1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: People who have listened to this show for a while 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: know that one of my things is that I'm actually 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: really worried about people turning to AI to replace actual relationships. 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Friendship rates are down, people aren't dating, they aren't getting married. 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: All of this is concerning to me. And having this 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: AI outlet that people have now it's worrisome. I think 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: it's a real problem and it could lead us in 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: a really bad direction. There was a clip that circulated 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: on X of Mark Zuckerberg talking about just this issue 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: about how AI could replicate friendships, and he was kind 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: of talking about it in a positive way, about how 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: it can combat loneliness. Let's roll the clip and I'll 14 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: discuss it. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: The personalization loop kicks in and the AI just starts 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: to get to know you better and better. I think 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 2: that will just be really compelling. You know, one thing, 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: just from working on social media for a long time 19 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: is there's the stat that I think is crazy. The 20 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: average American, I think has I think it's fewer than 21 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: three friends, three people if they'd consider friends, and the 22 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: average person has demand for meaningfully more. I think it's 23 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: like fifteen friends or something, right. I guess there's probably 24 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: some point where you're like, all right, I'm just too busy. 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: I can't deal with more people. But the average person 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: wants more connectivity connection than they have. So you know, 27 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions that people ask of stuff 28 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: like Okay, is this going to replace kind of in 29 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: person connections or real life connections, And my default is 30 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: that the answer to that is probably no. I think 31 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: it it it, you know, I think that there are 32 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: all these things that are better about kind of physical 33 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: connections when you can have them, But the reality is 34 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: that people just don't have the connection and they feel 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: more alone a lot of the time than they would like. 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: So I think that a lot of these things that 37 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: today there might be a little bit of a stigma around. 38 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: I would guess that over time we will find the 39 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: vocabulary as a society to be able to articulate why 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: that is valuable and why the people who are doing 41 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: these things are like why they are rational for doing 42 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: it and like and how it is adding value for 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: their for their lives. But but also I think that 44 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: the field is very early, So I mean, it's like 45 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: I think, you know, they're a handful of companies and stuff. 46 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: We are doing virtual therapist, and you know, there's like virtual 47 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: girlfriend type stuff. But it's it's very early. 48 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: So I get what you're saying that people are hungry 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: for friendship. They're not getting it. Here's outlet for those people. 50 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: People want to have fifteen friends, he says, but they 51 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: only have three. Maybe maybe they have three, maybe they don't. 52 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: Maybe they have fewer than that, so maybe they could 53 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: turn to AI for that need that they have. But no, no, 54 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: you can't. If you have three friends and you add AI, 55 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: you still only have three friends. The AI is something 56 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: you spend your time doing, like scrolling. I mean, we 57 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: don't say Instagram is your friend because you spend two 58 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: hours on at a night before bed scrolling videos. The 59 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: AI could feel like a friend sometimes, but it's not 60 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: because a friend can take in your mail when you're away, 61 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: or remind you of a funny experience you had in high school, 62 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: or make you laugh by saying something ridiculous, or go 63 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: on vacation with you. This idea that oh AI will 64 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: soon do all these things too, that still won't make 65 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: AI your friend. AI will not be sad when you die. 66 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: AI I will not miss you when you're gone. You 67 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: get no actual feeling, no reciprocation. You get just the 68 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: simulation of feeling and know people are lonely and this 69 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: feels like, well, it's something. But just like online dating 70 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: is only useful when it translates to real life dating, 71 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: AI can never become something real. And every minute you 72 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: spend talking to let's be serious here yourself alone in 73 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: your room is a minute you don't spend out there 74 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: in our big, amazing, beautiful world with real people who 75 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: exist even when you're not typing anything to let them 76 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: know what you'd like them to say. It's important to 77 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 1: tell your children real is better. Real is the only 78 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: thing there is. Thanks for listening. Coming up next and 79 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: interview with Curtis Helck. Join us after the break. Welcome 80 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest 81 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: today is Curtis Helk. Curtis is managing editor at NewsBusters. Hi, Curtis, 82 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: thanks with you. I'm so glad to talk to you. 83 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: I love NewsBusters. How did you get into this world? 84 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 3: Yeah? 85 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 4: So, I think my first kind of peak was actually 86 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 4: when I was nine years old. I was in third grade, 87 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 4: and it was that was in peak, yeah, two thousand 88 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 4: presidential election. And you know, just as a little kid, 89 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: the notion that my parents explains that there'd be an 90 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 4: election and then then there would be a president when 91 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 4: you wake up the. 92 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: Next morning, and then there wasn't. Right as a kid, 93 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: you're like, you know kind of what you deal with that. 94 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 4: So my teacher, uh, missus Luck and Ball. You know, 95 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 4: we all have those teachers who really change our lives, 96 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 4: and she did. My third grade teacher, she set me 97 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 4: on a special assignment. The American Presidency exhibit at the 98 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 4: Smithsonian had just opened, and she sent me on a 99 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 4: project to cover pick four or five presidents. And so 100 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 4: I picked these really obscure presidents like most. 101 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: Do you remember who? 102 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 3: Yes, I did Gerald Ford, John Tyler. I think I 103 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 3: did Chester, Arthur or Garfield. 104 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 4: But then I did take FDR as like the more 105 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 4: well known president. And so that was kind of got 106 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 4: piqued my interests but really set me on the course. 107 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: Carol was. 108 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 4: The next year was nine to eleven. My birthday is 109 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 4: nine to eleven. Actually, wow, So I turned ten years 110 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 4: old on that day and I think, like a lot 111 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 4: of people, even adults who probably didn't pay attention to 112 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 4: the news very much until then. I know, my wife 113 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 4: has said that was when my father in law got cable, because. 114 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have a TV, and not until people. 115 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 3: Were I mean some people were news junkies and they 116 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: were really. 117 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: Invested in cable even then in its semi infancy, but 118 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: that really changed things. 119 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: And my dad. 120 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 4: I'm from Leicester, Pennsylvania, and so a couple hours outside 121 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 4: of New York, but far enough down. My dad who 122 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: did search and rescue on the side looking for lost children, 123 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 4: Alzheimer's patients, that kind of thing in the wilderness. He 124 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 4: actually was sent up to Staten Island to go through 125 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 4: debrief that was hauled over and he and his friends 126 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 4: were there for a few days looking for remains and 127 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 4: personal artifacts. 128 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: So between those two events. 129 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: That really got me interested in the news, wanting to 130 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 4: watch the news how it's made. I started actually reading 131 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 4: NewsBusters in probably middle school at this point, so I'm 132 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 4: a big fan of the work that I now do 133 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: well before that. 134 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: So so that was probably two four, two thousand and five. 135 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because that two thousand election is also 136 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: what radicalized me. I looked at a little back of 137 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: the envelope Matt as we were talking. Though I was 138 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: not ten at the time, I was in my early twenties, 139 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: and I sought out other Republicans after that happened, because 140 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: to me, it seemed very obvious that al Gore was 141 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: trying to steal the election. I was a conservative, but 142 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: I didn't care about parties or whatever. But I felt 143 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: like I needed to go find people to talk to 144 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: about this because I thought I was losing my mind. 145 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: I was like, this is the most obvious thing ever. 146 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: George W. Bush won and they're trying to steal it. 147 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, that was the moment for me too. And 148 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: then obviously nine to eleven, almost a year later, was 149 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: also a big, huge event in my life. I was 150 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: in New York at the time and I didn't have 151 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: a TV, and I watched it all happen on the 152 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: early blogs. I watched it on instapundit for example, early 153 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: early internet. So yeah, it's interesting. Do you go back 154 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: to Pennsylvania a lot? 155 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife and I My wife is from there too. 156 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 4: Actually we met down here in the DC area, but 157 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 4: she's from Lynnetts, Pennsylvania. So we both go up fair amount, 158 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: probably once a month, once every six weeks. Most of 159 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 4: our family is still there, cousins, aunts, uncles, her sister's 160 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 4: in New Jersey, but my brother's there. Yeah, we're a 161 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: lot of our family is still there. We hope to 162 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 4: one day move back there, but right now working here 163 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 4: in DC, and my wife works at a museum in 164 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 4: DC as well, So that feel too kind of limits 165 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 4: you a little bit Topaci's in terms of your options. 166 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a great place. 167 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: Do you have a beat at NewsBusters or do you 168 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: cover all kinds of stuff? 169 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 4: So in my almost eleven years, I've covered all kinds 170 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: of things. Primarily it started out as the evening newscasts 171 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 4: ABCCBSMEC because that's the basis for a lot of our 172 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: studies that listeners may see. And I also covered everything 173 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 4: into cable. I then watch Chris Matthews every night once 174 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 4: they became managing editor. 175 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: That was something. 176 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and and so towards the end of the last 177 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 4: Obama year with Josh Ernest, I started taking interest in 178 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 4: the White House Press briefing because there would be moments 179 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 4: when reporters would ask about certain things that were in 180 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 4: the news that weren't then being covered on the broadcast 181 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 4: at which repair was covering them on Fox but nobody 182 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 4: else was, and so that got me interested. I'm like, 183 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 4: why should watch these on a daily basis? So with 184 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 4: the advent, then if the Trumpet first Trump administration and 185 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 4: Sean Spicer, I started watching every day. I started watching 186 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 4: and consuming that every day before even Jim Acosta really 187 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 4: made himself known to the country. So I've been on 188 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: that beat ever since, and that's my main project. You know, 189 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 4: knowing who the reporters are in the room. 190 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: It's fun. 191 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 4: I've been told by different people over the years that 192 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 4: people in the room definitely care about what I tweet. 193 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 4: Ye they noticed when I tweek their question and when 194 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: I write about them, and they wanted they want to 195 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 4: be noticed. And I think I probably, unfortunately, maybe to 196 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 4: their detriment with their bosses, it helps probably humanize conservative 197 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 4: media a little bit. 198 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: That I'm a guy who's called balls and strikes before. 199 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely that there are certain moments, there are certain single, 200 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 4: singular days, like at least in the Biden administration, where 201 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 4: you know, I would watch a press briefing in the 202 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 4: press would do their jobs for that forty five minutes 203 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 4: to an hour that the questions from Fox news to 204 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 4: the New York Post were exactly the same and just 205 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 4: as tough as those from ABC, CBS, NBC, and so 206 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 4: I think it's helped the NewsBusters readership see too the 207 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 4: way the biased media work as well, that it's not 208 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 4: that for some of them it is entirely partisan and 209 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 4: they see the world completely differently than us. But I 210 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 4: think it's shown that it least for some of them, 211 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 4: it is a conscious choice. It is a conscious choice 212 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 4: to engage in what they cover and don't cover on 213 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 4: a daily basis. So I found that particularly rewarding, and 214 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 4: to in my tweeting just tweet the know who the 215 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 4: reporter's name is. And I think people appreciate that versus 216 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 4: just reporters right right. 217 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, again, everybody wants to recognition what does the average 218 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: American normy, you know, who doesn't follow this the way 219 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: that we do not know or misunderstand about the White 220 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: House briefing room. 221 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's pretty that's a good question. I would 222 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 4: say that there's definitely a process too. I think Americans 223 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 4: have learned a lot more with the AP situation in 224 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 4: the in the role that the AP plays kind of 225 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 4: as the gatekeeper for when briefings end. 226 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: And you were talking about the ap situation, just so 227 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: like a fill in my listeners, it's it's when they 228 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: refuse to say Gulf of America and they. 229 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: And remove them from impoval. 230 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: From the press pool. 231 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 4: Right, but they still participate in the White House press briefing. 232 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 4: But you know, because traditions said so, they always start 233 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 4: the questioning, so they set the agenda and then it 234 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 4: usually goes to the front row. But what Caroline has 235 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 4: done is go around the room. And I think that's 236 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 4: something that I don't I probably don't think a lot 237 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 4: of people may have considered or thought about. Right, there 238 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 4: was kind of this unofficial way of doing things for 239 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 4: a long time, but now it's completely changed where Caroline, 240 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 4: you know, and Kaylee did this too, and Sarah did 241 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 4: as well on the first arm nization. Yes, obviously you're 242 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: gonna get to the big TV, but there's a lot 243 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 4: of people in there. There's there's dozens of people that 244 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 4: cover the White House day in and day out too, 245 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 4: and they've got plenty of valid questions too about all 246 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 4: kinds of things. 247 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: So they sometimes have more listeners, followers, you know, viewers 248 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: than the major networks at this point, right. 249 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, the New York Posts, Daily Wire for sure. 250 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, a few others. They definitely have more readers. The 251 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 4: Daily Caller, so yeah, bringers, The Caller, Mary Margaret, the 252 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 4: Daily Wire, Stephen Nelson at the New York Post. 253 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: They do incredible jobs representing. 254 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 4: Their viewers and readers, which number, you know, at minimum 255 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 4: equal to number, if not greater than some of these 256 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 4: broadcast networks on a daily basis. 257 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, So why should it be only the broadcast networks 258 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: that get the questions? And I think Americans understand that 259 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: there is a new kind of media that has emerged. 260 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: It's not even that new anymore. Right, It's like podcasts 261 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't say blogs and that type of things. 262 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: It's been at this point, you know, a decade plus. 263 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: It's not like it just came out last month. So 264 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: it's interesting that they're getting a chance to actually ask 265 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: the questions and get to a different conversation than the 266 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: news media might want to have. 267 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, they can still coordinate their questions and stack their questions. 268 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 4: My boss, Tim Graham was the White House correspondent for 269 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 4: World Magazine the first few years of the Bush administration 270 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 4: under Ari Fleischer, and he saw that up close too, 271 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 4: that reporters could clearly were lining up their questions and 272 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 4: considering what each other was saying. That to the point 273 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 4: it almost seemed like it was scripted ahead of time. 274 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 4: So you know what we see now is, you know, 275 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: reporters can still ask their questions, Caroline still calls on them. 276 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 4: It's not completely being shut out. It's just that she's 277 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 4: mixing in different viewpoints. And I think to the misnomer 278 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 4: that people might have too, is the conservative reporters thus 279 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: far are asking tough questions. You know, Sager and Jetty 280 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 4: who you speak the Daily Caller Now he's on his 281 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 4: own independent breaking points with Crystal Ball, former MSNBC host. 282 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 4: He asked about Thomas Massey when President Trump called for 283 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 4: Thomas Massey to be primaried a few weeks ago, and 284 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 4: you know, he pointed out all of these things. Thomas 285 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 4: Massey is in support of and locks up with the president, 286 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 4: but not on spent a spending bill. So why call 287 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 4: for him to be primary? You know, that's probably not 288 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: a question Carolyn Lovett wanted to be asked, but. 289 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: He asked any softballs, Yeah, exactly, or Mary Margaret. 290 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 4: Last week, the Daily Wire asked about Hey, so the 291 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,359 Speaker 4: Supreme Court draft. 292 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: Opinion, Dobb's opinion leak. 293 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: Is the Justice Department interested in this because there's still 294 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 4: no answer these many years later? 295 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: It's interesting. 296 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you know, liberal media, legacy media may 297 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 4: think this is a very niche issue or not, but 298 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 4: it's not. It matters to a huge. 299 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: Their voice is heard generally in that room. Yeah, Mary 300 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: Margaret's been on the show. She's fantastic, And yeah, I 301 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: love that she asked that what would you be doing 302 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: if it wasn't this, If there was, what would be 303 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: the plan be for Curtis? 304 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 305 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: Actually weather was is something that I that was my 306 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 4: two That was my other track that I was interested 307 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 4: in meteorology. 308 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: I there's a picture. 309 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: Of sane job like Fox. Yeah. 310 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, my mom has a picture of me in my 311 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 4: playpen watching the Weather Channel, the weather on the eighths 312 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 4: the nineties graphics. I mean, people can probably hear this 313 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 4: and they're see it in their heads like that just 314 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 4: just completely you know, it sucked me in and so 315 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 4: I always just again it's part of I guess curiosity 316 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 4: about the world around me and extreme weather, how nature 317 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 4: can do this or do that on a dime, is 318 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 4: just just fascinated me. Math has been a little hard 319 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 4: for me growing up, still is. But so that would 320 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 4: be a little difficult because I very quickly learned, you know, 321 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 4: involves chemistry and physics, and he got a new geometry 322 00:17:58,920 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 4: and all these things. 323 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's too much. 324 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: I try to put that to the wayside a little 325 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 3: bit once I got deeper media in college. 326 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, media it is. 327 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot. 328 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 329 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Markowitch Show. What do you worry about? 330 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 3: Elf? 331 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 4: I think always my greatest fear is being alone. You 332 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 4: know this, Carol, And this is something. 333 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: That I I talk about. 334 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 4: It still my pin thread on Twitter talking about my 335 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 4: battles with depression and suicide. And it's coming upon ten 336 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 4: years since that really first came up. I think that's 337 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 4: one of my greatest fears. 338 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: I think I think we all want. 339 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: To be accepted, and I don't necessarily always care what 340 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 4: people think about me, but just knowing that I have friends, 341 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 4: I've always been one of those people that just has 342 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 4: a lot of like acquaintance. 343 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 3: I just know a lot of people. 344 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 4: But in terms of like world yeah, but in terms 345 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 4: of like close close friends, you know, it's tight or die. 346 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 4: It's all That's always been a struggle for me over 347 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 4: the years. So that's something that. 348 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 3: I think in the background my mind, it's always something 349 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: that I really really worry about. 350 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 4: Credit therapy, you know, the Lord, and a lot of 351 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 4: different circumstances God moments in my life over the years. 352 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: But that is probably. 353 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 4: Something that you know, when I'm like having a really 354 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 4: bad day or really struggling, that's something that that that 355 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 4: hits me. 356 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: That thread was so powerful. I think you gave voice 357 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: to what a lot of people feel and that comment 358 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: about you know, having close friends. It is an issue 359 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: that I feel like comes up on this show a lot. 360 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: I have people write into me a lot about how 361 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: to make friends or how to get closer to people. 362 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: It's tough, it's really tough, and it's it's getting tougher 363 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: with the phones and the fact that we're you know, 364 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: kind of a part. But it's so good that you 365 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: are aware of it and see it as a problem. 366 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: Whereas that I feel like I hear from a lot 367 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: of people who are like, I don't have close friends. 368 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: That's fine with me. It's good that you're like, you know, invested. 369 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: In it, name it in putting your putting a finger 370 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: on it. 371 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's one of the things about COVID that 372 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 4: just continually aggravates me. The social isolation that created it 373 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 4: exacerbated it. It was already there, but it just made 374 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 4: that even worse. And it's just the epidemic of loneliness 375 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 4: in this country. 376 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: That's right, And I just think where we have to 377 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: like identify it and do something about it, otherwise it 378 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: will obviously spiral. What advice would you give a sixteen 379 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: year old Curtis help. 380 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 4: That it's going to borrow a Dana Perino book. It's 381 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 4: going to be okay book title, It's going to be okay. 382 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: I in high school I struggled a lot with acceptance. 383 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 4: I was kind of a drama queen, drama lama of sorts. 384 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 4: And I think I worried too about friendship. That kind 385 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 4: of that point that I was just talking about that 386 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 4: really continued to grow and that it wasn't just that. 387 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 4: I realized it wasn't just me years later, so I 388 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 4: would tell myself, it's not just you that you're struggling, 389 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 4: or just because you're struggling to make friends at this 390 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 4: high school. You know, you go to the next high 391 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 4: school north of you, and you'll make lifelong friends. 392 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I didn't know. 393 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 4: Almost like how I met your mother's situation. My wife 394 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 4: was living her life. You know, we briefly. I ran 395 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 4: track for a few years. She was a D one athlete, 396 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 4: but we were at the same meets. I didn't even 397 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 4: know it, team football games. Our teams played each other. 398 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 4: She was there, I didn't even know it. So I 399 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 4: think I would tell myself that, yeah, that everything's going 400 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 4: to be okay, and that, like you're, the insecurities and 401 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 4: struggles that you see in yourself and others are valid, 402 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 4: and that your hard work. 403 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: Will pay off. 404 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 4: It's because, as your band director tells you, and it 405 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 4: is true, someone is always watching you in the best 406 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 4: way possible. 407 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: Love that How did you and your wife meet? 408 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 3: We met online? We met online through uh yeah, through 409 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 3: Hinge during COVID, And. 410 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: All the people have successful stories in places like Hinge. 411 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: Because a lot of what I hear is not success. 412 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, she's uh yeah, that's her friend made it 413 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 4: for her. I a few months earlier. I'd been on 414 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 4: doing that for years and years and years, all sorts 415 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 4: of struggles and you'll learn a lot about people. 416 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: And by doing that for a while, yeah, like I did. 417 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: But that's that's how we met, and we have a 418 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 3: lot of the same friends. We learned. 419 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 4: Her parents know even more people, which is crazy. So 420 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 4: they're about twenty minutes apart from each other. So so yeah. 421 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: It's yeah, you definitely have how I met your mother situation. 422 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: Would love to like see how you guys actually, you know, 423 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: just walked by each other at the meets or you know, 424 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: saw each other at the football games, but didn't really 425 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: realize it at the time. Do you have mutual friends 426 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: or anything back in Pennsylvania. 427 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: Or yeah, we do? 428 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: You do? 429 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy. 430 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 4: I knew some of her friends at Penn I met 431 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 4: a friend of hers at Penn State. One of her 432 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 4: teammates from track went to Penn State, and yeah, it's 433 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 4: it's crazy. 434 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 3: I knew a person from this thing. 435 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 4: And that's just what makes you know, just life so 436 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 4: beautiful it is, and particularly our area I just think 437 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 4: is really special, Like stir is such a very special place. 438 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 4: It's a really good place to raise a family. Fortunately, 439 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 4: a lot of people from out of state have moved in, 440 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 4: so we kind of have that problem. Yeah, but like 441 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 4: they want to get rid of Maryland, New Jersey, New York, 442 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 4: we're fleeing higher taxes, but bringing our policies with that issue. 443 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 4: By and large, it's still amazing place, outstanding schools. No, 444 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 4: that's why all my family's still there and my brother's there. 445 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: I love it. I'll have to visit. I don't think 446 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: I've ever been to Lancaster. It's is it homage country? 447 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 3: Yes, that is homage country. 448 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 4: But the misconception Carolly people have is that it's not 449 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: all farmland. 450 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 3: There is a Leicester city. 451 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 4: With you know, an art scene, a lot of restaurants, 452 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 4: and then Lyditts. Pennsylvania is famous, always comes up in 453 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 4: one of those best small town America blogs that people 454 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 4: bring up to. 455 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: All Right, I had Selena Zito on the show, so 456 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: I also have a Pittsburgh trip in my future. But 457 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: I don't think those two are anywhere near each other. 458 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: Right, No, I was gonna say that I. 459 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: Feel like about as far away. 460 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: Like. 461 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 4: The one thing Selena and I would have in common 462 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 4: is talking about the grind of the Pennsylvania Turnpike, you know, 463 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 4: just time on the pl she takes the back roads 464 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 4: so exactly it's the best reason to avoid it because 465 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 4: the company is just so much better. 466 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's uh wait. 467 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I've loved this conversation. I've loved getting to 468 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: know you a little bit and us here with your 469 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: best tip for my listeners on how they can improve 470 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: their lives. 471 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think. 472 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 4: Do something nice for someone, or reach out to someone 473 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 4: you haven't reached out to in a while. I think 474 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 4: that is just so important. 475 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 3: I try to do that. 476 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 4: It's always something like I wish other people did for me, 477 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 4: Like to just hear from someone that you had to 478 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 4: hear phone in a while. I think it's just really powerful. 479 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 4: And do one nice thing for yourself every day, whether 480 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 4: it's you know, go to Barnes and Noble once a 481 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 4: month or something. 482 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, just touch her books, yeah. 483 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, Or go to Starbucks and get that seven dollar 484 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 4: drink once in a while. I think I've learned through 485 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 4: my mental health journey that coping mechanisms are just so invaluable. 486 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: They are literally life saving. 487 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 4: Just so just do one nice thing for yourself, and 488 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 4: first for yourself and for someone else. 489 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: Love it. He is Curtis Holp. Check him out at NewsBusters. 490 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: He has such an amazing x feed. He really covers 491 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: so many different things. Thank you so much for coming on, Curtis, 492 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: Thanks Errol, thanks so much for joining us on the 493 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: Carol Marco which show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.