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Speaker 3: another episode Against the Chronicles podcast. Is your boy Big

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Speaker 3: Steel along with yeh, you know it's been a couple

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Speaker 3: of dope albums that came out. The Dog Pound just

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Speaker 3: put the album out. Man, We all we got and

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Speaker 3: I heard you playing that that premo track back to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I fuck you know, I haven't really listened to

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Speaker 3: Shoot? Shit, I don't been listening to some stuff. Man,

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Speaker 3: Actually I listened to that whole album man, and Brother

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Speaker 3: Lynch don't never disappoint you. You always know what you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Brother Lynch is one of those who has I

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Speaker 4: guess I guess you could say stick to the cold,

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Uh yeah, and that's when you get

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Speaker 4: To under to other people, you know, he's con that

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Speaker 3: You gotta have your theme together. Well, you know we

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Speaker 1: I'm from Yeah, from West LA. What's our locals? West

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, man, it seemed like his story

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Speaker 3: Did they They jumped off? They jumped off when you

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Speaker 4: I was friends with like two of the Essay home

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Speaker 4: But I wasn't. I was a fucking kid. So nigga,

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Speaker 4: That's what we worried about at school. We had to

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So I I never really you know, And then after

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Speaker 4: There are those situations where, like Spank said, it went down,

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Speaker 4: like you said, it was that ship that comes from.

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Speaker 3: The jail house and ship you know, all the way down.

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Speaker 1: It's like the youngsters had like big you know brothers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I know this man, most of my homeboys

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But then when the gang shit come in,

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Speaker 4: Shit, it's like being in shit, like being in prison, Nigga,

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Speaker 4: I was cool with homie on the street and ship

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Speaker 1: It's program time systemic. You know, it goes back to

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Speaker 1: the same thing systemic. They want us to be like that,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, for sure, to be like that. It's

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Speaker 3: Sure because at the end of the day, we all

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Speaker 3: fighting for the same ship, life, liberty, and the pursuit

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Speaker 1: I got the same indifferences on me. So yeah, you

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Speaker 3: So you had brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 1: No, So I couldn't like have a relationship with my siblings.

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Speaker 3: And so I want to go to music real quick.

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Speaker 3: When did you When did the rap bug catch you?

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Speaker 3: Kind of?

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Speaker 1: I was in prison. I remember being in prison and

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Speaker 1: to like South Central Cartel, mc A, you know, Dog Pounds, Snoop,

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Speaker 1: you know, all the West Coast classics, you know. I

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Speaker 1: forty two short eight Cocaine.

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Speaker 1: Cocaine was an early influence when I was younger. And uh,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like like like what made you want to rap?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, what made you want to

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Speaker 1: So I think those are like the the like the

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Speaker 1: the homies were like, check this out. This is uh

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Speaker 4: And so you didn't feel that strong about Chicano rapp

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Speaker 1: No, I wasn't. I was like, uh, that's not our genre,

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Speaker 3: It's clear powerful, get me.

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Speaker 1: But you can hear Phil Collins all this hot music,

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Speaker 4: My nigga said, you can hear Phil. You could hear

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Speaker 4: last motherfucking number on AM and you get, like I said, nigga,

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Speaker 4: especially on a Saturday night, that motherfuckering ship is staticy

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Speaker 4: as hell. You might you might hear some blend of

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Speaker 3: What it was, it's hip hop was so new at

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Speaker 1: Though, yeah, you know, by all means that was my

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Speaker 4: What we can you know, just regular hip hop, not

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Speaker 3: We didn't call we didn't call our ship black rap.

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Speaker 3: You get me. We was just we was just rap.

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Speaker 4: You're getting you know how they got Chicano rap and

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Speaker 4: you know we were just rap music.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, well I think that's how it should be.

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Speaker 3: And I don't have no problem because I got a

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Speaker 3: And I asked them sometimes like do y'all really like

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Speaker 1: It's the same. You know your like talking nas. Do

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Speaker 1: really it's I think on me say the bass like rappers, rap,

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Speaker 1: you might as label everything.

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Speaker 4: Like when I when I, like I said, when I

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Speaker 3: That was just a rap song to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought it was a dope ass record.

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Speaker 1: and because it was labeled that way, like I kind

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00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: of like I say, if you labeled me a Chicano rapper,

437
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind because Chicano the Chicano game. Hella good

438
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: to me, you know what I'm saying, Like I ain't

439
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: got no shame in in that, you know, Like I've

440
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: been able to travel the world. I'm doing that, like

441
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 1: connect with Sally homies. You don't work with legends, and

442
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: I never in a million years, you know, being that

443
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: youngster growing up in that area and you know like

444
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: absorbing and emulating that. To be working with the legends,

445
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: that's that's huge to me. That was everything, you know.

446
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 3: Because you don't put out a gang approaches how many

447
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: albums you got up like maybe.

448
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: Now a couple of albums, just a couple of albums.

449
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: But I have a lot of a lot of a

450
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: lot of uh uh singles, and I have a lot

451
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: of compilations and populations, and I have a lot of

452
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: collapse and things. I've been. I've been. I've been, you know,

453
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: crafty when it comes to you know, if I don't

454
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: have an album, like I want to have an album,

455
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have something an nep or I have something.

456
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: So I try to be consistent. This last year, I've

457
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: been doing our profit work, so I haven't been motivated

458
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: to be in the studio up until like a few

459
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: months ago, and once I started getting back in the studio,

460
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: it has been no stop.

461
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 3: I've been.

462
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: It's like I needed that year off to do to

463
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: do that community work and.

464
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: Stuff, Yes, and I noticed that's real important to you.

465
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, I never It's like I always wanted

466
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: to do it, and I always war I was always worried,

467
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: like like the homies are gonna clown on me, right,

468
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: the homies are gonna, you know, they're gonna say something

469
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: about me, or they're gonna, you know, like put me

470
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: down for it. And it was always like, let me

471
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: not even bring it up helping my community because it's

472
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: like and what it was so ridiculous the thing and

473
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: one way we're destroying the community. But then it's like

474
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find some reparations in there. Somehow it

475
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: just didn't make sense. Some of the homies, I already

476
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: knew that where their heart was, like that now the topic,

477
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna try to touch, you know what

478
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean. But you know, like in my core, I've

479
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: always wanted to, you know, do things. So you know,

480
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: a little by little, gradually I start doing homeless feeds

481
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: or I do like for Christmas for long for a

482
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: few years, I was getting out blankets and a couple

483
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: of things with my kids and things. And then now

484
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: because I've been in Washington for the last two and

485
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: a half years. Three years out there I've been, you

486
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: could see there's less brown people and so like the

487
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: treatment like towards brown people, it's more like like visibly disrespectful,

488
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: like you could see where people's intentions in their heart

489
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: is and inclusion and culture and all of that is

490
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: not it's not in some people's harder mind. But like

491
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: in this day and nature, you gotta have identity and

492
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: you got to connect with something in order to build

493
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: as a community. You feel me like you can't take

494
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: away people's identity and then expect them to be comfortable

495
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 1: in an area that they're not familiar with or have

496
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: no connection to or not proud of. Then you want

497
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: to be like someone else, and that's not healthy.

498
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: You feel me, yeah, Because right now it seemed like

499
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: in America it's a lot of stuff going on, like

500
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: people are talking about more restrictions on the border start,

501
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: you know, tightening up on the border security. And I

502
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: think the first people they always look at a point

503
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: to think d the Mexican people and say, well, it's them,

504
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: when it's not just Mexican people. You got U saw

505
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: where they had some Saudi Arabian people coming through and

506
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 3: people from all over the place. And I think at

507
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: the end of the day, is just people that want

508
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: to make a better life for themselves.

509
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: Man, Right, it's just easier, like to point the finger

510
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: at Mexicans, like, it's just way easier because we've been

511
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: we've been here like a long time homely like this

512
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: is you know, people be like, oh, this used to

513
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: be Mexico and this and that. So it goes to

514
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: show you, like for a long time there's been a

515
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: lot of connection here with Latinos with Mexicans, you know.

516
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: And I think because we're so deep rooted, it's like

517
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: we correlate with the economy being not great for us,

518
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: and so when the economy is not great for us,

519
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: then you got to resort to other things, you feel,

520
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: me like like anywhere else like and crime is a

521
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: major part of it. When you have kids to feed

522
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: and you ain't got no options and you're segregated, you're

523
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: putting a vaudio or you're putt in a ghetto, or

524
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: you're putting a place where you're like you have to

525
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: be confined to those restrictions of not making money, having

526
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: cheap things, having alcohol and liquor and cigarettes accessible in

527
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: drugs and this lifestyle that's only destroying us and we're

528
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: not being lifted. There's no like generational wealth. There's no

529
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: like reparation funds for for none of us. Tell me

530
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, like you gotta be smart enough

531
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: to say, like, I gotta think about property, think about investing,

532
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: think about generational wealth for my kids, because there's nothing

533
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: here for you. The system may made like that. The

534
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: system may made like that, So you gotta think outside

535
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 1: the box, you feel me, And I think that's where music,

536
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: rap or graffite that twin comes in, because we're using

537
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 1: what we got. We're using what we got to get it,

538
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, to get it to get out there, to

539
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: take our kids out there.

540
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: And it was frowned upon for so long.

541
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 4: And ship because you see now a lot of ship

542
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: that we crafted and was artistically ours.

543
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: It's acceptable to them today multi million dollar business, right, But.

544
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: When we were pushing this agenda to begin with, they

545
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 4: made it so fucking hard for us to get me

546
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 4: whatever it may have been a fucking idea. You had

547
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: a fucking record, a rap song, you know, uh, being

548
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 4: on TV. You know what I'm saying, acting and rolls

549
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 4: and just every kind of thing Uh, it seems like

550
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 4: when we tried to push the agenda to let a

551
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 4: motherfucker know what artistic value we had, it was always,

552
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 4: you know, shunned, like it was that ship. Yeah, or

553
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: let's ban that, or let's shut it down, or if

554
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: we can't steal it, or if we can't motherfucking make

555
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 4: bread off of it because we don't understand it, then

556
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 4: it's basically wrong. And then you look in this credit,

557
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 4: you look up, like you said, with rap music, with

558
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 4: all our shit, you look up fifty years later, and motherfucker,

559
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 4: everybody rapping.

560
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: You get me.

561
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: Everybody got rap shit on their commercials and it's accepted now,

562
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: and you got so many shows and nigga now now

563
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 4: you could, you could, you can make a TV show

564
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: about niggas who was in the street, drug dealing and

565
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 4: shit and killing niggas and shit like that.

566
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: You hit me, It's like it's accepted and shit right now, yeah,

567
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: because it's making money. And then another thing too, I

568
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: think we need to look at too. I know every

569
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: parent used to push kids going to school, going to

570
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: college and all that. You know what, I think the

571
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: best thing that they need to bring back is trade schools.

572
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: Man homies learning how to if you a plumber, if

573
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: you a dude to like to get on and fix

574
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: cars and stuff that from them. I think we need

575
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: more of that right now because everybody is not gonna

576
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: get the opportunity to go to college colleagues ain't for everybody,

577
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: I don't think.

578
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: Right right, there's if you dig around, you gotta I

579
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: think tap into your local resources, tap into your local resources,

580
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: your local governments, and find out who's got those programs accessible.

581
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: There's there's a few nonprofits out there that you know,

582
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: you'll be surprised if you look up trades and you

583
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: know there's there's support out there. I know of one

584
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: location in South Central called TV Jobs and they I

585
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: think they work with uh uh with re entry, So

586
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: if you've been incarcerated, they help you out.

587
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: I think that's big.

588
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: They got resources for construction for quite a few different things.

589
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's big because you've got a

590
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: lot of homies that come out of e xail and

591
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: you already got the stigma of being incart rated to

592
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: being a former failing, you know, and Abfinitely, what's the

593
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: quickest way to drive a man back to crime? Him

594
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: trying to feed his family right, trying stay clean. It's

595
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: hard man.

596
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: That makes you know, it's like it's all set up

597
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: like that, only they know what. They're giving you the

598
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: run around, Like you need an ID. How are you

599
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: gonna get an IDA? Get on the bus? You need

600
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: a bus pass? You need how you gonna get up

601
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, on the on the bus with the ID

602
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: to get the ID. If you need to go to

603
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: the Social Security office to get your card and then

604
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: you gotta go to the DMV, and it's just a

605
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: rat race. To me, they got you. They got you

606
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: in circles, you feel me, instead of accommodating you and saying, okay,

607
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: we know when you're getting now, this is what you're

608
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: gonna need. Apply now apply here. We have here department

609
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: in an office where you could talk to the counselors.

610
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: She's gonna sign you up to get your license again,

611
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: or sign you up to get your identity or at.

612
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: Least an ID. Huh.

613
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 4: That would be a little more sufficient than releasing a

614
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: motherfucking going okay, now go out there and go do

615
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 4: every like you go. I mean, it's all through the state,

616
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 4: right and all through whatever. So why now if a

617
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 4: motherfucker getting ready to get released. You have them fill

618
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 4: out an application and being go, we got you. You

619
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 4: got a thousand pictures, right because you didn'e took really

620
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: took motherfucking photos. So that's it seemed like that would

621
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: be an easy program to enlist. You're getting ready to

622
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: get released. Fucking here, y'all.

623
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: Remember a whole bunch of the homies back in the

624
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: day when everybody was grades away in high school and

625
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 3: figuring out what they was gonna do. You had the

626
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: homies who was going to college to play ball. You

627
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 3: had the homies that might have been you know, might

628
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: not have had the grades, but they were still trying

629
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: to figure it out through jac or something like that.

630
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: Then you had the homies whose mama was like, if

631
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: you ain't go gett no job or go to school,

632
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: you gotta go to the army. Yeah, So it was

633
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: a bunch of homies getting shipped off of the military

634
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: and stuff. They didn't want to go, but they didn't

635
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: have no other choice because they couldn't stay at home.

636
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 4: That was my that was probably gonna be my choice

637
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 4: because I didn't know I didn't know any niggas who

638
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 4: was going off to college, not even just on sports scholarships.

639
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: You get me.

640
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 4: I ain't no no niggas like that. All I knew

641
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 4: was gang banging, dope, selling niggas like So.

642
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: If Red wound up the military, probably there's programs, Probably

643
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: because you try to.

644
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: Man like even like scholar their schlor programs to get

645
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: enrolled into the into the universities. I've I've worked with

646
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: a few gentlemen that that that have departments at like

647
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: universities and they work, but were re entriated. A lot

648
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: of homies ain't built for that, you know, a lot

649
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: of homies are like, I don't know if I want

650
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 1: to be a creative writer.

651
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 4: I think I had I think I was fortunate and

652
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 4: I was fortunate that.

653
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: I learned.

654
00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 4: Some values from just watching Moms. And even though her

655
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 4: and Pops got divorced, and you know, because he was

656
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: doing this thing and whatever whatever, he still went to

657
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 4: work every day. It wasn't like I saw people sleeping

658
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 4: on the floors and cracked out and just laid up.

659
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 4: You know, you wake up in the morning and go

660
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: through the living room. Moms got you know, ten niggas

661
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 4: in there, and you know, niggas A I never saw

662
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 4: that you had influences at had good influences, but I

663
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 4: wasn't the motherfucking thirst for what I saw in the

664
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 4: streets made me want to And I asked a homie

665
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: of this kind of question, like do you think you

666
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 4: dumbed yourself down when you started gang banging? Because I

667
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: asked him this. You lived in a great, middle class neighborhood.

668
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 4: You didn't grow I mean every house was a two

669
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 4: three story house where you grew up. And even though

670
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: it was you know hood niggas over there, but your

671
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: parents went to work every day. Moms had a great job,

672
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: pops had a great job. You weren't dumb and uneducated.

673
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 4: Why'd you start gang banging and selling dope?

674
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: Ain't that great? What could he say?

675
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 4: He said, I dumbed myself down? To be long, You

676
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 4: get me, because niggas looked at gang banging and joining

677
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 4: the neighborhood as they looked at it as a bad choice.

678
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 4: Back then, people frowned upon you joining a gang, and

679
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 4: not a lot of them understood that. A lot of

680
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 4: these niggas then graduate from high school, you get me.

681
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: A lot of them had broken homes, you get me.

682
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: So the entitlement of protection belonging together. That's what you know,

683
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 4: the protection of our spot. But while did the nigga

684
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: who was going to school getting straight a's every day,

685
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 4: parents were had good jobs, why did you cross the

686
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: street and come over here and start gang banging?

687
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: You know what, that's crazy because it's a lot of

688
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 3: people like that, like like Bank for example, you said

689
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: that your parents was too hard working people. Yeah, two

690
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: hardworking people on the outside. You know, you would be

691
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: wondering like, oh man, this kid come from a good background.

692
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: Ain't no way he could wind up game banging. But

693
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 3: it still catches. It's almost like it's a trap.

694
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: Many because like at the house, it was they weren't

695
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: having it like they weren't.

696
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 3: They weren't.

697
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: They were like keeping an eye on us, you know.

698
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: But I think I think it was like I think

699
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: it was like also like well, who are you gonna

700
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: be like with the square kids? Like you're gonna be

701
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: by yourself?

702
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: It was frogled the part.

703
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: You're like, well, let me join the other homies because

704
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: they're not doing that great in class either. They're not

705
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: getting straight a's like the other kids. And the other

706
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: kids you could tell like the teacher treats them different,

707
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: only like it's treating them completely different, you know what

708
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: I mean.

709
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: So something the girls like the homeboys too.

710
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: Some people have that, you know, like motivation because they're

711
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: being motivated by maybe not at their house, maybe a

712
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: teacher or a superintendent. Someone's reaching out and oh, hey,

713
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: you know what, don't do that. Hey, you know what,

714
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: anytime I had any supporter, I mean, I could have

715
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: ended up in a worse situation I had my mom

716
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: my dad not been proactive. I don't think they were

717
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: ever like forget it, throw this guy in the trash,

718
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: which they should have plenty of times, you know, like

719
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, like let's cut ties with this, but it

720
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: was never like that. It was like, let's support and

721
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: let's be there. Therefore, let's go to correl. It's you know,

722
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: and I think that's what saved me too, is so

723
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: they never gave na. And I feel like when you

724
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: got a strong, strong family values, so that that's helpful

725
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: and kind of turning turning that around. You know, like

726
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: you got poor kids, you got kids who are broken homes.

727
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: You don't have to have a mom with a syringing

728
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: off her arm, and you know, like it could be anyone.

729
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: But it's it's at the end of the day, it's

730
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: brown people. For the most part, it's brown people white

731
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: because we're not giving resources, we're not treated the same

732
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: as everyone else, We're not giving the opportunities like everyone knows.

733
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: You know that even when you go to the hospital, Oni, like,

734
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: brown people are dying at a faster rate giving birth

735
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: than anybody else. You know what I'm saying, Like a

736
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: black mother, a brown mother, they're gonna die at a

737
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: higher rate than some white lady. You feel me, And

738
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: that's happening right now.

739
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: Y's real talk, that's real, that's a real thing.

740
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: Come on, no me and that What that tells you

741
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: is that because you know, we're intimidated by the system,

742
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: you go in you're like, oh, it's a hospital, they

743
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: fucking know their thing. No, you gotta go in there

744
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: and be like what is that, what are you administering?

745
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: Or what is that for? Or what pill is that?

746
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: Or what's in that syringer? You gotta advocate because you're

747
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: gonna do whatever they want with you knowing with your

748
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: loved ones. And that's not it's not a professional environment

749
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: when you got people that think they know what they're

750
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: doing and they think they're above you, and they think

751
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: they're better than you, and they think they're of a

752
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 1: higher class you. I mean, that's how it's broken down

753
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: in classes. You know, it's class, that class, you know,

754
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: lower class. You feel me, and when you are you know,

755
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: when you gotta stick more, when you look a certain

756
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: way of you're not gonna get Let's not help this guy,

757
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: Let's help them, or let's yeah, we'll help you in

758
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: a little bit. We'll get we'll get there.

759
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: You feel me, yeah, because we are in a society man,

760
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: that which where you're e judged largacy based on how

761
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: you look.

762
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: All of that.

763
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: Because you know, whenever I walk in somewhere, depending on

764
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: how I'm dressed, you know, people looking at me the

765
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: whole time, especially when I was a younger cat, you

766
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: know what I mean, they looking at me the whole time,

767
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: like yeah, or people when you riding, Bob, you be

768
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: in your car right and you will see an old

769
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: white lady next to you. She hit the lock on

770
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: the door, like you go get out your car to

771
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 3: come and get her, ask or something. You know, I

772
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: know you were a tattoo artist, not right, sir? When

773
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: did you how long ago did you start getting tattooed,

774
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: because your whole body is inked up.

775
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: Man. So like, I think one of my escapes was drawing,

776
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 1: so because I like stuff didn't stick and I felt

777
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: like I wasn't able to learn like everybody else. It

778
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: wasn't sticky, and I'd sit there and I draw, and

779
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: I draw and I drawn. That was my That was

780
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: my escape, you know, when things weren't all that great.

781
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: I used that as a tool to to put myself

782
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: somewhere else. And so I drew for a lot of years.

783
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: I wasn't the greatest, but I was really persistent. So

784
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: I sketch and drawing and copy comic books for a

785
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: long time. So I was into comic books at a

786
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: young age. Collected comic books, drew them, rea drew them.

787
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: And then as I started getting into the tagging and

788
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: and like doing graffiti, then then that kind of developed

789
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: into another medium, tattooing, because then I stopped tagging because

790
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: the homies, you know, we're like Lisa a long, you

791
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: gotta be from the hood now, like we're not. You

792
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: gotta put that down. You gotta be from the hood.

793
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: And since my other homies were doing I was like, yeah,

794
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: what can I'll do it too, And so tattooing became

795
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: another form of self expression for me, and I did

796
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: that for a long time at a young age, too young,

797
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: really young, uh fifteen, sixteen, seventeen in high school, we

798
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: were already messing around with you know, little black India

799
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: and a string on a needle, and I remember this

800
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: girl from eighteen brought that to school and then I

801
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. I was amazed. I was like, I'm

802
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: doing that. And then I bought a little machine from

803
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: this fool from Venice, this fool some tattoo orters from Venice,

804
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: more like not a tattoo artist, but more like a

805
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: street prison art. And these guys are there were taboo

806
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, like they were they weren't that it wasn't

807
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: that popular, but you knew of them by word of

808
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: mouth because you know, like they're like before the Internet,

809
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: just like just like wrap, like everyone had a you know,

810
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: a popular CD, a MC A c D. Didn't have

811
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: the Internet. You didn't have the Internet, but that shit

812
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: bumped everywhere Oakland, LA. Content didn't matter. Everyone had that.

813
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: So the same way tattoos, you'd be like, oh, that's

814
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: wet from so and so and you know where the

815
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: mouth made things really extremely popular. At that time, there

816
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: was no Internet, no none of that, So I do that.

817
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: I tattooed homies for a long time, tattooed all kind of.

818
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: When you got your first face tattoo. Was your mom's

819
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: tripping cause you said she was conservative? Was she kind

820
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: of tripping a little bit?

821
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: By then, I was already like in the street, like

822
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: I didn't really have nobody, like, there was no oversight,

823
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, it was all guts, no breaks. So I'd

824
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: come home one day, you know, and I have a

825
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: new tattoo. I probably hadn't seen them in a few months,

826
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: and so it wasn't even relevant at that point. They

827
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: were like, whoa, where you been at? You know, you

828
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: look a little different, you know, like, you know, but

829
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: we're happy here, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't

830
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: even relevant. No more like the lifestyle was more. Yeah

831
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: at that time.

832
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 4: At that point in time, it's just like stay safe

833
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 4: and and and and love you and and and hope

834
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 4: to see you again, you know, because pretty much when

835
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 4: it's when it's when it's no hope, it's no hope.

836
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 4: And you know, so instead of being mad and being angry.

837
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's more of a you know, well,

838
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: we might as well not, you know, like not like

839
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 4: throwing in the towel, so to speak, but like throwing

840
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: in the towel.

841
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

842
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: So when did you Because it seemed like, man, you

843
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: went to a lot of really dope things. Right now,

844
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: when did you decide I got to make a change? Man?

845
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: Was it after you got shot? No?

846
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: I wish it was now after I got shut. I

847
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: didn't nothing change too much. But what did change at

848
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: that point was I wasn't mobile, so I couldn't go

849
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: do much. So I sat there and I wrote music.

850
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: I started writing and writing and writing in another medium

851
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: that I touched, like you know, poems and things, you know,

852
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: through through through music and of course simulating all the

853
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: great ones and being inspired by the homies and all

854
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: these sounds. And I just wanted to do something that

855
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: was like that. Maybe you couldn't label the chican or rap.

856
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: Maybe you didn't know if it was a homie or not.

857
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: It was so hard that it didn't even matter. And

858
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: that's the response that I would get sometimes it'd be

859
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: like you know it's not what you do is not

860
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: like the other homies. I get that a lot at

861
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: the time. At the time because a lot of it

862
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: was like very monotone. You hear some oldies in it,

863
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: like an oldie and a homie rapping over oldie or

864
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: something like that. In ours was like straight West Coast

865
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: hip hop, West Coast.

866
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: And you definitely got your own ship man, And I

867
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 3: know a lot of a lot of the cats man,

868
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: especially in Chicano Brothers, they like rapping over the oldies

869
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: and everything. Your ship got a lot.

870
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Of funk in it, a lot of fun.

871
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: It's a lot of funk in And you got your

872
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 3: own style. I will say, you got your own steeler.

873
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: It's real smooth and laid back. Your shit is dope.

874
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate it, appreciate it. I've had a

875
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: lot of fun with it, you know, I've had a

876
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: lot of fun with it right now, Uh, I tell you.

877
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: Took that little break and then I've been I've been

878
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: in the lab again. So I've been I've been excited

879
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: about putting out all kind of material. I just released

880
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: the record with an uphing coming from from Oceanside, California.

881
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: But I feel like he embodies like he embodies our style,

882
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: and he embodies the nineties look and the nineties field.

883
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: The Homie Bishop Snow. So if you guys get a

884
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: chance to check out the Homie Bishop. We got our

885
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: single that we put together and the homies, the Homies, uh,

886
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: the New the New West.

887
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: You know it's the Bishop Snow. What's that records y'all got?

888
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: Man? Now, Locals don't cry.

889
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: Locals don't cry. That sh it is hard that you

890
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 3: heard that ship ship they play. That's hard as that's

891
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: what really when I saw you was back because I

892
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: remember you from back in the day, right, you know,

893
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: doing your thing. I still we ain't gonna talk about it,

894
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: but and then I saw that locals don't cross it.

895
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: This shit hard as a motherfucking.

896
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: A little more to provoking, you know, like, of course

897
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: locals cray. You feel me, You know, of course locals cray.

898
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 3: You probably cry a whole lot, like we got.

899
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: Too much to cry about. You feel me, too much pain,

900
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: too many, too many things afflicting on soul. You know,

901
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: it's just I think a little comic twist on things

902
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: that are naturally like you. They're unavoidable. You you gotta

903
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: let out that bad energy, that bad energy, and it's

904
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: okay to christ sometimes you feel me like that's what

905
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: it is, you know, let it out.

906
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 4: So it's every So do every Mexican artists consider themselves

907
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: the Chicano rapper?

908
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: No, I think this genre is so like fast now

909
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: that I don't think none of the little always considered

910
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: themself Chicano rappers ever. Ever, guys say like, don't even

911
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: label me, don't laveel me that you know so, but

912
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: there's probably only that are you know that are that

913
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: are in that lane like heavily like because what I

914
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: would I think identify as the Chicano rappers like like

915
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: l a uh you know gang bang music, you know

916
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: artists you know, like a Capponi uh, you know Payaso

917
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with the dudes, Payaso, mister Shadow, like

918
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: the music, you know, gangster music, you know, So that

919
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: was I think that genre. That's to me, that's what

920
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: I think it is. Now You've got like different guys

921
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: with different style. I was in different it's a different

922
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: era and I don't know if they would consider them

923
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: so chi. I don't even know they're chick homies. I

924
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: think their their their influences is a little bigger and

925
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: stronger than just Yeah, I don't seen them.

926
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: I don't see the homies pack out stadiums though, man,

927
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 3: I don't see the Mexican homies pack out stadiums and

928
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: ship though though especially. I was an ox SNAr back

929
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: in the day, go do a show man, But then

930
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 3: I noticed we was like kind of clicked up because

931
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: we'd be out there. Man, they would be cat like

932
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: a pony, right, a couple of other cats, but it'll

933
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: be packed, man, and the whole audience is Mexican. Man.

934
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: Mexicans are the biggest supporters of hip hop on the

935
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 3: West Coast or differently on West Coast. And I tell

936
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: everybody you can't sleep on that.

937
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: Though.

938
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: That's undeniable. Now, you know, they ain't to say that

939
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: the brothers and sisters don't support the shit, because of

940
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: course they do, right. But if you ain't gonna sell

941
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: no units on the West Coast, if you ain't if

942
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: the because they're buying your ship, you you go be short. Yeah,

943
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: you go be short.

944
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because it's just like again, we have deep roots here.

945
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: It's like we're we don't have no ties to Mexico.

946
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: We don't understand it. We don't understand it.

947
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 3: You feel me.

948
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: So it's like this is our culture, American culture, ween

949
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: hamburgers and chili fries and Tommies and you know what

950
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like that type of deal. We're yeah at home.

951
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: You know, you speak Spanish, you know, you know all

952
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: the you know, all the dishes and things and your

953
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: influence and all of that. But really you're I think

954
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: motivated and raised by where your environment gives you, you know,

955
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: and hip hop and West Coast hip hop was something

956
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: that was prevalent for me, and I think a lot

957
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: of my peers. You ask them, I may not been

958
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: no concerts at the House of Blues, and you look

959
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: like and it's all homies. We like straight nothing but

960
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: waters Gang Anger's homies. I went to a DJ Quick

961
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: house a blues concert. I think we went twice. Someone

962
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: invited me once and then another homie invited me and

963
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: I'll go again, and the same all homies that you

964
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: looked in the be like, man, I need to be

965
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: careful because it looked really active in there. But it

966
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: told you what what the strongest supportive market was. And

967
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: if you go to I know these concerts or Lebo.

968
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: You know who's playing the Delphonix, who's playing you know,

969
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: you know all the all the legends, right and who's there?

970
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: You look and it's a sea of Mexican Chicano people.

971
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: You feel me so time. Definitely, the the market is

972
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: that for me. I never been in persion to say, Man,

973
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm a Swami rapper or Chicago. I don't. I don't care,

974
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: right man, man, I'm gonna tell you that you feel me.

975
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: Back in the nineties, in the early two thousands, the

976
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: Swapped Me rappers had all the bread. The Homie six

977
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: Jacking because I fucked with sick jacking.

978
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: You.

979
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: I ain't talking to Homie in a minute, but six

980
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: Jacket would come around making his rounds and have a

981
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 3: not in this pocket, this damn big nothing but twenties

982
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 3: and fifties, just dropping the ship off, dropping that consignment

983
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 3: signment off. Swap Me Rappers had the bread.

984
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: Then was the rich homies And at that point I

985
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: don't even think con salmon was an option. Like at

986
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: that point the stores they needed that though. Yeah, yeah,

987
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: they yeah, might have been the first, the first round

988
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: of CDs, you know, the first.

989
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they they made it back the shout out to

990
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 3: the homie wand he had the conference swapped me Yeah, big.

991
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: Ones instrumental and influencing Southern California with fashion and music.

992
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean I supplied him a gang of CDs for

993
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: a long time, and I'm sure sure he had everybody's

994
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: stuff there, you know, the g coding and at the Dilamo.

995
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, all all of those places, Man, the Alamo, Swap Meet,

996
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 3: the conference, swap meat Man, them places Man probably generated

997
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of dollars man and just straight gangst

998
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 3: the rep Oh yeah, hell yeah.

999
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 4: SWAPM specifically significant with wrap sales, especially for.

1000
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 3: West Coast artists.

1001
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know how swap meets or flea

1002
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 4: markets you know, represented across the nation. But I know

1003
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 4: as far as the West Coast is concerned, their motherfuckers

1004
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 4: was staples Man.

1005
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: Because go to New York and find them when when

1006
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: does you know in the hey deal of the CD

1007
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, like there was stores you know here, I'd

1008
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: go to the Oakland Swami, to the Fresno Swami, all

1009
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: the way east to to to Brooklyn. That'd be you know,

1010
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: flat with Shyny. They had some spots out.

1011
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 4: There just be outside with the I come from the

1012
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 4: cassette days. So you know, you go to Swap Meet Nigga.

1013
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 4: They had every motherfucking cassette nigga from from from I

1014
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 4: don't I don't give a fuck who it was. They

1015
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 4: had everything, every motherfucking thing. You might catch some twelve inches.

1016
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 4: You go to the Paramount swap meat. You get you

1017
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 4: some twelve inches and ship. That's why I bought my

1018
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 4: first Treacherous three record from a paramount Swap.

1019
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 3: Meet, Paramount swapped me outdoor.

1020
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, my music, some of the homies.

1021
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, so you went through that whole

1022
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 3: So so you went through that whole era too, where

1023
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 3: you was out there hustling your CDs and tapes.

1024
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, see these were big for us. See these were big.

1025
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: I remember like I'd press up a box, you know,

1026
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: one hundred bucks, and like the idea was you run

1027
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: into a homiet and then you start trading them like

1028
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 1: a you know, this is my new one, and since

1029
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: he knew my ship was selling, he'll take like twenty

1030
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: and then we'll trade, right, we'll trade. So then I

1031
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: had like he had twenty my new ones. And then

1032
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: if you if you needed some other catalog, you grabbed

1033
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: like another ten, so now you had thirty. So then

1034
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: I get thirty from him. And then I go to

1035
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: the next home meeting, I get thirty from him, meet

1036
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: up with this rapper thirty from it. So now I

1037
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: had a variety. So when I go take that trip

1038
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: to Oakland, or I take a trip to you know,

1039
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: Colorado or whatever, or even right here Compton or Lynwood

1040
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: to a local CD spot, I mean they were like, okay, wow, yeah,

1041
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take five of your new ones.

1042
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 3: So you want to got some other people's dope and

1043
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: say yeah.

1044
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: But then I also take that shadow, and I also

1045
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: want Piassa, and I also want mister d And also

1046
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: I mean it.

1047
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 4: Was a way to flip yeah, because because you know,

1048
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 4: like you said, if I got a hundred of my

1049
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 4: own ship, a nigga might say, well give me twenty,

1050
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 4: and I'm good. If I got ten of this nigga,

1051
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 4: I got five of this nigga, and they gonna be like, well,

1052
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 4: whole ship.

1053
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: I don't got none of that. I was on it.

1054
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: It was a whole You just brought up a name, man,

1055
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 3: that that's my people. Man. Shout out to the homie

1056
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 3: mister D. Good game, mister D. Mister D put some

1057
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: money in my pocket when one time when I needed

1058
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 3: it off off some CDs. Yep, I ain't saying to

1059
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: say that we was younger back then. Man, he was

1060
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 3: like steal and I needed the money at the time too.

1061
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 3: It was like God, they hit the homie up. Used

1062
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 3: to call me and was like, man, come up and

1063
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: mister D like cash me off like two hundred CDs.

1064
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: Man, that's hard. I learned from from him. I'm gonna

1065
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: be real, like I remember, like seeing him in Nextion.

1066
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: I was like learning. You know, I learned quick though,

1067
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: because I was on it. You know, I do nine

1068
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: cells and then I do that whole sealing with the

1069
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: homies and and you know direct shell, you know, and

1070
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: then of course you know you're that with times. You know,

1071
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: then streaming became relevant and now you gotta be you know,

1072
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: you gotta be like water.

1073
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 3: They sure fuck they fucked up the money.

1074
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: Ate goa.

1075
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: I bought my I bought my house messing with them

1076
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: with d CDs like this, Like here you talking about

1077
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: That's how I bought my house, man, That's how I

1078
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 3: made my living, send kids to college and every all

1079
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: other kind of shit.

1080
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: Look at you now, you're doing podcasting.

1081
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you know, yeah, it's crazy.

1082
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: Man.

1083
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 3: God's good. God, it's good man. You know God is good.

1084
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 3: Stay with a hustle, man.

1085
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: You gotta stay on there. You gotta be like water.

1086
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you gotta be like water.

1087
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: Man.

1088
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 3: I want to ask you something, man, because I know

1089
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: it's a lot of politics when it comes to Mexican

1090
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: rapid stuff. So I can't speak on certain stuff. It's

1091
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 3: just certain stuff. It ain't my business I can't speak on.

1092
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 3: But I noticed that. I noticed that. Man, it's a

1093
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 3: lot less beef months Chicano rappers now the way it

1094
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 3: used to be kind of crazy. Yeah, I think is

1095
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 3: everybody kind of getting along now. I'm like, man, we

1096
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 3: gotta tighten this shit up.

1097
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: There's a you know, there's I think the genre is

1098
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: just so vast on me. I think there's always gonna

1099
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: be It's a big part of the music. You know,

1100
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: Beef is a big part of hip hop.

1101
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 3: You know, no, for sure, there's no.

1102
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: There's no hip hop if there's no beef. You know,

1103
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: the whole pitome of hip hop is beef. Brag wrap

1104
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: you the best you the hardest is always gonna be that,

1105
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, so you're always gonna have that element and

1106
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: you're always gonna be tempted, especially when you're in and

1107
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: then with that bravado and you're young and you're like, man,

1108
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't care whose feelings are hurt, you know, like

1109
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you know, like you ain't

1110
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: all that, I'm I'm the one. Like that's your job

1111
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: as a as a musician.

1112
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 3: You know, I think, oh yeah, you gotta for sure flicks.

1113
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: It's part of it. I think, like how responsible you

1114
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: are though, and how how how you use that talent

1115
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: and that power and the platform that's really up to

1116
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: each artist soul. There are homies beefing. There's you could

1117
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: see homies taking shot shots at each other. You know,

1118
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: there's guys pulling paperwork out on each other.

1119
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: That's the new thing now.

1120
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: You know, like you know, smuting fools up is you know, like.

1121
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 3: It's not a it's not your typical.

1122
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 4: Like you said, Braggadocia's battle rapping shit is crazy. Now,

1123
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 4: beefing today has taken the aspect of like you're saying,

1124
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 4: I'm wanting I'm wanting to prove more.

1125
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: Than just.

1126
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 4: I'm a great rapper when it comes to beefing. I

1127
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 4: want to prove that you are a snake. I want

1128
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 4: to prove that you a snitch. I want to prove

1129
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 4: that you're you know you, you like the same sex,

1130
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 4: you know. I want to prove that you know you

1131
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 4: you you stole money or told and sent somebody that.

1132
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 4: That's what beefing is now.

1133
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Don't really turn into a personal.

1134
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 4: Like you said, a personal smut match or you know,

1135
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 4: disgra discrimination suit.

1136
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 3: It's what it's turned into. And that's dangerous though, man,

1137
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 3: because you know the whole thing is man. Because you

1138
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 3: see a nigga for beefing now, like this nigga said

1139
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 3: listening to that, you call a man the snacks and

1140
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 3: you ain't got no proper paperwork to support that. You

1141
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 3: can lose your life. It's like, that's not this that

1142
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 3: used to be real serious.

1143
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: Look exactly, Kendrick and Drake, he's calling them a pedophile.

1144
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: Is that what I'm hearing? He's calling them a pedophile

1145
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: on the song. That's a that's a big like I'm

1146
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: surprised at though, mean, like I don't I'm not a

1147
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: huge fan, Like I love a lot of his works.

1148
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: You hear a lot of his works. It's mainstream, you know,

1149
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: but like that's bold on mean, Like what you're doing

1150
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: is you're just smutting up that guy. You feel me

1151
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: like those are strong fucking words.

1152
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 4: Like that's why I say, uh kind of weird of me.

1153
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 4: You feel me like beefing has gone to really the

1154
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 4: exposure of who you.

1155
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: Are.

1156
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 4: And even if it ain't really proof of exposure, it's

1157
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 4: I really want to just tell people my opinion of

1158
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 4: how I think you are. Right as far as any

1159
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 4: kind of beef record today, it's not like he said

1160
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 4: in the beginning. It was just you know, nigga, I'm bad,

1161
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 4: You ain't bad. I got the I'm the hardest rhymes

1162
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 4: and nigga, you know, and my rhymes are like this,

1163
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 4: and my rhymes are that. It's gone beyond that.

1164
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 3: Now you can tell a man he is snitch, can pitophile'

1165
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 3: tell a dude here. You could just say anything to somebody.

1166
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: Man.

1167
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 4: You can say that. You can say a motherfucking you

1168
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 4: can say a kid is not you know what I'm saying.

1169
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 4: Your kid is buying another nigga. Your girl fucked another

1170
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 4: nigga and had a kid. I mean, you know, we

1171
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 4: have gotten to the the the e pited me of

1172
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 4: what fucking disrespect it is.

1173
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: Do you think it's going too far now?

1174
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they shut up, they shut up his house.

1175
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: They shut up Drake's house like it goes to show

1176
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: you it insights, it insights, he treated insights. There's too

1177
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: much like if you know, like you're leaving too much

1178
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: for for for speculation. Yeah, oh yeah, well my kid

1179
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: got ridy. Let me go smoke this guy. You know

1180
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1181
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 3: You don't know because fans. I'm gonna tell you, man,

1182
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 3: I don't have I don't have fans in the street

1183
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 3: come and talk to me about ship that's going on

1184
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 3: with podcasts, and like I'll be really looking at them

1185
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 3: like they like is. They'll walk up to me like

1186
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 3: they wanted to do something and say something, but then

1187
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 3: they see how big I am, Like, oh well, I

1188
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 3: ain't know that food was that big where I get

1189
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 3: up out the curl on the ass, you know, and

1190
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: it's like, man, people really take this shit serious. They

1191
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 3: listen to everything. People say, Man, this is crazy. It's

1192
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 3: it's real crazy people on the planet. You get me.

1193
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 3: You could just see that just by watching TV or

1194
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 3: just watching shit. You get me.

1195
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 4: Watch a lot of these shows. Man, They're just people

1196
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 4: who are crazy. So you have to be careful because,

1197
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 4: like you said, you don't know how far somebody will

1198
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 4: take somebody else's insinuation of of who you are.

1199
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:43,959
Speaker 3: Shit.

1200
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 4: Motherfuckers is sick a nigga, you know what I'm saying.

1201
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 4: Niggas are popping. You got fans who pop stars and

1202
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 4: celebrities and try to do shit all day.

1203
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: Behind another motherfucker.

1204
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 4: You get me, So shit, you have to be care

1205
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 4: like I said, and especially an our line of work

1206
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 4: as far as hip hop is concerned, and fucking podcasting

1207
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 4: or whatever.

1208
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,919
Speaker 3: Scant a nigga shit, Yeah, because I see this shit.

1209
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 3: I was looking at some shit earlier today. They got

1210
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 3: motherfuckers on their fighting. I said, man, like, what is

1211
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 3: going on? Motherfuckers losing their mind? And you know it

1212
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 3: used to just be more serious back then because bait.

1213
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 3: Back in the nineties, you just couldn't say what you

1214
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 3: want to about a motherfucker dog without having no smoke

1215
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 3: behind it.

1216
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 4: A lot of our shit came from, especially with a

1217
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 4: lot of street affiliation.

1218
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 3: You get me.

1219
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 4: Uh, you have to be careful because not only does

1220
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 4: it involve you, but then it involves the niggas around you.

1221
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 4: If a nigga's involved, you know, if a nigga consider

1222
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 4: himself your homie or friend or whatever, your beef is

1223
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 4: his beef.

1224
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 3: You get me. So you know what I wanted to

1225
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 3: ask you about, because you was around back then, what

1226
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 3: did you think about Pops Pit Locals? Did you think

1227
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 3: that was a good thing? Kool aid? Remember they had

1228
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 3: that thing on the radio, and.

1229
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: That was that was instrumental, you know, like it really

1230
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: exposed artists to a new market that's like mainstream you

1231
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: feel me. So even if we had Sundays that was okay,

1232
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: like you know one day out of the week. I

1233
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: don't mind that.

1234
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that shit was cracking because it got syndicated.

1235
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 3: It was another markets too, and I thought I thought

1236
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 3: that was big as here when she did when they're

1237
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 3: and her husband pulled that off.

1238
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: I got featured on there once they asked they they

1239
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: played one of my records and again another like another

1240
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: high moment for me, like because it got me, it

1241
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: got me more attention, and it got me gigs and things,

1242
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: and you know, the recognition was was phenomenon. I mean,

1243
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: I was sitting there. I remember sitting there a few

1244
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: years back listening to vocals locals and like saying, man,

1245
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: like this is this is the like this is the

1246
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: the new wave? You feel me like more genres tapping

1247
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: into you know, a beautiful art form, which is important.

1248
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 3: I think you know, who would you say the biggest

1249
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 3: Mexican rapper for all time is?

1250
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that's a big one. That's a

1251
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I take my head to to to

1252
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: Kid Frost. You know, I think Kid Frost is like

1253
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: the epitome of Chicano gangster rap. I think he's like

1254
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: a legend. You feel me. He paved the ways. You know,

1255
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: he's you know, like kicked it off mainstream for for

1256
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: guys like us. So for me, I think a plan

1257
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm selling artists like Kid Frost is a legend. We're

1258
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: talking the other day and I was giving them his

1259
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: flowers and the same. You know, you don't want to

1260
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: wait till the man is gone to let him know

1261
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 1: how you feel. You know.

1262
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 3: Likes is definitely a definitely And people.

1263
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: Got their in differences. You know, everyone has their opinion

1264
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: all this that are in their experience. Oh he didn't

1265
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: sign my head or whatever the case. Like people have

1266
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: their opinion, you know, and my mind is my opinion

1267
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: is like respect your elders, respect the forefathers, because I

1268
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: think that's why she is so watered done and so

1269
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: like lacking you know, la uh morals and core values

1270
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: and respect the architects like water down, you know, like

1271
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: you figured like that. They have statues for the homies

1272
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: like m C eight and and you know, like the greats, you.

1273
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 3: Know, like because you know, bringing me some kid Frost Frost,

1274
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 3: you know what's so dope man? You know his sign

1275
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 3: as a producer, Scoop the veil, Scoop and Field. I

1276
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 3: helped Scoop early on, early on this thing. Shout out

1277
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 3: to the little homie. You But he's a little bad

1278
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 3: motherfucker dog, a little large. Be real in him as

1279
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 3: large though, be real yeah they large, Oh yeah, be

1280
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: real in them. Yeah they be realing them. Took that

1281
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 3: ship to hold on the level.

1282
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: A lot of homies, you know, a lot of baby

1283
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 1: bashed little rob and you know, and see magic. There's

1284
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: a lot of them, a lot of great pioneers.

1285
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 4: That are if you want to go to you know

1286
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 4: that that status of of of as far as hip

1287
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 4: hop is concerned, I would, I would put be real

1288
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 4: in them up there, right, even though like you said,

1289
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 4: it's a different motherfucking you know, it's it's a different then,

1290
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 4: like you said, when you think of Cyprus and then

1291
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 4: you turn around and you think of somebody like you know,

1292
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 4: Spanky or motherfucking Little Rob or or you know one

1293
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 4: of the you know, somebody that, like I said, not that,

1294
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong.

1295
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 3: You know, be real in them.

1296
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 4: Blood Homies and the south Gate and all. But you know, uh,

1297
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 4: I don't know. I look at them as is I

1298
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 4: look at them as on a like I said, a

1299
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 4: different scale. Yeah, as as as one of the you know,

1300
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 4: one of the homies who you look at is like

1301
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 4: still in the trenches with it so to speak.

1302
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 3: You get me. Yeah, I know a gang of the

1303
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 3: homies sold records. How many records you think you're on sold?

1304
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 3: From the physical things? Do you even remember? Because I

1305
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 3: swear with homies they probably on sold three four hundred

1306
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 3: thousand records. Man, there's making money, man, far as pushing

1307
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 3: this year.

1308
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because then you had distributors that were pressing your

1309
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: ship on the site without telling you. There was units

1310
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 1: that you kind of count for that.

1311
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 3: Du from Thumb was good for that from Thump Billy's as.

1312
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: Side.

1313
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 3: He had them ball too. He'll probably made him next

1314
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: a couple of two three million dollars on the sud No.

1315
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 1: Think about that one, like how many units aren't accounting

1316
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: for you? Like the same.

1317
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 4: So he wasn't shipping them out the back door to

1318
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 4: Japan and nowhere.

1319
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 3: What that motherfucker Bill was going to meet up with

1320
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 3: motherfuckers with boxes And there was.

1321
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: People saying music everywhere. You know, it was a big thing.

1322
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna tell you when I knew it was big.

1323
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 3: I was out of France, admit him. And I saw

1324
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 3: Mary Bromfield, the homie Murray Bromfield out there. I said,

1325
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 3: you out here slinging them cee these, ain't you?

1326
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: He was like, yep, amazing. Murray used to pull up

1327
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,839
Speaker 1: in a green and a green Benz right that green bends,

1328
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's been like a really nice bends full

1329
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: of CDs.

1330
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw some historical shit, man, because I had

1331
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 3: a record store back then, and I saw like the

1332
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 3: beginning of chacunt of rap man when he came with

1333
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 3: the just the first homies with eighteen with a bullet

1334
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 3: what was the what was the name of that Spanish fly?

1335
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 3: And I sold a bunch of these brown Prize see

1336
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 3: Brown Pride take. Oh, that's what paid the bills. Dog

1337
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 3: I sold man, probably like about eight nine thousand of

1338
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 3: them browns. Like I had boxes of that ship homie.

1339
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 3: Them kids from paying my high school, from Norwalk High

1340
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 3: School was just coming to pick that stuff up. And

1341
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 3: Murray used to come back by and drop some shit

1342
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 3: off man, And I remember he had the first little

1343
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 3: rob tape come.

1344
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,879
Speaker 1: On Crazy Life for something, Crazy Life.

1345
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, mister Shadow and all them. I sold a lot

1346
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 3: of the homie shit. Man.

1347
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: They saw you nit to me, and so I think

1348
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: we did. We did our thing, you know, the same

1349
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: with like streaming and ship like you don't know, it's

1350
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: like so many you know, now things are you know,

1351
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: kind of in order, but there was a time also

1352
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: like you know, getting wrapped up with these bogus deals

1353
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: and bogus distributors just like you see like your music

1354
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: being uploaded here and like that, like someone's making fire,

1355
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: you know.

1356
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 3: So it's a lot of it's a lot of people, man,

1357
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 3: a lot of guys man that really because it's not

1358
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 3: like y'all had. And you've talked about the shady deals.

1359
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 3: If you didn't have your own label, you were signing

1360
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 3: to somebody else was independent label, and they usually didn't

1361
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 3: know what they was doing. You know a lot of

1362
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 3: times they just know a check coming in. They just

1363
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 3: you know, it's a lot of it was a lot

1364
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 3: of bread made, man from the distributors. Man, it was home.

1365
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 3: He's getting checked for like ninety one hundred thousand dollars

1366
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 3: from distributors.

1367
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 4: Man, I mean it's easy to push some units and shit, yeah,

1368
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,560
Speaker 4: I mean back then, I mean during those times of

1369
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 4: like you said, CD pushing and all that.

1370
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: Rap was wide open. Man, it was nigga all you had.

1371
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 4: Oh you got an artist, Oh he rapping, Oh, nigga

1372
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 4: giving me a couple of boxes.

1373
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 3: That's when I knew it was money and you ain't

1374
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 3: have to be famous because I remember I would be

1375
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 3: up at grounds. I was showing glasses one day, man,

1376
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 3: I was showing him my statements from overseas, from over

1377
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 3: I had distribution set up out there. Man. I was

1378
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 3: getting like man anywhere from seventy five to eighty five

1379
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 3: thousand dollars just a month. And it was just and

1380
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 3: I wasn't off the whole bunch of ship, but it

1381
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 3: was just like, you know, eight of this, five for this,

1382
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 3: not the whole bunch of shit, three of this, and

1383
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 3: it was just brid coming in. Man's real I'm missing

1384
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 3: days like a motherfucker dog.

1385
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: I know I see those days too. You know I've

1386
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: seen those days.

1387
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,799
Speaker 3: So it was that, man, So you got a tattoo,

1388
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 3: Probably not right. The tattoos, I've had a few.

1389
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 1: I've had a few in LA and then in Seattle,

1390
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: and currently right now I don't have no location. It's

1391
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: just been difficult for me to to oversight. It's been

1392
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 1: tough and with traveling, I just feel like doing conventions

1393
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: has been my big thing right now. So I do

1394
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: a lot of conventions. I take six seven artists with me,

1395
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: hold down a big spot and tattoo for the weekend.

1396
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: And I've hed, i mean all over the States in

1397
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. I've done some pretty narly conventions. Philadelphia, Houston, Atlanta, Chicago,

1398
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you name it. I've been there in New York.

1399
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: I've done some even overseas, Brazil, Japan, and a few

1400
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: other places. So the definitely the tattoo game has been

1401
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: a blessing. So and it's it's stuff like I, you know,

1402
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: like I I didn't apprentice under nobody, but I learned

1403
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: in the streets, you know, and I feel like that

1404
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: was my apprenticeship. Like there was no no one giving classes,

1405
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: no one even it used to be if like you

1406
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: open up a shop anywhere near another shot, they come

1407
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 1: and break your windows or like you think on fire,

1408
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: you know. And the culture was just really different, you know,

1409
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: it's really taboo. There was no tattoo superstars. It wasn't

1410
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: even like that. It was like tattoos were kind of

1411
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: low key and you know, kind of rogue. And yeah,

1412
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't what it is now now it's like tattoo superstars, megastars,

1413
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, influencers, tattours and things, so gop list. The

1414
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: transition from music, the transition from tattooing in the street

1415
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: to music to tattooing and doing music has been amazing.

1416
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: Like like when I started doing the music, I stopped tattooing,

1417
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: and I always want to kick myself in the head

1418
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: because that was a few years of focusing on hyper

1419
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: focusing on music and I left the craft alone. And

1420
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:16,959
Speaker 1: when I did get reintroduced into tattooing.

1421
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 3: It like took off, you know, yeah, because tattooing is mainstream.

1422
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,959
Speaker 3: If you look at every college football program, a basketball

1423
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 3: program in the country, these kids got on whole sleeves

1424
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 3: blasting Yeah. And it's not like it's before. I used

1425
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 3: to get looked down on the fire came home with

1426
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 3: a bunch of tattoos on my mama with my ass man.

1427
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was taboo only like gang members

1428
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: and prostitutes will get tattooed, exactly, bikers.

1429
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 3: And now you see the homies. Man, they got you

1430
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 3: go to.

1431
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: The airport in Barcelona, like you've seen big twenty foot

1432
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 1: advertisement with soccer players all blasted up, and I go,

1433
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: thank you. You know what I'm saying, it's good for business.

1434
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:57,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1435
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 3: It was now man, what man? I I was gonna

1436
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 3: try to avoid asking you, how the hell did you

1437
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 3: and six ' nine get into it? Man?

1438
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: You know that on me. We actually communicated on good terms.

1439
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: We had we had like good communication, but then like

1440
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 1: once like a lot of the negative stuff start coming

1441
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: up all my Like I asked him, me, homi, like

1442
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: this is kind of weird, you know, And and at

1443
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: the time we were trying to do music, trying to

1444
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: organize him being out here with the homies and not going,

1445
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: you know what, the homies ain't gonna like this shit,

1446
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: Like there's no way, you know, there was some allegations

1447
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: of some stuff and you ain't no one's gonna fuck

1448
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: with you like that here, And he's like, well, I'm

1449
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: I be in LA anyway, like basically saying I don't

1450
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: care what, like fuck you whatever, you know, like I

1451
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: ain't tripping on you, and that kind of was like

1452
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: I was like, it didn't really sit well at the time,

1453
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: but at the time I was like the same, Like

1454
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't I wasn't conscious or cautious about what energy

1455
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 1: I was putting out. It was like me getting disrespected

1456
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: and feeling disrespected and then me wanting to disrespect him back,

1457
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, the same rap beef stuff, you know. And

1458
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: I think, looking back, I could have made wiser choices

1459
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 1: and better decisions and and you know, being a better,

1460
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: a better homie. But but you know, it just happened

1461
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: to turn out like that, And I got a gang

1462
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: of free publicity, like forty thou dollars fifty sixty thousand

1463
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: dollars in free publicity and I have fun with it.

1464
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 3: And that was that was it, That was for sure

1465
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 3: because the homies, damn suit wouldn't have had him around.

1466
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 3: That had been all bad.

1467
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, dude was questionable.

1468
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 3: Getting the whole neighborhoods took down.

1469
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: And at the end, even before that that, none of

1470
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: that was prevalent. Nobody knew about none of that. It

1471
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: was more I think, uh, some charges about being with

1472
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: a minor and some other stuff, and so that I

1473
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: think was because the wave was like his whole age

1474
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: group and the fans that he had were little kids,

1475
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: musician around that or be influenced by that. It's kind

1476
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: of messed up, you feel me. And then came everything

1477
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: else later. So I don't know. Once it got weird

1478
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: like that and I said, I said, I had my fun.

1479
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: That's say thank you. We're not friends, Okay, no problem,

1480
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: We're not friends.

1481
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 3: No, regardless of what you say about that motherfucker A

1482
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 3: hell of a run, right, you know, you.

1483
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 1: Know, genius marketing, genius smart, all of them things. But

1484
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: it just wasn't our time. You know, like a lot

1485
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 1: of homies that I don't work out with, just I

1486
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: always say, like creative believe it just wasn't our time,

1487
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: you know.

1488
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 3: You know what trists me out, man. I think he

1489
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 3: proved man that don't nobody want to go to jail

1490
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 3: dog because him and Charleston White talk more ship than

1491
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 3: motherfuckers that I don't ever see and don't nobody do

1492
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 3: nothing today as my motherfuckers be like really talking that

1493
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 3: ship and don't know body, don't nobody want to go

1494
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 3: to jails?

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Speaker 1: Escapes Camus, you know, has a funny way of doing things.

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Speaker 1: No one escapes. They might look like that, you know

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Speaker 1: in the beginning, but at the end, no one is.

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Speaker 1: No one goes unscathed, you know.

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Speaker 3: Hell, yes, thank energy for show. For sure, man, Well,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you coming to sit down with us, Big Dog. Definitely,

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Speaker 3: it was for sure epic. Man, y'all make sure, man,

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Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, all that other ship we got here? Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 3: that concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast.

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Speaker 3: the show, leave a comment and rating. Executive producers for

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Speaker 3: The Gangster Chronicles podcast Norman Stell, Aaron m c a Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Our visual media director is Brian Watt, and all your

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