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I said, do you see a
Speaker 1: difference with it and the way is it affecting his
Speaker 1: play at all? I don't know if it's If that's
Speaker 1: what's what's the testament to his a piss play right now?
Speaker 1: I do know it is a change for somebody who
Speaker 1: hasn't been in that position before. It's to stand up
Speaker 1: now and come out of that off of that stands
Speaker 1: no different than it is for you know, a youngster
Speaker 1: to go you know, when they're running track from a
Speaker 1: stand up, you know, from a two point stands all
Speaker 1: of a sudden getting into blocks. It's different, right, you
Speaker 1: have to you have to get accustomed to it. So, um,
Speaker 1: it's something that he can learn. He's a professional, he's
Speaker 1: the top one percent of the one percent. He will
Speaker 1: figure it out. And if he doesn't figure it out
Speaker 1: that I'm sure that paycheck will remind him to figure
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, yeah, And I think whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to DeMarcus Lawrence, it hasn't necessarily just been the two
Speaker 1: point stands. He's not necessarily seen the same kind of
Speaker 1: dominant success that he had earlier in his career, at
Speaker 1: least a couple of years ago, prior to the contract.
Speaker 1: I still think he's the same player. I just don't
Speaker 1: necess certainly know when we're gonna see that same kind
Speaker 1: of production, in that same kind of oomph from DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: And hopefully it comes soon because that pass rush absolutely
Speaker 1: needs it. But that's gonna do it here for Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: our first victory Monday of the twenty twenty season. We'll
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow, nine thirty am Central Time. It's fans
Speaker 1: on the fifty day. Bring your fan questions, get them
Speaker 1: riled up, good, bad, ugly, let's do it. Let's answer
Speaker 1: those questions. We'll break down the Cowboys as we start
Speaker 1: looking ahead to Seattle Week and the Seahawks on the horizon,
Speaker 1: as a trip up to the Great Northwest is on
Speaker 1: the horizon. But as for today, for heck Ma Harrison,
Speaker 1: for Rob Phillips, for Isaiah Stanback, I'm Kyle Yeoman's special
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