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Speaker 2: The journalist in me is going to stop you there

434
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Speaker 2: and say, Okay, what have you learned recently that makes

435
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Speaker 2: you feel more confident that John Harrington was telling you

436
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: the God's truth when he told it to you in

437
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one.

438
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Speaker 1: A couple of things recently, there's been some behind the

439
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Speaker 1: scenes discussions and activities of people within Washington, DC trying

440
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Speaker 1: to get in touch with John Harrington. They seem to

441
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: leave my story and are quite interested to hear his story.

442
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: Whether that has happened, I don't know. I'm not involved

443
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Speaker 1: in that per se. I think also, Bryce, you and

444
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: I did some research and we found an underground facility

445
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: in West Virginia. I think it was the Greenbrier Resort,

446
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: which on the surface is an actual resort, but beneath

447
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: it was a whole secret enclave and one of the

448
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Speaker 1: primary kind of emergency bunkers for a lot of VIPs

449
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Speaker 1: in Washington, DC. Almost like a whole underground city was

450
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Speaker 1: beneath this resort, and it was only in the late

451
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Speaker 1: nineties that it was opened up to the public as

452
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Speaker 1: a tourist spot where now you can go see what

453
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Speaker 1: that underground bunker looked like. So I think those two

454
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Speaker 1: pieces of evidence that there were people in Washington that

455
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Speaker 1: were quite aware of John Harrington and were interested in

456
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Speaker 1: speaking with him. And the fact that something he told

457
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Speaker 1: me actually at the time, I didn't know anything about

458
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Speaker 1: West Virginia and I didn't know anything about underground facilities.

459
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: The fact that checked out and there actually was one,

460
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Speaker 1: I think that gave a lot of credence to his

461
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Speaker 1: story and to my story.

462
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Speaker 2: By the way, when you were talking about that, I thought,

463
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, what would be a great sound, light and

464
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 2: frequency giveaway would be we have some kind of raffle

465
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Speaker 2: or something where we give a tour of the Greenbrier

466
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Speaker 2: facility so people could see where John Harrington might have been.

467
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Speaker 2: And by the way, apparently there's another underground facility in

468
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Speaker 2: West Virginia. I guess they were popping up everywhere, unclear

469
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Speaker 2: which one look. I take a great deal of pride

470
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Speaker 2: in my friendship with you just hearing this because again

471
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Speaker 2: for folks who we are recommending that you, if possible,

472
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Speaker 2: listen to the sound, Light and Frequency show in chronology,

473
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Speaker 2: because episode number one is called Party Crasher that is

474
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Speaker 2: about the JC character coming to this party, and then

475
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Speaker 2: the number four episode is the Man who Cried Himself

476
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Speaker 2: to Sleep, which is about John Harrington. And it does

477
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 2: help to arrow your way through it. You can drop

478
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Speaker 2: in anytime at any place, we don't care, but it's

479
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: if you want that full experience. So yes, Brent told

480
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Speaker 2: me this story in nineteen ninety four when we first met,

481
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: before Dark Skys was created, and in fact it kind

482
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Speaker 2: of led us into the relationship that led to the

483
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Speaker 2: creation of Dark Skies. Now recently though a couple of things.

484
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, when David Grush was in my

485
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Speaker 2: house and told his story for the first time to

486
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Speaker 2: Ross Colthart as a test practice, I did ask Grush

487
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Speaker 2: if you knew John Harrington, and he said he did,

488
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Speaker 2: but he didn't offer any more information about that. And

489
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Speaker 2: then later just last year, Ross Colthart called me saying

490
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Speaker 2: that David Grush was looking to get in touch with you, Brent,

491
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Speaker 2: which apparently has now happened. So all of this, I

492
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: think for people who want to go back to that

493
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: episode number four and listen to the long version of

494
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: the Harrington story, you should take it not with a

495
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: grain of salt. You should take it as what happened. Okay,

496
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: it's the evidence, the preponderance of evidence is that is

497
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: exactly what happened. And that's why Ross Coltheart who I

498
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: used to host Need to Know With has been following

499
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: the story. He talked to us about it when we

500
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: appeared on his podcast. I understand he's still talking about

501
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 2: it when we're not on his podcast. Right. It's a

502
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: big story for him. And people have said to me,

503
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: going back to the questions, I get the question, why

504
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: are you favoring Ross Colthart on the John Harrington story,

505
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: And the answer to that is we're not. We're not

506
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 2: favoring it. We're favoring soundlight in frequency. We've told the

507
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: full story here first, but we're not favoring Ross. Ross

508
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: has been most interested in following it, and as far

509
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, now that we've told our version of it,

510
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 2: and you've gone into deep detailed Brent. It's a jump ball.

511
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: Anybody else that wants to talk about it. They want

512
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: to interview you, they want to call you, they want

513
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: the details from your They should go ahead and do

514
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: it so now. Not favoring Ross or anyone else, it's

515
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: an item of some great interest right now and people

516
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: should talk about it. Which is kind of a long way, Brent,

517
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: but it takes me back to episode number one, Party

518
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: Crasher JC and the other question people ask, which is

519
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: where's the envelope and why won't you show it to me?

520
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to pull a Bryce and say before we

521
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Speaker 1: get to that, I want to go back to Harrington

522
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Speaker 1: for just a second place, because, like you said, it's

523
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: a topic that's out there. But I also want to

524
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: answer some of our audience's questions. Good came up, which

525
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: is first and foremost, am I still in contact with

526
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Speaker 1: John Harrington. I have not spoken to John in decades.

527
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: My mother has been in contact with his wife. I

528
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: know John is in his eighties, and I hope that

529
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: I do get to see him again at some point.

530
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Speaker 1: Another question that has come up that's harder to answer

531
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Speaker 1: is what do you think specifically made him cry himself

532
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Speaker 1: to sleep every night. Now, Bryce, we've talked about before

533
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: the nature of disclosure, the concept of ontological shock, and

534
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: so we don't need to go deep into that rabbit hole.

535
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: But I do want to just resurface something that I

536
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: said in episode four, and I'll restate it here because

537
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: it's particularly relevant today. And that is when I asked

538
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: him why this truth hadn't come out, or why it

539
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: wasn't going to come out anytime soon. He said to me, Brent,

540
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: this is a god fearing nation. If you take that

541
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: away from people, everything could unravel. Now what has happened

542
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: just recently as this new wave of presidential disclosure was

543
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: coming out, Apparently several persons were dispatched to go have

544
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: private meetings with pastors to warn them what was coming

545
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: down the pike and to get their flocks prepared for

546
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Speaker 1: some theological, ideological disruption. That's exactly what John said to me.

547
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: And John, by the way, was a Calvinist. He was religious.

548
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Speaker 1: So when people say, why would he cry himself to sleep?

549
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: If your entire belief system is shattered, your identity he

550
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: is tied up in your belief system, then you are

551
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: left with the existential question of who am I, what

552
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: do I believe? What is this world? And I think

553
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: that's a heavy bomb to drop on people, and obviously

554
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: it affected him. I think the one other thing to

555
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: consider is, and we referenced it before, the idea that

556
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: several people high up in the intelligence community have said

557
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: that it's somber. The truth is somber. I think anything

558
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: that impinges upon our free will, that if there are

559
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Speaker 1: aliens and they are in any way in control of

560
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: things to some degree, then it raises the question if

561
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Speaker 1: they're in charge in any way, then what freedoms have

562
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Speaker 1: I lost suddenly as a human being on this planet.

563
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Speaker 1: So I think those things are We don't have any

564
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Speaker 1: evidence that's what's coming, but that I would believe. Knowing

565
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: John goes back to his inability to protect his daughters

566
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Speaker 1: from an impending truth that may actually remove their free

567
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: will to some degree, or his ability to protect them.

568
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Speaker 2: His daughter's got a hall pass then on that because

569
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: it's been forty years, forty five years, and this ontological

570
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: shock that he might have cried himself to sleep about

571
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: didn't happen in that time. It may be about to

572
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: happen now. But it hasn't happened over that period of time.

573
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Speaker 2: I have a couple of Herrington questions that I've collected

574
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: here that I'm going to ask you. The first was,

575
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Speaker 2: do you think JC was sent by Harrington?

576
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that question. Wow, talk about a sciop.

577
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: Boy that would that is a layer upon lair. That's

578
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: the multiverse of PsiOps.

579
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Speaker 1: As the writer in me, the Hollywood writer in me,

580
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: I go, oh, that's a great twist. I did not

581
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: see that coming. But it's hard to imagine for me.

582
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: I think, in particular, knowing John the way I felt

583
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: I did, and that I do, the thought that he

584
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: would sigh op me in that fashion is hard to swallow.

585
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: I can't say it's impossible, but it's hard.

586
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: To I would ask you to look at it this way, though.

587
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: I don't think John Harrington said yeah, let's go get

588
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: Harrington and that crazy partner is I don't think that happened.

589
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: But let's remember also, Harrington was the Secretary of the Navy,

590
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: and the people who came to us said they were

591
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: from the Office of Naval Intelligence. So I'm not saying

592
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: that Harrington sent them, but there may be a sort

593
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: of center of gravity that he was part of, and

594
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: then the JC approach was part of. Here's the other

595
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: question that I just found online. No, that was very interesting.

596
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: Brand if you had a chance to see Harrington again,

597
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: somebody calls you up and goes, look, it's critical that

598
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: you go to John's house and have lunch with him. Okay,

599
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: and you show up. What's the first thing? Not the

600
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: first thing. The first thing you'd ask him would be

601
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Speaker 2: how are you feeling John, It's good to see you again,

602
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: or something like that. But what would you want to

603
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: know from him? Knowing what you now know and what

604
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: he told you then and at the time you've had

605
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: to think about it, what would you want to talk

606
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: to him?

607
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: I would want to go back and replay that conversation

608
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: that I had with him and go down a checklist

609
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: and say specifically what made you cry. I would also

610
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Speaker 1: want to ask him when I mentioned the notion of

611
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: this alien thing being such a huge deal, you said

612
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: the equivalent of oh no, this was only day three

613
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: for me. In the break, I would say, what else

614
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Speaker 1: were you briefed on? That?

615
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Speaker 2: By the way, is the other big question, because you

616
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Speaker 2: I even did a double take when you said that,

617
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Speaker 2: because I remember the first time you tell me the story,

618
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Speaker 2: and it was months being briefed, or maybe you had

619
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Speaker 2: a specific day number, but it sounded like months when

620
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Speaker 2: I first heard it. And then when you brought that

621
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Speaker 2: particular specificity out, oh that was day three, Okay, fifty

622
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Speaker 2: seven more days. That's a lot of briefing. What in

623
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Speaker 2: the world were they briefing him about?

624
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Speaker 1: And back to the question, were you crying because of

625
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: aliens and anything related to aliens or the other fifty

626
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: seven days? Right, And so I think that's what I

627
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: would home in on as once we got past the

628
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: pleasantries and the catchup from being apart for decades.

629
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Speaker 2: I just want to do a little quick sidebar because

630
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Speaker 2: the Harrington issue you brought it up, the whole disclosure

631
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: angle is what's happening right now with the Spielberg's Disclosure

632
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: Day movie and the government releases and all that. So

633
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: I continually get a lot of either personal mail or

634
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 2: people online saying, hey, you keep writing about They're dying

635
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: to me. They're like, you keep writing about disclosure, where

636
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: do you think we are on it? And by that

637
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: I think what they mean is the very first project

638
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: I ever did, official Denial, was basically a discussion of disclosure.

639
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: It was about there was a reporter trying to disclose

640
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: what was really going on and embedded in that. And

641
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: then when we did Dark Skies, Brent, we said, actually,

642
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: even before Dark Skies, I put disclosure into a Lois

643
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: and Clark episode, and then when we did Dark Skies

644
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: we really refined it. We said, we got John Longuard

645
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: our main character, and we got Frank Bach, who is

646
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: the guy that's in charge of the cover up for

647
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: Majestic twelve. But what was for me powerful and compelling

648
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: about Dark Skies is that Loan Guard's position was the

649
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: people deserve the truth, and box position was that people

650
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: can't handle the truth. And the reason I thought Dark

651
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: Skys was compelling is that they were both right that

652
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: people absolutely deserve the truth, and it may also be

653
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: true that we can't handle it, which is what led

654
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: me to my latest things, which was After Disclosure, the

655
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: book I wrote with Richard Dolan, which was one hundred

656
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: percent disclosure, and then Need to Know with coltheart an

657
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: investigative reporter trying to disclose what's really going on, and

658
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: now back with Dolan, I need to know, saying what

659
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: did we get right? What did we get wrong? Here's

660
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: my answer to those people who asked me where I'm

661
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: going with it, but more what I think is going

662
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: to happen, if indeed we are getting disclosure, and whether

663
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: they also want to know do I think that's happening.

664
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: And the answer to that part is I do. I

665
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: actually do think that it may not be easy, it

666
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: may be very messy. It may not happen on the

667
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: exact timeline that you're thinking it should, because certainly hasn't

668
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: happened on my timeline. When we're doing Dark Skies. I

669
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 2: was saying, well, I hope that this happens the next

670
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: decade or so so I can be here for it.

671
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: And I'm an older man now and I know my

672
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: timeframe is compressed. I wish that they would get to it,

673
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: but I actually think they are. And I don't think

674
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: that everybody agrees that we should do it. I just

675
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: think it's happening anyway, So I do think what's happening.

676
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: And for the people that say that want to know,

677
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: do you think it's going to work out? I think

678
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: two things. I have a bifurcated thought about that. The

679
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: first is, at the beginning, it will seem to have

680
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: gone better than we thought. In other words, instead of

681
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: just sheer onto logical shock and nobody's going to work

682
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: and people are jumping off buildings. I don't think that's

683
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: going to happen. I think that this slow drip thing

684
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: that started with us on dark Skies with the O

685
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: and I people seems to I don't know that it

686
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: was a plan, Brint, but it sure seems to be

687
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: an arc and that we have slow dripped ourselves, if

688
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: you will, into a place where people are aware of it.

689
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 2: I was at a fundraising event last night and people

690
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 2: at my table had no problem talking about it. Want

691
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: to know what I thought, and when it's going to

692
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: happen exactly, and how it's going to happen. So I

693
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: think it's going to happen and people are going to go, oh, yeah,

694
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: didn't I see Spielberg's movie about that, or yeah, well

695
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: I listened to a podcast sound Light and Frequency they

696
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: were talking. I don't think people are going to initially

697
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: freak out. But I do think that disclosure the way

698
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: it's gone down with the slow drip is going to

699
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: be unleashing of larger forces, because you can't be a

700
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: little bit disclosed anymore, you can then you can be

701
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: a little bit pregnant. So it's going to raise all

702
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: these new questions. The media, which has been somewhat asleep

703
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: at the wheel over the years on this, is starting

704
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: to wake up. And while the media is not as

705
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: powerful as it used to be, there's all the alternate media.

706
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: And I do think a lot of rumors are going

707
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: to go around that are going to be scary as hell,

708
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: and I can see Harrington's point of view. I'll finish

709
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: my answer with this. I've always enjoyed Doctor Strangelove, and

710
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: I always loved George C. Scott's Buck Turgetson, who, when

711
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: asked about nuclear war, answered this way, but I apply

712
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: it to disclosure, and he says, I ain't saying we're

713
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 2: not going to get our hair must Okay, I ain't

714
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: saying that we are going to get our hair must.

715
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: And I'm frankly, Brent, I'm happy that we're both alive,

716
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: we've had these experiences together and we can talk about it.

717
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: So that's my answer to that question, which is it

718
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: safe to go back into the envelope now?

719
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: Yes, I was going to say we've go forestalled that

720
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: long enough yeah. So in fact, let me circle all

721
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: the way back to the question about whether JC was

722
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: legitimate from the Office of Naval Intelligence, maybe even connected

723
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: somehow to Harrington. As I said, there's an aspect of

724
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: me that feels it could have been a sy op. However,

725
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: the formula that he gave us, that I in particular

726
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: sat on for years, we've already revealed in one of

727
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: our episodes that he gave it to us with a

728
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: specific request. He wrote out on a piece of paper

729
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: what we call the formula, this incomprehensible thing of symbols,

730
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: and he gave it to me in particular and said,

731
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: in case we don't make a deal, I want you

732
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: to put this in a safety deposit box for ten

733
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: to fifteen years, and at that time you can take

734
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: it out and then you'll know that I was for

735
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: real now. And then he proceeded to and I looked

736
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: at it. I didn't make any sense, and I said,

737
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: what is this? And he said, sound, light and frequency

738
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: secrets of the universe and he left. That was his

739
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: mic drop. As we discussed in one of our episodes,

740
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 1: I think it was unified field theory of conspiracies that

741
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen year period almost to the date resulted

742
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: in a search on the Internet that led from sound,

743
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: light and frequency to a connection to CERN and the

744
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: discovery of the God particle in twenty twelve, God particle

745
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: being a foundational element to quantum physics. Does that prove

746
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: that JC was legitimate? No, It raises questions about the

747
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: possible coincidence that he gave me something that turned out

748
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: to have a connection to something as significant as CERN

749
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: and the discovery of the God particle. So we have

750
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: to say that the world is a strange place. We've

751
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: talked about that before. Inside the phenomenon, logic and reason

752
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: are thrown out the window, and so this all could

753
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: have been an epic coincidence. On the other hand, it

754
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: raises the question if it wasn't a coincidence, how could

755
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: he have known? How could he have been nineteen ninety six,

756
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: written out something, given a phrase, and then walked away,

757
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: never to be seen again, only to be proven correct

758
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: on some level. Right then that goes to the question

759
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: was he a man in black? Was he an actual human?

760
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: Was there non human intelligence involved in all of this?

761
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: We don't know. So the enigma of JC is very strange.

762
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: Now to focus on that formula that he gave specifically,

763
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: that wasn't the end of the story, and part of

764
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: the reason why we are, in some people's minds stalling

765
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: to reveal what the formula is. I think it's important

766
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: to understand that it disappeared for years. So this raises

767
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: the question why haven't we shared the envelope with everyone?

768
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: At this point, before you answer why we haven't put

769
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: up the envelope, let's talk about why it went missing.

770
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: It didn't just disappear into the ether. You did, in

771
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: fact put it into a safe deposit box, and then

772
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: you moved from LA to where you live now got

773
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: a new safe deposit box. You and I went on

774
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: about our various businesses, and I hope people think that's strange,

775
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: but listen, we each had careers and families. We went

776
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: on and tried not to think about it again. And

777
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: twenty five years later, roughly, when I started to write

778
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: a book, I said I wanted to look at it,

779
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: and I said, Brent, show me this thing. And that's

780
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: when you realized you didn't have it anymore. Correct.

781
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: There came a point where when you were writing a

782
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: book and you asked me to get it so that

783
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: you could put it in the book. I came to

784
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: the upsetting conclusion that it was gone, that the place

785
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: that I thought it had been all of these years,

786
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: it was missing. There was a scramble. Boxes were checked,

787
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: I went through everything. In one of the episodes, we

788
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: actually already talked about this, But my daughter was home

789
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: from college and you and I Brice decided we should

790
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: pay her five hundred dollars to go through everything I

791
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: own to see if she could find the formula, and

792
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: lo and behold, after a couple days of digging, she

793
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: found it. Or charm what kids will do for five

794
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. But suddenly we had it back in our lives,

795
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: and now we decided, okay, looking at it with fresh

796
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: eyes after all of these years, we were equally puzzled

797
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: as we were when we first saw it. But we

798
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: then took the opportunity to start showing it very discreetly

799
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: to a few people and getting some incredible research back

800
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: on what it could possibly mean. So in answer to

801
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: the question why have we not shown it, why have

802
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: we not shared it? I think, just based on that

803
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: little connection that it has tocern and the God particle

804
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: tells you there's probably something going on with it. In

805
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: those intervening years when it was missing, several things happened

806
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: to me that were completely inexplicable. I think everyone understands

807
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: by now that's been listening to any episodes that I'm

808
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: not just an experiencer. I am a magnet for weirdness,

809
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: whether I want it or not. I think, yes, exactly.

810
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: And so a number of things happened to me that

811
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: I will be sharing in various episodes coming up that

812
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: at the time they happened, I had no realization they

813
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: were connected to the formula. It was only later, when

814
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: my daughter had finally found it, that I had a

815
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: realization that several strange things that happened were connected to

816
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: this piece of paper that had been missing around my

817
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: house for decades.

818
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: Okay, of course I was there when it was written,

819
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: and we looked at it extensively. When we had it

820
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: at Dark Skies, we showed it selectively to a few people,

821
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 2: and then it went into that missing timehole. Okay, and

822
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: when it came back out, I thought I remembered what

823
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: it looked like, but I was surprised it looked it was.

824
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: It was clearly the same thing. It was just this

825
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: little piece of a bank envelope with this writing, it's

826
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: clearly the document it is that. But I had sort

827
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: of in my brain things had been diffused over thirty years,

828
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: and suddenly they got very specific, and so I think

829
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: both of us were made to feel like this is

830
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: something we can do business with. Now we have the Internet,

831
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: we have thirty years of contacts that we didn't have before.

832
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: We have the ability to discern what might be there.

833
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: So we said about doing that, which is the right

834
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: thing to do. And the truth is people are going

835
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: to disagree, for example, when we actually we are going

836
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: to do a show about the envelope. And I may

837
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: dispute your cern connection, I may have my own connection. Right.

838
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: It's a ror shot test in some respects absolutely, by

839
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: the way, I'm not saying I am dispute. I'm just saying,

840
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: as we continue to think about it, and because we've

841
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: called this thing an active investigation, that what sound like

842
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: and frequency is that means we didn't want to jump

843
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 2: to a conclusion it just put it up and then

844
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: let every person on the planet start to argue about

845
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: it and diffuse it. We want to present it in

846
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: a rational way where we can say here's what it

847
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 2: appears to say, we've talked to this person that person.

848
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do a panel whatever. So here's the plan, folks,

849
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: this is what we've discussed. You can put this on

850
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: your calendars. September seventeenth, twenty twenty six. That is the

851
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: episode where we are going to talk about the envelope,

852
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: show the Envelope, disclose the envelope because it's the thirty

853
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: year anniversary of the week that it was written over

854
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: in my backyard here, okay, and so we're going to

855
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: talk about it, and at the same time we may

856
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: have a panel, maybe the two of us. We're not

857
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: sure what form that show is taking because we've got

858
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 2: thirty five others we've been producing. Right, it isn't that simple.

859
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: But one thing I can promise you you will see it.

860
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: It will be on that day, placed not only in

861
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: the show for you to look at. It will be

862
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: available widely. You'll be able to go to Sound Lightfrequency

863
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: dot com and look at it. You can share it,

864
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: you can give it away to people. You can put

865
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: it on a T shirt or a coffee mug if

866
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: you want. At that point, although that sounds like a

867
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: good idea for us, but anybody will be able to

868
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 2: do whatever they want. And I want to just point

869
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: out the precedent for this. A year before that formula

870
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: was written, while we were reducing the Dark Skies pilot

871
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: at MIAUS, I received two postcards. We did a whole

872
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: episode about it, called that we are Watching You, And

873
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 2: these postcards came out of nowhere, and the first one,

874
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: literally in all caps in dark ribbon from a manual

875
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 2: typewriter said we are watching you. Freaked us both out, okay,

876
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: and during the preparation for Sound Light and Frequency in

877
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: the same way that the envelope has turned itself up.

878
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 2: Those postcards were found in the boxes that I had

879
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: going through. But if you want to look at them

880
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: right now, folks, you can go to Sound Lightfrequency dot Com.

881
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: There they are. You can look at them. So if

882
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: you want to know what the precedent is for what

883
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: we're going to do with the envelope, same thing, same way,

884
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: you can go read the envelopes now, read a discussion

885
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: about it, go to the episode about it. You will

886
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: get that on the envelope. That's about the best explanation

887
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: and promise I can make that we're not sitting on it.

888
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: We are actively investigated.

889
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: I will also make the promise that when you hear

890
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: the rest of the stories connected to it, it will

891
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: give you a much deeper context to how to see it,

892
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: because I do feel that not only is it a

893
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: Rorshach test, and based on people we've shared it with,

894
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: people have come back with very different interpretations, so we

895
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: already know this for a fact. Secondarily, one of the

896
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: stories I will tell is that I believe it also

897
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: acts as a talisman. And we've talked about this before. Bryce,

898
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: you had a great quote about the more you stare

899
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: at the phenomenon, the more it realizes, it recognizes you

900
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: and stares back.

901
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: Right.

902
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: I think for everything that we've talked about, the formula

903
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: and JC were part of a phenomenon that were around

904
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: dark skies. This thing represents the phenomenon in some form

905
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: or another. And one of the stories I will be

906
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: telling is one late night when I was researching it,

907
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: my whole world unraveled. Now is that a coincidence, I

908
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'll tell you the whole story. And

909
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: that's just one of the things that connects some dots

910
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: that need to be understood and processed before you actually

911
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: try and make sense of the formula yourself.

912
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: We want to sort of head to the finish line

913
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: on this thing. We obviously could have answered many more questions,

914
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: but these are the essential ones. There are some other

915
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: questions that have come up that I don't think we

916
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: have time to answer, but they're about a particular episode,

917
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: and I would ask everyone to go check that episode

918
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: out and then we'll probably answer the questions that come

919
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: from that. And that episode is the one that we

920
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 2: just did about called Burn the Negative, which is about

921
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 2: how during the making of Dark Skies, the producers of

922
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 2: Men in Black through amble and told Sony they didn't

923
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: want us making Dark Skies. It's a pretty rowdy episode

924
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: and a painful one for the two of us to

925
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: live through. So I would say for those people that

926
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: still have questions about that, for the new people, go

927
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: listen or watch Burn the Negative, and then leave us

928
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: your comments and we will be talking about that later.

929
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 2: We probably each unearthed things that are a little more

930
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: mundane than the secrets of the universe, and let's at

931
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: least end on a couple of those which I think

932
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: might be fun. But the number one, of course, is

933
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 2: to go back to the Dark Skies thing. Where people?

934
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: Where can I stream it now? The other big question

935
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: is why don't you guys reboot it? Why aren't we

936
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: rebooting it?

937
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: The simple answer is we don't control the rights. Sony

938
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: controls the rights. I think if it were up to us,

939
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: we would reboot it. We've talked about this over the years,

940
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: bryce different approaches. Would we set it in present day,

941
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: would we go back and just continue the story and

942
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: we start all over again. There's a whole lot of

943
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: ways to approach it, and I think we would rise

944
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: to the occasion given the opportunity. We just haven't been

945
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: given the opportunity yet. That's why it hasn't been streamed.

946
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: People do want to Why don't you reboot? Why don't

947
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: you do a sequel? Why don't you do this? As

948
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 2: you said, there are multiple ways to extend a franchise.

949
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: I could see Sony turning it over to completely different

950
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: creators than you and me and saying, you guys, take

951
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: a crack at it now. What I wish they would do,

952
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: of course, would be to turn it over to us

953
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 2: and say keep going, which would be a lovely thing.

954
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: Don't know haven't been approached, but I do know that

955
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: Dark Skys is more on more people's radar because of

956
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: this very podcast, so maybe eventually it will happen. And

957
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: speaking of the birth of dark Skys, I just I

958
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: transferred a bunch of tapes BRNT for the for the podcast,

959
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: and just because I wanted to be able to have

960
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: the history and put some of these clips up on

961
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: our YouTube page, which again is hollywoodufos dot com. And

962
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: I came across the electronic press kit for Dark Skies

963
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh my god, there's an artifact

964
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: from the past, and so I put it up on

965
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: YouTube and I got an instant question from somebody, which was, dude,

966
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: what's up with the mullet? And it is true that

967
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: yours truly has a pretty extensive mullet in this thing.

968
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: And all I can say I asked my wife about

969
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: that today before we went on the air here, and

970
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: I said, what was up with the mullet? And she goes,

971
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: you were style conscious at the time, That's what people

972
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 2: were doing. So I'm going to take that as the

973
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: only answer. Maybe it's not the most flattering thing around,

974
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: but at least it proved I had here, I did

975
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: have hair. I had a lot of it back, of course,

976
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 2: but still had it, and I guess that's the silliest

977
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: one I've got. But by the way, all those clips

978
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: were finding them a new and we've got them in

979
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: good quality. So I'm putting up a couple of Dark

980
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: Skies clips per week up on the Hollywood UFOs dot

981
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 2: com site so people will be able to see more

982
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: of it, including the mullet. So what's your crazy question.

983
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: What's the weirdest, silliest thing you've been asked?

984
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: I think the silliest thing that I have been asked

985
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: is are you an alien?

986
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: I've asked that myself.

987
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: If I am, I have not been disclosed to yet.

988
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: No one has to been awakened like I have in

989
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: disclosure day, guys, exactly, no one has revealed that.

990
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: I think it's because so many strange things have happened

991
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: to me. People think that maybe I am an alien.

992
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

993
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: We'll see.

994
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: This may end the portion where we are answering questions,

995
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: but let's do a little forward facing here for just

996
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: a moment as we say goodbye. We do have a

997
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 2: full equal amount of episodes to what we've just produced,

998
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: and we've laid down a whole lot of story. Whether

999
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: it's the sort of the Dark Sky's chronology slash mythology

1000
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: or whatever you want to call it. But we've also

1001
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: looked at a lot of movies and ask ourselves the

1002
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: question where people approached by that, did this movie say

1003
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: something about UFOs or aliens that is actually true or whatever?

1004
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: What's your take on what we're going to be doing

1005
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: with the rest of the time available to us.

1006
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: Look, I'm excited about some of the episodes we have

1007
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: lined up. We're going to be looking into hybrids and

1008
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: under the title of Bloodlines. That's exciting to me.

1009
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 2: I know.

1010
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: We also want to do something with crop circles. We

1011
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: had a crop circle in Dark Skies. I think that's

1012
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: going to lead to movies like Signs. So there's some

1013
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: really interesting things coming up. One in particular is fascinating

1014
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: to me because I think it'll tie into some of

1015
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: my personal experiences, and that is with regards to missing time,

1016
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: both around abductions and really just missing time when you

1017
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: enter the phenomenon.

1018
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you focused on missing time and I

1019
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: can't wait to hear that story. But what's interesting as

1020
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: well as sort of a UFO film slash historian of

1021
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: this whole thing for our Missing Time episode. As an example,

1022
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: right before Betty and Barney Hill were abducted, the Outer

1023
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: Limits did an episode called the Balero Shield, which people

1024
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 2: claim inspired Betty and Barney Hill to think that they

1025
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: might have been abducted, and then, of course, a decade

1026
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: and a half later they He made a movie for

1027
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: NBC about Betty and Barney Hill called the UFO Incident.

1028
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: But guess what happened? Then, two weeks after the UFO

1029
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: Incident gets on the air, Travis Walton and his gang

1030
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: claimed they saw a UFO and Travis says he was

1031
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: abducted and that led to Fire and Sky the movie.

1032
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: So one of the things that we want to be

1033
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 2: doing with our active investigation is looking for these connections

1034
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 2: people haven't always made now here. We've just connected two abductions,

1035
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: two Missing Time abductions, Betty and Barney Hill and Travis Walton,

1036
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: but we've connected them through Outer Limits, through the incident,

1037
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: through Fire in the Sky. So we hope they'd be

1038
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: doing a lot more of that. I have just a

1039
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: couple of ones that are sort of on our work

1040
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: list here that make me interesting conforting. One of them

1041
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: would be to talk about how the two different comic franchises,

1042
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: Marvel and DC, which have made extensive movies and DV

1043
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 2: series about aliens, how they approach aliens differently. And as

1044
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: you know, I used to work with stan Lee and

1045
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: I had extensive conversations with them about aliens and UFOs,

1046
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: so I'm eager to tell those stories. And then we

1047
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: also are going to do an episode where we take

1048
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: on rock stars who have claimed some kind of UFO

1049
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: abduction events, and there's a number of them. Yeah. Tom

1050
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: DeLong of course is the most famous current one who's

1051
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: all over this, But my personal one is I love

1052
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: the John Lennon UFO siding from nineteen seventy four, and

1053
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: I'm eager to talk and tell that story. And of

1054
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: course the envelope, and we probably will throw in a

1055
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 2: Dark Sky's reunion or two, and there's just all this stuff.

1056
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: One of the things I know that we've talked about

1057
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 2: too is I think our title for it was the

1058
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: middle Ground between Light and Shadow, to talk about the

1059
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: twilight zone and the outer limits and very different ways

1060
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: that they talked about UFOs and so forth. Very different. Yeah,

1061
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: lots to come.

1062
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: So let me conclude with what is going to be

1063
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: one of my favorite episodes. In the second half of

1064
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: our season, we're going to do a sequel to All

1065
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: About w which was very well received, some great engagements,

1066
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: some wonderful comments. This time, we're going to be exploring

1067
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: things like missing time, out of body experiences, lucid dreams.

1068
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: But well, I have everyone's attention and we're thinking about

1069
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: the WU. I'm just going to give you one little story,

1070
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: a personal story that doesn't really fit anywhere because it's

1071
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: just so strange. But for anyone that actually listened already

1072
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: to All About the Wu, you'll remember the encounter I

1073
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: had with the Witch Rider or the Old Hag. It

1074
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Speaker 1: took place in a duplex that I was living in

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Speaker 1: the middle of LA back in the kind of the

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Speaker 1: mid to late eighties. That experience was quite startling and

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Speaker 1: scary in once everything was known about it, and it

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Speaker 1: really kind of shook me up in certain ways because

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Speaker 1: I had other strange experiences in my life, but nothing

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Speaker 1: quite so aggressive as that. So living in that apartment,

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Speaker 1: you can imagine after you have an experience like that,

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Speaker 1: anytime at night, you hear a bumper, you see a shadow,

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Speaker 1: You're always on edge because now you're thinking is it

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Speaker 1: me or is it this place that happens to be haunted.

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Speaker 1: A couple months after I had my witch Rider experience,

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Speaker 1: I was sound asleep one night and my roommate at

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Speaker 1: the time was in Santa Barbara staying with his girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: so I knew I was home alone except for me

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Speaker 1: and my cat, and at about what was I think?

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Speaker 1: It turned out to be around three in the morning.

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Speaker 1: I was awoken by a voice, and I described in

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Speaker 1: my witch Writer experience it was a voice that came

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Speaker 1: into one ear only, and it wasn't It wasn't an

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Speaker 1: audio voice. It was more just a telepathic or psychic instruction.

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Speaker 1: And all the voice said was Brent, quite emphatically, and

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Speaker 1: it woke me up out of a dead sleep. And

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Speaker 1: I'm in a dark room looking around. I don't see anything.

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Speaker 1: I think, Okay, I was weird. I was just dreaming,

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Speaker 1: so I put my head back down. A couple of

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Speaker 1: minutes goes by Brent a little louder, little more emphatic,

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Speaker 1: and now I'm sitting up in bed. Okay, this I

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Speaker 1: wasn't dreaming this time. Someone is calling my name. My

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Speaker 1: first thought was, Oh, it's my roommate. He's outside the window.

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Speaker 1: He's locked himself out. Maybe his girlfriend got in the

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Speaker 1: fight and he's back homes and Eardney thought, I get

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Speaker 1: up out of my bed and I look out the window.

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Speaker 1: There's nobody out there. That's strange. So I crawl back

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Speaker 1: in bed, and I'm thinking, what is going on? This

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Speaker 1: is just so weird. And as I'm sitting there, wide awake,

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Speaker 1: I now hear for the third time Brent, and I

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Speaker 1: suddenly noticed that out in the hallway, my door is

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Speaker 1: slightly a jar into a long, dark hallway with no

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Speaker 1: windows in this duplex, there are a pair of arms

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Speaker 1: floating in the dark, completely illuminated, and they are it's strange,

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Speaker 1: but there's the arms are wearing a short sleeve shirt,

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Speaker 1: so just a little bit of the orange sleeves are

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Speaker 1: showing on each of the arms, and they are floating

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Speaker 1: disembodied out in the hallway. It's three am. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at my nightclock and it's let's say three oh five am.

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Speaker 1: These arms are just floating there and they start to

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Speaker 1: move very slowly at first. And what they're doing is

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Speaker 1: I recognize, but I can't interpret. It's sign language. They're

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Speaker 1: communicating some form of sign language which I've seen in movies,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know sign language. I just recognize that's

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Speaker 1: what's being used. And I'm staring at these arms and

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Speaker 1: they keep doing kind of this repeating pattern of there's

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Speaker 1: a message that's trying to be imparted to me that

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Speaker 1: I don't understand, and the arms just keep going and

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Speaker 1: slowly they start getting a little faster. Now they're moving

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Speaker 1: a little faster, but it's the same message, over and

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Speaker 1: over again. And I'm looking at these arms transfixed, and

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Speaker 1: by now a minute or two has gone by, and

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for something new to happen, something else to happen,

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Speaker 1: but it's not happening. And now I'm starting to feel

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Speaker 1: both frustrated and oddly self conscious, and so I say

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Speaker 1: out loud, I don't understand, and the arms stop for

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Speaker 1: a moment, as if they heard me. The arms, and

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Speaker 1: then they start to go even faster with the same message,

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Speaker 1: as if faster is going to help me understand. And

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Speaker 1: this goes on for another minute or two, and the

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Speaker 1: arms are moving very fast, they're blazing with the same message.

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Speaker 1: And now it's been three, four or five minutes, and

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling very anxious and I'm getting a little bit scared,

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Speaker 1: like whatever this entity is wants to communicate something with me,

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Speaker 1: and I can sense its frustration and at.

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Speaker 2: What point I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not getting it? And the paranoid writer in me, of course,

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Speaker 1: is thinking, at what point do the arms just give

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Speaker 1: up and come flying at me and grab me by

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Speaker 1: the neck and start choking me because I'm such a

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Speaker 1: lumhead and I can't figure out what the message is.

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Speaker 1: And so as this continues on, anyone who's had an

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Speaker 1: experience with the phenomenon, something that's that intimate and in

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Speaker 1: your face knows that the longer it goes on, the

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Speaker 1: more anxious you become. And everything starts to build up,

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Speaker 1: and there's a tension, and it's just it's like the

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Speaker 1: the engine in your car when it's redlining, right, it's

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Speaker 1: like peaked, and you just start to realize, I can't

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Speaker 1: this is I can't take this anymore. It's too much.

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Speaker 1: And so I realized now by now the arms are

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Speaker 1: going so fast it's almost a blur of motion, like

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Speaker 1: an impossible blur of motion, like something speeded up when

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Speaker 1: you're fast forwarding, like on a videotape. And so I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking I have to stop this. It's been five six

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Speaker 1: minutes now and all I can think about is to

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Speaker 1: stop it. I need to get out of my bed,

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Speaker 1: move closer to the arms, and turn on the light

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Speaker 1: to my room. And I'm an adult at this point,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever been so scared in

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Speaker 1: my life to move four feet. I just I couldn't

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Speaker 1: do it. It took me several more minutes to just

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Speaker 1: screw up the courage to slowly reach out of my

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Speaker 1: bed and flip on the light. And when I did,

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Speaker 1: everything disappeared. It was all gone, and I was so

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Speaker 1: worked up. I don't think I went back to sleep

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Speaker 1: at all. And it wasn't until about two nights later

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Speaker 1: when I heard the same voice again, Brent, and this

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Speaker 1: time I did not look at my door. I turned

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Speaker 1: away and I went back to sleep, and I that

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Speaker 1: entity that whatever it was, never visited me again.

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Speaker 2: I thought the second time it was going to be

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Speaker 2: the entity doing the Macha rena or something, which really

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Speaker 2: would have been the Jokester phenomenon. That's a wild and totally.

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Speaker 1: Inexplicable story that goes nowhere, and listen.

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Speaker 2: That's a great story to end on. One final thought

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Speaker 2: first half of our episodes, thank you so very much,

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Speaker 2: that you might get out of this show. So we're

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Speaker 2: and again i'll just leave you. If you want to

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Speaker 2: to them at double speed. Just we're happy to have

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Speaker 2: you so brand. It's been a wild ride, and maybe

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Speaker 2: not arms in the hallway wild, but it's been wild

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Speaker 2: enough and we're not done yet.

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Speaker 1: No, this is a great moment to catch our breath

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Speaker 1: and race for the finish line. With some incredible episodes

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Speaker 2: Tell, We'll see you all in the Future, Bye Bye.

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