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Speaker 5: Hey, hey, hey, this is comedian Flame Monroe and welcome
Speaker 5: to this week's very special edition of Laugh Aliaring. This
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Speaker 5: very intriguing show because what we do on this show
Speaker 5: is we learn and we teach to understand each other.
Speaker 5: I'm here with my beautiful call host Bobby Clifford, who
Speaker 5: happens to be in the room with we. We shard
Speaker 5: a hotel row and we sleep in the same being
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Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: But we have a very special guest and I'm telling
Speaker 5: you this story is so powerful and so King came
Speaker 5: into a coffee time live a couple of days and
Speaker 5: maybe about a week ago when I was on YouTube
Speaker 5: because I do coffee time in the mornings, and just
Speaker 5: hit us with a story that we think needs to
Speaker 5: be shared with the world. We think people need to
Speaker 5: hear this story because we want people to understand this,
Speaker 5: that and the other thing, so many things that people miss.
Speaker 5: So King is here to share his story with us. King,
Speaker 5: we want you to introduce ourselves to our First of all,
Speaker 5: let's give a round boss with King. Thank you, Ki,
Speaker 5: thank you for coming on with us just to share
Speaker 5: your story because it's powerful and I want people to understand,
Speaker 5: especially the youth, of what you went through. So tell
Speaker 5: us about who you are, where you're from, everything, everything
Speaker 5: you aren't here for us.
Speaker 6: O King. I'm from Apolois's, Louisiana, So I'm a country boy,
Speaker 6: but I SI in Forward, Texas.
Speaker 5: Out of the MW.
Speaker 6: I'm a hard record. I'm a mother. I'm not a mother,
Speaker 6: but I'm a son of a mother with two great kids.
Speaker 6: Mama raised two amazing children. Mother Breda is more successful
Speaker 6: because you know, he stayed more on track, and that's
Speaker 6: my that was my goal to make sure he stayed
Speaker 6: on track. So I did it that part. I'm just me.
Speaker 6: I'm a loving, fun person who've been through a lot.
Speaker 6: I'm a trouna baby black sheep. I held a lot
Speaker 6: of things in because I had a supportive family, but
Speaker 6: I helped everything get out of fear and they I
Speaker 6: identify as a bisexual male starting at ten grade when
Speaker 6: I really came forward to knowing who I was as
Speaker 6: a million in this world. But I had a dysphobia
Speaker 6: issue when I was about six or seven because I
Speaker 6: was molested not only once, not twice, but three times,
Speaker 6: but three different people, my men and women. So it
Speaker 6: kind of made me confused. So that's what everything started there.
Speaker 5: So you you when you when you were molested, did
Speaker 5: you think you believe that it puts you to a
Speaker 5: place where you felt like you needed to transition into
Speaker 5: becoming a tras woman.
Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am. It started making me feel very uncomfortable myself.
Speaker 6: You know, it made me felt confused. I ain't know
Speaker 6: what to do. Why would these people put their demons
Speaker 6: on me. I'm a child. It really destroyed me because
Speaker 6: what child deserved that. None of us deserved that as
Speaker 6: an adult, because it happened in olhood too, But as
Speaker 6: a child, that's really hard for you to deal with
Speaker 6: that and thinking that you're done with one devil, another
Speaker 6: devil come, that they can do with that devil. Another
Speaker 6: devil com And that's hardened to what you want to
Speaker 6: tell your family. But then you sacrifice that putting them
Speaker 6: in trouble because they will kill somebody behind you.
Speaker 5: You were a kid, you know.
Speaker 6: So let me ask you.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this question. King, So you say
Speaker 5: you're molested about male and a female, do you feel
Speaker 5: like either having been molested by two different sexiests that
Speaker 5: you lean towards one more than the other because of
Speaker 5: the molestation.
Speaker 6: At times. I did at times, you know, through my
Speaker 6: teenage children, I would lean more towards women because a
Speaker 6: lot of women. Of course, like you said, I'm attracting
Speaker 6: young men, so a lot of women always was attracted me.
Speaker 6: So I would love women. So that that just came.
Speaker 6: Like when you said the other that wine come out
Speaker 6: the apple, that's just hey, that's what it is. So
Speaker 6: for me, I love women. You know, I know what
Speaker 6: a woman's are about. So I knew from jump I
Speaker 6: would never stop liking women. But I knew when I
Speaker 6: was finally came in to my truth. The community that
Speaker 6: liked bisex, they down bisexual boys but praise boys to
Speaker 6: say they're fully straight because they go all back home
Speaker 6: to their wife or you know, their girlfriend. That was
Speaker 6: weird to me. So I already had deal with some
Speaker 6: differences and knew it was gonna have some struggles. So
Speaker 6: it was always or I ain't gonna compete against that woman.
Speaker 6: But literally, you know, I like my men with for
Speaker 6: jiannas anyway, do.
Speaker 5: You feel like you were pressure to become trends? Do
Speaker 5: you feel like other people of other forces pressured you
Speaker 5: or do you did you feel that internally?
Speaker 6: No, because I knew deep inside I had an issue
Speaker 6: that there's something I had to deal with of me
Speaker 6: being me want to be trends. You know, I put
Speaker 6: it behind my head in the box. And when I became,
Speaker 6: I wasn't a club at fifteen, sixteen years old, I
Speaker 6: was in a gay club. I was a kid. Nobody knew.
Speaker 6: I had these ground adults around me and nobody knew
Speaker 6: as a job. My Mama trust me so much because
Speaker 6: I was working at fourteen my day. They told me
Speaker 6: that real men get jobs today age he was working
Speaker 6: at fourteen. So I wired there and got me a job.
Speaker 6: And through the work and I met a lot of adults.
Speaker 6: I had started condulging them sex a lot. So I
Speaker 6: started lead, you know. Six became my outlook of my trauma. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and I was just sleeping with women, but I would
Speaker 6: tell women the truth that I was also sleeping with men,
Speaker 6: and what kind of men I was sleeping with. And
Speaker 6: as I got older, I started seeing more men, you know,
Speaker 6: because then more I became my children. I would feel
Speaker 6: inside these spaces, you know, going to the gay club
Speaker 6: and you know, meeting different guys at store. You know
Speaker 6: how it go. So I started, you know, even when
Speaker 6: I didn't want to mess with me, and I started
Speaker 6: still messing with them still because I was still dealing
Speaker 6: with that trauma or what I was dealing with as
Speaker 6: a child.
Speaker 5: So going do you think going to the gate clubs
Speaker 5: and seeing because what you going through the drag shows
Speaker 5: back then, and seeing the treasures.
Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am. When I can tell you my very like
Speaker 6: So I was sixteen at club eving bowlegs. Like I
Speaker 6: told you one when I was outside to see so
Speaker 6: much was my gay mother. My mama knew bowle as.
Speaker 6: For my mama, thing was, I need you to find
Speaker 6: some kind of friends that can teach you about their
Speaker 6: lifestyle because my mother she was always afraid because my
Speaker 6: grandma's friend got killed in Louisiana by some men because
Speaker 6: he was gay. So Ronald was already scared already when
Speaker 6: everything he had hit. So when I became a transforman
Speaker 6: made her ten times scared. So when I was in
Speaker 6: the club at sixteen, Roquel Lloyd was the very first
Speaker 6: trans woman I ever seen, so beautiful, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 6: this is really a thing. I thought Roquel was one
Speaker 6: hundred percent born woman, believe it or not. Because I'm
Speaker 6: a kid, so I already don't know. But that everybody
Speaker 6: was like, man, she's a beautiful trans woman. So that
Speaker 6: she used to drop down and oh but her las,
Speaker 6: I like you do that, like you know some on
Speaker 6: my mind this started going like, okay, so this is
Speaker 6: the thing. I can really beat this type of person.
Speaker 6: So when I became a trans woman, I was imaging
Speaker 6: I wanted to be the transistor like miss Roquel Lloyd,
Speaker 6: because she had carry rested up with class and dignity
Speaker 6: and grace the respect that she got from everybody in
Speaker 6: the community. So I was like, Wow, I can really
Speaker 6: be this person. But I didn't transition, and I still
Speaker 6: put it behind my mind. I'm like, Nah, it ain't
Speaker 6: gonna work. It ain't gonna work.
Speaker 5: And then I.
Speaker 6: Became a transfoman at the age of like twenty one
Speaker 6: twenty two, back in two thousand and sevens when I
Speaker 6: started thinking about doing it in two thousand and eight
Speaker 6: is when I really say, Okay, this is what I'm
Speaker 6: gonna do. And that was kind of like one of
Speaker 6: the worst decisions in my life.
Speaker 5: I love that you said that you saw somebody else
Speaker 5: and it made it made you want to do that
Speaker 5: because this is what I think they're doing to the youth,
Speaker 5: because you see it and you think that it is
Speaker 5: what you're supposed to do, and you have to internally
Speaker 5: feel it, and you did have a great news. Rock
Speaker 5: Hill Lord is a fantastic female impersonator. She is one
Speaker 5: of the baddest in the business, that the best they
Speaker 5: are in the business. So I can understand even why
Speaker 5: that affected you that way because when I was being
Speaker 5: rock Heel pretty much of the same age, and we
Speaker 5: were doing the same time, and I was an admirer
Speaker 5: of Rockyl Lord, she wasn't the one that may be
Speaker 5: trans We were already doing what we did at the time,
Speaker 5: So I can understand how you were easily influenced by that.
Speaker 5: So at twenty one, when you decided to do it,
Speaker 5: was it your decision or were you That's why I
Speaker 5: want to know where you pressed it too.
Speaker 6: It was by then it was mine because I seen
Speaker 6: ra Killer sixteen, I already was you know, Bo adopted me,
Speaker 6: so I was around all the other ladies in the pageants,
Speaker 6: like the Jason Bonds and you know, all the top
Speaker 6: not So yeah, by then I still in transition. So
Speaker 6: I waited until I was praying about it, and I
Speaker 6: prayed about it, and then one day I said, Okay,
Speaker 6: this is it. So I did it because I wanted to,
Speaker 6: because by then I thought it was an age and
Speaker 6: I thought in my mind I had some kind of experience, right,
Speaker 6: But that wasn't the experience I thought. I really I
Speaker 6: thought I needed I needed more experience. I need education,
Speaker 6: is what I needed. You know by my purity who
Speaker 6: were really was into this and been living it way
Speaker 6: before me, to tell me the truth about the hard times,
Speaker 6: the good times and it maybe some real bad times
Speaker 6: you're not ready for, but this is realistically what may
Speaker 6: happen if you take this route and made shorts with
Speaker 6: the rock you want to take. If I would have
Speaker 6: had peers telling me Dad that I would never have
Speaker 6: went in transition. Honestly, I would have had maybe you know,
Speaker 6: saying just sat down with my family and rediscussed the
Speaker 6: situation a little bit better. But like I told you,
Speaker 6: I transitioned out the blue my mama that though my
Speaker 6: dad didn't know, nobody knew.
Speaker 5: So let me ask you, ken hold On by Man,
Speaker 5: I know you got a question. But when you transitioned,
Speaker 5: did you start taking female horn moms? Did you take?
Speaker 6: I had a uh since one woman who I was
Speaker 6: confident on it. She was my uh my manager at
Speaker 6: the time at Low's. So I went to her and
Speaker 6: told was gone on. So she helped me research what
Speaker 6: I had needed. So she had told me what was
Speaker 6: it seemed like y'all take fornere on vitamins, soins I
Speaker 6: started taking a to stuss round blocker. She said, you
Speaker 6: need to sutch wround blocker. And then she started helping
Speaker 6: me look for a doctor. So because she was like,
Speaker 6: you need to go to a doctor to get blood record,
Speaker 6: you know, and stuff to the list. Let us to this.
Speaker 6: So she was trying to help me the best way
Speaker 6: she could and be professional, you know, and do her
Speaker 6: job at the same time. So she had helped me
Speaker 6: get them them medicines. After that, I met a trans
Speaker 6: girl who I knew who transitioned honestly, but a little
Speaker 6: before me. At her younger ages. She was on black
Speaker 6: mircat homeowns. So I stayed on black micro homeawns for
Speaker 6: three years. And when I tell you, that messed with
Speaker 6: my inside so bad. When I used to pee, I
Speaker 6: started peeing blood. I couldn't. When I had intercourse of people,
Speaker 6: when I was trying to, you know, come, I couldn't
Speaker 6: come no more. Yeah, stopped me from So I got
Speaker 6: scared and I stopped taking black market hormos. And my
Speaker 6: brother said, let's go to the doctor and let's get
Speaker 6: you adopted. And I found a doctor and for work
Speaker 6: that took me off of everything. And she was an
Speaker 6: LGBT cute doctor and she said, you're not gonna like
Speaker 6: me if you want them trans girls who want to
Speaker 6: shop today, Because she told me that damaged your body,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna only give you natural her mown. So she
Speaker 6: made me do the cream, and that's how I started
Speaker 6: that journey and my home other.
Speaker 5: I love the fact that you said a biological woman.
Speaker 5: You said sis, so to our listeners that are laughing
Speaker 5: if you don't understand what assists me. SIS is the
Speaker 5: term for biological women. Biological women have always been the
Speaker 5: allies for the LGBT community. And I love that you
Speaker 5: said a biological woman took you and helped you research
Speaker 5: to find to help you who you are, because they
Speaker 5: have always been in our corner. And I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: And I appreciate that woman for teaching you and taking
Speaker 5: you to a female doctor. Bobby got a question to
Speaker 5: get in here, buddy, and so.
Speaker 4: I thought it was great that it seems like you've
Speaker 4: got family support throughout this, which that was one of
Speaker 4: my big things. I was really nervous for you, thinking
Speaker 4: that maybe you were doing on your own the black
Speaker 4: market hormones. May my insides flipped because you don't know
Speaker 4: the dosage you're getting. Did you have any permanent damage
Speaker 4: from doing that or did everything sort of resolve itself.
Speaker 6: On you with the with the doctor Gabriel, Well, I
Speaker 6: deal with stuff now. I've had two heart attacks in
Speaker 6: twenty twenty. I have an in large heart. I had
Speaker 6: a light struck from the brain last year, and my
Speaker 6: psychologist I still up to a psychiatrist therapist. I'm like,
Speaker 6: I'm still doing the work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still like some journey honeys for everybody.
Speaker 6: I recovery, you know, suicide recovery. I tried to cut
Speaker 6: my hands and you know I try to take pills
Speaker 6: when I was a transformer to kill myself. So I
Speaker 6: told I finally opened this to my mom and my
Speaker 6: mental health issues, and I stay committed in my therapy.
Speaker 6: I still commended to my psyched doctor, and she told
Speaker 6: me the last week she said, you know, I don't
Speaker 6: be honest with you them home all. They may ain't
Speaker 6: catch it with you then, but they can't catch it
Speaker 6: with you now. It's to say logically that people don't
Speaker 6: understand that or nor accept that. I'll believe that. You
Speaker 6: know that harm your body In the long run. Hormo
Speaker 6: therapy is not good. You know, that's just what it is.
Speaker 5: Especially when, like Barby said, when it's black market and
Speaker 5: hear me when I tell you, sweetheart, we all have
Speaker 5: taken black market privery. When I was young, we too
Speaker 5: used to take a novige that we got from a
Speaker 5: doctor and a hormone shot. It grew you breath in
Speaker 5: two weeks. It cleared your skied up, it shranked your penis,
Speaker 5: it did it just did just what you said. It
Speaker 5: stopped you for your ejaculation, so you would get like
Speaker 5: a drop if you got the drop, and you were
Speaker 5: if you were come in a second. So I understand
Speaker 5: all of that. Let me ask you this question, when
Speaker 5: you finally transition, did you ever find any joy or
Speaker 5: any happiness? And that.
Speaker 6: Yes, at the beginning of flame. You know me and
Speaker 6: my big brother was here the other day. I'm from
Speaker 6: my daddy song was talking about that. He was looking
Speaker 6: at pictures and he would say, man, even so beautiful
Speaker 6: on that picture. The reason why I say, for me
Speaker 6: I started, I enjoyed my transition to the beginning was
Speaker 6: because I had to support. I had a great gay
Speaker 6: family on this end who supported me. I had a
Speaker 6: legend of community who talks about HIV bolets didn't play.
Speaker 6: You know, hey, don't mess with him because hey, you
Speaker 6: do too much, you know.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: So I was around well educated people and the lifestyle
Speaker 6: and my family. I have an amazing family, my even
Speaker 6: my stepdad family.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 6: I always sometimes I can give the love and support
Speaker 6: that I have just by them accepting me as a
Speaker 6: person to somebody else in the community, because especially our
Speaker 6: skin content culture, because they don't really have that. That
Speaker 6: hurt my heart to see that. A lot of black
Speaker 6: people say, oh, my family don't love me. I never
Speaker 6: experienced that flame. I never had an experience. You're like,
Speaker 6: you know, so what made me had a bad experience?
Speaker 6: When I told you, I felt deep humanized as a person.
Speaker 6: And that was when I was working at those And
Speaker 6: then we had a bathroom situation. And then the thing was,
Speaker 6: I was supposed to be able to go to the
Speaker 6: bathroom once I transitioned, so I was doing everything professionally,
Speaker 6: so I was a manager at the time. So I
Speaker 6: went and I said, well, what I have to do
Speaker 6: to go to the women's bathroom? Because I got a
Speaker 6: situation with a man. He told me I was a
Speaker 6: dis race to my community, my culture, which is black people,
Speaker 6: and I should burn. I'm gonna burn in hell because
Speaker 6: of who I because I'm at a family store and
Speaker 6: they allow me to transition because I was ready at
Speaker 6: the store a year and a half. So I transitioned
Speaker 6: while working. I want to or it was a customer.
Speaker 6: So I went to the the supervisor. She said, well,
Speaker 6: you have to get breast and you have to have
Speaker 6: your name change. So I hurry up and got my
Speaker 6: name changed and I wait and boughy me some breasts.
Speaker 6: A year later so that I came to the big
Speaker 6: old forty four WT. So now all like, okay, I
Speaker 6: go to the bathroom. That didn't happen. I used to
Speaker 6: have to go to the bathroom outside at another at
Speaker 6: another company called some Mad Rental. If they at that
Speaker 6: spot was busy, I had to walk across the street
Speaker 6: to on the border and go to the bathroom. So
Speaker 6: the people in the at the job who did supported me,
Speaker 6: they was getting heat from the people who was working
Speaker 6: because they didn't they didn't understand like how one day
Speaker 6: I was accepted and the next day I was not
Speaker 6: accepted at all. Like that was weird for me and
Speaker 6: of some of the people, and it made me feel
Speaker 6: like I was just dehumanized, like what person like, especially
Speaker 6: though I already been through as a kid and all
Speaker 6: the stuff I've been through, Why do I have to
Speaker 6: like go outside to the bathroom. Why do I have
Speaker 6: to go to another building? Because I understand, trust me,
Speaker 6: my mamad woman. I know, I know that women are comfortable.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 6: But I still wanted to feel like a human and
Speaker 6: when that was taken away from me, it made me
Speaker 6: really mentally break down and I was like, what's next, God,
Speaker 6: what's next?
Speaker 5: Yeah? No, I think that that was terrible. First of all,
Speaker 5: that the customers would come in and be allowed to
Speaker 5: even say stuff like that, But you have the control
Speaker 5: over customers. I do want to give accommendation to the
Speaker 5: Low's employees that did accept you, because not every job
Speaker 5: will let you start one way and then transition wilde.
Speaker 5: So that is a great thing that they did that.
Speaker 5: So hats off to that company for that. It's sad
Speaker 5: that you had to go through that, but you know,
Speaker 5: there are ignorant people in the world and what comes
Speaker 5: with being the transfers sometimes, especially in the Deep South
Speaker 5: where you were in Mississippi or was it Louisiana.
Speaker 6: All this happened in Texas. I'm not here in Texas.
Speaker 5: Or in Texas. Yeah, when you and you're still in
Speaker 5: the South, which is still the Bible Bell.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: A lot of people have their own philosophies and their
Speaker 5: ideologies and their religion, and religion is something that it's
Speaker 5: really need to be dealt with when it comes down
Speaker 5: to the LGBT community in a different way, it is
Speaker 5: coming around. I'm glad you survived that. Thank you for
Speaker 5: being a strong survivor to get through that, because a
Speaker 5: lot of people would have been broken by that.
Speaker 6: Oh, I tell you, hours off broken. I didn't go
Speaker 6: to work, you know, I want they want up, I
Speaker 6: want up. Look my job which was a setup because
Speaker 6: of how everything couse. My store manager, he really got
Speaker 6: tired of dealing with it. So a SITI what I
Speaker 6: could have fought, I just let go because I just
Speaker 6: really wanted to just feel human again. And when you
Speaker 6: don't feel human, im or.
Speaker 5: What do you do?
Speaker 6: You go into a dark space where you're already as
Speaker 6: a kid, want to kill yourself because you've been bounced around,
Speaker 6: touch around, you don't know what to do. So then
Speaker 6: as an adult you're dealing with the disrespect and the
Speaker 6: disrights from other people that you thought, well should respect
Speaker 6: you because you respect everybody else. So when I left
Speaker 6: that job, I took out for a month and I'll
Speaker 6: when I was looking up jobs that was LGBTQ friendly,
Speaker 6: so I found why weren't. And I can't say when
Speaker 6: I went there. I went there and I used to
Speaker 6: tell people this, You don't have to call me a
Speaker 6: he You don't gotta call me a sheep, but call
Speaker 6: me by my name that I paid for because I
Speaker 6: ironed it. That's what I paid for. And it made
Speaker 6: people really gravitate to me, and they started saying, you
Speaker 6: know what, you a different trans woman. The other ones
Speaker 6: I an't meaning for. I'm like, but I said, because
Speaker 6: I respect people, I just want us to respect each other.
Speaker 6: You respect me. But I do know that not everybody
Speaker 6: going to a line or a sign with this lifestyle,
Speaker 6: not everybody going to understand it. And they have the
Speaker 6: rights to that. They don't even have to be in
Speaker 6: the same room with you or accept it. They have
Speaker 6: the rights to that law. They don't disrespect you. And
Speaker 6: that's where it comes to a problem when people start
Speaker 6: disrespecting each other. I was disrespected that Walmart so much
Speaker 6: that my mama used to have to come up there
Speaker 6: and hold meet or her big child. And I'm crying
Speaker 6: because I was started getting harassed by associate up there,
Speaker 6: and they let it go on for three months, and
Speaker 6: the social kept going around disrespecting me, and the people
Speaker 6: who was respecting me, they would say, hey, don't disrespect
Speaker 6: her like that. Mind these people calling me her, don't
Speaker 6: disrespect her like that. You know, she a hard record,
Speaker 6: like you don't even know her. But the girl kept
Speaker 6: going and disrespecting me, and mind you already going through
Speaker 6: my mind going through suicide. So I'm like, God, this
Speaker 6: is second job. I didn't be able to Why keep
Speaker 6: going through this?
Speaker 5: It's like, what is it?
Speaker 6: And then I saw her saying, you know what, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna have to either kill myself, sell myself a due
Speaker 6: porn and disrespecting my whole my family because this all
Speaker 6: the way that trans people you live. From what I
Speaker 6: was a KnowledgeR or seen her or heard.
Speaker 5: That that, that just hurt me. And really, I promise you,
Speaker 5: as a trans woman myself and I know exactly what
Speaker 5: you mean. That just hurt me to my core because
Speaker 5: you feel invisible. I know exactly how you felt. Invisible,
Speaker 5: and people will walk over you and take advantage you.
Speaker 5: And I know the low points and I know the
Speaker 5: high points. What what at what point after going through
Speaker 5: all this, all the jobs you said you were transport
Speaker 5: for eleven.
Speaker 6: Years, almost eleven yes, ma'am.
Speaker 5: What what was the straw that broke the camels back
Speaker 5: to make you say, hey, I'm not happy. I want
Speaker 5: to transition.
Speaker 6: When I went to my close friend and she was
Speaker 6: like my play wife, and I told her I don't
Speaker 6: want I love past thirty. Oh god, that's the best thing. Yes,
Speaker 6: She said, why why you're all love past thirty? Frank,
Speaker 6: everybody love you ship. I said, Man, I don't love
Speaker 6: myself no more. I take you listen. I'm i gon
Speaker 6: mark a community because I understand this trouble. So I'm
Speaker 6: not gonna carry this legacy that I can't live no more.
Speaker 6: I got all the greatest people bolets. I know, all
Speaker 6: the people make dresses could have made me be the
Speaker 6: trans woman I desire to be. I had that support.
Speaker 6: But if I don't love me no more than what
Speaker 6: I do, I had to be transitioned because I told
Speaker 6: her I can't into my mama except I'm gonna give
Speaker 6: my friends tough because I can't do this, How get
Speaker 6: a live home and be this person? And I go on, Mama,
Speaker 6: why you din abort me when I was juggling because
Speaker 6: I I don't want to link this life confusion. It's
Speaker 6: not fair. I don't want to. I don't want to
Speaker 6: deal with that or I have to deal with that,
Speaker 6: because I was wanting to respect people when I was
Speaker 6: in that community. Bod and them, we respected each other
Speaker 6: when we see trans worm it was your hell hell ma'am, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 6: We respect each other. We know what's supper. We respect
Speaker 6: each other. Outdated trans women. While you come around my family,
Speaker 6: gonna respect you as a woman like day of transmitting,
Speaker 6: Gonna respect you for what it is because they ride
Speaker 6: with me. So when I come from respect and I
Speaker 6: get disrespected, that bothers me. And that was that was it.
Speaker 6: When I lost my job at Walmart and some stuff
Speaker 6: I can't speak on here, so I had to talk
Speaker 6: to them the phone about that. When I lost that job. Yes,
Speaker 6: I was out fighting because I was gonna either I
Speaker 6: promise you I was gonna either kill myself or or
Speaker 6: I was prostitution or escort. What else can a trans
Speaker 6: girl like me do I could just use what I
Speaker 6: got to get what I want.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, here's a great big club for
Speaker 5: me and Bobby, because I love that you're just open
Speaker 5: to us and listen, we hear you, and I tell
Speaker 5: you your story is not so different from so many
Speaker 5: other transhare because what we feel this unseen, and so
Speaker 5: many of us has questioned our mortality. Myself included, God,
Speaker 5: why don't you make me? Why were I born it?
Speaker 5: But you knew I was going to be like this
Speaker 5: because there's so many hardships that we miss and this,
Speaker 5: this younger demographic of trans women right now just seem
Speaker 5: like they've created another wall and we all go through
Speaker 5: the same struggle. We questioned our own mortality of why
Speaker 5: was that born like this? I would rather have not
Speaker 5: been born. If you were born for a purpose. King
Speaker 5: know that you have a purpose at a reason. Your
Speaker 5: story today is going to help somebody who is in
Speaker 5: the same situation or even worse than where you are.
Speaker 5: We want to thank you here just to say that
Speaker 5: we're not deal with this interview. I just want you
Speaker 5: to know that over here you are appreciated, and I
Speaker 5: thank you. Bobby. You absolutely the white woman is telling
Speaker 5: you that you appreciate Why don't I tell you appreciate
Speaker 5: you appreciate it?
Speaker 4: Ain't I keep thinking of the interview from a from
Speaker 4: a mom's point of view, and that's sort of how
Speaker 4: I went into this because I'm thinking, if it was
Speaker 4: my son, how oh you know, but it sounds like
Speaker 4: your family did support you. How could I better support you?
Speaker 4: If if it's a new generation of trans kids that
Speaker 4: are coming, what advice would you have for them?
Speaker 6: Well, if you a kid, don't transition, you know, I
Speaker 6: would think. I don't think no children should be a
Speaker 6: lot of transition at all. I've been advocate toys that
Speaker 6: when I transition, there's a lot of stuff I do
Speaker 6: not adjust to agree with. You know, I believe that
Speaker 6: it should be, you know, a trans athlete for just
Speaker 6: trans athletes, so they can compete against each other, have
Speaker 6: fun against each other. That's the excitement of being who
Speaker 6: God made you. You say this to God made you,
Speaker 6: asking us, Okay, that's the difference of being you. I
Speaker 6: would tell a trans people to get somebody your coner.
Speaker 6: If that's how you feel, be open about it, but
Speaker 6: don't just go to your family. Don't go to a therapist,
Speaker 6: go to somebody who's experienced, Go get you a mentor.
Speaker 6: They don't have no I didn't see no supported mentor
Speaker 6: Big Brother, Big Sister, Big transits to Big Brother programs
Speaker 6: in the LGBT community. I didn't see that. I'm looking
Speaker 6: for it, I never found it. To the fact that
Speaker 6: I wanted.
Speaker 4: To maybe came. Maybe maybe that's something that you should
Speaker 4: be doing, was.
Speaker 6: To create these groups because who know who know you?
Speaker 6: Which people who's supposed to be around you and like
Speaker 6: mind they like you because y'all said similar to sleeping
Speaker 6: or being different, that's cool. That's okay, So you different,
Speaker 6: that's cool. But you have to go get you a mentor.
Speaker 6: The counselor gonna tell you, Yeah, this is right, a
Speaker 6: mentor gonna tell you the truth. Baby, This is why
Speaker 6: I went to Let me show you my pictures of
Speaker 6: the other times when I wasn't passable. Let me show
Speaker 6: you the truth. Are the times that, hey, my my
Speaker 6: surgeon didn't go right, or my silicon ingestions leak out
Speaker 6: of my cheek. Let me take you the truth when
Speaker 6: I had to go to the doctor, tell them the truth.
Speaker 6: Bef for the dramatic changes and once again do not
Speaker 6: transition out of child wright till you're eighteen. I mean,
Speaker 6: that's the only thing I could tell him, because at
Speaker 6: the end of the day, I have also a lot
Speaker 6: of these kids. Now I'm gonna do what they want
Speaker 6: to do because their parents allowing on them do so much.
Speaker 6: But their parents do not need to allow them to
Speaker 6: start cutting they stuff and taking hormones and wander well weed.
Speaker 6: I see the loved water to day was ten years
Speaker 6: old on Walmar he had a twelve inch we gone
Speaker 6: and nail zone. And now mom was like, I don't
Speaker 6: know what's going on no more.
Speaker 5: And I always say that, King, I love that you
Speaker 5: say that, because I always say, who is the parent
Speaker 5: in your house? I want my children to be happy
Speaker 5: that if any of my children turned out to be trains,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna roll with it. But they will not get
Speaker 5: any kind of medical anything until after, like you said,
Speaker 5: at the age of eighteen, because and that to me,
Speaker 5: I personally think that's still too young because the money
Speaker 5: hasn't truly developed. But at that point they considered pretty
Speaker 5: grown according to Society societ.
Speaker 6: I did watch eighteen to Society, they've grown, but eighteen
Speaker 6: is too young still, Yeah, I was, hey, I was
Speaker 6: twenty twenty two, you know, but some trans girls been
Speaker 6: started that young and being fifteen years plus. That's how
Speaker 6: why you gonna still well and get experienced.
Speaker 5: From I want to ask you what what entailed D transitioning?
Speaker 5: What kind of what process was that? What was the
Speaker 5: process of D transitioning?
Speaker 6: You know what I thought once I once I took
Speaker 6: off that, I was like, Okay, it's gonna be better.
Speaker 6: Right mentally, sheet I went to in the now, I'm
Speaker 6: maybe thinking I made the wrong decision because all the
Speaker 6: money I spent, you know, I spent a lot of
Speaker 6: money being that girl. So I was like, name, I
Speaker 6: waste all my money. So then I look at my chest.
Speaker 6: When I took my infants out, I still had a
Speaker 6: whole sea cup. So every day I'm looking in the
Speaker 6: mirrors and me and I'm like, lord, I thought I
Speaker 6: thought this was gone. I thought this was gone right,
Speaker 6: And I started dealing with depression deeper because I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: so now I got don't have another surgeon, So now
Speaker 6: I gotta spend money on search. So I had two
Speaker 6: more surgeons prior to my impluts taking out, So now
Speaker 6: I got the trans men squards that were people call them, Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's ready people squars, uh, because I had them implants
Speaker 6: and that was so big and I had them in
Speaker 6: for so long that I had so much loose skin
Speaker 6: that that made me more depressed that like name. That's
Speaker 6: why I started thinking that I made the right decisions
Speaker 6: because now I got to deal with this and I
Speaker 6: had the welcompression the shirts, and I was uncomfortable. I
Speaker 6: started being uncomfortable. Man, how about today?
Speaker 4: Are you happy today?
Speaker 6: Honey?
Speaker 4: Do you fight any happiness today?
Speaker 6: I'm happy. I have my days when it none. Just
Speaker 6: want to come down to just not the transition, just overall.
Speaker 6: I'm just trying to find my place. That my place
Speaker 6: in this world were, to find my journey in this
Speaker 6: world and to find my courage in my life because
Speaker 6: I love them. I lost my life when I need
Speaker 6: transition because I had this flame to be a great
Speaker 6: trans woman and I feel like I felt at that
Speaker 6: I feel like I have failed the trans community. Right.
Speaker 6: But then I had one trans girl tell me, she said, baby,
Speaker 6: I'm proud of you because many of them girls don't
Speaker 6: make it out.
Speaker 5: Yes, and the courage, the courage that it takes to
Speaker 5: do that was. Let me let me tell you something
Speaker 5: that that was courage, baby. It's courage to step to
Speaker 5: think that you want to be one thing and then
Speaker 5: you change your magict. That is the courage because you
Speaker 5: are so easily influenced it. But like you said about
Speaker 5: a group around you, So I'm glad that God implanted
Speaker 5: common sense trans women around you to let you know
Speaker 5: that you were okay, whether you were transgender or not transgender.
Speaker 5: That is what we have to surround ourselves with people
Speaker 5: who have a common sense knowledge of happiness, sees everything else,
Speaker 5: everything else, you just need to help you. I applaud you,
Speaker 5: and I applaud the women, the trans women in your
Speaker 5: life that saw your heart and not what they wanted
Speaker 5: you to be.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they was great. You know. The one of
Speaker 6: the few that I had was great. It was when
Speaker 6: I de transition and when I got on Facebook and
Speaker 6: post my d transition. That's when I was attacked by
Speaker 6: other trans people online. I was confused.
Speaker 5: Then.
Speaker 6: That's why I told you I had to deact, just
Speaker 6: disappear because I'm like, wait a minute now, So I
Speaker 6: thought I was at least doing something to better meat.
Speaker 6: So I'm not if I don't say this person. You
Speaker 6: feel that I want this racing line to the community.
Speaker 6: You feel that I don't deserve to even say nothing
Speaker 6: about trans rights and trans anything. Are you feel that, hey,
Speaker 6: I don't mind no more because at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, I did something that you don't approve because
Speaker 6: I didn't stay like you, and you feel that, hey,
Speaker 6: I'm the reason why people in this world don't like you.
Speaker 6: They ain't got nothing to do to me. But I
Speaker 6: got told my mother it was you flying. I'll be
Speaker 6: looking at you for a while.
Speaker 5: And.
Speaker 6: They all self recently, it took me a lot to
Speaker 6: write you. I've been writing people, you know. I tried
Speaker 6: to reach out to be transition trans me and they
Speaker 6: shut me down, don't want to talk about it. And
Speaker 6: I was okay with that. Anybody got their own journey.
Speaker 6: But we got a purpose in this world. And I
Speaker 6: you know, at first, I used to look at tears
Speaker 6: Messine a lot. I got a test with somebody here
Speaker 6: say that there'd be more transfoman like you're in tears
Speaker 6: mess when I was on Facebook. But people say things
Speaker 6: that you look at them sideways and you stopped looking
Speaker 6: up or just look at them as inspiration. And I
Speaker 6: started following you more. And I remember twenty nineteen when
Speaker 6: that interview came out and I threw my phone and
Speaker 6: I say, God, this is the person who I needed.
Speaker 6: And I'm gonna be okay, because God, I'm gonna meet
Speaker 6: this person one day. We're gonna just sit down and
Speaker 6: have a decent guy mysation. But it's your time in God.
Speaker 6: So I've been manifesting this to tween nineteen to even
Speaker 6: sit down with you, because I say, well, Lord, out
Speaker 6: of anybody in the community, who could I talk to
Speaker 6: to me? You like the Oprah of the transcommunity because
Speaker 6: you come in neutral and you're coming as you are.
Speaker 6: First of all, you a parent, so you always got
Speaker 6: your paring hat on first. And I told Mama, I'm
Speaker 6: minded in Flame because Flame is a parent first. Ain't
Speaker 6: anybody this lifestyle ain't about the transition. Flame as a
Speaker 6: parent first. And when you're a parent first, you have
Speaker 6: a duty in this world and it's bigger than you,
Speaker 6: and it's bigger than your kids. So when I see
Speaker 6: that you love your childre your children love you, And
Speaker 6: I said, well, Lord, the community hate hr, I said,
Speaker 6: but you know what, they hated me too, So I
Speaker 6: knew I had somebody in this world that was like minded,
Speaker 6: like me and understand me as just a human being,
Speaker 6: not a by sexual man, because I really don't. I
Speaker 6: don't seek around like the old men no more. I
Speaker 6: wanted to unless you're a trans man have kids, but
Speaker 6: I learned that day they'd like to lay their lays
Speaker 6: low and wor wide. So I'm thirty eight years old
Speaker 6: this year, I hang got no age, I be no age,
Speaker 6: and I have been a hope.
Speaker 5: Okay, yes, first of all, let me tell you thank
Speaker 5: you for that. And you know, and I always feel
Speaker 5: like my duty goes in vain sometimes because maybe I'm
Speaker 5: not the most popular person, but my stace never changes
Speaker 5: because I am so comfortable being me and I'm hoping
Speaker 5: that just like you, because just like you watch me
Speaker 5: and admire me, I saw a character that made me
Speaker 5: or a person that made me feel comfortable with being me.
Speaker 5: That is what we're put on earth to do, is
Speaker 5: to be kind, just what your shirt says, and to
Speaker 5: help other people along the way and hopefully they catch
Speaker 5: you on. I want to ask you a question when
Speaker 5: you de transition down, did you have to take any
Speaker 5: kind of male hormones anything to get your your balance back.
Speaker 6: No, my doctor didn't want to you nothing.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: He wanted me just let it just go naturally. And
Speaker 6: that's what I did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because as me as as naturally born me, and
Speaker 5: that should transition to trans women as long as we
Speaker 5: stop taking female horn homes. Our body was as long
Speaker 5: as we say about testicles, our body was still to
Speaker 5: Creetest sasserone. So the doctor is verybody about that. I'm
Speaker 5: telling you, I'm sitting here and I gotta be funny.
Speaker 5: I gotta be funny as hell in two hours. But
Speaker 5: I am. I'm I'm broken and happy and admiring your
Speaker 5: strengths and your courage because, let me tell you something,
Speaker 5: as much crap as I talk and you see me
Speaker 5: on coffee tap all the time, I don't even know
Speaker 5: if I would have the courage to de transition if
Speaker 5: I wasn't, you know, because flame has been my character. Flame,
Speaker 5: that's been my bread and butter flat. That's who I am.
Speaker 5: And I am happy with me. I am happy with me,
Speaker 5: and my children are happy with me. So thank of
Speaker 5: recognizing that and seeing that. But wow, that was that
Speaker 5: was something wasn't about me.
Speaker 4: But I think you, I think your story is big er, honey,
Speaker 4: I really flew I don't know if there's to be
Speaker 4: a counselor for for trans kids. See you transition twice,
Speaker 4: So I think those bitches ship shut the hell up.
Speaker 4: You got it all over them. Yeah, and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: know this is my mom had again. You're threatened by you,
Speaker 4: and that's why they don't like you. It's like the
Speaker 4: bully on the playground, right, the bully is front. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's it. But I think I think you this is
Speaker 4: only the beginning of your story. You got to go
Speaker 4: through everything that you've gone through to get to the pinnacle,
Speaker 4: to get to the peak where you start to make moves. Now,
Speaker 4: as you've heard on Flame show, like play the chess game,
Speaker 4: not checker. So start making so start making plans. You
Speaker 4: said that your brother was flew right, made the right choices.
Speaker 4: You're still very young. I didn't even go to school
Speaker 4: until you was your age. But think about counseling classes
Speaker 4: and stuff. Yes, and support groups. Call some of these
Speaker 4: doctors and say, you know, you get hooked up with
Speaker 4: the support group or start a support group. I think
Speaker 4: that would be terrific.
Speaker 5: Just like you said that you watched me and I
Speaker 5: was the person. Somebody is going to see you, somebody
Speaker 5: is going to hear your story, and this is your purpose.
Speaker 5: This is your purpose, your brother. It's not because your brother.
Speaker 5: You said, your brother's more successful. Don't let it look
Speaker 5: like that God has a purpose for you. That is
Speaker 5: why you went through the changes that you went through.
Speaker 5: I didn't get popular until fifty You understand me.
Speaker 6: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I did not get known until fifty years old, but
Speaker 5: stayed in the game because it was who I was.
Speaker 5: I stay true to me, You stay true to you.
Speaker 5: You are going to help so many people in your
Speaker 5: life in your hear me when I tell you, in
Speaker 5: your life, you are gonna save a lot of kids
Speaker 5: and a lot of people who think that they have
Speaker 5: to be somebody else because somebody else told them they
Speaker 5: have to be somebody else. You got a purpose, baby,
Speaker 5: and it's huge. It is enormous. I see it. Just
Speaker 5: your story is the truth and the way you deliver
Speaker 5: it with the compassion and the empathy and the honesty. Baby,
Speaker 5: I'm telling I'm ready to cray right now.
Speaker 7: Nobody make me crack, Nobody makes me a BIRTHDA July fourteen,
Speaker 7: right it is my closest auntiem I told Mama that too,
Speaker 7: and she started crying because my mama was like this,
Speaker 7: my mom my brother are cancers.
Speaker 5: Sorry.
Speaker 6: I know that counsel energy from y'all. And I said, Mamma,
Speaker 6: you know what, miss Flaming, My aunt Janas got the
Speaker 6: same birthday she in heaven and she say what essay?
Speaker 6: So I know that was in Jana's that sin flame
Speaker 6: my way, and.
Speaker 4: That's the truth. That's how we get the A'm telling
Speaker 4: you've got a beautiful ease about you too. You're gonna
Speaker 4: make some other trans kids. You know how you didn't
Speaker 4: feel accepted and you did you did? You felt unseen.
Speaker 4: You're gonna make somebody feel seen. And the other thing
Speaker 4: that I want you to do, I don't know anything
Speaker 4: about Texas, so I'm gonna be honest about that. Other
Speaker 4: than I can't stand Abbot. Rather than that I hope,
Speaker 4: I hope selling over greases his wheels, is that it
Speaker 4: learned a lot because you still have been able to
Speaker 4: go to the bathroom wherever the hell you wanted the bathroom.
Speaker 4: Don't let them dictate to you. And you're gonna educate
Speaker 4: the younger generation so they know what to to demand,
Speaker 4: not what to sit back and accept.
Speaker 6: Oh, yes, see my second When I went to the
Speaker 6: second job, I already knew the laula way. I told
Speaker 6: a flam my guy, I talked to you on off
Speaker 6: the line, a situation, you know, certain stuff. But the
Speaker 6: second job, I learned the laws. And guess what, that's
Speaker 6: when I knew that LGBTQ people need to pay more
Speaker 6: tention to the laws. A lot of trans people want
Speaker 6: to run and say, oh, I'm a head and station woman, babe,
Speaker 6: that law stays different. Don't let the law fool you
Speaker 6: out of who you are and real life because they
Speaker 6: play a double advocate with that. When I was a transforman,
Speaker 6: I started learning. I just looked at the paper that
Speaker 6: say post op feed trans woman, uh pre out trans woman.
Speaker 6: So they are ready to start and letting you know that, hey,
Speaker 6: you are a difference. Then this is who you are.
Speaker 6: This is who you are. And when I was gonna
Speaker 6: get an SR artist, my I'm gonna drop to her Nieces,
Speaker 6: I was gonna come. I was gonna have a sex change.
Speaker 6: The twenty three I had a three year plane. My
Speaker 6: three year plan was to give my boot, was give
Speaker 6: my man chained and buy me a cat. Well, I
Speaker 6: caught up banana split. That's why I used to call
Speaker 6: them back there.
Speaker 5: I want to.
Speaker 6: Well, even though I knew I couldn't use the muscles,
Speaker 6: I just want to want because that's what I thought
Speaker 6: it was. You see, but I'm playing. I didn't spend
Speaker 6: them fifteen thousand dollars. I didn't findance that money. I
Speaker 6: was gonna findance to listen. List I want you.
Speaker 5: To go back. I want you to remember this. It
Speaker 5: was never about the money. It was never about the money,
Speaker 5: because money can be replaced. But if you make a
Speaker 5: decision that is you cannot go back on. You would
Speaker 5: have had to live with there. And if you think
Speaker 5: that you're unhappy. I know some sisters now, some of
Speaker 5: our trans sisters that have made have had the SRS,
Speaker 5: and they are absolutely unhappy. They cannot financial and you
Speaker 5: can't go back. You know what that is? They want
Speaker 5: here to quit her. Oh you just may not redo that.
Speaker 5: So God saved you from that. And I'm telling you
Speaker 5: it's never about the money. It is about the experience.
Speaker 5: And thank you for not making that decision, because if
Speaker 5: that would have made you unhappy, you can't you can
Speaker 5: see how you could remove the boobs can't put the
Speaker 5: pedis back. You can't put the peas.
Speaker 6: Round about that.
Speaker 5: That is right, That is that's.
Speaker 6: Why I ain't getting no silicone injection because I want
Speaker 6: to see old flame I had. Let me tell you something,
Speaker 6: I think when I seen r I kill, I said,
Speaker 6: oh I want it. Oh give me that right. Yeah,
Speaker 6: But you know, like I told him, at least I
Speaker 6: was embraced by a trance woman, which was the right direction,
Speaker 6: not miss Bobby. You know, like I wouldn't Nobodo jenn
Speaker 6: Fall female because I knew at the beginning. At first
Speaker 6: I thought that's what it was. But I knew I
Speaker 6: can never be no woman now, even through bones and
Speaker 6: the inside our bodies is different. But they're not ready
Speaker 6: for that real conversation. But like you said, we here
Speaker 6: to say the children, and that's my main focus. And
Speaker 6: the chat that hurted me the most was, like I
Speaker 6: told you, I amm jazz because I watched jazz thoughts. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and because I watched every bit of how that young
Speaker 6: lady life just got ruining. And Dwayne Wade, Baby, I've
Speaker 6: been watching that baby so closely. I just want to
Speaker 6: hug that baby. Let that baby know. Free yourself, baby
Speaker 6: from that beat the love. Pretty nice looking boy, you
Speaker 6: can do yo, Dada is one of the richest man
Speaker 6: in the world. Don't It's bigger than what you think
Speaker 6: it is out here and you look good and you
Speaker 6: close and you may a little good the way you
Speaker 6: want to be, But it's bigger than what you think
Speaker 6: it is, because this life gonna hit you on your ass,
Speaker 6: and y'all the money your daddy got ain't gonna replace you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's a whole other who's whole other conversation.
Speaker 4: So one of the things that hit me when you
Speaker 4: first started talking was how unhappy you were, which has
Speaker 4: nothing to do with being trans right. You were trying
Speaker 4: to feel something, thinking it was gonna make you happy.
Speaker 4: You got to You gotta be happy with the inside
Speaker 4: of you first, yes, Jak as a parent, then then
Speaker 4: make these decisions you read.
Speaker 6: You're right about that.
Speaker 4: So it may maybe that's it. Maybe I'm telling you
Speaker 4: you got a purpose. I don't know if it's advocacy.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is, but you got something
Speaker 4: to know you You need to sit back and make
Speaker 4: a plan, maybe another three year plan.
Speaker 6: I just be worldwide, you know, I mean, I'm inspired
Speaker 6: by the right people, and I watch these people right
Speaker 6: from the bottom to the top, and I tell people, uh,
Speaker 6: don't feel a sorry for me, be proud of me.
Speaker 5: I'm very Let me tell you that I'm very proud
Speaker 5: of I told you that you have the courage that
Speaker 5: you have. I don't even and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm a bold queen, but I don't even know if
Speaker 5: I have the courage in my in my dna that
Speaker 5: you have to do what you have done. I'm telling
Speaker 5: you you are. You are for the Nomena Done, King.
Speaker 5: I need you to I need you to remember that
Speaker 5: always out. You are for nomen Done and you are
Speaker 5: going to touch millions of people to help so many
Speaker 5: broken spirits, broken hearts to find their happiness. The question
Speaker 5: is are you happy now? Are you actually happy now?
Speaker 6: I'm I'm happy every day that way. My family is
Speaker 6: seeing my Auntie say, boy, you just you always happen.
Speaker 6: I'm always smiling. I said, Manny, I made it, and
Speaker 6: I can as a people, I said, man, I can
Speaker 6: do so much as now, I said, but I got
Speaker 6: to find my light again. And I am happy, you know,
Speaker 6: saying I'm happy I made the right decision to go back.
Speaker 6: I'm happy that even through my bad times, I'm happy
Speaker 6: that I experienced it. So I can be on a
Speaker 6: panel one day and sit with people, all of us
Speaker 6: just sit together and just you know, spin it all
Speaker 6: out and spend the truth the differences, and so it
Speaker 6: can help people make the right decisions because we all
Speaker 6: need somebody. And yeah, I'm so happy with who I
Speaker 6: am now.
Speaker 5: And I think, listen, we think I'm telling you, Bobby said,
Speaker 5: And Bobby has never had a loss for words. Bobby
Speaker 5: is not said. Bobby is so enamored with your story.
Speaker 5: So like I am, because I'm telling you, I never
Speaker 5: wanted to be transition because I loved to be in
Speaker 5: flame my rope. I love you and I still love
Speaker 5: me on the inflat and it just outly I help
Speaker 5: people without even trying, and yourself included, which is what
Speaker 5: you're going to be able to do. What was your
Speaker 5: what was your girl name? Mate?
Speaker 6: Now you're trying the night you're trying to get out
Speaker 6: on all them.
Speaker 7: Old was out the closet now, Nibbia?
Speaker 6: My name was Nibia?
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah it was? And I got the pictures and
Speaker 5: you were a lovely girl. You are a lovely trades girl.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you very passable. The wall that you climbed
Speaker 5: over to come from being Nivia to King. Do you
Speaker 5: ever look in the mirror sometimes where you just for
Speaker 5: no reason and Nibbia pops in the mirror sometimes yeah,
Speaker 5: she never.
Speaker 6: She come up, you know. I tell my mama all
Speaker 6: the time. It's just in my head. And I tell people,
Speaker 6: you know, I got three personalities. I don't know which
Speaker 6: one of the holes gonna knock you out, So you
Speaker 6: better be prepared, you know, you know, But I do know.
Speaker 6: I always someone I say, one day I'm gonna make
Speaker 6: a movie. I'm being a movie you know with it.
Speaker 6: Don't be up. Group what's come together and make a
Speaker 6: amazing movie. Just to support this different aspects of the
Speaker 6: lifestyle and everybody how we are different, group together. I've
Speaker 6: got this pitch if forgot to see you. This is
Speaker 6: my first time I had did I did this at
Speaker 6: seventeen years old. Who you were little as seventeen?
Speaker 4: Yeuse, I wish I could squat like that. My knees
Speaker 4: hit fifty and I.
Speaker 6: It was crazy. That's when the time I knew too.
Speaker 6: I look in them mirror, I say, oh I can
Speaker 6: do this. I even had a transgimitter too. I had
Speaker 6: phenomenal black trans woman. That's how big in my mind
Speaker 6: that I was like, this is it for me? You
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. So I was really dedicated to
Speaker 6: I want I don't want trans all the trans people
Speaker 6: to look at this and say something different. I want
Speaker 6: them to know that I was dedicated to this. But
Speaker 6: I lost my fighting this, But I want to fight
Speaker 6: at another day in another way.
Speaker 5: Were you won for you? See, it's never about a group.
Speaker 5: You have to win only for you because you are
Speaker 5: the one that looks back in the mirror. It matters. Yes,
Speaker 5: it's okay to be a part of an organization or
Speaker 5: a group, especially when it's accepting. But you know how
Speaker 5: our community can be. They can shunt up. They can
Speaker 5: love you today and dislike you tomorrow and cancel you
Speaker 5: the next day. That's why you always find your joy.
Speaker 5: You're like your peace because the only thing that matters
Speaker 5: is the person that's looking back in the mirror at you.
Speaker 5: That person needs to smile back at you. That person
Speaker 5: you can see you can smile in the mirror, and
Speaker 5: the mirror will give you a reflection whether it's not
Speaker 5: smiling back at you. Because your joy is not inside
Speaker 5: of you. My joy is inside of me. So when
Speaker 5: I look in the mirror, see this pretty red bitch,
Speaker 5: that pretty red bitch is smiling back at me. When
Speaker 5: you look in the mirror and you see your handsome self, King,
Speaker 5: you make me sure that handsome self is always smiling
Speaker 5: back at you.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's important, hey, And that's why I've been staying
Speaker 6: grounding that and just being important in that and making
Speaker 6: sure I know that I am important. Now I know
Speaker 6: that I'm not a failure and know that for important.
Speaker 4: It's always important. You have to remember you were never
Speaker 4: a sailure. It just work for you.
Speaker 5: You went through this storm, You went through the storm
Speaker 5: of the life that you went through, both transitions for
Speaker 5: God to get you to your purpose. Because it's never
Speaker 5: our will, it is always his will. Yes, ma'am, you
Speaker 5: your life was already architect. God is an architect. Your
Speaker 5: grouppet was done and you just had to go through
Speaker 5: the motions. But now you know the strength and courage
Speaker 5: that you have, King is going to save so many people.
Speaker 5: And I applaud you, We appreciate you.
Speaker 6: Here it laft I, thank you, I thank God, thank you.
Speaker 6: Thanks Bobby, and I know y'all got a show and
Speaker 6: I want you to do good. Knock him out one
Speaker 6: day when you come to the FW. I'll come to
Speaker 6: your show, you know, and this is.
Speaker 5: Gonna put your stage if you come.
Speaker 6: And this why not be this name might not be
Speaker 6: in us because you never know what a part. There's
Speaker 6: so much other stuff that's in me, like a learn
Speaker 6: from you still to this day, no matter what I've
Speaker 6: been through, because it's still like you keep that y'all,
Speaker 6: kep reminding me. I'm not a failure to me. I
Speaker 6: had that been chopping my head for so long and
Speaker 6: you know I'm dealing with that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So I thank y'all for at least a knowledge in
Speaker 6: that part of me. That's all My mama said, the
Speaker 6: sad and you're not a failure, baby, and I'm like, Mom,
Speaker 6: I'm just but she said, I know mentally you're dealing
Speaker 6: with and you're dealing with it. You all get better
Speaker 6: and I'm a getting I'm getting better. I'm getting better
Speaker 6: luck and just finally.
Speaker 5: And you will. And the only way to get better
Speaker 5: is to stay in the game. Don't mind controls everything,
Speaker 5: So don't let chose to oneself tell your other self
Speaker 5: that you're not good enough, and you're not gonna you
Speaker 5: tell yourself, Yes the hell I am. I am going
Speaker 5: to be a phenomenon because I'm telling you, Kay, your
Speaker 5: story is powerful and truthful, and that is what we
Speaker 5: are living in so many lives. We need to hear
Speaker 5: the God to honest truth to make us know that
Speaker 5: we are okay. We are just find the way we are.
Speaker 5: So whether you are trans whether you de transition, whether
Speaker 5: you're gay, whether you're fat, you're skinny, you're black, you're white,
Speaker 5: you're you are good enough for you. But you have
Speaker 5: to tell you that because you need to understand I
Speaker 5: am good enough for me. I may not be good
Speaker 5: enough for you, but you might not good enough for me.
Speaker 5: That's how they feel. So you have to tell yourself
Speaker 5: I'm good enough for me. I want to tell you,
Speaker 5: King that we appreciate you. Oh my god, Bobby the story. Listen,
Speaker 5: We're hugging you back. We're hugging you back, We're hugging
Speaker 5: you powerful. Yeah. The hour, this was an hour and
Speaker 5: it was it was so great. King, Thank you for
Speaker 5: sitting with me and Bobby sharing your flory with people
Speaker 5: who I have already told all the flames. Maybe y'all
Speaker 5: got a story that's coming that's gonna knock your socks, salt.
Speaker 5: But because it is so artist and it's so real,
Speaker 5: and it's so and it's happening every day. It's happening
Speaker 5: every day, right, and every day child's transitioning. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: they may not be happy with the transition somebody makes.
Speaker 5: They may have been easily influenced, so, just like you,
Speaker 5: they may have been molested or touch to make them
Speaker 5: think that this is what they're supposed to be. You,
Speaker 5: my darling, You, my darling, are the powerful one who
Speaker 5: holds the key. And I'm ready to see you on
Speaker 5: the national platform to help so many people. I will
Speaker 5: be sitting at the audience learning because I'm still learning.
Speaker 5: I'm still learning it. At thirty five. There used to
Speaker 5: be thirty that now thirty five, I'll get the visiting back.
Speaker 6: Wow, I was, I was really giving you twenty one.
Speaker 5: You know we're not gonna push it down there that
Speaker 5: I was five.
Speaker 6: At least twenty two. I thought y'all was a gold
Speaker 6: than girls. Keep coming.
Speaker 5: I'm older than this, Sophia, Good God, listen.
Speaker 6: I told my you know what's crazy, so Film McIntosh.
Speaker 6: I was at so Phil McIntosh a club and in
Speaker 6: Peril where so Field McIntosh left Dallas. That's how I
Speaker 6: just to let you know. How long are him?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 6: People who don't think I know them? I gotta picture
Speaker 6: a silkie. I know y'all. I didn't been about y'all.
Speaker 6: But now y'all finna see me and thanks.
Speaker 5: Guess what? Guess what you knew them? But guess what
Speaker 5: you know? Now?
Speaker 6: Miss you?
Speaker 5: You know? You know? Crean you know. And I'm tell
Speaker 5: yourself that. Listen, I'm just an entity. You are. You
Speaker 5: are the weeds.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you are the week I think. Look I
Speaker 6: tell him. You say it's learning.
Speaker 5: Laugh.
Speaker 6: I think I should be learning, laugh and cry because
Speaker 6: we do allot your channel.
Speaker 5: Baby, you about to make me up here like this?
Speaker 5: Oh Betty good biggest, it'sy on the plane. I was
Speaker 5: about to break down for your story. Good guy, don't
Speaker 5: break down case. We need you to knock them out
Speaker 5: on that space tonight.
Speaker 6: That's what you know. You can break We can. We
Speaker 6: got many days to break down. I've been la soon,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: Please hit me up. You got my nether, Please hit
Speaker 5: me up from here at laugh Alarry, I just want
Speaker 5: to tell you thank you for sharing your story with
Speaker 5: us now and teaching and educating and helping and reaching
Speaker 5: and touching and all of those things.
Speaker 4: And you got to remember again in front of my
Speaker 4: mom had on anytime you have something that you feel
Speaker 4: as a failure or it didn't go the way you wanted,
Speaker 4: it's not. That's not it. It's the lessons that you
Speaker 4: learn when you brush yourself off and you keep moving.
Speaker 4: And that's where I think your story is. I don't
Speaker 4: I don't think any of this was a failure. I
Speaker 4: think it was on purpose. And so now I'm looking
Speaker 4: I'm going to be disp point if you don't do
Speaker 4: anything with that.
Speaker 6: Oh no, this this is my.
Speaker 4: I'm going to give you that Catholic guilt.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: This is a big, big lead for me. And I'm
Speaker 6: proud of myself because this took courage for me to
Speaker 6: eat it even reach out.
Speaker 5: And I want you to do me a favorite. Please
Speaker 5: thank Bolets and all of your family for your mom
Speaker 5: for the because as trans people, we need that base
Speaker 5: of support and we needed to start at home. I need,
Speaker 5: I need my mother to love me for who I
Speaker 5: am as her kid, not what I decided to be
Speaker 5: coming up. I need her to love me as her kids.
Speaker 5: So I love your mother. I love your family for
Speaker 5: being that base and groundediness because that helped you make
Speaker 5: the crucial decision to go forward and to change something else.
Speaker 5: Like Bobby said, you transition twice. Do you know what
Speaker 5: that entails? Mentally? You know the strict that you have
Speaker 5: in your DNA. You are a warrior, baby, you are
Speaker 5: a fucking warrior. Know that and all that shit.
Speaker 6: It's true.
Speaker 4: And those stars that you have on your chest, you
Speaker 4: were talking about those on your one.
Speaker 5: As African American people, as black people, we would put warriors,
Speaker 5: scars and markings on us to let us know that
Speaker 5: we were the greatest. Those cards made you the greatest king.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you this, Slain Moreau is telling you your scars,
Speaker 5: your history, your what you would have made you the greatest.
Speaker 5: That you teach that to somebody else.
Speaker 6: Yes, and I will. And you know I do think
Speaker 6: everybody because I said if it want for my musings
Speaker 6: having a support, even though they han't known how deeply
Speaker 6: I felt inside mentally I didn't expressed it, but just
Speaker 6: know I had the love. And you're right, Baldy. The
Speaker 6: greatest thing my mama could have told me was go
Speaker 6: find somebody a part of that community, even your bisexial land.
Speaker 6: Go find somebody that community to can help you. And
Speaker 6: ballet was a gift man. That ballet is a gift
Speaker 6: from God because Boley is grouded us was a what
Speaker 6: they called a game.
Speaker 5: Mother.
Speaker 6: That was true.
Speaker 5: That was true.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: It was the first generation I had children. I was
Speaker 6: afraid trans woman of her child.
Speaker 5: She helped me.
Speaker 6: And I think all of them. I think everybody. I
Speaker 6: think y'all, and I think my future fans because people
Speaker 6: don't this is just the beginning of King Baby.
Speaker 5: Yes it is, Yes, it is. I know that and
Speaker 5: own that and believe that always that. We appreciate you here,
Speaker 5: thank you King, y'all. What can we what can our
Speaker 5: listen as Follyway cakes so they can get to know you.
Speaker 6: I only have Twitter's King. I only got Twitter because everybody,
Speaker 6: everybody else they shut me down.
Speaker 5: That goes with the territory.
Speaker 6: But I know, and that's what had to me.
Speaker 2: So on.
Speaker 6: So I did build up to the top that King
Speaker 6: testimony in twenty six so I actually started you know,
Speaker 6: doing uh my videos I showed like my surgery, a
Speaker 6: bandages and stuff, saying I was going to tell my
Speaker 6: detrus it's your story and I build a great fan
Speaker 6: base now to where I can get nothing and go
Speaker 6: live and top. Now this right here, don't give me
Speaker 6: the courage because I was really scared. Honestly, you can't.
Speaker 6: I'm never gonna hear fear in you. You don't even
Speaker 6: own fear. You have not faith that you have transitioned
Speaker 6: and de transit. There is no.
Speaker 5: Fear in your spirit. You are a fucking warrior. And
Speaker 5: I told you that your warrior, remember that.
Speaker 6: Big warrior.
Speaker 5: Yes, thank you, my darling for joining us. We cannot leave.
Speaker 5: We cannot leave this space where giving our message because
Speaker 5: you're a laughing alone. We are not trying to get
Speaker 5: you to change your mind. We are only trying to
Speaker 5: use your mind.
Speaker 4: Because why Bobby, Because the mind is a terrible thing
Speaker 4: to life.
Speaker 5: And if you mind and your heart and your spirit
Speaker 5: is aligned like Kings, joy will come in your spirit
Speaker 5: and you will never lose it. King. Thank you, thank
Speaker 5: you so so much, have last night baby, Yes, thank
Speaker 5: you all darling. Why wow, Bobby, I'm touched. Don't miss
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