1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: dot Com. There we go on the Giants Mobile part 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: of the Giants Podcast yetwork. Welcome to another edition of 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: the Giants Huttle Podcast, brought you by psc and G 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Energy Efficiency. For game time and anytime, visit PSEG dot 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: com slash Giants for discounts, rebates and home energy assessments 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: from NFL Network. The Queen of Analytics, Synthony Freeland Faltatino, 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: John Schmulk with you, Cynthy. Good to see you. How's 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: the combine treating you so far? I got here late 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: last night, so it's great. Still, I'm still like in 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: my like combine high. I do miss my puppy, but 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: other than that, we're good. How old your puppy? He's 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: eight months. I rescued him and I like love him 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: so much. He's like a I think he's a mix 15 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: between a German shepherd and a husky. Oh, his name's Gordy. 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: After Gordy, How that's terrific. That's how you know you're 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: from Michigan. Brought California weather. He got seventy degree. You 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: know what. I'm glad I could bring you for you 19 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, thank you. It's snowing back at home. I 20 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: think right, it was back in Jersey. Yeah, yes, needless 21 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: to say, my wife was not happy. I flew out 22 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: for this ship the day they got five edges of snow. 23 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 1: Not pleased. I had to wait before thirty to beat 24 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: my ten months old up to snow before she had 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: to bring them to the end. Good. Anyway, let's let's 26 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: get down the business here, Cynthia, that's someone that likes numbers. 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: What numbers are you keeping an eye out on this week? 28 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: And you think are legitimately important? You know which one 29 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: gets publicized? Right? Yeah? But what's important number wise for 30 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: you and for teams as they work through this combined 31 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: process as well? Well? I think the thing so you 32 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: want to like verify the film, right, like everyone's guardy 33 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: put their college film. That's all there. You can watch 34 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 1: it and you don't want to see anything like weird 35 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: one way or another, like did you miss something in 36 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: a bad way if someone doesn't test at least okay, 37 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: or did you miss something in a good way and 38 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, maybe we should double check this person. 39 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: So I'd like to watch for things like balance and 40 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: it's just just kind of work out stuff to see 41 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: if they've like kept going with their workouts since since 42 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: their college careers ended. Because let's let's be honest, there 43 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: are going to be some guys who are Jim freaks. 44 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: Right like today Tyree already like people are asking him 45 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: to measure his arms and wingspans athletic athletic freak. And 46 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: that's I mean, because you're like, this guy's doing crazy 47 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: things at two seventy five, and we all are just 48 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, that's mind blowing, like funny, that's 49 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: why I'm interrupting you. But it's almost like expectations and 50 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: the numbers compared to the expectation is much more important 51 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: than and look some of the things are. Like the 52 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: reality is is we already kind of know who these 53 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: good players are, and you already kind of know who 54 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: the ones you're going to pass on our It's all 55 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: about the average ones in between and kind of getting 56 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: those right because you can see how an average player 57 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: in coach day bles system would become better than that 58 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: you saw. Isaiah Hodgens is a great example of that, right, 59 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: So you find these players who they fit what he 60 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: needs to do and they can connect on this level 61 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: of Like you know, the interviews are important at the 62 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: combines because the coach can see can you learn from me? 63 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: Do we have something in common? How do we can 64 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: we can we get on the same page here? And 65 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: that's what's more important. People want to ask you about 66 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: a very important concept to coaches, and that's play speed, 67 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: because we will hear about forty times oh yeah, incessantly 68 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: for the next several days. But yet you will then 69 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: hear some of these guys, but my place speeds a 70 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: hell of a lot better than that. Yep, And only 71 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: the eye test can tell you about play speed, right, 72 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: unless how much do you consider all of that? Well? 73 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: I think that running routes in college consistently is really 74 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: interesting because if you can consistently run not every wide 75 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: receiver runs every route. I'm just using wide receivers as 76 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: an example. They don't run everything in every every route 77 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: on the tree, right, So if they can do something 78 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: really well, and then you can like see how that extrapolates, 79 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: like deep crossers. Not every team has that in their bag, right, 80 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: Like they don't. They don't all do that. So if 81 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: you're looking at kind of the in between the number stuff, 82 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: you're not ever going to get up to full speeds. 83 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: So I don't know why you care about my forty, right, 84 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: but if I can get my first ten, that first 85 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: ten split at my forty, if I can get up 86 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: to full speed quick, now I care about that. And 87 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: we can measure everything now like you can measure how 88 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: fast someone starts off the line of scrimmage. You can fast. 89 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: You can measure when it's uh pressed, when you're getting 90 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: pressured and you know someone's in your face and in 91 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: press coverage. Right then you can see oh like I 92 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: slow down significantly. You can see change of direction speeds. 93 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: Some guys are straight line runners. That's what the forty is. 94 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 1: Does that really matter? Because how often are you running 95 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: in a straight line? And by the way, if my 96 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: defensive lineman is running forty yards, oh heck is broken loop? 97 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: That's good and it is. It's so it's fun and 98 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: take it for what it is. Might be doing anything exactly. 99 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: Go go. So I think you very one a great point. 100 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you a little bit 101 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: about some of this players being measured, like like they 102 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: the Zebra system yea a senior bowl for example, and 103 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: they can measure speed coming in and out of breaks 104 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: and talking to coaches, That's something that I think is 105 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: important to them, right, how quickly they can change direction 106 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the stem of the route and 107 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: then make that move. So I guess how seriously from 108 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: your understanding or teams taking those college tracking numbers, and 109 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: I guess the other part of the two is that 110 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of different systems. One 111 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: conference uses one system, yeahference uses another system, and a 112 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: lot of times the numbers sometimes don't always be five. 113 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: So how do the NFL teams then take with their 114 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: GPS tells compared to different systems that different colleges are using. Visually, 115 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: if you can't cross compare them, they're kind of useless, right, 116 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: So how do you put all that together? The reality 117 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: is is when you're looking at those fine points like that, 118 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: like all you need to do is narrow things down 119 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: to make like you already have great decision makers if 120 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: you've made it to the NFL level as a coach, 121 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: as a scout, as a front office person like Joe 122 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: Shane has put in the time and hours. He knows 123 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: a good football player when he sees it give him 124 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: fewer options, so that what you're doing is you're compressing 125 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: it is opposed to let's check out these thirty cornerbacks. 126 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: Let's do five because these five fit the profile of 127 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: what we're looking for, right, So these are the five 128 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: that we want to choose between, and we'll put a 129 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: number grade on each one or around grade however they 130 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: want to grade. But every system is a little different. 131 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: But the point is is you're not if you're really 132 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: looking at the difference between like the systems there, they 133 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: tend to be like like relatively the same. They rank 134 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: the players in about the same order, and maybe it's 135 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: like very little differences, right, You're not you're not getting 136 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: like player like corner one and corner five on a 137 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: Zebra system aren't going to be maybe the time is different, 138 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: but the ranking is going to be the same as 139 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: in the non Zebra system, right. So so so you're 140 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: just you want to look at relatively, you're just looking 141 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: for flags of who could be good and how we 142 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: could use them best. Someone that doesn't need a threshold, right, right, 143 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: like if you's or someone who you didn't realize but 144 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: is over it and maybe that's a little gem that 145 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: you could draft in a late round. Right, So it's 146 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: less about the the one one thousand of who cares, right, 147 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: but the relative this guy gets out of his break. 148 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: I know, I like the Alabama right or whatever right, 149 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: and but oh this ls you guy. He gets out 150 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: of his brakes faster, consistently and every single game. I 151 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: didn't realize that, right. Okay, so those two schools people 152 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: prior to but you know what I'm saying. All right, 153 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to double up with the Giants question. Oh, 154 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, we've seen how Saquon Barkley bounced 155 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: back from significant injury. Yes, we have seen Daniel Jones 156 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: improved dramatically under Brian Dable. Yes, what did your analytics 157 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: tell you specifically about how far Barkley really did rebound? 158 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: Is he one hundred percent of what he was as 159 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: a rookie? And did Daniel Jones show you mathematically where 160 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: his biggest jumps were as as a player. Let's start 161 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: with SAE think sake, one's better than he was as 162 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: a rookie. The stats or whatever he might not like 163 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: bear out the exact same way. But his value and 164 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: his ability to earn first downs and touchdowns is more 165 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: valuable than when he was a rookie. This season specifically, 166 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: in the beginning of the season, his value was like astronomical. 167 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: Now defense is adjusted to it, and he still stayed 168 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: incredibly valuable even once defense is adjusted to it. But 169 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: even that adjustment to having to really focus on him 170 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: with as much attention as teams did because they didn't 171 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: know if he was going to be healthy at the 172 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: beginning of the season, so they had a lot of 173 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: different game plans. Well, now now you're like, okay, we 174 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: got it. Sake one, Barkley, that's the plan his value 175 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: and now you create opportunities in the past game. So 176 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: he's more valuable now than he was as a rookie. 177 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: Like and to me it's I don't know the exact 178 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: number or there, but relative to where he started, he's 179 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: gotten more valuable. So he'd like to hear that right now. 180 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: Actually it's a good time for him to hear that. 181 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: I understand he's hearing kitching, kitching, kiching, But but the 182 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: reality is is get the right contract to match it, 183 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: because I think that's going to be the right thing, 184 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: right Like contract is art and a science creating the 185 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: right contracts because you're not you don't want to, you 186 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: don't want to disrespect someone. But at the same time, 187 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: I understand like two twenty four eight sounds like a 188 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: lot of millions of dollars, but it actually goes pretty fast, 189 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: especially with you know, you see in a season when 190 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: people get hurt and you have to bring people in 191 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: like just it goes pretty fast. So it's tricky now 192 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones. Then one of the interesting things I 193 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: always look at how a quarterback performs in a clean 194 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: pocket because that's theoretically the best situation they're going to 195 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: find themselves in, meaning no pressure. This is how they 196 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: and his clean pocket ratings are very strong that he 197 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: needs a few better pass catchers, and I don't think 198 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: any Giants fan would disagree with me. I'm not saying 199 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: anything that anyone right. And if he has a few 200 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: more stronger threats, deeper threats that aren't just named Saquon Barkley, 201 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: then it would look even better because he is a 202 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: dual threat quarterback and people they don't forget that, but 203 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: they don't think of him in that same way. And 204 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: if you add it, if you just gave a little 205 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: bit more space, you're not compressing that part of the field, 206 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: like right behind the line, like then you're you're going 207 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: to see even better results. I'm a I'm a Daniel 208 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: Jones believer. Again, you gotta get the contract, right, I'm 209 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: not saying he deserves to get paid Patrick mahomes money, right. 210 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: I want to follow up on Daniel. I think it's 211 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: probably the time for our last one. You know, what 212 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: do you like when you evaluate quarterbacks? Are you big 213 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: of a big EPA per play per drop back believer? 214 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: I think it's a little broad for me. I don't 215 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: think it really tells you as much as you like, right, 216 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: and then I guess you know, he was great in 217 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: the completion percentage over expected, but his average at the 218 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: target was down. Do you think some of the stuff 219 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: that people point to, which is really the EPA and 220 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: the depth of target where people try to, you know, 221 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: pin hits on him? And why when you look at 222 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: quarterbacks around the league, how much are those numbers impacted 223 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: by the talent around them? As you mentioned, and you 224 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: want to bring better pass catches? Right? Yeah? Do those 225 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: numbers go up because you get better talent? And do 226 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: you think that is what was holding him back in 227 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: those types of specific categories. Well, I think the O 228 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: line was holding him back. A little bit too good. 229 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: Great answer, Yeah, so I think two things, right, Like, 230 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: of course you will have better. The thing about EPA is, look, 231 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: we're all outsiders. Like what's really going on is that 232 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: Joe Shane and Brian Dable have a system that's their 233 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: version of EPA. They might call it that, but like 234 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, they call whatever they call it, right like 235 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: and or they however they want to determine it. And 236 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: for fans, by way, that's expected points AD and expected 237 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: points added. Again, we're outsider, so and we want to 238 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: measure everyone with the same stick because, like, think about it, 239 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: our job is content, so like, wow, I thought that 240 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: was a Michigan acts about content. Bring a girl back 241 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: to the Midwest and our accent comes out anyways, Um, 242 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: but you know, so we we all want to measure 243 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: with one stick. Right, So you can say this quarterback's 244 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: better or worse than that whatever, right, But the reality 245 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: is is that like in your system, are you executing 246 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: the things that you want to be doing? Yes or no? 247 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: Then this is what you're like your team totally overperformed 248 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: like any win expectation maybe like like to the point 249 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: where you're like wow, like right, like and I'm not 250 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: trying to be mean, like you know, but but but 251 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: it's possible that and that is a huge testament to 252 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: now it's I guess my thing is, what would you 253 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: imagine if you give them a few more players, like, 254 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: just give them a few more seconds to hold of football. 255 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: See what happens time phone? Yeah, yea more defense. Wick 256 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: Martindale says to us, it's all about points aloud, it's 257 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: all about red zones. It's about I'm gonna play. I'm 258 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: going to keep coming. And the bottom line is he 259 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: doesn't care about where they rank in any of those 260 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: other categories. He just says, this is what I'm gonna do. Yeah, 261 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: this is what we're going to do, and we're keeping 262 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: you off the scoreboard. How difficult is that for someone 263 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: like you to swallow? I mean, he's great because I 264 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: know what he's gonna do every play like that's wonderful 265 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: for no. Look, I think you should be true to 266 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: whatever your system is. The problem is is you then 267 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: have to have the right players to execute that. And 268 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: he did upfront, but you got to back it up 269 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: into the corners, right the corners. You have to back 270 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: it or maybe a really nasty safeties whatever you have 271 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: to really back it up with excellent, Like you can't 272 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: just like all or nothing right like so so sure, 273 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: but I don't care tell me yourself. I kind of 274 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: like that. He's like, this is my system because not 275 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: only do we understand, but his players understand. And that's 276 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: a really big key. So you have the right guys 277 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: up front. I love the friends great, but you got 278 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: to add those pieces in the back to execute that. 279 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't care what your strategy is, just get the 280 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: pieces that fit in right. Like if I'm I'm five 281 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: foot six, I'm never going to dunk a basketball. If 282 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: you ask me to play a five like I'm messing 283 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: up right, your team's gonna suck. But if you ask 284 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: me to play point guard shooting guard, we're going to 285 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: be a lot better. Just the point is this, get 286 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: the right do what you want to do. I don't 287 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: care who you tell, just get the right players to 288 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: execute that quick ten second follow is just focusing on 289 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: red zone defense. Is that a sustainable thing or is 290 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: that such a small sample side they can't get very 291 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: variable from you to year. It's very variable year to year. 292 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: And also you have to remember that like a lot 293 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: of times touchdowns happen when a coverage is busted, that's 294 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: outside the red area. So red area is great if 295 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: you don't have like deep touchdowns, had it right, like 296 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: so and those deep threats because we're such a passing 297 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: focused league and the running backs do break really long 298 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: runs like a lot of Anthony, and you're playing a 299 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: lot wait, peop, let's just know so you know, like 300 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: but looks like you're If that happens, then it's actually 301 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: not helpful because that's like a thirty yard touchdown then, right, So, Cynthia, 302 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: great stuff. We appreciate it. 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