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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, welcome the Mother News Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about the viral Vanity Fair cover featuring

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Speaker 2: Kylie Jenner smoking a cigarette. Is it terrible for someone

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Speaker 2: with her influence to take photos like this trying to

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Speaker 2: look sexy and cool? Speaking of tobacco, We'll get into

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Speaker 2: a new study about tobacco's effects and pregnancy, and then

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Speaker 2: we'll wrap it up with three different stories involving very

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Speaker 2: young children who were either accused or planning murder. Just

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Speaker 2: from the news this week. All that and more on

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Speaker 2: today's episode.

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Speaker 3: All Right, Kylie was on the cover of Vanity Fair

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Speaker 3: smoking and it has caused quite the stir with you.

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Speaker 2: It triggered me, Yeah, I just like I'm like, why, like,

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Speaker 2: why are we going back to this?

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Speaker 3: Well, I've been thinking about this a lot because we

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Speaker 3: talked about it on our YouTube live on Friday, and like,

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Speaker 3: for me as somebody that worked in the restaurant industry

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Speaker 3: and on photo shoots and on the movie and everything, like,

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Speaker 3: I've not seen the decline in the personal spaces I've

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Speaker 3: been in smoking. I know, as a society we have

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Speaker 3: really pulled back on it. But you were arguing that

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Speaker 3: you don't think you see this a lot, and like

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Speaker 3: I could say, to some extent that is true. But

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Speaker 3: I think in fashion magazines and in general with celebrities,

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Speaker 3: we do see pictures of them a lot, and I

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Speaker 3: do think there is an increase recently because the nineties

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Speaker 2: Listen, it bothers me for a couple of reasons. Number one,

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that she's a smoker, Like I never

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Speaker 2: saw her, you know, like she is socially.

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Speaker 3: There's pictures of her at parties and stuff smoking.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So like that that's if that is true, then

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Speaker 2: that doesn't bother me as much because I'm like, if

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Speaker 2: like it's I feel like it's worse if you actually

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Speaker 2: don't smoke and you're just doing it to look cool

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Speaker 2: in a picture. But I don't really know if that.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've never seen that for myself, But there's

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Speaker 2: been axe pissed that you cannot advertise for cigarettes on

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Speaker 2: TV in magazines. So if that's not okay, then like,

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Speaker 2: what's the difference between that, like a cigarette add in

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Speaker 2: a magazine and a model who is smoking a cigarette

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Speaker 2: posting that all over Instagram. It's the same exact thing.

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Speaker 3: Because on a technicality, you're not advertising like an American

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Speaker 3: Spirit cigarette, right, like she this is technically under the

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Speaker 3: category of art. No, Like, I understand you're saying, she

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Speaker 3: has a large influence and everything, but she's not doing

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Speaker 3: an ad for a cigarette company.

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Speaker 4: She's just generally smoke. She doing an ad for it,

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Speaker 4: She's just doing.

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Speaker 2: An ad for cigarettes in general. Yes, well, that's the loophole,

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Speaker 2: is what I'm getting at. And it technically, because it's

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Speaker 2: the cover of a fashion magazine falls under the category

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Speaker 2: of art. Okay whatever, Like it's it's just it's it

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Speaker 2: just annoys me because all of our problems are health problems,

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Speaker 2: not all of them obviously, but like a majority of

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Speaker 2: them can be licked back to cigarettes. Like it's that

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Speaker 2: bad between And it's not just cancer. It's not just

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Speaker 2: like multiple different kinds of cancers. It's just like all

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Speaker 2: of the other health issues that come with it to

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Speaker 2: cardiovascular health, increase risk of diabetes, increase risks of this,

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Speaker 2: increase vers of that. Like I actually wrote an article

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Speaker 2: years ago in the grocer room putting out a bold

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Speaker 2: statement saying that I don't even think COVID would have

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Speaker 2: been as bad as it was even a little bit

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Speaker 2: if people didn't smoke cigarettes, like because it's that bad.

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Speaker 2: So so I just feel like there's just enough evidence

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Speaker 2: just like, I know they're bad for me and I

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Speaker 2: don't care, which that's totally fine if you want to

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Speaker 2: do it, But like her especially, I feel like she's

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Speaker 2: she's like appealing to people that are in their teens

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Speaker 3: I mean, you have every right to criticize her. I'm

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Speaker 3: not for smoking at all either, but like she's not

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Speaker 3: So like they had to obviously change that when they

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Speaker 3: technically advertising for a cigarette company, just the act of

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Speaker 3: an album cover or something. Like you can't ban the

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Speaker 3: the imagery of people doing drugs and alcohol.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anything should be banned. I just think

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Speaker 2: it's like there. I just think there needs to be

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Speaker 2: I mean, like I know that you're saying that she's

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Speaker 2: like her and her family aren't blatantly advertising any particular

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Speaker 2: plastic surgeon or either, But like, look at the effect

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Speaker 2: it's had on the culture, So like you have to

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Speaker 2: see that there's a correlation. And I say the same

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Speaker 2: stuff about Sabrina Carpenter and the over sexual stuff. It's

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Speaker 2: just like when you know your audience and know who's

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Speaker 2: like looking up to you, you have a certain responsibility

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Speaker 3: But Devil's Advocate Sabrina Carpenter is not making music like

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Speaker 3: the Wiggles are making for children and then being over sexualized, like, yes,

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Speaker 3: her audience is children, but she's not making that music

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Speaker 3: for children. It just happens to correlate and like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: is with her stuff. But she's also not making the

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Speaker 3: I guess, so I'm just saying, like Devil's Advocate, I

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Speaker 3: think what I take from the story is that I

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Speaker 3: find with how anal the Kardashian Jenner clan is with

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Speaker 3: I don't think all of them do it, but some

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Speaker 3: of them have been photographed over time at least smoking

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Speaker 3: at parties. I see it with Housewives. I see it

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Speaker 4: It makes no sense at all.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, while we're on the topic of smoking,

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Speaker 3: let's get into how men's tobacco use can affect their

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Speaker 3: children's risk for diabetes.

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Speaker 2: All right, So this new research done in the Journal

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Speaker 2: of the Enercrince Society took mice and put nicotine, just

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Speaker 2: metabolic alterations that impacted the way that their bodies metabolized sugar.

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Speaker 2: So they are saying that based on this small study

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Speaker 2: to take that into consideration, it looks like that men

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Speaker 2: think that that's pretty significant. Again, has nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with cancer, and we already know that smoke, like when

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Speaker 2: studies and research that male sperm can actually be damaged

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Speaker 4: It could be.

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Speaker 2: It could lead to issues with infertility, So just before

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Speaker 2: finding out that not only that, but it could affect

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Speaker 2: increased risk for diabetes along with other things too, because

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of research being done on damaged DNA

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely interesting to think about. Also,

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Speaker 3: a shocking number to me in this article was they

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Speaker 3: said forty point one million people in the United States

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Speaker 3: have diabetes. That's a lot, Yeah, it is. And one

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Speaker 3: thing that's really good about cigarette smoking in general, though,

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people say like, oh, I've been

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Speaker 3: been so many studies done that that in fact does work,

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Speaker 3: So if anybody's listening to this having infertility issues and

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Speaker 2: It's just like one other interesting part of this is

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Speaker 4: Associated with that.

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Speaker 2: But in this particular study, they put straight nicotine into

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they wouldn't be investigating it as a homicide

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Speaker 2: if it was like they were in a like a

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Speaker 2: regular situation where a kid got hurt by accident, right like.

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Speaker 3: No, and then even younger, a ten year old boy

444
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Speaker 3: is accused of stabbing a seven year old girl with

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Speaker 3: a kitchen knife on a school playground and an after

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Speaker 3: school program. Even though this boy was not part of

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Speaker 3: the after school program and ran away before police got there.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, where are this children's parents? Were anybody

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Speaker 3: responsible for watching him?

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Speaker 2: Well? And I think though, the thing is is that

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Speaker 2: they saw the kid on their surveillance film and that's

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Speaker 2: how they figured out who it was, and they knew

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Speaker 2: him because he's had prior like run ins with the law.

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Speaker 2: A ten year old.

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Speaker 3: I noticed that article said that to it, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: do you care to elaborate at all on this little together?

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, that's ten year olds on my on

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Speaker 2: my radar. He's like a bad kid.

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Speaker 3: But like, why is this ten year old unattended? Why

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Speaker 3: is he stabbing somebody? Why does he have a knife.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand what's going on in this case.

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Speaker 2: I mean I didn't. I grew up in like a

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Speaker 2: very small town and only knew like really who lived

464
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Speaker 2: in my town. It's just like, so I don't want

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Speaker 2: to because I don't have like experience with the whole population.

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Speaker 2: But I just think, like, I'm just like, you just

467
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Speaker 2: never heard of shit like this when we were kids,

468
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Speaker 2: Like it's and now it's like this is just since

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Speaker 2: since like last last week, since we looked at news

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Speaker 2: stories from last week, And this isn't even all of them.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there was a couple other ones that we

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Speaker 2: didn't even cover either. There was there was one that

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Speaker 2: it was it was some guy that was like molesting

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Speaker 2: girls in the school, and there was all this talk

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Speaker 2: like does he even like they didn't even know if

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Speaker 2: he went to school there, Like it was like this

477
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Speaker 2: whole weird thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw that. And then like what going

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Speaker 3: back to the story of the girls laughing in the

480
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Speaker 3: police car, Like on YouTube, we had talked about this

481
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Speaker 3: pastor and his wife that were arrested for decades long

482
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Speaker 3: abuse and they were like just in their mug shot

483
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Speaker 3: seemingly like smiling, not seeming that unbothered. Like don't you

484
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Speaker 3: think that if you were arrested for hainus crime you'd

485
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Speaker 3: be in distress or you're just that much of a

486
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Speaker 3: monster that you're just like annoyed by the burden that

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Speaker 3: you were caught.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's what makes it more upsetting,

489
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Speaker 2: is that there's no lack of remorse. Even then you're like, no,

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Speaker 2: that I definitely don't want to give this person a

491
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Speaker 2: chance because and like this is always that these are

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Speaker 2: the most the saddest stories. I mean, we've talked about

493
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Speaker 2: this with the God. That one that really stands out

494
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Speaker 2: to me is that six year old kid in first

495
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Speaker 2: grade that shot his teacher because she took away is

496
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: like Playstate or his game Boy or whatever it was,

497
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Speaker 2: or his phone or whatever it was.

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Speaker 3: I like, are the parents gonna have some responsibility over

499
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Speaker 3: this too?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think the mom did get in some kind

501
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: of a trouble because she had the weapon that he

502
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: was able to get a hold of, and that's like

503
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: a whole other situation. But parents are starting to get

504
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: in trouble now, and I think they've really set a

505
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Speaker 2: precedent with the one the one shooter he might have been,

506
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Speaker 2: I don't even remember which which shooting incident this was,

507
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: but it was one of the kids that was a

508
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: school shooter and his there was documentation that his parents

509
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: like definitely knew that he was a risk and gave

510
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Speaker 2: him a firearm or he had access to a firearm,

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Speaker 2: and they got in trouble for it.

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Speaker 3: But I think about that mom that bought all those

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Speaker 3: weapons for her kid to execute a mass shooting, and

514
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Speaker 3: then the grandmom ended up reporting them, and I don't

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Speaker 3: even think she got in trouble for buying him those weapons.

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Speaker 3: She later got in trouble when they found a video

517
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Speaker 3: of her pointing a gun at her one year old baby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that lady was real neat.

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Speaker 3: So like, obviously, I don't want to say one hundred

520
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 3: percent it's always the parent's fault because obviously, sometimes you

521
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: could just have a kid that goes rogue even if

522
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Speaker 3: you've done your best. But there are cases where the

523
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Speaker 3: parents are contributing, or they're aware of these disturbing things

524
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Speaker 3: going on behind the scenes and not doing anything about it,

525
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Speaker 3: or single handedly providing them with the weapons to execute

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Speaker 3: these things.

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Speaker 2: God, it's so it's just so stressful hearing this kind

528
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: of stuff. I just I feel I feel terrible because

529
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: like listen, like my kids are annoying sometimes, like everybody's

530
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: kids are annoying, and but I still like look at

531
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: them like, oh, they're just like they're just learning life,

532
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 2: and they're just like you don't ever look at a

533
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: child and have like hatred towards a child. You're just like,

534
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: they're annoying and they're starting to learn life sometimes and

535
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 2: they do things that could get on your nerves. But

536
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: to actually feel a certain kind of way about a

537
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Speaker 2: child like that. It's just like they're so they're just

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Speaker 2: innocent and they're children. They're just children, Like everything that

539
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: might be wrong with them has been induced on them

540
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Speaker 2: from their surroundings. And it's just terrible to think that

541
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Speaker 2: any of these kids are starting off their young life

542
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: before even being done high school with this kind of

543
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: a like a record.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and in some of these cases, you can't undo

545
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: the damage, unfortunately, and now it's like their whole life

546
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: is ruined.

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00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: Like how many how many people end up being upstanding

548
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: citizens and contributing members of society that are like, yeah,

549
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: I killed somebody when I was twelve, Like it's it

550
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: doesn't happen.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's it happens, so like.

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00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that and that, and it's just like it's just sad,

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00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: Like you like to look at any ten year old

554
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: and just be like, they have the potential to do

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00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: anything great and just to think about that, it's just terrible.

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Speaker 3: Think about what just happened with the high school teacher

557
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: last week that got run over by accident. It's like

558
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: they did drop the charges on that kid, but like,

559
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Speaker 3: do you even if he goes on to have a

560
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: family and have that's totally diot and everything. I'm just saying,

561
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: like his whole life, he's going to think about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's like that's totally different because it was

563
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Speaker 2: an accident and he feels terrible about it. Like it's

564
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: just different when you're like doing it on purpose and

565
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Speaker 2: you don't feel terrible about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, it's just it honestly, Like I

567
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Speaker 3: just I just don't want to think about it if

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