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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: doing a couple of episodes here with Houndsman and their Hounds.

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Speaker 1: On this podcast, we're meeting with my good friends Steve Hurt.

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Speaker 1: Steve is seventy years old and they've they're pictures of

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Speaker 1: attention to the Houndsman XP podcast. Chris pal and Steve

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Speaker 1: several months ago. They they produced several well, I think

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Speaker 1: obviously I think that would have been the third cross

428
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: heard Smoky. Those dogs went up to to to Washington

429
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: State place like that, and they all excel. Landry's Captain

430
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: kid was one of those, and they became his Dad's

431
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: reputation started growing immediately with because people say, this is

432
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: the best dog I've ever seen in my life. And

433
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: Toby Harroll up there in the best bear hunter at

434
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: that time in Washington State. Was he bought two or

435
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: three of and he said, these are these are better

436
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: than anybody else has he said. I went down to

437
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: I drove the natural. But when we get into the

438
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: breeding article later, I have some more, some deep, deep

439
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: theories about why that they. I mean, if if you

440
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: want to stack a gold you can't go get a

441
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: bunch of red bricks and then paint them gold. You

442
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: have to keep stacking gold to make a gold stack.

443
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean you you, if you ever, if you ever

444
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: lose even one generation of that strain that you're working on,

445
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: then then it's so hard to try to go back

446
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 1: because you can't find it. We nobody in this day

447
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: and age has the time or the patience or maybe

448
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: the ability to start a brand new breed of dog.

449
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: And so we we're relying clear back on those guys

450
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: from the forties, back in the thirties and the forties,

451
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: that that that lived in those mountains and bread those dogs,

452
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: and they didn't keep cold. They couldn't afford to feed

453
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: it up. They could not afford defeated us. So they

454
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: kept the very best and they bread to the very best,

455
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: and they had to walk over the mountain, they would

456
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: do it. And if those puffs didn't turn out, you

457
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: know what they did, they got rid of See what

458
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying so, so by ninety seven they had they

459
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: had they had built twelve dogs. That's what the old

460
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: timers would say that there was about twelve dogs that

461
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: were the epitome of anything that plot had ever been

462
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: or would ever be. Okay, And and certain people caught

463
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: right on Cliburnett kind of started a lot of it.

464
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: Hacks deal caught on every Willams caught on. My dad

465
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: caught on that if you would breed just a very

466
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: tight circle around those very very very best dogs, that

467
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: you could always have that kind of that caliber dog.

468
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: But if you let down your standards and bread to

469
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: something lower, so go ahead. The the the problem is

470
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: is that people you would think, i mean someone that

471
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: knew nothing about big game dogs would just think that, oh,

472
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: you got a bared dog, well, it's gonna produce a

473
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: bared dog. But that's not that true. I mean, even

474
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: inside of good lines of bare dogs, you still have

475
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: a lot of misses. Well, you want as consistency, and

476
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: that's one thing that you guys have that found is

477
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: how to consistently produce dogs. Is that right? Yeah, exactly exactly,

478
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: And And and the funny thing is Dad Dad was

479
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: one of the Dad and Ever were every Williams, where

480
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: two of the people that went and went against the green,

481
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: the big breeders back then. We're trying to tell you

482
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: make sure that you bread unrelated dogs. Well immediately you

483
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: and I I don't know whether it than to mention

484
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, some of the old timers or not, but

485
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: but there were certain people that had as good a

486
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: bloodlines as what Dad had Ever had, or Clamburnett had

487
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: or or or Rags Nichols had, but they immediately would

488
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: breed that line to something that was not related, and

489
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: immediately immediately they lost even inside of breeding it to

490
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: a good dog. That's what you're saying that if the

491
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: dog could walk on water, puppies are still gonna see.

492
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: That's not intuitive, like you wouldn't. So you're saying breaking

493
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: outside of those family lines even in the same Yeah,

494
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: you just can't do it. You're just you're just it

495
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: a man from Sweden that that doesn't really believe in

496
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: the line breeding stuff. You might end up get to

497
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: hear this, jan If you hear this, Um, he didn't

498
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: really believe in the line breeding, but he but they

499
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: said to be to become prepotent, which means that you

500
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: produced way above the normal of the breed. Uh that

501
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: he wants somebody wanted to. Has there ever been a

502
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: prepotent dog that was not tightly bred? And no, there's no.

503
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: It has to be in order to to produce the

504
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: Morgan horse breed JP Morgan. They in order to they

505
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: had this one horse that was perfect. Well, the only

506
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: way that they could reproduce him was to breed him

507
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: to his sister and then breathe that daughter back to

508
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: the stallion. And they intensely bred for a Morgan horse

509
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: from one horse. They just kept rereading right around closer,

510
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: and and that's how they built a Morgan breed. Well,

511
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: the best to the Plothhouns were built built, say bread,

512
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: the same way. And I found out, you know, talking

513
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: to old Plot family friends years and years and years ago.

514
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: The Plot family would bring a brother to a sister

515
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: or a dad to his daughter just immediately, and they

516
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: did it a lot, but they sometimes didn't exactly tell

517
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: it that way, you know what I'm saying. I mean,

518
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: sometimes they acted like they didn't They didn't lie, they

519
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: just didn't have the actual names. N you didn't know

520
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: they were brother and sister. So yeah, but well but

521
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: the only way to establish a strain and to hang

522
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: onto a straight right. Now, we you know, we just

523
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: go out there in our yard. We can breed any

524
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: dog in our yard to any dog in our yard,

525
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: and we don't feel one bit ashamed of doing it.

526
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: And you've been doing it for sixty years, and we've

527
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: been doing and it's not and we know what it's producing. Yeah,

528
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I I have pictures in here of of

529
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: dog meetings and I brought them along intentionally just because

530
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: so you see something here and and I somebody says,

531
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: what's the best what's the best cross you ever made? Well,

532
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: Bouncer to Donnath do this and that was one of

533
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: my best. And then Bouncer to Sue, and then Candy

534
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: to Brigg and then it just goes on and on

535
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: and on. But once again, it's just the same dogs

536
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: all over doing just just you know, turning just the

537
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: same field. We just keep turning it over, planting a

538
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: new crop. I mean, we want well, hey, before we

539
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: get too far down that pretty let's go back to

540
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: the history of Bluff Creek. And what I'm interested in

541
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: is at what point did did you guys and people

542
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: begin to realize that or what point did Bluff Creek

543
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: begin to have a lot of successful big game and

544
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: lead me into bear Path Gunner. Okay, okay, okay, So gosh,

545
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: I get to think a minute. You can edit some

546
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: of this stuff, right, Okay. So Dad sold Bluff Creek

547
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: Drive to a man in Cherry Belle, Kansas. That man

548
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: sent drive to his uncle. You can't holme in to

549
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: all this because it's been a while, but he sent

550
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: it to his uncle who lived just west of Salem, Illinois,

551
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: where EVERYT Williams lived. EVERT Williams had already bred up

552
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: his strain of dogs for about three generations, and he

553
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: had Williams Blott Susie who was out of Nickel Stormy

554
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: and the Plots Fannie bloodline, the same thing as Trouble was.

555
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: So he had Suddenly he was looking for a male dog,

556
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: and he was as particular as any other human being

557
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: has ever been looking for a certain male dog. Tom

558
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Telford happened to be over there and saw this dog

559
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: Bluff Creek Drive, okay, and he said, ever, I found

560
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: a dog, so let's go. So they went over and

561
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: looked the dog, and I have a picture of every

562
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: standard front the dough and this was the epitome of

563
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: what a plotoun should looked like. And Edwards saw the pedigree,

564
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: he said, oh my god, this is the perfect dog

565
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: right here. This is exactly what I'm looking for. So

566
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: he took him home with him and bred Susie, and

567
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: it produced a litter of pups that is can still

568
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: considered by most people who already know as the greatest

569
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: litter of plot pups ever born. Okay, and that would

570
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: be a weimsplot John Welliamsplot Chap Iron Mountain, Moon Cascade, Candy,

571
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: four hundred bear Kills uh uh uh, Mr Roks and

572
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: Nancy Female um of Ursus beams Blot, Jody. The entire

573
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: litter became famous just bear dogs, I mean the best

574
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: bear dogs anywhere from from from one cross. And so

575
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: those that letter went out and a lot of other

576
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: strains were developed. The Earth's Strange started with Jody. The

577
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Weems Strange started with that. Dennis Paul since Iron Mount

578
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: Strange started with that cross. Mr Marks Strange start with

579
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: that cross. And Burton the Burton Boys, Penny Female, their

580
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: whole line started with that with up from that cross.

581
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: So a little bit later it was decided by Dennis

582
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: Paulson and a few people that in order to try

583
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: to reproduce that the quality of that litter, you need

584
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: to take two people, two litters mates from that litter

585
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: and and and have the image like the grandparents or something. Okay.

586
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: So this is when I kind of came in and

587
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: I knew exactly, just like my dad knew what he

588
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: was looking for, I knew exactly what I was looking for.

589
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: I had the weems John dogs. How what's the time

590
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: frame here? How old would you have been? Well, I

591
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: was the last time we talked for years old? Yeah,

592
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: I yah. Once again, I'm just I'm just following because

593
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: I didn't have any input whatsoever. Okay. And then when

594
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: I got out of college, I graduated and called it

595
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: in sixty eight, and then I went I was married

596
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: and stuff. And then by about nineteen seventy I started

597
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: coon hunting and I found I got dogs that were

598
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: just nothing. I mean, there were plots, they were brintle,

599
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: they were brindle dog, and they were they just weren't

600
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: worth not a gallon of dog food. They just weren't.

601
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: So Dad said, Steve, I'm gonna help you out. So

602
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: he called every said, ever, what do you have and

603
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: every so well, I got a pup up here, he's

604
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: out of your dogs on top and your dogs on

605
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: the bottom. Got iron mountain moon on the bottom, coal

606
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: creek bouncer that dad had raised the mom of and

607
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: ween slot John out of Bluff Creek drive on top.

608
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: So I'll send that pup. So he sent that pup

609
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: down to me. And that was the Judd dog that

610
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: i've this kind of famous from ripping the front of the

611
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: the of the of the the doghouse off and dragging

612
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: it to the creek. And I started hunting him, and

613
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: no I didn't I turn him to loos and I

614
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: followed him through the woods and heat. I had treated

615
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: like six coons that fall until I got him. And

616
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: once he broke off the front of the doghouse and

617
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: treat those five cons, then he treated ninety three more

618
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: coons in a like forty five days, he by himself.

619
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: You gotta tell us the story of them ripping the

620
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: dog box. I know exactly. But but but okay, so

621
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: right there, right there, I laying on the floor, I

622
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: had this great big Somebody sent me the big long pedigh.

623
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't afford it. Somebody sent me the big long pedigree.

624
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: I think Dennis Balls of this of this cross, and

625
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, this is the most incredible dog that

626
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: I have ever witnessed in my life. This is what

627
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: the Plot family was breeding for. This is what every

628
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: Plot hoound should be. This this extreme intense dog that

629
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: could be could be treeing on a tree with electric

630
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: fence tied to it, and it would knock him in

631
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: the water five to six times, and he would get

632
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: up and continue tree and it would knock him in

633
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: the water. He was in the water, and and all

634
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: the other dogs were in to pick up because they

635
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: couldn't stand that that kind of pressure. And he would

636
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: not leave that tree. And I thought, somehow, the rest

637
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: of my life I have to dedicate this nineteen seventy one. Somehow,

638
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: the rest of my life I have to dedicate myself

639
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna keep these dogs to breeding dogs exactly

640
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: like that dog. So he was. And by the way,

641
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: by now my dad is kind of stepped back. He

642
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: has done his job. He bought me that dog. Okay,

643
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: so it's my it's my decision to to breed around Judge.

644
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: So Judge Daddy was Weamsplot dog. By ways Plot John,

645
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: his mother was Iron Mountain Cricket by Cold Creek Bouncer

646
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: who was mother was Tracy Cindy Sue, who was litermatee

647
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: to Left Creek Drug. Okay, so I yes, he's certainly

648
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: the story. He's heard these stories so many times. He'll

649
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: get taught pretty soon because we'll have him tell you

650
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: how he picked out his his start up his dogs, Okay,

651
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: and he did really well. Okay, So so I took,

652
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: I took. I had wayams plot John on the bottom.

653
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: So I looked and looked and looked, and I found

654
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: an ugly old dog in West Virginia named being something

655
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: Carpenter's Ben, and I traded a little trading and I

656
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: ended up getting him. And he was ugly little dog,

657
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: but he was bred better than any other dog in

658
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: the world at the time as far as the plodhounds concern.

659
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: And he was at a Grand Night Champion Colt Creek Bouncer,

660
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: Grand Knot Champion, Iron Mountain. Moon Moon's daddy was Bluff

661
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: Creek Drive. Bouncer's mother was Tracy Sidy Sue. That was

662
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: the first cousin to first cousin, you know, cross right there.

663
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: So I took him and bred him to those two two.

664
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: I had to Williams plot John female and immediately, immediately,

665
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: first thing thing I did, I got very path Gunner,

666
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: all heart Millie, all those dogs from that limb, and

667
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: I got I got Bluff Creek. They came out of

668
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: that cross. They come out of that cross. Because that

669
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: and that's all I had to do. All I had

670
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: to do was look at that set of papers. And

671
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: all I had to do was duplicate. If I had

672
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: paper and find me, I'd write for you. All I

673
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: had to do was duplicate judge pedigree by flip flopping

674
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: it and used I used answer and cricket, we're brother

675
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: and sister, okay, And then I put Williams pluck John

676
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: in there. And just like they said to do. So

677
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: that litter is what produced barre path Gunner. That's that's fun.

678
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: And that's my first shot. That was my first attempt.

679
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: What year was one, I think nineteen seventy one. And

680
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: here I am a little otle kid down here in Oklahoma,

681
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: young guy, you know, thirty years old or whatever it

682
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: was forty eight plus anyway, and and uh I sent,

683
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: and I sent when I said, okay, Woody, would we

684
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: got a hold of me said, hey, hold on, let

685
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: me stop you right there. We gotta go back. You

686
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: said something that you got to tell, at least the

687
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: short version of the story of this dog ripping off

688
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: the dog box and going and treeing. Okay, Okay. When

689
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: I got Judd, I had three females. When I had

690
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: three females, and they were daughters and granddaughters of some

691
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: extremely highly advertised dogs coon dogs. Okay, but they didn't

692
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: have the Smith deal dogs in it. They didn't have

693
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: all that stuff in there. And the truth is I

694
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: wanted to hunt. I had a seven cell Texan flashlight

695
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: that I carried and twenty two rifle that I carried,

696
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: and I wanted I really wanted a good dog. So

697
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: they bought me this. Think. Well, I get Jud, I

698
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: go to which tall and every every weeam sent him.

699
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: Dad paid for a hundred dollars a hundred fidget doll

700
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: So I got to which to drive up to, which

701
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: to go in the big which to International Airport? And

702
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: there's a dog baying back there. What the hell? What

703
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: the heck? So I go. So I walked back down

704
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: there and there's this brintal dog, just wild eyed and

705
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: kind of I would have to say crazy okay, and

706
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: I said, my name's on the creek Steve heard. I said, like,

707
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: I said, my dog, And I said, what's going on?

708
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: And they said, well, said somebody was shipping out a

709
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: bunch of cats and they were over here in these

710
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: other crates, and said that ever since that dog got here,

711
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: he'd been smelling those cats and he has not shut

712
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: up one time. I thought, well, you think better. I

713
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: think that might be a good deal, and I I did.

714
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: I had a leash with me, and did he mean? He?

715
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: He took off running and janked me down and drugged

716
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: me around looking for those cats. He wanted those cats.

717
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: So I take this puff home. He's nine months old,

718
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: so I take him home, or he might have been

719
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: eight by that. I take him home and I put

720
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: him on this great, big old doghouse. Well, if a

721
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: squirrel goes by, or a cat roes bite, or another

722
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: dog or a bird, you know, oh my gosh, hold on,

723
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: this is my son, Brandon. Brandon, how are you doing doing? Brother?

724
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: Get we're talking about joke. Yeah, have a seat, okay, okay,

725
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: we go there, we go. Okay, So he's too wild,

726
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: I said, Dad's got a hundred and fifty invested, and

727
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: this was pretty good money back then, and I thought,

728
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't just turn him loose, and you know,

729
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: go go go come up with him. Something's gonna happen

730
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: to So for about two weeks I hunted those females

731
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: and I couldn't. I could treat coon, but I had

732
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: to do with my flashlight to do it. So my wife,

733
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: uh Brandon's mom, hauled me a mile north and I

734
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: took the three females and I'm walking down the creek

735
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: with my seven cell and my flashlight, I mean, and

736
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: my gun and walk a little way, and all of

737
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: a sudden, I hear a dog treat and I mean,

738
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: I don't mean marking, I'm talking tree tree treat. So

739
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: I get I started. I kind of speed things up,

740
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: and pretty soon the females quit walking with me and

741
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: went down there at the tree. And of course they

742
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: didn't say anything when they got there, and so I

743
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: walk in there and holy cow, not only is there

744
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: some coons in the tree, but there's old Judd there

745
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: and Judge still tied to the front of his doghouse.

746
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: He's still tied to great big a frame. I mean,

747
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: I'm talking it was two before is in Plywood. In

748
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: it it weighed twenty pounds itself, just that door, and

749
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: he had he'd he went through some barbed wire fences

750
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: and was treated on this on and this is so

751
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: this is the dog nine months and he's never seen

752
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: a he's never he has never seen he has never seen.

753
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 1: He you think he winded the coons from fairhouse? Yeah, yeah,

754
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: they were. They came down bluff creed. He went on,

755
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: this is not this is in Pratt, Kansas, Okay. So

756
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: I thought, well, what the hell? And so he's drug

757
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: that you went and treated. I just want to clarify

758
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: just he was. He was chained and he went he

759
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: went from here to those trees, which is two hundred

760
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: yards away, and was treated solid. So with the doghouse

761
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: still tied just to the front, he ripped it off.

762
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: He ripped it off. So so I I unsnapped him.

763
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: I thought, well, I drugged the deal and you weren't

764
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: hunting this dog, because so we we went to we

765
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: went down on the neighbors and and we treated more

766
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: coons at night, and then from then on, I just

767
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: walked down the road and just turn him loose, and

768
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: which are ways he would win and wherever way he'd

769
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: stick his nose. Just follow him and he never ever ever,

770
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: he'd never quit. He never missed a night of training

771
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: a coon. You could. You could hunt him at noon.

772
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: You can hunt him at two o'clock in afternoon. We

773
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: can hunt him right now. And if he is alive

774
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: and we'll go tree, you could. He could find them,

775
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: just find them. He could win like that. I hate

776
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: to tell this, but I'm going to when when coon

777
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: highest prides were high, price coon hides price as were high,

778
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: and and I didn't have a lot of money, and

779
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: I would take an aluminum ladder and we would go

780
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: up to actually to Bluff Creek and I would throw

781
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: that over my shoulder and follow him and he would

782
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: tree a coon. He never missed. He just never been.

783
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: And if you tried to bobcat tree. That's why you

784
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: bring a ladder. Yeah, absolutely, tree and the dan tree

785
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: during the day while it came to sleep, and you'd

786
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: get up there and get the coon. Yeah, and you're

787
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: not supposed to, but but I did. And it's been

788
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: long enough to subset your limitations is run out, so

789
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: so uh, that's that's during the day. I know that

790
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: that's not illegal, is it? But anyway, and then you

791
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: try to bobcat hunting on on mules, on on horses.

792
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: We did, and you know, and he'd pull off and

793
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: go tree a coon and you'd go ahead and do

794
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: your bobcat hunt. Come back four or five hours later,

795
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: there is solid on that tree, all the bark rubbed

796
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: off of it. And then uh, at fifteen months old,

797
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: I was gonna go to plot days to show them

798
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: what a coon dog was. And we were bobcat hunting

799
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: North Protection, Kansas with my dad, and he he located

800
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: a coon. We took him back up, put him on

801
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: the bubcat track. He hit towtry licks and headed that

802
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: way and we heard him get run over by a car,

803
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: hit by sixty three shivy four or night. He about

804
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: think fifteen eighteen months old, probably eighteen months old, okay,

805
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: and so and so they we took him to vetinary

806
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: at which stall, and they said give him thirty days,

807
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: but he's not ever gonna walk again. And so on

808
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: the thirtieth day, he was laying behind my house and Pratt, Kansas,

809
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: and a cat walked by and he got up for

810
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: the first time in thirty days, got up and tried

811
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: to catch that cat. He drug a leg he had lost,

812
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: he lost his bells, were constantly running and everything. But

813
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: we took him to the vetinaryan and they cut one

814
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: leg completely off, so he was three legged. Part of

815
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: his tail was missing. He dripped stuff. And I took

816
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: him to Illinois. I should know, but I did. I

817
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: took him to Illinois and Everard said, well, I want

818
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: to I want to help that dog. And I said, well,

819
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: let's go. So Evert, me and a whole group of

820
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: guys took one of Everitt's dogs and him and we

821
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: walked away from days at Flora and we treat. We

822
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: struck five coons, treat three coons on the outside, and

823
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: uh and Judd got all the strikes, all the trees,

824
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: and we got back in there and we're sitting around.

825
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: We're sitting around the deal and ever we're shaking his

826
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: head and he said, Fellis, I'm gonna tell you something

827
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: right now. That dog, that three legged dog right there,

828
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: that kind of smells. He said, that is a better

829
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: dog than ninety five percent of the people in Illinois

830
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: have ever seen, have ever seen, said you just no one,

831
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: no one has a dog like that. So once again

832
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: he was. He was the dog that I started, That's yeah.

833
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: And see I had other I had and that was

834
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: d Creek jud yesterday and so so, and I knew

835
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: all I had to do was duplicate his pedigree just

836
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: like a stereo, you know, just like I mean, flip

837
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: something over and then just do it. And that's what

838
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: I did. And that's why I got his sister Sue

839
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: from every whams okay, and same bloodline there. And then

840
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: we then I found on it up in Wyoming and

841
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: she had the Sparlan's Jane and Ween fluted on the

842
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: bottom side. And I knew it would work. I just

843
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: knew it would in tuition already. Okay, So I got

844
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: in that in in that produced Bear Path Gunner. So

845
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: tell us about Bear Path Gunner. Okay. I it's hard

846
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: to talk about bear Peth Gunner without well I just

847
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: now told you the story of Judd. Okay, So, so

848
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: bear Peth Gunner in the bear dog world was what

849
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: Judd was in the condog By the way, I've never

850
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: seen a dog as good as Judge in my entire life.

851
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: My Candy female was it was probably as good as

852
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: a female. But I've never seen a male coon dog

853
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: in my life as a good a judge, I never

854
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: expect to ever see one again. Okay, So when I

855
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: hunted with Gunner, I was so flabbergasted. We we had

856
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: some days, we had nine dogs and yeah, I mean

857
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: it is a pup. Yeah. Well he was five and

858
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: a half months old, but he was already doing incredible

859
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: stuff at home. I mean, if some guys come up.

860
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: One night we went coon hunt, and I thought he

861
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: was too young to take five months old because I

862
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: had plenty of young dog. And we put the with

863
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: a coon on the ground that was cold, and when

864
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: we sitting here drink coffee for two hours, and when

865
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: we came out, we couldn't find Gunner or the coon.

866
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: And we went clear out to the barn and he

867
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: had drugged that coon too, about two hundred yards and

868
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: was still fighting him and fighting him and fighting him

869
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: and fighting him and you know, trying to get the

870
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: coon to come back to life so I could kick

871
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: his but you know, and he would stay treated on

872
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: a possum for ever, I mean just forever. So I

873
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: read Dad told me. Dad told me that this dog

874
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: was very special. And when he Dad had him, he

875
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: was born at my Dad's place in protection Cancer was

876
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: right where I live now, okay. And then Dad sent

877
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: him down to me about four and a half months old.

878
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: He was already doing incredible stuff. And so anyway we

879
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: sent him to Idaho, him and and a little female

880
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: named Betty. Uh to what he would be in Bovi

881
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: a lot at home, a bear fell out of the

882
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: tree and crushed Betty on her fourth on her fourth one.

883
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: So I sent him up Billy and Barney, and Billy

884
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: turned out to be the world famous all heart Millie,

885
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: who everybody said was ever been as good as as Gunner. Okay,

886
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: So those two dogs are right there. And then I

887
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: have a picture of him here somewhere. There was one

888
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: more male pupp at home and uh Wood. He sent

889
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: me down four dollars, I think, And I went to

890
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: the owner of him and said, what he wants that dog?

891
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: And here's this check. And the guy said, you can

892
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: take him with you, but you gave me the dog.

893
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm giving you back giving you the check so I

894
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: could use it, you know. So so I went up

895
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 1: and hunting with him, and we treat bear every day.

896
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: He struck. Nobody could outstrike a bear hunter in Idaho. Yeah,

897
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: he was, yeah, but and and what he had some

898
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: health problems, and wood he did not he would not

899
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: get off the road, but he was he would. He

900
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: told you where everything was at. I was a young buck,

901
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 1: I was a rancher. I was in shape. I knew

902
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: how to shoot. And every day I would stay with

903
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: Woody and we would Gunner would strike and we would

904
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: drop him out. And then pretty soon it was just

905
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: a one dog deal. And Gunner I went talk. We

906
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: were hunting with good dogs out of Idaho, I mean,

907
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, out of Idaho, Oregon, Washington, everywhere, and but

908
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: it was just always gonna. It was just always Gunner. Okay,

909
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: So what he would say, Okay, gunners around there fighting

910
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: a bear by himself, take this gun, go down there

911
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: and shoot the bear. I get down there. Gunners completely

912
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: by himself, got this bear, bade up my Becky female

913
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: had split off, and treat them, treat the daughter or

914
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: create a puff or a kitten. What did the heck

915
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: you call him a cub? I was, yeah, I couldn't

916
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: think of it any They split and Becky went and

917
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: treat the cub, and and Gunner bade this thing up.

918
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: And then when I got down with my gun. The

919
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: bear took off running, and then a local farmer picked

920
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: Gunner up off the tree. He treat this female. So

921
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: then the next day we treat a red bear way

922
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: off in the mountains, and Gunny what he said, here,

923
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: take the gun, go in there. If the bear slipped

924
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: six inches, shoot the son of a gun. And I

925
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: was in there forty three minutes before another dog showed up.

926
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: And then I was there that much longer before hunter

927
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: searching up he was, he was that much further. He

928
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: was forty minutes, forty minutes faster than everything. And then

929
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: the next day we we did it again. Becky went

930
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: with him on this next one and we treat, and

931
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: little Brandon was with me and lost a shoe on

932
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: the way in there. He can tell me if he

933
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: was here having to tell you this, right, and uh,

934
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: but he we hunted. I'm we hunted. We hunted. Every day.

935
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: We hunted with from eight dogs to forty dogs. And

936
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: one day, every single day in bear country, one dog

937
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: did all the strike and all the leading, all the treeing,

938
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: all the obeying. One dog. And it was Gunner. It

939
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: was him. And these other dogs were good dogs, but

940
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: they thought you had to trail a bear out and

941
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: gutter just cut across the country to the bear and

942
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: no one found it. Yeah, he got to see Brandon,

943
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: my son, Brandon. Uh, Brandon just showed up. He just

944
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: showed up. And he was with us. He was with

945
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 1: me when we went into Gunners tree Gunner and Becky

946
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: in there when you had to flip little shoes on. Yeah,

947
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: and I'm we're trying to hurry and I'm grabbing him

948
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: by the arm. And Brandon, how old were you eight?

949
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: Let him? Let him have your deal for a second. Okay,

950
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: it was a summer. So I got him by the

951
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: hand and we're running through the woods. He had a

952
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: little bit as but back then and pretty see, said dad.

953
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: And I'm dragging him at the mountain, said he said, Dad.

954
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: Pretty soon I stopped. Said what he said, My shoes

955
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: stuck in the water. Back So I run back down

956
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: there and his little sneaker is stuck in the mud

957
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: down there, and there's water running around it but not

958
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: into it. Pulled me straight out of my shoes, and

959
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: so we we stuck it back. I thought I thought

960
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: bear hunting. I didn't know he meant barefoot, you know.

961
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: And so and so we get to the tree and

962
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: and there's two You can't hear anything underneath three because

963
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: two dogs, Gunner and Becky are so loud that the

964
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: tree and together now there's six dogs. Maybe I was

965
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: lacking oxygen. I don't really remember. So anyway, I'm gonna

966
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: try to speed this story up a little bit. But anyway,

967
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: a bear hunter from California on a bear hunter a

968
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: lawyer with a seven millimeter magnum and a scope on.

969
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: He wiped all that Mount St. Helen's dust out the

970
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: end of that scope. You can see. He said, oh,

971
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: I can see's black. And I said, what he said,

972
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: just pullet trigger or not woody, But another guy said,

973
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: just pullet trigger. So he pulls the trigger. The bear

974
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: hits the ground, and the bear is on his back

975
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: and he is fighting dogs. And I an old coold

976
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: hunting trick. There's another big old boy there, and I

977
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: grabbed a branch and we stuck it in the bear's mouth,

978
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: just rammed it in, and then we stood on that

979
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: branch so that the bear would, you know. And then

980
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: somebody come up and popped him one more time. So

981
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: we skinned the bear out, and the whoever was guiding

982
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: the hunt of Orally. It couldn't have been some some

983
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: younger guy. It was either orally or or would he

984
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: because we were with what we yeah, we would What

985
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: do you made that? What he made that, it wouldn't

986
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: very went far, very far in there, So so what

987
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: do he said? Okay, everybody carries something, so okay, let okay,

988
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: so everybody, he said, nobody walks out of here bear handed. Okay,

989
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: no pun intendant on that. Nobody walks out of here

990
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: empty handed. And I look around and I see evidently

991
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: a bare pizzol is worth quite a bit, you know,

992
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: for for wealthy people stirring coffees or whatever. So I thought, well,

993
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I thought, well, if that's important,

994
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: I might as well carry that. I might know the

995
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: other parts, the two parts that I had some single

996
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: bells coming out. So I look back and I said, ottah,

997
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: mountain oysters. He said what he said, everybody had to

998
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: carry something, so he So that's been That's been my

999
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: claim to fame, is that I can walk out of

1000
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: the mountains on my first bear hunt, got the bear by.

1001
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: I'd say that it was pretty pretty uh insightful, but

1002
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: that that being my first hunt, I that was probably

1003
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: if I hunted twenty more times, that would probably be

1004
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: the most memorable one. What we were talking about was

1005
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: just how legendary bear path Gunner became. Yeah, and uh

1006
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: and so it's pretty cool that you I meant a

1007
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: little boy that it was neat and I, you know,

1008
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: at the time I was I was an only child

1009
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: at that age, and I had the dogs were kind

1010
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: of my siblings. So we spent a lot of time

1011
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: out playing in the yard and I'd go run from him,

1012
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: and you know, they they'd track me down and I'd

1013
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: tell Dad, well, this one's got you know, this one's

1014
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: the fastest, this one when I'm hidden. And yeah. When

1015
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: when when Eugene Walker ordered a puppy out of Gunner

1016
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: and Becky and he told me that he wanted he said,

1017
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: all I care is I want the fastest puppy in

1018
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: the entire one bunch, because of here in West Virginia,

1019
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: we kind of like fast dog. So Brandon went out

1020
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: with his bicycle and we had a dead rabbit. We

1021
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: shot a rabbit and we tied it on the back

1022
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: there and I would open the cage and all the

1023
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: maybe eight pup snidler anyway, So anyway. He so he

1024
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: would and he would go a quarter of a mile

1025
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: with that bicycle and and the hank pup Pocahona sank

1026
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: always always lit everything else, all the way up, all

1027
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: the way back, and so he got even. Yeah, and

1028
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: you'll see him in the pedigrees. You still do a

1029
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: lot of lots and lots of pedigrees. Yeah, But but

1030
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: that was him. Yeah. And Gunner was so personable. I

1031
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: remember staying at Woolly's house up there and I you know,

1032
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: lay down on the floor and Gunner just coming was

1033
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: like a house dog, wouldn't he. Yeah, I mean he

1034
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: was never remember never. I think if you had told

1035
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: him he was a dog, e't upset him because he

1036
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: I think you really just thought he was a short

1037
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: human short. Yeah, And like hanging out with the very

1038
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: first night. What he said, Okay, now, I said, we're

1039
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: just gonna sleep. He so, well, he's there's a great

1040
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: big desk in there, and he's supposed to sleep underneath

1041
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: that desk. But he's I've got a bed for him there.

1042
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: But he said, listen to this. He said he had

1043
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 1: wood floors. He said, come here, listen, listen to this story. Kids,

1044
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna close this door and listen what happened. So

1045
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: we close the door, and all of a sudden you

1046
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: could hear it click, and you could hear the Gunner.

1047
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: He jumped up on the bed and he was he

1048
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: was in there, you know, sleeping on the bed. And

1049
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: then wood he would gore and rattle the door hendl

1050
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: and you heard Gunna jump off and go back. He

1051
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be in Okay. And some people, some people,

1052
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, bear hunters, believed that all these little cute

1053
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 1: stories about Gunner and the fact that he would listen

1054
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 1: to humans and that he wasn't even broke to Alicia

1055
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: as far as we know that that would made himn

1056
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: less of a bear dog. But you know what, the

1057
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: more intelligence you can have a bear dog life far

1058
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: the better. So yeah, well so so would he ended

1059
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: up selling Bear Path Gunner to a guy in Wisconsin.

1060
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: And that's a guy, yeah, Mike, because still around Okay.

1061
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: See I when it when Becky, when we were I

1062
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: don't know what all you can put in here, and

1063
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: you can always cut stuff out. When we were up

1064
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: there and and and Gunner saw Becky, he just perked

1065
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: up and went from flying over to her and then

1066
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: jumped up on her and and what He said, She's

1067
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: coming in heat and I said, no, no, no, she

1068
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't be in heat for like six more months. He said, well,

1069
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: what's the deal, And I said, he smells a kinship

1070
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: or something. I really don't know. I don't know, but

1071
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: I said, we love at first sight. But well it

1072
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: was and and the truth is, when he wasn't hunting

1073
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: and she would just stand around, he was over there

1074
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: with her almost all the time. So I read, uh,

1075
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: I read the most famous third red breeder in the world.

1076
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: Believed that a lot of times natural selection was important. Okay, no,

1077
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: this is kind of been the breeding deal again. So

1078
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: if he would lead a mayor through a bunch of

1079
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: stallions and the one that she chose, that's how he

1080
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: would breathe. And he raised more steakes winners per hundred

1081
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: than any other human as they were done. Okay, Well,

1082
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: when it came time to read Becky, Becky was a

1083
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: super super dog, okay, just all the way around. And

1084
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't find a male that I thought was good

1085
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: enough for her in the Central Parl, United States. And

1086
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: I didn't have one myself because at that time I

1087
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: was afraid to bread, you know, brothers, sister. So so

1088
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I'm gonna bread the Gunner. Well,

1089
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: by then he'd been sold to Mike Rick Luck. So

1090
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: I got a hold of Mike and I said, Mike,

1091
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: I want to read my Becky female. You know, I

1092
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: gave all the I thought he would just say, sure,

1093
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: bring her up. You know, he said three ter fitty dollars.

1094
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: I said, I'm sold that dog to Woody for like

1095
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: a hundred seventy five. He said, well, it's three hundred fits. Daughters,

1096
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: you can read or not to, you know, and and

1097
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: and the truths. By then so many people wanting to

1098
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: read to the dog that that kind of had to

1099
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: living him somehow. So I borrowed the money I think

1100
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: for my dad, put her into crate, shipped her up there,

1101
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: brought her home, and she had you know that fantastic

1102
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: litter of you know, of dogs. I mean Pocahona's Hankin

1103
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: and Mike Candy and and Gunner I mean, well Gunner two,

1104
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: which is red and and just super super super dogs,

1105
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean, just real things. So the next time she

1106
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: came in here, about a year later, I got ahold

1107
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: of Mike he said, I want too meal pups. That's

1108
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: what I want this time. So I said, yeah, that's fine.

1109
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: I think I sound sold him like thunder and lightning

1110
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: or something. So so that and that's, you know, that's

1111
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: kind of how And then and then so I had

1112
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: already I had taken I had taken a you know,

1113
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: two half brother, half brother, half sister, actually three quarter brother,

1114
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: three quarter sister, and bred him together. And once again,

1115
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: some even ever said he thought that I was going

1116
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: to get you know, short little dogs, because I was

1117
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: doubled up on bouncer and I didn't. I got world

1118
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: world beaters, you know. So what I was doing, what

1119
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: we were doing, was just keep we were We kept

1120
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: adding all those genetics that those ones I showed you

1121
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: how to go, you know, all that North Carolina tong

1122
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: all that Nickels store me, all that stuff. Over and over.

1123
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: We just kept adding it right back into the things.

1124
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: And it can't escape. It's just there. You know. If

1125
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: you put them with put that dog with a good hunter,

1126
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: it's gonna make it. So Yeah, and some people don't

1127
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: believe in hund percent litters and gush. If I have

1128
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: something that's not it, it just upsets the heck out

1129
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: of me if I haven't. Yeah, So from so from there,

1130
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: which would have been bear Path Gunner lived to be

1131
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: like nine years old and died in two if I

1132
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 1: remember something like that, two Yeah, I think. I think

1133
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: he lived to be ten. But I okay, he may live.

1134
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm going off, but he but that dog kind of

1135
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: he became a nationally known dog at that time. What

1136
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: shocked me, what shot me when I went to my

1137
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: first American Plot Association days, was those old timers come

1138
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: up to me, and I'm talking about people way older

1139
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: than me, okay, and I guess they let him Old

1140
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: the Wrist home. I don't know, but but they came

1141
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: to me and said, I said, I heard that you

1142
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: was the one that raised bear Paths good and I said, yes, Sam.

1143
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: They said, my God, said all of us people down here,

1144
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: so we all have Gunner in our dogs. And those

1145
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: people from North Carolina and they had all those good

1146
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: dogs down there, but they were hauling wherever they had to,

1147
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: even from West Gunner and breeding to bear Paths Gunner.

1148
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: You know why because he was the best thing around

1149
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of times, like Cascade, Big Timber was

1150
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: a wonderful dog. I hud it with him. I loved him, okay,

1151
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: but he didn't reproduce at his level. Well, Gunner reproduced

1152
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: at an extremely highly level, high level, and that's why

1153
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: people use him. And it's hard to find a pedigree

1154
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: in bear world more that doesn't have bear paths Gunner

1155
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: in there. And sometimes maybe ten times, you know, I

1156
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: mean eight or ten times. Yeah, so especially in these

1157
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: in these lines like ferns. I think, and we went

1158
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: through all this years ago as I was learning this

1159
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: stuff from you. But you know, my my pup and

1160
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: her seven generation pedigree, I think she has a bear

1161
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: path a lot, yeah, a lot. Yeah, he's a way back.

1162
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: It's just well, let's get to a more broader picture now.

1163
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: So we've established kind of your family history and and

1164
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: and bear path Gunner and Judd and all these dogs,

1165
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: and then from you've pretty much had well, you've been

1166
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: sending dogs for bear and mountain lion hunting took professional

1167
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: a lot for a while. I mean, these are big

1168
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: game dogs. You're not really giving them the coon hunters

1169
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: that much anymore. I'm kind of an exception and that

1170
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,479
Speaker 1: we can't run big game in Arkansas, and I needed,

1171
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, but yeah, and The truth is, I the

1172
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: bear hunters. Really you can take a blue tick and

1173
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: good tree a coon, and I'm not condemning them, because

1174
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: the truth is, it's harder to breed for an extremely

1175
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: good coon dog than it is to be to breed

1176
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: for a real good bear dog. Okay, but there's people

1177
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: out there. These are irving of an exceptional bear dog,

1178
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: an exceptional lion dog, an exceptional bobcat dog, an exceptional

1179
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: hog dog, and we're producing him and we like to

1180
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: kind of get him in the good hands. I I

1181
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: do a lot of choosing about where my dogs go.

1182
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: So I took the little Creek female, went all the

1183
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: way down to where at Kweat, Oklahoma, where Brandon lives,

1184
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: and handed it to Alvin Gregg. And uh, she was

1185
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: such a well she literally no, no, she was a

1186
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 1: little bit older. But but what an exceptional hog dog.

1187
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean I got to hunt with her one time,

1188
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: and and Alvin turned to me, come back, said, now,

1189
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: I know you don't like the way the fact that

1190
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: she just kind of hunting here close, But she said

1191
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: the moment that she comes by any hogs mill, she'll

1192
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: be gone. And he turned turns around, said herd came here,

1193
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: look at this, and she was eight hundred yards. Await

1194
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: he just walked back there. She was an eight hundred yards.

1195
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: He's the next time you see her, she'll have a

1196
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: hog got Hammon. Travis took off running and they that

1197
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: there's a video of it. Gets kind of intense. And

1198
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: tell me about that dog rigging, rigging a hog on

1199
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: the highway. Or they were going seventy miles an hour

1200
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: and it closed dog box in the winter. All kinds

1201
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: of stories. But so you're these dogs have there in

1202
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: the hands of people all over the world, well and

1203
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: not all. I have never sent one overseas, and one

1204
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: I think went over there. They hunted a really weird

1205
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: style over there. They only some places you're only led

1206
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: one dog or two dogs, and I think that you're

1207
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: it's a terrible disadvantage to a dog to to be

1208
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: put in a situation where you're asking them to fail. Okay, yeah,

1209
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: well but but but I've never said it. I've never

1210
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: seen a dog to California. Okay, I've never said, yeah,

1211
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: won to Turkey. Yeah not not Japan. I had to,

1212
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: I had, I almost had. In fact, the bull pup

1213
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: was just getting ready to be shipped over there and

1214
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: then they called it kind of you know, we're not sure.

1215
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: My partner wants to know this and this, this, this,

1216
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: and I said, and I just waited about two days.

1217
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: And then he got back home. He said, Georgian and

1218
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: and and uh he said, I think we want that dog.

1219
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: And I said, uh, that dog left out of here

1220
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: two days ago. He's an Oklahoma and they absolutely love him.

1221
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: And he's he's for real, he's litter mate and for real. Yeah,

1222
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm bear hunted him up there. We're gonna take hi

1223
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: up again, hopefully, but no, he's for real. He's absolutely

1224
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: for real. So well, describe to me, and this is

1225
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: kind of going backwards a little bit. That described to

1226
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: me the characteristics that you're breeding for. Steve. Okay, when

1227
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: people hunt, people didn't think they needed nose. We had

1228
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: to have it because we hunted an Oklahoma Panhandle and

1229
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: then still down there, we expect a dog. I would

1230
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: be embarrassed if I hunted with some off color dogs

1231
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: and they struck in front of me. Okay, I mean

1232
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit of pride to maybe a

1233
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: little bit of a false wode. I don't know, but

1234
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: but I don't want that Okay. Then they have to

1235
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: have speed, because once again, you don't want somebody to

1236
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: outrun your dogs. Okay, so my dogs have to have speed.

1237
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: They have to be intelligent, and if they're if they're dumb,

1238
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: they just don't live long enough to ever get hunted. Okay,

1239
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: because I can't stand a dumb dog. I just can't

1240
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: say it. Okay. They have to be a certain size,

1241
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: and I'm extreme to pick a particular arong size because overweight,

1242
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: blubberry looking male dog or female dog one just can't move. Okay,

1243
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: they just simply can't move. They they have to be.

1244
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: They have to locate, and so many bear hunters don't

1245
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: think that this is true. But they have to locate

1246
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: a squirrel in the top of a tree in a blizzard,

1247
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: and I have videos to prove that that's what they

1248
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: do about four months old. Okay, they have to be long,

1249
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: stayput tree dogs. I want my dogs to be. I

1250
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: want them to bay a bear or a hog almost

1251
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: all day long, but I don't really want them to

1252
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: ever actually make contact. It's okay if they do, but

1253
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't want my dogs killed. I don't over their shutters.

1254
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: Their hunters and some some people listening to this podcast

1255
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: tomorrow whenever it is, Will say, yeah, he know he

1256
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: wants his dogs to turn. No, I want my dogs

1257
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: to live through the day, and I really don't care

1258
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: what happens. I want him to live. A dead dog

1259
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: never cyrus babies, and a dead dog never treats you

1260
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: one more piece of game. So there's people that get

1261
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: so are so proud about their dogs being so gritty

1262
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: but kind of productive. It's it's kind of productive, just

1263
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, you know you you say, my dog can

1264
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: jump higher off a cliff, and any dog you've ever seen,

1265
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: well that dog only did it once. Colton, what is uh?

1266
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: So you've been around these dogs? Now you've got you've

1267
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: got some of your own dogs. Yes, I have one

1268
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: dog right now named Butch. But is he the is

1269
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: he the the Semen dogs? He came from the original Butch. Okay,

1270
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: so back in the nineties, Butch was around. When was

1271
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: Butch around? He's been dead ten years, he's been dead twelve.

1272
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: Here we go again. So y'all okay, So, so the

1273
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: pup you've got, now, what do y'all call him? Okay, well,

1274
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: he was he's a couple of years old now, and yes,

1275
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: and then but he came from backup. Colton originally liked

1276
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: the great, big, big houndy dogs. Okay, you know, he

1277
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: bally and okay, and I said, Colton, they're not gonna

1278
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: work for you. He said, well, Dad, how do you

1279
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: pick out a dog? And I said, you just look

1280
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: at him and look at him, and pretty soon you

1281
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: see something. You say, Okay, this is my dog. So

1282
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: he comes to the house. Nellie had nine puppies and uh,

1283
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: and out of Reno and and so he comes to

1284
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: the house one day. You get to the rest of story. Yeah,

1285
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: he came in the house one day, and uh, I

1286
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: think we were kind of getting shorter on dogs. We

1287
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: had a few, you know, we we always we always

1288
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: had a good a few good dogs around and we

1289
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: had a real promising letter. I think there is nine nine, yeah,

1290
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: nine or ten. I think there there had only been

1291
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: one puff. I think they had died at a young age.

1292
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: And he, uh said it's time to pick your dog.

1293
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: And I had. I claimed Reno. Reno has been why

1294
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: he was my first real dog. We know I'm talking

1295
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: at Buster. Yeah, yeah, I know, but I had I'm

1296
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: back up, Okay, tell stories from you, okay, sure, And

1297
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: oh Man and h we uh so I started at

1298
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 1: a young age. But the dog that I really grew

1299
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,919
Speaker 1: up knowing was Reno. Reno. You know, I remember Reno.

1300
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: He's probably one of the main stud dogs you've used

1301
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: for the last Yeah he's still lost, he's still alive,

1302
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: and he's in New Mexico weeks and Steve just pulled

1303
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: back Colton's shirt and you got a tattoo Reno. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1304
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: he uh he was his letter. I remember growing up.

1305
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: There was a Reno's litter was it was a super litter.

1306
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: You here Dad talking a lot about the dog named Scar.

1307
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: Scar was a dog that was a bit when she

1308
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: was a little baby by a brown brown spider and

1309
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: had a really bad on her hip. And she'll a

1310
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: lot of people that hunt with us to this day

1311
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: will tell you that she's actually she's the best coon

1312
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: dog that you were around. She was extremely good dog.

1313
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: And Mark Martin de French brand, Yeah. And then my

1314
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: Ruger dog that got killed by the bear, and Joe

1315
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: Hudson's Calie female and Crook who I got back and

1316
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: sent out to the Mexico, And and there was another

1317
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: dog named Hound. Every single dog in the littera. Joe

1318
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: Hudson called me the day and said he thinks this

1319
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: might be one of the greatest litters ever made. So

1320
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: Mark DeFraine, who's a very repidable veteran bear hunter, and

1321
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: he says he'll go to his grave saying that brand

1322
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: is the best. And she still loves Brenn is still alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1323
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: so and now tell me you picked out Reno. No, no,

1324
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: I didn't pick out Reno. So, you know, Dad was

1325
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: talking about one of the old litters that was a

1326
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: super litter. That was the first super litter that I've

1327
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: got to experience growing up. Yeah, got it. We always

1328
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: had a you know, Dad had a couple of dogs

1329
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: named Sugar and uh what was the other one? Start.

1330
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: They were kind of the first female to remember. But

1331
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: Reno was really the first you know, big, you know dog,

1332
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: that dog that Dad decided to keep. He wasn't it

1333
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: wasn't really kind of what he was looking for at

1334
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: the time. You know. He Reno was a little bit

1335
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: heavy caliber, more of a heavy caliber dog. Um. But

1336
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 1: he came out one day and said, He's like, there's

1337
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: some gorgeous pups out there in the trailer. He's like,

1338
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: why don't you go pick you a pup. He's like,

1339
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't. He wasn't originally we weren't originally gonna get

1340
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: a male dog. Dad prefers the female. So we were

1341
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: looking through there. He's like, I I have I think

1342
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: I have me a female picked out. And he's like,

1343
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: there's one pup that I see something I want to

1344
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: see if I want to see if you see the

1345
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: pup that I see. So he went out there with

1346
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: me and we I got gott in the horse trailer

1347
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: and kind of got down there looking at some puffs

1348
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: and I was I was, you know, going through and

1349
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: there was like a test. They were just less than

1350
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: two weeks old. Yeah, they were a little bit. This

1351
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: is like I think they had just barely. Okay, So

1352
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: he says, son, see if you see what I said?

1353
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: And I wanted to know you have to be able

1354
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: to yeah, you know, he he doesn't want me going

1355
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: out there and picking know the light brintle and the

1356
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: heaviest mail out the river. River Nukele was listening to

1357
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: this podcast River you gotta pick up on some of

1358
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: this because and and but okay, now what he's saying

1359
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: though real quick, he's saying that he got to watch

1360
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: Reno grow up and he remembers what Reno did it

1361
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: about it, and you nemember how Reno looked. Yeah, And

1362
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: so there was just me and me and dad. We

1363
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: kind of we kind of know how to how to

1364
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: pick around the same you know, when it goes to bulls,

1365
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, we we can kind of pick the similar

1366
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: bulls and the horses. And uh, So I went out

1367
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: there and I picked up a couple of pups. There

1368
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: was you know, there was two light brintle males in

1369
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: that and so I kind of looked at them. I'm like, well,

1370
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, that's not really what I think he's looking at.

1371
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: So I kind of shoved them to the side and

1372
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: went through the females and stuff. Uh. There was another

1373
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: dog that ended up going to Travis Taves. His name

1374
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: was Rage. He looked a lot like my buster pup,

1375
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: and I picked him up. I really liked him. I'm like, well,

1376
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: I was like na uh. And then the last it

1377
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: was the last one I picked up, and he was

1378
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: just a gorgeous pup. I mean he had the right

1379
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: amount of black and the amount of you know this

1380
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: and that. And I picked him up and there was

1381
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: just a look about him, just almost a confidence look.

1382
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was crazy. And I picked

1383
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: it up and I said, I'm not sure what you're thinking, dad,

1384
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking this puff right here is gonna be

1385
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: special and dads like that. And it was. And it

1386
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: was a buster he and Buster was one of the

1387
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: best barrier buggers I've hunted for a long long time.

1388
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: It's just he got killed by Hall and Buster is

1389
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: Ferns Daddy. I know that. I know that. And by

1390
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: the way, he should have started a lot more pup.

1391
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: He died early. Heed. Hey, when I was out in uh,

1392
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: when I was in Idaho, I won't say any names here,

1393
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: but when I was in Okdaho Mountain lion hunting with

1394
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: the plot man that doesn't necessarily have any of the

1395
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: Bluff Creek strain, he told me that he was very

1396
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: impressed with Buster because I you know, and I probably

1397
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: brought it up. Yeah, yeah, and uh, but he he said,

1398
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: I was impressed with that dog. And for somebody that

1399
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: doesn't have any connections to breathe it to a line

1400
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 1: of hounds to say something really good. But if if

1401
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: you if you had a bunch of dogs run into

1402
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: those woods heavily wooded across where we're sitting here, and

1403
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: and they suddenly shut up and they can't a bear

1404
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: Sometimes a bear just disappears, and a cat will disappear

1405
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: in a combl disappear. Well, then somebody yells, bring Buster.

1406
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: So you get Buster out of pick up, you drop

1407
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: him in there. Give him ten seconds, Just give him

1408
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: ten seconds, and all of a sudden he's opening and

1409
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 1: moving any moving, And I'm not I'm not talking about trade,

1410
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about screaming. And it happened so often.

1411
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: What Buster would have been born, like in two thousand

1412
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: ten or something, I mean it was I would have

1413
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: said maybe probably later than that. Well he died when

1414
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: he's five years old, and because he was alive, he

1415
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: died like the first year that I had ferns. Ferns

1416
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: four years old anyway. Yeah, but so you picked out

1417
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: this peple. Yeah yeah, And I wasn't I wasn't really

1418
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: into I was always into hunting, and I was always

1419
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: in the dogs. But Buster was the one that kind

1420
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 1: of that really made me excited, you know, going to

1421
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: going to Wisconsin. In fact, he was my actual first

1422
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: my first dog I actually got to hunt with of

1423
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: our own. You know, we always had our own. That's

1424
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: my puffle. Let's see what he Let's see what what

1425
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: he can do. So we when you hauled, when you

1426
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: took Buster with you, you could you could go hunting

1427
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: any state in the United States. And and when you

1428
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: dropped out with anybody anywhere, you knew that you had

1429
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: as good a dog as goes, it was gonna be

1430
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: turned loose that day. Okay. And now like the jackpot

1431
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: dug up there right now, you when when you you

1432
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,919
Speaker 1: can hauld him anywhere and turn him loose with anybody,

1433
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: and you know what, you're not ever going to be

1434
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: just not gonna be embarrassed because he's just that good.

1435
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: He just and and you know sometimes you have to

1436
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: keep sharpen your pencil. Wel We've got the old pencil

1437
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: pretty sharp right now, because that's that's what that's what

1438
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: that's what we're trying to do, okay. And and once again,

1439
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: all we're doing is trying to just duplicate what those

1440
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: portal hunters, you know, them starving old houndsman did back

1441
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: in the mountains when they were trying to catch a

1442
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: game with their home, with their whether it was hogs

1443
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: or bearer where I didn't realize how much bearer they

1444
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: ate back there, but they ate a lot of bearer

1445
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: met Yeah, they do. Hey, we're gonna we're gonna do

1446
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: another podcast. I'm not sure how it's gonna work out here.

1447
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: But so in not necessarily inclosing, but sort of inclosing.

1448
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 1: If we're so, we've established, you know, the Bluff Creek

1449
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: line and plots and your history. Are there any iconic

1450
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: stories that or or just what what would you say?

1451
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: You you know all that you've said, and I'm kind

1452
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: of just turning this all over to you if you

1453
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,759
Speaker 1: were gonna give some closing remarks about just your history

1454
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: with the Bluff Creek dogs, your dad, the hunting that

1455
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: you guys have done, um or or even just what

1456
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: these dogs mean. Do you Steve the main here? The

1457
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 1: one here's just again, any any hunter and and really

1458
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: in any profession, Uh, you should be thrilled to death

1459
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: that you're getting work with Withoutdoor Life, I mean you

1460
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: of your magazine, I mean both you guys are you know,

1461
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: you're kind of competitors, but you're actually both on the

1462
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: same side. So when your houndsmen are very prideful people

1463
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: and that the plot people were very prideful people, and

1464
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: Isaiah kid was a private person, and Golda Ferguson wasn't

1465
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: all those people in Everet Williams was extremely private. Well,

1466
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 1: when you go to the woods, you don't want to

1467
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: have to make up a thousand excuses about why your

1468
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: dog didn't do what they were supposed to do. You

1469
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: want to simply sit there and have people patch you

1470
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: on back. Say, my god, I have never seen anything

1471
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: like that. Okay. Something my dad was always worried about

1472
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 1: was that younger generations would not be able to enjoy

1473
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: the same caliber dogs that he started with. Okay, and

1474
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: then I I took over in seventy one, and I

1475
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: was afraid that people would not. Also, younger people, you know,

1476
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 1: some in this room right here, including sitting across the

1477
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 1: table from me. I was afraid that they wouldn't that

1478
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: they would hear the plot hound was either growley or

1479
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 1: slow or big or dumb or silent mouth or whatever.

1480
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: So I wanted to hang on. I wanted, if if

1481
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: nothing else, produced one more letter to let people know

1482
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: that they're still out there, and and if you do,

1483
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: if you do your homework and do things right, that

1484
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: there there will be for several more generations. Okay, So

1485
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: that's that's my legacy is I want to be able

1486
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: to pass on to younger, younger generations. And I think,

1487
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: you know it might be on the way right now.

1488
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: I want I want a lot of people to get

1489
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: to enjoy that. I mean, do you know how long

1490
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: you might have looked had you gotta not gout fern?

1491
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean think about I mean, how many miles would

1492
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,560
Speaker 1: you have driven? Dad did it for a purpose to

1493
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: produce the dogs, but also to make sure that they

1494
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: were still out there, Okay, because you know, because because

1495
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: once okay, had ever Wheams not have made that cross

1496
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: of drive to Susy, we wouldn't be sitting here at

1497
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 1: this table right now. Okay. Had Dad not made his

1498
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: cross of our chief to trouble, we wouldn't be sitting

1499
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: here at this table. And I actually believe that the plothound.

1500
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: I actually believe that the plothound would not have still

1501
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 1: existed in the forum we know it had it not

1502
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: been for a few special people and a few special,

1503
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: very special dogs. Okay, And I mean, nobody wants to

1504
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: promote just more dogs. You know, you don't you don't

1505
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: want that you want some really elite dogs. And like

1506
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: Joe Hudson says, if you ain't seen it, you ain't

1507
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: gonna believe it, Okay, I mean you just if if

1508
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, then you're not gonna believe it,

1509
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: that that a puppy could start that young. You know,

1510
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: at the ban Joe dog was a freak of nature.

1511
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: He started so young, and and he made even my dogs,

1512
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: he made my dogs look bad. He was he just

1513
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: did things. I don't remember whether we ever even tied

1514
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: him up once again. He just voiced demands. And and

1515
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,839
Speaker 1: he's one who got killed by a bobcat at fourteen

1516
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: months old. But by then I'd already bred him to

1517
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,759
Speaker 1: Cindy because I got medicine people. And he produced Reno

1518
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: and Bran and see what I'm saying, one cross, one

1519
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: cross only and that, and he had a hundred percent

1520
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: outstanding pups out of one litter. But he was he

1521
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: was a freaking nature and he was exactly what I

1522
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: was looking for. So every time, and by the way,

1523
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:02,879
Speaker 1: Buster looked exactly camp. They were dark brand Banjo Banjo.

1524
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: When he was a little pup, I had a road runner,

1525
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, one of the road runner birds he'd come

1526
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: up to the house and you know, beg for stuff,

1527
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: dog food and stuff, and Banjoe hated him, so he

1528
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: would It became a game, so he would chase he

1529
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: would chase that road runner. Well, as time progressed, Banjoe

1530
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: got a little faster and that bird got a little slower.

1531
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: And this went on for ninety days, okay, and the

1532
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: ninetieth day, probably about the nineties day could have been

1533
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: a hundred and five. All of a sudden, here comes

1534
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: Banjo and he walks up there and he lays that

1535
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: road runner in front of me, and he had killed

1536
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: And you know what, I swear, I swear he was sad.

1537
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: I mean, the game is over. But he he the

1538
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: road runner would get to the tree and then and

1539
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: then look over his shoulder before he jumped. Well, he

1540
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't have looked over his shoulder. You know. That's how

1541
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: Babo and lost the Olympics that year. Okay, are we

1542
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: done there? Gotta I gotta tell you the story later

1543
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: about one of our pubs for a different one. Culton

1544
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: closing closing thoughts on, um, how old are you called?

1545
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm so you've been around these dogs your whole life

1546
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: and you've you've hunted. Obviously, you live in you live

1547
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: in Kansas, so they're not running big game in Kansas,

1548
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: but you travel up to Wisconsin and Michigan and Uh, anyway,

1549
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: what what do these dogs mean to you? I mean,

1550
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: what's it like having a family such a rich family

1551
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: history with It's awesome. Uh, It's it's kind of cool

1552
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: having you know, in our family, having that claim to fame,

1553
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, with my brother and my dad and you

1554
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: know in our in our grandfather, having that in our family.

1555
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Yeah, it's definitely been fun. Uh. You know,

1556
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't have video games and stuff as

1557
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: a kid. I mean, that's what you grew up doing.

1558
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,799
Speaker 1: You grew up going outside and playing with the dogs

1559
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: and run and running, running alongside the creek and you know,

1560
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: going coon hunting and falling off logs and into the

1561
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: creek and you're Brandon, hold are you okay? So that

1562
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: many years apart and still both of them are doing

1563
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: the same thing. He hunted with Gunnered, Colton hunter with Buster,

1564
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, it's it's been it's

1565
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: been an awesome Okay. So we're across the creek. We've

1566
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: got Banjo, uh Tater and and Ruston and me, and

1567
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: we're across the creek and for some reason, you decided

1568
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: you needed to bring a twenty two magnum rifle out

1569
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: of my pickup over to the creek. And you decided

1570
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: you'd walk across that log and it's winter, it is

1571
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: cold dead. Did we thought twice about it? And so

1572
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:33,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we hear this flash and I

1573
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: didn't what it was. And then all of a sudden,

1574
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: this kid climbs up out of the creek and he's

1575
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 1: got that twenty two magnum and he's got water above

1576
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: his waist and it is it's it's fifteen degrees. It's

1577
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: just he said, I thought you said you needed this

1578
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 1: this rifle. I said, no, I didn't say that. So

1579
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: I just brought it in here just in case. And

1580
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: so we get over to the pickup at we shoot

1581
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: to go now with my pistol. And we got over

1582
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: to the pickup and he said, I think I got

1583
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: water my boots. And we took his boots off and

1584
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: there was more than a court and a half of

1585
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 1: water in each boot, each one of his boots, and

1586
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: he just wanted all the way. Yeah, if it had

1587
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: been slashing, it probably frozen. Needless to say, I don't

1588
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: have very good balance. So but it's it's, it's, it's

1589
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 1: it's introduced just to a lot of a lot of

1590
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: people and even brands back in Brandon's day. It took

1591
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: us to a lot of miles, to a lot of

1592
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: places we would never been, you know, And we're we're

1593
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: going to Bearcampa in Michigan this year and we you know,

1594
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: we're planning on having some fun up there, and co

1595
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: butcher Dog is up there. We might have old Reno

1596
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: back with us by then, and uh, and you know,

1597
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: take him along because the truth is he uh, he

1598
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: still sneaks away from a lot of good, fast dogs.

1599
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, well, in closing, I'll say that I

1600
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't probably never, because I didn't intentionally get back into hounds.

1601
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: It was kind of by accident. I always say that

1602
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: to people because I didn't expect to get And I'm

1603
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: not saying that Ferns the best coon dog and the

1604
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: plant I'm not for me for me, she was for

1605
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: me and my family. She was I mean, and uh

1606
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 1: and she she still is. And but it just it

1607
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: was just so fun to hunt weather and tree game

1608
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: and see the things that she did and uh and

1609
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: uh it really changed the trajectory. And now I've got

1610
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 1: I got another pup from a dog from you, Jed,

1611
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: who's uh who's a character and a half, super smart

1612
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: and Jed and first the scar of the female that

1613
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:37,560
Speaker 1: he was talking about earlier. But here's here's the I

1614
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: guess the conclusion, talking about how it has has brought

1615
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: you in to so many different people in relationships and stuff.

1616
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 1: We have taken more on this podcast. We talked, uh

1617
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: Steve a lot about you know, the trajectory of hunting

1618
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: and recruiting new hunters and different things. Of all the

1619
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: big game hunting that I've done, I have taken exponentially

1620
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 1: more new hunters out coon hunting than anything else. I

1621
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: bet we've taken I mean we we've been we've been

1622
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: talking about this. I don't know how many River did

1623
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: you just punch him? River River nucom and her friends.

1624
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: Uh River just punched her little brother. Uh we Uh,

1625
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: I bet we've taken a hundred people. But see never

1626
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: but that's that's what it's all about. That see that,

1627
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not all it's not all about killing

1628
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: game guys, it's it's about it's about but when you

1629
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 1: have a when you have a good dog, it's fun

1630
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,600
Speaker 1: to take. But once again, she's not getting embarrassed. You

1631
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. I mean, most of the times

1632
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: she doesn't. And so that's what it's all about. You.

1633
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to be embarrassed. So you you breed, and

1634
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: and and as you're making your your calling decisions and

1635
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: you're in your picking stuff, you say, Okay, which one

1636
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: of these dogs is definitely best? Because I don't want

1637
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: to be embarrassed, you know. And when I when I

1638
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 1: get so I can't do it, I will, I will

1639
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: shut down immediately, you know, I'll call him, but he say, okay, guys,

1640
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: I'm done, and I'm gonna turn it over to somebody else.

1641
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: And Colton wants to take over. You can and and uh,

1642
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: you know go from there. So well, hey, thanks for

1643
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: thanks for meeting me over here. Guys up Steve Brandon,

1644
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: It really my pleasure to get to talk with you. Guys.

1645
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: We could talk for hours. I know this guy right here,

1646
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: we can talk for hours. And uh, and we'll do

1647
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 1: this again sometime when we're together. Um, we will. We

1648
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: are going to have. Uh we're gonna release another podcast,

1649
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: hopefully about breeding, which we're gonna anyway that won't make

1650
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 1: sense in the timing of this, but hey, thanks for

1651
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: meeting with me and Uh, as we always say on

1652
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: this podcast when we closed, Steve, keep the wild places

1653
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,560
Speaker 1: wild because that's where the bears live. Yeah. Okay, I

1654
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: like that. I'd like to do very good, so very good.

1655
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: Thanks guys,