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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: It is verdict of center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with

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Speaker 2: you and Senator the big headline, Donald Trump's been indicted again,

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Speaker 2: just a couple of days after more bad news came

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Speaker 2: out about the Biden crime family. It's at least we

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Speaker 2: can predict it now. It's like clockwork. Your overall reaction

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Speaker 2: to Trump indictment four point zero, which if he gets

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Speaker 2: everything right, the whole table, they run on him and

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Speaker 2: he's convicted of everything, he'll be in jail for like

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Speaker 2: seven hundred and forty something years.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's absolutely ridiculous and it is sadly predictable.

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Speaker 3: It has become like clockwork every time bad news comes

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Speaker 3: out about Joe Biden or Hunter Biden, every time additional

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Speaker 3: evidence comes out of corruption on the part of Joe Biden,

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Speaker 3: within hours a new Trump indictment drops.

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Speaker 4: You know, you think back to the.

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Speaker 3: Halcyon days of a year ago. A year ago, our

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Speaker 3: nation had gone on more than two centuries, and we'd

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Speaker 3: never once had a former president or current president, or

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Speaker 3: a current leading candidate for president indicted. We just didn't

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Speaker 3: do that. That was something Banana Republics did. That's something

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Speaker 3: little tinpot dictatorships did, but not the United.

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Speaker 4: States of America.

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Speaker 3: We have a representative form of government in which the

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Speaker 3: voters decide, and we don't rely on whoever controls the

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Speaker 3: Department of Justice to use the court system to try

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Speaker 3: to take out your opponents. In the past year, we've

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Speaker 3: crossed that threshold, not once, not twice, not three ties,

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Speaker 3: but now, as of Monday night, four times. There are

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Speaker 3: four different indictments pending against Donald Trump. Won the most

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Speaker 3: ridiculous of all in New York State Court, brought by

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Speaker 3: Alvin Bragg over the alleged hush money to the porn

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Speaker 3: star with whom Trump allegedly had an affair. Another, brought

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Speaker 3: by the Special Council the Department of Justice, concerns Trump's

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Speaker 3: retention of classified documents. Now, mind you, Joe Biden had

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Speaker 3: classified documents stored all over the place. There is no

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Speaker 3: indictment of Joe Biden for that. This special power only

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Speaker 3: applies to Republicans. Number three was the DOJ Special Council's

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Speaker 3: indictment over January sixth, and then now number four is

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Speaker 3: another state prosecutor. Faddy willis an elected Democrat in Georgia.

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Speaker 3: She decided she was going to get in on the fund.

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Speaker 3: And so she brought a sweeping indictment. She brought an

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Speaker 3: indictment with forty one different counts against not just Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: but eighteen other alleged co conspirators. The heart of the

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Speaker 3: allegation is RICO. Now, RICO is a very powerful law.

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Speaker 3: It's a federal law, but there are state analogs, and

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Speaker 3: she brought this indictment under the Georgia state version of RICO.

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Speaker 3: Rico was designed to get mobsters, to get racketeers. And

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Speaker 3: RICO is a conspiracy law which enables you to prove

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Speaker 3: up the existence of a criminal enterprise and then sweep

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Speaker 3: in everyone involved in the enterprise to very significant criminal liability.

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Speaker 3: As I said, RICO was used most famously and in

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Speaker 3: fact was designed to go after the mafia, to go

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Speaker 3: after the Coosinostra, and to identify foot soldiers on the

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Speaker 3: ground and then use them and flip them to go

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Speaker 3: all the way up to the Coppos and the Godfathers themselves. Well,

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Speaker 3: in this instance, this indictment, it's against Trump and eighteen others.

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Speaker 3: It includes a bunch of Trump's lawyers, It includes Rudy Giuliani,

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Speaker 3: includes Jeffrey Clark, who is a senior Department of Justice official,

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Speaker 3: and includes David Schaeffer, who was the head of the

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Speaker 3: Republican Party in Georgia. It is remarkable that the world

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Speaker 3: we're living in now, apparently political disagreements, at least when

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Speaker 3: you're dealing with Democrats in power, are resolved by trying

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Speaker 3: to indict, prosecute, drag through the mud, and put in

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Speaker 3: jail your opponents. But not only that, you don't just

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Speaker 3: do your opponents, you go after their entire legal team.

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Speaker 3: In this instance, virtually all of the lead lawyers for

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump are now being prosecuted, and it seems their

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Speaker 3: principal crime was daring to represent Donald Trump. Now we've

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Speaker 3: talked before about this podcast that I think the legal

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Speaker 3: team around Trump should have done a much better job,

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Speaker 3: in particular when it comes to litigating the election fraud

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Speaker 3: cases across the country. They did not do a very

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Speaker 3: But there's a difference between not doing a tremendously effective

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Speaker 3: in this instance being told that because you represented the

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Speaker 3: your ability to earn a.

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Speaker 4: Livelihood, your ability to pay your mortgage.

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Speaker 3: But incarceration. I think this is disgraceful.

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Speaker 4: It is it is nakedly political.

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Speaker 1: And it is a team today.

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Speaker 2: I mean MSNBS today, they had an entire segment throwing

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Speaker 2: every name up there that you just mentioned, Giuliani, John Eastman,

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Speaker 2: said on TV Today that she was quote very happy

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Speaker 2: that former New York City Mayor Giuliani was indicted in

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Speaker 2: She said, this is a tale of two very different indictments.

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Speaker 2: We have one in the federal system that is lean

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Speaker 2: to go after the whole enterprise, and all of this

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Speaker 2: evidence would come in the whole barrel of bad apples

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Speaker 2: got indicted. You can't assume in the federal indictment that

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Speaker 2: those unindicted co conspiracors may or may not be cooperating,

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Speaker 1: You just don't know at this point.

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Speaker 2: But she said, on the other hand, in Georgia, since

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Speaker 2: of those unindicted co conspirators have cooper operated and testified

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Speaker 2: in front of the grand jury. Truthfully, they did not

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Speaker 2: take the fifth I think the fake electors. There was

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Speaker 2: they didn't. And then she added, I'm just glad to

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Speaker 2: see that, you know, Rudy Giuliani finally got indicted. Then

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Speaker 2: she said, woo. Who literally said that. She said, the

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Speaker 2: good news is we finally have Rudy Giuliani indicted.

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Speaker 1: Wooo.

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Speaker 3: Look they are vicious partisans. One of the things that

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Speaker 3: the democratic process. Listen, this is all about their fear

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Speaker 3: to reject the disastrous agenda and record of Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: The Democrats, and they look at Donald Trump as the

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Speaker 3: But I think they also believe the indictments make it

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Speaker 3: a whole lot more defending these cases. And they are

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Speaker 3: They want to make this entirely about Donald Trump because

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Speaker 3: look at this indictment in Georgia, in many ways, this

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Speaker 3: because number one, it is it's a state court indictment.

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Speaker 3: It's under a state law. That means it doesn't fall

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Speaker 4: This one.

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Speaker 3: Rico's a very powerful law. And so the fact that

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Speaker 4: That means the jury pool, just like the DC jury

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Speaker 3: Jack Smith's January sixth indictment, is going to be overwhelmingly Democrat.

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Speaker 3: It also means that the president's pardon power is largely

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Speaker 3: twenty four, that Republican president could pardon Donald Trump for

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Speaker 3: any federal offense. But the federal pardon power does not

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Speaker 3: So it's a very circumscribed power. That means if this

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Speaker 3: And this is designed to bloody everyone up, to dominate

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Speaker 3: This is much about her raising her name.

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Speaker 2: I do you just like everybody knows Alvin Bragg's name

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Speaker 3: It's a very good Democrat campaign issue. Lytisa James, the

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Speaker 3: And if you're a Democrat, look Claire mccaskell, who was

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Speaker 3: the objectives here is to bankrupt all of these other defendants,

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Speaker 3: Their view, it's a scorched earth. We're going to use

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Speaker 3: It's an abuse.

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Speaker 3: Well, there are going to be lots of questions litigated,

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Speaker 3: The indictment itself it lists one hundred and sixty one

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Speaker 3: As you know, the last book I wrote, Justice Corrupted,

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Speaker 3: how the left is weaponized the legal system, goes into

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Speaker 3: in depth how these hard partisans burrowed into career senior

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Speaker 3: within the deep state against the duly elected president of

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Speaker 3: the United States, and and and and so I share

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Speaker 3: that frustration, and you're you're right, there's a whole pattern

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Speaker 3: of criminal conduct that we have not had. Look I

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Speaker 3: think the fact that Jeffrey Epstein was able to hang

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Speaker 3: himself in in in a jail cell. Is an absolute outrage.

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Speaker 3: It is disgraceful. He was on suicide Watch. Why the

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Speaker 3: hell weren't they watching him? And I want to know

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Speaker 3: every one of those clients in that black book, every

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Speaker 3: one of those perverts, that that that that that that

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Speaker 3: assaulted little girls, should be brought to justice.

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Speaker 4: And and and we have not seen.

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Speaker 3: Any vigorous effort, to be clear, any vigorous effort by

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Speaker 3: Republicans or Democrats to have accountability. Listen, Jeffrey Epstein had

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Speaker 3: in his living room it is New York home, an

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Speaker 3: oil painting of Bill Clinton in a blue cocktail dress

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Speaker 3: and high healed pumps. So you know, Jeffrey Epstein was

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Speaker 3: a very close friend to Bill, and there's been no

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Speaker 3: accountability for that. That is infuriating. But I want to

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Speaker 3: underscore the answer is not just tit for tat of

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Speaker 3: let's bring bogus prosecutions against our political enemies. The answer

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Speaker 3: is let's put people in a position of law enforcement

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Speaker 3: that have the courage to investigate and follow the evidence

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Speaker 3: and bring cases of real wrongdoing. Listen, there's a qualitative difference.

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Speaker 3: Compare the allegations right nowgainst Joe and Hunter Biden to

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Speaker 3: the allegations against Trump.

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Speaker 2: The allegation before you say this, this is what pisses

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Speaker 2: people off, Yeah, is they feel like there's so much

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Speaker 2: evidence here, yes, against Joe Biden, against Hunter Biden, against

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Speaker 2: the Biden crime family. The list is long, and there's

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Speaker 2: not a single DA or or you know whoever in

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Speaker 2: law enforcement right that could they could maybe throw down

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Speaker 2: on them that's doing it. They're going, there's real crimes here,

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Speaker 2: for goodness sakes, and you guys aren't doing anything. They're

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Speaker 2: making up crimes against against Donald Trump and trying to

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Speaker 2: bankrupt everybody around him. I mean, I know people and

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Speaker 2: you and Center, I'm sure you do too, who say

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Speaker 2: they can't afford financially to go work for Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: even if he is re elected, because the legal liability

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Speaker 2: is just too great of a strain. I know people

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Speaker 2: that have had to take out apparently loans just to

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Speaker 2: defend themselves because.

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Speaker 1: They worked to the White House and did nothing wrong.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So look, I will say for many of the crimes

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Speaker 3: that are on that list, those crimes are federal, not

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Speaker 3: all of them, but most of them are federal, and

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Speaker 3: that limits who can prosecute a federal crime. Can only

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Speaker 3: be prosecuted by the US Department of Justice, by the

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Speaker 3: federal government. That means a state DA can't bring can't

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Speaker 3: prosecute a federal crime. A U S attorney in a

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Speaker 3: given state can prosecute it. But all of the ninety

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Speaker 3: three US attorneys work for the Attorney General, and so

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Speaker 3: it's it's the Department of Justice. And so when you have,

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Speaker 3: as we have now a deeply partisan DOJ under Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden Merrick Garland, it means that none of the US

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Speaker 3: attorneys will enforce the law against their buddies. And so

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Speaker 3: it's why when when David Weiss apparently asked the US

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Speaker 3: attorney in the Central District, California to bring a more

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Speaker 3: serious charges against Hunter Biden, he was told no. When

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Speaker 3: the US attorney in d C, who was a big

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Speaker 3: Democrat donor gave money to Joe Biden, was asked about

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Speaker 3: bringing more serious charges against Hunter Biden, again he said no.

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Speaker 3: The California Central District US attorney was a donor to

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris. There were both Democrat donors. So the challenge

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Speaker 3: is for federal crimes, it has to be DOJ bringing them.

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Speaker 3: So in order for a state DA or a state

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Speaker 3: attorney general. In some states, attorneys general have the ability

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Speaker 3: to prosecute criminal cases, not every state, and a very

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Speaker 3: state by state, but it has to be a violation

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Speaker 3: of state law that typically occurred in the state. There

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Speaker 3: has to be a nexus to the jurisdiction. Now, look,

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Speaker 3: I would note Virginia. Virginia is now a Republican state

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Speaker 3: with a Republican attorney general, and there's an awful lot

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Speaker 3: of Democrats who are living and operating in Virginia that

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Speaker 3: are in and around DC. If you look at my

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Speaker 3: point on this, Compare Georgia to the allegations against Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: And to be clear, these are allegations, among others, from

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Speaker 3: two senior career IRS employees who are whistleblowers who risk

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Speaker 3: their entire career to come forward and to say that

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Speaker 3: there's obstruction of justice and lying under oath and a

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Speaker 3: cover up that is hiding criminality from Hunter Biden and

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Speaker 3: hiding criminality from Joe Biden. Compare, on the face of it,

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Speaker 3: a president of the United States or a vice president

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Speaker 3: of the United States soliciting and receiving millions of dollars

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Speaker 3: of bribes from multiple foreign nationals from oligarchs in Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: oligarchs in Russia, from Kazakhstan, from Chinese communist officials, and

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Speaker 3: selling favors federal government favors in exchange for millions of

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Speaker 3: dollars of bribes. On the face of it, that is

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Speaker 3: extraordinarily serious. There is a reason the Constitution specifies bribery

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Speaker 3: as a ground for impeachment. Impeachment lies for treason, bribery,

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Speaker 3: or other high crimes or misdemeanors. Contrasts that to this

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Speaker 3: indictment that is indicted Trump for a bunch of tweets

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Speaker 3: and a few phone calls he made.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's literally one of the lines in

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Speaker 2: this actual indictment. It says, on or about the third

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Speaker 2: day of December twenty twenty, Donald John Trump caused to

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Speaker 2: be tweeted from the Twitter account at real Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: Georgia Hearing hearings now on an amazing this was an

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Speaker 2: overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy, and they have

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Speaker 2: now made that into a criminal case.

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Speaker 3: It's ludicrous and it is It is deranged partisanship, that

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Speaker 3: is saying that's sending a tweet or in the case

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Speaker 3: of the lawyers representing your clients, or making legal arguments.

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Speaker 3: This is actually one of the things really at the

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Speaker 3: heart of Jack Smith's indictment on January sixth, where he

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Speaker 3: indicts Trump because he says, Okay, you had one group

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Speaker 3: of lawyers who gave you one set of advice, one

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Speaker 3: group of lawyers who gave you another set of advice.

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Speaker 3: You went with group number one and not group number two.

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Speaker 3: Therefore that's a felony, Like what, that's insane? And his

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Speaker 3: proof is, well, you knew group number one was wrong

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Speaker 3: because group number two told you something different. Well, no,

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Speaker 3: you know, it reminds me of Ronald Reagan's old joke

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Speaker 3: about economists that he said, you know, Reagan said I

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Speaker 3: want a one armed economist, so that he can't say,

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Speaker 3: on the other hand, look, if you spend time around lawyers,

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Speaker 3: you're going to get a bunch of different opinions. And

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Speaker 3: it is it cannot be the law that it is

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Speaker 3: a crime to believe one set of lawyers over another

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Speaker 3: set of lawyers, even if, by the way, the set

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Speaker 3: of lawyers you believe is wrong, that that cannot be

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Speaker 3: a crime. And in this instance that's exactly what they're weaponizing,

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Speaker 3: and it's an absolute double standard and look, it is

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Speaker 3: nakedly election interference. It's why MSNBC is ecstatic. And I'll

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Speaker 3: point out, listen, a lot of this information about the

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Speaker 3: bribery scandal could have been brought out, could have been

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Speaker 3: prosecuted when Trump was president. It occurred before Trump was president.

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Speaker 3: They had substantial evidence, I'll tell you, during the first

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Speaker 3: Trump impeachment trial. And as most listeners know, Verdict launched

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Speaker 3: the first night of the first Trump impeachment trial and

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Speaker 3: Trump's legal ty and I argued vociferously. I said, listen,

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Speaker 3: from Joe Biden. You have the ability to do it,

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Speaker 3: floor of the Senate. I said, this is that this

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Speaker 3: is an enormous gift. And Trump's lawyers didn't want to.

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Speaker 3: They said no, and listen, they were very nervous. There

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Speaker 3: was a critical tactical decision in that first impeachment trial

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Speaker 3: which is whether or not to call witnesses. And I

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Speaker 3: urged the White House. I said, listen, y'all should let

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Speaker 3: them call witnesses, but you should call witnesses. You should

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Speaker 3: put Hunter Biden on the stand. You should lay out

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Speaker 3: these facts. And ultimately the Trump legal defense team decide, well,

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Speaker 3: let's just get through this impeachment, so let's have no witnesses.

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Speaker 3: But I think in hindsight, it was an enormous mistake

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Speaker 5: I don't know that anybody should be satisfied. This is

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Speaker 2: I mean that infuriated me and many others when they

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Speaker 2: woman that knew that Donald Trump was being indicted for

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Speaker 2: when they went after him in the first Trump impeachment.

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Speaker 2: She is the same woman that had classified information documents

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Speaker 2: on an outside server and an outside email account and

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Speaker 2: lied about and then we got busted. They said, hey,

656
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Speaker 2: give us the intell and guess what happened. She said, no,

657
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Speaker 2: We're going to destroy it.

658
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Speaker 1: And they did.

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Speaker 2: They bleed, spit it, and they smashed the blackberries and

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Speaker 2: the iPhones involved.

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Speaker 1: This is they used hammers to do it. And they

662
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Speaker 1: used hammers to do it.

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Speaker 2: And you sit there and you hear her say this,

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Speaker 2: and then this does go back to the point where

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Speaker 2: I said earlier, But like, at what point do we

666
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Speaker 2: fight back?

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Speaker 3: We got to fight back. We've got to fight back. Look, look,

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Speaker 3: I am beyond frustrated. I'm frustrated that we did not

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Speaker 3: see that during the Trump administration that the DOJ and

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Speaker 3: the FBI did not hold people to account the way

671
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Speaker 3: they should have. And it is maddening, it's it's it's infuriating,

672
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Speaker 3: and it comes down to the political appointments that are

673
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: put in charge. Jeff Sessions was appointed Attorney General. Jeff

674
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: is a very nice man. He promptly recused himself from

675
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: an enormous amount of what was happening at DOJ and

676
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: let the deep state hijack the department, and ultimately was

677
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: not able to overcome the corruption that had burrowed in

678
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Speaker 3: to the Department. But that ultimately has real consequences that

679
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Speaker 3: you've got to be willing to prosecute people who commit

680
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Speaker 3: real and serious crimes. Look, Hillary's talking about undermining democracy.

681
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Speaker 3: There there's an irony because, of course Hillary in twenty

682
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: sixteen insisted that Trump's election was illegitimate, that she was

683
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Speaker 3: the president of the United States. And you know today

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Speaker 3: Democrats allege that that that's saying that there's fraud in

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Speaker 3: an election, that's saying that election's illegitimate. Is is undermining

686
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Speaker 3: the democracy and the country and everything else. Of course

687
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: they do it in every cycle. You'll recall last fall

688
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Speaker 3: when I went on the View and the view began,

689
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: the ladies on the View began screaming at me about

690
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Speaker 3: about Republicans being election deniers, and I just sat there

691
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: and read Hillary Clinton, I read Al Gore, I read

692
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: Democrat after Democrat after Democrat, I read Joe Biden, all

693
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Speaker 3: of whom when they lose elections promptly try to undermine

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Speaker 3: the legitimacy of the election. But it's it's one sided,

695
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Speaker 3: and it's it's nakedly a double standard.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you one other question about what

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Speaker 2: happened with Fulton County Court publishing and then removing the

698
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Speaker 2: Trump indictment. This, they said was a fictitious document that

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Speaker 2: was uploaded to their website. The Fulton County you Know

700
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Speaker 2: DA was like, Oh, I don't. I'm not involved with

701
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Speaker 2: the documents as they go online. That's not what I do.

702
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Speaker 2: It was an incredibly bizarre, unexplained act that some critics

703
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Speaker 2: are now saying violated Trump's constitutional rights to due process

704
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Speaker 2: of law.

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Speaker 1: Reuter's was the first report that the.

706
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: Document had been filed, then had to update its report

707
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Speaker 2: when the document was removed from court, the court website,

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Speaker 2: and then the office of Fulton County District Attorney Willis

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Speaker 2: denied that the indictment had yet been issued because the

710
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Speaker 2: grand jury hadn't officially finished meeting or had met. We're

711
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: still trying to figure out that timeline. Then Reuters preserved

712
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Speaker 2: the initial document, which listed thirty nine charges against Trump,

713
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Speaker 2: including the quote serious felony of racketeering. All of the

714
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: other thirty eight charges solicitation, the violation of an oath,

715
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Speaker 2: false statement, and conspiracy charges are all felonies, and then

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Speaker 2: Reuters said the Fulton County, Georgia Court's website posted the

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Speaker 2: document Monday, listing several criminal charges against the former president,

718
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: and then the Fulton County District Attorney's Office said in

719
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Speaker 2: the official statement Senator that no charges had been filed

720
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Speaker 2: against Donald Trump. The document was dated August the fourteenth

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Speaker 2: and named Trump siding the cases open. There was all

722
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Speaker 2: the information of who was going to be assigned to

723
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: It was all there, and then they said it's a

724
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Speaker 2: fictitious document. Then the real document comes out. It's almost

725
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Speaker 2: a match side by side. So was this a due

726
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Speaker 2: process violation? And does this do anything to undo part

727
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Speaker 2: of this attack on Donald Trump? Could that turn into

728
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Speaker 2: a big legal victory for him or probably not?

729
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Speaker 3: You know, I have to say I'm underwhelmed by that

730
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Speaker 3: particular issue listening.

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Speaker 4: That was clearly a screw up.

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Speaker 3: It was a screw up by probably some clerk, maybe

733
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Speaker 3: a junior lawyer, who handed the document before it was complete,

734
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Speaker 3: before it had been fully voted about. Maybe they told

735
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Speaker 3: the clerk okay, this is an early version. Me I

736
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: don't know, but it was clearly a screw up. As

737
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: screw ups go, this one doesn't get my blood pressure

738
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Speaker 3: very high, you know, I'm reminded a former boss of

739
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: mine used to say never blame on malice. What can

740
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: be explained by incompetence. I think somebody screwed up. Oh wait,

741
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Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to put this up.

742
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Speaker 4: Oh what what? I think that's what happened.

743
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 3: They realized, oh crap, we made this public before, before

744
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: it's public, before it's finalized.

745
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Speaker 4: So they pulled it down.

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Speaker 3: And you know, lots of people are focusing on the

747
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: word fictitious. It clearly was not fictitious. My suspicion is

748
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: that was a poorly chosen word. That that that what

749
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: the person who said it was trying to do was

750
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 3: pick a big tenpenny word to say this was a

751
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 3: not valid document. This was a screw up, This was

752
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: a mistake. This is not a real indictment, all of

753
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: which is accurate. If it hadn't been voted out by

754
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: the grand jury. It's not a real indictment. Somebody screw

755
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: it up and put an early version up. But it

756
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: was not, in fact fictitious as in made up fiction.

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00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: It was rather just just not official or legitimate. So

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Speaker 3: was it a due process violation? I doubt it in

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Speaker 3: terms of the things that are abuses of law in

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Speaker 3: this indictment. If you were to make a list of

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Speaker 2: Issue, and one more maybe that jury for person. And

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Speaker 2: and was giggling and talking and really fantasizing about this

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Speaker 2: idea of swearing in Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Could any of this hurt their case as well?

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Speaker 6: Emily, thank you for coming on. I do want to

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Speaker 6: say off the top, as you and I just discussed,

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Speaker 6: but for everyone to know, you are somewhat limited in

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Speaker 6: what you can discuss under judges under the judges orders

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Speaker 6: as of now. But one we do know, of course.

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Speaker 6: One of the biggest questions remaining for everyone that wasn't

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Speaker 6: in that jury room with you is how many people

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Speaker 6: are in trouble here? What can you tell us about

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Speaker 6: how many people you recommended as a group to face indictments?

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Speaker 7: Well, thank you for having me first of all, and

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Speaker 7: I'm I'm hesitant to speak to something that the judge

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Speaker 7: made a decision not to share. He I don't know

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Speaker 7: if everyone's aware of this, but there was a hearing

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Speaker 7: about what parts of the report should and should not

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Speaker 7: be published in its various forms, and the list, well,

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00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 7: the sections that were removed were consciously chosen.

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00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 6: To be removed.

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Speaker 7: And I don't want to say I have better.

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Speaker 6: Judgment than the judge. That's totally understandable. It would you

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Speaker 6: say when it comes to there are there are indictments recommended?

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Speaker 6: Of course? Is it more than twelve people? Is it

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Speaker 6: more than twenty people?

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Speaker 7: I think if you look at the page numbers of

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Speaker 7: the report, there's about six pages in the middle that

815
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Speaker 7: got cut out.

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Speaker 1: A laugh for spacing.

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Speaker 6: It's not a short list, not a short list more.

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Speaker 2: Not only is she laughing there, she then went on

819
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Speaker 2: to say this about Donald Trump and her fantasy.

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Speaker 7: Do you personally want to hear from the former I

821
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 7: wanted to hear from the former president, but honestly, I

822
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 7: kind of wanted to subpoena the former president because I

823
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 7: got to swear everybody in, and so I thought it'd

824
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 7: be really cool to get sixty seconds with President Trump

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Speaker 7: of me looking at him.

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Speaker 1: And being like, do you solemnly swear am me?

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Speaker 6: Getting to swear him in? I just I kind of

828
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Speaker 6: thought that would be an awesome moment.

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Speaker 2: I mean center, she's literally fantasizing about this quote awesome

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Speaker 2: moment to personally subpoena Donald Trump. And then she's talking

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Speaker 2: about how giddy she is in giggling at the idea

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Speaker 2: that hey, we didn't just indict one person, We've got

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Speaker 2: a really long list, double spacing multiple pages, and then laughs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta say, I've never seen anything like that.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen a member of a grand jury do

836
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Speaker 3: a media tour, even do interviews before indictments are handed down.

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Speaker 3: What occurs before a grand jury is secret by design,

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Speaker 3: and and and that's just bizarre. She I don't know

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00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: what Georgia law is. I think there's some real possibility

840
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: that she has violated Georgia law by doing that, and

841
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: and and could face real penalties for that. It's bizarre,

842
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 3: it did it. She certainly did real damage to the

843
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 3: prosecutor's case. I am sure we will see litigation, uh

844
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: motions focusing on how this was a partisan witch hunt.

845
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: And you know, there's an irony to the phrase partisan

846
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Speaker 3: witch hunt, because when she went on her media tour

847
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 3: and out of herself, you know, she decided she wanted

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Speaker 3: the world to know that she was the four person

849
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Speaker 3: of this grand jury. People naturally looked and said, well,

850
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 3: who is this person? And her pinterest included pins on

851
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Speaker 3: topics that included astrology and crystals and potions and spellcastings

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00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: and symbols and tarot card reading, and more than a

853
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Speaker 3: few people uh observed with some irony that that that

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Speaker 3: the four person of a grand jury leading a witch

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Speaker 3: hunt appears to have some, uh some significant involvement in

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Speaker 3: general genuine interest in witchcraft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Welcome to why people are so

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Speaker 2: angry in America right now? And I if there's anything

859
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Speaker 2: I can say, I'm with you America on this one.

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Speaker 2: I'm sick and tired of it. I think it's very

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Speaker 2: clear Center you're second tative as well.

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Speaker 1: The figuring out.

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Speaker 2: Part is how do we fight back illegally and start

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Speaker 2: to defend ourselves from this from the left that has

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Speaker 2: gone completely rogue.

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Speaker 2: Each platform calls it a little something different. Make sure

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Speaker 2: you don't miss a single episode, and make sure you

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Speaker 2: write a five story review. Why because that helps us

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Speaker 2: reach new listeners that may never have seen this show before.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, as always for listening. We'll see you back here

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Speaker 1: in a couple of days