Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: People who have listened to this show for a while
Speaker 1: know that one of my things is that I'm actually
Speaker 1: really worried about people turning to AI to replace actual relationships.
Speaker 1: Friendship rates are down, people aren't dating, they aren't getting married.
Speaker 1: All of this is concerning to me. And having this
Speaker 1: AI outlet that people have now it's worrisome. I think
Speaker 1: it's a real problem and it could lead us in
Speaker 1: a really bad direction. There was a clip that circulated
Speaker 1: on X of Mark Zuckerberg talking about just this issue
Speaker 1: about how AI could replicate friendships, and he was kind
Speaker 1: of talking about it in a positive way, about how
Speaker 1: it can combat loneliness. Let's roll the clip and I'll
Speaker 1: discuss it.
Speaker 2: The personalization loop kicks in and the AI just starts
Speaker 2: to get to know you better and better. I think
Speaker 2: that will just be really compelling. You know, one thing,
Speaker 2: just from working on social media for a long time
Speaker 2: is there's the stat that I think is crazy. The
Speaker 2: average American, I think has I think it's fewer than
Speaker 2: three friends, three people if they'd consider friends, and the
Speaker 2: average person has demand for meaningfully more. I think it's
Speaker 2: like fifteen friends or something, right. I guess there's probably
Speaker 2: some point where you're like, all right, I'm just too busy.
Speaker 2: I can't deal with more people. But the average person
Speaker 2: wants more connectivity connection than they have. So you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions that people ask of stuff
Speaker 2: like Okay, is this going to replace kind of in
Speaker 2: person connections or real life connections, And my default is
Speaker 2: that the answer to that is probably no. I think
Speaker 2: it it it, you know, I think that there are
Speaker 2: all these things that are better about kind of physical
Speaker 2: connections when you can have them, But the reality is
Speaker 2: that people just don't have the connection and they feel
Speaker 2: more alone a lot of the time than they would like.
Speaker 2: So I think that a lot of these things that
Speaker 2: today there might be a little bit of a stigma around.
Speaker 2: I would guess that over time we will find the
Speaker 2: vocabulary as a society to be able to articulate why
Speaker 2: that is valuable and why the people who are doing
Speaker 2: these things are like why they are rational for doing
Speaker 2: it and like and how it is adding value for
Speaker 2: their for their lives. But but also I think that
Speaker 2: the field is very early, So I mean, it's like
Speaker 2: I think, you know, they're a handful of companies and stuff.
Speaker 2: We are doing virtual therapist, and you know, there's like virtual
Speaker 2: girlfriend type stuff. But it's it's very early.
Speaker 1: So I get what you're saying that people are hungry
Speaker 1: for friendship. They're not getting it. Here's outlet for those people.
Speaker 1: People want to have fifteen friends, he says, but they
Speaker 1: only have three. Maybe maybe they have three, maybe they don't.
Speaker 1: Maybe they have fewer than that, so maybe they could
Speaker 1: turn to AI for that need that they have. But no, no,
Speaker 1: you can't. If you have three friends and you add AI,
Speaker 1: you still only have three friends. The AI is something
Speaker 1: you spend your time doing, like scrolling. I mean, we
Speaker 1: don't say Instagram is your friend because you spend two
Speaker 1: hours on at a night before bed scrolling videos. The
Speaker 1: AI could feel like a friend sometimes, but it's not
Speaker 1: because a friend can take in your mail when you're away,
Speaker 1: or remind you of a funny experience you had in high school,
Speaker 1: or make you laugh by saying something ridiculous, or go
Speaker 1: on vacation with you. This idea that oh AI will
Speaker 1: soon do all these things too, that still won't make
Speaker 1: AI your friend. AI will not be sad when you die.
Speaker 1: AI I will not miss you when you're gone. You
Speaker 1: get no actual feeling, no reciprocation. You get just the
Speaker 1: simulation of feeling and know people are lonely and this
Speaker 1: feels like, well, it's something. But just like online dating
Speaker 1: is only useful when it translates to real life dating,
Speaker 1: AI can never become something real. And every minute you
Speaker 1: spend talking to let's be serious here yourself alone in
Speaker 1: your room is a minute you don't spend out there
Speaker 1: in our big, amazing, beautiful world with real people who
Speaker 1: exist even when you're not typing anything to let them
Speaker 1: know what you'd like them to say. It's important to
Speaker 1: tell your children real is better. Real is the only
Speaker 1: thing there is. Thanks for listening. Coming up next and
Speaker 1: interview with Curtis Helck. Join us after the break. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest
Speaker 1: today is Curtis Helk. Curtis is managing editor at NewsBusters. Hi, Curtis,
Speaker 1: thanks with you. I'm so glad to talk to you.
Speaker 1: I love NewsBusters. How did you get into this world?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So, I think my first kind of peak was actually
Speaker 4: when I was nine years old. I was in third grade,
Speaker 4: and it was that was in peak, yeah, two thousand
Speaker 4: presidential election. And you know, just as a little kid,
Speaker 4: the notion that my parents explains that there'd be an
Speaker 4: election and then then there would be a president when
Speaker 4: you wake up the.
Speaker 3: Next morning, and then there wasn't. Right as a kid,
Speaker 3: you're like, you know kind of what you deal with that.
Speaker 4: So my teacher, uh, missus Luck and Ball. You know,
Speaker 4: we all have those teachers who really change our lives,
Speaker 4: and she did. My third grade teacher, she set me
Speaker 4: on a special assignment. The American Presidency exhibit at the
Speaker 4: Smithsonian had just opened, and she sent me on a
Speaker 4: project to cover pick four or five presidents. And so
Speaker 4: I picked these really obscure presidents like most.
Speaker 1: Do you remember who?
Speaker 3: Yes, I did Gerald Ford, John Tyler. I think I
Speaker 3: did Chester, Arthur or Garfield.
Speaker 4: But then I did take FDR as like the more
Speaker 4: well known president. And so that was kind of got
Speaker 4: piqued my interests but really set me on the course.
Speaker 3: Carol was.
Speaker 4: The next year was nine to eleven. My birthday is
Speaker 4: nine to eleven. Actually, wow, So I turned ten years
Speaker 4: old on that day and I think, like a lot
Speaker 4: of people, even adults who probably didn't pay attention to
Speaker 4: the news very much until then. I know, my wife
Speaker 4: has said that was when my father in law got cable, because.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a TV, and not until people.
Speaker 3: Were I mean some people were news junkies and they
Speaker 3: were really.
Speaker 4: Invested in cable even then in its semi infancy, but
Speaker 4: that really changed things.
Speaker 3: And my dad.
Speaker 4: I'm from Leicester, Pennsylvania, and so a couple hours outside
Speaker 4: of New York, but far enough down. My dad who
Speaker 4: did search and rescue on the side looking for lost children,
Speaker 4: Alzheimer's patients, that kind of thing in the wilderness. He
Speaker 4: actually was sent up to Staten Island to go through
Speaker 4: debrief that was hauled over and he and his friends
Speaker 4: were there for a few days looking for remains and
Speaker 4: personal artifacts.
Speaker 3: So between those two events.
Speaker 4: That really got me interested in the news, wanting to
Speaker 4: watch the news how it's made. I started actually reading
Speaker 4: NewsBusters in probably middle school at this point, so I'm
Speaker 4: a big fan of the work that I now do
Speaker 4: well before that.
Speaker 3: So so that was probably two four, two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because that two thousand election is also
Speaker 1: what radicalized me. I looked at a little back of
Speaker 1: the envelope Matt as we were talking. Though I was
Speaker 1: not ten at the time, I was in my early twenties,
Speaker 1: and I sought out other Republicans after that happened, because
Speaker 1: to me, it seemed very obvious that al Gore was
Speaker 1: trying to steal the election. I was a conservative, but
Speaker 1: I didn't care about parties or whatever. But I felt
Speaker 1: like I needed to go find people to talk to
Speaker 1: about this because I thought I was losing my mind.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the most obvious thing ever.
Speaker 1: George W. Bush won and they're trying to steal it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was the moment for me too. And
Speaker 1: then obviously nine to eleven, almost a year later, was
Speaker 1: also a big, huge event in my life. I was
Speaker 1: in New York at the time and I didn't have
Speaker 1: a TV, and I watched it all happen on the
Speaker 1: early blogs. I watched it on instapundit for example, early
Speaker 1: early internet. So yeah, it's interesting. Do you go back
Speaker 1: to Pennsylvania a lot?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife and I My wife is from there too.
Speaker 4: Actually we met down here in the DC area, but
Speaker 4: she's from Lynnetts, Pennsylvania. So we both go up fair amount,
Speaker 4: probably once a month, once every six weeks. Most of
Speaker 4: our family is still there, cousins, aunts, uncles, her sister's
Speaker 4: in New Jersey, but my brother's there. Yeah, we're a
Speaker 4: lot of our family is still there. We hope to
Speaker 4: one day move back there, but right now working here
Speaker 4: in DC, and my wife works at a museum in
Speaker 4: DC as well, So that feel too kind of limits
Speaker 4: you a little bit Topaci's in terms of your options.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a great place.
Speaker 1: Do you have a beat at NewsBusters or do you
Speaker 1: cover all kinds of stuff?
Speaker 4: So in my almost eleven years, I've covered all kinds
Speaker 4: of things. Primarily it started out as the evening newscasts
Speaker 4: ABCCBSMEC because that's the basis for a lot of our
Speaker 4: studies that listeners may see. And I also covered everything
Speaker 4: into cable. I then watch Chris Matthews every night once
Speaker 4: they became managing editor.
Speaker 3: That was something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and so towards the end of the last
Speaker 4: Obama year with Josh Ernest, I started taking interest in
Speaker 4: the White House Press briefing because there would be moments
Speaker 4: when reporters would ask about certain things that were in
Speaker 4: the news that weren't then being covered on the broadcast
Speaker 4: at which repair was covering them on Fox but nobody
Speaker 4: else was, and so that got me interested. I'm like,
Speaker 4: why should watch these on a daily basis? So with
Speaker 4: the advent, then if the Trumpet first Trump administration and
Speaker 4: Sean Spicer, I started watching every day. I started watching
Speaker 4: and consuming that every day before even Jim Acosta really
Speaker 4: made himself known to the country. So I've been on
Speaker 4: that beat ever since, and that's my main project. You know,
Speaker 4: knowing who the reporters are in the room.
Speaker 3: It's fun.
Speaker 4: I've been told by different people over the years that
Speaker 4: people in the room definitely care about what I tweet.
Speaker 4: Ye they noticed when I tweek their question and when
Speaker 4: I write about them, and they wanted they want to
Speaker 4: be noticed. And I think I probably, unfortunately, maybe to
Speaker 4: their detriment with their bosses, it helps probably humanize conservative
Speaker 4: media a little bit.
Speaker 3: That I'm a guy who's called balls and strikes before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely that there are certain moments, there are certain single,
Speaker 4: singular days, like at least in the Biden administration, where
Speaker 4: you know, I would watch a press briefing in the
Speaker 4: press would do their jobs for that forty five minutes
Speaker 4: to an hour that the questions from Fox news to
Speaker 4: the New York Post were exactly the same and just
Speaker 4: as tough as those from ABC, CBS, NBC, and so
Speaker 4: I think it's helped the NewsBusters readership see too the
Speaker 4: way the biased media work as well, that it's not
Speaker 4: that for some of them it is entirely partisan and
Speaker 4: they see the world completely differently than us. But I
Speaker 4: think it's shown that it least for some of them,
Speaker 4: it is a conscious choice. It is a conscious choice
Speaker 4: to engage in what they cover and don't cover on
Speaker 4: a daily basis. So I found that particularly rewarding, and
Speaker 4: to in my tweeting just tweet the know who the
Speaker 4: reporter's name is. And I think people appreciate that versus
Speaker 4: just reporters right right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, everybody wants to recognition what does the average
Speaker 1: American normy, you know, who doesn't follow this the way
Speaker 1: that we do not know or misunderstand about the White
Speaker 1: House briefing room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's pretty that's a good question. I would
Speaker 4: say that there's definitely a process too. I think Americans
Speaker 4: have learned a lot more with the AP situation in
Speaker 4: the in the role that the AP plays kind of
Speaker 4: as the gatekeeper for when briefings end.
Speaker 1: And you were talking about the ap situation, just so
Speaker 1: like a fill in my listeners, it's it's when they
Speaker 1: refuse to say Gulf of America and they.
Speaker 3: And remove them from impoval.
Speaker 1: From the press pool.
Speaker 4: Right, but they still participate in the White House press briefing.
Speaker 4: But you know, because traditions said so, they always start
Speaker 4: the questioning, so they set the agenda and then it
Speaker 4: usually goes to the front row. But what Caroline has
Speaker 4: done is go around the room. And I think that's
Speaker 4: something that I don't I probably don't think a lot
Speaker 4: of people may have considered or thought about. Right, there
Speaker 4: was kind of this unofficial way of doing things for
Speaker 4: a long time, but now it's completely changed where Caroline,
Speaker 4: you know, and Kaylee did this too, and Sarah did
Speaker 4: as well on the first arm nization. Yes, obviously you're
Speaker 4: gonna get to the big TV, but there's a lot
Speaker 4: of people in there. There's there's dozens of people that
Speaker 4: cover the White House day in and day out too,
Speaker 4: and they've got plenty of valid questions too about all
Speaker 4: kinds of things.
Speaker 1: So they sometimes have more listeners, followers, you know, viewers
Speaker 1: than the major networks at this point, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, the New York Posts, Daily Wire for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a few others. They definitely have more readers. The
Speaker 4: Daily Caller, so yeah, bringers, The Caller, Mary Margaret, the
Speaker 4: Daily Wire, Stephen Nelson at the New York Post.
Speaker 3: They do incredible jobs representing.
Speaker 4: Their viewers and readers, which number, you know, at minimum
Speaker 4: equal to number, if not greater than some of these
Speaker 4: broadcast networks on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So why should it be only the broadcast networks
Speaker 1: that get the questions? And I think Americans understand that
Speaker 1: there is a new kind of media that has emerged.
Speaker 1: It's not even that new anymore. Right, It's like podcasts
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't say blogs and that type of things.
Speaker 1: It's been at this point, you know, a decade plus.
Speaker 1: It's not like it just came out last month. So
Speaker 1: it's interesting that they're getting a chance to actually ask
Speaker 1: the questions and get to a different conversation than the
Speaker 1: news media might want to have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they can still coordinate their questions and stack their questions.
Speaker 4: My boss, Tim Graham was the White House correspondent for
Speaker 4: World Magazine the first few years of the Bush administration
Speaker 4: under Ari Fleischer, and he saw that up close too,
Speaker 4: that reporters could clearly were lining up their questions and
Speaker 4: considering what each other was saying. That to the point
Speaker 4: it almost seemed like it was scripted ahead of time.
Speaker 4: So you know what we see now is, you know,
Speaker 4: reporters can still ask their questions, Caroline still calls on them.
Speaker 4: It's not completely being shut out. It's just that she's
Speaker 4: mixing in different viewpoints. And I think to the misnomer
Speaker 4: that people might have too, is the conservative reporters thus
Speaker 4: far are asking tough questions. You know, Sager and Jetty
Speaker 4: who you speak the Daily Caller Now he's on his
Speaker 4: own independent breaking points with Crystal Ball, former MSNBC host.
Speaker 4: He asked about Thomas Massey when President Trump called for
Speaker 4: Thomas Massey to be primaried a few weeks ago, and
Speaker 4: you know, he pointed out all of these things. Thomas
Speaker 4: Massey is in support of and locks up with the president,
Speaker 4: but not on spent a spending bill. So why call
Speaker 4: for him to be primary? You know, that's probably not
Speaker 4: a question Carolyn Lovett wanted to be asked, but.
Speaker 3: He asked any softballs, Yeah, exactly, or Mary Margaret.
Speaker 4: Last week, the Daily Wire asked about Hey, so the
Speaker 4: Supreme Court draft.
Speaker 3: Opinion, Dobb's opinion leak.
Speaker 4: Is the Justice Department interested in this because there's still
Speaker 4: no answer these many years later?
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you know, liberal media, legacy media may
Speaker 4: think this is a very niche issue or not, but
Speaker 4: it's not. It matters to a huge.
Speaker 1: Their voice is heard generally in that room. Yeah, Mary
Speaker 1: Margaret's been on the show. She's fantastic, And yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that she asked that what would you be doing
Speaker 1: if it wasn't this, If there was, what would be
Speaker 1: the plan be for Curtis?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Actually weather was is something that I that was my
Speaker 4: two That was my other track that I was interested
Speaker 4: in meteorology.
Speaker 3: I there's a picture.
Speaker 1: Of sane job like Fox. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my mom has a picture of me in my
Speaker 4: playpen watching the Weather Channel, the weather on the eighths
Speaker 4: the nineties graphics. I mean, people can probably hear this
Speaker 4: and they're see it in their heads like that just
Speaker 4: just completely you know, it sucked me in and so
Speaker 4: I always just again it's part of I guess curiosity
Speaker 4: about the world around me and extreme weather, how nature
Speaker 4: can do this or do that on a dime, is
Speaker 4: just just fascinated me. Math has been a little hard
Speaker 4: for me growing up, still is. But so that would
Speaker 4: be a little difficult because I very quickly learned, you know,
Speaker 4: involves chemistry and physics, and he got a new geometry
Speaker 4: and all these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's too much.
Speaker 3: I try to put that to the wayside a little
Speaker 3: bit once I got deeper media in college.
Speaker 1: Yeah, media it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right
Speaker 1: back on the Carol Markowitch Show. What do you worry about?
Speaker 3: Elf?
Speaker 4: I think always my greatest fear is being alone. You
Speaker 4: know this, Carol, And this is something.
Speaker 3: That I I talk about.
Speaker 4: It still my pin thread on Twitter talking about my
Speaker 4: battles with depression and suicide. And it's coming upon ten
Speaker 4: years since that really first came up. I think that's
Speaker 4: one of my greatest fears.
Speaker 3: I think I think we all want.
Speaker 4: To be accepted, and I don't necessarily always care what
Speaker 4: people think about me, but just knowing that I have friends,
Speaker 4: I've always been one of those people that just has
Speaker 4: a lot of like acquaintance.
Speaker 3: I just know a lot of people.
Speaker 4: But in terms of like world yeah, but in terms
Speaker 4: of like close close friends, you know, it's tight or die.
Speaker 4: It's all That's always been a struggle for me over
Speaker 4: the years. So that's something that.
Speaker 3: I think in the background my mind, it's always something
Speaker 3: that I really really worry about.
Speaker 4: Credit therapy, you know, the Lord, and a lot of
Speaker 4: different circumstances God moments in my life over the years.
Speaker 3: But that is probably.
Speaker 4: Something that you know, when I'm like having a really
Speaker 4: bad day or really struggling, that's something that that that
Speaker 4: hits me.
Speaker 1: That thread was so powerful. I think you gave voice
Speaker 1: to what a lot of people feel and that comment
Speaker 1: about you know, having close friends. It is an issue
Speaker 1: that I feel like comes up on this show a lot.
Speaker 1: I have people write into me a lot about how
Speaker 1: to make friends or how to get closer to people.
Speaker 1: It's tough, it's really tough, and it's it's getting tougher
Speaker 1: with the phones and the fact that we're you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a part. But it's so good that you
Speaker 1: are aware of it and see it as a problem.
Speaker 1: Whereas that I feel like I hear from a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are like, I don't have close friends.
Speaker 1: That's fine with me. It's good that you're like, you know, invested.
Speaker 3: In it, name it in putting your putting a finger
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's one of the things about COVID that
Speaker 4: just continually aggravates me. The social isolation that created it
Speaker 4: exacerbated it. It was already there, but it just made
Speaker 4: that even worse. And it's just the epidemic of loneliness
Speaker 4: in this country.
Speaker 1: That's right, And I just think where we have to
Speaker 1: like identify it and do something about it, otherwise it
Speaker 1: will obviously spiral. What advice would you give a sixteen
Speaker 1: year old Curtis help.
Speaker 4: That it's going to borrow a Dana Perino book. It's
Speaker 4: going to be okay book title, It's going to be okay.
Speaker 3: I in high school I struggled a lot with acceptance.
Speaker 4: I was kind of a drama queen, drama lama of sorts.
Speaker 4: And I think I worried too about friendship. That kind
Speaker 4: of that point that I was just talking about that
Speaker 4: really continued to grow and that it wasn't just that.
Speaker 4: I realized it wasn't just me years later, so I
Speaker 4: would tell myself, it's not just you that you're struggling,
Speaker 4: or just because you're struggling to make friends at this
Speaker 4: high school. You know, you go to the next high
Speaker 4: school north of you, and you'll make lifelong friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I didn't know.
Speaker 4: Almost like how I met your mother's situation. My wife
Speaker 4: was living her life. You know, we briefly. I ran
Speaker 4: track for a few years. She was a D one athlete,
Speaker 4: but we were at the same meets. I didn't even
Speaker 4: know it, team football games. Our teams played each other.
Speaker 4: She was there, I didn't even know it. So I
Speaker 4: think I would tell myself that, yeah, that everything's going
Speaker 4: to be okay, and that, like you're, the insecurities and
Speaker 4: struggles that you see in yourself and others are valid,
Speaker 4: and that your hard work.
Speaker 3: Will pay off.
Speaker 4: It's because, as your band director tells you, and it
Speaker 4: is true, someone is always watching you in the best
Speaker 4: way possible.
Speaker 1: Love that How did you and your wife meet?
Speaker 3: We met online? We met online through uh yeah, through
Speaker 3: Hinge during COVID, And.
Speaker 1: All the people have successful stories in places like Hinge.
Speaker 1: Because a lot of what I hear is not success.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, she's uh yeah, that's her friend made it
Speaker 4: for her. I a few months earlier. I'd been on
Speaker 4: doing that for years and years and years, all sorts
Speaker 4: of struggles and you'll learn a lot about people.
Speaker 3: And by doing that for a while, yeah, like I did.
Speaker 3: But that's that's how we met, and we have a
Speaker 3: lot of the same friends. We learned.
Speaker 4: Her parents know even more people, which is crazy. So
Speaker 4: they're about twenty minutes apart from each other. So so yeah.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, you definitely have how I met your mother situation.
Speaker 1: Would love to like see how you guys actually, you know,
Speaker 1: just walked by each other at the meets or you know,
Speaker 1: saw each other at the football games, but didn't really
Speaker 1: realize it at the time. Do you have mutual friends
Speaker 1: or anything back in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, we do?
Speaker 1: You do?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 4: I knew some of her friends at Penn I met
Speaker 4: a friend of hers at Penn State. One of her
Speaker 4: teammates from track went to Penn State, and yeah, it's
Speaker 4: it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I knew a person from this thing.
Speaker 4: And that's just what makes you know, just life so
Speaker 4: beautiful it is, and particularly our area I just think
Speaker 4: is really special, Like stir is such a very special place.
Speaker 4: It's a really good place to raise a family. Fortunately,
Speaker 4: a lot of people from out of state have moved in,
Speaker 4: so we kind of have that problem. Yeah, but like
Speaker 4: they want to get rid of Maryland, New Jersey, New York,
Speaker 4: we're fleeing higher taxes, but bringing our policies with that issue.
Speaker 4: By and large, it's still amazing place, outstanding schools. No,
Speaker 4: that's why all my family's still there and my brother's there.
Speaker 1: I love it. I'll have to visit. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever been to Lancaster. It's is it homage country?
Speaker 3: Yes, that is homage country.
Speaker 4: But the misconception Carolly people have is that it's not
Speaker 4: all farmland.
Speaker 3: There is a Leicester city.
Speaker 4: With you know, an art scene, a lot of restaurants,
Speaker 4: and then Lyditts. Pennsylvania is famous, always comes up in
Speaker 4: one of those best small town America blogs that people
Speaker 4: bring up to.
Speaker 1: All Right, I had Selena Zito on the show, so
Speaker 1: I also have a Pittsburgh trip in my future. But
Speaker 1: I don't think those two are anywhere near each other.
Speaker 3: Right, No, I was gonna say that I.
Speaker 1: Feel like about as far away.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 4: The one thing Selena and I would have in common
Speaker 4: is talking about the grind of the Pennsylvania Turnpike, you know,
Speaker 4: just time on the pl she takes the back roads
Speaker 4: so exactly it's the best reason to avoid it because
Speaker 4: the company is just so much better.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's uh wait.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I've loved this conversation. I've loved getting to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit and us here with your
Speaker 1: best tip for my listeners on how they can improve
Speaker 1: their lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think.
Speaker 4: Do something nice for someone, or reach out to someone
Speaker 4: you haven't reached out to in a while. I think
Speaker 4: that is just so important.
Speaker 3: I try to do that.
Speaker 4: It's always something like I wish other people did for me,
Speaker 4: Like to just hear from someone that you had to
Speaker 4: hear phone in a while. I think it's just really powerful.
Speaker 4: And do one nice thing for yourself every day, whether
Speaker 4: it's you know, go to Barnes and Noble once a
Speaker 4: month or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just touch her books, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Or go to Starbucks and get that seven dollar
Speaker 4: drink once in a while. I think I've learned through
Speaker 4: my mental health journey that coping mechanisms are just so invaluable.
Speaker 3: They are literally life saving.
Speaker 4: Just so just do one nice thing for yourself, and
Speaker 4: first for yourself and for someone else.
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