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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of My Heart Radio. Hey

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dutton, do you know what's ridiculous? Yeah, okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: go ahead and tell me. I've been telling you about

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Speaker 1: ridiculous food products spinoffs from food and I can't stop

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Speaker 1: you and I can't stop finding them. So the latest

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Speaker 1: that is ridiculous is that Pepsi is putting out the

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Speaker 1: s'mores collection, the smartest collection for like scented, no taste.

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Speaker 1: It's like they're Pepsi there. There there's three flavors, toasty marshmallow,

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Speaker 1: Graham cracker, and chocolate, Pepsi soda, Pepsi soda, and so

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Speaker 1: you can like you know, like a tomato sauce. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what you're pushing over here. You never know, Honestly,

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Speaker 1: these days, I would not be surprised brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Pepsi. Right. So it's only in these mini cans,

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Speaker 1: and they're they're encouraging consumers to mix them up like

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Speaker 1: with cocktails, no like together, so like that you drink

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Speaker 1: some of the marsham, then you drink some of the

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Speaker 1: Graham cracker, and then you snort some of the chocolates

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Speaker 1: and you can like they have like different drink recipes

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Speaker 1: depending on the so um. They said, quote, s'mores is

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Speaker 1: one of the most unapologetically delicious treats that everyone likes

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Speaker 1: to enjoy in a different way. So on the last

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Speaker 1: day of summer, we had Pepsire thrilled to introduce an

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Speaker 1: entirely new way to smore it with your Pepsi Smores collection.

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Speaker 1: Tell me god, um, two thousand lucky people were able

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Speaker 1: to win the drink without buying it, And I think

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Speaker 1: that just means they put it on your front porch

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Speaker 1: and ran away like a flaming YouTube put their record

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Speaker 1: on iPhone. By the way, check your phone, it's still there. Yeah. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: one of the things that this made me think of

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Speaker 1: is that you once told me about an experience you

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Speaker 1: had with s'mores ice cream. Oh my god, Oh my god. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it's like one of those fancy ice cream places, right,

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Speaker 1: So they're like, yes, we've infused this with the sweat

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, and this one, Like, what's this flavor? They're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: was like, alright, bet I'll try that. You can't mess

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Speaker 1: up chocolate and graham cracker and vanilla, and I ate it.

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Speaker 1: They messed up chocolate and graham cracker and vanilla. It

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Speaker 1: tasted like smoke. It tasted like if somebody had just

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Speaker 1: it was horrendous. I took it back to the person

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Speaker 1: right back like I did like two bites and was like,

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Speaker 1: what is this? This wrong? Is its poison? What do

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Speaker 1: you did? You sell this to people? And they were like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then they gave me some other like ice cream,

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Speaker 1: They like we would trying this. I was like, no,

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Speaker 1: it's just like made with liquid smoke. It was. It

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Speaker 1: was horrendous. It tasted like like a New Jersey like

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Speaker 1: you know those places where they make flavors that go

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Speaker 1: like a bad rainstorm, that's what it tasted like. I

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Speaker 1: like how every time something doesn't taste good, you say

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Speaker 1: it comes from a New Jersey chemical plant of some sorty, Well,

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Speaker 1: blame the city of new Work that's not fair. I

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Speaker 1: Newark and said, you know what a to them. It's good.

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Speaker 1: what's ridiculous? You know what I'm what is ridiculous? So

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Speaker 1: as I was saying, my my pop, he's from New Jersey, right,

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Speaker 1: Look at that. I know. This is the kind of

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Speaker 1: story that my grandmam and my dad when I was

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Speaker 1: like New Jersey stories of like some mobster getting busted.

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Speaker 1: in the newspaper and they would have like favorite mobsters.

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Speaker 1: And so this story is the tale of a mob

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Speaker 1: affiliated New Jersey state senator who was also an undercover

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Speaker 1: of opening a chain of scuba diving schools. Nice. This

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Speaker 1: is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers

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Speaker 1: and cons. It's oh murder free and ridiculous Elizabeth. My

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Speaker 1: man's name that I'm gonna tell you the story of

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Speaker 1: today is David Joel Friedland. David Joel Friedlands, write that down.

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Speaker 1: There would be a quiz at the end. He was

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Speaker 1: a brilliant mind, a sensitive soul, a cunning opponent, a

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Speaker 1: would have liked him when he was young. I bet

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Speaker 1: he was. He was a published poet. He studied under

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Speaker 1: Robert Frost. Dang, yeah, I mean it was like legit, legit,

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Speaker 1: and uh, and then he decided to take the road

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Speaker 1: The New Jersey tale to be told for all times. Now.

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Speaker 1: He followed in his father's footsteps and he became a

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Speaker 1: Now in office, dude starts out, young, idealistic democrat in

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Speaker 1: He rides his success in nineteen sixty six to election,

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Speaker 1: he has this quick, relentless mind. The guy is super fast.

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Speaker 1: You tell him something, he's gonna remember it, right. And

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Speaker 1: he's always looking for angles because his father, a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: it's new it's South New Jersey, and uh, you know

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Speaker 1: six months. Right, Well, he doesn't lose his seat in

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Speaker 1: He's he's disbarkedstill, he's suspended, not disbark that's not permanence

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Speaker 1: for six months suspension. Right now, a couple of years past,

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Speaker 1: it's nineteen seventy and David Friedland at this point is

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Speaker 1: the wall personality. He's inconsistent at home and this was

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Speaker 1: So there he is, right, it's nine seventy. Don't talk

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Speaker 1: come on with the kids, Come on, I got a

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Speaker 1: headful acid right now. So we're starting out the seventies.

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Speaker 1: Is David Friedland, you are a disgraced lawyer, a state

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Speaker 1: York and New Jersey, a great career path, right, so

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Speaker 1: stuck on the LSD. I'm so sorry that just like

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Speaker 1: I would so imagine him just being all, you know,

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Speaker 1: Was he in micro dozing? No, he's full on me

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Speaker 1: This is so weird. Okay, Yeah, well, you know, so

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Speaker 1: the divorce. It's now nineteen seventy seven, right, So New

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Speaker 1: cronies will take in a steep cut, right, So he

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Speaker 1: all the shady teamster deals of about four million dollars

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Speaker 1: was the principal loan amount. David Friedland goes down and

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Speaker 1: argues he's innocent. He will be exonerated right now. The

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Speaker 1: But he tells everybody at the Teamsters local, man, you

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Speaker 1: weight me down water suntime two weeks. Yeah, that's solid.

421
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I could believe it. I think you would

422
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 1: probably fool the FBI. But now it's now I'm screwed.

423
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: Now it's public. I got to find another way to

424
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: do it. The problem with this, and as you will

425
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: see from David Friedland's attempt, is the unexpected. That's always

426
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: the problem, right. So what you didn't see what you

427
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: were scuba diving was Freedland his new boat that he

428
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: piloted away with the Bohemian man. That guy didn't bring

429
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: enough gas, so the boat ran out of gas in

430
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: the Caribbean. Not an unknown that's just an improper plan. Well,

431
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: he didn't know that the guy he hired was yeah

432
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: the guy, yeah, okay, that's what I made me unknown.

433
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: So he has to swim to shore, so he does

434
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: like a mile swim into shore. He then has to

435
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: climb out of the reef, and I'm muchure you've ever

436
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: climbed out of reef. But he tore up his feet

437
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: and then he leaves bloody footprints on the white sand

438
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: beach going up as he steps out of the surf.

439
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: He walks until he finds a road, So there's bloody

440
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: footprints from the beach to the sand right up to

441
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: the road. Then they stop wherever he got a car

442
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: and hitchhiked. But this doesn't matter because he makes it

443
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: to the airport in Grand Bahamas. He catches his six

444
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: pm flight with just one gooch e bag. He flies

445
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: to London, and he took very little with him and

446
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: I quote, I took a couple of my father's belts

447
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: to keep my pants up, and I wanted something to his.

448
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: I took a wrist bracelet I got on my bomb, mitzvah.

449
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: So what does he decided to do next? He's like

450
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: on the plane, wet in short short wrist breaking and

451
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: ye and bleeding feet. I love him. He kind of

452
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: died so many times between jumping off the boat exactly,

453
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: I thought you'd appreciate him. So what he decided to

454
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: do next was all based on what the government had

455
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: taught him to do, because the government had taught him

456
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: how to disappear completely, right, because years earlier, when he

457
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: refused the government offered to enter the Federal Witness Protection

458
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: prog him because he don't want to give up his identity.

459
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: He's like, look, I'm David Friedland. I ain't give him

460
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: that up. So he stays David freed I don't cut

461
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: the off. He's gonna try to hit me. He knew

462
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: the mafia wasn't gonna hit him because he was still

463
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: working with the mafia. But anyway, I'm worried about mob reprisals.

464
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: The FBI agents teach him how to disappear completely. He

465
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: laid the groundwork. He was like, I will never not

466
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: have this name. I will never go under another name, exactly, Like,

467
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: help me tell all your friends and put it on

468
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: the Facebook. I would never someone like me. If I

469
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: did that, I would be dead. So he does that,

470
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: and he also was taught how to reappear as someone

471
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: new by the Feds as well, because they're like, you

472
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: got to do both that, David, Remember crime got three components. Yeah,

473
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: that's true. We always say David Friedland, being brilliant as

474
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: he was, he listening carefully the FBI, and he decided

475
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: to do exactly as instructed. So he goes and says,

476
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: you know what, I know, the FBI didn't expect me

477
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: to use this to run from them, but this is

478
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: kind of work for gangbusters. So the FBI essentially has

479
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: taught him how to evade them. So, Elizabeth, what exactly

480
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: did the FEDS teach him about how to do disappear?

481
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked in case you ever wanted your

482
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: wanted to or needed to know how to disappear completely.

483
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 1: Do you know how to create a second identity? How

484
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: to get your own passport a new passport? I think

485
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: it's harder now than it would have been years ago

486
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: because of all the digitals. They put a lot of

487
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: digitals in there, and what the holograms and the whatnot.

488
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: Don't you have to get You got to find out

489
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: about a kid who died before they get before they

490
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: get a Social Security and then you say I'm Timmy

491
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: and you apply for security number and then once you

492
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: get that, you go for the passport. Well there are

493
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: other ways, so like David Friedland, he didn't have time

494
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: for all that, so he just decided he would obtain

495
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: a legitimate Greek passport by going to one of his

496
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: dying constituents and going, give me your identity. Well there's

497
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: that too, so that's efficient. And I quote he was

498
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: in his last stages and his family needed the money.

499
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: So did they look like? I know, but I'll tell

500
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: you why. He goes and he leases this identity from

501
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: this dude, you own this st your goals, all right,

502
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: I am store goals. So to pull it off Friedland,

503
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: he goes to a US passport office. He says he

504
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: lost his passport. He hands over a photo of him,

505
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: and to prove who he said he was, he hands

506
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: over the army discharge paperwork for the dying Greek man.

507
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: You own his store, goes, and so he becomes you

508
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: own his story? Are they in age? Yeah? You know

509
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: close enough, Like the guy's got w W two and

510
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: he's just would fit. It would be like, yeah, you

511
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: weren't like you were released sir when you're fifty five

512
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: years old. He's yeah, so what so the FBI agents

513
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: now meanwhile, they don't know where he is, and they

514
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: don't know if he's actually died or actually disappeared. Because

515
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: people do die in scuba diving accidents. It happens, you know,

516
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: it happens often. But at the same time, I would

517
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: say it's everyone. Out of three times people of the

518
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: scuba diving they die. So you want to stand by

519
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: that one. You good with the math. It used to

520
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: be an insurance actually real agent hunt. Thirty three percent

521
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: of people who go scuba diving die. Yeah, that's why

522
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: people don't do it a lot anymore. I've never I've

523
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: never known anybody who's come back safely from scuba diver.

524
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: Everybody either blood coming out of their ears. I'm gonna

525
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna adjust my numbers on that. I'm gonna say

526
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: it's two thirds. I just I had this calculator really handy,

527
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: and I just it's sixty six percent of people who

528
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: scuba dive die. Well, he got lucky. He was in

529
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: the third that does not. And but the FBI, using

530
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: your numbers, were like, he may be most likely dead.

531
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: But at the same time, somebody who's facing a seven

532
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: year prison conviction and they go missing after a newly

533
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: discovered second round of charges that changes the metrics were using,

534
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: and so they're like, we think he'd run. He was

535
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: facing federal prison ever bet and he'd run. So the

536
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: f B I go, we should probably started investigating maybe,

537
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: and they look into it. Meanwhile, the Bahama Air Rescue Team,

538
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: they're performing two day sea and air searches are flying over.

539
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: They got boats around, they're looking for like any kind

540
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: of floating carcass on the skin of the ocean. They

541
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: do not find him right well, maybe did they find others?

542
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, hey, look this guy we're looking

543
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: for three weeks. I always feel bad for the searchers

544
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: in that because they're like hoping upon hope that they

545
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: can find someone alive or preparing themselves to see like

546
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: they're going to find a dead body. Yeah, and how

547
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: you know that's that's a rough thing to do. Plus

548
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: the job success limited resources, they're spending a lot of

549
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: money in person hours and gas and snacks, Like are

550
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: you kidding me? The snack budget on the search party.

551
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: Saron Burnett get out of here and they got the

552
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: boy scouts out there, who's bringing the orange slices for

553
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: the boys down to Costco and get the little individually

554
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: packed trail mix. And then someone's got to get box strength,

555
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: and someone's got to go to the supermarket and get

556
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: the generic, get all the soda to leaders. You've been

557
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: searching the logistics, Well, I'm kind of known for it.

558
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: I get called in from searches all over the world

559
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: to do this, this catering cater search parties. I mean

560
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: it depends on the venue. Like if there's a place

561
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: for me to like prepare hot food, then it's like

562
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: pigs and blankets hot and cold, you know, kebabs or

563
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: what have you, whatever it is on the go like

564
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: hand foods. He wants something that's portable, like a sandwich

565
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: or merito. Exactly. I understand you're good at this, am

566
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: the FBI. They could have really used your skills and talents. So,

567
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: because the FBI was big mad that some New Jersey

568
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: state legislator had played them and used the Bureau as

569
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: cover and was basically pulling off an even bigger criminal

570
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: conspiracy now that he was an active FBI informant, that

571
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: pissed them off a little, surprisingly, right, So meanwhile, the

572
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: Newark Federal judge was overseeing his original conviction. He was like,

573
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: so he's dead. Huh, Well, I don't know about that. Now.

574
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: He was going to give this guy Freedland leniency because

575
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: he'd been doing all this work with the FBI is

576
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: and original undercover informant. Well, this was all predicated on

577
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: him being an actual and informant and not being an

578
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: actual criminal. So the judge is like, well, I hear

579
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: that he's quote most likely deceased. Well, if this guy

580
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: shows up, I'll give him thirty days to resurrect himself

581
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: and you can come before the bench. So amen. Yeah,

582
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: totally total catholic. Apparently he's just really pulling for some

583
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: Lazarus move. So Freedland's absence is also a chance for

584
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: people to settle some old scores, such as David Friedland's

585
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: best friend, Mayor Wally Lindsley. He comes out and he

586
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: has his lawyer, because you know, his lawyer is the

587
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: one who wants to talk to the press these days.

588
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: His lawyers like, hey, yeah, you wanna talk about David's disappearance.

589
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: I haven't had some information about that. He says that

590
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: back in the day, Mayor Wally told him that the

591
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: headline Hungary New Jersey Press would love this little tidbit,

592
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: he said, and I quote, David Freedlan allegedly told an

593
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: acquaintance that he was planning to stage a scuba diving

594
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: accident to avoid serving time in prison. He blew it,

595
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: you just have to talk about what you're gonna go do,

596
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: not that. Mayor Wally gets like he's like, I touched

597
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: you back, didn't I. And then meanwhile while he's like, well,

598
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: he's dead, so I knew he wanted me to have.

599
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: And he's going through his house like taking all this stuff.

600
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: He's gone. You know, he wants me to have this

601
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: portion he promised. So they asked the attorney like, don't

602
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: you think he could be dead? And the attorneys like,

603
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: I didn't quote. I don't think a moment Friedland is dead.

604
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: There's not a doubt in my mind that he is alive,

605
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: sitting on a beach someplace or in Switzerland some place,

606
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: laughing about the whole thing. So he's like basically rattling

607
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: the FBI like you want to go try these spots.

608
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: He's pulling the old bum FARTO. It turns out he

609
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: wasn't far from the truth at all the bumfarto disappearance

610
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: energy of like hey, I was here, now I'm not.

611
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: He actually pulls it off and h he as Iona

612
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: steor goes he manages. He also, by the way, has

613
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: a third travel passport, which is a Costa Rican passport.

614
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 1: He got on some business deal. He's like, hey, how

615
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: about a passport, and so he gets the passport ways

616
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: in Costa Rica. And the name for that passport is

617
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: Richard Smith Harley like like like a motorcycle Dick Harley. Yeah,

618
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: he's Dick Harley. So as Dick Harley. He travels from

619
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: the Bahamas to London, and once he's overseas, he hides

620
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: out in a luxurious Spanish resort. Can't you imagine the

621
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: Spaniards Bronto Dick Harley coming Dick Harley. They meet up

622
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: with a woman says surecan national. Yeah, it was described

623
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: as quite a shapely blonde underwater photographer. Shapely is such

624
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: a good like so she wears a titty So the

625
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: Shapeley underwater photographer. Her name, by the way, she's his mistress.

626
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: Her name is Collette. Go lightly stop stop. So first

627
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: we pulled the card that was the waterfront development. Yes,

628
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, oh, I'm dealing out my card

629
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: for this story. Oh collecte go Lightly. And by the way,

630
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: that's her real name, or so she claims. You know,

631
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: she talks always be yes. You have to understand that

632
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: this this couple. They met while she was at a

633
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: scuba diving vacation in the Bahamas, and the two immediately

634
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: hit it off. And I quote from the Philadelphia Inquirer's

635
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: coverage at the time, go Lightly had becomes so infatuated

636
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: by the Globe New Jersey lawyer that she left her

637
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: husband and Indiana I doctor and her children to be

638
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: with Freed. Even though Friedland remained married to his third wife.

639
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: Carol Lightly has her own moral fluidity, and so she

640
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: and Dick Hartley are bouncing around the Spanish resort starting

641
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: the new criminal lives together. And after this short break,

642
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: I'll be back to tell you how all of this

643
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: goes horribly wrong, of course, okay, Elizabeth, last we left

644
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: David Friedland and his mistress, Collette go Lightly. They were

645
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: on the run, and uh, where do you think that

646
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: they decided to take their criminal road trip? So they

647
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: were in what Europe at the time, started the Spanish resort,

648
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: They go to London and then they go down to

649
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: Spain to meet up. So at this point in Spain,

650
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: where do they go? I think they like the tropical

651
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: Southeast Asia. That's a good guess, really good guess. No,

652
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: they go to Africa. All right, they pulled like a

653
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: whole out of Africa. But instead of Meryl Streep, it's

654
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: a New Jersey politician. So now they're like short shorts

655
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: and pits helmets exactly. So while they're in Kenya, can

656
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: you guess what they did? Safari? They went they found

657
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: Diane Fosse guerrillas. Then they have a court quote, watched

658
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: a hippo give birth and a river. They just had

659
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: one beautiful moment after They're like an Instagram couple before Instagram.

660
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: So then after this they bounced around Central and East

661
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: Africa for a while, and then they stopped at the

662
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: hotel the Norfolk and that Robi Kenya and the Norfolk

663
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: Hotel was like one of those luxury hotels for ex

664
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: pats and rich Kenyans who have decided to betray their

665
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: people and so freelance like I need to get a

666
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: new line of work. I'm running out of like you know,

667
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: spending money quick. So he invested in an African safari

668
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: guide business, and he's like, this would be good for me,

669
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: and this is gonna be a good way to make

670
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: easy money off of fat cats, right, But he has

671
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: to walk away from this investment after one of the

672
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: desk clerks tips them off that the Interpol is on

673
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: their way to come bust him, So he walks away

674
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: from the safari guy deal like Robert de Niro and Heat,

675
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: and he's like out at the door, by the way, Heat,

676
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: do you like that movie? Love that? Alright? Val Kilmer,

677
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: right that that pontytail. Sometimes it comes to me in

678
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: like weak moments. I'm just like at that ponytail in

679
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: a good way, just like in a humorous way, like

680
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: I need a laugh, and I'm just it's like imagining

681
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: the three children dressed in a trench coat and they're

682
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: pretending to be a human being. That's like somebody pretending

683
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: to be stylish criminals. Just funny to me. I don't

684
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: know why. It's like, come on, do you think that

685
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: criminals look like the low pony? Always like yeah, but

686
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: then like sometimes he just takes it down totally exactly. Yeah. Anyway,

687
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: can you imagine if his name was al Kilmer. He

688
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: had that same ponytail. He's like, I'm al Kilmer anyway.

689
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: So at some point my man Dick hardly let go lightly.

690
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: They decide, you know what, we need to leave Africa.

691
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: They go back to Europe and they're in Harris now

692
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: because interpols are looking for them, so because who would

693
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: think that they would do that. So they go to

694
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: the French Alps and so they're hanging out in the

695
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: Frenchise to Paris, and they go to the Frenchise because

696
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: they're like, well, Paris is kind of hot. They fly

697
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: back to Paris to the French Alps, so many costume changes,

698
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: so you get ready for this girl. So while they're

699
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: they're all they're in the French Alps, they get made

700
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: by the French police. The French police are like, oh,

701
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: that's that guy the Americans are looking for, right, But

702
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: the gendarme don't do anything because France, the U S.

703
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: Marshals and the FBI. They get really frustrated and there's

704
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: like reports in the newspapers at the time they're saying

705
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: that that the gendarmes did nothing to try to nab

706
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: him in the French Alps, and they were really frustrated

707
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: that we don't understand why they did nothing, Like what

708
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: the hell? They rarely will say stuff like this press,

709
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: but they're going off like he was flagged in the

710
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: Interpol red notice. They knew who he was, and the

711
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 1: French authorities were like, yeah, we knew we were staying

712
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: like in the grand scheme of things. But the great

713
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: part is is dude is so committed to his like

714
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: I'm Robert de Niro and heat that he when he's

715
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: in the Alps, David Friedland rented a chalet on the

716
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: mountain that was right by the border, so close to

717
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: the border that if he needed to in a moment's notice,

718
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: he could ski out of his chalet and cross the border.

719
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: He coming up to his door oh and five bucks

720
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: because he was wearing a red ski jumpsuit. So how

721
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: did he pay for all this? I'm glad you asked.

722
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: So it turns out corruption as an elected New Jersey

723
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: official does pay well. Apparently on the day to day level.

724
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: It's hard because you can only take ten thousand dollars

725
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: in a flight out of the country, so he couldn't

726
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: leave with much, so he's having to get money sent

727
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: to him. So he has money and banks stashed all

728
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: over the world. Turns out one of his father's friends

729
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: part of this, like you know, smoky criminal network. So

730
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I'll take care of your boys. So

731
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: he started sending him five thousand dollars to whatever bank

732
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: account he ever suggests he's extended to this bank, this account,

733
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: he is, okay, does it. So that's pretty much how

734
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: he's paid for his life right now. Meanwhile, as early

735
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: as five and he disappears in eighty five, right, that's

736
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: when he decides to disappear. That same year, he calls

737
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: up his friends and families and like, hey, I'm not dead. Like, oh, David,

738
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: he didn't think he's dead. He faked his death and

739
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: decides that a few months to unfake his death. So

740
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: he calls all his families and friends and starts letting

741
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: him know, Hey, I may call you and need some help.

742
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: All by the way, I'm not dead, but keep pretending, Like,

743
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: can you imagine if you thought her friend was dead

744
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: and they called you, Oh my god, I would legit

745
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: lose it, be angry, I think to do yeah, and

746
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: then I yeah, it would be it would be wonderful though.

747
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: All right, we'll flip it. If you had to contact

748
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: somebody and you've been faking your death, how would you

749
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: do it? Why would I contact anything? Good? Answer you,

750
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: Dick Harley and collect go lightly. They're doing well on

751
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: the road. They're in their French shell a ready to

752
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: like bust out like heat. And they decided to have

753
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: her daughter fly over to Europe and spend Christmas with him.

754
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: Oh god, because they just don't give a flying f

755
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: So there's just one other time in April, around nine

756
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: six maybe May, they're not exactly certain. But David Friedland,

757
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: he gets away from Interpol and all these people looking

758
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: for him on pure dumb look and also international events

759
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 1: because those also seemed to work for him. Six yeah,

760
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: eighty six. The U S agents they catch a solid

761
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: tip that David Friedland has arranged to have his furniture

762
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: in Kenya sent to Colombo, Sri Lanka. And if you

763
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: know eight six Sri Lanka. Boom so as the U

764
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: S Marshal who was the head of the service's Most

765
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: Wanted program recalled what stymied the part was the revolution

766
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: in Sri Lanka. So get to Sri Lanka in time

767
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: for revolution. They're looking for like one white dude. They're like, hey,

768
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: you just signed this guy, David Friedland. There like a

769
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: little busy here. Yeah, sorry, we got all sorts of

770
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: NGO people I don't know looks for them. So the

771
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: future Supreme Court justice would later come to the same

772
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: conclusion that David Friedland is kind of hard to find.

773
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: At the time though, he was still a U S

774
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: attorney and I quote, we've been one step behind him

775
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: for a long time. Samuel Alito, Wow, he was on

776
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: the case back then. Also, so was Michael chertof. There

777
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: was a bunch of names, you know. Yeah, So Dick

778
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: Hartley a k. David Friedland. He manages to stay free

779
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: and wild until two days before Christmas seven? And what

780
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: happened before Christmas nine seven? How did he get popped?

781
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: How can a man so smart and so gifted with

782
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: dumb luck every get caught? Elizabeth and John Blank, he

783
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: and collect go lightly decided to resettle in the Maldives.

784
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: And that's a very specific place. It's one of the

785
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: most beautiful locations on Earth. I've never been there. I've

786
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: seen photos of always under looks like a great life, right,

787
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: So he's living there, he's building a beach house, it's

788
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: scheduled to be done with construction on New Year's Day.

789
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: It's like real close. And he's got like a luxury

790
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: releast for six Sri Lankas. That means he's got air conditioning, refrigerator,

791
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: TV and a VCR to go to the local video

792
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: store and constantly rent his favorite Star Wars movies. Yeah,

793
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: that's pretty god. So then by the way, he's like

794
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: laying low, he's not really dressing like a rich man.

795
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: Neither is collet Go lightly. He's acting somewhat out of

796
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: habitual behaviors, acting like an actual wealthy person for the

797
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: most para. But he has like these little tiny luxuries

798
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: that do make him stand out. So like every morning

799
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: he go to this hotel restaurant, he'd have a peanut

800
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: butter sandwich made with peanut butter, jam butter and sliced banana.

801
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: People have always did that. So he do things it

802
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: sticks out in memory, which is not something you really

803
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: want to do anyway. He would also tell anyone who

804
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: would listen to he was a lawyer from America, even

805
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: though everybody knew what he was from Costa Rica according

806
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: to his passport. So there was that. Then there was also, well,

807
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: how did he get caught, Elizabeth, what's just skip right?

808
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: The truth is, I think he wanted to get caught

809
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: because here, let me flush out my theory. He starts

810
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: doing local television, right, so, because he's a he's an

811
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: old politician, so he's got that love of the camera,

812
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: and he's in the Maldi's not like a big place,

813
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: but it's like somewhere he would stand out. So he

814
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: starts doing local TV. He just you know, he can't

815
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: help it. And then he also, like the Navy U. S.

816
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: Navy when you say doing local TV, he's got his

817
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: scuba school. And so he starts doing ads. He starts

818
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: taking their weatheration ceremonies, he starts doing like things politicians

819
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: of the graduation. He's like making sure that he's on

820
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: TV often and like who he's coming up for reasons

821
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: like how we're gonna have a great weekend down here

822
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: at the hotel, you guys anytime you can't. Yeah. So anyway,

823
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: and this is the American Dick Harley supposed to be

824
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: hum alone. And uh, also, I'm not sure if you

825
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: know this, but in the Indian Ocean we have a

826
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: big U. S. Navy presence and they stopping the Maldis

827
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 1: as for port of call, and so US Navy ships

828
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: will be there. He would go down to the U. S.

829
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: Navy ships and go onto the ship and glad hand

830
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: with the sailors and talk to them. This man was

831
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: internationally famous on newspapers just three years prior. Any one

832
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: of them could have recognized him. He's like, I'm gonna

833
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: take my chances. I just want to go talk to

834
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: the boys. Always politetician instincts, they just leap out. Yeah.

835
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: So then comes the shark postcard. No, the shark postcard,

836
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked is something he did to popularize

837
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 1: his scuba diving school. The guy who'd owned it before

838
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: him took some picture of him feeding sharks and the

839
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: sharks are in a frenzy and it's very like, you know,

840
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: like look at me putting my hand him at the

841
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: sharks and like I'm on like a very low dock

842
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: and it's so dangerous. But if you come to my

843
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: scuba school, you have adventures like this that kind of

844
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: So he goes and wants to do this. So he

845
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: and some American friend they go down they post for

846
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: this photo. Photo comes out gangbusters. They decided to turn

847
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 1: it into a postcard. The locals love it. They turned

848
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: into a post and starts selling it in all the

849
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: hotels for all the tourists. So there he is how

850
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: to rack just his face for anybody to recognize. Luckily,

851
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: for him, none of this kitchen him. Well, I mean,

852
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: the thing is, it's like, you don't now I'm going

853
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: to have to go look at all the tourist postcards

854
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: I see. You don't you don't expect that kind of thing, Like,

855
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: and I don't think you knew him. But if you

856
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: knew him, but all his friends know he's still alive

857
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: and so like. But if you're just a new Jersey tourist,

858
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: you're not going to recognize that this guy, he's like

859
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: a few years out of faking his own. You're not

860
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: thinking about those things. You're you know, you're swept up

861
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: in the romance of the Maltieves Sarah Swimmers, and you're

862
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: just sunburned, lovely everywhere. I'm feeling beautiful. You're full of cocktails, meats,

863
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: and you're just like, yeah, you look at it. You

864
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: don't see the faces on any Okay, fair enough. That

865
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: may be exactly because he doesn't get caught for a

866
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: long time. Some people speculated as a business rival who

867
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: decided to drop dime on him because he was growing

868
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: so fast. He'd gotten a new contract to open up

869
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: a couple more scuba schools. He was now going to

870
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: franchise to school schools an incomer he's recent there got

871
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,959
Speaker 1: three schools. Is this guy? How did he get this money?

872
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: And how can I destroy him? If rival youths and

873
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: so some of other people suggest that there was a

874
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: bank employee who was he had always the regularity as

875
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: he was using different passports. They're like, wait a minute.

876
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: So anyway, they tell them all Devon police and all

877
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: diving police. This dude's tinky is all hell right, So

878
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: they come and they show up at his cottage and

879
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: they're like, hey man, we've been hearing some stuff about you.

880
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: Can we see your passport? They take his Coast to

881
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: Rican passport. They're like, thanks, Dick Harley. And now he

882
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: assumed it's about a mistake in identity, because if you

883
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: can believe it, they're turned out to be at the

884
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: exact same time on the island. Another man named Richard

885
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: Smith Harley out the E, who was a British mercenary.

886
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: He was getting in bar fights, and he's assumed that

887
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: that's who they were looking for, this British hard man.

888
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not that Richard Harley. I'm this Dick Harley.

889
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, no, you're the one we're looking for.

890
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: And he's like okay. So then the local police they

891
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: come back after like a day or so, and then

892
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: they arrest him, right and they would get They go, hey, man,

893
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: your your passport is kind of weird and it's like,

894
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. They're like, well, we noticed

895
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: you have stamps from from the Maldives coming in and

896
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: out of the Maldives, but you don't have stamps from

897
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: a single other country. He's like about that. Yeah, well,

898
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: and I swear to God this he tells him. I

899
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: didn't want the pages filled up with stamps, and I

900
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: would ask them not to stamp the pages and they're

901
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: like that's that's impossible. Yeah, that doesn't sid my passport.

902
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: So they arrest him. So then this costco and they

903
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: searched his place and they discover another passport I am.

904
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: Story goes, yeah, so you own a store Ghosts and

905
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: Richard Smith hardly have pictures on their passports, so the

906
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: exact same guy. So I am Star Ghosts and I

907
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: am Dick Harley. I have now fused in the minds

908
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: of the prosecutors. And then they go and they look

909
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: up in him and like their computers and they go

910
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: on the Interpol database and boom up pops a picture

911
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: of David Friedland and this whole Interpol red notice and

912
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: he's a New Jersey politician, a lawyer on the run

913
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: from America. And that's where like, we should contact the US.

914
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: So they contact the US and if you can believe it,

915
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: back against the wall David Friedland. He's like, I got

916
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: a card to play. So he goes to then he goes, hey, cops, uh,

917
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: I know this is I lied to you. Let's get

918
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: past that. I was scared. I would like to ask

919
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: for political sanctuary, so if I could talk to the president.

920
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: And they're like, what do you mean, why would you

921
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: get political sanctuary. He's like, I'm a Muslim. Now, like

922
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: what because the majority of majority religion on the island

923
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: was Islam. So he's like, yeah, I converted to Islam.

924
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: And they're like, where, which can you tell us what's mosque?

925
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: And I have no evidence. Can you tell us anything

926
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: about it? Can you tell us any tenant of the faith.

927
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: He's like, Islam, Islam Allah. He's like, they're like, okay,

928
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: well when did you convert. He's like, well a little

929
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: while ago, And they're like where. I don't know, it

930
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I have no evidence, you know, but once

931
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: I was converted, they told me all was forgiven. So

932
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: I'd like to stay like, that's not how any of

933
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: this was. So then he tells them, and also later

934
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: on in court he says this exact same story. He said,

935
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: I had a really weird experience, and I quote, I

936
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: had talked myself into it about being being Muslim. He's like,

937
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: I had talked myself into it. I saw a white

938
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: robed figure, wasn't sure if it was Abraham or Mohammed.

939
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: I saw the figure sitting down and he was beckoning

940
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: to me. So he has like some hallucination, like his

941
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: wife's accused him of happening as this acid flashback of

942
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: like Mohammed Abraham visiting. I mean, he decides I'm a Muslim,

943
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: and that's not how that works. So they're like, that's

944
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: not how you become a Muslim. Serd He's like, oh,

945
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: now it's I'm a Muslim. So now did fruans like okay,

946
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: looks like I'm going to prison, but I have given

947
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: my word I will never go to prison again. So

948
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: he's like, I got one more Hail Mary card? What

949
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: do you think is say? What would be your Hail

950
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: Mary card? At this point, I'll give you a hint.

951
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: He turns to a world leader and asked for help.

952
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: Who do you go to in nineteen eighties for world help?

953
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: Good guess, Momr Kdofi. According to the Phildelphia inquired, we're

954
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: just thinking like, who can't help me? Another one? And

955
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: I quote describing himself as an American leader of a

956
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: government of six million people a k New Jersey. Yes.

957
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: The Libyan leader Momar Kadafi be notified that Friedland wanted

958
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: to quote discuss certain matters concerning foreign policy, specifically the

959
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: embarrassment the Maldivian government would experience if it deported a

960
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: newly converted Muslim. Do you appeal to Momar Kadafi for

961
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: religious protection and sanctions? Reads the telegram and looks at

962
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: his like Amazon warrior women guarding him as like, what

963
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: do you think? Ladies started laughing. An arrow through it,

964
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: the falcon carries it into the sky. So at this

965
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: point he's like, Okay, that's probably a go nowhere move.

966
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: So Friedland confesses later on in court and back in America.

967
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: I know it sounds ridiculous, but what else did I have?

968
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: I had no foreign secrets to divulge there. These were

969
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: the acts of a desperate, frightened man, clutching his every

970
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: last straw. He's like, I couldn't sell out my country.

971
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything. I would if I had anything.

972
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: So the mal Devon police and the next morning they

973
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: tell him like, hey, man, here, get washed up. They

974
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: bring up some toiletrees, he shaves, he bays, he prepares

975
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: for transport back to the US, and he's all nervous

976
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: about it. And the day after Christmas, Freedland gets brought

977
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: into the small meeting room. He's got a fresh shave,

978
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: got washed hair, and they're waiting for him or two U. S.

979
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: Marshals and a federal investigator, investigator you know, some you know,

980
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: administrator type. He looks at the most wanted fugitive on

981
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: their list and he says, good morning, David, We've come

982
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: to take you back to the United States. Freedland nearly collapses.

983
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: He turns whiter than white, they say, the people who

984
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: witnessed it, the cops, They're like he was bleached of

985
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: all color. He started out white, but he was he

986
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: just falls into himself. Now. He rives back in America

987
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: at JFK Airport in New York on December seven. Right,

988
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: he's gazing out at his former country, and Freedland tells

989
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: the U S Marshals, it's good to be back in

990
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: the US. A little while later, he tells another marshal,

991
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: I was just tired of running now after this is

992
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: to my theory. Now. After his capture, Friedland said, I

993
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: felt quite comfortable there. My behavior wasn't consistent, though sometimes

994
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: I think this is great. I'm running this medical client

995
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: and scuba diving, and then I'd started thinking about what

996
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: I was doing overall, hair I am pretending to be

997
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: somebody else. All that would begin to eat at me.

998
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: There were times that would. It did bother me quite

999
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: a bit. But what was difficult was the inner sense

1000
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: of loss of identity, of not being myself. For him,

1001
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: that was worse than prison. That's interesting. Right now, back

1002
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: in America, he still had to stand trial for the

1003
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: defrauding the teams. There's Local seven or one of the

1004
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars in the pension fund. And in court

1005
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: at one point he's like, you know, he's swinging for

1006
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: the fences, as he often does. He's quoting from the

1007
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: Book of Job, talking about how he's God's own personal joke,

1008
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: the subject of a bet between God and the devil.

1009
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: He's like, look at my cursed faith. Oh yeah, he's

1010
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: talking about how his father raised him not to have

1011
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: any morals and this is not my fault right now,

1012
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: regardless of his theological status. Is God's personal joke. Freedland,

1013
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: he gets tried and convicted, sentenced to an additional fifteen years,

1014
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: and the judge's kind lets his seven years prior uncongruent

1015
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: so he won't have to do any extra time. But

1016
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: he's not done for his last this last last get

1017
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: out of jail free card play. He's got one more,

1018
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: so he goes while he's still out free, he goes

1019
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: to the d A and he tries to cut a

1020
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: side deal. You know, he said. He claims to the

1021
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: DA that he knew about the connection between international terrorism

1022
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: and drug trafficking, and he tells the d A, I

1023
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: can help you find and recover stolen Stinger missiles hidden

1024
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. This is like, yeah, like Rambo three Muadim time. Right.

1025
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: So Freedland trades info that he has apparently I got

1026
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: he got from talking to Momarktafi. I don't know where

1027
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: he comes in information, but he trades this info and

1028
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: he tells the d A where to find Stinger missiles

1029
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: and they find them in Afghanistan. He tries to get

1030
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: to reduce sentence, so he gets eight years in federal

1031
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: prison and then he's finally released. Quite the life of

1032
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: Ye he just passed away for real this earlier this

1033
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: year in April. Myfe of David FRIEDL Wow, are you

1034
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: sure he really did? I know? Raises an eyebrow. What's

1035
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: a ridiculous takeaway? Elizabeth. I'm I'm stuck on that last

1036
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: bit where you talking about how he thought it was

1037
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: worse than jail to give up his true self. And

1038
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: it's like this guy. The ego on this guy. That's

1039
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: interesting you say ego because I'm just saying he had.

1040
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: You can see his behavior throughout where he has these

1041
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: things that are very close to his public identity of

1042
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: I need to go glad hand on a carrier. I

1043
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: need to, you know, schmooz around. Yeah, has to be

1044
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: in the public eye and a lot. He's getting energy

1045
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 1: and he's getting validation, starts returning to his self. Yeah,

1046
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: And so the idea that he couldn't do that, I

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Speaker 1: have a problem, just like having to be someone totally different.

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Speaker 1: But what if it being somebody totally different denied you

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Speaker 1: all the things that you know that give you pleasure,

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Speaker 1: Because for him, that's what pleasure. But you know what

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Speaker 1: life is suffering. I'm you still getting denied pleasure, a

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Speaker 1: real sense of like not just pleasure like a little

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Speaker 1: joy or a little luxury or a little nice moment,

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Speaker 1: but I mean pleasure as in, like, imagine if food

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Speaker 1: no longer tasted like I I just you know, the

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Speaker 1: idea of that's worse than jail. Like I think there

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Speaker 1: are other ways to reformulate yourself so that you can

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Speaker 1: get that little bit, but not to the degree. So

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Speaker 1: he could be involved in his community like an actual

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Speaker 1: politician is supposed to be. Yeah, but you're talking now,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about like in theory, people becoming bigger and

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Speaker 1: better version of themselves. I want everyone to fake their

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Speaker 1: death and become a better person. That's my ridiculous I

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Speaker 1: find interesting, Thank you for asking, Elizabeth, is that how

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Speaker 1: can anytime the most beautiful place on earth into your

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Speaker 1: to live happily there because of the guilt he feels

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Speaker 1: in the sha he says, yeah, exactly, He's the curse

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Speaker 1: of job. So David Friedland cannot run Guilden shame, nor

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Speaker 1: can he forget his desire to hear his real name

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Speaker 1: and all that. You know what you're talking about, the

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Speaker 1: glad handing. So he'd rather be a prisoner than be

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Speaker 1: an unknown man in paradise. But he also said that

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Speaker 1: before ever having done time. Right, No, he I mean like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you need I think some of us

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Speaker 1: can imagine prison without having to be there. I don't

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Speaker 1: know well, as Sammy Davis Jr. Once sang Elizabeth, whether

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Speaker 1: I'm right or whether I'm wrong, whether you find a

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Speaker 1: place in this world, We'll never be long. Let it out,

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Speaker 1: let it out. I gotta be me, I gotta be me.

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Speaker 1: What else can I be? But what I I Gotta

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Speaker 1: be Me? That was beautiful. I would say that I

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Speaker 1: Gotta Be Me is the unofficial theme song, human Like.

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Speaker 1: That's all of our song anyway. Thanks for I'm Azaron

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Speaker 1: Burnett over there. That's Elizabeth Dutton right here. You can

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Speaker 1: find us online at Ridiculous Crime. That's on Twitter and

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. On Twitter we do games. On the weekend

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Speaker 1: there's puzzles, and on Instagram we always post photos of

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Speaker 1: these people, these crimes, these places, so it really helps

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Speaker 1: you if you want to see what it actually looks like. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you have a crime that you'd like to share

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Speaker 1: with us, please do email us. But don't snitch on

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Speaker 1: your family, all right. That is Ridiculous Crime at gmail

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Speaker 1: her and me, Zara and Burnett, produced and edited by

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Speaker 1: Travis call me Dick. Harley Dutton executive producers are Ben's

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Speaker 1: number three on the US Marshall's Most Wanted List, Bolan

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Speaker 1: and no No, I've never heard of Noel Brown Crown

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