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Speaker 2: Keep that same energy.

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Speaker 1: My guy'll fuck you up to what. Let's go, who

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Speaker 1: you talking to? Laying for him to say that type

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Speaker 1: to me, it just th me for a lout. You

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Speaker 3: I I was right there.

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Speaker 4: You got on national television and you call.

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Speaker 5: Me, I'm gonna cush you out and I'm gonna talk

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Speaker 5: to I'm gonna speak my mind. Welcome to the show,

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Speaker 5: Mock Mood, I do a roath at this point, your

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Speaker 5: name is Mack Mood.

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Speaker 1: I'm due a roath.

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Speaker 5: Coincidentally, you know you're you're you're really starting to find

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Speaker 5: there's pushback from that from fans and media. Can you

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Speaker 5: speak to when you've kind of entrenched yourself and made

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Speaker 5: the name change and have that crossover, because there's been

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Speaker 5: historical athletes to have done the same, can you speak

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Speaker 5: to what that transition was like for you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right, so many athletes before I have done that.

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Speaker 6: The most notable obvious is Muhammad Ali. People sometimes are

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Speaker 6: very aware of the significance of a name change. To

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Speaker 6: and political move that you made, because look, most of

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Speaker 6: And so when you decide to take the initiative to

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Speaker 6: you know. So I think some of that came from that,

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Speaker 6: I really do, And a lot of it came from

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Speaker 6: So when you begin, when I began, when I first

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Speaker 6: Now it becomes an issue, and it's like there's this

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Speaker 6: The bottom of my heart, and it ended up coming out.

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Speaker 6: What's his name, Mike Evans, assistant coach, went to the

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Speaker 6: I said, Come, I ask me. I said, I don't

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Speaker 6: The more I show you something, you find.

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Speaker 6: And represent you could be standing for those who are pressed,

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Speaker 5: Whether people like it or not, can't put a price

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Speaker 5: on that. Isaiah Thomas, thank you for that time.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 5: We had Magic on the show at the end of

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Speaker 4: You know, I just want some people to be honest.

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Speaker 9: You know, I live with love, peace, truth, you know, honesty, courage,

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Speaker 9: I'm you know, I stand on my square.

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Speaker 4: I'm upright.

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Speaker 9: You know I'm independent and I sit in any chair

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Speaker 9: They ain't been telling the truth right now, anywhere, anytime publicly.

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Speaker 9: I don't don't call me behind the scenes apologizing or

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Speaker 4: You said that on national television.

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Speaker 9: Now, if you didn't mean it, get on national television,

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Speaker 9: say that and apologize for it. Now, if you meant it,

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Speaker 9: I call Magic Johnson. Magic was on the plane. There

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Speaker 9: We were standing in the Four Seasons Hotel. We missed

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Speaker 9: So he on the plane, right. I called him up.

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Speaker 9: Magic didn't mention Michael Jordan. All right, So I'm still waiting.

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Speaker 9: You know, everybody say this stuff publicly. Right, Hey, I'm

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm the type of guy I sit here, I

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Speaker 9: break bread with. But if you line and throwing stones

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so that's all I know. Now where

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Speaker 5: I mean you told me something. I mean, you have

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Speaker 9: It meant a lot, not only to me, but we

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Speaker 9: And then then then we hugged for men because I

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Speaker 1: What did you know? How did that go? Man?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm saying thank you.

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Speaker 9: But let me but let me say, let me say

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Speaker 9: I was like, I'm gonna get my mark back. You know,

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Speaker 1: Hey man, that ain't me.

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Speaker 4: You know how I feel about you?

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Speaker 5: You were Stacks coach his rookie season, and from what

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Speaker 5: I've heard over the years, there was a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Of funk at some point.

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Speaker 5: What was the what was what was what was the

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Speaker 5: I mean, we're here on all the smoke and so

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna start with you, Jack, what was the disconnection

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Speaker 1: Your rookie year?

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Speaker 10: Well, for me, you know, first, if I said anything

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Speaker 10: burning past, I've finished you.

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Speaker 1: I apologize. I've grown up. I'm a man now.

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Speaker 10: But at the time, I was hurt because I just

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Speaker 10: when I came back from All Star, I just didn't play.

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Speaker 1: And I never understood why. We never had a conversation

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Speaker 10: I never understood why, and you know, not not understanding

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Speaker 10: like I started my like that gave you know, and

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Speaker 10: you know how I showed you that I appreciated that,

439
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 10: you know what I'm saying, But then to not play

440
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 10: when I came back. I never understood why, and I

441
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 10: never got a chance to ask you.

442
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 11: Why, and kind of like what you just said, you know, Jack,

443
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 11: anything I did back in those days, I apologized as well,

444
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 11: because I've grown up and I was I was a

445
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 11: head coach, you know what I'm saying, And this how

446
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 11: this whole thing started from the get go, just how

447
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 11: he made the team.

448
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: We had we had open runs.

449
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 11: My first year's coaching Jersey, Right, how old are you

450
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 11: at this point, thirty six?

451
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Yeah, exactly, I'm thirty six.

452
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 3: I'm young.

453
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still got player. I still got player of mentality.

454
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

455
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 11: Man, So we got open runs and I don't know

456
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 11: if jack remember ASKI right after two days. I said, Eh,

457
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 11: who the hell is that? He said, oh, that's Stephen Jackson.

458
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 11: I said, where he come from?

459
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: Supposed to be there? I've never seen it.

460
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 11: He wasn't supposed to be at the runs. The list

461
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 11: of names I had, his name went on there. So

462
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 11: I'm like, well, where hell they come from? He said, oh,

463
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 11: well he came out of high school. It didn't work out.

464
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 11: I think Phoenix or somebody overseas.

465
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

466
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 11: So I said, we'll invite him back. You know, he

467
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 11: keeps coming back. I said, man, we got to bring

468
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 11: him the camp. He was like, you serious? I said, hell, yeah,

469
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 11: bring him the camp. He started the first game, my

470
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 11: first evident invite from pick up an invite from pickup

471
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 11: games to an invite to start in the first game.

472
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 11: Now we had a bunch of injuries, too. We had

473
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 11: a bunch of guys in the game. Yeah, we have

474
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 11: a bunch of guys that hurt. And not taking anything

475
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 11: away from Jack because he started the first game and

476
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 11: once we came back from the All Star break, those

477
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 11: guys are getting healthy.

478
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: Johnny Newman.

479
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Speaker 10: Yes, but as a youngster, you know how don't understand that,

480
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 10: and you know, as a young coach what I should

481
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 10: have done.

482
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: Explain exactly what I should have done.

483
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 11: Jackets took you to the side after they all start breaking, said,

484
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 11: look you did. You've done a hell of a job.

485
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 11: You've been playing the treatment well. But I got to

486
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 11: see these guys play because when I was in vent

487
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 11: I understood it.

488
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 12: You know.

489
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

490
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 11: I gotta because I gotta make changes. I got to

491
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Speaker 11: figure out who's gonna be here the next year and.

492
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Speaker 1: Who's because those are making money too, and they're making

493
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: a rookie. We had Jim McClain too.

494
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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, man, we had so many We have so

495
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 11: many guys. And it wasn't that Rod Thorn, who was

496
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 11: our president of basketball operation, told me you got to

497
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 11: play these guys. I just knew I had to play.

498
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 11: I got to see what we got for next year.

499
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 11: I got to see who I got to get the

500
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 11: hell out of here.

501
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: Kendall Gill came in. It was kenyr first year, Kenya's

502
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: first year. Yep, kend O Gil came in.

503
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Speaker 11: When I had my season meeting with everybody, and you know,

504
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 11: like I said, I should have approached Jacker talk because

505
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 11: he was nineteen twenty years old, you know, so when

506
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 11: he wasn't playing, you know, he would come to practice

507
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 11: and he was pissed and I was still there.

508
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 10: You remember my when I first got there, I went

509
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 10: to I went to burn like a little kid when

510
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 10: because I first got that my grandfather had I I

511
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 10: was a.

512
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: Kid, bro I was still a kid. Yeah.

513
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Speaker 11: So I mean, you know, as much as you say,

514
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 11: you know things, I could have handled it about a

515
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 11: lot better. But I was youngest shit too, you know

516
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 11: what I'm saying. I was my first year coach, thirty

517
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 11: six years old. As a head.

518
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: That was your first year. That was my first year.

519
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: That was so I looked back on it and I said.

520
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 11: Man, you know what I should have did, which I

521
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 11: did later on because you learn from your mistakes, is

522
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 11: that I should have took Jack to the side and

523
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 11: said listen, this is what's going on.

524
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: I got to find out.

525
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 11: So you just keep one of your things, keep practicing,

526
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 11: keep doing what you're doing, coming to practice with a

527
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 11: great attitude. And if I would explain that to him

528
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 11: shut down, it would have been a lot different. But

529
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 11: he shut down, and Kenyon was the rookie. King was like,

530
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 11: I got him, coach, I got it. And we had

531
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 11: one practice where he really shut down. I said, Jack,

532
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 11: just just go on the locker room, get.

533
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: Him. And Steph was like this step you and Stephan King,

534
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: Steph and Keing, Yeah, oh yeah, button head.

535
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 11: So so Kenyon was Keny was trying to be the

536
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 11: calm one, and you know ken ain't to calm. He

537
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 11: trying to be the colm one and keep everybody together.

538
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 11: And he was like, I got him, I got I

539
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 11: got Jack.

540
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: Coach.

541
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 11: I said, okay, So that that particular day when I

542
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 11: just looked at Jack, I said, Jack, good ship, don't

543
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 11: get out of here. And I looked at King. He

544
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 11: just looked at me, did like this, And I didn't

545
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 11: know I be a profession of them. So it was

546
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 11: it was it was a two way street. And uh,

547
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 11: like you said, we both goten older.

548
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: We're both grown.

549
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 11: You know, Like I said, my biggest mistake was I

550
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 11: wish I could go back and say, let me take

551
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 11: him to the side and explain the situation.

552
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: And I still hold that appreciation.

553
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 10: Nothing has changed with you giving me the opportunity when

554
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 10: nobody else did and allowing me to start my first

555
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 10: NBA game, So I will forever appreciate you for that.

556
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, DeAndre Jordan. Man, I was the

557
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: first trade.

558
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 5: By the way, let's back up and talk about why

559
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: I was the first trade. That's what I wanted to

560
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 5: say earlier.

561
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I think remembers that moment.

562
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 5: But you were sitting and you were sitting right next

563
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: to me when all the ship went down. I was like, man,

564
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 5: please stop because he was picking on me. Please because

565
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 5: he was picking on me over some bullshit, like I

566
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 5: took two We played the Warriors, I think right, but

567
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 5: we had played the Warriors, were watching the Warriors, and

568
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: I took two shots the whole game. And he started

569
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 5: like every shot he reround and then I made I

570
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: was over to you should have passed here, you should

571
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 5: have did this was like, hold on, doc, I took

572
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 5: two shots the whole fun game play defense all the time,

573
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 5: other peoples playing like like what, like I don't mind

574
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 5: you doing it, but you're doing too much. And then

575
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 5: he started talking back to me, and I started talking

576
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 5: back to them. So when I got up.

577
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 13: And it's very uncharacteristic of Matt to ever talk back

578
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 13: to the coach, I just want to let everybody know

579
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 13: that this is a real good guy. He's coachable, don't

580
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 13: say shit, just kind of put his head down at work.

581
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: So this is people that I do.

582
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 5: I grind, Yeah, I mean, I don't talk shit back

583
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 5: to no coach, but I just felt like he was

584
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 5: on me a little x too much.

585
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: So I get up. In the whole room was like

586
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 4: like kind of like they didn't know what was going on.

587
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 5: So I get up and me and DJ are on

588
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 5: the far wall, and then to walk out, you got

589
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: to go past the coaches t lou and docking them.

590
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: And when I got up, DJ Matt man, please don't man,

591
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 5: don't stop. Matt, don't Matt stop. So I get up

592
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 5: and everyone's scared as fuck. They'll know what I'm gonna do,

593
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 5: because I really don't know what I'm gonna do.

594
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: If nobody want to get in front of means like

595
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: he may swing on me, so let me hear.

596
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 5: So I don't know if I'm gonna take off on

597
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 5: Doctor just leaves, so I look and I look at

598
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 5: him and I kind of shake my head and he's

599
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 5: kind of like, so I say, fucking, I just go

600
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 5: out and I'm about to go. I'm about to just

601
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 5: say fucking and take my shit off and go home.

602
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, now, fucking, I can't let my teammates. This

603
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 5: as close as the playoffs, I want to say, I

604
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 5: can't let my teammates down. So I just sit in

605
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 5: there and I can see the field, so you can

606
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 5: see the courts from the locker room. So when they

607
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 5: come back, when they go out, don't watch a film.

608
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 5: We all go out to stretch. I'm like, fucking I

609
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 5: go back out there.

610
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm the starting three.

611
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 14: We're stretching.

612
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 5: And Doc tells me to come flip my jersey to white.

613
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 5: Oh and when I tell you, Bro, I wanted to

614
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 5: cuss his motherfucking ass out that day.

615
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: But this is a whole, This is a two day process.

616
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 5: DJ I cussed him out the next day a shoot

617
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 5: around when we played Portland and we had an early game.

618
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 5: So anyway, so Doc tells me to take my shit off,

619
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 5: and I look at him and just kind of so

620
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 5: I took my ship off and I threw my jersey.

621
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, I was like, I'm not flipping my shit.

622
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 5: These motherfuckers know what team I'm on. And when I

623
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 5: tell you, I went out there and bullied the whole practice,

624
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 5: bullied everybody.

625
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: Y'all ever seen for anybody?

626
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 15: Maybe you could put a clip up the longest yard, yes,

627
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 15: the way Michael, everyone was playing basketball.

628
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 14: I oh shit, I was like, man, we're good, right.

629
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 4: So it fucked me up.

630
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 5: I think I was in trouble for smoke and I

631
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 5: started smoking again that night, didn't sleep all night. It

632
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 5: killed me that I didn't say nothing or jump on Doc.

633
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 5: So the next day we have an early shoot around

634
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 5: and I just go in on him, go in on him,

635
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 5: and in front of everyone. We brought it in and

636
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 5: I just cussed his ass out. We cussed each other out.

637
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 5: We went through shoot around for a little bit. Then

638
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: we were back in the locker room and I was

639
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 5: trying to fuck Dock up and then Mike Brod or

640
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 5: Mike Woodson got in the middle of it. I told

641
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 5: fuck you what do y'all fuck you up to? We

642
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 5: all so and then finally that just me and Doc

643
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 5: got in his office and I made sure everyone else

644
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 5: got out. I locked the door and we just had

645
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 5: a real conversation. And it was his tone that changed

646
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 5: a little bit. But I think he was ready. Yeah,

647
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 5: it was ready. And then everyone was like listening on

648
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 5: the door and anyway I saw I say all that

649
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 5: to say after we lost to Houston, I was traded.

650
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: At twelve oh one. That's where.

651
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: That's why I told the story. I was traded at

652
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 5: twelve o one or Lance Stevenson, Welcome to the show,

653
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 5: Will Smith. Nearly six months removed from your situation. What

654
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 5: have you learned about yourself from that Oscar night?

655
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: That that was? That was a horrific night, man, That

656
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: was that was a horrific night to you for me? Yeah, yeah,

657
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean all the real ones.

658
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 10: Who understood I'm going to stand up for my wife

659
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 10: whether I'm right or wrong in any place. So I

660
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 10: understood that I don't care what you say. Nobody can't

661
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 10: make me think that anything you did was wrong.

662
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 16: Let me tell you one of the uh the words,

663
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 16: because I was right there and I get home and

664
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 16: my nephew, uh nine years old.

665
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: His name is Dom and he is the sweetest kid

666
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: in the world. You know. Him and my sister live

667
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: with me.

668
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 16: And I'm sitting we got these bean bags in the kitchen.

669
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 16: I'm sitting in the kitchen. He's sitting between my leg

670
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 16: and he's holding the oscar and he goes, why you

671
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 16: hit that man, Uncle Will? And I was like, and

672
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 16: it's like, you know, I'm gonna be crying. Somebody got

673
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 16: a tissue and.

674
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: It was I got one.

675
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 16: I got one, And it was like, sa yea, I

676
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 16: knew y'all was gonna have me right.

677
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: You can't explain it to him.

678
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: He stayed up late waiting for you, waiting.

679
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 14: For Uncle Will, you know.

680
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 16: And it was like, you know, I can, I can

681
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 16: do all the justifications for ever.

682
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: He won't understands.

683
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 6: He can't.

684
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: You know, our brother.

685
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 5: King time you talked to us about the Michigan experience,

686
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 5: because it was historical from a standpoint of us looking

687
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 5: up to y'all the streets, loving y'all, but the pushback

688
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 5: that you guys got from mainstream media the school after

689
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 5: y'all did so much for them and now, I mean,

690
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 5: it makes makes us feel good when you hear you

691
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 5: know they're starting to accept y'all back because the ship

692
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 5: was bullshit to begin with. But talk to us about

693
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 5: that journey, that experience, because I mean, you were at

694
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 5: the top of the top at times, and even when

695
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 5: you're at the top, probably emotionally you felt like you

696
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 5: was at the bottom because all the bullshit y'all.

697
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: Was facing correct and you ready for this.

698
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 17: And again, like I have no ill will to my

699
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 17: Michigan experience, I said, once Juwan got the job, Yeah,

700
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 17: I could go to a game my brother standing on

701
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 17: the sideline, suited and booted. Even if they don't acknowledge us,

702
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 17: they got to acknowledge us because my brother standing around.

703
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

704
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 17: But to be honest with you, to answer that question,

705
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 17: they still don't acknowledge us to this day, to.

706
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 10: This day's not going back up.

707
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: I would just add, I got season tickets looking up now.

708
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 5: Motherfucker's still out up there, huh, to this day, this.

709
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: Week that's that's that's week two.

710
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 10: Because just like he said, I just told him, I

711
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 10: don't remember when I stopped my junior year in high

712
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 10: school ninety five.

713
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: We ball hads big shurance blackside because of y'all.

714
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 10: So we know what the influence so so for y'all

715
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 10: not to be accepted there, that kind of just said.

716
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 10: It says a lot about the university to people like

717
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 10: us to this day.

718
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 17: Deontay Walder, I got season tickets. I go to the

719
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 17: games to represent from my brother. I ain't go back

720
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 17: when see Webb got his band and then like how

721
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 17: we weren't acknowledged from when I left until like twenty

722
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 17: twenty twenty eighteen, a twenty year period. I ain't go

723
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 17: back to ann Arbor but like once one time until Juwan.

724
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: Got the job.

725
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 17: That's when I let it go. But they still ain't

726
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 17: like acknowledging us. They can the Fab five numbers ain't

727
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 17: even retire at Michigan.

728
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

729
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 17: That's crazy right now, Like I was just watching a

730
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 17: kid shout to Robbie Humble, a kid to go to Purdue.

731
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: I was watching the.

732
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 17: Game like he regards never retired, right, And so I

733
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 17: had to ignore it, Matt.

734
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: I had to ignore it, Jack, I had to just

735
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: let it go. How hard? How hard is that though?

736
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 10: Because it's like like that's some of your best years

737
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 10: of your life, the best, you know what I'm saying

738
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 10: the best and then some of them and them bonds

739
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 10: that y'all built, you know what I'm saying, they gonna

740
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 10: last forever.

741
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 17: And what pisses me off is that my Texas brothers

742
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 17: don't get their true salute. Yeah, Like I love Ray

743
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 17: and Jimmy, and I ride for them on and off

744
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 17: the camera.

745
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: They'll tell you.

746
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 17: And I hate that Ray Jackson sacrificed so much to

747
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 17: be a part of our team. And I know he

748
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 17: was purposely kept out of the NBA at that time,

749
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 17: really purposely. He wanted MVP of the CBA and still

750
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 17: didn't get.

751
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: In the league. Sure it did, Sure did.

752
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 17: That's the equivalent of y'all are winning the MVP of

753
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 17: like the G League or whatever. The man mind he

754
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 17: was balling, Yeah, he was balling. He deserved the chance

755
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 17: to play. Same with Jimmy, and so I hate now

756
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 17: that the nil rules exist. Imagine if they could have

757
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 17: got bred, then we had hirachis that we was rocking

758
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 17: long short black shoes. Imagine if we got bread off

759
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 17: of every pair of black socks to get.

760
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: Sold, we would have had that. We would have had

761
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: that body wasn't doing that, We would have had.

762
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 17: That and so I hate that for them because Ray,

763
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 17: in particular, he sacrificed the most. Ray was faster than us,

764
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 17: He's more athletic than us. Like I used to sit

765
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 17: back and marvel at him, like like you should want

766
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 17: to tax your stock.

767
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: In fact, me and him had this confidence.

768
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 17: We were He'll tell you we're in South quad at

769
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 17: u of M and he wasn't playing.

770
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: I had talks with Ray, like.

771
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 17: God, you might need to think about transfer.

772
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: He was that good. He gave up that much.

773
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 17: And so I hate for them not to get their

774
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 17: love right because they deserve it so much.

775
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously we were touching on the lows, but

776
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 5: talk about some of the highs. And in the culture,

777
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 5: how you guys were able to, you know, intermix the

778
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 5: culture of hip hop and sports at such a young age,

779
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 5: Like you leave that too and Alan iverson when he

780
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 5: gets to the NBA, But you guys were able to

781
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 5: do it as teenagers.

782
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 17: Like Magic and Bird like helped revolutionize the NBA for

783
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 17: the eighties, right, Like, so that's the league I ended

784
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 17: up watching. And then like Jordan and Isaiah and Hakeem

785
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 17: and all of these guys get drafted in the eighties.

786
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 17: So like they needed to turn around the image of

787
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 17: the NBA. So they weren't really like politically driven as

788
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 17: the athletes before them, the Muhammad Ali's, Kareem Abdul Jabbar,

789
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 17: Bill Russell. They weren't as politically driven. But I looked

790
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 17: up to UNLV's team, Anderson Hunt went to my high school,

791
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 17: you know, to find a four MVP of nineteen ninety

792
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 17: play with LJ and Stacey aug He went to my

793
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 17: high school. Derrick Coleman was when he was at Syracuse.

794
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 17: Big John when he was at Georgetown. Big John actually

795
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 17: reached out to us because that was a time where

796
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 17: he was opposing the prop forty eight rules and the

797
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 17: game would start, they tossed the ball up in Big

798
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 17: John to walk off. Well, he was in contact with

799
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 17: us about doing it too. A lot of people don't

800
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 17: realize that and us just being ourselves and realized like.

801
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: This one. I know, this sounds crazy. This is when rap.

802
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 17: Music wasn't accepted by sports, Like when I was in

803
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 17: high school, using the layout line and stuff like, they

804
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 17: weren't playing rat I remember I.

805
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: Was the DJ. I used to bring the tapes.

806
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 17: You had to put the little tissue at the top

807
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 17: of the tape like started right here because when I

808
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 17: was in high school, Southwestern Carris One had a song

809
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 17: called south Bronx and we were Southwest were like Southwest,

810
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 17: South Southwest all BMF being their first coats on. It

811
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 17: was crazy, it was it was nuts, you know. And

812
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 17: they purposely come in middle of the first quarter, just

813
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 17: fifty of them, white, first full list, three quarters, truck,

814
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 17: jewels everything.

815
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: They stopped the game. So that is where it came

816
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: from for me.

817
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 17: Like I was playing, like it's almost like above the rim,

818
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 17: like I was playing. Yeah, so it was like slang

819
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 17: crack rocker got a wicked jump shut.

820
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: So it was like I was hooping.

821
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 17: They was hustling, and like Detroit was on fire at

822
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 17: that time. Pistons won back to backs, Dasmin won the

823
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 17: Heist Man, the Tigers won the World Series. We were

824
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 17: the Fab five, so it was a great time to

825
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 17: be us. But I realized I personally we arrived. I

826
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 17: went to Cameo Summer Jam early nineties and it was

827
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 17: all of the top artists. And again this is before

828
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 17: sports embraced rap. You used to hear who there it is,

829
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 17: and what's my guy name? This is how Mantel Jeorge. Yeah, yeah,

830
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 17: those are the only songs they played. Those are the

831
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 17: only songs they played. And I'll never forget.

832
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: Going to Will Smith. Yeah yeah, sure. Parents just don't understand.

833
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 17: And I went to Cameo summer Jam after our freshman

834
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 17: year and this one Hammer was the number one artists

835
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 17: in the world and the Pistons were the first team

836
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 17: to adopt you can't touch this. That's what brought rap

837
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 17: to the NBA, which brought it to sports. And I

838
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 17: remember there was so many artists TC, Deon Sanders was there,

839
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 17: also all the Bears too, shore E Forty Spice One,

840
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 17: Pete Rock, Ceo Smooths, everybody, everybody, MC light, It was everybody.

841
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: And I was like trying to.

842
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 17: Get in a little bit, you know how we do

843
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 17: it whatever, strolling up. Then Louis Barrell Hammer Brothers.

844
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 18: Like man, like, yeah, let me because Hammer was like

845
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 18: a hundred of them every show. He then got a

846
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 18: hundred of them, so.

847
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 17: I got a chance to like and before I knew it,

848
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 17: I was up on the stage and then during the

849
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 17: intermissions of the show is like a basketball court and

850
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 17: I was around my favorite artist. They go LLL, they

851
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 17: go run, DMC, they go EPMD Naughty by Nation and

852
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 17: they knew who I was.

853
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, this is.

854
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 17: Crazy, and I ended up being friends with them. E

855
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 17: pm D gave me a skyt pager.

856
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: You know what.

857
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 17: I used to go to East Iceland when I was

858
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 17: in college. There's a picture of me online when I

859
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 17: got a Hurricane shirt on. I'm holding up a forty

860
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 17: ounce like I was at I was at the EPMD

861
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 17: studio when I took that picture. So that's when I

862
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 17: felt like a ride.

863
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when I.

864
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 17: Felt like the Five five a arride because the culture

865
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 17: embraced us, because mainstream media didn't like us. So I

866
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 17: look back at it now, they look at it like,

867
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 17: oh with the Fab five. It's kind of like when

868
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 17: I look at the career Muhammad Ali, like when he

869
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 17: died or when he got Parkinson's seemed like he got embraced.

870
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: That's what happened when he couldn't That's that's crazy. That's

871
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: my idol.

872
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 10: I said it to somebody when he couldn't talk, that's

873
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 10: when they gave him his love.

874
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 17: Like it's an iconic moment that he lit the torch

875
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 17: in Atlanta. But that's one of my least favorite Muhammad

876
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 17: Ali moments because that was not his biggest, that was

877
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 17: not his best. We met him when we were in college.

878
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 17: We went to his room, we did magic tricks for us.

879
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 17: He gave us confidence, like don't let nobody muzzle y'all voices,

880
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 17: or that he moved to Michigan. I got a chance

881
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 17: to meet him a lot, and so we as athletes

882
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 17: and as black people came a long way to expressing ourselves.

883
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 17: And he was a trailblazer for that. Dion Sanders was

884
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 17: another trailblazer for that. Anytime you tell yourself you great

885
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 17: before they tell you you great, they don't.

886
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 5: Like that, especially when you write, especially when.

887
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 17: Exactly so it went down like that, What part did

888
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 17: you pay in the swag?

889
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 10: Like I know everybody had their own input, the bagging

890
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 10: shorts of shoes you played.

891
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 17: It's hard for me to like say it without people

892
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 17: thinking I'm trying to make.

893
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: It about me. But you was the fashionable one though

894
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: I was the one that cared. I cared more, that's all.

895
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 17: Juwan didn't. Jawan was like, no, I'm trying to ball.

896
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 17: Johan's a professional. Juan was always ten years older than us.

897
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: But the same age.

898
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 17: But the same age, never had a not a fresh cut,

899
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 17: always had a big gold tee, always had a crease

900
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 17: in his pants. Like we all kept our originality. And

901
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 17: so many times people talk about us all wearing bald heads.

902
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: He ain't cut his hairball. He didn't know.

903
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 17: He was like, I love y'all, I ain't cutting my hairball.

904
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 17: I'm rather I ain't cutting my hairball. And so like,

905
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 17: I started wanting to wear the shorts because Doug Smith Missouri,

906
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 17: Steve Smith's Syracuse, Anderson Hunt, un l v Steve Smith,

907
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 17: Michigan State. They used to all come home in the

908
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 17: summer and bring me shorts, right, So I used to

909
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 17: have those satin shorts down on my They get heavy

910
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 17: when you start sweating in them, but they were so cold.

911
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 17: So like, by the time we got to college, I'm like,

912
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 17: y'all got a Nike contract.

913
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 1: I know y'all can get us a longer shorts. That's

914
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: really what it was.

915
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 17: Bobbie Blayd, I remember his name, our equipment, Like, we

916
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 17: want some longer shorts. And then the other thing, y'all know,

917
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 17: Nike rep came in, Welcome to the school.

918
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: Everything's great, man.

919
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 17: He put on some power forward shoes, man, back up,

920
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 17: power forward shoes.

921
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: Back up.

922
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 17: Yeah, we're not wearing them with a bow jacket. We

923
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 17: we ain't wearing those high tops up to my car.

924
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing them.

925
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 17: And so that's when the hurrachis came. They didn't even

926
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 17: want us to wear them because they felt like it

927
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 17: wasn't a basketball shoe because your ankles.

928
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: Were out right.

929
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 17: And so we wore them, and it's like you got

930
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 17: to get your ankles taped before every practice, before every

931
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 17: game for a lawsuit, Like okay, cool. And then we

932
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 17: signed the a little wafers so we could wear those shoes.

933
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 17: And that's where like the whole fashion thing with the

934
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 17: shoes came from the ball heads.

935
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 6: It was more like just solidarity, one for all, all

936
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 6: for one.

937
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 14: Whatever.

938
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: The socks, Ray Jackson.

939
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 17: Really yes, indeed, we were about to play in Texas.

940
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 17: I forgot the first I forgot one of them Texas schools.

941
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 17: And Ray's homeboy came to the hotel. Ray was like,

942
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 17: da da dah, I've been traveling, bring me some socks.

943
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 17: And he brought Ray a gray pair with blue Nike.

944
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 17: And I was in the room playing Madden and Ray

945
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 17: came in the room and he pulled out the socks.

946
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 17: I'm like, oh, where you get them from? It's like

947
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 17: you just got it for the mall. And then we

948
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 17: all looked like they have some black So we went

949
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 17: to the mall and I just think about this. They

950
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 17: didn't have five pairs of black socks out an entire mall.

951
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 17: The first game, I wore dress socks on top of

952
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 17: my white sox. True story, and on dress socks. We

953
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 17: went to the little stall. We put on our unis,

954
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 17: covered up the socks.

955
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 19: Da da.

956
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 17: We ain't gonna snap off our pants until right before

957
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 17: the tip off, so they won't tell us.

958
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 12: No.

959
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: You know how that worked.

960
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 17: We do it prior gotta get it. We're gonna shut

961
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 17: it down, so we're gonna make sure can't shut it down.

962
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 17: So that that's how we did it.

963
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: That's dope. Yeah, oh Rice, that's what he's playing.

964
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: Now.

965
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: I love him.

966
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 17: He should be in the Hall of Fame. Three final,

967
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 17: four US National Championship. He should be in the Hall

968
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 17: of Fame. Did great with San Diego State, brought their

969
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 17: program back to life. Brian Dutcher, who now coaching, was

970
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 17: the lead recruiters. Juwan signed with him first. Now their

971
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 17: head coach. He was giving our tickets on campus. Now

972
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 17: they got a real program. He should be in the

973
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 17: Hall of Fame. He's got many championships as Jim Beahan

974
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 17: and my guy in Michigan.

975
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: State, who I love. I mean, he got many championships.

976
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: Is done like he deserved it. What's your relationship with Web?

977
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 5: We touched on it in Atlanta when we had him

978
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 5: recently disintroducted the Hall of Fame.

979
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: Saw that shout out, But what's your relationship with Web?

980
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 17: I love Web and I'm almost sure, especially since Juwan

981
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 17: just re signed that I'll see him in a arbor.

982
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm back living in a d and.

983
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 17: I see he just did it something incredible. Donation to

984
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 17: cannabis and al killing him in Detroit too, shot the viola.

985
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 17: I just love how strip clubs and we used to

986
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 17: be taboo even though everybody else was doing it. Now

987
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 17: we started doing It's great to see us getting profit

988
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 17: off of it. And so I believe we be alt

989
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 17: a break bread this year or whatever.

990
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: At a game. I'm glad I got a chance to

991
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: be there. When he got inducted in the Hall of Fame.

992
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 17: I'm glad he got a chance to be on the

993
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 17: show right after I lost my mom, and so we're goodie.

994
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 17: I have no problems, no ill will with my brother.

995
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 17: Of course, we need to probably sit down and talk

996
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 17: about some dotsormize and cross some teas or whatever. But

997
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 17: you know, I'm taking the bullet for see.

998
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: Well that's my brother.

999
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 5: Welcome to the show, legendar Eric Dickerson. In a January

1000
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two interview with The New York Times, you

1001
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 5: discussed possibly suffering from CTE.

1002
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: Where are you at with that? Is that something that's.

1003
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 19: Oh yeah, yeah, of course. I mean I'm not the

1004
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 19: same guy I wasn't you know, even after I retired.

1005
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: You know, you don't know.

1006
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 19: I mean, like right now, I got I got the

1007
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 19: own sense of Parkinson's. I gotta take him badication of Parkinson's.

1008
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 19: I'm gonna tell you this's the sad thing about this,

1009
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 19: this whole deal is that with the NFL, and look,

1010
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 19: I love playing I just love playing football. And the

1011
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 19: NFL makes you hate the NFL where they treat the players,

1012
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 19: especially black players, like a lot of you probably never.

1013
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 5: Heard you ever heard of race nor me? Yeah, is

1014
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 5: that they said that they raced on the black rationed

1015
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 5: on us break that down though, because I remember reading

1016
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 5: about that.

1017
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 19: So what they'll do, what they'll say is, okay, we'll

1018
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 19: take the black player and white player. The white player

1019
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 19: was already smart. The black player was not smart already.

1020
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 19: So if he comes down, the white players should get

1021
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 19: paid by the black players shouldn't get because he was

1022
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 19: already dumb. Basically, he was already kind of dumb.

1023
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: And this wasn't even that long ago though.

1024
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 19: Oh this was only this was like five years ago,

1025
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 19: and they and they said that we won't do it again.

1026
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 19: I mean, it's like when when we get hurt, you know,

1027
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 19: it's it's it's like like right now, you know it's

1028
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 19: in the case with them for for for the Parkinson's

1029
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 19: and CTE and we all get we get so manys,

1030
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 19: they get denied. Give a great example, my friend Christian

1031
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 19: a choir Nightmare, were just playing. I was teasing a

1032
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 19: by the the other day because he got that accent

1033
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 19: and so he's going for a C.

1034
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: T E.

1035
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 19: KSE and and the race Norman thing came in saying that,

1036
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 19: well he's Nigerian, so maybe he couldn't speak good an

1037
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 19: he don't understand crazy. I mean, I was teasing. I

1038
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 19: said I was teaving. I said, maybe they're right, but

1039
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 19: but then that's just some of the stuff.

1040
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: Man.

1041
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 19: It's great game, but it's the way they treat the

1042
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 19: black players. Man, it's horrible. I just got to say it. Man,

1043
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 19: it's it's it's a bad look. And not not everybody,

1044
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 19: but it's just a bad look. It really is.

1045
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 5: I mean, to this day, to think that's still the

1046
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously we can see what the world is

1047
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 5: going through, but to see that kind of thinking, in

1048
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 5: that thought in in twenty twenty and beyond is insane.

1049
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 19: Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you this, U,

1050
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 19: I can ask the question. Yes, okay, y'all health, health care, yes, life, life,

1051
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 19: life and family to kids, five caps our kids. Y'all

1052
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 19: got a good pension and everything. Okay, let me just

1053
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 19: give you an example. Let me give an example for football. Okay.

1054
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 19: Deacon Jones. Deacon Jones passed me about ten years ago

1055
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 19: something like that. So I went to see d wait

1056
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 19: before he was in the hospital for it was sick.

1057
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 19: And if me and him talk, you said, what's your pension?

1058
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 19: I said, Man, I don't know. I say, you can

1059
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 19: probably be what fifteen hundred a month? He said, you

1060
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 19: know what I get, Eric, I played fifteen years. I

1061
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 19: get two hundred fifty dollars a month. That's what I get,

1062
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 19: two hundred fifty fund dollars. I take it so they

1063
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 19: can have it. We have no health care like players

1064
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 19: like me. I pay for my own health care. You

1065
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 19: have to lead you pay for your own healthcare. Now

1066
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 19: the players have healthcare five years, that's it.

1067
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 1: And while they're in the league of post career.

1068
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 19: Post career like say, say you retired thirty, you got

1069
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 19: this shift for five years.

1070
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: That's it. And this your shoe is not your family

1071
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: or nobody else.

1072
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 19: No, how many years you got to play to good pinsion,

1073
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 19: you got to play four years and three games?

1074
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: What is our five? Yeah?

1075
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 19: But the pincher now it's better. It's better for the

1076
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 19: players now. But it's horrible. When I say horrible for us,

1077
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 19: oh man, it's it's seven hundred dollars. Eight guys who

1078
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 19: played like fourteen years right now and played in my

1079
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 19: air like the nineties, eighties and nineties, you know, a

1080
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 19: thousand dollars a month. Chris Paon Coyrie did a great job. Y.

1081
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 19: They went back and did it with all the older guys.

1082
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 19: That's still alive. But they did it for the older guys.

1083
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 19: They all getting on the same insurance. We got all

1084
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 19: get the older guys getting in now. Man, they switched

1085
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 19: it up because PAWND is really really sad they're all getting.

1086
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: Then say this here, and I'm.

1087
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 19: Not trying to, you know, make it you know bad

1088
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 19: like talk about the NFL like it. It's some good

1089
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 19: things they've done, some bad things they've done. I did

1090
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 19: an interview with the white with this white reporter and

1091
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 19: he says, Eric, you said you probably know I'm white, said,

1092
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 19: I can tell you white. Yeah, I'm talking on the

1093
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 19: phone with him. He said, let me tell you this,

1094
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 19: didn't tell it. I'm gonna tell you what that not

1095
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 19: what I what. I don't know what i've heard and

1096
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 19: what I know as a reporter. I said, okay. He said,

1097
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 19: what's the NFL eighty percent black? I say a seven

1098
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 19: eighty percent black. He said, now let me say this.

1099
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 19: I said, okay. He said, if the NFL was eighty

1100
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 19: percent of white, y'all have great insurance. I would have

1101
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 19: great healthcare.

1102
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I know that, no secret.

1103
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 19: That's just sad to say that. And he said he

1104
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 19: said and that's what he said. He said, isn't that's

1105
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 19: sad I have to say it like that. I said, yeah,

1106
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 19: but it's sad to say it.

1107
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: It's the truth.

1108
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 5: I got a question in your time, was it more

1109
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 5: the league or was it more of the good old

1110
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 5: boys club of the owners.

1111
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: It's still a good old boys club. Man.

1112
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 19: They didn't have no black owners. They're not having no

1113
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 19: no no. Like I think Magic owns. They're not having

1114
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 19: you no black owned. Yeah, they're not having it. I

1115
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 19: got it. I think a couple of you guys on

1116
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 19: football team. Another guy that was trying to buy a

1117
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 19: football team, and he was talking about I said, let

1118
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 19: me tell you something. I said, you want to me.

1119
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 19: I said, don't go in there and say you're trying

1120
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 19: to help the play us. He said, I said that.

1121
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 19: I said, you screwed up. He said I could tell.

1122
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 19: He said, I could tell, I screwed I said, you

1123
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 19: don't say that you're trying to have to play us.

1124
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 19: It's not about the players. It's about the money they

1125
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 19: can make. That's insane.

1126
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 10: They'll give a couple of athletes and rappers like a

1127
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 10: little percentage of the teams.

1128
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can point take pictures zero zero yeah, zero

1129
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: zero one no full ownership what nah A good thing

1130
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: to me.

1131
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 5: And I don't wish that I know one of that

1132
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 5: good old boys your generation.

1133
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: Those guys are so passing.

1134
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 19: On yep, but it's still going. But they passed their

1135
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 19: kids really good that mentality, don't least it's still it's

1136
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 19: still a good old boys.

1137
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 5: We have none other then our brother to yo onto

1138
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 5: the show. This stephen a situation has kind of been

1139
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 5: ruined of late.

1140
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: I saw that you got brower right.

1141
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 5: I saw there was an initial situation happened back with

1142
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 5: during the Kaepernick thing, and you guys got.

1143
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: Into it and in the world saw that.

1144
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 5: I don't know how it kind of recirculated, but it

1145
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 5: has Steven Asmith one on his podcast and kind of

1146
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 5: said his reasoning and his piece behind it. You're here

1147
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 5: now and and and we want to give you the

1148
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 5: floor to us say your piece. Before you say your piece,

1149
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 5: you know, we got love for both of y'all.

1150
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: Show. I want to know, is there any any light

1151
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel.

1152
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 2: No, I don't I don't think because he's used his

1153
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 2: platform really kind of to really tarnish Just tell you

1154
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: a character, you know, what I mean, who I am

1155
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: as a person, you know, I mean, So regardless of

1156
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 2: however he started his monologue and his thing with his

1157
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 2: his podcast trying to build me up to break me down,

1158
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: we all see through that, you know, I mean, and

1159
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: all the people he's talking about that has reached out

1160
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: to them just that and the other from gms to

1161
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: players and coaches. Who gives a who gives it? To

1162
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: be quite honest, because I've had I've had people you

1163
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: know that have reached out to me, players as well,

1164
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: you know, and some of the people that he thinks

1165
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: are cool with him, they're not cool with him. So

1166
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: before I go on my diatribe, Steve may can't be

1167
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: a solitical because I'm here with these guys, but I

1168
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: will address some of those things.

1169
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: Where George bro talk us so.

1170
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 5: So so the initial situation, to backtrack, the initial situation

1171
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 5: was during the Kapernick situation where he was trying to

1172
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 5: come back. Uh, there was an incident where you m

1173
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 5: and Max were talking and you said Max acts a

1174
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 5: little blacker than you whatever, and that kind of got

1175
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 5: the thing going. So what happened, So from what.

1176
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: Happened, uh, and even at the clip like again, you

1177
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: said a resurface. It researched resurface because I guess. He

1178
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: did an interview with Joe Budden and he explained why

1179
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: he didn't like Max or he didn't like working with Max,

1180
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: and so obviously Max end up getting fire blah blah

1181
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 2: blah blah. So fans took to that interview and they

1182
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: brought up, okay, well this is why Too said what

1183
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: he said. So I kept getting tagged on the video

1184
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: and my phone was like, yo, what's going on. So

1185
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: I saw the comments of what have you and I

1186
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: just I haven't backed down from anything. I just said

1187
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: facts and just left it at that. He took offence

1188
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: to that. Then he went on his podcast and said

1189
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: that I posted it, which I didn't, And even in

1190
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: my response to that, and I'm like genius, I retweeted it.

1191
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: I didn't actually post it. I didn't go out of

1192
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: my way to go bring everything up. It was only

1193
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: a response to that interview that he did with Joe

1194
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: Budden about Max that all the fans you know, brought

1195
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: it up. So he took offense you know, to that,

1196
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: and so that's where all all resurfaced.

1197
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 5: Now he I got a chance to see what he said.

1198
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 5: I went back in Washington. He said something about a

1199
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 5: lawsuit at ESPN or something.

1200
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: Right, so right, so right, So I guess what there

1201
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: was something going on. I guess we were talking about

1202
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: the Kaepernick situation, and somehow there was a text exchange

1203
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: between me and him and stephen A and he on

1204
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: air he mentioned something about the text, which I didn't

1205
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: give him consent to do.

1206
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: I had you, but that's that's one rule.

1207
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 10: Somebody takes you, or any type of conversation takes you,

1208
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 10: do not share it on social media.

1209
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 2: None of that, bro, You especial don't know exactly. So

1210
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: I didn't take the honest I didn't go out of

1211
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: my way to go file a lawsuit. I had an

1212
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: attorney to reach out to me, like, YO, that's not right.

1213
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: It's copyright infringe with something along those lines.

1214
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 5: Oh so someone just reached an attorney came and found

1215
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 5: you about it, and he said that he want to pursue.

1216
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: This is what happens. Like he can't do that. So

1217
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: it wasn't really him. It was I looked at ESPN.

1218
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: ESPN has dogged me over the years, mischaracterized me, having

1219
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: people having misunderstandings about who I am. You know, whether

1220
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: whether you know as far as my characters is concerned,

1221
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: everybody's talking about I'm arrogant, I'm selfish. Of course, I've

1222
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: had disagreements with some players, some coaches, but who hasn't.

1223
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: Right now the question, I do not to cut you off.

1224
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't because I don't want want you to finish.

1225
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 5: I do remember he was one of the back so

1226
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 5: before all the hit you guys were cool then because

1227
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 5: I remember he used to stand up for you a lot.

1228
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 5: That was the one thing he used to do back

1229
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 5: in the day before I.

1230
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: Think everybody realized stephen A was cool with a lot

1231
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: of things back in the day. But as time has

1232
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: or passed, a lot of people have a different opinion

1233
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: about who stephen was then and who he is now.

1234
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm one of those people. So regardless of that, me

1235
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 2: and steven A, we ain't buddy buddy, you know what

1236
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: I mean. Whether he talks good or bad about me

1237
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,959
Speaker 2: on his show, whether it's objective or subjective, that's his job.

1238
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't.

1239
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: I didn't know stephen A prior to me. I guess

1240
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: our initial meeting. I guarantee he knew about me because

1241
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 2: of my plate before I knew about him. So we're

1242
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 2: not We're not buddy buddy at the end of the day.

1243
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: And so again back to my point, they're trying to

1244
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: reached out. He said, this is what this is what

1245
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: we're want to do. He went after, Yes, he submitted

1246
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 2: the file or the claim to ESPN, and that's how

1247
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 2: how things started. But for me, for him to say

1248
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: any mood or insinuate that it's a money grab or

1249
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: something like that, that's that's that's that's that's not cool,

1250
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 2: you know, mean to insinuate, oh, I'm broke this and

1251
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: nothing the other, because these are these are certain things.

1252
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: Like I said that, I it is personal, you know what

1253
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: I mean. It's no, it's no secret I had. I

1254
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: was represented by Drew and Jason Rosenhouse. They referred me

1255
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: to Pro Sports Financial, who was managed, who's a financial

1256
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: advisor in Jeff Rubin. It's public knowledge, bro I got

1257
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: taking advantage of They stole a lot of my money.

1258
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: Anybody knows me. I didn't just go blow my money,

1259
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So yet, do I have

1260
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 2: the means that I had back then? Absolutely not. But

1261
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: for him to go on TV and in sinuate certain

1262
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 2: these things that I did X y Z and I'm desperate.

1263
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 2: That's not cool, bro, I'm not I'm not.

1264
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm not.

1265
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: Gonna let that slide. So at the end of the day,

1266
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: and I told him, I called him. I told him,

1267
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: was Yo, keep that same energy. You're gonna call me

1268
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: a sorry ass and I'm pathetic things of that. Now,

1269
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: I'm trifling when if I ever come across and keep

1270
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 2: that same energy, it's not a threat. But you're not

1271
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: gonna use that platform to downgrade me as a person

1272
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: in what I've accomplished for your benefit because you have

1273
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: a platform to do that and then talk about and

1274
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: bring up all these these these top named people or

1275
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: high qualified I guess in his his name to doman me,

1276
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: you mentioned the Donaryannas of Brian Dawkins, the Primes.

1277
01:02:58,760 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

1278
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 2: Uh, Shannon Sharp, you know talking about gms and players too.

1279
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 6: Don't go after him like that.

1280
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: What have I ever done?

1281
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 3: Then?

1282
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: Holding up papers in his podcast like he got something,

1283
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 2: like he got something on me and he's gonna expose me, expose.

1284
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 14: Me for what?

1285
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 6: I urge him?

1286
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: Do I give him permission to expose me? Because I've

1287
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: never done anything. You don't have anything on me. You

1288
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: got the world looking at me crazy like you got

1289
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 2: something on me. So if you do, please let it

1290
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: be known.

1291
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 5: The one thing I will say about athletes that we

1292
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 5: don't really have too many skeletons like is front. All

1293
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 5: of our is front and centers. So I get what

1294
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 5: you're saying with that. So I mean, is there anything

1295
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 5: else you kind of want to Like I said, I

1296
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 5: want to make sure you get that out or anything

1297
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 5: else off your chest when it comes to that.

1298
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: No, I mean again, I just I appreciate the platform because,

1299
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: like I said, he had the opportunity to sit in

1300
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: front of his in front of his audience, his millions

1301
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: and subscribers, you know, like you said, he's soliloquy to

1302
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: share his thoughts with all the heroes or whatever the

1303
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: case be. But for me, I wanted to share that

1304
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: with everybody to give them some context as to what

1305
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: he's saying is not accurate, it's not totally true. For

1306
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: him to try to build me up and then bash

1307
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: me and and and attack my character, that's that's not

1308
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: gonna fly with me. I want the same platform, like

1309
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: I said, to sit down and really share my story

1310
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: and let everybody know, like, yo, he's not who we

1311
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: think he is. And Steven A, he's walking around like

1312
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: just because ESPN has pattered in his pockets with some millions,

1313
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: he's walking around like he's up, like he's an athlete,

1314
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: like he got that kind of cachet. And then, like

1315
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: I said, mentioning guys that obviously I think highly of

1316
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: talking about Dion and Shannon and these guys I come

1317
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: across with, you know, on a regular you know what

1318
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: I mean. That's not cool to be name dropping, you

1319
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Because now I'm around these guys

1320
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,439
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, well, how do they really feel

1321
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: about me?

1322
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

1323
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 2: How do they think about me? You know what I mean.

1324
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 2: So that's that's that's where I am with it, you

1325
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So, as he said in this podcast,

1326
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 2: we don't ever have to speak again, never ever. But

1327
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: make no mistake about it. I don't try to be

1328
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: no badass, no nothing, bro.

1329
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 6: Anybody know me.

1330
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 2: I'm easy going, I'm cool. I've kept my nose clean

1331
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: because I was raised the right way, bro. Right, But

1332
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 2: you're not finna sit up here and try to bash me.

1333
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 2: I attack my character in front of millions and sit

1334
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 2: on ESPN with your compadres or what have you and

1335
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 2: act like you dad and you this and that and

1336
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: the other. That's not gonna fly with me. But like

1337
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: I told him, keep that same energy. And I'm like saying,

1338
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 2: I'm not condoning nobody, but you're not gonna disrespect me,

1339
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Because when it comes to

1340
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 2: the player that ain't got that has nothing to do

1341
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 2: with that, that has nothing to do with this, And

1342
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, it's me for me, like

1343
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,919
Speaker 2: I said, it's personal. So at this point, like I said,

1344
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: at this point in time, that's that's how I am.

1345
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 2: That's where I am with you anytime as a man, though,

1346
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 2: anytime as a man you feel disrespected as far as

1347
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: your character or your integrity, you should feel a certain

1348
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: type of work.

1349
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Any man should and you

1350
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: should respond unless.

1351
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 10: You're not a man, you know what I'm saying, and

1352
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 10: and unless you don't stand on wars or respect.

1353
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1354
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 10: And I'm and for me personally, any any time something

1355
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 10: that's talked about in private and it shared public, it's

1356
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 10: gonna cause a problem, right, like we like Mats said, especially,

1357
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 10: it's not an understanding before that, you know what I'm saying, So, uh,

1358
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 10: A lot a lot of things that's that from my

1359
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 10: premiere in the way it happened, I feel like it

1360
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 10: could be a conversation between y'all because with the media

1361
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 10: knowing this and all this stuff being out, it's a

1362
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,919
Speaker 10: lot of stuff that been said that ain't true too,

1363
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 10: you know what I'm saying, And it's lives that it's

1364
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 10: been insinuated, right, you know what I'm saying. Because everybody's

1365
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 10: on the outside looking in read So that's why I

1366
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 10: feel y'all said down. You know what I'm saying, y'all

1367
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 10: might have to get an in box for a minute,

1368
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 10: so what or we could just bring some weed too,

1369
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 10: you know what I'm saying. If y'all got a box

1370
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 10: from man they talk about that's how we stood in

1371
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 10: the hood. We got disagreements with, scrap it out. You

1372
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 10: know what I'm saying, that we go back to the

1373
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 10: store by kid together.

1374
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1375
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: That's that's how we grew up as men. It's gonna

1376
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: be different.

1377
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 10: I get that, you know what I'm saying, But for me, personally,

1378
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 10: I feel like with all the other shit around it

1379
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,919
Speaker 10: to being out in social media, that's making it harder

1380
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 10: for y'all to get to understand this my person.

1381
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: But to your point, and like I said, to add

1382
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: some clarity to things, like I said, and some things

1383
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: are misleading, as if he and I and I went

1384
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: back and somebody sent me a clip of some of

1385
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: the things that he said, and he's like, Oh, he's

1386
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: not a liar. He's not this, he's not that. And again,

1387
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 2: the thing is the insinuation that you know, I'm doing

1388
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: stuff for money. You know, like I told you, I

1389
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 2: don't have the same amount of money because I got taken.

1390
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 2: There ain't nobody business too. But but he that's what

1391
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: I'm saying, he made it everybody business.

1392
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 20: Now.

1393
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 2: He got people looking at me sideways. And then even

1394
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 2: with the lawsuit thing, I showed you guys, he admittedly

1395
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: in the text from my from our textas change, He's like, oh,

1396
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm mistaken your your text for a tweet. Yeah, that's

1397
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: what the attorney was referring to. He admitted that I

1398
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: showed you guys that that's in our text conversation. I

1399
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 2: ain't got no reason to lie about nothing and I

1400
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 2: ain't got nothing to hide. So for him to come

1401
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 2: out initially when he saw the whole facts thing in

1402
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 2: response to that, somebody he gonna expose me, expose me

1403
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 2: for what I urge you to expose me. But at

1404
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 2: this end of the day, like I said, he feels

1405
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 2: the way he feels. I feel the way I feel.

1406
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 2: Like I told you, we're not Betty. But I don't

1407
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: never have to talk to Steven that again in it

1408
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 2: in my entire life. He can sit on ESPN do

1409
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 2: what it use all the big words he wants to

1410
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 2: to impress everybody. That doesn't impress me now. Like I said,

1411
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 2: he's used that platform to tear some black athletes down,

1412
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 2: and even I'm included that you try to build him up,

1413
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 2: tear down with your words, this and that and the other.

1414
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 2: You're monologue, bro, I don't I can see past all

1415
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 2: of that. But you're not finna just do it to me.

1416
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:45,839
Speaker 2: A lot of guys are not gonna.

1417
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: Say anything now. I feel, I feel you.

1418
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 10: I mean shit, he still I just the way he

1419
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 10: talked about me with the bawse, So my boy, I

1420
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 10: ain't ever brought it up to him, but he dogged me.

1421
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: I didn't let it go because I'm live still but but.

1422
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: Doing right but again right, but those things like you

1423
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: said him, yeah what he done right? But like I said,

1424
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: you know, I said, I can look at this camera

1425
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 2: just like he looks into the camera and talk to America.

1426
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: And when I tell you, when I'm serious about that,

1427
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 2: keep the steam and keep that same energy, my guy,

1428
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 2: keep that same energy and I put that on Alazon Black,

1429
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 2: my dude, keep that same energy that you did with

1430
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: your podcast. Keep to keep it the same. That's all

1431
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 2: I gotta say.

1432
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 5: I think before it move one, Jack, I want to

1433
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 5: come in both of us because we both tried to

1434
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 5: try to try to go to peaceful right here and.

1435
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 2: I just can't believe it and that ship for us

1436
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 2: to do it, it don't work. It's just crouds. Yeah,

1437
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: it's just it's smoke.

1438
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 4: Welcome to the show, Pat McAfee.

1439
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 5: You spoke the name and called out someone a suit

1440
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 5: that you felt like was kind of yeah for real, Yeah,

1441
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 5: I mean the curR to do that, and you got

1442
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 5: a lot of you already had respect, but even more

1443
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 5: respect for doing that. Has there been any backlash, any conversation,

1444
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 5: like because like you said, there is a give and

1445
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 5: take and as given and a tug between what people

1446
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 5: hung their hats on for years and made a lot

1447
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 5: of money and what is coming and what what it's

1448
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 5: going to be.

1449
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 7: I don't know, I don't know if there was any

1450
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 7: conversations that happened behind uh obviously, So you know, like

1451
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 7: I thought that was a warning shot to that guy.

1452
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 7: You know, I didn't even think that was direct. Yeah,

1453
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 7: because I'm the I'm the executive producer of my show.

1454
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 7: I report directly to Jimmy and Bob, So I'm not

1455
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 7: really viewing anybody as like I saw everybody, Like Pat

1456
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 7: calls out his boss, I'm gonna motherfucking boss.

1457
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 1: What do we know?

1458
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 7: Like what do we jim p we talk to Jimmy,

1459
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 7: Pataro or Bob Iger, Like is that who we're talking about?

1460
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 7: Because those are people that could technically be described as

1461
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 7: my boss, and like Burke Magnus as well, and I

1462
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 7: have a great relationship with him. But I think even

1463
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 7: Burke would say like yeah, like we have a good relate,

1464
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 7: like we were talking like this as opposed to like this,

1465
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 7: And so that was just a warning shop to I

1466
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 7: thought a person that was you know, at the same,

1467
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 7: which is hilarious because he's the former president of the place.

1468
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 7: I guess a lot of people, we had a lot

1469
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 7: of fear of them. I did not like, I do

1470
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 7: not have I that guy. That guy left me sitting

1471
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 7: in his office for forty five minutes. No showed me

1472
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 7: when I was supposed to have a meeting with him,

1473
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 7: right when five years ago, six years ago, whatever show?

1474
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 7: No showed Yeah, wow, yeah, so you remember that, what's that?

1475
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 7: And you remember that it's things a fucking elephant.

1476
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: Brand, buddy?

1477
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I am Yeah, I got everybody's yeah. He

1478
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 7: Also he also banned all my friends from coming on

1479
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 7: my show, so there was h There was a ban

1480
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 7: of ESPN talent on my show on YouTube that came

1481
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 7: directly from him, which so much show that I started

1482
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 7: hashtag ESPN stinks the day and everybody got banned from

1483
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 7: my show, you know, only trended for like eight nine

1484
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 7: hours or something like that. And then that's the next

1485
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 7: day is when I met Jimmy Patarro. Jimmy Patarro called

1486
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 7: me and said like, hey, how do we you know,

1487
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 7: what's the deal? And I told him about you guys

1488
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 7: are banning my friends from coming on my show, Matt

1489
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 7: Hasselback who worked at ESPN, Jeff Pass and worked at ESPN.

1490
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 7: Dan Orlovski worked at ESPN. All these people that I've

1491
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 7: known since before they got into ESPN. Like they're not

1492
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 7: even allowed to come on my podcast or whatever or

1493
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 7: my YouTube show. You guys banned it. So like that

1494
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 7: guy was not a fan of me or our operation

1495
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 7: for a long time. So then whenever ESPN signs us

1496
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 7: and he runs sports Center and our show is now

1497
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 7: in place of Sports Center at noon. I'm a fan

1498
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 7: of Sports Center. We all watched Sports Center.

1499
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: I grew up on.

1500
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 7: But there became like a war almost from behind scenes

1501
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 7: from like Sports Center people and like people that have

1502
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 7: been in ESPN a long time against US coming in

1503
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 7: and taking their jobs and all this other shit. And

1504
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 7: I didn't see it like that. We were like pumped

1505
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 7: that we made it to the big leagues. Like, hey,

1506
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 7: I'm pumped we're on the Worldwide Leap. Like that's how

1507
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 7: I viewed it. And this is what I'm talking about,

1508
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 7: playing a checkers player, Like get the ESPN deal done.

1509
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 7: I'm like, this is awesome, Like we joined the ESPN team,

1510
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 7: so lucky to be here. We get access and then

1511
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,759
Speaker 7: immediately it's like, this guy sucks. This guy's ruining ESPN,

1512
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 7: and it's not coming for people outside of ESPN. It

1513
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 7: was coming from people within ESPN. And I did not

1514
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 7: expect that at all. So I immediately like, okay, I'm

1515
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 7: in war, Like that's what if. That's what we're doing.

1516
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: We're in war.

1517
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 7: And then once you start learning about how shit's going

1518
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 7: behind scenes, things that are being said to people, things

1519
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 7: that are being leaked, the timing in which they're being leaked,

1520
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 7: it's like, oh, they're trying to kill me. Like they're

1521
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 7: trying to They're trying to make our show impossible to

1522
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 7: advertise with, They're trying to make sure people don't watch

1523
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 7: our show. So like, as I started learning that, I'm like,

1524
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 7: all right, well that's not gonna I don't know how

1525
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 7: this has gone in the past with other people, but yeah,

1526
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,839
Speaker 7: this particular white trash kid from Pittsburgh, like, hey, suits,

1527
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 7: this ain't this is not how this is gonna go.

1528
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 7: So that was just a warning shot I didn't that

1529
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 7: wasn't even like supposed.

1530
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 15: To be uh.

1531
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 7: And then obviously it goes big and I heard from

1532
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 7: this is no lie no less than like forty people

1533
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 7: that have worked at ESPN or used to work at ESPN,

1534
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 7: and they were like, thank you for saying what you said.

1535
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 7: And I was like, well, if I really crafted a

1536
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 7: statement about that, I mean, I could have said something

1537
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 7: much better. But I also did not appreciate the thing

1538
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 7: I didn't think about once again, Checkers player. I did

1539
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 7: not expect the backlash afterwards. Like Burke Magnus just became

1540
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 7: the president of Content at ESPN. I think he has

1541
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 7: a great vision for what the future of sports media

1542
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 7: should look like. He was a big part of us

1543
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 7: joining ESPN. People were attacking Burke because it made him

1544
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 7: look sloppy, because it's inside the building. People are attacking

1545
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 7: Jimmy because it looked sloppy. And that was something that

1546
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 7: I did not think about. I was very apologetic about,

1547
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 7: like I didn't mean to take down my allies or

1548
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 7: make allies look bad in the whole thing. But I

1549
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 7: genuinely did not expect it to get as big as

1550
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,560
Speaker 7: it did, because I didn't think I said anything that

1551
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 7: was like that.

1552
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 6: Crazy, you know, or.

1553
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 7: Like I'm a pretty good talker, you know, I'm a

1554
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 7: pretty good promo cutter. Like if I really wanted to

1555
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 7: saw motherfucker down, Like I thought I could have done

1556
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 7: it in a much bigger way, and I did not,

1557
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 7: So I was actually pretty proud of myself. I was like,

1558
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 7: look at me, I'm an adult. And then it got loud.

1559
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 7: I'm an I'm an adult, and it got real loud,

1560
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 7: got real loud. But yeah, that'll be me forever, and

1561
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 7: it'll be a gift in the curse.

1562
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: We appreciate and respect it. Welcome to the show, Dwight Howard.

1563
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 12: We just to have a chance to really build it,

1564
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 12: build it like we wanted to, you know what I'm saying.

1565
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 12: And it wasn't meant to happen, you know, looking back

1566
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 12: on and I wish it happened, but it wasn't meant

1567
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 12: to happen.

1568
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 5: To the relationship with him. I got a chance to

1569
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 5: play with him and know his mindset and know how

1570
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 5: he moved. But then got a chance to play with

1571
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 5: you and know how you're serious but you could smile

1572
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 5: and laugh and he's not like.

1573
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: That at all.

1574
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, talk to us about that and and was

1575
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 5: there it ever an understanding or what was it like

1576
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 5: working with him because you only got a year with him.

1577
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 12: I don't think it was the understanding that we could

1578
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 12: have that we could yeah, with time because there was

1579
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 12: so many expectations. And I'm going through my own ship

1580
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 12: with trying to recover from this back surgery and then

1581
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 12: tearing my labor room, and it's like, man, how do

1582
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 12: I deal with somebody that I grew up watching as

1583
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 12: a child. But now we teammates. We just played each

1584
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 12: other in the finals, right literally, so like we rated

1585
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 12: this rivalry like I want to beat his ass, but

1586
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 12: now we teammates. So it was like, shit, I can't

1587
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 12: do that no more. H But it's Kobe Bryant. You

1588
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 12: know what I'm saying. He don't don't I want to

1589
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 12: get his ass back?

1590
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 1: Don't you tough? Bro?

1591
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 4: Ship, I forgot about that.

1592
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 3: You really had to do all that?

1593
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that was that was That was for real.

1594
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: That was one of the one.

1595
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 4: But for real, you didn't got other people, but for real,

1596
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 4: that was one of the ones.

1597
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: Like the whole time he was over here, laid back.

1598
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, oh he talked on you and Ship, that.

1599
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: Was that was one of the one.

1600
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 5: You didn't pay people back one hundred times worse, but

1601
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 5: that was one of the ones we did.

1602
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 12: I see it now out of my ass. But I

1603
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 12: was young, and really I was. What happened was I

1604
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 12: didn't think he was gonna dunk because I ain't know

1605
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 12: he was. I ain't know the rookie year of second

1606
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 12: it was my rookie year, so I thought he was

1607
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 12: finna come over and do like a pull up on

1608
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 12: the last I was that was eight.

1609
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: Kobe, Yeah, so you he was dunking everything. I didn't

1610
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: know until he found out he was dunking everything.

1611
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 12: He split. It was Pat Garrett and Deshaun Stevens. He

1612
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 12: split the pick and roll and I jump over, come

1613
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 12: through like that like I was gone. I don't know

1614
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 12: what the funk I was thinking. And so then I

1615
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 12: closed my eyes too, and all I heard was booming.

1616
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,759
Speaker 8: Oh, I said, oh.

1617
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 12: So then uh, Brian Grant Uh, he said, welcome to

1618
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 12: the league, young fella.

1619
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 1: I said, oh shit, Kobe got me.

1620
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 12: And then right after that, my homeboy, it was my birthday,

1621
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,600
Speaker 12: so he made a cake with Kobe dunking on me.

1622
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 12: That's everywhere I was at. I got seeing the picture

1623
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 12: of Kobe dunking on me, and it was like me

1624
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 12: and Kobe always there's some bullshit. We always been connected.

1625
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 12: Every picture out of seat. I'm in the background, like,

1626
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 12: fuck you, Kobe dunking the ass Now I'm in all

1627
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 12: your pictures in the back like but yeah, man, rest

1628
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 12: of peace.

1629
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: Man.

1630
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 12: We had some great times man, even on his teammates.

1631
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 5: This was about some of the cool times because it

1632
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 5: wasn't always He's not like that, and you know, it

1633
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 5: was definite.

1634
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 4: I know that I wasn't there, but I know you

1635
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 4: guys have some good times.

1636
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 12: I used just always mess with him how before the

1637
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 12: game when they introduced to him, how he would try

1638
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 12: to chew gum but it was no gum in his mouth,

1639
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 12: but he was acting like he had gone like how

1640
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 12: Michael Jordan would come out. So I'm like, yo, are

1641
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 12: you trying to act like Jordan? No question, no gum

1642
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 12: in his mouth, and he's just sitting on the bench.

1643
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: Dwight, You're ready to play? Yeah, yeah, yeah tonight.

1644
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 12: You know, like Dad, this kbe is crazy. But then

1645
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 12: off the court, we had some times together in Vegas

1646
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 12: where you know, we had some parties and were just

1647
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 12: chilling and it's just you see COVID at a different light,

1648
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 12: you know what I'm saying, And we just talking and

1649
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 12: kicking the shit, you know, and I remember going to

1650
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 12: his house one time and he liked, uh, that movie

1651
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 12: pitch Perfect, and so I'm like, he's like, yo, you.

1652
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 1: Seen that movie pitch Perfect.

1653
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 12: And I'm like, yeah, I like that movie.

1654
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: He like, yeah, I like it too. I'm like, get

1655
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: the fuck out of here.

1656
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 12: You like no pitch Perfect.

1657
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, ain't no way.

1658
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 8: I'm thinking you watch all crazy ass type movies killing people.

1659
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: But you like pitch Perfect.

1660
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 12: Y'all just watching that shit last night, bro, It's one

1661
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 12: of my favorite movies.

1662
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: Just become best friend? Did we just become best friends?

1663
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 12: It was crazy, like, you know, just as a kid

1664
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 12: watching Kobe play and then coming out of high school,

1665
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 12: Kobe dunking on you. Then you're in the Olympics with Kobe,

1666
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 12: and then you on Kobe's team, and then y'all arguing.

1667
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: With each other.

1668
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 12: All that is still even a dream. Just like I

1669
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 12: don't care what people say, like me and Kobe connected,

1670
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 12: I got hello. I look back at all the pitches

1671
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 12: I got to him and just me and him together,

1672
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 12: just talking, all the shit that done happened between me

1673
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 12: and him, like the personal stories that I ain't gonna

1674
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 12: say old camera, Like all that is like I can

1675
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 12: see that. So when people saying, oh, Kobe ain't fuck

1676
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 12: with you or this happened, I just laughed, like, you know,

1677
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 12: people don't really know. And then we played together. We

1678
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 12: didn't work out, but that happens.

1679
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1680
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 12: It wasn't meant for us to win together like that,

1681
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 12: but I get I got a chance to see him

1682
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 12: in so many it's like different eras of Kobe, like

1683
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,799
Speaker 12: my high school era playing against seeing him play, watching

1684
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 12: him in the Olympics together, playing against him on the

1685
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 12: same team, and then watching him be a dad and

1686
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 12: training all the different women, canvas park and all that,

1687
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 12: so you know, just seeing all that and then when

1688
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 12: he passed man, it really it really broke me down,

1689
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 12: Like you know, I'll never forget how it all happened.

1690
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 12: We just played in Philly the night before Brown had

1691
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 12: broke his record, some to scoring record or whatever. So

1692
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 12: I remember just sitting down thinking about, you know, Kobe

1693
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 12: scoring all them points, and then and then Lebrun coming

1694
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 12: up and scoring all these points, and I was like,

1695
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 12: you know what, it's always good to tell people why

1696
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 12: they're alive, you know, how you appreciate them and stuff

1697
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 12: like that. So I sat up there on the bench,

1698
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 12: and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna tell Lebron, like,

1699
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 12: that's a great accomplishment all so, I'm proud of you.

1700
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: I've been playing against you since we was fifteen.

1701
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 12: So I went over there and told him that, went

1702
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 12: back to the room and we started talking about Kobe

1703
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 12: and how many points he scored and how he dunked

1704
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 12: on me and all this stuff. And then we get

1705
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 12: on the plane and we're flying back and my phone

1706
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 12: is blowing up and everybody's sleep. So I wake up

1707
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 12: and I look and said Kobe died. I'm like, get

1708
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 12: the fuck out of here. And so I'm looking around

1709
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 12: everybody knocked out, and I'm like, this can't be real.

1710
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 12: So I go on Instagram and I just see a

1711
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 12: whole bunch of messages Kobe died. And then I go

1712
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 12: wake up Boogie and I'm like, yo, look at this.

1713
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 12: He's like Yo, what the fuck? So I wake up

1714
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 12: ad and Lebron. I started waking like, yo, bro, Kobe died,

1715
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 12: and so I'm like, Yo, this can't be for real.

1716
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 1: Go to the back.

1717
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 12: Everybody else start waking him up, just start crying. I

1718
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 12: go to the bathroom and I just start crying for

1719
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 12: like twenty minutes in the bathroom. I can't believe it.

1720
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 12: And I started thinking about his daughters, like, damn, I ain't.

1721
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: Gonna have no father.

1722
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 12: Then one of his daughters died. I just kept thinking

1723
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 12: about that, and then we got off the plane, and shit,

1724
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 12: it was just so hard after that to even just

1725
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,799
Speaker 12: fathom the whole situation. Then this man was my teammate,

1726
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 12: you know what I'm saying, So it's different for a

1727
01:23:58,240 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 12: lot of people. Was like, man, we grew up watching

1728
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 12: this person, but I hadn't actually been on a plane

1729
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 12: with this man. You know what I'm saying. We don't

1730
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 12: practice together. We kick the ship with each other, themn

1731
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 12: they're about to go, blows with each other, you know

1732
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 12: what I'm saying. So now it's like you find out

1733
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 12: this person ain't there no more.

1734
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it was.

1735
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 5: It was really really kind of piggybacking off that you

1736
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 5: were one of the rare people that got a chance

1737
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,799
Speaker 5: to play with Kobe. Play gets him in the finals,

1738
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 5: play with them, play with Lebron, win with Lebron. Not

1739
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 5: to compare them to but are there any what are

1740
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 5: some of the similarities or contract Like.

1741
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 8: I just think they're two different. They're two it's two different,

1742
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 8: They're two different people, you know what I'm saying.

1743
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 12: Kobe's I always felt like Kobe was like Batman, you

1744
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 12: know what I'm saying, Like he just this by himself,

1745
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 12: dark Knight.

1746
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, he that's Kobe.

1747
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 8: And then you know, Lebron's like Captain America career real,

1748
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 8: that's that's like, that's like Lebron.

1749
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 12: So Lebron is always he wants everybody to be around,

1750
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 12: you know what I'm saying. He want to have fun,

1751
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,560
Speaker 12: He want to dance full of games and put on

1752
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 12: his music. And Kobe is just locked in. He don't

1753
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 12: say nothing. You know, he got the basketball and he

1754
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 12: dribbling the heavy ball before the whole the game. So

1755
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 12: as far as skills, I think I think Kobe like

1756
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 12: is the most skilled out of all the players as

1757
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 12: far as pure skill shooting, being able to what you know,

1758
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 12: it's not even close to me. Yeah, I'm just thinking

1759
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 12: about everything, just thinking about it, like he can do

1760
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 12: all that, like everything Jordan did. I felt like he

1761
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 12: just multiplied it. Yeah, like people mad at him for

1762
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 12: doing it, Like, man, why like you don't never try

1763
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 12: to break the wheel, you you see what works, and

1764
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 12: then you use that and make it work for you.

1765
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 12: So that's what Kobe did, and he did it with

1766
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 12: the best player ever. Like he did everything he did

1767
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 12: and made it better. And you know, even watching him practice,

1768
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,560
Speaker 12: like some things that he was doing, I was like,

1769
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 12: why is he doing it? Like one day I saw

1770
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 12: him getting his fingers stretched. I'm like, why is he

1771
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 12: getting his finger stretched? I just saw the lady doing

1772
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 12: this for a whole like hour, and I guess it

1773
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 12: was when he shot his jump shot so it be

1774
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 12: smooth every time and when he So it's just like

1775
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 12: little things like that, like where did he learn that from?

1776
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 12: It was just crazy to see. But then Lebron, he

1777
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 12: just got the whole package. He can pass, he can

1778
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 12: post up, he's big, He's like Magic Johnson on steroids.

1779
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 1: He should be the logo who Lebron?

1780
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 4: Oh all around?

1781
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 10: I don't think we've seen anybody logo better all around?

1782
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: He said, Lebron should be the logo. While I'm not all.

1783
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 10: If you're talking about basketball, people tell kids today, yeah,

1784
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 10: Michael Johann is the best. But if I had to

1785
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 10: tell you to look at one player, go look at

1786
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 10: Lebron James everybody's telling their kid that because he does

1787
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 10: everything right on and.

1788
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 1: Off the court, you can't miss with Lebron. So what

1789
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: about Steph. He's not six eight to sixty that can

1790
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:23,799
Speaker 1: do it all. That's broke all the records.

1791
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah he's not.

1792
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they both get to beat though, step can get

1793
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 1: the beat.

1794
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 12: Too, But Steph, I don't know. It's just that man,

1795
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 12: Steph Like, but a lot of kids he step changed

1796
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,679
Speaker 12: the game. Yeah, no question, generation, no question, step changed

1797
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 12: the game. Very few people did that. Yeah, so like, shoot,

1798
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 12: we have Lebron and stuff on it.

1799
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm just you know, I'm just like, for what

1800
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 10: what Steph is unbelievable, But the total aspect of a

1801
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 10: basketball player and what she's supposed to do as a

1802
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 10: basketball player, and how you're career career is supposed to

1803
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 10: look when you finished.

1804
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, Raj, bro that's that there.

1805
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 1: That's that there. That man, Yeah, that came. I ain't

1806
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 1: mad at that.

1807
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 5: You mentioned earlier, uh not wanting to go to the

1808
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 5: Lakers because of the Shack comparisons, and you already started

1809
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 5: in Orlando and he jumped the Lakers and you weren't

1810
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 5: trying to do that and ended up happening. You and

1811
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 5: him kind of had a friendly then I felt like

1812
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 5: he kind of did some personal and kind of took

1813
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 5: it a little bit more serious. And again, knowing you fun,

1814
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 5: energetic kind of person, where is that at? What did

1815
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 5: you think when you first started hearing like, damn, does

1816
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 5: Shack not like me?

1817
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: Or like? What? Thought it was crazy?

1818
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 8: And I was thinking you want to fight or something

1819
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 8: like because every time it was like something on TV

1820
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 8: and somebody say something, No, I don't think though. No

1821
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 8: the Lakers got five hall of him?

1822
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, only four, there's not one. Well,

1823
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 1: don't put them in there.

1824
01:28:59,000 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 20: No, don't do that.

1825
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 8: So I'm like, damn, like every time he said something

1826
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 8: about Dwhite And for.

1827
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 12: Me, like you know, I like to do voices. So

1828
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 12: I feel everybody for saying they mom, it don't matter

1829
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 12: who it is. It ain't me doing it because I'm

1830
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 12: I dislike you. It's just me trying to make everybody laugh.

1831
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 8: So if he took it that way, like he tripping,

1832
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 8: but like, I don't know why he was like that.

1833
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 8: I never had no issues with Shaq. I never wanted

1834
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 8: to be like Shaq, but I enjoy watching Shaq do

1835
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 8: what he do I think he's the most dominant player

1836
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 8: to ever played.

1837
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 3: Like there's no player.

1838
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,560
Speaker 12: It's dombinated as shack, you know what I'm saying, Like

1839
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 12: his niggas going crazy.

1840
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 8: I remember in eleventh grade watching him play against the

1841
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 8: kem Bamutumba in the finals, like catching it every time,

1842
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 8: elbow to the chest, turn around, dunk on him every time.

1843
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 8: I'm like, Yo, this is crazy, right.

1844
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 12: So I'm like, why is he hating on me? Like,

1845
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 12: if anything, he should be happy that somebody is trying

1846
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 12: to follow in their footsteps. You know, I remember this

1847
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 12: summer as a young kid who said they wanted to

1848
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 12: be just like me, and I took that as saying, like, man,

1849
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 12: thank you man. I appreciate you for one to be

1850
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 12: like me, but I want you to be greater. So

1851
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,759
Speaker 12: you know what, I'll train you. So I started training

1852
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 12: this kid this summer and everything. I'm just reminding him,

1853
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 12: he remember what you said, you want to be like

1854
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 12: Dwight Howard. Well, shit, I did more than this, but

1855
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 12: this is what it. This is what it takes. So

1856
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,560
Speaker 12: like I don't know why he had that against me.

1857
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 12: I reached out to try to work out with him,

1858
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 12: do business, whatever it may be because I ain't got

1859
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 12: no bad blood with Shack, but it just seemed like

1860
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 12: it's always something between me and him, and he always

1861
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 12: even now.

1862
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 8: The stuff I was just saying about the Hall of

1863
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:46,520
Speaker 8: Fame shit that happened.

1864
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 12: This season, I can't watch the Lakers. I bet he

1865
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 12: watched Lakers game this year because I ain't on a team.

1866
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 10: But you know what can't Nobody can't Nobody, Shack and

1867
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 10: nobody else in they right mind. If you know anything

1868
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 10: about basketball, it's not even a question if you're a

1869
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 10: Hall of.

1870
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 12: Fame I agree, But come on, like, why would it

1871
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 12: out of all people him like one here a center,

1872
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 12: and like, really, ain't that too many where they talk

1873
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 12: about all us anyway? So why put one of them down?

1874
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 12: You know what I'm saying, Like, my my life ain't

1875
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 12: gonna dimn your life.

1876
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 19: About me.

1877
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: I got my own lade.

1878
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, I ain't worrying about what

1879
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 8: you're doing in that aspect.

1880
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 12: And then now I felt like, because I'm not a

1881
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 12: person that get on TV and talk bad about other people,

1882
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 12: I felt like looking at him doing it is like

1883
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:42,719
Speaker 12: he not understanding. People got family and they got friends,

1884
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 12: and they got people that's watching, y'all. Watch what you

1885
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 12: say about certain certain people are certain things on TV

1886
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:53,799
Speaker 12: or whatever, because they got people watching. He got kids watching.

1887
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 12: You know what I'm saying, I got my kids watching.

1888
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 12: They don't need to have no issues with each other

1889
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 12: because they dads might seem like they hate each other,

1890
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 12: like for what, Like it's too much going on around

1891
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 12: the world for us to be hating about who the

1892
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 12: best basketball big man ever?

1893
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: Like mm hmm, it's just stupid to me.

1894
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 12: We can have barbecue, barbecue, talk about it, barb barbershop talk.

1895
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 12: But well, I guess we got to get into the

1896
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 12: little USC thing and fight it out. I don't want

1897
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 12: to see that. I'm just saying I ain't gonna do that.

1898
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 12: We'll look like what's the two fighters from back in

1899
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 12: the day They got died out three thousand, getting more

1900
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 12: slices than they got in their fault. They look like

1901
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 12: two big seals in their fighting. They couldn't even throw

1902
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 12: no they I'm so tired. That's what being shock a

1903
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 12: look like in there, come in the way.

1904
01:32:52,479 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: You know what I would rather it didn't fight.

1905
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 12: I would rather see y'all a comedy battle.

1906
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'd be funny. Yeah, I got jo.

1907
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 3: Oh my god, welcome to the showf this.

1908
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 1: Is your first year. It's my first year. So it's like.

1909
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 20: When he when he, when he came, I didn't know

1910
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 20: what I was a part of until I like when

1911
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 20: I got there to the gym to play pick up.

1912
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 20: That's how I seemed like, Okay, this ship magical and

1913
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 20: I'm a part.

1914
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: You've seen it right from the jump. Yeah, my first

1915
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: my first pickup game was.

1916
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 20: It was amazing, like not amazing, but like you know, scary,

1917
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 20: but you know, as far as in the arena, what

1918
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 20: y'all got, you know what I mean?

1919
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 1: Because KG.

1920
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 20: I was guarding KG at the time, and he like

1921
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 20: cussed me the funk out like I'm talking about really

1922
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 20: cuts me out. Like I shoot a shot, right, It's

1923
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 20: my first day and I make it and I'm like

1924
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 20: telling myself like get up, get it up. I'm talking

1925
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,600
Speaker 20: to myself. He's like the chazz nigga, who are you

1926
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 20: talking to? And I'm like, you know, im from beyond,

1927
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 20: so you know, I'm like okay, thinking to myself like okay,

1928
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:24,600
Speaker 20: I need to respond. It's like jail, like you know,

1929
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 20: cat letting nobody talk you like that.

1930
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: First day in jail. So I'm like, I'm just trying

1931
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 1: to get my swag, you know.

1932
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 20: I just said to him politely, though I don't say

1933
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 20: nothing like I'm trying to get my swag, you know,

1934
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 20: because I try to get people like three strikes, you

1935
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 20: know what I mean. That was one that was one

1936
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 20: for KG. I didn't want to give him one, but

1937
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 20: I got to the second strike. I said, well, I'm

1938
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 20: trying to get my swag, and he's like fuck your

1939
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 20: swag like loud, and I'm looking around like strike too.

1940
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 20: I gotta say something, and then you know, I say

1941
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 20: fuck your swag. He looked at him like, yeah, okay,

1942
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 20: So because he kind of seen that, like like that

1943
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 20: though yeah he liked it, you know what I mean,

1944
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 20: but he kind.

1945
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 8: Of seen it, and I was just like, damn.

1946
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 1: I really said the KG like my first day is

1947
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn. Hopefully he don't He's just leave it

1948
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 1: there and don't bring us to tomorrow. So I try

1949
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 1: to meet him at the.

1950
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 20: Waffle station, right because I feel like that next morning, yeah,

1951
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 20: that's the easiest place to talk to somebody at the

1952
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 20: waffle station, right yeah, right when you're making your waffless,

1953
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 20: just syrup in butter, keep yourself yeah no, no no berries, yeah,

1954
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 20: no whip cream nah.

1955
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 1: Okay.

1956
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:40,759
Speaker 20: So he you know, he likes his he likes his waffles,

1957
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 20: and he doesn't say nothing to me why he's making

1958
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 20: his waffles. So, you know, you just knowing somebody that's scary,

1959
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 20: Like I'm like, oh, ship, while he's.

1960
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 1: Making a waffle, you know what I mean?

1961
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 20: And so you know, I I you know, he didn't

1962
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 20: say nothing to me the whole day. And then I

1963
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 20: was like, fuck it, I'm gonna talk. And I was like,

1964
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 20: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I thought we you know, left

1965
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 20: that over yesterday. I apologize.

1966
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: Man. Man, he was like, you know what, young fella

1967
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: like you man, It's all good, bro, you good. That's dope.

1968
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 5: So how did you guys, because I heard you guys

1969
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 5: had a great relationship, How did you guys relationship kind

1970
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 5: of flourish after that?

1971
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 20: I was at taking university today. I ain't graduated from

1972
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 20: no other school. Like I was his rook everything he

1973
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 20: did everything I was there, like every peanut, butter and

1974
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 20: jelly I made, like you know what I mean, like

1975
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 20: what kind of stuff hurt?

1976
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 1: He had his perks let me hear what he had.

1977
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: He's doing that. I want to hear some of the.

1978
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 20: Perks, Like for example, like one time here trying to

1979
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 20: take me shopping, and you know, I'm a good Brook.

1980
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 20: I ain't gonna ask for nothing. I'm just sitting chilling.

1981
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:48,680
Speaker 20: Like he's like get something. I'm like nah, no, man,

1982
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 20: He's like, nigga, get something. Like I'm like damn. So

1983
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:57,560
Speaker 20: he goes and put the scars on my neck. He

1984
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 20: put a scarf on a scarf it's flying. I'm like damn,

1985
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 20: like you know, and then he taught me about scarves.

1986
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 20: He taught me about hats. You know what I'm saying.

1987
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 1: So that's like kind of stuff he did, you know

1988
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like or like bou Ray, you know, right,

1989
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 1: like bu Ray.

1990
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 20: He'll stunt on everybody else, Like if they got fifties

1991
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 20: in there, he'll give them to me because he don't

1992
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 20: like fifties.

1993
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 8: So I'm the Brook, like, yeah, I got four thousand

1994
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 8: worth fifties.

1995
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: It could be one.

1996
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 20: It used to be so bad, uh, Like we had

1997
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 20: like Perkins and Leon used to get mad. We had

1998
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 20: a whole team meeting, like ticket don't hang over with us.

1999
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 20: Perkins did that like, oh, Man, Ticket, this real story.

2000
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 20: We had a whole team meet perk.

2001
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 1: Like Ticket, You always hanging out with baby Face just stupid, man,

2002
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: you know.

2003
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 20: What I'm saying, Like, that's how much our relationship.

2004
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:01,679
Speaker 1: Was, like was tight. Yeah, we were tight as hell.

2005
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 20: So you know, me and me and him we got

2006
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 20: I got so much like just crazy.

2007
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: Shit with him. Man, it was crazy Wallace.

2008
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 5: Man, you got one of the most unbreakable records, probably

2009
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 5: in the history of the NBA. I don't know, forty

2010
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 5: one texts in one season. Hey, they changed they changed

2011
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 5: the rules.

2012
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 1: Because of you. Yeah, oh yeah, they changed the rules

2013
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 1: because of you. Yeah.

2014
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 5: You talk us about some of the referees you had

2015
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 5: battles with and just how the hell it just happened

2016
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 5: so much. A lot of its reputation, But of course

2017
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 5: aren't some of.

2018
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 1: Them, Yeah for sure.

2019
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,679
Speaker 21: Now I'll say this early on in my career, where

2020
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 21: if I felt as those things were unjust, I'm going

2021
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 21: to use a lot of profanity.

2022
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: So you're right, a lot of them I did earn.

2023
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 1: But as I got older, became more of a vet.

2024
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 21: And I got to know more than cheating reps that

2025
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,640
Speaker 21: was back out. Then it's like all right, I know

2026
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 21: this person, how he going ref and this and that

2027
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 21: D D D. So now I don't even have to cuss.

2028
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 21: So now I just say little stuff like M I

2029
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 21: got that email, huh or you know what two like mm, yeah,

2030
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 21: I know what it is. How how do you get

2031
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 21: a technical foul? You going to the basket. All you

2032
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 21: trying to do is score, You get fouled and you

2033
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 21: get a technical foul?

2034
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:33,839
Speaker 1: Who called it? Joey Jack.

2035
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 21: Playing Cleveland in Cleveland, so you know that heated rivalry

2036
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 21: when I was in Detroit. So I got the ball

2037
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 21: on the post boom. So I'm going I'm going to

2038
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 21: Ilgauskas and give him a move. And I go to

2039
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 21: the middle and here comes Veragill, Wam Clivers, everybody right,

2040
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 21: All three of us fall.

2041
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: To the ground and Jack stands over.

2042
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 21: Gave all three attack, right, So you know I'm getting up.

2043
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 21: I don't know what's happening. Right, Wait, how the hell

2044
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 21: I get attacked? I'm trying to score the ball. I

2045
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 21: ain't you know, I ain't do no dirty players, and

2046
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 21: I'm trying to score the ball. And then you know

2047
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 21: he was like, hey, that's what we were told to do.

2048
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 21: If it's any rough stuff. I was like, all right,

2049
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,840
Speaker 21: I got you already, got kicked a whole lot of stuff.

2050
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 21: Man was of course, y'all know I wasn't. I wasn't

2051
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 21: the favorite by by the league, rests all of.

2052
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: That, you know. But I went back at them too, definite.

2053
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 1: I think my career how I was about fifteen on

2054
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 1: the season. I think I got up to fifteen. Then

2055
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 1: he almost tripled that though.

2056
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying what I'm saying. I'm saying, I'm yeah, yeah,

2057
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 5: I had. I had my run too. I lost a

2058
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 5: lot of money. Take much how much? How much were

2059
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 5: text back then? With there a thousand, because then jumped

2060
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 5: up to like twenty five hundred.

2061
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: By the time Jones it was five hundred of pot up.

2062
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 21: As you did not at first they just when they

2063
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 21: think that happened when they came out with the sheet rule.

2064
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so did she rule? You get sixteen texts, yep.

2065
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 1: And with each tech, as it goes up.

2066
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,680
Speaker 21: Towards that sixteen, yeap, that fine becomes higher and the

2067
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 21: suspension comes, and then the suspension comes for the sixteen

2068
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 21: tech and then if it goes up to I think

2069
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 21: it's it was twenty or twenty one.

2070
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 1: It was a couple of more games, and this and

2071
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:23,600
Speaker 1: that and this and that. It was on and on.

2072
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 5: So you gotta take every other game, you have, every

2073
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 5: other game at least a tech on everything.

2074
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 1: It was worth it, though, Oh yeah, yeah, it was

2075
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 1: worth it. Yeah, I'm my piece. Yeah.

2076
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:36,599
Speaker 5: And then I never regretted they had rests in their area.

2077
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 5: There was there was the was shaving on the game too,

2078
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:39,599
Speaker 5: So I can imagine.

2079
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 10: I remember, I remember Ron Ron caught some bullshit and

2080
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 10: you're just staring at him. Bang, bang, I'm too and

2081
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 10: throw you out, just staring and you ain't say one word.

2082
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 1: How you know if I'm staring at you supposed to

2083
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:55,639
Speaker 1: be resting the game with too, you didn't say a word.

2084
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 1: That's the bullshit right there. But I knew, but I

2085
01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, I knew what it was.

2086
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 21: A lot of it was part of the business, you know,

2087
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:06,599
Speaker 21: the big big Laker city Portland was a small market.

2088
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:09,680
Speaker 1: And then again playing in Detroit, you know.

2089
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 21: I knew it wasn't that much love as far as

2090
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 21: you know, league wide with them, because of course would

2091
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 21: have been the black urban city and the whole bad

2092
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 21: boys thing and this and that.

2093
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, I ain't worried about it though.

2094
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 21: Like I said, I think my young fellow might get

2095
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 21: me though he might Yeah, dra might get me.

2096
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 1: He might get forty. He the only one I could

2097
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 1: see that that might come close.

2098
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm third on the list though, Yeah, I know

2099
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 10: I'm not that high overall.

2100
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm third on the list behind Barkley and Carl Malone.

2101
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 21: Really, yes, sir, it's a great company, and I think

2102
01:42:48,439 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 21: I think Robmin is fourth right behind me, my brother

2103
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 21: Kenyan Martin.

2104
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:03,759
Speaker 1: I always ad you watching the Bad Boy Pistons.

2105
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:07,600
Speaker 15: Talk about that, Yeah, sending me everything Pistons, man, Like

2106
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 15: that was you know me being born in Saginaw.

2107
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:12,400
Speaker 1: Know that was there.

2108
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 14: You know what I'm saying.

2109
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 15: Like she's a die hard to date sports fan, Like

2110
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 15: that's shed at.

2111
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: Me when I was out there layd boys. She understood

2112
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 1: what it.

2113
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 15: Was, man Like you played the way I'm saying, you

2114
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 15: played the way I played the game man, And she

2115
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 15: loved that style, you know what I'm saying.

2116
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 14: So she's to this day like that's all she does.

2117
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 15: She lay in her bed and it stays on either

2118
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,519
Speaker 15: games or Sports Center, and she does cross the puzzles.

2119
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 1: That's her.

2120
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 15: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So she eighty three,

2121
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 15: so that's all she do. Man Like she's sitting there,

2122
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 15: but she's she used to send me everything pistons. So

2123
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:54,160
Speaker 15: everybody else was the bulls fan. I was basically like

2124
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 15: Mike bad. But Mike like, I'm over here with Zeke them.

2125
01:43:59,280 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 14: And peeps.

2126
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:05,560
Speaker 15: So y'all like stories, get your story about my pistons.

2127
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 15: How wired I am? Right my second year, we're playing Utah, y'all,

2128
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,599
Speaker 15: remember called my alone elbowed Isaiah Thompson, split him open.

2129
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 22: Remember that he was leaking right way before you was,

2130
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 22: way before I was ever in the league. I just

2131
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 22: want to set this and never thought I was gonna

2132
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 22: be in the in the in the NBA to begin with.

2133
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 15: But I remember he had him leaking right were playing Utah,

2134
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 15: were in Jersey on the break, Johnstock and drop that

2135
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 15: thing off to him. I go right upside called my

2136
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 15: alone boom, laying him out, and he didn't get up

2137
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 15: and do nothing. I was like, oh, these motherfuckers souff

2138
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 15: out here like and Jerry Sloan God rest the man soul.

2139
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 15: Oh you motherfucker, I kick you. And I was like

2140
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 15: he tried to take up foreign car and the car

2141
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:04,520
Speaker 15: didn't do nothing. I was like, but that was physique,

2142
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 15: you know what I'm saying.

2143
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 14: Way later.

2144
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 15: Wired from Cliff like, oh listen off, bro, like and

2145
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 15: that started that started what it like.

2146
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 1: Nuts way back then. See, I told you all though

2147
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 1: they had nothing to do with him.

2148
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 15: Nothing, And I told Isaiah this story way after the

2149
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 15: like when it happened, like what I did.

2150
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 1: Do you think but the pistons and all that does that?

2151
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: Does that influence the way you play?

2152
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 14: Absolutely? In my environment that I grew up in, it

2153
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 14: was that.

2154
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 15: Yeah, like I'm seeing dude fight over travel call yeah,

2155
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 15: no question and get back to playing.

2156
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 14: Double drip whatever it was. Game point.

2157
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 15: Listen, this is my environment and I'm seeing this the

2158
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 15: way they play. Oh yeah, it's acceptable. Yeah, it's acceptable

2159
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 15: there at the highest level doing it. So when I'm

2160
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 15: doing it in high school, Dude.

2161
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 14: Some of the ship that I did, Bro, I know

2162
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 14: you nuts, man, nuts. I think about it.

2163
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 15: Dog, If I one of my boys do that, Listen, man,

2164
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 15: I'm gonna take him out of the game and him

2165
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 15: going in the bathroom, dog, and I'm gonna handle him

2166
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 15: like he's grown.

2167
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:21,599
Speaker 14: Some ship I did in high school. I think about it. Man,

2168
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 14: something I was woke, he.

2169
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: Said, woke therapy.

2170
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 14: Therapy ain't.

2171
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:34,639
Speaker 15: Because you brocause I think about it, man, Like I'd

2172
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,680
Speaker 15: be sitting there telling him like she she asked me, like,

2173
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 15: did you ever used to box?

2174
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:43,559
Speaker 14: She like, like you give me like that you fight her.

2175
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 15: I said, I probably should have, Like, but nah, man,

2176
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:51,639
Speaker 15: just some of this stuff I think back. Man, I'm

2177
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 15: like some was yeah, just environment dog and then watching

2178
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:59,800
Speaker 15: them dudes go upside people's head. Man, what me and

2179
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 15: got along so well when the Big Three started, like

2180
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 15: I was all just playing and all that.

2181
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 14: Soon as you got around each other, it was like, yo,

2182
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 14: that my guy like yeah, like and I told he,

2183
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 14: like what he say?

2184
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:13,680
Speaker 5: You know?

2185
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 14: So he tried to trade for me when I was

2186
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 14: with the Nuggets. Man, they wouldn't do it.

2187
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 1: Where was he at New York?

2188
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 14: This is before the.

2189
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 15: Mellow thing, all that way, before that went down, Before

2190
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 15: he went there. He was trying to get it done.

2191
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 15: I told him what I did. I saw him on vacation.

2192
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 15: Somewhere on vacation. I saw him and I ran it.

2193
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 14: Down for him.

2194
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Charles Oakley.

2195
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:48,479
Speaker 5: Before we get to the the Knicks part of your career,

2196
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 5: although you were there at the beginning of my thoughts

2197
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 5: on the last dance and and what you saw and

2198
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 5: what you learned, because obviously not the whole time there,

2199
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:56,800
Speaker 5: but you played during that.

2200
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,160
Speaker 8: I mean the last dance was something for people was

2201
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 8: at home because you know, pandemics, they can see all

2202
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 8: different sizes of different people. But I think, I mean

2203
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:10,160
Speaker 8: a lot of it was like I don't know how

2204
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 8: true some of it was, but I think that a

2205
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 8: lot of people, you know, like like Gary Payton, you know,

2206
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:17,599
Speaker 8: he probably wouldn't happen with Mike.

2207
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 1: What Mike said about he said a lot about a

2208
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 1: lot of people.

2209
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 8: This got in Isaiah, Isaiah's talk about hisself. I don't

2210
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 8: nobody like Isaiah. No, I don't know what's up with Isaiah,

2211
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 8: just too sneaky. You know, he always thinks he I

2212
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:34,080
Speaker 8: ain't do it, but he did it. You know, we

2213
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 8: got we got your on camera.

2214
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 1: You did camera camera.

2215
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 8: You still would to be Mike, Mike do not want

2216
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 8: to be your friend? Is I'm telling you for the

2217
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 8: fifth time he.

2218
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 1: Did not want to be your friend. You know, stay

2219
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 1: on ESPN, keep talking on t N T.

2220
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 8: Mike's just you know, now you're trying to say everybody

2221
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 8: better than Like, it's okay, you not better than mine.

2222
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 1: He came in your city and took your city. That's

2223
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 1: why you really mad. He took over with Chicago. I know,

2224
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

2225
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 5: One thing I wanted to ask, obviously, Pip dropped the

2226
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,680
Speaker 5: book recently and there had a lot of m just

2227
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,800
Speaker 5: slander in that. What were your thoughts on Well, I mean,

2228
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:21,400
Speaker 5: like I said, a lot of the last dance, it

2229
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 5: was a carry over.

2230
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 1: So you know, Scotty got his book, I got my book.

2231
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 8: I don't know, didn'ybody throw me on the bridge over

2232
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:31,719
Speaker 8: the bridge, so I was just myself. I think Scottie

2233
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:35,519
Speaker 8: probably feel like he was more to Mike than these guys.

2234
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 8: He should have got more action than Dennis rob and

2235
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 8: Steve Kurr. I think Dennis got too much play and

2236
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:44,600
Speaker 8: Kurt I mean, I mean Scotty did a lot. I

2237
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 8: mean Curry might have hit two shots in eight years. Dennis,

2238
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 8: I mean he.

2239
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 1: Did his thing.

2240
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:52,799
Speaker 8: We bound, but he was the asshole. Yeah you Dennis,

2241
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:56,760
Speaker 8: you know what it is. I'm then enforced acclaim you

2242
01:49:57,080 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 8: found but but no, just I just try to keep

2243
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 8: it Realnis know what it is.

2244
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 10: I kind of felt like as time passes and you know,

2245
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,600
Speaker 10: people kind of give Scotty his props. I just I

2246
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:16,680
Speaker 10: just think he kind of going too far with it

2247
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 10: now like to and everybody have their opinion. Bro, you

2248
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 10: know what I'm saying, But from from one minute, you're

2249
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 10: saying nothing is nobody's better than.

2250
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 1: Jordan, He's the best.

2251
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:28,200
Speaker 10: To the point, I guess when after like you said,

2252
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 10: after this last dance came out, now you having second

2253
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:32,160
Speaker 10: thoughts of saying all this stuff.

2254
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of feeling like that ain't genuine. I

2255
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:35,639
Speaker 1: feel like he going through someone. He mad at Mike

2256
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:36,000
Speaker 1: about it.

2257
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think myself, I think it's something that off

2258
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,559
Speaker 8: the court right because Scotty he said what he said,

2259
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 8: he got a little bit. I mean, when the everybody

2260
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 8: call this guy to go and you ain't in the

2261
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 8: top twenty five minutes scoring, it's hope, you just say

2262
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:51,400
Speaker 8: you're betting someone, but you got opinion.

2263
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 1: You know, I know, Scott I told to Scotty, you

2264
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:55,599
Speaker 1: know I ain't.

2265
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 8: You know, I used to talk to Mike after every

2266
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 8: last you know, last day, like they shouldn't did anything.

2267
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 8: You But Scotty, you know, he came out with his book,

2268
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:07,599
Speaker 8: he said a lot this and that, trying to compare

2269
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 8: himself with Mike. I mean, like I said that, I

2270
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 8: called Mike in uh in my book, I called Mike

2271
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:17,559
Speaker 8: and Lebron frost of flaking corn flakes. Yeah, so Scotty

2272
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 8: to Mike, Scotty ain't better than Lebron.

2273
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 1: So my thing is.

2274
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 8: Scotty got a lot of you know, potential, the type

2275
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 8: of skill that with Lebron. But I don't think Scotty

2276
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 8: average over twenty points but maybe one time in his career, right,

2277
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 8: So I mean, you know Scott, you know his wife,

2278
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:36,200
Speaker 8: you know his son passed. I mean, he was going

2279
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:38,720
Speaker 8: through a lot, so he could have you know, I

2280
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,559
Speaker 8: don't know. I'm trying to you know, I like Scotty,

2281
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 8: but it's Mike. Hard to say. You're betten to go.

2282
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 1: The one and only.

2283
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 23: Craig and I was having a conversation about Pip and

2284
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:01,120
Speaker 23: I told I told him, I said to me, once

2285
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 23: Scott he became one of the fiftieth best, his level

2286
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:08,160
Speaker 23: of confidence, not necessarily the way he played. He's playing

2287
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:10,800
Speaker 23: a top fifty before then he just didn't know it,

2288
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:15,639
Speaker 23: you feel me. He was under the influence of twenty three,

2289
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:19,080
Speaker 23: that this is how you do it. This is how

2290
01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 23: you do it, This is how you do it.

2291
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 2: I'm gonna drop you something.

2292
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 12: This is how you do it.

2293
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:24,639
Speaker 4: So he little brother.

2294
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 23: Man, when he became top fifty, it became.

2295
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 1: What let's go.

2296
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:34,400
Speaker 23: And I think to some degree that's still there in

2297
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 23: that little rift. They haven't, but you know, Lord Willing,

2298
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 23: it'll come together because everybody got children and your babies.

2299
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 1: Now, man, we're too old for that shit. You know

2300
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:45,639
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

2301
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:48,960
Speaker 2: We too old, We too old, were too old for that.

2302
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:49,839
Speaker 1: Now we're elders.

2303
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:52,360
Speaker 23: Now we're olders to the point where we got to

2304
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 23: be able to give something back in the level where hey, man,

2305
01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:56,519
Speaker 23: if I can't give it to you.

2306
01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,200
Speaker 1: And see, I think you know the.

2307
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:02,960
Speaker 23: Economic of America, the economics of.

2308
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:06,679
Speaker 6: What is success?

2309
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:10,799
Speaker 1: Isn't me having a billion? Is me having one hundred thousand?

2310
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:12,479
Speaker 7: Isn't me having a hundred?

2311
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 1: What is so? In this thing?

2312
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:17,640
Speaker 23: They put that idol in front of us, and we

2313
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:20,680
Speaker 23: all chase it so much. And when I when I

2314
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:22,080
Speaker 23: leave money on the table.

2315
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:22,519
Speaker 1: It can be tough.

2316
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 23: And I think many times that when we leave money

2317
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 23: on the table, money's left on the table. That those

2318
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:33,639
Speaker 23: little frackings come out, and then we have chaos.

2319
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:43,240
Speaker 1: I got the one and only Kevin Durants.

2320
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:47,240
Speaker 5: Man, you guys are going when and like I said,

2321
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:52,679
Speaker 5: understanding and being around and knowing Draymond, when that shit

2322
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 5: happened in La, I'm like, yeah, damn, Like I understand

2323
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:59,240
Speaker 5: him because he's where's his heart on the sleeve, always

2324
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:01,240
Speaker 5: spreaks from the tough and most of the time it's right.

2325
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:04,680
Speaker 5: You mean, but the ship, he said, was over the

2326
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:05,599
Speaker 5: motherfucking line.

2327
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:07,519
Speaker 1: So how did that happen?

2328
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 3: How to run me through that?

2329
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,559
Speaker 1: I mean, it really came out of nowhere. I didn't.

2330
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 13: I mean, we the play happened. I was going to

2331
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:16,920
Speaker 13: grab a rebound, he came and grabbed it. I'm thinking

2332
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:18,360
Speaker 13: he gonna just toss it two me and me run

2333
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:19,559
Speaker 13: up court and I'm gonna shoot the shot.

2334
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:22,720
Speaker 1: The whole world thinking that not just you, everybody, I

2335
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 1: come off the peel. My nigga would come off the

2336
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:26,680
Speaker 1: rock right there. Everybody in the world. Whew, he was

2337
01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 1: supposed to come.

2338
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 3: Off the red.

2339
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 13: Everybody knew that, and we all figured that that would happen.

2340
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:32,000
Speaker 13: And then when it didn't, I was kind of shocked.

2341
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:34,280
Speaker 13: And then I was just like, oh, Dre Lake, let

2342
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 13: me see that.

2343
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, what are you doing? Like

2344
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: what you're doing? And then he turned it over.

2345
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 13: I'm like, I'm just so confused at that point because

2346
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:44,080
Speaker 13: he never ever did nothing like that before, and everybody

2347
01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 13: on the bench was confused too.

2348
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:46,240
Speaker 1: And then we came back.

2349
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:48,640
Speaker 13: Then I just heard him screaming, and I was like,

2350
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:50,600
Speaker 13: hold up, and he usually screaming when he come back

2351
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 13: to the bench, but what is he saying? Then he

2352
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 13: started going off, and I'm just like, maybe it's because

2353
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,360
Speaker 13: I was like fucking pissed that he ain't give me

2354
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 13: the rock because I didn't say nothing.

2355
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:01,640
Speaker 1: It was just in my body length. I was just

2356
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 1: clapping it.

2357
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 10: Just liked Clay was pissed. Clay pissed too, like throw

2358
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:09,080
Speaker 10: one of us the rock. You know, you can't hit

2359
01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 10: the house in the kitchen either, the letters shoot the bitch.

2360
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 1: So man.

2361
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 13: Then he started coming off the top with all of

2362
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:17,120
Speaker 13: that stuff, and I'm just thinking, I'm like Draymond was

2363
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 13: it is actually my friend, like somebody I can call

2364
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:22,720
Speaker 13: when I'm going through anything, like yo, bro, great dude,

2365
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:25,760
Speaker 13: come through, Like bro, let's hang out tonight, like and

2366
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 13: for him to say that type of shit to me,

2367
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:29,040
Speaker 13: it just threw me for a loop and it was

2368
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:31,520
Speaker 13: just really I just started isolating myself after that because

2369
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 13: I didn't feel like, you know, they suspended Draymon and it.

2370
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:38,280
Speaker 1: Was just like they had to so it won't look

2371
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 1: bad to everybody else.

2372
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 13: And then nobody talked to me about it or really

2373
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 13: like we never really came to an agreement that we

2374
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 13: didn't even we didn't even voice our nobody as a whole,

2375
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:50,280
Speaker 13: because it happened in front of the whole team, and

2376
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:51,600
Speaker 13: nobody really talked about it.

2377
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 1: It was just swept under the rug.

2378
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:55,200
Speaker 13: And to me, it's just like we're family, were supposed

2379
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:56,800
Speaker 13: to like even if he said that we can move

2380
01:55:56,840 --> 01:55:57,160
Speaker 13: past it.

2381
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:58,440
Speaker 1: Let's all talk about it.

2382
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:00,520
Speaker 13: Let's just say how we all felt about that moment,

2383
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,440
Speaker 13: because that's a huge moment in this whole dynasty. Like

2384
01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:04,840
Speaker 13: you know what I mean, don't just sweep it under

2385
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 13: the rug because we want to win. That's the reason

2386
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 13: why we're not gonna win, you know what I mean.

2387
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 13: So I was like, let's just all talk about this.

2388
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 13: It's not that big of a deal, Like just put

2389
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 13: it out on the table. We can move past it

2390
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:16,560
Speaker 13: and when that didn't happen. Now, it was just like

2391
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:19,280
Speaker 13: fuck it, let me just hoop and worry about myself,

2392
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 13: and we went on.

2393
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 1: We'll see that.

2394
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:24,080
Speaker 10: I think that probably hurt y'all because if y'all would

2395
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:26,560
Speaker 10: have came out and he would have heard more people saying, bro,

2396
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 10: you should have passed the ball, Bro, you should have

2397
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 10: passed the ball, I think he would have came outside

2398
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 10: himself and realized, like, you know what made by overreacting. Yeah,

2399
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:35,280
Speaker 10: he never got a chance to say that.

2400
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:37,800
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean Draymond. We all know what Draymond is,

2401
01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 13: and it's like, it's not it's fine that you can that.

2402
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:41,840
Speaker 13: You want to do that, and you want to show

2403
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 13: your emotions and win when you're sleep, that's fine, But

2404
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 13: when it's over the line sometime, let's just talk about

2405
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 13: it so next time you can tone it down just

2406
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:50,560
Speaker 13: a bit. And I feel like we didn't have the

2407
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:53,480
Speaker 13: opportunity to do so because we were so focused on

2408
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:55,000
Speaker 13: trying to just move forward and win.

2409
01:56:55,160 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 1: And I get that too, but it's like if we're

2410
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 1: a family and we're gonna ash it out and then

2411
01:56:58,640 --> 01:56:59,360
Speaker 1: we go move forward it.

2412
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:02,880
Speaker 13: Yeah, we didn't want two chips together bigger than like say,

2413
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:04,880
Speaker 13: this is just some ship we could sit down and

2414
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:05,360
Speaker 13: talk about.

2415
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:07,920
Speaker 10: That's why certain words gonna come out too. Like we

2416
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 10: brothers and I got into it. I got a fist

2417
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:13,320
Speaker 10: fights my brothers. But certain words you don't say, you

2418
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 10: know what I'm saying. Certain words they're saying, you know

2419
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:15,560
Speaker 10: when that line.

2420
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:17,440
Speaker 5: Is y Well, I think he realized that too, that

2421
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 5: you mean, like I said, I think us knowing we

2422
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:21,320
Speaker 5: we all know him. I think he realized he fucked

2423
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 5: up here, cross the line.

2424
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:23,000
Speaker 1: But that's what kind of duty is.

2425
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:26,240
Speaker 5: But that even makes the point more like, let's motherfucker

2426
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:28,520
Speaker 5: sit down. I can really talk about.

2427
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:29,040
Speaker 6: This, all of us.

2428
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 13: Me and him sat down and talked about it, and

2429
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 13: we kind of you know, I gave him my piece

2430
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 13: on it, and he told me how he felt on it.

2431
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:38,600
Speaker 1: But I'm like it happened in front of the whole team.

2432
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:41,640
Speaker 1: That's everybody. Everybody got to talk about because everybody fucked

2433
01:57:41,680 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 1: with each other. It wasn't like you were forcing it.

2434
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:45,080
Speaker 1: Everybody really fucked with each other, you know what I mean.

2435
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:46,320
Speaker 4: So let's sit down and haves that.

2436
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:50,880
Speaker 10: And again everybody was thinking you were passing the rock, bro.

2437
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:53,200
Speaker 1: It ain't just they ain't just Clay.

2438
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:55,520
Speaker 10: Everybody in the world thought you was coming off the

2439
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 10: rock and you was wrong.

2440
01:57:57,320 --> 01:57:59,640
Speaker 1: Just to man, you was wrong. That's and that's what

2441
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:01,640
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. I think. I think that he

2442
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 1: had too much pride in the fact that he turned

2443
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:05,560
Speaker 1: it over and that made him react that way.

2444
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:10,920
Speaker 13: Yeah, but we know shit, turnovers happened exactly. Play makers

2445
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:12,920
Speaker 13: on the team, nobody really care if we won or

2446
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:14,720
Speaker 13: lost that game in the first place. It was just

2447
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 13: like we I mean, we're in that situation. Let's just

2448
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 13: go ahead, try to finish it the right way, you know.

2449
01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 13: But at the end of the day, nobody really cared

2450
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:22,560
Speaker 13: about that win on lass.

2451
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But this too great.

2452
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:27,000
Speaker 10: Coaches, when you don't get a shot at the end

2453
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 10: of the game like that, they be pissed. Greg Popovich,

2454
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:31,880
Speaker 10: He'll he'll sit you ass down the whole game. If

2455
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:33,240
Speaker 10: you fuck up a play coming out of time, I

2456
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 10: don't get a shot.

2457
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:35,360
Speaker 13: Up at the game, oh yeah, I mean, ship that

2458
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 13: doesn't make anybody pissed if you just turn it over

2459
01:58:38,200 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 13: the game.

2460
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:40,840
Speaker 5: I think the media kind of saw that as an

2461
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:44,880
Speaker 5: entry way to kind of start dividing these motherfuckers are

2462
01:58:44,920 --> 01:58:45,280
Speaker 5: so good.

2463
01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 1: What can we start doing? What can we start developing

2464
01:58:48,040 --> 01:58:49,520
Speaker 1: to chink this armor?

2465
01:58:50,200 --> 01:58:51,640
Speaker 5: No, I got it like I was only there with

2466
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:53,760
Speaker 5: y'all for three months, but I always saw to me

2467
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:55,200
Speaker 5: when I looked like, I was like, this is this

2468
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:56,000
Speaker 5: is some cold ship.

2469
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 1: Man. The media is cold. Man.

2470
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 5: You pay attention to these motherfuckers. They're really telling you

2471
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:01,320
Speaker 5: what doing right in front of your face. But you

2472
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 5: can't do nothing because they blame me. That shit up

2473
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 5: and put a bow on it.

2474
01:59:04,360 --> 01:59:08,600
Speaker 1: It was always to me KD and the Warriors.

2475
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:13,280
Speaker 5: It was never the Warriors. Kevin Durantz a part of

2476
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 5: that team, and I was looking at it.

2477
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:16,720
Speaker 13: I was like, hold up, So d West came the

2478
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 13: same time I came, but he's a warrior and I'm not.

2479
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:23,600
Speaker 13: It makes no sense. Javel McGee same way. He's a

2480
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:25,920
Speaker 13: war like Ian Clark. He was there before me, but

2481
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:28,040
Speaker 13: he left. He didn't win the second championship with us,

2482
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:29,760
Speaker 13: but he's like and it made no sense to me,

2483
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:32,840
Speaker 13: And I'm like, the media is just trying so hard

2484
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:36,880
Speaker 13: to separate this thing. I was just like, y'all for what, Like,

2485
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:40,000
Speaker 13: you didn't do that with Lebron and d Wade and Bob.

2486
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 13: You didn't do that with those guys. You didn't do

2487
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 13: that with KG and Paul Pearson. You ain't trying to

2488
01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:47,240
Speaker 13: separate them. It's like, oh, why why are you trying

2489
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,240
Speaker 13: to separate me from the rest of the team, And

2490
01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:51,800
Speaker 13: you actually are making this your job, your duty to

2491
01:59:51,880 --> 01:59:54,880
Speaker 13: do so is to push this narrative every day. People

2492
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:57,160
Speaker 13: called me wild for calling it out, but I'm just like, no,

2493
01:59:57,280 --> 01:59:58,080
Speaker 13: I think it's corny.

2494
01:59:58,560 --> 01:59:59,240
Speaker 1: It is what it is.

2495
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:01,160
Speaker 5: In fact, he's speak on to makesure Like you said,

2496
02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:02,760
Speaker 5: the fact you speak on the bullshit and you.

2497
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 1: See it, you're bad. Yeah, exactly.

2498
02:00:04,760 --> 02:00:07,440
Speaker 5: It was just like, I'm this person you're I'm just

2499
02:00:07,480 --> 02:00:09,760
Speaker 5: supposed to y'all one of the greatest players ever played.

2500
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm just supposed to let it go. That's what you

2501
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:12,240
Speaker 1: want me to do because.

2502
02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:13,920
Speaker 13: Y'all supposed to be messengers to the fans, and they

2503
02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:17,080
Speaker 13: looking at y'all, y'all can easily like brainwash people with

2504
02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:19,720
Speaker 13: y'all bullshit and it's not about you, and media got

2505
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:20,720
Speaker 13: nobody cares about you.

2506
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:23,600
Speaker 1: It's not about you. It's about you. Go out of it.

2507
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:26,600
Speaker 13: Yeah, you're trying to put your whole style and flair

2508
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:28,480
Speaker 13: on something that got nothing to do with you. This

2509
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 13: game gonna be here before, This game was here before you,

2510
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:32,040
Speaker 13: is gonna be hit way after you.

2511
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:33,760
Speaker 1: So nobody cares about you.

2512
02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:35,960
Speaker 13: They don't care about me that much that forty years,

2513
02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:38,120
Speaker 13: fifty years, they're gonna lose that next thing, you know

2514
02:00:38,160 --> 02:00:39,960
Speaker 13: what I'm saying, So like, get out the way.

2515
02:00:40,120 --> 02:00:42,120
Speaker 5: That's why it's so important now because you think back

2516
02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:44,240
Speaker 5: in the day pre social media, whatever they put out

2517
02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:46,440
Speaker 5: is the truth, and we never had a platform, you

2518
02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:48,080
Speaker 5: know what i mean. So that's why I love it

2519
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:50,440
Speaker 5: when you're out here. I didn't like to use the

2520
02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:52,480
Speaker 5: burner phone. I would have said, fuck it, I'm Kevin durantmfug.

2521
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:53,840
Speaker 5: I'm gonna cush you out and you talk some shit.

2522
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:55,600
Speaker 5: I'm gonna talk some shit. I'm gonna speak my mind.

2523
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna do the burner thing. I'm still still

2524
02:00:59,320 --> 02:00:59,520
Speaker 1: on it.

2525
02:00:59,680 --> 02:01:05,600
Speaker 17: Yeah, there's some ship that you just gotta But I'm

2526
02:01:05,680 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 17: saying he's suposed.

2527
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:07,200
Speaker 3: The old ways.

2528
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 4: But I'm saying, fucking bro.

2529
02:01:08,640 --> 02:01:10,280
Speaker 5: I'm saying, if i'm you like you know, if you

2530
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,920
Speaker 5: come from me, I'm coming back show.

2531
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:15,000
Speaker 13: Certain people are gonna come back on my regular account.

2532
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:17,600
Speaker 1: But if I'm try and do my things. Look out,

2533
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:20,920
Speaker 1: look I got the burn is still out there.

2534
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:22,240
Speaker 4: It's lurking.

2535
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:26,360
Speaker 1: I just slipped up that one time slipped up